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EPISODE 14: Carol and Reggie Sumner
What happens when a casual conversation about seltzers spirals into a harrowing tale of crime and betrayal? We kick things off sipping our favorite drinks of the moment—Jesse with a tropical-flavored Celsius energy drink with crown apple and Lindsey with a refreshing tangerine White Claw—before reminiscing about past adventures and the unpredictable world of seltzer preferences. A simple hospital visit at a music festival morphs into a life-lesson-filled narrative about the pitfalls of alcohol, resilience in the face of medical emergencies, and the serendipitous friendships forged in waiting rooms.
Our episode then takes a dark twist as we unravel the tragic story of Reggie and Carol Sumner, exploring their unfortunate connection to Tiffany Cole. Despite their kindness, the Sumners fall victim to a ghastly plot masterminded by Tiffany and her accomplices—one that leads to betrayal and murder. We delve into the complexities of Tiffany's background, marked by turmoil and trauma, and the chilling motivations driving her crimes, ultimately landing her among the youngest women on Florida's death row.
Amidst this dramatic narrative, we reflect on wisdom gained from older generations and share anecdotes of overcoming adversity. The episode wraps up with lighter notes from a chaotic music festival where band drama and rainy setbacks couldn't dampen the spirit of camaraderie. With a nod to unforgettable performances by bands like Villanova and Three Knuckles Deep, we celebrate resilience, the magic of live music, and the importance of supporting talented artists.
Hey Jesse, hello Lindsay, what you drinking tonight? I am drinking a little crapple with an energy drink a Celsius.
Speaker 2:What flavor Celsius it's pretty good.
Speaker 1:It's like the Baja something or other tropical something.
Speaker 3:Baja blast.
Speaker 1:I'm all tropical because I want to go on a cruise. So damn bad.
Speaker 2:It's a tropical vibe. I know. We just went on one not too long ago. It's been almost a year. It's a tropical vibe. I know. We just went on one, not too long ago.
Speaker 1:It's been almost a year. It has been almost a year. It feels like five years.
Speaker 2:All right, we've been together like fucking forever.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does, it really does. It feels like it's been forever. So what are you drinking overall?
Speaker 2:I'm having a tangerine white claw, tangerine, white Claw, tangerine. I don't think I've had a tangerine on the show yet.
Speaker 1:You've been super clawing for the last month or so.
Speaker 2:Well, I did venture off on the week that we took off or no, it was Christmas Day I tried the Aldi seltzers and I like them and I forgot to get some. Yesterday I was going to have Aldi seltzers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you should have got some while you was out and about. I was going to have all these seltzers. Yeah, you should have got some while you was out and about.
Speaker 2:I know I was at Aldi yesterday and I had a list and I was like I'm good, I remember all the lists, but I didn't.
Speaker 1:I forgot the seltzers. That's why I don't go shopping, because I be done, forgot half of that shit and I go from one side of the store to the other.
Speaker 2:My dumb ass didn't the list, so oh yeah.
Speaker 1:It's got to be on the list.
Speaker 2:I know the list. I'm not at myself the list. Did you check the list? Because theirs are actually very good. Like they have a very like juice flavor in them.
Speaker 1:You've been kind of going away from the sweets too. You kind of like more of a like you're drinking alcohol. You're getting to be a lush there, A little alky, you know, like I had a taste of it.
Speaker 2:Whatever. Yeah, I drank Truly Punches for years and I still like them, but now they're sweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they've always been sweet.
Speaker 2:So Walmart. I don't like to go shopping at Walmart, so I do Walmart pickup a lot and if they don't have Truly's available I go to White Claw. And almost all summer they didn't have Truly Punches available, so I got used to White Claw.
Speaker 1:then when we got Truly Punches I was like holy shit, these are so much sweeter so maybe that's why I changed so much, because I don't want to get hung in the same flavor field, you know but I mean, they're all different flavors, they're just less sweet than the Truly.
Speaker 2:Punches, which is good, because, you know, I try to limit my sugar intake. Right, because it doesn't?
Speaker 1:yeah, because I try to limit my sugar intake. Right, because it doesn't? Yeah, because if they're sweet, then they got the sugar in it.
Speaker 2:That's why my ass ended up at the hospital at Rockville. Yeah, and over sugar in it With the vodka that was an adventure Let me tell y'all about that. Do the intro first.
Speaker 1:The intro first.
Speaker 2:Intro first Happy Friday.
Speaker 1:Happy Friday. Happy Friday, it's this easy now because we got new shit.
Speaker 2:Yes, I think.
Speaker 1:All that shit's bumping, there we go, hey, hey, and I'm going to talk over top of it hey hey, because we got new shit and I don't care. Na, na, na na na, na, na na na, and I don't care.
Speaker 2:So like we got a Zoom Pod.
Speaker 1:Track 4 set up, which I seen it all over.
Speaker 2:It was merry christmas to us. Yeah, well, I this is her.
Speaker 1:He gave it to me yeah, I mean the whole podcast thing is her. So I was just like it is ours, sir I just mix shit and and just comment and goof and drink. But we're doing it together, you're giving me an opportunity to drink, so that's as much as this comes and to hear some horrific and sometimes cool stories.
Speaker 3:Johnny.
Speaker 2:Cash.
Speaker 1:I don't want to say cool I have a feeling, but it was knowledge for you. I have a feeling that this one's going to be nuts, are you going to fuck me up?
Speaker 2:today?
Speaker 1:I am, and from here on out, I hope you guys like the cash story. I enjoyed it. Uh, knew some of it not about.
Speaker 2:I knew about 50 of it and she's when she threw that jamaica shit in there I was about to say I knew you didn't know about the cinnamon hill story because I like I said I'm on the instagram. That was a pretty house beautiful oh beautiful, and I looked at some of the pictures too, on um Google on the inside. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say it again because I've brought this up four times to Lindsay already.
Speaker 2:So if we go to Jamaica, let's go to Cinnamon Hill.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and check it out. So that'd be like more cash stuff. Yeah, we'll be cashing out. So I want to say this again, because I've already said it four times to Lindsay, that I finally got us on YouTube.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yay, hold on a minute.
Speaker 2:Make sure you tell them how long it took you.
Speaker 1:It took me like a month, but hang on, I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again, I think this applause thing kind of sucks on this one. Now it's enough, Stop it sir, I'm going to do another one. I'm going to do. What's cool about this pod track thing, though, is I can download whatever applause thing Like me, and you are just going to go like this in the background. I'm going to record it. That's going to be a new applause. It'll be on here, because you know.
Speaker 1:I can do that now, it's cool, I like it.
Speaker 2:I experimented with you.
Speaker 1:Do that and I'll be like yes that's bad you gotta have my yes, but I'll be applauding to you because, like I always do, like a little thing at the end, like the thing, you know the thing, because, like you know, you do the thing and I do the thing and you do the thing, and I was like, hey, all right, right, right, what.
Speaker 2:Anyhow, but go ahead before I start our story.
Speaker 1:So you're drinking a White Claw you wanted to talk about my hospital. Oh, the hospital.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I'm getting sidetracked here. We're at Rockville. We're on day two.
Speaker 1:We're watching Power Run 5000, right.
Speaker 2:But you got to tell them everything that I indulged.
Speaker 1:Oh, so we wake up in the morning. But you got to tell them everything that I indulged. Oh so we wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2:She really loves the chicken and waffles at Metro Diner.
Speaker 1:So we walk it's probably a little bit more than a half a mile, maybe Somewhere around there, and we get Bloody Marys at Metro because they're bomb. Chicken and waffles are bomb and that girl was just keeping them coming.
Speaker 2:I don't even know how many I could see. I think we drank like three. She made me one to go to because she knew we were walking.
Speaker 1:And then we had one to go, and we're on our way back goofbooting.
Speaker 2:And we didn't even eat all our food. Feeling good, we brought a shit ton of leftovers back to the camp.
Speaker 1:We're going to go back to camp. We're going to grab a couple more drinks.
Speaker 2:We get back to camp he gave us a big gulp cup, because we stopped at the gas station to get ice and I got a big gulp cup of ice and made that so we could share it on our half a mile walk, three quarter mile walk, up to the gate.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But we didn't end up walking, and that's what fucked me up. Yeah, because there's so much walking. So what you do at?
Speaker 1:Rockville is like if you're camping and you got to go camping at Rockville, you got to go camping at Rockville.
Speaker 2:You've got to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the best experience, because it's zombie in, zombie out. That's what we say, and this is like a preview to Countdown to Rockville, because I'm going to bring this set up to Rockville. So we, zombie in, zombie out, on the way in, we're toasted.
Speaker 2:We don't care, we're pre-gamed Because drinks in that bitch are expensive. Yes, that's why we always have. We've saved money throughout the year for Rockville.
Speaker 1:It's like a stagger in, stagger out type deal. But the only reason why we stagger out is because we're wore out.
Speaker 2:We're not really that intoxicated.
Speaker 1:No, we're pretty much sober when we get that, yeah, but we get tanked up, we go in. But before we went in she was just like super tanked and super sugared up Because I didn't want to waste the vodka. I didn't want to waste the vodka. She was like I'm going to get toasted up.
Speaker 2:Well, the reason why we didn't walk is because we had two friends that were on knee braces. So, we got a cart ride.
Speaker 1:And I couldn't believe it. They kept kicking ass all weekend.
Speaker 2:But I don't really like that. I like walking because it's good for us and it helps with my alcohol process On the way back.
Speaker 1:we better grab a damn cart.
Speaker 2:Oh, on the way back we better grab a damn cart oh on the way back is fine.
Speaker 1:On the way in I don't want to ride, I want to walk and see everybody. So if you're if you're in the middle of daytona speedway, it's a two and a half mile track. So if you're in the middle of that, you're liable to walk a mile before you get into rockville.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we average um 15 miles a day, 15 to 20 miles a day is what we walk, according to my step counter.
Speaker 1:It's insane. So you got to really be on your game, and especially in our 40s now.
Speaker 2:Well, because we drink a lot, we eat a lot. Well, we don't eat a lot a lot, but we eat not so good food and we're almost the food truck. Shit is so amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're almost rail people Like we have to get as close as we can to the rail. If not, we want like 20 feet back and then we're jumping.
Speaker 2:While we're yeah, we get into the crowds, so it's a lot yeah.
Speaker 1:And you've got to do that. That keeps your feet from just going numb, dying. So it's actually. It seems like a lot, but like when you're moving, it helps actually to keep everything. Because if you're standing and stiff, because you've got that hour break bands, because there's five stages and everybody's- rotating.
Speaker 2:Well, it didn't seem like there was that long a break last time because we were doing so much walking and trekking because we didn't stay at one stage. We never stay at one.
Speaker 1:I don't like to stay at one stage all day long. No, no. I mean we usually make our daily plan and now we're so deep into bands like we can pick and choose and be like oh, we've already seen this band like four times, let's just check out somebody else, you know.
Speaker 2:So I get tanked. We go see Power man 5000. And what happened?
Speaker 1:First band, First band at Rockville, Power man 5000. We're getting up getting on getting organized.
Speaker 2:Getting organized, dropping the bombshell, oh God. Everything.
Speaker 1:And I don't even remember that whole set because I got no, you were kind of Passy out of you real quick. But you made it through the set, but you were done.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It was like everybody's clearing out and Lindsay was clocked out.
Speaker 2:And first time ever at Rockville Yacht or any festival. This never happens to me.
Speaker 1:Well, she's kind of been shaky a few times in our past histories.
Speaker 2:but Not like this. She made it out, but yeah so I remember that.
Speaker 1:One time, at lamb of god too, you were yeah, so you got to watch that land and see, but what happened? They snatch her up and take her to the meditent and I didn't even know where that was which was like a little, actually small little inside hospital and I was out.
Speaker 2:I was out field. I don't remember the iv that they put in me, um. I don't remember the iv that they put in me, um. I don't remember the bag that I puked.
Speaker 1:They didn't let me go in there and hang out with you or nothing you're. I walked by you and kind of was like hey, and you were like out, you were like just chilling, doing your thing over there and I was like, oh, my fucking god, is she gonna come back out of this? What are we doing?
Speaker 2:and then she came, they gave me zof right. Isn't that what I said they gave me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you were like I just got to wait for this to wear out. But that was like two hours later. Then you came out and you came to the little lobby thing and you were like I just got to wait for this to wear off. And you're like this ain't wearing off, like I'm going down again.
Speaker 2:And you started my husband now you were my husband then Tells them I cannot have that because it fucked me up the rest of the day, pretty much until the next morning.
Speaker 1:Well, we don't want to get in that situation again.
Speaker 2:No, We've got to just be more mature. No, I'm staying away from liquor.
Speaker 1:Stay away from anything more than 15%.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I gotta period period.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and that was scary because, uh, they put her in an ambulance and took her to the hospital.
Speaker 2:I'm like and he had no idea where I'm all like can I ride because I ran.
Speaker 1:I ran out there before the ambulance like scooped her up and I was like where is she going? Like can I ride with her? Um, they're like no, you can't.
Speaker 2:I'm like what the fuck really? That's fucked up. I don't understand that at all so I just strike out and I don't remember, with I don't know what I had on right there and on my way walking.
Speaker 1:I called a cab and met them and went to the hospital and hung out there and met some cool people. Actually in the, in the lobby, there was this old man that was telling me all kind of crazy stories. He was an old hippie guy. I remember, yeah, I ended up getting to meet him because they wheeled him out in the aisle where I was.
Speaker 2:We were just hanging out in the aisle, we weren't even in a room. Yeah, and I told the and this was hours later.
Speaker 1:One of the nurses, because and I had no sense of time, because but they kind of needed a little bit of assistance to make them comfortable, and I said I'm not leaving here until I get a donut. So the whole time of me sitting there was like another four hours.
Speaker 2:We're like six hours away from Rockville and I'm unconscious. I'm conscious, but I'm unconscious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're in and out, and they didn't even put her in a room. They finally brought me back and she's in the hallway and I'm like what the hell happened? Like why is this place so packed? And it wasn't because of Rockville, because there's only one more person from Rockville there and they just put her in a hallway. And then, before we left, the nurse gave me a donut. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, after I did come to and they did some blood work, then they did some more blood work and I was like look, this iv in my hand is really hurting me that part and so she took it out. She's like I might have to stick you again. I said if you have to stick me again, I'm gonna have to go.
Speaker 1:I can't literally that's the second time that I've witnessed them stabbing the shit out of you and I'm not gonna put up with it again because we had silas, and I went to the hospital with the palpitations and I was having.
Speaker 2:Silas was a blur, though, for me, but I do remember them jobbing at you like four times. They were trying to put it in between my thumb and my index finger and kept hitting my bone.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Why do they keep doing that? So if somebody says that they're a hard stick or whatever when it comes to veins and vascular stuff, just go get somebody that does pediatrics, because they're perfect. Just go get somebody that does pediatrics, because they're perfect, the kids.
Speaker 2:Well, what did they? They said when I went to UF they said from now on, tell whoever that you're a hard stick and you need a sonogram, a IV or a vein sonogram.
Speaker 1:Right when they can show, they can show before they start poking and prying, go ahead and grab it.
Speaker 2:Well, when she came back and said that she was going to have stick me again because all my vitals were good.
Speaker 1:At that point I was like well, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna check myself out so yeah, like long story short, like when it comes to that we really need to get the right person.
Speaker 1:And I remember when you were having like some some heart pressure problems and stuff, heart palpitations from low blood sugar and they stabbed you like in your thumb, like four times right in front of me and I'm like dude, I would be done after two of those because it's like looks like they're going right in your bone. You know, that was just sickening, how I mean after two times. If you're trying to put an iv in two times, go get somebody better. If you can't get it, I'm sorry and moral of the story.
Speaker 1:Lindsey's not drinking liquor at a festival anymore, no, but we made it, we made it back and we rocked out and we kind of hung out the camp the rest of that day. So we did miss?
Speaker 2:yeah, because the zofram like messed with me. It kept putting me down and up, and down and up and the.
Speaker 1:We missed a really iconic thing.
Speaker 2:Oh god, we missed falling in reverse slaughter to prevail, lint biscuit Roll and I'm still mad about it, but luckily we've seen all of them before.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to let you fly, though, because we just bullshitted a whole shitload about the Rockville experience.
Speaker 2:Yes, thank y'all for sticking with us.
Speaker 1:We love you. All right, so we're going to get our story started, okay.
Speaker 2:All right Now a lot of other podcasters that I have heard cover this, because what I do is I listen to a few other people cover it after doing some research and I always notice that a few of them get it different. So I always want to go fact check and all that good stuff, but a lot of them will name it after the killer. There was actually a group of killer in this story, so I'm going to start with the victims. Okay, so in 2005, reggie and Carol Sumner were a retired couple living in Jacksonville, florida. They had been high school sweethearts from Charleston, south Carolina, but went their separate ways when they were teenagers, I think. Right after high school, reggie went into the Navy and worked for CSX and married someone else but did get divorced. I don't think he had any children. There's not a lot about Reggie out there to look up.
Speaker 1:All right. So this is some Jacksonville. This is close to home, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, so we're going to go in between Charleston, south Carolina, and Jacksonville a little bit.
Speaker 1:So Charleston and Freakville? Yeah, we're going to call Jacksonville Freakville. If you don't know, that's what we call Jacksonville, florida, freakville. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Carol went on to marry twice and had a child, a little boy. I don't know about the brother, but her second husband was a nightmare. Upon the end of their marriage, carol's husband pulls a gun on her and shoots her six times what Six times? And then turns the gun on himself, ending his life. And the shooting of Carol happened all in front of Rhonda, all in front of Rhonda, right in front of Rhonda, and I believe he like drove away before he shot himself.
Speaker 1:So I guess, at that point where you snapped, you just, you just keep going and you just I don't even know, I don't understand why they shoot people six times.
Speaker 2:And then Rhonda.
Speaker 1:Is that a magic number? That's like?
Speaker 2:all the rounds in an automatic right.
Speaker 1:In a revolver. Revolver yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a magic number. And now, rhonda was only 10 years old at this time.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Carol survives this shooting but needs constant care. It also left her blind in one eye and while she was in the hospital for the shooting she had a blood transfusion and this was in the eighties before they tested the blood.
Speaker 1:She didn't catch it.
Speaker 2:She, no, she, uh. She got blood that contained hepatitis C.
Speaker 1:Oh, hep C which is way more.
Speaker 2:I mean just more complications on top of the but, and that would later cause her to get liver cancer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:Now she did get well enough to get a job working for a cable company as um like a at a call center for a cable company, right and um. One day she answers the phone and it's Reggie from high school.
Speaker 1:So, reginald.
Speaker 2:Yes, and this was 40 years later, wow, after they have been high school sweethearts. Oh, so they get together, recap their lives from the last 40 years and become inseparable and eventually get married. Now, at this point in their life, they're both in poor health. Reggie had diabetes, carol had you know the complications from the shooting and the liver cancer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and among other things, and they decided they wanted to retire to a warmer climate and Reggie had a house that he still had from his previous marriage in Jacksonville, okay, so they decided they were going to move down to that house From Charleston to down to Freakville.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So now they had a neighbor whom they were very friendly with in Charleston named Tiffany Cole. They had a neighbor whom they were very friendly with in Charleston named Tiffany Cole. Tiffany was born on December 3rd 1981 and grew up in Charleston with her parents, Shirley and David Duncan. I have no idea why her last name's Cole, I couldn't find anything on that, but anyway. So Shirley and David would get divorced when Tiffany was young. She would go back and forth between her parents, making life very unstable, and Tiffany would say that she never felt like she had a childhood. This was because she would help a lot with the younger brother and took on a second mom type role.
Speaker 1:Right, just kind of strapped right on and left her childhood into motherhood.
Speaker 2:That sucks, I know.
Speaker 1:You don't get a chance to grow up.
Speaker 2:It messes with you. Surely Tiffany's mom would go on to marry another man named Rick who was violent and abusive, mostly to her younger sibling, and even, trigger warning, killed Tiffany's puppy right in front of her by throwing it against the wall which broke the dog's neck.
Speaker 1:Wow, as if the gunshots earlier. So he was a piece of shit, but yeah.
Speaker 2:And this was traumatic as fuck to her.
Speaker 1:But in spite, of you know what kind of dog it was.
Speaker 2:I have no idea. In spite of all of this, Tiffany actually did very well in school. She got good grades, played the flute, she was in Girl Scout, she was a cheerleader All of that good stuff. And it's not said if the stepfather was actually physically abusive to Tiffany, but it is known that her biological father trigger warning sexually abused her in her teen years.
Speaker 1:What the hell, Lindsay I? Know, so this, actually All this, wrapped up into one wad already.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we haven't even gotten started yet.
Speaker 1:This is just a backstory.
Speaker 3:Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Lindsay, I can't keep up. The crown apple won't let me. It's going to come together.
Speaker 2:It's going to come together, I promise. No, I mean that crapple over there In a horrific way it's gonna come together okay, you're gonna have to keep me like moving along here because so tiffany told her mother about the abuse, but unfortunately shirley did not believe her and this caused tiffany to run away from home for a time. Got into the wrong crowd, would have used drugs and alcohol and even uh into some sex work Wow yeah and completely just damaged kid. Yeah, yeah, trauma to the hill.
Speaker 1:Wow, good job parents.
Speaker 2:Right. Tiffany did come back home and found out that her father had terminal cancer. Her biological father, who sexually abused her, her and her mother actually would look after him Into her early 20s.
Speaker 1:I would let that fucker die. Absolutely Just okay, bye Let the cancer take its toll If you're messing with my no-no spot when I'm a kid.
Speaker 2:And the mother who knew about it, and her and her mother are taking care of this fucker.
Speaker 1:I'm just not built that way no. I'm not built that way. Honestly first.
Speaker 2:Absolutely not. I have a hard time because of putting myself out there for people who took advantage of me when I was younger.
Speaker 1:I was easily influenced and persuaded into a lot of things, but you touched me on my no-no spot. Fuck you, fuck you.
Speaker 2:You can burn in hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I would have done that from probably age six and up. I don't know how young she was when that happened.
Speaker 2:She was in her teenage years when she was getting sexually abused and she took, like I said, she ran away from home for a while.
Speaker 1:No, that would have been done. I got to cut that shit off.
Speaker 2:She ran away from home for a while, came back and took care of her fucking abuser yeah, While he's dying.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm thinking like in my mental state as from the age of probably seven and up, I would have probably been like uh-uh. No, I'm going to tell somebody about something.
Speaker 2:Well she did. Her mom didn't believe her, so she didn't feel like she had anybody else to turn to.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, anyways, goodness gracious.
Speaker 2:So this is around the time that she would come to know Reggie and Carol Sumner, who were in their late 50s and newlyweds. So they kind of knew the situation that she was in and they took her under their wing. They even had a car, a Chevy Lumina, that they were selling and ended up letting Tiffany have it on a payment plan. Now fast forward to January 2005, when Reggie and Carol decided to move to Jacksonville. I believe on top of the warmer climate there was better health facilities for their ailments and things that they had to take care of.
Speaker 1:They have some good medical over there. Believe it or not? Yes, they do, they really do.
Speaker 2:That's where I've taken most of my kids for any extensive things that they need to take care of, to the Nemours Hospital over there, and there's what they call the Baptist Center, which is right across the street, and it is at gargantual, humongous building. So they entrusted Tiffany with the card payments and told her to come see them anytime. Tiffany would continue to care for her father and then, in May of 2005, she meets singer, songwriter and pop sensation, michael Jackson.
Speaker 1:Michael Jackson. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2:But she did meet a guy named Michael James Jackson.
Speaker 1:Michael James.
Speaker 2:Jackson While on a trip to the beach with some of her friends.
Speaker 1:Is he any kin to Samuel L Jackson, by the way?
Speaker 2:No, this was a very white boy. Yeah, he was a white boy, michael James Jackson. With your typical 2005 goatee and thing going on. Oh, he's a piece of shit. All right, so we'll get into the hymn for a second.
Speaker 1:This is a shitty joke, but I like it. You're so corny.
Speaker 2:So Tiffany and Michael James Jackson hit it off and spent the rest of the weekend together, and then they continued to see each other casually afterwards. Supposedly it was just like a situationship not a full-blown committed relationship, Friends with benefits, but this all, Supposedly it was just like a situationship not a full-blown committed relationship.
Speaker 1:Friends with benefits.
Speaker 2:But this all happens very fast. Like I said, the Summoners move to Jacksonville in January of 2005. She meets Michael James Jackson in May of 2005. A few weeks later Michael mentions that he wants to go visit his friend Alan Wade in Jacksonville. So Tiffany was excited to go so she could see Carol and Reggie probably make a car payment, pop in say hello. So they get to Jacksonville and at first they stayed with Alan and his mother and I guess they were partying a little too hard. Alan's mom was like y'all got to get the fuck out.
Speaker 2:So Tiffany was like well I bet Carol and Reggie would let us stay with them. So she hits them up and they welcome her with her and Michael with open arms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, being trauma, accepting trauma.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like you know, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1:That seems to like group together. It does.
Speaker 2:And unfortunately, it can bite you right in your fucking ass because I've been there, yeah. Now, for some reason, while they were all sitting around talking catching up, reggie and carol were excitedly talking about how they had made a 99 000 profit off their sale off the sale of their home in south carolina oh, they had a little grip there. Yes, and this was obviously before the housing market crashed in 2008, because you ain't making that kind of profit at all, ever.
Speaker 3:No, you owe them money when you sell your house.
Speaker 1:Yes, and what do I owe you? Let me write a check here. Let me yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, old Michael Jackson instantly saw dollar signs. Michael Jackson, hee, dollar signs. Michael Jackson, hee, hee, hee.
Speaker 1:Michael James Jackson.
Speaker 2:He sees dollar signs and he comes up with a plan to rob them.
Speaker 1:Oh, here we go, mj. Come on, mj, they were perfect.
Speaker 2:They were older and bad health and so sweet. So sweet and so trusting and naive and bitch-ass. Little Tiffany agreed to it After these sweet people had done so much for her Trauma on trauma.
Speaker 1:Are you breaking open?
Speaker 2:I'm popping open a watermelon Hang on.
Speaker 1:Let me take a sip, because there's going to be some drama up in here. Cheers, cheers, happy Friday, holy shit. But oh my God, lindsay, so far already. And then here we go, freakville fitting to come out.
Speaker 2:Oof. So they basically cased the place and took note of all the valuables in the home, as well as, of course, wanting to take the money in the bank. So after they leave the Sumners, michael continues his plan. But not only did he want to rob them, he wanted to kill them as well, and without any good reason. They were pretty much disabled. You could have just took their money and gone on about your life and let them live, but still Okay. So he brought his friend Alan Jackson and his cousin Bruce Nixon into the plan, and they were both still teenagers.
Speaker 1:So now we've got Michael Jackson and Alan Jackson.
Speaker 2:So we've got Alan Wade.
Speaker 1:Alan Wade Jackson.
Speaker 2:So we've got Tiffany, michael Alan and Bruce.
Speaker 1:So there's no Alan.
Speaker 2:Jackson. There's no Alan Jackson, it's Alan Wade, alan Wade, all right. There's no Alan Jackson, there's no Alan Jackson, it's Alan Wade, alan Wade, all right. So they go to Walmart, down the murder aisle and also over to Office Depot gathering up supplies. Dexter Morgan style with the saran wrap.
Speaker 1:The whole duct tape. Thing.
Speaker 2:Trash bags, duct tape, shovels everything. Pickaxes dynamite. So Tiffany rents a car in her name, stupidly thinking it wouldn't get traced back to her, and they head on back down to Jacksonville. This was July 8th of 2005, and she had just met this shitbag in May.
Speaker 1:It's hot as fucking July down here, but she had just met Michael in May.
Speaker 2:It's July, that's two months later, and she's already planning murder and robbery and murder Over fucking 90 grand Michael in May. It's July, that's two months later, and she's already planning murder and robbery and murder Over fucking 90 grand.
Speaker 1:Are you gonna? I would never kill anybody for less than like, probably at least a million dollars.
Speaker 2:We wouldn't kill anybody for any kind of money, no.
Speaker 1:but it would never even come to my mind to even like any conspiracy, anything. If I thought that I could get away with being I would have to be a millionaire to get away with it, like they even try it.
Speaker 2:And I wouldn't even try it.
Speaker 1:I've never even thought about killing anybody you know what I'm saying, even people that I completely hate. I've never thought about it.
Speaker 2:Do like that. That guy that worked at McDonald's did get the CEO. Okay, we ain't gonna talk about that.
Speaker 1:Getting some hot coffee on you or something.
Speaker 2:They go, they're heading back down to Jacksonville and on the way.
Speaker 1:Just over the state line in Georgia, they found a forest and dug the grave, preemptive, preemptive dug the grave that they plan on putting the Sumners in Sumners.
Speaker 2:They get to the Sumners house and Alan and Bruce pretend to have car trouble and asked to use the phone, being the trusting people that they were, reggie and Carol oblige. Tiffany and Bruce stay in the car because they don't want to be. You know, they don't want to deter them by. You know, a reunion with Tiffany.
Speaker 1:Oh, change up the subject Right by you know a reunion with Tiffany. Oh, change up the subject Right.
Speaker 2:So the Sumners had actually just started cooking their evening meal and when Alan and Bruce go to use the phone they pull out a toy gun that did look real and threaten them that if they don't do as they say they will shoot them. So Carol and Reggie are terrified, as they are both very vulnerable and do everything they said. They duct taped Carol and Reggie together and then Michael takes everything he had noted that he wanted from the house, which included a coin collection and the town car, Bank cards, documents, computer and other things. Then they put Reggie and Carol in the trunk of their own Lincoln town car.
Speaker 1:These old people that they're just like gathering up. They duct taped them together, two people.
Speaker 2:Two people, reggie and Carol, yes, alan and Bruce drive that car and Tiffany and Bruce drive the rented car. Their plan was that if one of the cars got pulled over, the other would cause a distraction, but that never happened. So they get to the forest with the pre-dug grave, they open the trunk and, uh, from the heat of being in the trunk in fucking georgia in july in or the south period, in july.
Speaker 2:you know some of the tape had come off and they were crying and praying. The group didn't even care that the restraints had come off and she had done been through some shit to begin with, and they reunited they reunited after 40 years. Yeah 40 years. They were high school sweethearts. They've reunited after 40 years. She's already been through almost dying before. Through a horrible, horrible, traumatic experience previous and now here she is, duct taped to her husband.
Speaker 1:Got it out for her.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The world has it out for her. The universe right. Goodness gracious, the universe yeah.
Speaker 2:So the group didn't even care that the restraints had come off, because they knew that they were too weak to fight them off. And then Reggie and Carol saw Tiffany and Michael and they already knew them. They knew them. So imagine you're old, you're vulnerable. Surprise, surprise, surprise and you've helped this girl out. You've been there for her through her abuse and trauma.
Speaker 1:And you let her and her trauma come in after you and your trauma, because you sympathize.
Speaker 2:And it broke their hearts.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:So the group puts Reggie and Carol beside the grave and then Michael demands their pens for the debit cards and of course Reggie gives them up. And I'm sure Reggie thinks that if he does everything right they will let them go.
Speaker 1:Not after that trip.
Speaker 2:But instead they were both thrown into the grave and buried alive.
Speaker 1:Alive Lindsay.
Speaker 2:I know I'm like.
Speaker 1:Lindsay.
Speaker 2:I can't think about it too hard.
Speaker 1:This isn't strong enough for me.
Speaker 2:You're already slurring, sir. It better be strong enough for you?
Speaker 1:No, no, no isn't strong enough for me.
Speaker 2:you're already slurring sir it better be strong enough for you. No, no so. And it was said by someone in the group that carol's moans could still be heard. After all, the dirt was on top of them. Now some sources say they didn't dig a full six foot, but some sources say they did. So, yeah, and dirt later on when they were found, was found all in their stomachs their nose everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's how they found out they were still moving and live, goodness gracious so now it's party time for the killers we got party time so they had all that money and loot to pawn.
Speaker 2:These heartless fuckers rented a limo and I doubt there will be pictures of that bullshit. In our Instagram story. There's pictures of that Pictures.
Speaker 3:Living it up.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. So these heartless fuckers rented a limo, bought some champagne, video games all kind of stupid shit. Tiffany got herself some real tasteful clothing, including a strapless top that says diva. Oh you go girl yes, she should have. Like I said, there's pictures of all of this Like one had money, the money in their mouth, ballin In their mouth.
Speaker 3:What so they're?
Speaker 2:spending and potting, and Tiffany is a big part of the potting process. Now they underestimated Rhonda, carol's daughter, who she was very close with. So Rhonda calls her mom every day and Carol always answers, but for some reason, killers in a lot of cases they don't really think about what the rest of the family has got going on. They don't calculate that, as they're going to have a daughter or a son, or a nephew or a grandchild that's going to call them Exactly.
Speaker 1:They're so focused on that little aspect they don't pay attention to the rest of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Rhonda, who is still in South Carolina, starts calling and calling and no answer. After four days she drives down to Jacksonville herself. Now me, this is a different story. I would have called the police and been like hey, my mother and stepfather are in very bad health, haven't answered the phone and I think something may have happened do a well, check well yeah so when she gets there, she has a key and she lets herself in.
Speaker 2:She sees right away that the car is gone and when she gets inside, she sees rotting food that has still been out, remember, because they were about to have dinner right she sees the dog who has been neglected and the house is a mess. And they were not messy people, they were clean people. And carol's purse is in there, medicine is strung out and no sign of Carol or Reggie. And this dog was like Carol's baby, she took it everywhere. It was a pocket puppy, right.
Speaker 1:Huge signs of something not right Right.
Speaker 2:So Rhonda files a missing person report right away and then talks to the local TV station to get the word out. And Rhonda knew how trusting they were and thought for sure they had at least at the minimum been lured into a dangerous situation. So investigators find the missing car. First it's about an hour away from Jacksonville, in a secluded area, and its battery had been taken out. Then they go look in the trunk and find four shovels and duct tape and the car had been wiped clean. So that was all the red flags that they needed. The police decided to deactivate the couple's bank cards, which was very smart, and I hope that that is routine, because yeah, Nowadays there's anything weird, Like you know, if me and you travel they, they hit us up.
Speaker 2:I know I'm literally about to talk about that. So the group had been trying to withdraw the money one ATM at a time. And what are all? Atms, cameras Plus, making different purchases. Making withdrawals like that will flag the bank Because, like you were just saying, if we go to spend $1,000 in a day making different purchases, we get a call from Friday Protection at some point in the day.
Speaker 1:They're like, hey, is this good If we travel on a cruise or anything?
Speaker 2:Or even just to Gainesville.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We got one Black Friday yeah.
Speaker 1:And we were down south one time, near Orlando I think, and it flagged it to kind of like you guys down here, what are you doing?
Speaker 2:Yes, we are, thank you, but thank you for checking.
Speaker 1:We appreciate that it's inconvenient when you, when you just want to have a good time and you're doing it honestly, but I get it.
Speaker 2:So now there is lots of evidence, but the group of degents are pissed that the cards have been cut off and don't realize it's been done by the police and they actually call the police themselves.
Speaker 1:Hang on, wait a minute. This car that has 90 grand on it I've only gotten like 10 grand out of it and I'm pissed off.
Speaker 2:I need to speak to your manager. So, even though they have all of Reggie and Carol's bank information, they could have called the bank, but Michael Jackson. Michael James Jackson called the fucking police, pretending to be Reggie Motherfucker, michael James.
Speaker 2:Jackson Now the police were like hey, we've been looking for you, are you okay? And Michael, pretending to be Reggie, is like oh, yeah, I'm good, bro, but my bank cards need to be reactivated. And they ask him, uh, where he is. And he's like oh, I'm in corpus. And they're like in delaware. And he's like yeah, corpus delaware. Well, guess what? Corpus delaware doesn't exist. So and the they also spoke to tiffany, who pretended to be carol, and it was a very like somber conversation. They were like are you okay? She's like yeah, I was just sleeping. Is everything okay? Are y'all in any harm? No, we're good, we're good. And they know this is bullshit. So the police recorded this conversation and played it back for Rhonda and she was like hell, no, that's not my mom and stepdad.
Speaker 1:Hell no.
Speaker 2:So the police now know that there is at least two people involved in the disappearance of the Sumners, and they decided to follow the money.
Speaker 1:Got it.
Speaker 2:So they got the cards reactivated for them and now they have the cell phone number of the callers and they trace that number to a fake name and address. But that number was the callers and they traced that number to a fake name and address. But that number was the number given for the car that Tiffany rented in her real name and that Mazda RX-8 had not been returned and was overdue. Do, do, do, do, do 45, 46. So this is where this is.
Speaker 2:When they discovered that Tiffany was the Sumner's old neighbor, so they go and they focus on Tiffany, they get in touch with her brother and he had kind of like a thug reputation and he was on probation, so they use that against him. And so of course he spilled the tea and led the cops right where Tiffany, michael and Alan were staying. Now Bruce had already parted ways with the group, so police had enough evidence to arrest and really hope like they're praying that Reggie and Kara are with these three at the hotel. They were staying at hoping it was like a hostage situation Right at the hotel. They were staying at hoping it was like a hostage situation Right. So they stormed the two rooms and Michael Jackson had the bank cards on his person.
Speaker 1:Can I go ahead and say it one more time? Michael J Jackson. I just had to say that. Go ahead, Lindsay.
Speaker 2:Michael Jackson, not the singer Michael J Michael.
Speaker 3:J Michael J.
Speaker 2:Jackson. Like I said, he had Reggie and Carol's bank cards on his person and in the car they found Reggie's coin collection. Oh, and it was in the Chevy Lumina, the.
Speaker 1:Lumina.
Speaker 2:Yes, the car that, uh, the Summers had sold to their name.
Speaker 1:still stolen, still.
Speaker 2:So, along with uh video games, computers and a check for $8,000 that Michael had made out to himself that he had forged Reggie's name on, Right, trying to get that cash too.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, they're just trying to pull it out left and right so they arrest them and separate them to get them to turn on each other. It's a good tactic. I don't agree with everything that police does, but they do pretty good in this case.
Speaker 1:They already had them. They already had it all.
Speaker 2:So at first all denied everything, and then Tiffany was the first to break and her and Alan sell out Bruce.
Speaker 1:Is that Alan J Jackson?
Speaker 2:No, it's Alan Wade.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's Alan Wade, not Jackson, that's Michael J.
Speaker 2:And I think that I had already mentioned that they were cousins, but both Alan and Bruce were only 18 years old.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, so they was balling how much. At the end of this. I want to know how much money they really got before it was all stopped and done. I'm sorry, that's just so pathetic. It was all stopped and done. I'm sorry, that's just so pathetic Every bit of this. And people had to lose their lives that had already been through trauma and then accepted more trauma into their trauma and got more trauma. Goodness.
Speaker 2:So they get Bruce, and Bruce tells all. And Bruce's dumbass had also recently been at a party, so he had been boasting about burying people alive for all the prescription drugs that he had at his disposal, so I guess he took all their cancer so this is the second version of bruce the douche yeah, but this bruce is an impressionable douche, so he's not a 45 year old man that goes and annihilates a family yeah, but he's a flamethrower.
Speaker 1:It's douchey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very douchey yep, he was trying to get some clout for them cancer meds I just had to bring that one back from, uh, one of the other episodes christmas with the anderson? Yeah, no, not christmas with the anderson's the uh covina yeah, the covina, one Covina massacre.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bruce the douche. So he of course says it was all Michael's plan and they were just all following along, which it pretty much was. So they are all charged with first degree murder and kidnapping. Bruce was the only one of the four to plead guilty, so the other three pled not guilty but still got death sentences, because most of the time if you don't plea, guilty, they're going to add more shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Cause you had to put, you had to put the whole system through. Through that to begin with, I would. I would always do that too, Like quit lying dude. We got you.
Speaker 2:So Bruce only got 55 years because he cooperated in helping the police locate the bodies, which was on July 16th, so seven days after the crime was when they were found.
Speaker 1:So it was a seven-day spree.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't even that long. They were caught shortly after.
Speaker 1:It was four days five days, a five-day spree.
Speaker 2:And then, after Tiffany and Alan sold out Bruce, they got Bruce. Bruce crumbled Like he is sobbing.
Speaker 1:But they really had him like in three days whenever she came down and checked the ship.
Speaker 2:No, she came down.
Speaker 1:She didn't come down until four days Until four days, so they had him pretty much in the fourth day They've been my parents.
Speaker 2:I mean no disrespect, rhonda, whatsoever, but if it had been my parents in poor health, two states away after a day, and they weren't answering the phone, after they answered every day on schedule, I would have went after a day.
Speaker 1:I will check that next day. Yeah, I will check the next day.
Speaker 2:I would have been yeah, yeah, like I said, because they're in poor health.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If I don't hear from my parents, who are doing just fine and an hour away from us in a couple of days, I'm like hey checking in.
Speaker 1:Right, you in, right, you know, and if they don't answer back in like an hour, I'm like checking in again. Now. My feelers are out. This ain't right. Yeah, it's not right.
Speaker 2:Somebody's coming, we're on the way right. Like I said, he cooperated. He helped the police locate the bodies, which were located on july 16th, and bruce was the actually only one to show any remorse at all. Tiffany's trial lasted about a week and it took the jury less than an hour to deliberate. Good job, jury. Nine to three. Vote on the death penalty, which has since been overturned to a life sentence. Now my co-worker who you have now met that told us about, um uh, jessica mccarty.
Speaker 1:She also told me about this case really she was there when her life sentence got overturned really so she had tie-ins with two of these two really told me about one more too that we're gonna do later on.
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, and because she's like you know, when you're there you don't ask a lot of questions, but you'll hear everybody else talking about what they maybe know. So she doesn't even know a lot about these things that I have found in research. Wow, yeah.
Speaker 1:So she just knew that she was there while the other chick was there, and then it was just yeah, same spot, same place.
Speaker 2:So Tiffany swears that she had no idea that this murder was going to happen, just robbery, but the bitch held the flashlight while they were digging the grave. What do you think that they're going to do with this grave? What do you think Michael James Jackson is going to do with a six foot grave? Now, most of the sources I found did say six foot, like I said, only a couple said it was shallow, making it from the grave to the house.
Speaker 1:you're done feet.
Speaker 2:You know there's a lot of digging, yeah I don't think.
Speaker 1:I mean I don't know, because if you put a body there, you're only putting a couple of feet of dirt over top of that.
Speaker 2:So four feet but she's saying she didn't know they were going to do that she held the flashlight. Help them do it yeah, so fuck you, tiffany. She said that she had no idea that the Sumners were even in the trunk until they got to the gravesite.
Speaker 1:Probably helped them load an inn.
Speaker 2:Bitch. This would have never happened if it hadn't been for you and your connection to these people.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:These poor, sweet old people who did not deserve this.
Speaker 1:And Michael Jackson Whatsoever. Michael J Jackson wouldn't even know they had the 90 grand until she told him.
Speaker 2:Now Michael Jackson had a revealing phone call with his grandma who raised him. He called her mom, but it was his grandma, and I guess he didn't know that jail calls were recorded. And oh my God, give me two seconds to look up the podcast. They go in depth into this phone call and I could not. That was just too much to type.
Speaker 1:I was like fuck, but it's a lot on top of all the trauma I just gotta be sarcastic on top of how dumb you have to be to do I mean all this murder and everything over just 90 grand.
Speaker 2:So Homicide Worldwide podcast. They go in depth into this phone call that was made between Bruce and his grandmother and it is hilarious. But I just I did not. It would have took me another two hours to type out all that back and forth.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to be numb to it at all. This is crazy as fuck to me and but, at the same time, how dumb can you fucking be? How did you, how did you figure all of this shit out and make and come up with the conclusion that this is going to work?
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. These are dumb ass people.
Speaker 1:Kids, they're kids, kids, yeah. Children, they're kids, kids, yeah.
Speaker 2:Children. And why, tiffany fucking Cole? Why would you do that to these people?
Speaker 1:that took care of you.
Speaker 2:And you know that they're old and you know that they're feeble and you know that they're trusting, and how do you do something so heartless I couldn't even do that to one of our neighbors that we barely know.
Speaker 1:It's the most selfish thing I've ever heard in my life. Really, this one is.
Speaker 2:Like there's no amount of money, none that would make me kill, rob nobody I will go. I will get a job. I will work my job and. I will make my own money.
Speaker 1:I would rather live on the street than steal or rob somebody. I would never conspire into any of this stuff but to any of this stuff. But like life or death. It would have to be over a million dollars for me to be like I want to. I want to come up with this plan and I'm not going to kill anybody to begin with. But if I felt like I could get away with some kind of crazy murder, it would have to be way more than 90 grand and it would have to be somebody that had was horrible.
Speaker 1:It would have to be a horrible human being. It would be a Dexter Morgan type situation for me yes, that's the only murders that we would agree with is Dexter Morgan. I mean honestly, and I couldn't talk Lindsay into doing it anyhow, no matter even if it was a Dexter type situation. It's hard for me to kill a spider?
Speaker 2:I'm always telling Jesse save the spider, put it outside.
Speaker 1:I couldn't wrap my head around doing it. Period. I will kill a roach, though, but like I would have to feel, like if I ever did get in that mind space to where I felt like I'm gonna just like off somebody or I wouldn't even want to kill him, I would just like try to come up it'd have to be millions and I want my own island.
Speaker 2:Even though tiffany's situation was horrible, she's caring for her father who abused her death. Sumners would have taken her in in their house in Jacksonville. Probably helped her get a good job.
Speaker 1:There's the point where you fucking turn around. There's the point where you're like these people are a blessing to me. I have been through a lot of shit and I'm going to, I'm going to take this in and I'm going to just build back.
Speaker 2:She knew this guy two motherfucking months.
Speaker 1:And there's nothing in life for me and she said okay let's go rob these fuckers.
Speaker 2:And they weren't even in a serious committed relationship.
Speaker 1:They were together.
Speaker 2:two months they were in a situation ship.
Speaker 1:They were just fuck buddies. Pretty much that was what they were.
Speaker 3:And Michael J Jackson got up in the mix.
Speaker 1:And she was a dirty ass but trauma A lot of trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma. I'm not I'm not just going to just put all that right onto that poor human being, but on on both parties all around a lot of trauma.
Speaker 2:Even michael jackson.
Speaker 1:Right at michael and said no he should have stopped it to begin with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if tiffany didn't, alan and bruce should have said no. So Michael and Alan received death sentences. Michael Jackson was actually overturned to life, but then he was re-sentenced again to death. Tiffany had at that time been the youngest woman in history on death row in Florida until she was re -sentenced to life 2001?. Her trial was in 2007. So around 2007, 2008. Because she was just re-sentenced, not too long ago to life.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, so 2007,. She was the youngest Until a few years ago.
Speaker 2:She was the youngest and you know, there wasn't that many women on death row Eileen Wuornos, who we are covering soon. She, there wasn't that many women on death row, eileen Warno's, who we are covering soon. Ooh Um, she was one of the first women period to be on death row in Florida. Wow.
Speaker 1:And then Tiffany was the youngest, so they were in Baker County then, or they did they. What prison did they put them in?
Speaker 2:You know, I never, I didn't look that up.
Speaker 1:I bet they put them in Baker County.
Speaker 2:While we wrap this up, things that you can watch related to this crime. You can watch the third episode of the second season of your Worst Nightmare, the episode Good Deeds Punished on Wicked Attraction, the episode Loathe Thy Neighbor, which is the second episode of the fifth season on Deadly Women. So there's where you can watch things on that and I want us to watch those. We don't have to do it tonight, but we can. Yeah, um, that way you can put, yeah, that way you can.
Speaker 1:Everything really, I mean our conversation is just. I'm still appalled and a little intoxicated at the same time. I'm sinking it in, but it helps with the visual and you know it does that for me.
Speaker 2:So Reggie and Carol did uh, their remains did get cremated and Rhonda has them in an urn in her house and, Rhonda being the amazing person that she was, it was actually very grateful to Bruce for admitting the truth and for helping the police find the bodies. Yeah, Cause they could have not. None of them could have said anything at all.
Speaker 1:So, bruce, he wasn't so douchey, because I tell you as much true crime as I listen to.
Speaker 2:There are a lot of fuckers out there who will not tell they won't bend. They will not give the family closures, they won't bend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I completely hate all that. So is that the whole thing?
Speaker 2:That is it, that is our story and, like I said, most of the people put it just under Tiffany, but there was a group of them, so our episode is going to be Reggie and Carol Sumner.
Speaker 1:As chaotic as everything was and scattered out, with the teenagers that did everything.
Speaker 2:What a dumb ass decision, but honestly it wouldn't have happened without Tiffany.
Speaker 1:What a dumb ass decision. I'm not going to name our episode after her. Broken Tiffany, broken Tiffany.
Speaker 2:She was broken and I 100% admit that. But you don't take advantage of people that are there. Those were her angels and she didn't even know it.
Speaker 1:That should have been the turning point for her life. Right there. That right there Because you sit down with these people and I love hanging out with older people. Me and you have hung out and had conversations.
Speaker 2:My kids couldn't go to any of our neighbors in this cul-de-sac and get them to sell us a car on a plane.
Speaker 1:You remember that time we went camping and we was hanging out with that older woman.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I love her so much.
Speaker 1:And you learn so much.
Speaker 2:I talked to her. Life, yes, and that's human she is one of my very best friends. For 19 years now is what it was her relative and we had one of the best conversations ever.
Speaker 1:It was us two Us two and her, and we just sat by the fire.
Speaker 2:She was from New York and something that just oh.
Speaker 1:Stories and life.
Speaker 2:Like just her story when she said she was in an abusive relationship and the judge did not give a fuck at all. No, it was like that was just common women law and she was saying that women have been the most oppressed species on the planet for hundreds and thousands of years.
Speaker 1:I would say all the way up to like 2010.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's absolutely 100% true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I've known that, but when she said those words, it clicked with me how true that% true, yeah, and it just I mean, and I've known that, but it just like when she said those words, it clicked with me how true that statement was.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:When she told us the horrific things that she went through oh, I'm going to cry and she was not able to divorce that person.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and she settled, and she had no support from no law.
Speaker 2:No law, no lawmen, no nothing. She had no support.
Speaker 3:And it.
Speaker 2:just it was awful to me because I went through a similar situation and I had help, and I'm grateful for that. I had help and I don't know what I would have done without that help, but she had nothing and she rebuilt her life.
Speaker 1:What I really loved about that conversation was we came to her and and it turned into this conversation to where she felt comfortable enough to tell us that in confidence and she was like informative, you know, about life and how you know. Things were really shitty, you know, for women and the things that she had been through her personal experiences.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's just my best friend's cousin-in-law's grandmother and we had the best.
Speaker 1:They're all out there partying, they're camping, they're out there partying.
Speaker 2:That was a great weekend. It was hot, but it was great.
Speaker 1:Me and Lindsay and her were like this throuple of just gathering information about history Deep conversation, Jesse and I.
Speaker 2:This is when we still smoke cigarettes. We're drinking and chain smoking and getting it in. That's just real good. We had the best conversation with this woman.
Speaker 1:It's horrible that she went through those things, you know, and it's horrible that you went through through things too, lindsay, and and everybody goes through things at life, but sharing those conversations she was able to get out of it somehow, with no support, and that in confidence, like for us to sit down and she really needed that just as well, to be like hey, I'm sharing this information, common things that happened in my life, but y'all are gathering something from it and you're being receptive, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 1:You know those conversations I've had thousands of times with other older people because I really love doing that. And you even said as a kid you used to go to like the VA and hang out with veterans. That's all I did was hang out with old people, talk to them. There's just so much that you can grab from older people.
Speaker 2:I was the only child, my much, that you can grab from I was the only child. My parents, I mean, that's pretty much all we did was go to church yeah I was, definitely I'm not.
Speaker 2:This is not. This is a humble brag. I made very good grades and I was able to get into these special programs where I was at allowed to leave school and do cool things that some of the other kids that were struggling could not because their grades would suffer. And I was able to go to our VA hospital every Tuesday and we had we were all assigned a veteran that we would talk with and I actually taught one that was deaf and dumb, he could not hear, he could not speak. I was able to teach him some sign language. He had been in that VA hospital for years and he did not know any sign language.
Speaker 1:I was only eight years old, right? How much did that have to do? Eight years old, right, it did. How much did that have to do with your developmental like growing into the person that you are now?
Speaker 2:I well, I'm just saying I learned all that from sesame street. Just saying let your kids watch sesame street, let your kids watch this. I learned all the sign language I knew to teach this 90 year old man. That's sign language. It was, and they put paper and everything but it really developed you as a human being, oh yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:If you get to spend that time with older people and let your kids hang out with older people, not creepy ones.
Speaker 2:Definitely not.
Speaker 1:But let them experience those, because they look to them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, working in a restaurant has jaded me a little bit, but then I think back to those moments of where some of that time was very precious. Like I, my veteran was from world war one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, greatest generation, my veteran that I had.
Speaker 2:this was a different veteran that I taught the sign language to, but my assigned veteran was from world war one, 93 years old then, and that was in 90, 90.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so still the greatest generations people, so not boomers. I mean, we get annoyed by boomers at our age, but there's so much you can gather from them as well. You know it, just like as being a kid is growing up, you know. But anyhow, like what?
Speaker 2:I will say to any generation is have an open mind for all generations, learn from younger and older.
Speaker 1:Gather experiences and make them positive.
Speaker 2:Don't get stuck in your decade, in your generation. Go out and explore more things, because things do evolve and change. And it's all great. And, as older people will say, stay into younger people's generate or in metal Cause we're, we're metal heads, but we're listening to younger metal head generation and we fucking love it.
Speaker 1:yeah, and some people are just closed mind and be like, and even some of the younger people like I'll gather the same kind of vibe from younger people too, and their experiences, because it's uh their train of thoughts and digital world and everything you know and gathering things, uh, through a, through a screen. Know it's different, but also let your kids have that one-on-one with older people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we're elder millennials, We've had a little bit of it all.
Speaker 1:We've had before and after, you know, digital era. If there's any of those cool experiences, like the campfire, like we talked about, like share them with us, you know.
Speaker 2:And don't take advantage of old people ever God. Look out for them, protect them. They put in the time.
Speaker 1:You know they've put in the time and they've had. You never know what people, old people, have been through and sitting down and having those conversations with them and finding out. Don't fucking kidnap and murder them after they let you have a car over 90 grand, yes, jesus, but anyhow, lindsey, I thought you did great and and what was?
Speaker 2:99,000, but still nine grand, whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, michael J Jackson. I'm just going to hang on that.
Speaker 2:But I mean that's, that was a lot of money.
Speaker 1:It's still a lot of money but it's not worth 2000 and fucking whatever Seven. I'm just saying no money is worth doing any of that to anybody. Don't hurt people, don't kill people.
Speaker 2:No, so what band are you plugging today, sir?
Speaker 1:I have this amazing band.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm excited. I don't know anything about this one.
Speaker 1:You don't? I haven't said shit about fuck. No, I am going to surprise Lindsay and I'm going to go ahead and say that I talked to Villanova. Yay, I did, I did, I did DC Villanova.
Speaker 2:BC.
Speaker 1:BC. Bc Villanova yeah, I talked to him, the lead singer and yeah, he's like down.
Speaker 2:He's cool, he's really cool.
Speaker 1:Finally got a hold to him and because you mentioned him, god, I love them. You mentioned them in the last thing and I was like I'm going to have to just hook up because those guys are so amazing and, yeah, I'm going to play them. We played with them and I hired them one time. I think I took care of them pretty good and I want them back in Florida.
Speaker 2:Oh God, I want to go see them. So bad it's been years. I told them.
Speaker 1:I was like y'all got to come back to Florida. I don't know what they're doing. I don't know what they got hanging, what they got going. I don't know if they're doing shows Let me tell you just a little bit about their dynamic, how great they are.
Speaker 2:So Jesse puts on a metal fest out at one of our local bars.
Speaker 3:It's still about a 30-minute drive from where we are, but it's out in the sticks, it's a bar that mainly caters to sport fishermen and and they have fest, they have, they have, they have all kind of shit and he had already played out there a few times before, but he's like I want to put on this metal fest two days.
Speaker 2:He we invite all these amazing bands and when villanova went on, who is the least metal of every band that had played? We had hardcore fuckers. We had people that sound like.
Speaker 3:Slayer new metal everything.
Speaker 1:Yes, you know, just regular rock.
Speaker 2:Villanova went on. They brought down the fucking house.
Speaker 1:They brought down the house.
Speaker 2:Me and one of my besties, aaron, from Jacksonville. We were rocking the fuck out. We knew every song because of when you guys had played with them previously at the High Dive. So we had plugged their music, followed them, knew all their songs. We sang our hearts out and they literally brought down the house at Ellie Ray's bar and whatever whatever whatever it's called it was it was.
Speaker 1:It was a rough time because in the middle of that, like the, the coordinator, the event coordinator, he quit in the middle of it.
Speaker 2:So I had to like well, because I mean I'm going to say this the owner of that bar is an asshole and he's hard to work with, and the coordinator got into it with the owner.
Speaker 1:I don't know what all really happened. Even my band broke up in the middle of it too.
Speaker 2:All we know is the sound guy said fuck you, I'm done.
Speaker 1:I know what happened. But I don't know what happened because it hit me out of nowhere.
Speaker 2:So we literally had to rearrange another sound guy to come in, who luckily was like I'm on it, came in, put all the sound on.
Speaker 1:Villanova showed up and they're from south carolina, right yeah, I had, like, uh, no self come up from orlando, had all kind of cool bands. Um, what was the? What was the band? Three knuckles deep. They were great metal band from tampa yeah johnny knuckles, I think is his name yeah, really cool cat, the lead singer of that group.
Speaker 2:Really cool cat yeah, he's very active on social media.
Speaker 1:I see him a lot yeah, ever, all the bands were amazing oh god, it was such a fun weekend because we had rain in the middle of it. Remember all that. But we, we laughed so much that night. You remember us in that little thing that they put us in the little cabin.
Speaker 2:It was cute. We stayed with Sissy Shelley and Fam.
Speaker 1:It was really fun.
Speaker 2:We stayed on an air mattress and laughed ourselves to sleep Like Afterworks was just as good as the whole festival.
Speaker 1:The Villanova brought the house down and I want to play some Villanova. Lindsay, you did amazing.
Speaker 2:Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, yay Woo.
Speaker 1:Now let's hear some Villanova. Okay, I'm going to play it Hard to Be Around by Villanova. Yay, and I want you guys to really follow these guys. We've finally hooked up. I mean so many amazing bands, but I finally hooked up with Villanova because that is her heart, she loves it Love them. So some good rock and roll, Aaron.
Speaker 2:I'm dedicating this to you, boo. I know you just started listening to us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hey girl, hey girl.
Speaker 2:She's binging us right now. Today, she messaged me.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. She's going to love it and Villanova, we're going to share this and we and all the bands were going to support them. So, Villanova Hard to Be Around. It's my favorite song, so I had to play it because I'm it's mine too. Is it Bumps?
Speaker 2:Yes, and I love, and my second favorite is Straight to the Bottom, straight to the bottom.
Speaker 1:Check these guys out.
Speaker 2:We're ready to jam.
Speaker 1:We're ready to jam. We're going to play this song.
Speaker 3:Here you guys check Bye-bye.
Speaker 3:Would have been better, tearing me up inside. But there's only so much a man can take, there's only so much a man can break. And then you told me it's hard to be around, hard to be around me. When I get this way, it's hard to be around. Hard to be around me. Well, I know, I know the sky's falling and it won't stop calling my name. And you said it's hard to be around, hard to be around me. I call my name. You said it's hard to be around. Hard to be around me. Yeah, you said I could just take it all and stride. I'm just a fool befitting this path, who's lost the connection to this place, who's lost himself into a dark embrace. And if you told me it's hard to be around, hard to be around me when I get this way, it's hard to be around, hard to be around me. Well, I know, I know. Till the sky's falling and the birds start calling my name, and I heard you say it's hard to be around. Hard to be around me. Has the last of these days stood by me, half in a cold wind, stirring spirits in his breeze, blowing over to my knee? Thank you, to tell you. My mind Could have been better to have me up inside, but there's only so much a man can take, there's only so much a man can break.
Speaker 3:And then you told me it's hard to be around. Hard to be around me. When I get this way, it's hard to be around, hard to be around me. Well, I know, I know that the sky's falling and the world's out cold in my name, and I heard you say that it's hard to be around. Hard to be around me. When I get this way, it's hard to be around, hard to be around me. Well, I know that it's hard to be around. Hard to be around me. See, I know that the sky's falling and it won't stop calling my name, and I heard you say it's hard to be around. Hard to be around me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, amazing Balls.
Speaker 2:We love you so much, villanova, come back to Florida. We miss you, bc. We love you so much, villanova, Come back to Florida. We miss you, bc. We miss you. Bobby, I have your shirt, I have your face on a shirt.
Speaker 1:That.
Speaker 2:I need to wear.
Speaker 1:I haven't been able to wear it. I want to see him slapping the bass again. Slapping the bass. Come to Florida.
Speaker 2:One of the best bassmen Besides Les Claypool.
Speaker 1:Villanova honey, come to Florida my two favorite bassmen are Les Claypool.
Speaker 2:Villanova honey, come to Florida. My two favorite bassmen are Les Claypool from Primus and Bobby Bobby Villanova.
Speaker 1:I can't stop Bobby from Villanova.
Speaker 3:Bobby.
Speaker 1:Really cool band, really awesome.
Speaker 2:I'm so glad I got the opportunity to hook up Dred's down to his feet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hooked up.
Speaker 2:Or he did last time, had to play them, I don't know.
Speaker 1:They got a few albums out, so check all their stuff out. And they're dynamic, Like their albums are dynamic.
Speaker 2:They're like an incubus. There's another song that I really like.
Speaker 1:You know how incubus will have, like so many, different dynamics between Science and Morning View and like their, albums Burn in a Cage is a really good song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 1:They, they're just. They're just that dynamic, like one of the albums I was listening to because I was. I was checking out some of their other stuff. Some of it's kind of got a more of a country top swing to it and yeah, some of it's rock, some of it.
Speaker 2:He'll be like rock and I'm like damn they hit all the genres right in your soul they're so groovy, and that's why. I love great because Bobby goes off onto a tangent with his bass. Yeah, he's slapping a bass. Yeah, it's good shit.
Speaker 1:And they come out with that.
Speaker 2:And it's great and BC gets into it. He's a good showman, like he's, yeah. He's a good front man.
Speaker 1:A really cool band. So if you ever get a chance to check out Villanova North America or anywhere, hopefully these guys just decide they're just going to be famous and travel.
Speaker 2:I think. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure that he has a son named Cash.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow. So check out Villanova and thank you guys so much for listening and we will see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 2:And if you're new here, go back and listen to all of our backlogs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, check out the backlog, check out YouTube. I'm finally there. We're finally there.
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Speaker 1:And we will see you guys next Friday. Bye.
