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EPISODE 13: That's why he's the Man in Black
Ever wonder how a former military man transformed into one of music's most legendary icons? Join us as we enjoy a Friday with bourbon and White Claw, unraveling the profound legacy of Johnny Cash. From his poignant lyrics to his rebellious adventures, we explore every facet of the man in black. His dynamic relationship through candid letters, while tales of camaraderie with legends like Waylon Jennings enrich our narrative. Discover how Sam Phillips at Sun Records steered Cash from gospel aspirations to a rockabilly phenomenon and the myths surrounding his early career.
Our conversation also touches on the delightful chaos that comes with being a parent, with memories of family talent shows and the undeniable charm of Cash’s music legacy. Imagine Johnny Cash on tour with icons like Elvis Presley or Jerry Lee Lewis, but also battling exhaustion and the grip of amphetamines. The episode takes a deeper dive into his tumultuous personal life, from the unwavering support of his first wife, Vivian, to his notorious antics that included forest fires and infamous car crashes. We share anecdotes from the country music scene, including encounters with Merle Haggard, all while reflecting on the rich musical tapestry of Nashville.
In the final stretch, brace yourself for stories of resilience and near-death experiences that could rival any Hollywood thriller. From talking down hostage-takers in Jamaica to surviving a bizarre confrontation with an ostrich, Cash's life was nothing short of extraordinary. We wrap up by celebrating his impact on evolving music trends, from prison performances to friendships with presidents. As we tease the next episode's true crime focus on Tiffany Cole, we invite you to challenge your musical tastes, proving the transformative power of stepping out of your sonic comfort zone.
Hey Jesse, hello, happy Friday, lindsay, happy Friday. How are you Just fine. What are you drinking?
Speaker 2:Me, mm-hmm, bourbon, bourbon and Diet Dulce de Peppa.
Speaker 1:Yes, it goes good we have to enjoy it, you know, because it's January and we've got to go on a diet. No, seriously, we just we have to watch our blood sugar around these parts watch our blood sugar around these parts.
Speaker 2:I guess that's what it is, I don't know. Bourbon, there's a lot of sugar.
Speaker 1:I know well, you know you want to balance it out I prefer to watch my blood alcohol content only on the weekends guys, we're not alcohol, we're not alcoholics no, we're, we're not.
Speaker 2:So, hey, lindsey, what are you drinking?
Speaker 1:I'm having a peach white claw polished off a watermelon and a black cherry.
Speaker 2:Bam blam.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, and then I've got some hot tea over there. I'm drinking immunity tea right now because we have been on the funk. Yeah, and you brought me a mango white claw so I can join the claw with you. Rawr.
Speaker 2:Claw-age. I'll pop that here in a little bit.
Speaker 1:See, I think more of.
Speaker 2:Like eagle claw, yeah, like eagle claw Like a screeching eagle. I kind of like the old.
Speaker 1:And then, like the eagle's landing. It's a fucking badass song.
Speaker 2:Led Zeppelin is the shit they are.
Speaker 1:They are. Yeah, I like that. It's a fucking badass song. Led Zeppelin is the shit. They are, they are.
Speaker 2:So I just want to know what we're going to be drinking about.
Speaker 1:Today we're drinking about Johnny Cash.
Speaker 2:The man in black.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, the man in black, the man of very few chords too, as far as his playing style goes.
Speaker 2:But it was like a freight. What did they say in the?
Speaker 1:movie Sharp like a razor, steady like a train.
Speaker 2:Steady like a train.
Speaker 1:And it's true, he is Boom chick boom, Boom chick boom. That was his sound, that's his sound, it hits hard into your DNA. And it's all really about the lyrics with his.
Speaker 2:Because his lyrics were deep as shit. Yeah, perfect rockabilly, like it crosses over into so many genres, really.
Speaker 1:Right? Well, I'm going to fire off because I'm going to cover everything we're talking about.
Speaker 2:We'll let you fire off. I'm going to take a sip. Cheers everybody. Happy Friday.
Speaker 1:Yes, and this is, like I said in our Wednesday recap, just a little lighthearted before I get off into murder, murder, murder, murder adoption abduction murder some incest in there yeah. All right. I've got the next two months lined up and organized.
Speaker 2:I bet you're so excited to get some of these out. I am, I really am, because you've been firing these things. You've been doing such a great job at these. Thank you, seth, thank you, I mean Seth, thank you. I mean it's been phenomenal. Do, do, do, do, do. And I'm happy that you keep inviting me to come play with you.
Speaker 1:Yes, We'll hit that intro.
Speaker 2:We're best friends.
Speaker 1:Best friends.
Speaker 2:This is our sandbox.
Speaker 1:This is our sandbox conversations yeah, this is our sandbox conversations.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, but anyhow, here we go. Adult sandbox. So Lindsay, lindsay.
Speaker 3:Lindsay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, lindsay.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Johnny Cash though.
Speaker 1:Johnny Cash.
Speaker 2:What kind of dirt really. It's gotta be a lot of dirt. I'm going to get on there. There's gotta be a lot of drugs.
Speaker 1:I'm going to read off the scripts here it's gotta be a lot of dirt.
Speaker 2:I'm about to go in there.
Speaker 1:Dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt. So much.
Speaker 2:And you know the it's still part of the and he was joking around Still part of the highway. I think it was with Buddy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Waylon Jennings, oh yeah, and they were buds.
Speaker 2:They lived together for a while.
Speaker 1:But yeah, waylon Jennings said to Buddy Holly I hope your plane crashes. And Buddy Holly said and I bus.
Speaker 2:Or was it a car? It was a bus, it was a tour bus, and they both said that joke to me and that haunted Waylon for a long time yeah. And Richie Valens and all that. It was the day the music died.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Bye, bye, miss American Pie, fuck Anyhow.
Speaker 1:Fire off, girl. Dear listeners, many of you know a lot of crazy debacles of Johnny Cash by either being a fan or watching the 2005 film Walk the Line. Now me, I'm a huge Johnny Cash fan, which led me to read every book that I could find on him.
Speaker 2:She's more than huge, but yeah.
Speaker 1:I consider myself to have been a single mom for eight years, but I did date a couple of people here and there, but I was really completely single, a hundred percent single, for over a year and um other than taking care of my kids. I did a lot of reading and I read every book that I could find on Johnny Cash, and uh, one was, one book was Walked the Line by his first wife, vivian Liberto Cash. Then I read man in Black and Cash, which were written by him about him Straight from his mouth words Before anybody could get in there and mess with it.
Speaker 1:Well, man in Black was written, I think, in the 70s, and then Cash was written in the 90s, when he was much older, right Late 70s, and then Cash was written in the 90s, when he was much older, Right Late 90s. The insane things that this man did and lived through will make you believe he was really meant to be here as long as he was. His music was simple, yet amazing, all at the same time. Being described as the voice of truth, of wisdom, of thunder of America, something ancient, ageless from the bowels of the earth. He was steady like a train, sharp like a razor yes, he was. A lot of people think that Johnny and June Carter's romance was incredible, but if you read I Walk the Line, you'll think otherwise, and I encourage everybody to read these books. I mean, just even if you're not a Johnny Cash fan, they're good reads. They're just very interesting. I Walk the Line. Literally. She published every single letter that she kept for years and years and years.
Speaker 2:Everybody looks for a love story at the same time you know, and they can use that.
Speaker 1:Their love story was way more incredible to me. Yeah, because they wrote each other hundreds of letters and maintained a long distance relationship for years Because they only met. They met in 1951 and three weeks before he was going to be deployed with the Air Force Right. So yeah, and they wrote each other. She published all those letters in that book. The first half of the book is just letters between them two.
Speaker 2:They're correspondence?
Speaker 1:Yes, they're correspondence and then she after. So she picks up where, when he got honorably discharged and they got married right away.
Speaker 2:So Johnny didn't have like an Elvis-type military career. He actually did shit in the military.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, he was four years in.
Speaker 2:Yeah he wasn't a celebrity when he was in the military.
Speaker 1:No, and he was not drafted. I believe he joined. Yeah, yeah, Elvis was drafted, as far as I know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think he was like a drafted celebrity, but he was already a celebrity Johnny Cash was not a celebrity. Yeah, exactly, he was just a poor boy from Dyess, Arkansas. Still around closer to the same era right.
Speaker 1:Yes. Yeah because they toured together. I want to get into that. As soon as he was discharged in 1954, they married right away and started a family and they moved right to Memphis because he wanted to start his music career, which took off from the help of Sam Phillips from Sun Records.
Speaker 2:We all know that story. I know about Sun Records. Yes.
Speaker 1:His band members were him, luther Perkins on guitar and Marshall Grant on the upright bass, which I love so much and WS Hollywood didn't come way on until later on. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Later on he would have WS Holland on drums.
Speaker 2:So it was on the Tennessee 2, and then it became the Tennessee 3. Yeah, because I know a little bit about this stuff and having that music inside of you and especially if you go away and you're at war, and he started writing music over there too. He was writing songs over there.
Speaker 1:Now, one thing that pissed me off about myself in his books, everybody that heard him play music while he was over there and in the military, they all told him that he sounded like hank snow. I don't know who the fuck hank snow is and I've never heard his voice and I don't know why I haven't, because you know, I'm a deep diver and I should have already.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, and I mean obviously that was that was the popular name that the name sounds for yeah, it was well he was.
Speaker 1:Hank Snow was around the same time as Hank Sr.
Speaker 1:Okay, so yeah, he probably got he probably got lowered down a little bit because Hank Sr surpassed his career and he wasn't as known, but his voice was compared to that of Hank Snow and I cannot tell you because I haven't listened and I'm very disappointed in myself for not so. They wanted to play gospel music, but Sam encouraged them to play the rockabilly sound and his first record with hey Porter and Cry Cry Cry sold 100,000 copies and it wasn't until he broke away from the gospel music. Yeah, when he went from. But Sam was like fuck that, everybody's playing this shit. It's tired. It playing this shit, it's tired, it's old it's tired of it, yeah but he still had that gospel.
Speaker 1:You know good old time religion background.
Speaker 2:So kind of had to twist his arm into it right.
Speaker 1:Well, no, when he left sam and went to cbs records, that's when he played gospel music.
Speaker 2:He never did it under sam oh yeah, never did it under sam but sam twisted his arms out of gospel music into the rock and roll Because he was like I can't make you nothing with this sound, right, everybody sounds the same and that's what I hate about like Cookie cutter. Yeah, well, I was talking about.
Speaker 1:And if Sam hadn't have done that?
Speaker 2:I was talking about a country music band that they had a rocking kind of country sound that was more original and they got in the studio they made him sound like all the rest of the bands. But if sam hadn't pushed him in that he wouldn't have been who he was right at all. That's a good thing.
Speaker 1:So that's, yeah, that's a good thing. You know, you want to sing gospel music, do your thing. But sam was like everybody's doing this shit, bro, let's, let's, let's do something different exactly and that's what happened good stuff. So so, and unlike the movie, because the movie shows him singing, you know, the Folsom Prison Blues, but that's not what was on his first record. It was hey Porter and Cry, cry, Cry, and I love both of those songs. Yeah, hey Porter, hey Porter.
Speaker 2:And I remember watching your kids do that on YouTube.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they sang Get Rhythm. Yes, if you want to see my little older? My saying get rhythm. Yes, if you want to see my little older my now grown children, uh, seeing at their school talent show. It's on youtube. I was a dumb ass and was clapping while I'm videoing, so it's very shaky, but they said no, you were a proud mom.
Speaker 2:I was such a proud mom I was crying.
Speaker 1:They were so cute I went. I spent 115, spent $115 that day.
Speaker 2:Um, you got them at.
Speaker 1:JCPenney's to get them all all black outfits, black shoes. They were so cute and uh. But yes, on YouTube it's a Pope boys sing Johnny Cash and they're singing get rhythm at their school talent show.
Speaker 2:So cute, my uh, my youngest my youngest watches it all the time. He's like look at my brothers. I wish I was on the stage with him. I'm like you didn't even know them yet. Landon was like a foot tall.
Speaker 1:I swear he was so, so tiny he was a little taller. But they were all in elementary school and now they're all grown.
Speaker 2:It was such a long time ago Full grown Chewbacca's.
Speaker 1:Now I know, making babies and stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh God, we just had another baby.
Speaker 1:Yes. Grand baby number four for us, yes grand baby number four, catherine, louisanne, yay, all the three names. She's so small, she's so tiny A little Six pounds, 12 ounces, Tiny little thing, tiniest baby I've ever. Happy grandparents After he sold 100,000 copies. This led to tours with other successful musicians such as Jerry Lee Lewis, carl Perkins and Elvis Presley. Now, carl Perkins was the original singer of Blue Suede Shoes. Not a lot of people know that.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah so.
Speaker 2:Elvis bit off of that. Elvis bit off a lot of things.
Speaker 1:I don't think that there was any hard feelings with that. No, he was the original singer. That was his song.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, elvis was listening to a lot of African American and soul music, like that's where he got a lot of his feeling from, you know, and that's awesome.
Speaker 1:That's good stuff, though, like I've never been a really big Elvis fan. I'm, I've, I like literally everybody else that he toured with over him, but that elvis movie that they made was really spot on as far as the trap that he was in.
Speaker 2:He was literally him being caught in a trap. Yes, with.
Speaker 1:That's why he made the song with that fucker manager, that he that basically killed him yeah, made him just stay in vegas but we're on johnny tonight, so yeah, we'll talk about elvis day. So touring meant long nights driving, performing night after night and not a lot of energy to do it. So that's when Johnny was introduced to pills Amphetamines, dexedrine, benzadrine, which they called Benny's, and Dexamol.
Speaker 2:All the ups.
Speaker 1:These were what truck drivers would take to stay awake and what women would use as diet pills.
Speaker 2:Basically like a methamphetamine type thing.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to say this right now. I've been, you know, struggling battling with weight issues my entire life and I went on an amphetamine prescribed regimen for a while and I took one. And if I took more than one, according to my weight loss consultant, I would end up in the hospital. And when I go on to tell you how many pills this man took. So, like I said, I was prescribed one, so just remember that.
Speaker 2:I bet that was going ham.
Speaker 1:His first time was in 1957, when he was told he could go from Miami to Jacksonville and still want to have a good time. In his own words, johnny says they came in all colors. If you didn't like green you could get orange, if you didn't like orange you could get red. And if you were feeling really weird you could get the black ones. And the black ones would have you driving all the way to California in a 53 Cadillac with no sleep and I'm I'm guessing he's talking about from Florida to fucking California.
Speaker 2:So they're just riding shows, just non-sleep, just non-stop.
Speaker 1:And at first he would take the pills to get rid of the pre-performance butterflies, or instead he would have courage and confidence. His energy was multiplied and timing was superb. You could get this courage in a bottle of 100 for about $8 to $10. Wow, after some time the habit became a need. These pills would make him rage, pace the floor or drive recklessly. With a combination of the pills, alcohol and cigarettes, laryngitis became an issue and he would do quite a few shows barely whispering.
Speaker 2:Well, like most, of it was bad sleep.
Speaker 1:Because he already had a baritone voice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, any singers will say like the thing that kills your voice the most is not having good sleep.
Speaker 1:Yep, oh yeah, because when I'm tired my voice is raspy, like I already have a raspy voice, so when I'm tired it's like it just fucking. It really crusts. I remember when I was a teenager and we would be up and we would be up late, late, late, and when that voice would start to turn into frog sounds, I'm like I gotta go, I gotta sleep.
Speaker 2:What was that chick where she's singing this song and then she's like in the middle of it I forgot what song it was. It was like out of nowhere too. It was like a really low and then she goes back. I can't remember it now. Anyhow, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Sorry, lindsey I wish I knew what you were talking about.
Speaker 2:What was she singing? Oh, she was singing pretty as hell. And then all of a sudden she's like I don't know.
Speaker 1:Was she doing like exercises or something? No, it was on like TikTok or something. We'll have to find that later.
Speaker 2:Oh blah, it was so funny. Now I don't remember it, go ahead.
Speaker 1:At home, vivian and his four girls, roseanne, Kathy, cindy and Tara, had become frightened of him, and things were very tumultuous. Now in the movie, vivian is portrayed as a fucking Karen-ass bitch, but this was not the truth. Now I don't want to really talk bad about the movie because his son was the main person behind it, john Carter Cash, which was him and June's only child together. But she was not a bad person whatsoever.
Speaker 2:So put it this way Okay, you're from the military, you come back and you want to pursue what's in your heart, and this woman only dated him for three weeks in person and had a four-year relationship with him long distance.
Speaker 1:Married him right away then supported his fucking career.
Speaker 2:He got back.
Speaker 1:While he tried to become a door-to-door fucking carpet salesman Right and then went to work at a factory. She said that their landlord, if it hadn't have been for him, she don't know how they would have made it through the first fucking three years of their life together. Yeah, because he would give loans, extensions, things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it takes for music stardom and even if you have a good product, you know it takes a while Now they did move right to Memphis because that was like in their plans, in their letters you gotta move where it's hot.
Speaker 2:And so move where it's hot, right where it's hot, and so she supported him all the way up to his fame. So that's that's a good thing for her, but at the same time, it's going to always have problems. It's going to always cause problems. Anybody that's hitting the road nowadays you can get away with it because well he was an asshole he had to have been he was he was. He was selfish enough to the point where he got his he was selfish.
Speaker 1:High was selfish, high cheating-ass motherfucker. He was a piece of shit. Yeah for sure, and she had been very supportive of his career and went on tours with him as much as possible.
Speaker 2:So kudos to her, though.
Speaker 1:Yes, she was an amazing woman, like I said y'all read I Walked the Line by Vivian Roberto Cash. 100% read that book, it'll change your mind about everything Again. I said she had been very supportive of his career, went on tours with him as much as possible until his other life took over, and then Vivian would stay at home with the girls. Johnny would be extremely destructive while on the pills, destroying furniture at home, rooms and hotels, sometimes entire floors. I remember one excerpt from his book where Merle Haggard had actually told him he was like I ain't got shit to say to you, bro. This was on a plane Because you tore up an entire wing of a hotel that I was supposed to stay at on tour and we had to go out and find another fucking room that was not booked because of your ass. Wow, like yeah, and Merle Haggard was. He had his own demons too, now, hag was something else.
Speaker 2:So for Merle Haggard to say that yeah, hag was something else and that's one of my favorite country music artists and he has a little rockabilly in him too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're about like. You're like Merle Haggard, like I am about Johnny. Yeah, I love Haggard, but you haven't went in. Well, it's been my dad's personal thing with Hag. I'm so glad you got to take him, yes.
Speaker 2:And we got to see his tour bus and his kids played a lot that last show and he was really late to that last show that we seen Hag at and his kids played like 45 minutes before Merle even showed up. Damn yeah, and he showed up. I mean he played a good 15 songs after that.
Speaker 1:And he passed away shortly after that Shortly after that. Yeah, I know, I remember you saying I don't ever want to go see Willie Nelson because he's going to die right after I see him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's the last one, Because we've actually had that happen to us quite a few times. He's the last one out of that era. That's a lot to me.
Speaker 1:Jerry Lee Lewis no, he died too, didn't he?
Speaker 2:Yeah, everybody's gone.
Speaker 1:No, I think Jerry Lee Lewis might still be alive.
Speaker 2:He ain't playing, come on, he is.
Speaker 1:He is he's doing locally. I actually was talking to a man when we were.
Speaker 2:You better look that shit up, because I want to know this, because I thought he had no he did.
Speaker 1:He just died in 2022. But he was alive before we made our trip.
Speaker 2:Everybody's gone.
Speaker 1:When we made our trip to Tennessee to go to Johnny Cash's grave, to Hendersonville, this man that I was waiting on was like well, you might as well go on down the road and go see Jerry Lee Lewis's house. He did. He lived right next to Johnny and we didn't do that.
Speaker 2:We had a lot to do, though we did go up by where his house was. Yes, you couldn't even tell, but Johnny's had burned down a long time ago. I didn't know that I mean.
Speaker 1:I knew that. I told you that.
Speaker 2:While we were going up, I was just like no, I told you before we left, was it?
Speaker 1:Because I knew that. I had known that for a couple of years, before we even met.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because me and the boys we got to see his grave and then we went to the museum in Nashville.
Speaker 1:Because before you and I met it was actually my plan to take the boys on that trip, Right, but I was single mom and then money was tight.
Speaker 2:I enjoyed the trip. Oh yeah, that was amazing. Nashville's becoming a little bit more rock and roll now, you know.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we got to do the whole Johnny Cash Museum, we got to see the Ryman.
Speaker 2:That was fucking awesome. Tell them about the gift that I got you.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so Valentine's Day in our first year of our relationship, Jesse comes home with a guitar with a signed pickguard, signed by Johnny and June.
Speaker 2:And that was fucking amazing. I bought the pickguard it was like johnnycashcom mnbrigacom and it was half off because there was a little hairline scratch through one of the autographs.
Speaker 1:And I was like you can't see it at all.
Speaker 2:You can barely see it. I'll post a picture of it in our story. You know, I couldn't help it, though. I was just like I want to buy the guitar that goes with this, which was a Telecaster.
Speaker 1:And then we have.
Speaker 2:Yellow Telecaster Pit Guard is what it was, and I'm sure he probably sat there and they probably both sat there and signed a hundred of them you know, I was just like.
Speaker 1:And then the drum head with WS Holland.
Speaker 2:Yep, I've got a whole little.
Speaker 1:Johnny Cash corner.
Speaker 2:I'll post a picture of it in our stories. Yeah, she's like. I really thought you were going to propose to me that day.
Speaker 1:Because he was building it up so high. I couldn't help it. It was amazing stuff, though.
Speaker 2:This was Johnny and Johnny Cash was really she had taught me, but I really had no idea that that was what was on his heart to get me, which was adorable, absolutely fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 1:And it's 13 years later, well, almost 13 years later, and it was like nine years later, we well almost 13 years later, and it was like nine years later when you told me that, that you were like I just told you that, like last year, was it? Yeah, yeah, right before we got married, yeah, you were like I thought you were gonna propose to me that day yeah, and I was like, would you have said yes? He didn't propose to me till nine years later. She said.
Speaker 1:She said yeah, said yes then, yeah, sure would have that was really cool okay. So where was I at All? Right? So he was destroying furniture at home, rooms in hotels, sometimes entire floors, cars and so much more. His habit increased. Are you ready to about 100 pills a day, a day, lindsay, a day? How do you?
Speaker 2:live. What did I tell you? There's only one way you can fucking live. There's only one way he would take half amphetamines and half barbiturates every day up and down, up and down up and down that's more than a roller coaster.
Speaker 1:That's I don't, I don't and he lived through that, but it wasn't a nice life. It wasn't a nice life.
Speaker 2:So in 1965- how did you not like kill yourself, your family? How did he not die? How did he not die?
Speaker 1:I like I said on on my one pill I would be raging and that's why I had to stop taking them. I was a monster on one fucking pill he couldn't. I no longer trusted my own self after one pill, because I would just get so angry, especially the calm down on those. He had to be spinning around and popping one of them every 15 minutes, those of y'all that have to take ADHD medication and Adderall and shit. It's like the comedown off of that.
Speaker 2:So he's drinking them while with alcohol.
Speaker 1:Right With this one or any of you ladies that have been on Adipex, or men, you know what I'm talking about this dude was taking 50 of those a day and then 50 downers.
Speaker 2:Probably never sat down.
Speaker 1:Now, that's his own words and that might be exaggerated, but I don't think that it was because, oh God, Like I said, he would tear up entire floors of hotels, Floors.
Speaker 2:Because I'm sure all his band had to have different rooms and shit. Well, in the 50s, hotels were somewhat smaller.
Speaker 1:But fancier, they took more pride in them. Yeah, they took way more pride in them, fancier yeah, they took way more pride in them.
Speaker 2:He was staying in like 1800s, early 1900s, built probably motels, hotels.
Speaker 1:Or brand new ones that had just been built that year and just fucking them up Just what a mess, I know.
Speaker 1:Now in 1965, appearing as a special guest at the Opry, and this part is in the movie, but it ends a little different than what they put in there. His voice was gone and he was down to about 165 pounds, which is thin for a man. When the band kicked off, he couldn't get the timing right, which caused him to go into an absolute fucking rage. He took the mic stand, threw it down and dragged it all along the edge of the stage, popping about 50 or 60 footlights, and this, of course, got him kicked right off the Opry.
Speaker 2:And guess who wrote a song about it? Merle Haggard.
Speaker 1:Yes, he did. Yes, he did. I was about to say Merle, yeah.
Speaker 2:You look at me and you're like, is it Merle?
Speaker 1:Yeah, looked at me. You're like is it real? Yeah, that was. That was the little silence between there. She looked over, she's like, and I'm like yeah, yeah. So he drove away. So in the in the movie it shows him like passing out and he has to go to the hospital right away. That's not what happened. So he actually drove away and he was crying really bad and he was fucking pissed off at himself crying raging that's the super bowl of their music at that time.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you play at the Opry.
Speaker 1:And you get kicked off the fucking Opry. And he was a special guest. He had already been a regular for years, at 65. Yeah, because he started in 55 singing. That's when his career took off.
Speaker 2:When you get kicked out of the Ryman. You had to be huge enough to keep going.
Speaker 1:You know what just fucking came to my fucking head. My parents were born the year that man, his career took off and they're 70 now, so that's such a long time ago. Right, this is crazy. Okay, so he was crying and it was raining and plus he was under the influence and he swerved and crashed into a tree, breaking his nose and jaw. Yes, later on, johnny met Charlie Pride, who was a black country singer on his way to success. They hung out, sang some songs together, and Charlie mentioned that he would love to be on the Grand Ole Opry, but he really didn't think that he was going to be a Violet because of the color of his skin, right yeah.
Speaker 1:So I guess he hadn't heard about Johnny's recent banning and being drunken on pills. Johnny lied right to his face and said hey, I'll get you on the Opry. Charlie was so excited and Johnny made his promise over and over during their encounter and later on Charlie confronted him about that shit.
Speaker 2:It was like you embarrassed me with that, bro, but he did make it to the property I was fixing to say I know I've seen Charlie up there on stage.
Speaker 1:So Charlie did it without Johnny Cash.
Speaker 2:Yeah, rightfully so, and he really was a forefront person for a lot of different people, not just African-Americans. Like Charlie was a revolutionary for that music and his style was really good.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, it was really good stuff, really good, really good stuff. So Johnny would go on to crash many cars, and I mean actually every single one that he owned, every single one.
Speaker 2:And it was always under the influence.
Speaker 1:There's a biopic, the destruction of methamphetamines. So he crashed Elvis's car, one of June's cars, maybe two, I don't remember. One of the most famous crashes was that of old Jesse.
Speaker 2:Old Jesse.
Speaker 1:Old Jesse, so that's what he called his camper truck.
Speaker 2:Oh, you know, one time I did get to sit in an Elvis Presley's car.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cadillac, this guy had an old one and he, um, he's like, go on, get in that car, man. It's really cool, man, check this car. I was got a lot of history behind it. I got at it and he's like, look down at that title.
Speaker 1:He had the title in the other seat, crazy. I mean, like I said, it wasn't in a museum, nothing dude just had, but anyhow, that was just. You know, um. But there is a movie that's um out right now. I'm gonna we're gonna have to watch it when it comes on tv, but it's with. It's about bob dylan and you know, bob dylan and johnny cash were buds and he they. There's a actor that is playing the part of johnny cash and their friendship and I'm so excited to see it because, um, what? Uh, we me and the boys were at Sam's when they were younger and Dalton came running up to me my oldest, he's like mom, look what I found and it was a Johnny Cash Essentials uh CD and it had all different kind of like collabs that he'd done with so many different people and one was uh with him and Bob Dylan, and I love that fucking song.
Speaker 2:Bob Dylan wrote a lot of songs. Yes, bob Dylan wrote so many songs, so Jesse was his camper van.
Speaker 1:Camper truck. All right, so this crash, and actually I'm not a hundred percent sure if it okay. So the story that Johnny told was that he took the camper out with his nephew. They started a fire to keep warm, but there is pictures of this crashed truck and the exhaust started a fire.
Speaker 1:Now, on this particular crash, he started a forest fire in Las Padres National Forest. It was like I said the blaze from a faulty exhaust system tore through 500 acres and drove out many of the majestic California condors that were in refuge, which is basically a buzzard, but they were in refuge.
Speaker 2:Anybody else though?
Speaker 1:Hold on.
Speaker 2:Oh, keep on cracking. No-transcript. Oh, keep on cracking.
Speaker 1:No, nobody else was hurt, but he was arrested for this and he was the first person in history to be sued by the government, and the government won.
Speaker 2:The federal government sued him.
Speaker 1:Sued him because it was an asshole for us.
Speaker 2:So this far up into his career. He's just been destructive.
Speaker 1:Destructive as fuck An asshole cheating piece of shit to his wife. Not Constructive as fuck An asshole cheating piece of shit to his wife. Not a great dad to his daughters. You know, just Complete selfish. Completely selfish, and he's also trying to pursue pretty much a relationship with June Carter while fucking other bitches all at the same time, so she's already came around to the picture. She's already came into the picture.
Speaker 2:Well, of course, the grand ol' opera, but she was married too to other people, a couple of other guys.
Speaker 1:She joined their caravan, their touring group, everything. She sang with him a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, touring all night. So in his deposition, this is how it went. The deposer, I guess, is what you would call it Did you start the fire, johnny? No, my truck did and it's dead, so you can't question it. The Did you start the fire, johnny? No, my truck did, and it's dead, so you can't question it. The deposer Do you feel bad about it? Johnny said well, I feel good right about now. The deposer how do you feel about driving all of those condors out of refuge, johnny? You mean those big yellow buzzards? Yes, mr Cash, those yellow buzzards. Johnny, I don't give a damn about your yellow buzzards. Why should I care? Could you?
Speaker 2:imagine how this would look on TV now.
Speaker 1:Like if we were. He's probably twitching, tweaking, yeah, geeking, oh, geeking out.
Speaker 2:Jerking biting, Wanting to punch somebody in the face. If that was to happen now, like okay, imagine us having the technology that we have now back then and that being on YouTube or like the Amber Heard.
Speaker 1:It would be everywhere and, johnny Depp, it would be on every social media platform.
Speaker 2:We're launching jerk and twerk.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:He's probably like leaning over, popping a pill at least every 15 minutes. He had to have been while he was there, like goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:So in the end he was actually fined $125,000, which is like well over a million dollars in today's money. But he would still go on to turn over two tractors, a bulldozer, he sank two boats and even jumped from a moving truck right before it went over a 600-foot cliff in.
Speaker 2:California, so he was just everywhere, just devastating.
Speaker 1:Fucking hell.
Speaker 2:He's a rock star man. Now it's not cool, but it's kind of.
Speaker 1:I'm actually glad our rock stars now are a little more on the sober side and drinking hot tea and shit. They're way different, yeah.
Speaker 2:They're way different. Imagine Motley Crue, the shit that they've done. No.
Speaker 1:They were disgusting.
Speaker 2:But they didn't do it like Cash did.
Speaker 1:No Fucking that much but the girls, though, Literally the girls.
Speaker 2:That's just nasty as fuck, everybody got it In front of everybody.
Speaker 1:They were getting it in Youngins. Yeah, that was one thing you can say about Johnny Cash. He didn't fuck with no little girls, little girls, yeah and uh. Yeah, there ain't no shit like that out there about him, but he fucks with some pills.
Speaker 2:This bourbon is good. Yeah, this is good. This is a good little mix Rattle, rattle, rattle, rattle.
Speaker 1:He was arrested a total of seven times, which he calls seven one night stands. He was arrested for trespassing in he wrote a song about this.
Speaker 3:I should have bought you flowers.
Speaker 1:So drug smuggling this is one of his most famous ones, when he had the amphetamines in his guitar going from Mexico to El Paso Reckless driving and drug possession. So he was arrested until seven times. For all of those, he wasn't the outlaw that most people think that he was, but he did have seven one-night stands in jail. In jail that's what he called seven one-night stands.
Speaker 2:Seven one-nighters in jail, okay, okay, I was like he never did more than one night. Did he have like one night? Did he have chicks coming over in jail?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no. Like different chicks, no, like that's, that beats Motley Crue. He had seven one night stays in jail, stays, okay. He never did more than one night.
Speaker 2:I thought well, you're like one night stands, I'm like he's in jail. Is there seven different chicks that came over that night and banged him?
Speaker 1:No, that's, he wasn't nasty like that and he was nasty, but not like that.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, you know, he wasn't Motley Crue nasty I know, I know I keep bringing up Motley Crue, johnny Cash, which has nothing to do with each other.
Speaker 1:No, that was 20 years, 30 years later, 30 years later.
Speaker 2:But still like he was really paving the way for that rock star mentality.
Speaker 1:Motley Crue took it to a whole different level. So in 1966 Vivian had had enough of his drug habit, infidelity and reckless behavior. She pretty much had to babysit him while at home because he would have hallucinations constantly and would talk to people that were not there. All the time she talks about him in her book. He talks about him in his book like that was real.
Speaker 1:That's 100% verified is that true hello so, and she would have to stay awake until he would fall asleep to make sure that lit cigarettes would not fall out of his mouth and burn their fucking house down, because his other guitarist, luther, actually died from that. Luther fell asleep really with a cigarette in his mouth and burned his whole fucking house down and died with it. That's when he ended up getting car Perkins as a as a guitarist later on. Okay, Like I said, boys is going hard, hard.
Speaker 2:And they didn't have to, though no, they could have. They could have eased up the schedule. It didn't have to be that strenuous. Why? But you know how it is when people get famous.
Speaker 1:They're pop, fucking with, with tiktokers that do fucking makeup. They've got such a tight schedule and then they'll make a fucking video and be like my mental health sucks. I have to slow down. I can't do this right now. I'm in a bad spot. I'm in a bad place, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I love y'all, I gotta take a break. Yeah, if you're still going on now you've taken, if you take your fame in strides, you can. You can prolong a career way longer and do it healthier, and that's what people are doing now for sure, on the road and everything Like you said if you go out there and get famous, make your own fucking terms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Literally just slow that shit down a little bit, you know, do it strategically.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't, you don't have to hit every time.
Speaker 1:Sacrifice your family and mental health for any of that.
Speaker 2:No, slow it down a little. We'll hit your mango white claw over here one time.
Speaker 1:So, like I said, Vivian was done living like this and she divorced him. So then he and June Carter. She hung out that long, yeah, so they married in 54. They met in 51. They married in 54, and this was 1966. Wow, yeah, so she hung out for a long time. So then he and June would go on to be together and her and her family would actually dedicate a lot of time on getting him clean and they stayed in his house house with him and kept anyone shady away.
Speaker 2:There's an excerpt from his book man in black to describe his detox and I'm gonna read that from the movie with him like being posted up in the house trying.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm gonna read in his words how he describes the detox, because it's it's it insane. It was the same nightmare every night, as it affected my stomach. I'm reading Johnny Cash's words, I suppose because the stomach was where the pills had landed, exploded and done their work. I'd be lying in bed on my back, curled up on my side. The cramps would come and go and I'd roll over, doze off and go to sleep. Then, all of a sudden, a glass ball would begin to expand in my stomach.
Speaker 1:My eyes were closed, but I could see it. It would grow to the size of a baseball, a volleyball, then a basketball, and about the time I felt the ball was twice the size of a basketball. It lifted me up off the bed so he would literally feel like he was levitating from detoxing. It was a strange state of half asleep and half awake. I couldn't open my eyes and I couldn't close them. It lifted me up off the bed to the ceiling and then it would go through the roof. The glass ball would explode and tiny, infinitesimal, anyway tiny slivers of glass would go out into my bloodstream from my stomach. I could feel the pieces of glass being pumped through my heart, into the veins of my arms, legs, my feet, my neck and my brain, and some would come out of the pores of my skin.
Speaker 2:So those are just him describing the DTs of everything.
Speaker 1:Then I would float back down through the ceiling onto my bed and wake up. I'd turn over on my side for a while, unable to sleep, and then I would lie on my back, doze off, almost go to sleep, and then the nightmare would come again. It'd come again, yeah. So this would be an ongoing fight with him, with sobriety, and he would have many relapses. This story just blew my mind. So Vivian says in her book that when Johnny and June had been seeing each other in secret and Vivian would turn a blind eye, he actually came home after a drunken night with a couple of friends and said I wrote this song called Ring of Fire, but I'm going to give the writing credits to June. So when Vivian asked why, he said well, june needs the money and I feel sorry for her. Vivian asked why he said well, june needs the money and I feel sorry for her. So of course I mean he would just throw June and Vivian's face so much, like it was. It was a thing, it was, it was still holding.
Speaker 2:It was so disrespectful he was very disrespectful to Vivian.
Speaker 1:Wow, but the truth was Johnny wrote ring of fire, not June, and he wrote it drunk as shit. And it not June and he wrote it drunk as shit and it was actually about a woman's vagina.
Speaker 2:I heard that and they were saying I told you that years ago, yeah and they were saying that it was actually about the whole burning with the truck venereal disease they were saying it was like the burning with the truck thing at first is what I heard originally. Well, what Vivian says in her book was.
Speaker 1:he was singing literally about a burning ring of fire, so that means a woman with a disease.
Speaker 2:A vagina. A vagina, a burning twat.
Speaker 1:So later. So anyway, so June does. She got the royalties from that. And then I also read that he put that in June's name. That way Vivian couldn't get the royalties, royalty rights, off of that, because when they divorced she got half the royalties off of everything he wrote. So she was set for life.
Speaker 2:So he was giving June the credit.
Speaker 1:But I'm like why would he just do that with one song? But no, he had. That was before they got divorced. So he gave June the credit so she would get money from that to help her because she was struggling in her singing career. She was more of a comedian. I watched so many videos. She was very funny, but I just don't think that her.
Speaker 2:And who? Was it Reese? This is my humble opinion Reese that played in the movie. I don't think that she portrayed it really well. Was it Reese Witherspoon?
Speaker 1:Yes, but Reese can sing. But Reese can sing. I don't think that June's voice was great.
Speaker 2:No At all, and I remember hearing June on TV and singing and stuff. It wasn't that great. No, she would just be like, oh, it's going to be goofy Her sister Bonita, like she says in the movie, literally had the pipes.
Speaker 1:Bonita, yeah, she literally had the pipes. But June's was more of just, you know, your average, just voice there, your average, just voice it was, there was nothing special about it but Johnny loved her, which was perfect for country music, but at the same time it wasn't really.
Speaker 2:it didn't stand out.
Speaker 1:No, and without Johnny she probably I was seeing her with like Porter Wagner and stuff and and and stuff, even on the grand.
Speaker 1:But she was more of a comedian and she was part of the Carter family, so she had right of passage like right away, Like I said later on, Johnny and June. After they got married and had John Carter Cash, he still battled with relapses and he called the pills the deception. In 1981, he had been given some painkillers after an eye surgery and then kept taking them when he really didn't need to, and it escalated after he was almost killed by an ostrich. An ostrich, yeah. So let me push through this story here.
Speaker 1:So he had made an exotic animal park near the House of Cash which was, like their main headquarters, their office recording studio, and later on it went on to be a museum. That winter was really, really cold. This was 81. And they had lost the hen of the pair because she wouldn't let them capture her and be taken into the barn. So she froze to death. So this pissed her mate right off, and I don't know if y'all know this, but ostriches can be aggressive as fuck.
Speaker 2:And they are deadly Fucking bird.
Speaker 1:So before this he had never given Johnny any problems. But that day when Johnny approached him he crouched down spreading his wings and was hissing at him. So Johnny went to get a stick and shoo him off, because I guess he was like blocking Johnny from going to the other animals and checking on them. And the ostrich came at him and Johnny tried to swing the stick at him and before Johnny knew it the big ass bird flew in the air and came down on him, splitting open his stomach with his claw. And if Johnny hadn't had been wearing a big old belt with a big solid buckle, it would have been fatal, like it would have.
Speaker 2:So this is like one of the 1900 times that he should have died Should have died.
Speaker 1:This is another. So.
Speaker 2:And then Johnny also fell 81, though he times that he should have died, should have died. This is another. So what the hell?
Speaker 1:And then Johnny also fell In 81, though he fell back, he had to be like almost 60 then right, no.
Speaker 2:How old was he then?
Speaker 1:Oh God, Hold on 81?. I'm not sure, but he was up there because he died in 2003 and he was he was getting up there, I think he was 71 when he shouldn't have made it to like 40. He shouldn't have made it right, jesus. So he also fell from being hurt. He fell on his back and that made him break a total of five ribs.
Speaker 2:On top of the guts hanging out. Ostrich standing over top of him like on the kitty. Again, Ostriches have to do that. They got some big ass claws on their feet.
Speaker 1:The claws are deadly.
Speaker 2:And they'll kick the shit out of you.
Speaker 1:That's what they do Especially when they're mate, because I guess they're one of those that, like, they're very mating, you know.
Speaker 2:Oriented like they got to yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So he went to the hospital and got stitched up, but he had a lot of healing to do, so he was back on painkillers and he was going around to different doctors to keep him coming. Yes, so this habit continued on to 1983, and the hallucinations were back In Nottingham, on tour. He was bitten by a poisonous spider which ended up needing a surgery Nottingham. So on the way to the surgery.
Speaker 2:Did you just say Nottingham, for real, nottingham, nottingham. So on the way to the surgery, did you just say Nottingham for real. Nottingham Answering clan to believe.
Speaker 1:We love Nottingham, nottingham, robin Hood.
Speaker 2:Robin Hood, all the Robin Hood, yeah, the Disney version. We like the Kevin Costner too. Every Robin Hood they've ever done.
Speaker 1:I actually only like the Kevin Costner version of Robin.
Speaker 3:Hood because of the soundtrack.
Speaker 1:Brian Adams. Man, that song is a legacy? Yeah, it is, but anyways, I'm not going to break out into song right now.
Speaker 3:We got to feed our child, so we're going to get through this.
Speaker 1:So on the way to the surgery he was like I don't think they're going to give me enough medication, so I'm going to take a shit ton of pills with me, and this included Percodans, amphetamines and Valium. So when he was in the hospital he also had to have some intestines and parts of his stomach and spleen removed because of internal bleeding from the poison.
Speaker 1:I'm guessing and it does say that in the book, but he it doesn't specify what it's from- well, they just got gashed the hell open, they're gonna have to splice and well, this was two years later after the that oh, he got bit by a poisonous spider and not, and then in nottingham naughty spider yes so well he decided to hide all his volume, not for cash.
Speaker 2:For cash I mean cash, but yes, Fucking hell.
Speaker 1:So he decided to hide all of his valium under his bandages and two days later they couldn't get him up. So the valium had dissolved all the valium that he had. He called it like a card I don't know what the fuck that means, but it was a lot. They dissolved into his room and they were also giving him a morphine drip in his IV.
Speaker 1:And so here comes one of the he said one of his most vivid hallucinations ever. So he hallucinated that an entire fight crew detached the wing of the hospital that he was in and took flight over Nashville.
Speaker 2:A flight crew.
Speaker 1:Yeah, over the Cumberland River and more to the countryside. He was having full-on conversations with the whole flight crew and fearing that the commandos were coming.
Speaker 2:That's a pretty river. We've seen the Cumberland.
Speaker 1:River together yeah it's gorgeous. So even hallucinating that commandos were going to kill his entire family and one had a gun to John Carter's head. But there's a reason why that I'm going to go back to. But then, after this, after this whoo, that hallucination, his entire family got him into the Betty Ford clinic.
Speaker 2:So you put him in a padded room. Let him figure this shit out Now this is why he hallucinated this.
Speaker 1:Previous, on Christmas Day in 1982, he had some trauma happen to him and his family. Now he and June had an estate in Jamaica called Cinnamon Hill and on Christmas Day he and about 20 friends and family were just about to sit down to dinner. Now the doors weren't locked and they didn't have security. At this point, three armed robbers came bursting through the doors. One had a knife and one had a hatchet and one had a gun. Their first words were somebody's going to die here tonight. And they all got on the floor and June tried to hide her ring. The one with the gun said we want a million dollars or somebody's going to die.
Speaker 1:Johnny remained calm. The rest of his group did not. But Johnny remained calm and looked up at the gunman and said you know that your government would not allow us to bring a million dollars into this country, even if we had it, which we don't. But if you don't hurt us, you can have everything you've got. And the gunman said well, you've got money. And Johnny said yes, we do, but not a million dollars. They had several thousand and June's jewelry in a briefcase under their bed. So the rest of the group, like I said, was not doing okay because they had people range and all over the place in ages. There were some old ladies with them and one old lady was screaming that she was going to have a heart attack. Like she's verbally saying I'm not doing good here. This is crazy, I know, I know.
Speaker 1:This is like 455,000 times that he should have died this will be the last story that I talk about, but I encourage y'all to read these books. Your mind will be fucking blown the shit that went on. Like I said I could have a whole Johnny Cash podcast. Yeah, I Like. I said I could have a whole Johnny. Cash podcast. Yeah, I think his son actually does have one, so maybe he talks about some of his debacles.
Speaker 2:There's some shit right there already, whoa.
Speaker 1:So then June started losing it also and she said that she was having chest pains, and they all started removing their watches and jewelry. The gunman said everybody do as I say, or John Carter is going to die. And they put a gun to John Carter's head. Wow, and he was only 11 years old. Wow, that's Silas' age. That's our baby's age, yeah.
Speaker 2:Down there in their little Jamaica hovel and just living it up. Yeah, it's a nice place.
Speaker 1:John could recognize addiction in these men and figured that they were junkies. They spent two hours going through the house, all while holding a gun to John Carter's head, and the hatchet wielding assailant cut a clump of June's hair off. John begged them please take the gun away from John Carter's head, while telling them where all of the valuables were. The gunman even asked John Carter questions like what do you do down here? What do you like about Jamaica? Do you snorkel? And John Carter would actually answer him calmly. And the gunman even said this is a real gun I've got against your head, you know. And John said yes, I know, I go hunting with my dad and I know about guns. Yes, I know, I go hunting with my dad and I know about guns.
Speaker 1:So the gunman said do you want to fill my gun? John Carter said no, sir, I don't play with guns. I've got a lot of respect for them. They are dangerous. And the gunman said I like you man. John Carter says thank you, sir. And they got their loot and took everyone to the basement. Then they came back and said well, we want you people to have your Christmas dinner after all. We don't want to take that away from you and slipped a plate of turkey under the door.
Speaker 3:And John Carter like just started eating right away.
Speaker 1:He was a hungry little boy.
Speaker 2:That's something Silas would do no shit Like he would have went through all that shit Like traumatized. I don't think our kid would have been really fucked up.
Speaker 1:He would have ate that turkey. He's been waiting two hours while these fuckers are getting stealing all his daddy's shit.
Speaker 2:Goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:So after a while, Johnny and the men other men that were in the group they broke down the door and called the police. The gunman actually died while resisting arrest and everything that was stolen was returned to them. And Johnny says that he actually agreed for these men because the other two, he's pretty sure, were shot down like like dogs, like in the street, because it's Jamaica. Third, world. Well, yeah, he was like you know, uh, I feel that need and he was just, he was grateful that no one he could relate he related a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:And if he wouldn't have had that financial stability to be able to get that, he would have probably done the same shit.
Speaker 1:Because at this point they had started actually becoming like missionary type people because they joined like up with Billy Graham and stuff, the whole Carter family's down there, and it was a whole Christian thing, yeah, and then Johnny's family too, Like his sister Reba fuck Jamaica, I'm never coming back.
Speaker 1:But they kept their house. But they just kept it guarded. After that they had guards and security. But he knew life was hard for many in Kingston because it was their world. But Johnny Cash did eventually end his run with drugs and continued being a voice for the downtrodden. He went from being the son of a poor carton farmer to a military man, junkie, rock star, country singer, actor, writer, activist for Native Americans.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1:And to a chill grandpa until his death in September 2003, which was due to complications of diabetes.
Speaker 2:Wow, Wow, and I remember hearing a lot of when I did Powwows. A lot they played Johnny Cash. I've told you this before yeah. They played that because he has an album and he talks about all of the stuff that he did? He talks about the.
Speaker 1:Native Americans and the things, and it wasn't anything that he wanted to be glorified for. He just he wanted to be a person for their culture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he was in that album that I've heard so many times over and over again. Oh, I'm sure it was. Just he was using it really as a platform to to talk to let people know. And now it's, it's it the. The way that he did that album is now it wouldn't be accepted If you, if you, play that same album now. It would be offensive to Native Americans now. But then they were just very glad that he was.
Speaker 2:They were just getting there, and then he was talking about things and the Native Americans, but how he did it in the album now would not fly.
Speaker 1:Well, a lot Shit. There's stuff that came out 10 years ago that wouldn't fly now.
Speaker 2:It was cringy to me at Powwows then and I was like this is kind of cringy but like people that you know, but he probably did that in what the 60s and 70s. Yeah, yeah, yeah it was good then, it was golden then and they were just happy that they were putting out some material and some information about Native Americans and giving them respect and at that time, which it was very respectful, you know.
Speaker 1:But now to do it in that same fashion and that it wouldn't fly. So, but so what is your favorite, johnny?
Speaker 2:cash song, my favorite johnny cash song. You know, I like the, I like the one that he did with the. Uh, the trent resner stuff, right oh hurt, yeah, I like that one I love the way that you're not a fan Like portrayed it like um uh older Johnny cash, though Um I like get rhythm.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it just it feels like that. And then you know, of course, the, the cocaine, uh cocaine blues, that's my favorite, I like that.
Speaker 3:And that.
Speaker 1:Cadillac song, oh my God, where he talks One piece at a time and it didn't cost me a dime.
Speaker 2:But you know what?
Speaker 1:Cocaine Blues like me, and you both light up on that one.
Speaker 2:I think I did a TikTok to that song too, because I love we dig that one. I love it's not that we under.
Speaker 1:Early one morning I'm making my rounds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I took a shot of cocaine and I shot
Speaker 1:my woman down. Okay, I'll stop singing. Don't see me, I get it.
Speaker 2:I get it, but we haven't never lived any of that. No, we've never lived any of that. Our biggest thing is a little bit of a hangover.
Speaker 1:I love the beat, I love all of it, it's driving.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's driving.
Speaker 1:But do you know what one is in my head like rent-free all the time? It's the one he sings about the fucking cotton farm. How high is the water, mama?
Speaker 3:Two feet high and rising. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:I don't know why, but that one lives rent-free. And then there's one that he does about a post-apocalyptic world. He does a song with U2.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, and.
Speaker 1:U2 don't sing a fucking word, they just do that the music you know. So yeah, that pretty much wraps up my story on um. Oh, johnny cash there, little like I said it was very good.
Speaker 2:I didn't know if they were going to be any murder or anything like that, but with the Jamaica thing, really it With the Jamaica thing really it was a big debacle right there. There was probably a whole podcast we could do just on that if we really deep dived into it. Oh yeah, so, yeah. So terrorizing and fucking up shit and staying on drugs and nearly dying 500,000 times.
Speaker 1:So many times.
Speaker 2:And that fucking big ass turkey.
Speaker 1:The pills alone should have killed him Not counting all the crashes boat sinking equipment turnovers.
Speaker 2:He was going ham. Fuck Johnny, johnny was going ham Shouldn't have made it past 40. But that's really cool, iconic American icon for sure. Like really changed a lot of music and nobody really looks at some of that stuff. Having the live concerts in prisons was huge yeah, folsom prison and Merle was there whenever he was in Folsom prison and playing, because Merle was some dirt. There's some shit on Merle too, but I remember.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm not that kind of a fan in one of, uh, johnny's concerts um, for one of the presidents I can't remember which one, I think it might have been Nixon he shouted out play. I don't remember what song it was, and he was like well, I'm going to let Merle sing that, since that's his song oh yeah. He's like I'll leave that to Merle, but here's this. Let me sing my song. Thank you.
Speaker 2:He went to the White House like three times, oh yeah, went to the white house like three times, oh yeah, and they were big jimmy carter too, yeah, they were big friends, jimmy carter, because he was a member of the carter family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and uh. Yeah, they went a lot during that, but he had went several times before that.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, but I can't yeah, I can't remember exactly which president I want to say, nixon but historically though, like you know, changing the music industry and making it develop into what and we watched that just yesterday. Just yesterday he's metal.
Speaker 3:He's metal. He's not metal at all but, he's metal as fuck His lifestyle.
Speaker 2:Me, you and Silas was watching the evolution of music from like the 1500s. No, we watched one of them.
Speaker 1:All the way back to BC.
Speaker 2:BC.
Speaker 1:Where they just took scrolls that was written down Egyptian time and everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how they wrote music and everything that was fucking cool Evolution of music and it takes people like him to really change things and it keeps it rolling and that's what I like about music. Yeah, because nobody else had that sound and there was a 10-year lag where I even brought up to you we were in this relationship together for this 10-year lag where I was, like you know, music hasn't really changed a whole lot, but with me and you going to Rockville and watching some of these, new bands and popping up.
Speaker 2:Slaughter to Prevail and.
Speaker 1:Lorna Shore Gajira Gajira sings about fucking whales and nature and it's metal as fuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's metal as fuck and the. Amazon. It changed it enough to where I felt like we have progressed in music alone, and even some of the pop music that we're listening to now.
Speaker 1:I want to listen to Goodyear right now. Yeah, I love them so much.
Speaker 2:And they even got to play the Olympics. That was really cool.
Speaker 1:Yes, that was phenomenal Every single time that performance showed up on my TikTok. I watched the entire thing. I don't care if it was there again two scrolls later. I watched it.
Speaker 2:I mean as far as, like heavy music goes, we're watching it evolve and it's becoming better and different and changing. Bollywood bands like the who, even you know, babymetal was trendy for a long time, but now there's that new band who was that band that we've seen at Ginger? Who was that band that we've seen at Ginger that?
Speaker 3:was like.
Speaker 1:Babymetal. Oh my God, they were so good. They were so good.
Speaker 2:But they were Japanese Morambi, morambi.
Speaker 1:But they were metal.
Speaker 2:They were Japanese and they were like they were metal, but it was like it was like Harambi.
Speaker 3:Harambi.
Speaker 1:It was like the finally we got both parts, both aspects and they were so fucking cute like we were hyped that whole show even bands like sleep token though, which is like metal as fuck, but at the same time that's like another deftones this 60 but they're a crossover type band like that could be pop music. To me too they're completely different than than deftones. Yeah, they're. Oh, yeah, it can definitely be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it it's sex music. It's we're gonna listen.
Speaker 2:We're gonna listen to sex music that's deftones and and we have a whole sexy metal playlist, yeah but music like right there with uh in this moment to be able to, to fold it back to the lady gagas and all the things that we listen to, even in pop music. I'm enjoying right now especially right now the the transition that things are coming in. I think it's going to go back to classical. I've been telling you that since I've known you that there's going to be more classical things, and System of a Down put a little bit of that into it with metal.
Speaker 1:Lorna Shore has operatics.
Speaker 2:Operatics. That's why I mentioned.
Speaker 1:Lorna Shore and I love it.
Speaker 2:I said that there's going to be more and more classical being popped back into things. And it's going to even go back. They're going to be pulling stuff back. There needs to be another swing music. When operatic About every 30 years, if you notice there's a little bit of flavor that comes back.
Speaker 1:Oh, swing came back hard in the late 90s yeah.
Speaker 2:Big doo-doo daddies, cherry popping daddies, squirrel nut zippers, all those bands Music like that in ska. Yeah, there, you're getting the ska music there, but like oh yeah, you're right yeah less than jake, and then it's but I could have swung to that, but um, I love that shit but yeah we got to play a ska band on here that we got to meet, you know, and they're playing with less than jake too.
Speaker 2:They're fixing to do their what's it? The Wake and Bake tour or something like that. They do it every year, but they're. They're playing in Gainesville here pretty soon and um, against all authority, is going to be playing with them and I'm looking forward to that. We need to go to a couple of shows. I think we need to break away where I was talking about a show, um, last night that I wanted to go to at Underbelly and we missed it, but I think we need to break away to a show.
Speaker 1:We need to go to a show. We'll come back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we need to go to a show.
Speaker 1:It's been since Ginger. No, we did go to Wage War. Wage War was after and that was a fucking fire show. But y'all, if we go more than a month without going to a show, we have withdrawal.
Speaker 2:But we're finding some cool bands. You found a band and I had seen them on. I'd seen them, so I was scrolling.
Speaker 1:I was excited with it.
Speaker 2:The first 10 seconds. This was a few months ago, which we both have a lot of the similar algorithms, of course, because we like a lot of the same shit. But I was scrolling I believe it was on TikTok. It might have been on, it might have been, it was one of the socials. I think it was one of the socials, I think it was tiktok, and I was scrolling a few months ago and I seen this little dude like pop out in a wheelchair and he went ham bone, like ham bone, like lifting out of the wheelchair, like pulling his, because he had it looked like he was, uh, maybe paraplegic or something paralyzed, maybe from his waist down type thing, and so he's pulling himself all out of the chair. Oh my god.
Speaker 1:Well, I found them two days ago and you found them two days ago and you found them two days ago the same band Said Jesse, I want to plug this band ASAP. And you sent it to me.
Speaker 2:And I was like, yeah, I've seen them a few months ago and I was like they're viral, like these guys are viral, there's no way we can contact them. But she sent that to me and I contacted them and he replied right away. So, and he replied right away, I was just I couldn't believe it. He replied right away and I was just enamored.
Speaker 1:Yeah, literally within two minutes. I'm like Jesse, I want to plug this band, you're like okay. Then he's like, he hit me up right away and I was like, oh my God, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2:And I was just. It was amazing that this guy was just like.
Speaker 1:So the band is called Low Low. And the singer's name is Logan. Logan and he is a little person in a wheelchair, but he has a mighty, mighty Logan.
Speaker 2:Abdu.
Speaker 1:Logan Abdu yeah.
Speaker 2:So really cool cat, and you could tell that he's doing a lot of stuff at home.
Speaker 1:He has a mighty sound.
Speaker 2:Mighty huge sound. Looks like a three-piece band.
Speaker 1:And we listened to them yesterday to pick out which song we were going to plug, and I was having a great time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hit him up and I was like we do true crime podcasts and I play bands at the end and I wanted to feature him. But we want to play one of their songs and Logan's amazing. And I hope they come to Florida because I got you Logan, I got you bro.
Speaker 1:And, like I said on our Wednesday recap in two years, I want to gather up all these bands and have a drink about something fest. Yeah, we'll find a spot, we'll square off. We'll square off. We'll have us a two-day.
Speaker 2:We'll have a hangar here in Lake City. I'll get with Renee, we'll just set it up. We'll have like 10 bands all day long.
Speaker 1:They have Court Jar beers, y'all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Court Jar beers.
Speaker 1:Mason Jar beers North Central Florida.
Speaker 2:We're going to have a whole festival, a great About a year from now, about a year from now A great Shit.
Speaker 1:What's the drink? Oh my God Long.
Speaker 2:Island, long Island, it's Renee, renee's there Shout out to Renee Hangar 7, lake City, but we're going to do it. We got to do it, you know. So I'm going to play some of their stuff and I hope you guys like it Check out Low and they're on everything.
Speaker 1:And they're great.
Speaker 2:Very phenomenal, and I don't see the song that you're talking about, but anyhow, she's going to look it up and we're going to play it. You guys did amazing, lindsay, you did amazing, and I just want to go ahead and give you some of this whole thing here.
Speaker 1:Thank you, thank you, sir. There, it is right there, ahead or behind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we're going to play this thing. We're going to rock out and send them some feedback and send us some feedback. Drink about something. That site.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, here goes low. This is a head or behind. Check it out. You're the baddest lie. Why did I fuck it up tonight? I feel like I'm sold. I feel like I'm shot, but sometimes I feel alone inside. I feel like I'm sold. I feel like I'm shot, but sometimes I feel alone inside you on the gram with your fam and your men. I give you my congrats. I just wish I had my chance. I know I'm a star, so it takes a bit longer To find the right person to love a lot stronger. It looks so good from the outside in. I know it all was worth it when you felt the love again. My happiness will come and all the tears will end. My happiness will come and all the tears will end. I feel like I'm sorry. I feel like I'm shy, but sometimes I feel alone. Really, I feel like a star. I feel like a star, but sometimes I feel alone inside. I feel like a star. I feel like a star, but sometimes I feel alone inside.
Speaker 3:It's hard to feel like I've found myself when everyone can see what I can tell.
Speaker 3:It's just become so lonely. And it's hard when all I want to do Is laugh at life. I feel like it's all right. I feel like I should, but sometimes I feel alone inside. I feel like it's all right. I feel like I should, but sometimes I feel alone and too old.
Speaker 3:It's not about how fast you got on your own. It's about the love you started and helped grow. There's a future out there that is so bright. Don't forget me with my names in life. There's so much I've achieved, but there's all I wanna see. I wanna hold and cherish you until we perish Into the dark ashes of the unknown. I'm gonna find you, my beautiful soul.
Speaker 3:It's hard to feel like I've found myself when everyone can see what I can tell. It's just become so lonely and bitter when all I wanted to do is love and lie. You're a star in a world of shame. My heart's really not why you Ain't got a soul to hang in the rain. You're the game that makes us Like you're the thing that makes us work like you. That's why I'm so sorry. In a matter of a call, it's gonna be done and gone In a matter of a call. It's gonna be done and gone. Take me as I am, or push me as I go, or if you'll dance, I'll go like the world's king. It's hard to feel like I've found myself when everyone can see what I can tell.
Speaker 2:It's just become so lonely at the top when all I wanted to do was laugh a lot. Holy shit.
Speaker 1:They're so good, they're phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Logan, you are the man. Your band is just phenomenal, dude, absolutely Check them out, and check out all these bands that we've been playing. We're so fortunate to be able to play and to be able to talk to and just hang out with some of these groups. I can't wait for them to come back down. They need to come down to Florida. We're going to hang out with them.
Speaker 1:We're going to do a little something-something we really hope that we're inspiring you guys to follow and check these bands out.
Speaker 2:Heavy rock, even if it's not your genre.
Speaker 1:check it out, Give it a chance. You may love it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to lean back toward. Maybe I'm going to try to find something different when I was growing up.
Speaker 1:I was a country music fan.
Speaker 3:Loved me some Garth Brooks. Still love Garth Brooks, alan Jackson and guess what?
Speaker 1:I gave metal a chance because my sisters, but I just kept on, kept on wanting, and then the deeper I got, the more I liked it and the more I love.
Speaker 2:So we will see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 1:Yes, we're going to talk about murder next Friday Murder, murder.
Speaker 2:Which there was some murder in that, but it was in Jamaica. But yeah, Johnny Cash was amazing. I can't believe he made it to that age.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I said he was meant to be here.
Speaker 2:Which one are you talking about, though?
Speaker 1:Okay, it's going to be the killer. His name is Tiffany Cole and I don't have my notes in front of me to name their victims.
Speaker 2:So, tiffany Cole, next Friday, we'll see you guys then, and you guys have a good one.
Speaker 3:Bye.
