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EPISODE 9: Jessica McCarty
What happens when a mother's mental health struggles lead her down a path of unimaginable tragedy? We explore the heart-wrenching story of Jessica McCarty, whose battle with postpartum depression and bipolar disorder culminated in a devastating loss. Through candid conversations and personal anecdotes, we aim to shed light on the importance of mental health awareness, particularly for mothers. The episode underscores the need for support systems that can prevent such tragedies, spotlighting the fragile balance of mental well-being.
Our journey doesn't end with tragedy, though. We also celebrate the resilience found in music and creativity, discussing how these elements can be a lifeline during tough times. From recounting nights at local Mexican restaurants to the joy of discovering new bands, we share the stories that inspire us. This episode features a special segment on the power of music, including a shout-out to Entundra and their cover of Fleetwood Mac's "Dreams," emphasizing the significance of supporting local talent and the joy it brings to both creators and listeners.
We wrap up with some lighthearted musings on Christmas music, offering a humorous critique of holiday favorites and sharing fond memories of Trans-Siberian Orchestra performances. Through a blend of serious and uplifting topics, this episode reveals the intertwined threads of tragedy, resilience, and creativity, highlighting why mental health awareness matters and the joy that music and creativity can bring. Join us for a mix of sobering realities and delightful escapes, as we navigate the complex tapestry of human emotion.
Hey, Jesse.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello, hey, lindsay, what you drinking? I have a White Claw over here in three shots. Yes, you do. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You got them lined up in Gainesville Ripper shot glass that we got from Spookalla, cheers shot glass and Margaritaville shot glass. We will cover the Gainesville Ripper in the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's kind of why I put that St Augustine distillery in three different shot glasses. We can talk about at least one of them, just a little bit like kind of give you a heads up to something that's coming up here in a little bit, which not a lot of people know about, but it's amazing, and for some reason he's holding a scream mask well, because that's what scream was based off of, oh yeah, history. So um yeah, what are you drinking? Tell me.
Speaker 1:So you got me this uh martini kit of holiday flavors and I picked the candy cane flavor today. It's not great.
Speaker 2:It's not that good no. I try, I try, you did it tastes nothing like a candy cane. Really.
Speaker 1:Oh, did I even get the right one, is it? I didn't. I didn't get the right one, is it? I didn't, I didn't get the right one. Which one did I get? Lens hold on. I'm gonna look real quick. I don't know what I got lindsey pauls for the calls.
Speaker 2:as she looks, this is sour apple. It's gingerbread, gingerbread, so's gingerbread, gingerbread, so think gingerbread. Then take another drink. We need to know it's not candy cane.
Speaker 1:Inquiring minds need to know it's fine. I don't like gingerbread, so it's funky to me, but does it taste like it though? Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:A hundred percent.
Speaker 2:Do you need to make another one?
Speaker 1:No, I want to drink that one, yeah, and then I've got a watermelon white claw as the chaser.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think mine's mango.
Speaker 1:I was like this tastes nothing like a peppermint, but that explains everything. That's so funny. So we've had an eventful weekend already. We celebrated our 10-year-old turning 11 last night yes, at our favorite Mexican restaurant.
Speaker 2:I kept telling you it was turning 10 though.
Speaker 1:He's turning 11.
Speaker 2:I know, but he is he his birthday is not till Tuesday. I was telling him that it was turning 10, though, and I get so mad.
Speaker 1:Why you always got to piss everybody off.
Speaker 2:I wish I could go back each year. That'd be nice.
Speaker 1:Ugh, but it was fun night at El Patro's it was. If you're ever in Lake City and want some good Mexican food, go to El Patro's.
Speaker 2:They got it going on. Here it is. Here it is. If you're in Lake City, just ask someone of Latino descent and they will tell you El Patro's, I can't drink no more of that Aw Wow, but you got your Trulies or your White.
Speaker 3:Claw.
Speaker 1:It's funky Back up, that's good.
Speaker 2:I mean, you got that.
Speaker 1:It tastes like some sort of like flavoring extract.
Speaker 2:I'm excited, like I'm just drinking extract. I got three shots lined up and good things come in threes. Right, are all things come in threes.
Speaker 1:Well, we ain't talking about nothing good today.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. But in life in general sometimes bad things come in threes usually deaths come in threes oh shit, but anyhow I got three yes yeah, and I said and I'm gonna all three of them bitches, why are you talking about this crazy, horrific ass story?
Speaker 1:well, I did find a documentary on youtube, thank god, because it would have been a lot shorter.
Speaker 2:Right, well, I mean, we found some stuff and there's a cool documentary, so we can talk about that after we review it later on tonight. Right, we're going to watch it later on tonight. We've got to watch it. We've got to watch it, right.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Okay. Because you're looking over at me, you're like. Oh yeah, because I was looking forward to a candy cane taste and it was my fault.
Speaker 2:I grabbed the wrong one While we're recording, like you know, we take breaks, so you know we're going to. She'll be back with the peppermint one later on and then she'll be like hey, you know, you know, got it going now.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Right. So I'm excited about hearing what all you've you've gathered up yourself about this horrific thing.
Speaker 1:Read lots and lots of articles. I had to write shit down.
Speaker 2:But it happened in Florida too.
Speaker 1:Yes, palm Bay Florida.
Speaker 2:Palm Bay? Is that down near Miami?
Speaker 1:I'm not really sure the location.
Speaker 2:Palm Bay I don't want to. It sounds like someplace we'll never be able to afford to live.
Speaker 1:I have a manager who our retail manager where I work. She lived in Palm Bay before she moved up here.
Speaker 2:I bet it's near Tampa. No, not near Miami. I bet it's near Miami. What do you think? It's Fort Lauderdale, like suburbs of Fort Lauderdale. Yeah, by the beach somewhere.
Speaker 1:Well, there's Melbourne and it's on further down. Yeah, three hours and 21 minutes from Lake City.
Speaker 2:So just north of Fort Myers area right.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It's south of Melbourne. That's all I can see on here. Okay, okay, and it's not on the Good Coast.
Speaker 2:It's not on the Good Coast.
Speaker 1:Not on the Good Coast, it's not on the Gulf.
Speaker 2:Well, southern Gulf, florida is good.
Speaker 1:Hold on, let me zoom out so like south of Tampa down to tampa's over here yeah, yeah on the good coast.
Speaker 2:So literally, palm bay is right across but anything like north of tampa starts getting into that big bin it's near coco beach.
Speaker 1:Well, I say near it's. Yeah, it's, it's south of coco beach. Yeah, north of vero beach. Okay, okay, I've been in that area then before a few times I don't think that three hours and 20 minutes from here is accurate, though it seems like it'd be a little bit longer, so okay, well but that is where our story will take place today, in palm beach, florida I'm excited.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm sure you, I mean I'm sure this is.
Speaker 1:You should not be excited. I'm sure this is going to be a fucking debacle of fuckery and evil.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:When are you going to take your first shot After a little later on?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'm going to let you roll, I'm going to go, you just go, just go, I'm going to let you do your thing. And, uh, you know, do your thing, okay. So, happy Friday, drink about something. Here we are, here we are, and Lindsay's finna turn it loose.
Speaker 1:Yes, alright. In March of 2015, jessica McCarty was a 33-year-old mom of three Her two oldest, lacey, who was seven, and Phillip, who was six, from a previous marriage that ended in 2012, and then a shared five-month-old, chris Jr, with her boyfriend of two years, christopher Swist. They all lived together at 1169 Kenmore Street, northwest Palm Bay, florida, and had been in the home for about eight months. Jessica was a new stay-at-home mom, but had previously worked in the medical field. Chris was a quality assurance manager at my Safe Home Inspection. After serving in the military, chris suffered from pretty severe PTSD and making it to where he couldn't drive, so Lacey did all the driving in the family, so he had danced through something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, wow, and I couldn't really find what. But yeah, so he suffered from PTSD, so bad to the point he couldn't drive. Okay, so the family seemed like your typical family Neighbors would see Lacey take the kids on walks, the kids happily playing in the yard all the time. Chris coached Lacey and Phillip's little league team. Jessica was always posting cute and happy photos of the kids on the socials, like Phillip in a Captain America costume, lacey holding a puppy or baby Chris being cuddled by big Chris.
Speaker 1:Okay so typical, you know typical social media content.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 1:And friends would all say that she loved her kids and was very proud of her family, and every time you turned around she was posting pictures on Instagram. But, of course, life is not always what it seems behind closed doors. Jessica had actually previously spent some jail time for theft. Jessica had actually previously had spent some jail time for theft had been banned from Walmart and Target for fraudulent purchases In 2013,. She had listed her income as $450 a month and her estranged husband, who also had four other children he was a Phillips senior, so she's got Phillips Junior and Chris Junior. So yeah, there's that Phillip Senior would give her anywhere from $100 to $200 a week, so she was definitely struggling financially.
Speaker 2:And trying to keep up with the Joneses.
Speaker 1:I bet Pretty much Kind of, yeah, I mean I've seen on the documentary, I see I mean their house was, you know, your typical little, uh, middle, middle, lower middle class home, okay, but in 2013,. That was right before she met Chris, cause this happened in 2015 and they were together about two years. So before she met Chris, she was struggling, okay, okay. So before she met Chris, she was struggling, okay, okay. So later, on, drug convictions that she had between 2012 and 2013, she went through some shit. She had drug convictions that would leave her working as a fry cook at a bowling alley. Oh, she had struggled with addiction to prescription pills like hydro morphone or was it morphine? Did I type that wrong? Okay? And oxycodone, and had previously attempted suicide. She suffered from postpartum depression and had a botched C-section. After baby Chris, her entire incision had reopened when she left the hospital. Could you imagine that jesse uh was there for my uh section?
Speaker 2:you know my work didn't want me to do that maybe you can get back to work next day.
Speaker 1:I'm like I'm not leaving, like no nope, he was in the hospital with me until we left.
Speaker 2:I hung out? Yeah, and I was, but I mean could you imagine?
Speaker 1:you watch, you saw what my body was going through behind that curtain, even though I told you not to look. I peeked over the curtain Could you imagine that incision opening back up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What the hell man, don't they? I mean?
Speaker 1:Like I said, as somebody who's had four C-sections, I don't even want to imagine that possibility and it fucks up the alignment of your stomach and everything I mean. C-sections saved my life and my baby's life, but you literally have to wait for your intestines to work their self back.
Speaker 2:So that's why they're like you can't do anything until you poop. That's one of the main reasons.
Speaker 1:You can't leave the hospital until you have loosened your bowels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that helps line everything back up in there, because they snatch a lot of that, they move a lot of that stuff around and I had after Silas I had the tubal all at the same time.
Speaker 1:Wow, all right, so Jessica and Chris's relationship was on the rocks as well. They had been fighting a lot and, according to Jessica, Chris would accuse her of not keeping up with the house and sleeping all day. She would say that his comments towards her would hit her right in the jugular Like that was her words. I heard it in the documentary and, from what I've read and listened to, baby Chris wasn't sleeping through the night, so she was probably just sleeping when he slept, which is what the doctor tells you to do so that you can get rest. It's hard to do because you want to get shit done around your house. For me, I would not sleep when the kids sleep.
Speaker 2:We were so lucky with Silas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, me and you as a partnership, you're a really good dad. You, as a partnership, you're a really good dad and as a partnership, you helped, we stayed on schedule and we did the damn thing.
Speaker 2:That really helped, I just didn't want to deviate from that With my previous husband of my older three children.
Speaker 1:I did not have that support so it was a little rough. I did it all on my own, even though I was married to somebody. I did all that on my own and because it was hard.
Speaker 2:I couldn't imagine. If that was me, you know, I wouldn't have been able to eat. Women are strong in a lot of ways, like a dude being able to do all of that by himself, and I didn't mind getting up or doing whatever you know being part of what you know'm being part of whatever.
Speaker 1:As you know, I worked less hours. I mean, of course, I was out for six weeks and then, when I did go back to work, I worked less hours, and you have to get up so early that I felt bad about waking you up?
Speaker 2:yeah, we talked about that and I said, you know, I didn't care and I don't get up if I knew, because most of the time he was, because sometimes I would just be yeah, because unfortunately when I am I'm out, but for the most part the children is about the only thing that'll wake me up out of the dead sleep.
Speaker 1:It's like Silas coming in our room today.
Speaker 2:That's weird how your human instincts will do that, though, you know, because, like you, can hear your baby across the, because he's in a whole other side of the house at that time, in the very back corner from where we're at.
Speaker 1:Well, when he was a baby baby, we had him in the little bassinet in our room, but yeah, On up to toddlers when we needed to get up and do whatever.
Speaker 2:When he was over there on that side of the house I would hear like a little, you know I'm there it was like a little, a little goat, okay.
Speaker 1:So on March 19th 2015, the family came home from an evening of ball games and the kids went to bed around 845 as they were exhausted from having school all day and then going to play ball games. Jessica and Chris start to fight over their relationship and Chris announces that he no longer wants to be with her. Jessica did not accept this, asking why would you tell me day after day that you love me and I'm your world if you felt like this? And this has been a recurring argument for a while. The next morning, the family woke around 640 to get ready for the day. The kids were excited because it was their last day of school before spring break and they had a beach trip planned with their grandparents.
Speaker 1:Jessica had another sleepless night with the baby that made sure everyone was up and ready and out the door by 745. She drove Lacey and Phillip to school and then Chris to work. After returning home, her mother, patricia Knoll, came over to help with baby Chris and she says Jessica was filling out a food stamp application. A couple of hours later her mom would leave and Jessica would go and get her normal housework done. Chris calls her later on to tell her he made plans to play baseball with some friends that night, and this made Jessica very upset. She said she had also made plans and needed Chris to watch the kids, as this was her first outing since baby Chris had been born.
Speaker 2:So she had been doing all the hard work, not get any sleep, and then they went and spent a day at the beach and she wanted a little her time.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. They had plans to go to the beach for spring break. This is the last day of school for spring break, okay, okay, this was a Friday. So they hung up with each other in a heated argument but continued to text. So they hung up with each other in a heated argument, but continued to text. Chris asks why were you yelling when you hung up the phone? Jessica responds maybe because I'm destroyed, my heart is broken in a million pieces and the person I'm in love with hates me Because, remember, the night before, which was Thursday night, they had had the ball games. They came home, had a fight.
Speaker 2:He said he didn't want to be with her. No more, that's right. Yes, Okay.
Speaker 1:He then says well, I watched the baby, but your kids can't stay here, Meaning Lacey and Phillip. He says I desperately need a break from everything. I'm good with hanging at the house with Christopher tonight. Jessica responds with whatever you say. Then Chris says let's just try to have a fun weekend and see what happens. Then she tells him that she canceled her plans and says you can go out with Matt that's her, that's his brother, right and play baseball and everything. That's fine by me. I wanted to do one thing and I have no friends. Chris then says any other night, go out. And where did you think you had? We're gonna get the money to go drinking. After all, that's been said. Do you really expect me to hand you 60 and babysit your kids?
Speaker 1:So later on that day, patricia picked up the kids from school and brought them home. As she did this about uh, twice a week, she noticed that the energy in the house was weird. She saw jessica writing in a notebook and asked what she was doing. Uh, jess, oh, just jotting a few things down. Patricia says are you writing a letter? Jessica says yeah, kind of. Patricia says well, who are you writing a letter to? Jessica says no one in particular. Patricia asks can I read it? Jessica says particular. Patricia asked can I read it? Jessica says no, you can't read it, and then laughs it off. Patricia would later say that Jessica seemed sad and Patricia had offered to take Lacey and Philip home with her and Jessica said no, I'd rather have them home to keep me. So later on Patricia would receive a phone call from Jessica that would haunt her forever. Around 545,. Jessica called her mom and said Mom, I'm very sorry. Patricia says sorry for what? And Jessica says I've killed the children Jesus.
Speaker 2:Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to show it back to you. I'm not going to cry on this one, lindsay. Okay, I'm going to show it back to you.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to cry on this one, lindsay.
Speaker 1:At 5.53 pm, chris had just sat down with his brother Matt and mother Cheryl to have dinner at Fired Up Pizza, an outing recently planned by Matt. After he picked Chris up from work and as soon as they were seated, jessica calls Chris in a disturbing voice and says the kids are dead. Well, chris didn't believe her and says yeah, okay, and hung the kids are dead. Well, chris didn't believe her and says yeah, okay, and hung up the phone. But at 5.55, she sent him a picture of their kitchen floor covered in blood. Then Chris calls 911 and here is his call.
Speaker 3:Hi. What's the location of your emergency? My location is Okay. What's going on? I'm not entirely certain, my girlfriend just called me call and I figured I'd call her back because I got a photo as well. What was the photo? You know what? It kind of looks like a photo, but it's just water. I had a lot of it. Are you children now? Yep, that's normal. That's normal.
Speaker 2:Yes, I have two small children and a baby. Wow, where did you get that from? Youtube that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:That's crazy, so like somebody's story on YouTube.
Speaker 1:It's a yeah, it's a documentary on YouTube. It's about an hour long and you literally just look up Jessica McCarty and it pops right up.
Speaker 2:Oh right, I guess somebody had done that.
Speaker 1:E W U crime story time. Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Wow, lindsay, yeah, lindsay, I'm going to, I'm going to take one of my shots.
Speaker 1:Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2:And, uh, I'm gonna let you keep flying Cause you've got the. Oh my goodness, all three of those babies, though Let me get there.
Speaker 1:Let me get there, it gets sadder. Oh, let me get there. Let me get there, it gets sadder oh Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Cheryl races to get them to the house. That's Chris's mom. While driving home, Jessica also makes a 911 call saying that she has a gun and isn't afraid to use it. She tells the dispatcher it's too late, it's already done. My three kids are dead. When Chris arrives, he rushes inside to find a bloody Jessica in the living room holding a butcher's knife. He gets the knife from her and demands she tells him where the kids are. Jesse took a shot.
Speaker 2:He's burping. Well, I'm not doing that, I'm more. I mean, the shot was nice. But Jesus, eleanor Roosevelt, Christ Lindsay, this was so fucking bad in life.
Speaker 1:Hold on, we'll get there. We'll get there Before she can answer. He looks over in horror as he sees Phillip's body between the loveseat and the couch covered by a blanket. He makes his way through the house to find his own child, her baby, five months old Lindsay, who he finds laying on the side of the master bed, also with a blanket laying over him, with a pink charging cord wrapped around his neck. Beside him is Lacey, who is also covered by a blanket. It looks as though she had been submerged in water. She was pale and blue.
Speaker 2:So she killed her babies three different ways. Let me get this story out.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying it's terrible. I know, I know, get the story.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I know, I know, I know I'm ate up right now. Why are you puddling me? Don't put on me.
Speaker 1:They are all still alive, but barely hanging on, oh all three of the babies are they're barely hanging on Lindsay Go. Chris unwraps the cord from the baby's neck and rushes him outside where he attempts CPR. He calls 911 again letting them know of the situation at hand. Police arrive and Jessica is the first to encounter them. And it's I watch. It's brute, like the body cam footage is. There's body cam footage?
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:So they yell at her to get down. As they see she has the knife behind her back and she also has another in her waistband. The police use a beanbag shotgun to get her down and get the knives from her. They ask her, why did you kill the baby? And all she says is I don't know. They go inside to see. Philip has the charging cord around his neck as well. They remove their cord and perform CPR, but he is unresponsive. Then they find Lacey and try to resuscitate her as well, but she is also unresponsive. All three children are rushed to the hospital. All the blood had come from Jessica, slicing her wrist and neck, and the officers bandaged her wounds, but she was begging them to let her bleed. Of course they don't do that and she is transferred to the hospital as well as the officers explore the house. It looks like a horror movie. There is blood everywhere and the movie Marley and Me is playing in the background.
Speaker 2:At least it wasn't a dancing song playing in the background.
Speaker 1:Mother, don't even start.
Speaker 2:'m sorry, that's more I didn't know why I wanted to plug that in there, but I had to put something in here, lindsey I mean tell your children not to walk my way. Uh, no, I mean, that's not even.
Speaker 1:So as the bathroom, fuck me, but no fuck Go. The bathroom was in complete disarray, as the shower enclosure had been slammed to the ground, glasses everywhere and the tub is filled with water and the faucet is still running slowly. This is where she had strangled and drowned Lacey. How old is this baby? Okay, so let's see. Let me go back. Lacey was seven, phillip was six and Chris is five months.
Speaker 2:I know, lindsay, these are like my favorite age of children, I know.
Speaker 1:They're beautiful and let me get there. Let me get there. They're beautiful and let me get there, let me get there. Then they go outside and find a letter in a notebook sitting on the dash of the family car. This note was her suicide note and some of the things written were to my family. I am so sorry for what I had to do. I love you all more than life itself. I am truly aware that this is much more painful for everyone I left behind. I had no other choice. Thank you for being the most amazing family. We were truly the luckiest in the world, most selfish bitch in the world. Well then, she addresses Chris. Dear Chris, as I've said in the past, I love you more than life itself. I could never picture my life without you. You are a good dad to Christopher. She also goes on to say I finally believe you when you say I'm not good enough. You hate Lacey, so I know you won't miss her.
Speaker 1:So he's been beating her down, but this is this verbal abuse was a big part in her downfall, it looks like it, but it's only been going on for like what a couple They've been together a total of two years.
Speaker 2:Two years.
Speaker 1:She's been pregnant, though, for for nine months, and she's five months postpartum, so that's half the relationship, and pregnancy and postpartum, and she already had issues before they are dangerous.
Speaker 2:I mean, they're real.
Speaker 1:They're real when you already have, jesus, uh, a history of depression, and you have cause. I'm going to go on to say things that happened before. When you already have these factors in place, pregnancy and postpartum is dangerous for a person like Jessica, especially if you're listening to dancing a lot.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, stop it. So please remember all the horrible and disrespectful things that you said when you go for the jugular. She says that a couple of times in the documentary. Those words never leave me. And after more pages she also says well, you're right, I am worthless. Just like you tell me all the time, I can't live without my children. I also can't live with my whole family falling apart. I guess that's it for now. Hope to see you in the afterlife. If I get there, I know the kids will. Good luck and thanks for destroying our family. So who is Brandy? Well, brandy Buckley is the woman that Chris was having sort of an emotional affair with. They were co-workers and often communicated over Facebook Messenger. Brandy does go on to say that Chris confided in her, that he wanted to leave Jessica and their tumultuous relationship for the sake of the children. Jessica became so obsessed with Brandy that she would create different text accounts to threaten and harass Brandy and tell her that she would reveal her and Chris's relationship to her own husband.
Speaker 2:Brandy says Brandy was a threat.
Speaker 1:Brandy was a threat.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And Chris made it known and he was talking about it probably way too fucking much and he was going straight to the juggler for her to cover up his Chris did not believe that these messages were from Jessica, but Brandy had to change her number nonetheless because Jessica was harassing her so bad.
Speaker 1:There was nobody else. There was nobody else in Brandy's life that would do that, right.
Speaker 2:So he was going after the threat.
Speaker 1:Jessica had even reached out to Chris's supervisor, a woman named Heather, at first asking for a job, as well as saying that if she did work there, she couldn't work with Brandy, then also saying that Chris and Brandy were talking shit about her in their conversations. And Jessica had also been irate when Brandy provided them with a washing machine when theirs broke down, so it was just in her face.
Speaker 2:Just staying in, yeah.
Speaker 1:And Jessica even posted about this on Facebook. Her anger was, I mean, she was like Obviously there's some shit going on.
Speaker 2:I mean, he might not say it, but if he's bringing her up and she's like From what I can, gather.
Speaker 1:Chris just said this is my coworker, brandy. Nothing more is happening. But Jessica dove deep, found messages between them on Facebook Messenger that she didn't think was appropriate.
Speaker 2:I mean, we all have coworkers, but we don't tie in where it's constant, like that, or bringing them up constantly. No, you, know.
Speaker 1:So it's like, and I guess their washing machine broke down. Chris was like, well, brandy's got one that she's going to lend us. And then so Jessica posted like on Facebook that they got a loaner from somebody but it's not working either. Like she was putting it in a passive-aggressive way. She was, she was not taking it, um, she was not taking it. Well, the whole situation, right, right. So back to the hospital. Lacy and jessica were transported to homes regional medical center, but lacy passed away at 7 0, 5 pm. Philip and baby chris were first taken Palm Bay Community Hospital but then transferred to Florida Hospital for Children. En route, philip went into cardiac arrest and then was driven to Wusthof Hospital where he passed away at 11.22 pm. Those babies Baby Chris, would hang on for a while longer and I don't know why, but I missed, missed exactly the time, but he passed away the next day.
Speaker 1:So all three babies are now gone. In police interviews, jessica told them of the leading up to events and all she could say over and over is she doesn't know how she could do this. Oh my god. And her voice is so annoying Like it sounds. I don't. Her voice is so annoying Like it sounds.
Speaker 3:I don't, I can't even. Is it high-pitched Californian?
Speaker 1:No, it's very I don't know. I'll let you listen to it and I will. Like I said, all you have to do is type in Jessica McCarty on YouTube and that's the first documentary that pops up. Okay, that's the longest one.
Speaker 2:There's a few other ones that are short. I don't know what to grab and my commentary is going to suck on this one. I'm going to get used to this shit because I'm still new to like. These are fucking bombshells.
Speaker 1:Nancy, they're fucking bombshells.
Speaker 2:Earlier she was like. Well welcome to true crime, jesse. And I'm like fuck, and there's a lot of people that listen to this shit like it's a thing, like and I don't know really a lot about it, and like I said, my co-worker was locked up with this person your co-worker was locked up with my co-worker was.
Speaker 1:Only they had conversations she had no idea about what this woman had done until she was released. Wow, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Wow, so we're just incarcerated together and blah, blah, blah, we do our day.
Speaker 1:Because she said a lot of people don't talk about why they're in there.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's their prerogative and our thoughts is everybody, as soon as you go in. Well, what are you in for?
Speaker 1:Because she was in there for something very minor, next to Jessica McCartney.
Speaker 2:Why in the fuck are they hobnobbing together?
Speaker 1:Because you're all in general population.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, general population and everything can be just non-disclosed or whatever, right yeah?
Speaker 1:Wow. So in Patricia's interview she would tell the police that Jessica had been seeing different psychiatrists but didn't know her official diagnosis. She did say that bipolar disorder was suspected but not confirmed. Borderline personality disorder was also suspected, and this can cause the individual to disassociate from their actions. Borderline personality disorder is literally where you have multiple personalities.
Speaker 2:Right right. She disassociated everything with what was going on.
Speaker 1:And there's a big case in the future that I'm going to talk about. That focuses on that. It's one of the biggest cases in history of BPD and it is okay, I need to explain. I do not wellish if you would call it that into your crime. I'm fascinated by the psychosis of people and how they are able to do shit like this.
Speaker 2:Well, what you said in the past you're like you know there has never been the good old days there's never been like a spot in time where it was just good, like if you look everywhere, you're gonna find some shit like this, and I think I'm thinking I think this was my first introduction to true crime.
Speaker 1:I read, read the diary of Anne Frank, yeah. And then I went on to research the Holocaust and I wanted to know why the fuck Hitler was the way he was. And all of the psychosis of people that can do shit like this is what fascinates me. It's I don't like it, but it fascinates me because why I don't have thoughts like that.
Speaker 2:So I want to know why somebody else would yeah, I have never seen you justify any um psychosis where you snapped into anything other than being real and right up front. And I appreciate that because you'll be like, real, right up front. Yeah, we're going through this moment because I mean, we've all had problems and stuff. You know in any relationship you do, but you'll snap and do your thing right there, right then and it's healthy.
Speaker 1:I let it out.
Speaker 2:You let it out healthy. You know you don't hold anything in and do something crazy like this. And you've never done it. And you've been through a lot of shit, lindsay, you really have, and I've put you through some shit. I'm have and I've put you through some shit. I'm sorry, but like women can do that, people can do that not just women, period, but like I think they. She was trying to, um, maybe uphold like a certain lifestyle. She couldn't afford. It had a dude down her neck, she had a threat.
Speaker 1:He was telling her that and she and I'm gonna go on a little bit of that whole dynamic right there.
Speaker 2:You're not good enough. Thing it happens a lot and it hurts for a woman to really put her whole heart into something daily and I was good enough.
Speaker 1:I was an amazing human being to him and our baby.
Speaker 2:And women get to where they believe it.
Speaker 1:He was so insecure with himself that he put it on.
Speaker 2:Same scenario with this guy. That's what I'm thinking Pretty much. I think that he had a lot of dirt going on with his little co-worker. She was a threat and he was trying to keep that lifestyle going while being shitty toward the spouse that he's with now.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm going to continue on with my notes here Go ahead. But bipolar has manic periods, depression periods, and in between you're able to function pretty normally. Patricia tells police of her previous drug charge where Jessica had worked for a doctor's office and had stolen prescription pads, filled them illegally and sold and consumed them herself. Patricia also said that Jessica had indeed had postpartum depression after baby Chris was born and her incision from the botched C-section had still not healed after five months.
Speaker 1:And that can fuck with your mind, well, your whole body is fighting to heal. And from having four C-sections and incisions. If it doesn't, you get scared because that's your.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's right down there by your pubic bone yeah, your livelihood too, like, like everything is just you could. You're thinking that, hey, I may never hit, never heal from this five months is a long time.
Speaker 1:I was healed after six weeks with that shit better had been fixed like it.
Speaker 2:What were we? Where were we the three days right? What do you mean? How long were you in there after your c-section? Three days yeah, three days.
Speaker 1:And then you, you had a bowel movement and get instructions how to care for it, and then you were able to up and kind of move and of course we wheeled you out to the car but I was up and walking around in the hospital after every single one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I helped you to the bathroom and everything.
Speaker 1:The only one that I struggled with was. Dalton, because it was new to me. It was new to me so I was scared that I was going to fuck shit up. So I was scared to move and they're like no, you're okay, we'll help you get through this, but you're okay to move around. If you feel any pain or discomfort in that area, let us know immediately.
Speaker 2:But as long as you can have something, you can get a lot of around, right, you know. But uh, you know, what was really cool was like I had to sleep on this cool little chair and I looked over it out to a bed like we really we handled that.
Speaker 2:Like I felt like after that, right there, we can go through anything and we're good, right, it kind of sets you up, you know, as a long relationship and everything Like man you can do whatever the fuck you know, from being in the river in a kayak to that Right.
Speaker 1:I think we can handle any damn thing.
Speaker 2:That's awesome to me.
Speaker 1:You watched my innards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got to see. You see, I got to see your guts and a little blue baby pulled out. That was so awesome to me.
Speaker 1:I was like, wow, I could never and you had no idea what he was. You didn't want to know. The whole time I did not know. Yeah, we did not know who silas was, but I never did.
Speaker 1:I ever tell you it was a silas or an alora yep, we did not know, I didn't know you, you knew you knew, I knew, but I didn't try to. No, I didn't try to okay, well, you didn't yeah you, you, so the doctor kept it from me, my doctor but when they sent me when they sent me to imagery
Speaker 1:to get a more in-depth ultrasound to make sure our babies that our baby didn't have any problems. Yeah, they printed it out for me and it said male at the top and I was like, so I was like because we were excited.
Speaker 2:We were excited about being like kind of old school. We didn't want to know the sex of the baby. We didn't know if it was a boy or mom wanted to know.
Speaker 1:The doctor told her his girl suspicion.
Speaker 2:He told I do remember him saying he's not 100, so we did get a lot of gifts for a girl but thankfully there was another girl born in our family shortly
Speaker 2:after yeah, and she got all those pretty dresses yeah, or my niece's little cousin but yeah that was really. That was really cool to me. I mean, you had already had a few kids, but like I wanted to experience that and just not know, I just didn't want to, it was silas or alora, either one would have been just as amazing to me I didn't care.
Speaker 1:I didn't really care, I was just we need to get a female dog and name her alora. Yeah, I want to use that name. I want somebody to use that name because it's so alora we got that from of, of course, willow.
Speaker 2:But then the middle name Blythe Allura. Blythe is a beautiful name, somebody use it, and so is Randy Blythe we love that one.
Speaker 1:We love Randy Blythe.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take another shot. So cheers to Lindsay's research. She still has a lot more to go. We're almost at the end If you're digging this kind of stuff, just share it to your friends and bring in some folks.
Speaker 1:Yes, and thank you to all of our already listeners. We appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got to say this for the next, probably I don't know 50 more episodes to try to get more people to listen, but we're still seeing more people listening and loving it More and more, and I'm having problems with audio. I'm still having problems with audio. I'm still having problems with audio. I think I'm just going to go and spend like five grand on some professional audio equipment oh God, we don't need to do all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to go in debt over this shit, lindsay, no, no, we bought a cheap sound setup and I edited it.
Speaker 1:We got it started why? Because every podcaster that I've listened to you said if you want to do it, fucking do it.
Speaker 2:just get the shit, do it, do it, put your shit out there and if you have content, hey, you know, let's, let's share and collab together, right? If you're a podcaster too, like, come on, we'll share and we'll do. You know, that's how I did in my band too, because I really liked doing, you know, sharing and collaborate, collaborations and everything I love doing that. We haven't found anybody else, yet we're on our own, sailing out here in this big old ocean of turds.
Speaker 1:So many turds.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, Lindsay. I'm going to take a shot though. Cheers, Cheers to everybody.
Speaker 1:And drink about something I've now gotten a blackberry White Claw and. Jesse's going to take his second shot.
Speaker 2:Drink about something, find us and share us, and then blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, go Lindsay shit.
Speaker 1:So Jessica says that she was actually officially diagnosed with bipolar disorder and PTSD, but not medicated. Jesse took his second shot. Yeah, yeah, just keep going. In Chris's interview he says that Jessica was an amazing mother and that's actually what. And he had known the kids the older two kids prior to knowing her through aunts and uncles. I guess they were all mutual friends. Like I said, it was hard to find a lot of backstory, so I got as much as I could and put it together and you did this shit on your own.
Speaker 2:I'm fucking proud Like you found a little bit online, but you dug this shit up. Nobody's done this. Kudos girl Go.
Speaker 1:But Chris had been weirded out by Jessica. About a year prior to the murders, he said that they had a dog that Jessica didn't like and she had even posted about this on the socials, and then the dog was seriously died. He said that Jessica had expressed concerns of postpartum to him and had threatened to snap the kids' necks if they didn't start respecting her.
Speaker 2:That kind of asshole Okay.
Speaker 1:So, phillip Sr, the estranged husband said that they had been separated since 2012. But I don't think that they were ever officially divorced, because it says estranged husband, not ex-husband, right In the documentary.
Speaker 2:It's still a thing, right, but not a. Thing.
Speaker 1:Well, he tells police of her credit card fraud and how it was actually a co-worker's credit card that she stole, and he said that Jessica had shared dark thoughts of hurting their children, lacey and Phillip, in the past. She had postpartum after PJ was born. That's what they called Phillip, little Phillip Right.
Speaker 2:So after each kid she was having An untreated postpartum is dangerous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:And unfortunately, especially with a shitty dude being like right there behind you.
Speaker 1:My postpartum was untreated, but I did not have thoughts like that.
Speaker 2:We didn't have a bad time.
Speaker 1:I don't think I was just down on myself more with each kid, because I didn't. The only one that I really bounced back quickly from was after Landon, my third child with after my oldest two, and then with Silas. It took me a while to bounce back and it was just only like kind of self-loathing. I didn't have any ill thoughts towards my children whatsoever.
Speaker 2:They were my yeah, you know, I didn't, you kept it for me. Well, I guess, I mean, I felt like we did pretty good on the well like I said.
Speaker 1:It said it was just me, it was just. I mean, I still have self-loathing problems to this day.
Speaker 2:But everybody has things. I mean, you and I kind of stayed on an even kilter through all that, but my family was important and taking care of them was priority.
Speaker 1:I never had ill thoughts about anything like that. Yeah, so that's what you had support when I read, when I hear about cases like this, and I'm like it makes you realize that postpartum in that direction is a real thing. You don't, because if you don't experience those thoughts yourself, mothers don't understand, but it is.
Speaker 2:do you realize this?
Speaker 1:There's several cases where postpartum has affected women to the point where they take children out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot when it comes to this situation. You've talked about this.
Speaker 1:Because to me it is not discussed enough in society. Right, it's not taken care of like it should be. Because it is a real thing, Right, and it's happened all through ages, and women were considered honestly going back to Salem Witch Trials through ages and women were considered honestly going back to Salem witch trials. If they had showed some kind of shit like this they would be considered a witch or evil.
Speaker 2:But it's just a natural thing that women can go through after they have a child okay because they would think that she was possessed or she was going through something right, even though she's just emotionally just distraught over the postpartum thing that's going on and that's a real psychosis that women go through. A lot, a lot of pregnancies do that it is terrible.
Speaker 1:Some women bounce back. Talked about enough, no problem.
Speaker 2:Or they just hide it.
Speaker 1:I'm in a group called Feral Moms on Facebook and it really enlightens you. You would be, I would be. I am a feral mom, but it really opens your eyes because women will go on there, because you can anonymously post your dark thoughts and shit. Whatever?
Speaker 3:That's good.
Speaker 1:And there was a pregnant woman just last night that had posted suicidal thoughts and one of the rules of the thing is, if you post something like that, the admin will immediately call the police for a well check. And she is doing okay. She's good today. But I mean, women go through this all the time and a lot of women don't have anyone to turn to yeah and this.
Speaker 2:There's a but there's a lot of avenues nowadays for things like that.
Speaker 1:You know we have a child who has had a mental stability issues and it's hard to find help. Yeah, it's hard to find help. Yeah, you know that we struggled.
Speaker 2:I mean the correct the real help the real help. Right yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm going to keep moving forward, all right. So Phillip would also say that Lacey had been getting notes at home, saying that she was acting out in class, which, as a mother who's experienced that, it can fuck with you mentally. It does when your child is constantly getting notes from the teacher.
Speaker 2:It makes you want to give up Right, especially if you want to give up Right, especially if you're trying and you're in there and you're doing the homework and the kid is still like just completely not clicking and you know that you're doing everything right at home.
Speaker 1:You know that you're doing everything right at home, but something ain't clicking in the classroom.
Speaker 2:That was so hard. For me that was hard.
Speaker 1:Imagine I the classroom. That was so hard for me, that was hard.
Speaker 2:Imagine, I mean, you came along after I'd already been through that. You're like. You're like wait a minute, jesse, this is just your kid, what about? I mean we, we, I mean I came in and landon was what?
Speaker 1:six right, so he's now 19 yeah, and we did.
Speaker 2:We did good, but landon didn't really have problems.
Speaker 1:No, but my older two. They had problems.
Speaker 2:Went through a lot of the teenage stuff with them.
Speaker 1:If I wasn't getting a call about one. I was getting a call about another, it was. And that started at a very young age. Wouldn't it wear on you so hard?
Speaker 2:It wears on you so bad and I was able to and selfishly speaking, I guess I was able just to kind of be in the background on a lot of those. But I mean I was, I was all in for, for helping and supporting but it opened your eyes, but it didn't wear on me as being my own child doing it knowing that we're doing everything correctly at home I accepted all your boys, of course you know full-on, wholeheartedly, but I didn't feel like there's a different feeling.
Speaker 2:I guess that I, not it is. It is you can't have in your own, you can't help it. It is just a natural thing, even as a step it's a different feeling, blood child.
Speaker 1:It's a different wear and tear on you.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say like, like, I'm being selfish or anything like that, but they're honestly. You're going to get different feelings you know as being your own and I experienced that with my own and it was.
Speaker 1:Well, this these notes being sent home about Lacey constantly, it made Jessica believe that she had been raped at some point. Yeah, so she was, and this also ties in with BPD and or bipolar disorder. It makes you, it makes you paranoid. So she getting these notes at home about Lacey all the time, seven, no, it makes you paranoid.
Speaker 2:So she getting these notes at home about Lacey all the time.
Speaker 1:Seven though, I mean, you never know what's going on in somebody's brain that is not mentally stable. You just don't, yeah well, so Phillip said that he did talk to Jessica that fateful day around 1215. He said that they discussed child support and that he would have it for her on Saturday and Sunday. So that day was Friday and he literally said he would have it for her either the next day or the following. But this upset her and she went on to call him a piece of shit, a deadbeat dad, and wished death upon his own newborn child.
Speaker 2:Really and.
Speaker 1:Phillip said that she made these comments often and because in the documentary that I found on YouTube they go through. You see live the interviews of the family. It's just yeah. So there was clearly something wrong here. In December of 2015, jessica pled guilty to all three counts of first degree murder, avoiding the death penalty, but will spend the rest of her life in prison. And, like I said, and in my own opinion, all the untreated postpartum untreated bipolar disorder or borderline personality disorder. Her shady past, tumultuous relationship with her current boyfriend and ex-husband.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The sleepless nights, they all caused her to snap. And these poor children?
Speaker 2:paid the price. Were the victims.
Speaker 1:They paid the price and mental health is serious and we don't take it as seriously as we should.
Speaker 2:I'm puddled, lindsay, but I get it, but I don't fucking get it. You know, with so many avenues that you have nowadays, fucking get it.
Speaker 1:You know, with so many avenues that you have nowadays, well this would you know. There's still not enough and it all depends on the area you're in. There's no avenues here in our town. She's in facebook time.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, she's in group time, just like you are. Reach the fuck out.
Speaker 1:This was also almost 10 years ago, facebook wasn't what it was then and mental awareness wasn't as talked about as much as it is now, and I still don't think it's talked about as much as it should be.
Speaker 2:Right. So mothers, if you're going through anything like this, find groups Anybody, not mothers, just in general. Find groups, talk lines anything. Talk to somebody If you feel like there's something going on and she didn't just talk to her mother that day. Her to somebody Talk, if you feel like there's something going on and she didn't just talk to her mother that day. Her mother was very involved. So people just don't talk enough Her mother was very involved.
Speaker 2:Poor Patricia I guess this is why you're doing this, because we enjoy talking enough. And in the middle of some of these things, actually me and you communicate a lot. You know that Isn't this awesome? Mm-hmm, I mean, this is a fucked up situation. That's not awesome, jesus.
Speaker 1:But this is a lot of the reason why so? That's the ending of your story right there. That is the end of my coverage on the Kimmel Party.
Speaker 2:That's still going on, though, Like this chick is still in prison.
Speaker 1:She's in prison A hundred percent. She did not receive a death penalty. I didn't write it down? Well, how?
Speaker 2:about. I just I mean she's in Palm Bay.
Speaker 1:How about?
Speaker 2:I just talk about everything that has just been insane for these women that go through everything.
Speaker 1:And we want to be clear we are not having sympathy for the murders.
Speaker 2:Not at all.
Speaker 1:We're having sympathy for the psychosis of this person that needed help.
Speaker 2:Exactly that's what I've been saying the whole time I've been saying you know psychosis. So it's like you're changing your whole, a whole different personality towards and you just snap, you just there's, there's.
Speaker 1:And Chris even says Chris, the father of the baby. He even says in his interview that it did not sound like her when she called him. And when he got home, it didn't look like her.
Speaker 2:That's somewhere where she's been going to and nobody paid attention.
Speaker 1:She was in a dark, dark place.
Speaker 2:Especially a dickhead boyfriend. You know, wow, wow, wow. I have one more shot to do.
Speaker 1:So what band are you plugging?
Speaker 2:today. I got on with this company I guess it's Curtain Call Records. I got on with Curtain Call Records and they play and support and promote. They do some really cool stuff with bands Some of the things that they sent me. I talked to Gigi over at Curtain Call Records and she made us a playlist called Drink About Something on Spotify and there's some bands on there and I want to play one of the bands on there. Okay, yeah, I'm just so excited about playing this stuff and all the support for music playing local music is just amazing.
Speaker 1:Please I cannot stress it enough Support your local talent. It's because all famous bands were once local talent. All of them, everyone Remember that they did not just suddenly become famous. They put in the work and they played the small venues. They didn't get paid, they played, or they, if they did play, they played for food or gas money or a bar tab. You know they put in all the work to put their art out there and then we're lucky enough or blessed, or whatever you want to call it, you know, to get signed to a record deal which made them famous. But they still work hard, even as famous people. They work hard. They have to tour, they have to play show after show, night after night, away from their families, friends, everything. But they all started out local.
Speaker 2:You know, in the time that you put together like as being a band, I drive about an hour. You know it's about 30 minutes to get there and 30 minutes to get back, and then we practice for three hours. I do that almost every week and these bands do that and career bands do that. You have to.
Speaker 1:You have to do that because you are so passionate about music. You have to.
Speaker 2:It becomes an avenue that is my.
Speaker 1:Because let me tell y'all what, if he don't get to do it, he's not happy. He's not a happy person.
Speaker 2:Emotionally and just everything you know, being creative, like, okay, being an artist period If you can't just sit down and draw whatever you need to and create something, especially if you have something that you're giving to other people and you're you're, it's reciprocating. You're creating this thing and people are giving you feedback, just like what me and Lindsay are doing right now. That becomes a staple for your whole emotional stability, you know, and just like motherhood becomes a staple for your whole emotional stability, you know, and just like motherhood becomes a staple for your emotional stability. You have to have that support, whether it be through your family, through your spouse, your partner or even your kids, you know. So I want to play this band.
Speaker 2:Um, it's on our drink about something spotify, spotify drink about something on spotify, spotify. Spotify Drink About Something on Spotify. And it was made not by us but by Gigi, and thank you so much. Curtain Call Records. Thank you for all the and thank you Gigi, gigi and all the bands. And this band is called Entundra and they played a cover song by Fleetwood Mac called Dreams, and we're just going to kick that off off and I'm going to take another shot. So, yeah, in Tundra, this is dreams. Check it out and share it and like it and all that good stuff. Here they go.
Speaker 3:Now here you go again. You say you want your freedom. Well, who am I to bring you down?
Speaker 1:It's only right that you shouldn't play it the way you feel it. Listen carefully to the sound Dreams of loneliness like a heartbeat drives it mad.
Speaker 3:In the stillness of remembering and what you lost, when it's raining. And players, they only love you when they're playing. I said, hey, women, yeah, they will come and they will go. When the rain washes you clean your soul, yeah, you will know. Now, here I go again. I see the crystal visions. I keep my visions to myself. It's hard to make ones to wrap around your dreams. And have you any dreams you'd like to sell? Dreams of loneliness, like a heartbeat drives you mad. In the stillness of remembering what you had, oh, and what you lost. Thunder only happens when it's raining, and players, they only love you when they're playing. I say, women, yeah, they will come and they will go. When the rain washes you clean, you'll know, yeah, you will know. Guitar solo. Thank you, drowsy man. Drowsy man, thunder only happens when it's raining, and players, they only love you when they're playing. Lost city. Women, yeah, they will come and they will go. When the rain washes, you'll bleed you'll know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you will know. You will know, yeah, you will know. Oh, my goodness Lindsay. That was good. Chandra, right From Curtain Call Records. They got their own thing going on. Check them out. Check out Curtain Call Records. They got their own thing going on. Check them out. Check out Curtain Call Records. Check out all the bands on there. That shit is going to be on my rotation. I am loving that, and the chick coming in there in the middle of it, that was amazing, yeah.
Speaker 1:Thank you for sticking out through the song, if you have. Yeah. I then went and made myself the right martini.
Speaker 2:She did. Yeah, I then went and made myself the right martini she did While we were jamming out.
Speaker 1:And it's pretty good, it's just a little too sweet for me, so I probably won't drink it all, but I'm having a few sips.
Speaker 2:I tried a little bit of it and it's good. It's good.
Speaker 1:I think you should have put more of an Elecra in there a little bit more of an Elecra, Well, it says one shot for one bottle wait till after we eat because those are double shot.
Speaker 2:I had two double shots and, well, definitely this will be my second double shot on our instagram when this episode yeah, you're gonna like this one because, uh, the artist that that makes these we've seen at spookella and they do these. I don't remember who it was. I've got their card. We might like them on instagram immediately. Yeah, they were really cool. They make these cool little shot glasses and she hand paints these and um, they're fucking amazing. They're like little caricatures, caricature, caricatures, caricatures. Is it of the? Of the serial killer? Yeah, different serial killers and horror people around, like uh, about my sister and hh holmes, one she loves hh, we'll cover that later on too that's gonna be a the the kill house I've.
Speaker 2:I will know about that one, so I'll I want to be goofed like the old shit. I can goof boot on this new shit, I don't know man I know the ones that take you by surprise. You're like it's hard for me he's clutching his pearls I'm gonna go ahead and do this, I'm gonna do this, so this will be two double shots in a single shot.
Speaker 2:All right for this one yeah I'm gonna go ahead and give this to you. I'm blushing, yeah. Well, you deserve it. You. You dug this shit up and it was just amazing and, um, you did well. And cheers, cheers to everybody who partakes, and if you don't, it doesn't matter. That's our pocket. You know, we got to drink about something and that is something for sure. Mental health, mental health, awareness, awareness, cheers y'all.
Speaker 1:Can't do it. I'm not going to finish that martini. I'm going to drink another white coffee.
Speaker 2:You know, a drink like this. Lindsay, you're really not supposed to shoot, You're supposed to just sip on it with some ice or whatever. But that shit is so good. St Augustine's jewelry has a badass bourbon.
Speaker 1:You pass out on me. It's so early in the day. We got movies and documentaries to watch. We're going to watch. I'm gonna let him watch the YouTube documentary on the case that we just covered. If you listen enough, you'll find out Jesse's, because I like to put a face, faces with the people that I'm here.
Speaker 2:I want to check it out. I'm excited.
Speaker 1:I don't always watch documentaries, but I'll look up the people that whoever I'm listening to is covering. I will look up that person just so I can put a face with a name. So that was it and usually what's fucked up is, I will usually have a pretty good. It's close. The image that I will already have in my head is usually pretty close to what the person actually looks like.
Speaker 2:So we did the band, we did the story, those poor babies, we did this song. Tell us about what you're doing.
Speaker 1:Next, this is christmas yes, so I have two, uh two stories that are right around christmas time murder, uh murder cases that are right around christmas time so simply that's my that's. That's the one that we hate, and it's always in our head yeah, who's? Who's in that like a beavers? Yeah, paul mccartney. Yeah, why do I hate?
Speaker 2:that's the one that we hate and it's always in our head. Yeah, who's who's in that? Like a beale mccartney, yeah, why do I hate it so much? Because I want to see if you got my image right of this. Tell me, tell me about me in our first year.
Speaker 1:He was like what's your most hated christmas song? And I was like, well, tell me yours first. And he told me what his was and mine is actually the same, but it was he put. He was like I imagine this grown man living in a basement in footie pajamas, on a keyboard can't forget the stairs.
Speaker 2:There's like the wooden unfinished stairs down to the basement and the shitty shitty piano.
Speaker 1:And I was like jesse, it's actually paul mccartney. And he was like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:he had no idea all those years, like the whole time I'm picturing this guy wearing these like pajamas like john lennon actually sings my favorite christmas song.
Speaker 1:War is over. I love that Christmas song.
Speaker 2:I love the Beatles, but what's that movie that we've seen where the Beatles came back, but nobody knew who they were, so the guys like covering all their down. Oh God, that movie was so good, we talk about it all the time this guy comes back. He knows all the Beatles, but nobody else knows him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was a glitch in the Matrix and he wakes up yesterday. Yesterday, yeah, and the movie yesterday, so like nobody knows who the beatles are.
Speaker 2:It was so good I didn't know that that was one of the beatles doing that shit. I was like this crotchety old fucker in his basement playing safely in the piano.
Speaker 1:I was like but you know what, for the time, that was a correct sound I get it, but I don't get it I don't get it.
Speaker 2:It makes me every bone in my whole body just yeah, it wants to beat my own ass, I'm whipping my own ass.
Speaker 1:What's your least favorite christmas song?
Speaker 2:I know a lot of metalheads don't like christmas music period, but we do oh god, there's like so many cool metal music, christmas songs, trans-siberian orchestra oh God, tso has been.
Speaker 1:That's what. You know what? That's one of my most favorite episodes of the Office, where the episode has Dwight just fucking rocking out, because Dwight's my favorite. I'm a shrewd girl. 110%, yes, and that's the one right there, yes for sure, we love TSO we got to meet them all.
Speaker 2:Yes, we got to meet them.
Speaker 1:We've been to several of their shows. We just kind of stopped going. Jacksonville was bringing the same show over and over.
Speaker 2:There's a new one out this year. If you haven't been, go check out the new one, they always bring them back. But there's a new production that done in our favorite singer was Chloe.
Speaker 1:Chloe. That bitch had pipes, and I follow on Tik TOK.
Speaker 2:Who's the chick that played the fucking violin so good?
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't remember her name. I didn't follow them.
Speaker 2:I'm usually.
Speaker 1:I was the singer that does a chapter, not in Florida, because they have a couple different chapters, but I follow one on. Tiktok, where she just sings in her kitchen with her husband as the background, and the love that that man has for her voice. You can just see it in his eyes. Oh my gosh. He joins in sometimes and he's good too.
Speaker 2:When you're in there making a pound cake. That's my look for you.
Speaker 1:I made a cheesecake today and you helped.
Speaker 2:I had that look.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had to take Made a pumpkin cheesecake with ginger snap crust.
Speaker 2:I had to take four and a half shots over this Work Christmas party to win a contest. We were cooking a pound cake. No, we were cooking a cheesecake in the middle of doing this. I say we because I did help a little bit.
Speaker 1:He got the cream cheese out of the package for me. There we go. That's a we there, yep, for sure we we up in there and he helped me put up some vegetables that we needed to put up in the freezer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I weed all over all of that.
Speaker 1:That's helping, because that's something that I didn't have to do and you're gonna win first place, like you always do in your Christmas party competition. I cinnamon swirl pound cake also, so I'm gonna bring a pound cake and a cheesecake this year that lindsey does cakes by the pound.
Speaker 2:Check it out on facebook, facebook, whatever I don't if you are afar.
Speaker 1:I don't know about shipping, um we have it out, we have but that person sent me the materials. It was like a insulated yeah cake holder. Well, I mean, you can do that he sent me the material and with the we had the check inside.
Speaker 2:He hit us up. I sent it right back.
Speaker 1:He got it within 24 hours.
Speaker 2:It was great. I sent it to the UPS store the logistics of Lindsay's cake making. If you want one of the cakes from Lindsay, I do pound cakes, cheesecakes and cupcakes.
Speaker 1:I'm not about the fondant bullshit.
Speaker 2:You don't even have to go to her website.
Speaker 1:Go to ours, one of my besties also does cakes and cookies and stuff and she's like fondant is so easy. I'll teach you. I'm like I don't want to. My ADHD cannot handle decorating a cake like that. I'm a simple glaze. I make a really good whipped cream homemade whipped cream to put on my pound cakes. I make a glaze to put on the pound cakes. That's my extent. I don't want fondant hit her up and we'll see you guys, I will refer you to somebody else if you want a fondant cake hit her up.
Speaker 2:We'll see you guys next week. Can't wait to see it. Yeah, can't wait to hear it all the christmas stuff's coming to be the anderson family massacre so see you guys next week bye.
