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EPISODE 15: Tyler Hadley likes to party
As we sip on our favorite concoctions—a mango White Claw with a twist of Crown shots and a watermelon White Claw—we tackle this shocking story and much more. We start off with a spirited chat about our weekend antics, family gatherings, and the never-ending quest to stay relevant on social media, even as bans loom. Our conversation takes an unexpected turn as we uncover a new chapter in the infamous West Memphis Three case, with pristine evidence surfacing that could change everything we thought we knew.
As we raise our drinks, we invite you to join us for an in-depth look at Tyler Hadley's troubling journey from a young boy with health struggles to the unimaginable events that led to his parents' murder. We explore the complexities of mental health, the challenges faced by his family, and the impact on his brother Ryan. With a blend of humor and sincerity, we navigate the chilling details of Tyler's life and the deep-seated issues that culminated in a night of shocking revelations and horrifying actions.
Wrapping up, we spotlight the incredible band Lori and the Darlings, blending their melodic tunes into our playlist as we reflect on the resilience of artists and families alike. We tease our listeners with an exciting two-parter on Aileen Wuornos and ponder the intricacies of true crime storytelling. Join us next time for more gripping stories, engaging discussions, and maybe even a few more shots to keep the spirits high.
Hey, jesse hey.
Speaker 2:Lindsay.
Speaker 1:What are you drinking today?
Speaker 2:I'm drinking mango white claw with, like, some mango energy drink. And then I made three shots of different kind of crowns. Okay, Crown apple crown, vanilla and the blackberry BamBlam.
Speaker 1:Well, you're going to need them shots, because today's case is rough.
Speaker 2:It's what you told me. I'm not scared, you should be. No, I got liquid courage and I'm ready. What are you drinking over there?
Speaker 1:I've got a watermelon White Claw.
Speaker 2:We've decided to be British because we started saying the snozzberries taste like snozzberries. We were checking the mic and she was like the snozzberries taste like snozzberries and then she does this whole teeth and grin beaver thing and I was trying to match her.
Speaker 1:I can put it on our Instagram.
Speaker 2:I can't match her. Her snozzberry level is way cooler than mine. It is.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Thank you, I'm taking a bow.
Speaker 2:Hang on, wait here, ready there? No, I'm not. I'm not doing the intro yet because I want to know what we're drinking about. You usually say like a little something before I get off into it, don't you?
Speaker 1:I already told you it was rough. Okay, today we are drinking about you. Usually say like a little something before I get off into it. I already told, I told you it was rough. Okay, today we are drinking about tyler hadley tyler, is it, sir tyler hadley, fuck no fuck, no, he got a big fuck. No on that one okay and he is uh, it's another florida case. We're gonna have a few Florida cases.
Speaker 2:Florida.
Speaker 1:Then we're going to travel.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we're going to get out of the state.
Speaker 1:Finally, we're going to travel across the ocean.
Speaker 2:There's a lot that went on in Florida, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm going to go ahead and do this. Yeah, happy Friday. Everybody. Here we go. I know you're rocking in my Air Force One. He's rocking in my Air Force One. It's stomping, stomping in my Air Force One. It's stomping Stomping in my Air Force One. Whatever, hey, hey, hey, hey, lindsay.
Speaker 1:Hey.
Speaker 2:And it's going to be a great weekend and we're going to just have a fabulous time and you're going to tell me about fabulous, horrific things yeah, we've had a good weekend so far.
Speaker 1:We had some chinese last night, a little visit from the grand babies, and then we had a nice feast at the place of my employment with the family today, had some nice bloody marys and some nice food and came home it was a nice time.
Speaker 2:Yes, nobody was like shitty, and usually I'm the one that gets shitty because I'm all like. You're listening here. Y'all better take care of your kids. I'm gonna have to whip your ass never. They're doing a good job. They're doing a good job. We're happy grandparents because we're old as shit. I think the older you get, the less you care. But there's like a point where you have that, uh, I don't know about, the less you care about what others think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, but like you know, being an old crotchety, you know I am.
Speaker 3:Get off my lawn.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yeah, old, never cracker, over here. There was a podcaster that I listened to and he used to be like'm gonna be the old guy that says get on my lawn, no, that wouldn't be cool, unless you have a cooler of uh, some some ice cold drinks and a charcuterie like in your car. Get off my lawn yeah, I think, uh, that's, that's. That's more attractive than a white fan like trying to give somebody candy, I guess. Hey kids, do you want to come play with me and eat my charcuterie?
Speaker 1:No, that only appeals to adults. Kids are like well what's that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you got Fortnite? I don't know. There's kids.
Speaker 1:There's whole kids TikTok talks about the hundreds of dollars of products that they're using as a skincare routine at like nine. But you know what? Yeah, that's a whole.
Speaker 2:Kids at nine. Yeah, they need skincare.
Speaker 1:That are using like 40 and up products.
Speaker 2:Eat better food.
Speaker 1:These McDonald's has got me breaking out at five TikTok is wild, but I'm so glad it didn't get banned, so glad. Yeah, it's a nice escape sometimes, and I have. But I mean, I had already followed everybody that I follow on TikTok.
Speaker 2:I had followed them on their other shit, just in case, especially one of my favorites, Dante Elizabeth James, Even even in like even in the long run, like it was a good thing that there was a threat that that whole social media thing was going to get banned or whatever, Because it did it opened up different avenues and don't run, which we need to get in different social media as well. That way we're working both platforms and everything Something out of the meta world. So we'll work on that. That's coming soon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I'm doing the best that I can.
Speaker 2:Like I share all of our stuff. You were wanting to do something on X too, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess it's not Twitter anymore, is it? No See that's how out of date we are, all right. So that's my goal Next week, us up an X account. I'm just worried. Twitter is mean, so I just I worry about that. I don't want people coming for me, but I guess that just comes with shit like that.
Speaker 2:Well, we're all doing this ourselves, so like you can just set it up and then, you know, get on it whenever you think about it. If you say we suck, we'll be like all right, whatever, yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 1:You don't have to listen.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I put, I do put, we put some work in and they, so I hope that those of you that are listening appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and thank you so much you know I really appreciate it, and Lindsay does too, and we had somebody actually hit us up and they were like hey, I know you still got your thing going on and we want you to play our music. So that was cool. So I'm looking forward to sharing that later on, seeing that we're just we're expanding a little bit more new followers, new listeners, uh, youtube there's a lot shaking now on youtube, so that's good guess what I found out.
Speaker 1:I just remember what the little news that I told you about, to remind me about. So and this is like old news, but I didn't know about it. In all my research that I did on the west memphis three, I didn't know this is that the one where the guy on YouTube sent a thing?
Speaker 2:Go ahead. I'm sorry Not to interrupt.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I guess it was about three years ago or so. Remember how I told you that there was evidence that was supposedly burnt in a fire, but there was no evidence of this fire.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all the evidence that they needed to free those boys in 93.
Speaker 2:Had been there.
Speaker 1:Been there the whole time.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's in pristine condition.
Speaker 1:Pristine condition, or it was when they found it three years ago, and I just found this out. Knowing that there's been people who touched that and look at that, all the rabbit holes of this case and I looked that up yesterday and I couldn't find anything on that, but I did find some YouTube videos confirming it.
Speaker 1:Ah yeah, I couldn't find anything on Google deep, dark into Google. I mean not dark into Google, but deep down. You know 47 pages. I still could not find. All it said was you know new evidence to be tested, but there hasn't been any update that I could find on that evidence being tested.
Speaker 2:Well, they had their narrative, their whole Satan, the whole satanic panic narrative. They had to stick to Right. What do you think that's going to come out like about the JFK files that just got?
Speaker 1:released. Oh God, that's going to be wild, because remember that is the communist narrative, right there, right.
Speaker 2:What do you think could come out there?
Speaker 1:So so many conspiracy theories about that. So, many so, like when last podcast on the left covered that subject, they did two episodes on the case and then they did a whole episode on just the conspiracy theories. Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 2:There's hundreds Like.
Speaker 1:I was. My jaw was on the floor. I could not. I knew there was a couple, but not as many as they talked about that was really cool.
Speaker 2:So many different things that are coming out to light, and that's that's a good thing though, like the truth, the real stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like let's, let's, let's get rid of the conspiracy theories and let's just know the truth.
Speaker 2:That's, it's simple I like conspiracy theories though it keeps things on sips on that yeah, so many uh cool things, things that get turned and twisted, and then, like I don't like think that all that's true right off, rip until, like you know, there's no doubt you know I give it a chance. Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1:And then it gets to the point where you're like, oh, that's a little far-fetched, yeah. Yeah, like the whole flat earth thing, jesus All right, so you, yeah, like the whole flat earth thing, Jesus. All right, so you ready to get started? Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, Fire off girl.
Speaker 1:All right, so let's begin. Tyler Hadley was born on December 16th 1993.
Speaker 2:On my birthday.
Speaker 1:Yes, woo To Blake and Mary Jo Hadley in Port St Lucie, florida. Oh, the Pizzle Yeahley in Port St Lucie.
Speaker 2:Florida. Oh the Pizzle, yeah, yeah, port St Lucie.
Speaker 1:So I have spent quite a bit of time in Port St Lucie. I years ago dated somebody from there and my sisters lived in Stewart, the neighboring one of the neighboring cities.
Speaker 2:Tell me, stewart, we're going to go to Port St Lucie and we're going to hang out in Stewart.
Speaker 1:We're going to go to Port St Lucy and we're going to hang out and stay down the Indian river bridge. Yeah, tyler had an older brother named Brian and his father, blake, was an engineer at the Port St Lucy nuclear power plant and Mary Jo was an elementary school teacher. So they were decently well off and seemed like a pretty solid family. They were also active, very active, in the Catholic church. Like they were both altar boys, and Mary Jo did readings every week, and Tyler he had been born about a month premature and had to stay in the NICU for about three weeks because his lungs were underdeveloped.
Speaker 2:That's like the predominant religion south of Orlando. It is Catholic. Yeah, thereant religion. South of Orlando it is Catholic. Yeah, there's a lot of Catholics.
Speaker 1:My sister's dad is Catholic but he's in the Kissimmee area but they were further south. He spent a lot of time in that area.
Speaker 2:Well, between the Latinos that moved up to Miami and then all the New Yorkers that moved down, the Italians and the people, all the snowbirds that moved in. So I get it.
Speaker 1:So Mary Jo was there every day when he was in the NICU but feared she wasn't getting enough skin-to-skin bonding time, because that is important. When he was just three months old he also got a bad case of the chicken pox, which is wild Because actually I don't know, I didn't start having kids until 2001. And there was a vaccination for that at that time, like all my boys got vaccinated for chicken pox. That's why they never had it. But I remember like at my, in our birth years, remember they used to have the chicken pox parties.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we all got together and tried to catch it.
Speaker 1:So you would get immune to it, because if you didn't get it as a child, you got it an adult it because if you didn't, get it as a child. You got it an adult it was like super dangerous, yeah, or shingles later on, oh yeah, that's what it is when you're older, If you've never had chicken pox as a kid and you get shingles later on, it could.
Speaker 2:It can put you in the hospital and worse yeah.
Speaker 1:So doctors also discovered that Tyler had a hormone imbalance and I guess this was in his like toddler age and he was put on thyroid medication really young thyroid issues can lead to delayed growth and development. Symptoms also include depression, behavioral problems, weight gain and delayed puberty. When I was younger because I was a junkie kid I got tested for thyroid shit all the time but I didn't have it. I just think it was genetics. I mean, as you've seen all my boys, we go through a chunky stage and it was like we kind of they thin out, thin out get taller and yeah, then they get comfortable again.
Speaker 2:Like dalton, you're all this boy.
Speaker 1:He's like I don't care, you don't want to eat yes, but he works really hard so it like balances out, but he had gotten way too thin for a while and he's like he's good weight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my whole family's been pretty thick, myself too.
Speaker 1:And so is mine. So, yes, genetics with us. So, despite all of this, tyler seemed to be very close to his parents and as a child he was a very quiet and well-behaved boy. He did, however, suffer from self-esteem issues at a young age, like really young. He started obsessing over his weight as a toddler Wow, as a toddler. That reminds me of one of Silas's friends, who I mean when they were like what? Eight years old. He was talking about calories and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were kind of obsessing about it. That was kind of weird yeah. Maybe he had some like skin care products too. Oh God.
Speaker 1:So this caused parental guilt in blake and mary joe and they did coddle him and neither one wanted to be a real disciplinarian. I want to make it known that that was the only bad thing that anybody could ever say about blake and mary joe. That was, they just didn't want to be real he.
Speaker 2:He was the only child.
Speaker 3:No, he was the second second. Oh, okay, he was the youngest of two boys, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1:So there was Ryan and Tyler.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:They were both very well liked, both very funny, and it's been said that Blake would just like bust out randomly into song which same that we both do that. And Mary Jo seemed to be very protective of him. And Tyler was called a mama's boy.
Speaker 2:What was the thing that I seen on Tik TOK the other day where the husband's like what's going on in your song when you're in your head right?
Speaker 1:now he's like what song is going on in your ADHD brain right now? And then she would just like randomly start singing off the way and I'm like I relate and you relate. Yeah, that's what's in mind, right? I relate and you relate.
Speaker 3:The hills are alive with the sound of music.
Speaker 2:That's what's in my mind right now. Tell me what's in yours, Tell me. Tell me You're on the spot.
Speaker 1:I'm on the spot. There's like seven going on right now. Okay, so Corn Flake Girl by Tori Amos has been on my mind a lot lately because I was listening to True Crime Obsessed and she mentioned it, so it's been in my head.
Speaker 2:So that's one of the five that you got going on there.
Speaker 1:Yeah to ten, and then they had it coming. They had it coming, yeah, they had it coming all along. Yes, I'm so glad that a lot of the Chicago songs are trending on TikTok right now. It's making my heart so happy. Yeah, so Tyler would go on to attend Village Green Environmental Study School, which is a magnet school where Mary Jo taught first grade.
Speaker 1:This school had a curriculum designed to help students become world changers who would care about conservation and the environment. Teachers at this school would say that Tyler was a bright student with a sharp sense of humor. Mary Jo was very involved with his education and often checked in with all of his teachers, and Tyler always got good grades, but socially he wasn't doing well and didn't have any real friends for a few years. At the age of nine, in 2003, he would become very close with a neighborhood kid named Michael Mandel. Michael's family had just moved to the neighborhood neighborhood, and he and Tyler became friends right away, riding bikes and playing with Pokemon cards, and one day in 2004, though, michael went to meet Tyler in a clearing down a trail. They plan to play outside until dark, and then Ryan, the older brother Tyler's older brother promised to give them a drive to the mall.
Speaker 1:They were 10 at this time and they were going to pull their allowances together to buy some new Pokemon cards. So Tyler was already at the clearing, climbing trees and was holding a bungee cord that was tied to a branch Remember, they're 10. Tyler then made this bungee cord into a noose and said to Michael I'm going to kill myself. What so? Michael was scared as fuck, but then Tyler started to laugh, indicating that he was just joking. Michael was relieved but very, very shook. But they continued to play as if it never happened and, unfortunately, michael's suicidal tendencies would go unnoticed, and when weird behavior was brought to their attention, mary Jo and Blake would just turn a blind eye. Well, they chalked it up to a dark sense of humor. I mean, there's dark senses of humor, but don't turn yeah don't, yeah, don't.
Speaker 2:Don't. Turn your blind eye to your kids, is anything?
Speaker 1:that's's too young. That's too young Just don't let it.
Speaker 2:Just don't do that. And also, if somebody comes at you with something you know, take it in consideration. Be like, hey, they're observation of my child too, you know, because you know which ones are just going to start shit and you know which ones are going to come to you. And be like, hey, I'm concerned, you know Right, yeah.
Speaker 1:As Tyler got older, his self-esteem issues would get worse and not tended to. Once a doctor called him sturdy and he thought that that was the doctor calling him fat. That's yeah, is that serious? Mary Jo would always tell him that he was perfect and nothing was wrong with him. He would go on to complain about his height and Mary Jo got a doctor to prescribe him the human growth hormone, even though this can worsen depression, which Tyler already was showing signs of. This treatment would cost the Hadleys $3,000 a month, causing Mary Jo and Blake to go into debt.
Speaker 2:What a scam $3,000 a month.
Speaker 1:So, human growth, that's steroids right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty much I mean, but it was a scam too. Are you going to push it on a child?
Speaker 1:I mean according to all sources that I found it was Mary Jo's idea, because Tyler was so insecure about his height that she feared that he was going to get picked on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and she thought she was helping. You got to let the kids be kids. I mean they're going to grow.
Speaker 1:Look at all my boys. Remember how they obsess over their height and they're still. None of my older boys are very tall, because it's just not in their genes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not, and that's what we told them growing up, though we were pretty damn close. Hey, we think you're going to be around six foot five nine six, but you know all that they really cared about is that they were taller than me.
Speaker 1:They achieved that, yeah, so at 13,. To deal with his weight and emotional problems this is at 13. Tyler would turn to drugs. He would start by sneaking alcohol from his friend's parents, then on to smoking and selling Satan's cabbage. Then he would start taking any pills he could find Ecstasy X, xanax, pain pills and this can happen in teens with untreated mental illnesses. We've seen that right.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, before all this, but and I'm going to say this too even when your child shows symptoms like this and you, you try to get them help, if they don't accept it, there's still not much you can do, and we've dealt with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, once they get it in their head, especially if they're stubborn, if they're not cooperative.
Speaker 1:there's really not much you could do. No, don't coddle them. Yes, do everything that you can do, but they have to be a willing participant, to want to get better, to, to accept the help.
Speaker 2:So there's a sense of positive persuasion and you got to try it.
Speaker 1:But if it doesn't work and unfortunately, the resources we have in this area are just not it. They're just not it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so something clicked earlier on in his childhood where he felt like he had to keep up with the Joneses and look like a cookie cutter kid, you know and he couldn't he couldn't fight it anymore. There's some kind of psychosis that happened there.
Speaker 1:So before all this, tyler had seemed shy and polite at school but then started having loud outbursts, laughing out loud to himself. Remember that mooing like a cow shit like that. Neighborhood parents started not wanting their kids to hang out with him. One childhood friend would say that Tyler would often joke about suicide and murder A lot.
Speaker 2:I remember as a teenager, though, like we would do stupid shit like that.
Speaker 1:Did you talk like that?
Speaker 2:No, because I don't know, but like the stupid outburst, just to get like some kind of attention.
Speaker 1:Even you would be like elbow your buddy, be like and the teacher be like okay, okay, okay, you're talking about the house first, not talking about suicide and murder no, no, no, no, hell, no, no, I didn't, I'll go on to talk about shit that these kids talked about and I'm just like um, I've been around dark conversations, but not that dark right around.
Speaker 2:What time period was this here now?
Speaker 1:Okay, so he was born in 93, so this was early 2000s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, I just know as a kid in the mid to late 90s it was a different thought process.
Speaker 1:So on an evening out with longtime friends, tylee would ask Mary Jo over and over if she hated him and wanted him dead. Mary Jo acted like it was no big deal, but she would finally realize that there was some problems when Tyler and some friends set a couch on fire in a preserve like a wildlife preserve down in that area. She finally set some rules, but there wasn't any real consequences if he broke them and his behavior continued to get worse and worse and he started stealing money from his parents, cash from their wallets and even taking their bank cards and withdrawing money. His parents would even tell visiting friends and family members to keep their wallets and purses locked in their car or keep them close on their person.
Speaker 2:Oh, hell no.
Speaker 1:Right. So Mary Jo would track him on his cell phone to know where he was and when. He didn't come home one night she located him at a party and dragged his ass out. Now this did not really make tyler uh want to turn things around, it just angered and embarrassed him. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Further down he went like yeah, just kind of just kept on and some of the friends aiming that way toward negative.
Speaker 1:Right. Some of the friends actually thanked her for taking him home, like that's how belligerent he was, wow yeah. So they also found out that he was skipping school almost every day and he was starting to show signs of bulimia. His brother would notice that he was spending a lot of time in the bathroom after meals and heard him throwing up several times. Ryan said that he would eat a whole pizza, go to the bathroom and throw up, take a shower and then come out and be like hey, can we go to McDonald's? Yes, stuff like that. I don't want to downplay this at all because I've been through it.
Speaker 2:What do you think about those growth hormones making him do all that, though A lot of it?
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, and they don't really talk about the effects of that in any of the sources I found out I found at all they don't really focus on that and I think that I had a lot to do with this.
Speaker 2:You're pumped up on some shit and you're going through some mental shit at the same time, and then you're still trying and you're not getting the results, and you're trying to lose weight and yeah, oh, oh, that I mean. Yeah, and thyroid problems too On top of all that. Hello, parents should have been parenting a little bit better on this I don't want to, so far, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, I do feel like it, straighten them up and make them understand hey, this is life, this is how it is going to be. You're going to find bullies. You're going to find people in life that are going to reject you. You're going to find people that accept you. We told our grandkid to get the corner last night and she cried so much.
Speaker 1:It was literally 30 seconds and she was good. She did exactly what we said it was like go get in the corner.
Speaker 2:That was it get in the corner. That was it, and she was just she melted. Uh, gotta punch him a little bit. Yeah, a little bit of real, you know right, and like I said she melted down for like 30 seconds.
Speaker 1:Then I looked at her. I said um, are you? Are you, are you ready to lay down now? And she said yeah and she got right up there and laid down she was out in like a minute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was tired fussing because what's the same hindsight is 2020, like we've been through some shit as parents and we really don't have no real advice to give. We can just say what we would have done. But we've been in a lot of shitty positions like this and you don't really know what to do until it's gone and passed, and then you're like, oh, I should have done that Well, you make your best decision as parents.
Speaker 2:You know you try to do the best and it's hard.
Speaker 1:OK, I'm not going to say it sucks, it's hard. Parenting is hard, so other family members would find pools of vomit in their backyards as well. By this time he was 6'1 and wore a size 32 in pants, so Mary Jo could not understand why he was still suffering from body issues.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's already. That's average. That's a trim fit size.
Speaker 1:But when you have and I'm going to talk about this, and I'm going to say when you have, which I think is what he suffered from body dysmorphia, you don't see that?
Speaker 2:Now he was looking at himself in a different light. Yeah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:And at this point Blake and Mary Jo were fighting constantly and shit really hit the fan when Mary Jo wanted to buy Tyler a car. Blake was not for rewarding him with bad behavior and they were already in debt because of the HGH treatments. But Mary Jo was insistent on this because she thought it would help Tyler's self-esteem. So I see both points. She's trying to help her kid thrive. Blake's like fuck, no, he's bad, he don't deserve a car. And I see both points.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's trying to give a little to get something positive. So Blake had a friend that suggested that he get a summer job at the plant where Blake works. But Blake wasn't sure about subjecting his co-workers to Tyler's tantrums and sulking because he literally still kind of acted like a baby. Like I said in the beginning, the thyroid can help you mature later on, so he was still tantruming and acting like you know a toddler a little bit, battling all of his internal emotional things going on yeah.
Speaker 1:So when Tyler didn't get a car this is where I veer more on blake's side when tyler didn't get a car at 16, he would take. He would just take his parents without permission.
Speaker 1:Wow and he was emotionally unstable, though I mean his, his dad could see that yes, and when asked why he was doing this, he said that he felt cooped up. So they finally caved and got him his own car, thinking that this would be what would finally make him a happier person. They bought him a brand new, like gold Lincoln. Now, okay, get him a car, don't get him a new one. No, don't get him a new one. Get him a fucking clunker that cost $1,000. We were talking about that earlier.
Speaker 2:Our second to youngest.
Speaker 1:He just got a pretty much brand new car like a 23 and it was for a very good price, though, yeah, I can't argue with that at all I'm getting my son is we're our son, our youngest.
Speaker 2:He's getting an old truck because I know how kids can beat up cars.
Speaker 1:But the other son, his first car, was a lot older, it was about God. It's 15 years old this year.
Speaker 2:I mean a kid's first car really needs to be something they can learn with.
Speaker 1:Mine was only a year old when I got it, but I had half the money. The whole price of the car was $8,000. It was a cheaper car.
Speaker 2:It was a Mercury Tracer. Well, vehicles were way different.
Speaker 1:I would say I had half of that money saved up, and my dad just went ahead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you earned it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I worked really hard.
Speaker 2:And that's a different level of maturity and your mental state.
Speaker 1:Because I wanted that freedom and my parents were dead set on you're going to earn it and I did, and I mean I fucked up a lot, but that was a goal of mine.
Speaker 2:That instilled a lot into you though working hard for it. Yeah, me too. You know I worked hard for everything that I've ever had in life and it's a good thing you got to do that. You got to put that in the kids for sure.
Speaker 1:Now this did help for a while, but he would go back to his destructive behavior soon enough. He would skip school for weeks at a time or just show up for one class and then leave. So he dropped out of school. But he wanted to go to college at the Indian River State College and they had a drop back in program which would help him get his GED. And he did this but was kicked out like really quick for smelling like Lucifer's lettuce.
Speaker 2:The devil's lettuce. The devil's lettuce, Marijuana Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Boomer. Listen, I'm trying to put cute little names for it.
Speaker 2:Okay, a wacky weed. That ganja, that dank.
Speaker 1:So his mom even tried to get him to go back to school to regular high school, by saying that truancy officers were going to come after her, but he did not care. He did end up going back to PSL High, but he was getting in. He started getting into fights over drugs. Someone smashed his window after Tyler tried to rob him and his parents literally just shrugged this off when asked, saying it was bullies who did it In April of 2011,. So now we're in 2011,. This is where we'll stay for a while.
Speaker 1:He was actually charged with aggravated battery on one of his friends. He spent a week in jail and another two on house arrest. Now Blake and Mary or Mary Jo at this time actually like took his cell phone, but he still was communicating through the computer and he reached out to this girl, mercedes Maxine, marco. He was talking about his mom and he's complaining about Mary Jo taking his phone, and Tyler says yep, she's a cunt for sure I might kill her. Mercedes says OMG, no, jail, I mean prison, lol. And Tyler Hadley says oh well, heart, yeah, this is what we're doing. This is where we're at right now. It's becoming a thing. Yeah, I'm going to take a shot. This is what we're doing.
Speaker 2:This is where we're at right now. It's becoming a thing. Yeah, I'm gonna take a shot. Okay, this is the cheers one. We're going there eventually.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you wanna go when everybody knows your name.
Speaker 2:That's Crown Vanilla. I don't know which ones are. What now?
Speaker 1:Okay, so it's gonna be a little surprise, it's good. Cheers, cheers everybody.
Speaker 2:So it feels like Some, it's going to be a little surprise. It's good, cheers, cheers everybody. So it feels like some shit's fixing to go down.
Speaker 1:So Blake and Mary Jo took him to New Horizons Mental Health Clinic. They wanted him to have inpatient care. The clinic did, but Tyler refused and Mary Jo and Blake couldn't.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what he needed.
Speaker 1:But listen, I'm getting there, but Blake and Mary Jo couldn't have him involuntarily committed legally upon his evaluation because he did not meet the requirements. This is where we fuck up. That's exactly where you fuck up I have been through this with a child of mine and it is frustrating. So frustrating, Because I'm like I'm telling them paragraph after paragraph, after story after story of shit that we're going through in our home and they're just like well, what do they think?
Speaker 2:You're manifesting this shit just to dump your kid off on them. I mean what?
Speaker 1:are they thinking so? They're now trying to take steps in the right direction, and it's not working.
Speaker 2:And even if you gather up all the stuff and you come at them, you know, like here's all the stuff that he's done before this. Here it all is I had files he needs to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know files, thick files.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Of documentation.
Speaker 2:And they're still like no.
Speaker 1:So his bullshit continued and they tried another clinic called Riga Mental Health Center and Tyler agreed upon the outpatient program, which was actually covered under Blake's insurance, so they didn't have to go into more debt. But honestly, there really seemed to be no end in sight to his behavior issues.
Speaker 2:Not to be negative about the situation, but did that work? No, Otherwise your story would already be over.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Keep on going, yes.
Speaker 1:So one night he was at a friend's house named Matt Nobles and they were hanging out and chiefing it up. He was happy to be chilling out away from his parents, who had become just insufferable since his arrest. All he wanted was to have a big rager at his house, but he knew his parents wouldn't allow it. I mean, this is what is in this kid's mind. I want to be popular, I want to have a party and my parents are getting in the way with it. Fuck all the things that I've done. Just forget about that.
Speaker 2:Not going to worry about anything positive, not going to build anything for myself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he felt like his parents didn't love him anymore. Children, teenagers if y'all are out there possibly listening to this, we do love you and that is why we are insufferable. That is why we are doing the things that we do to help you, and it just makes it really frustrating when nothing takes. You know, we're just trying to help you, we're trying to help you do better.
Speaker 1:Literally we break down to them and say we're trying to help prevent what I'm going to talk about in the next 30 minutes Exactly. We're trying to help prevent what I'm going to talk about in the next 30 minutes Exactly.
Speaker 2:We break down and we'll say, yeah, we referenced some things like this and we also reference each of them in certain stages of their life and be like listen, your brother did this because he didn't listen, or your other brother did this and he got this because he did listen and he earned it. So we use those examples and the exemplatory things that you can use in life. That's what teaching people is about.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say this again Raising kids is hard, yeah, or it has been for me. If y'all have, like what they call, gentle kids out there, kudos to you, you're blessed.
Speaker 2:Not everybody gets that nice walk down the sidewalk, you know yeah.
Speaker 1:So he took a big old bong rip. He looked around the room and announced I'm going to kill my parents, To which everyone just laughed. Apparently, he and his friends would often joke about things like this, along with burning down churches or killing babies. That's what I'm saying. Have you been a part of conversations like that? I used to hang around a lot of dudes and they didn't talk about shit like that, so that kind of shocks me.
Speaker 2:In stupid context. Like we used to say like the most.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know we listen to metal and they sing about shit like that.
Speaker 2:Well, most of them don't that I listen to?
Speaker 1:No, I mean we'll leave the death metal like Norwegian death metal and shit.
Speaker 2:Even well.
Speaker 1:Cannibal Corpse did it just as a theme Infinite Annihilator.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do that as a theme.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a theme. It's not real.
Speaker 2:And just the same as, like, all of my buddies would get together and we would talk stupid, crazy shit in the most disgusting things in the most disgusting way, because we were doing it on purpose to be like shocking yeah.
Speaker 1:That is a lot of reason why Tyler was ignored, because they would all kind of talk about shit like that, but nobody knew that in his mind he was actually being very dark For real.
Speaker 2:That's a complete difference.
Speaker 1:So and he said it again, I'm really going to kill my parents yo and detailed his plans. That's where it again.
Speaker 2:I'm really going to kill my parents yo and detailed his plans.
Speaker 1:That's where it shifts To me.
Speaker 2:It would be like wait a dude.
Speaker 1:He said he would catch them off guard. I mean he would have to. Blake was a huge guy I think he was like 6'2" 300 pounds and he would take their money, throw a big-ass party while their bodies were still in the house, because no one had ever done that before.
Speaker 2:Lansy.
Speaker 1:Michael Mandel would hate when he would make jokes like this, because Michael Mandel was his best friend. He felt like it was genuine and he loved Mary Jo and Blake and considered them like second parents. He loved them very much. Tyler actually started saying that blake was his stepfather and that his real father was dead and that blake would abuse him physically and sexually, and this was a hundred percent not true at all. This was just tyler being fucking wild.
Speaker 1:I mean just dark this is just shit, he's starting to make up to build a path.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of dark turmoil going on.
Speaker 1:And all of Tyler's friends and Ryan's friends loved Blake and thought he was a super fun guy and he played basketball with them, took them to FSU games. That's a long drive.
Speaker 2:All the way to.
Speaker 1:Tallahassee Fuck Six hours, even if you're going to Gainesville, or anyway, you know what I'm saying. Fsu games are more tended to be around here, right? I mean, I haven't really been to a lot of them, but I haven't been to any FSU games.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but if you're going all the way to Tallahassee from there, I mean I said games, If you do that five times in a season, that's a lot, that's a lot. Yeah, even if you caught him playing Miami, or you caught him playing even Gainesville, yeah, so still, that's a lot.
Speaker 1:So Tyler flipped a switch and Mary Jo actually started to think that Tyler was doing better. He was where he said he was going to be, like when she would track his phone, he was coming home on time, he was helping out more around the house, but this was all an act. His plans to kill his parents was still on his mind. Well, blake also noticed that he was doing better, so he wanted to take Tyler on a family trip and his uncle noticed that something was off about Tyler, where Blake and Mary Jo were like, oh, he's doing better. The rest of the family is like, hmm, he was, I guess, some nights like in the cabin he was drawing and Tyler actually drew the cabin in flames and he would wander outside in the middle of the night and the aunt and uncle even woke up one night to him peering in their window.
Speaker 1:Blake didn't find an issue with this. Another uncle said that they were taking a walk through a trail and he had, like this walking stick and he kept whacking. He was being annoying. And the uncle's like, dude, you know, uh, cut that shit out. And he's like, oh, I'm just whacking spiders. So he's whacking the stick. The uncle's, like, you know, cut that shit out and he just blurts out menendez brothers like I don't know where, what, and the uncle's like I'm sorry, what you know, the menendez brother story, which I think that's a whole different subject.
Speaker 1:I know a little bit, so when you do it, I won't yeah I'm not gonna elaborate on it because I have a different opinion about that whole situation now. Anyways, the uncle was. Uncle was like what are you talking about? And he's like yeah, they're my heroes On the way back, even after all this wild behavior. He told his dad that he had a great time and Blake was happy about this, but Tyler was still actually planning his parents' murder.
Speaker 2:He was in deep planning now and not letting them see it.
Speaker 1:So after returning home, tyler started gathering his tools a knife, a hammer and some hedge clippers and hid them in his bedroom. On Friday, july 15th, the family went to dinner to celebrate another family member's birthday. On the way he stopped to get gas and Tyler saw a friend who said it was his birthday. And Tyler was, like we'll come by the house tomorrow and I'm going to have a big party and we'll celebrate together.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute, Lindsay. So are you fixing to hold on.
Speaker 1:We got. We got some more time. So at the restaurant, tyler was exceptionally good and actually hugged family members, which is something he hadn't done in a very long time, very long time. Mary Jo was actually thinking that she had the old Tyler back. Well, that night while they were sleeping, tyler snuck into his parents' room with the hedge clippers, contemplating killing them, but didn't go through with it. The next morning, on July 16th, 2011,e and blake woke up to do their morning routine. Meanwhile, tyler is planning a party for that night, posting about it on social media. One friend even messaged him and said this was the matt noble kid from the bedroom when he was smoking, talking about killing his parents. Matt noble said said did you do it? Tyler said no, but I'm gonna. Matt said bet Question mark Matt Noble, you really should now Do it.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Tyler Hadley said don't worry, I am. Then I'm having a huge party. And Matt Noble said hell yeah, Party time N word, so yeah.
Speaker 2:So now he's getting pumped up to it. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:So the parents went to run errands and Tyler had some friends come over to smoke. He told them that his parents were going to Orlando and he would be throwing a razor that night. After the friends left, mary Jo and Blake returned and Tyler hid their cell phones. Around 5 pm he popped three ecstasy pills and put on some rap music. The song was Feel Lucky by Lil Boosie and he got to work.
Speaker 2:Hang on you. He got to work Hang on, hang on.
Speaker 1:You're going to take shot number two. All right, I'm going to take a sip. I'm now on Blackberry White Claw. I finished the watermelon.
Speaker 2:Bam-ba-lam. All right, my turn. Maybe this is the Blackberry.
Speaker 1:Oh, we'll see, and you're drinking out of our Anna Ruby Falls.
Speaker 2:Anna. Ruby Falls and a Ruby Falls Pretty Falls in Georgia. Check that one out. Yes, north North of Helen, northeast Georgia, up in the hills. It's nice, really cool.
Speaker 1:We had a great day that day. Yeah, we hiked a lot and Silas didn't complain once, not once.
Speaker 2:That's Crown Apple there. Oh, that was Apple, all right so like, yeah, we got up on a ridge and we were like we seen the falls and we looked up and there's the, the top of this hill with a path going up there. I'm like let's go up there, and we did, and we went way up there and then we went way down and back down and around I loved it.
Speaker 2:I loved the whole day I love that for like four hours straight like non-stop no tinkling, and I am not that athletic but like I enjoyed hiking, it was really cool really cool, cool.
Speaker 1:It was a lot of fun. I think I want to do it again.
Speaker 2:I think you know, if all the situations would have been right and we didn't need to get back and do other things, we would have really just it was perfect.
Speaker 1:I would have found, we would have found other areas to explore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there was like little water runoffs off the hills and stuff, and we found these cool rocks and my mom tumbled up one of them and it looked really beautiful.
Speaker 1:It was like a nice quartz rock. Yes, they were everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. All right, it's gonna get dark, you ready yeah, I'm not gonna take this other shot, but I'm just gonna put it close okay okay so mary jo was sitting at the family computer and it said that mich Michael stood there staring at her at the back of her head for a full five minutes. But I actually listened to an interview with him and he said it was more like 20 seconds. It just felt like five minutes.
Speaker 2:It was that enduring like over you.
Speaker 1:He raised the claw hammer and brought it down on her, bludgeoning her to death while she screamed. Why, tyler? Why I know. Mom, so hearing her screams, Blake came running in and was horrified and also asked why. And Tyler said why the fuck not? And said it over and over again, while Tyler bludgeoned him to death as well. This is a 300-pound man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean, if your kid's doing that, you're shocked, and that's the really gripping.
Speaker 1:I think, because, I know that when I've never been in a situation like that, Thank you God, and I hope to never have to be. But in certain situations you literally do get paralyzed from fear.
Speaker 2:Shock and shock.
Speaker 1:And I remember when I received some bad news years ago, like I couldn't speak for a few minutes, you know. You go numb you go numb and you don't know what to say, and that's why I will never judge anybody on their reaction to anything, because you don't know what your body's going to do no it's like you almost have no control over it and the shock itself I mean you um, it's like everything starts spinning and yeah, and you're just like the slowing down the denial the instant denial and of what's happening right in front of your face.
Speaker 1:You don't want to accept it yet.
Speaker 2:You're just like what the fuck did I just see, holy shit, lindsay I know, Mom and dad.
Speaker 1:He wrapped towels around their heads and drug them into the master bedroom, laid them face down side by side and left the hammer in between them. He took about three hours and cleaned up all the blood and threw away or threw all the evidence that he could find into the room with their bodies. This includes broken dishes, shattered glass, bloody towels, pillowcases, books, a coffee table, a sponge mop, clorox wipes or like an empty thing of Clorox wipes and a canister of coffee grounds.
Speaker 2:He had to clean up for the part time. Goodness gracious, lindsay.
Speaker 1:So this is so fucking fucked up. He took a shower and looked at himself in the mirror and laughed. And this, okay, and this, like I said, remember the laughter Cause like it's, it's it's a thing, it's a thing. I don't understand how. How do you kill somebody on three ecstasy pills and he was high on marijuana? I like I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Don't be the person that you're so-called friend and pump your other friend up to something.
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 2:Cause I guarantee whatever you just read about the little conversation right there with his old toke buddy had probably been happening all the way up to this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So before this happened, he had posted on his Facebook page party at my crib tonight, maybe, question mark. Then, around 8.15, he posted party at my house, hit me up. A girl named Ashley Hayes messaged whoa, what if your parents come home? Tyler said they won't trust me. So that's the only one, yeah. So now it was party time and it was wild. In attendance were about 60 teenagers who Tyler had encouraged to basically destroy the place. He only had one rule Don't go in the master bedroom. This is so fucking dark. Oh my God, this one's fucked with me really hard this week doing all this research 60 people are in the house, two dead, party raging.
Speaker 1:So they were destroying furniture, putting out cigarettes on the floor and the furniture, beer pong in the living room Total chaos. At one point, a beer pong ball had rolled onto the floor into a reddish brown substance Mary Jo's blood. And they kept on playing they just washed it off and it it continued to be used. Front cup fucking hell.
Speaker 2:Oh, lindsey, lindsey, I know margaritaville town, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going. This, this has got to be the blackberry one.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry to pause, but go ahead, god one guy ran shirtless into the living room carrying the neighbor's mailbox and everyone laughed and cheered except Tyler who screamed at the kid and told him to put it back before the cops came. Well, around 1 am Tyler went over to his friend Michael, his neighborhood friend, been friend a long time. He said he wanted to have a chat. Almost as soon as they were outside and away from everyone, he said to Michael I've killed my parents. At first Michael didn't believe him and thinking this is just one of his sick jokes. But Tyler went on to give him all the gruesome details and he was like didn't you see both my parents' cars are still here.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I would. I would probably pass out at that point. Point like just because he's probably fucked up, had some drugs, had some drink, everything. And now it's like your friend is telling you this and you're like fuck, they are in the car because he's told people like what? He told one person they were in orlando. One person they were in georgia. One person he told they don't live here anymore.
Speaker 2:Like that's yeah this is my house. You don't have to be accepted. You know that In life you don't have to have that. Rejection teaches you a lot.
Speaker 1:I did not have a lot of friends growing up and I was picked on and bullied and guess what? I have a wonderful life now. So just get through it. It sucks when you're in the middle of it and you feel like you're never're in the middle of it and you'll. You feel like you're never going to come out of it. But you do not need to impress people whatsoever. I wish I had all the money back from all the times that I tried to impress people and kind of buy love and things like that. Yeah, I would be. I'm going to take you out to Taco Bell.
Speaker 2:You want to come hang out with me, right, you know, hey, I'm going to, I'm going to get you whatever you want, you know, as long as you're hanging out with me and you accept me. No, fuck that. That's just something they have to learn. That's, that's the. You have to learn to accept Tyler was 17 at this point. Yeah, you have to learn. Hey, okay, sorry you don't want to hang out with me, but I wanted to. But whatever, I'll accept it and I'm going to move on and keep being positive God.
Speaker 1:So then he proceeds to tell Michael he planned on completing suicide by overdosing on Percocet. Well, michael was shocked, to say the least. Then, upon going back in the house, he started to act like his eyes were open. He started to see the evidence, and it was actually everywhere. He saw a bloody shoe print, and when Tyler wasn't looking, he started really looking around and there was blood on the computer that people had been using all night long to play music. Wow, wow, yeah. So then he snuck into the master bedroom. Tyler had thrown so much trash in there that it was hard to open the door. But he did get it open and he was horrified. He turned on his cell flashlight to look around and spotted Blake's bloody leg underneath the mess. But Michael did not leave screaming, as I would have done.
Speaker 2:I'm fucking horrified, could you?
Speaker 1:imagine.
Speaker 2:I'm fucking horrified right now.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking back to house party days when the parents weren't home and I know that they weren't dead in a room somewhere, but I really thought back to like what if that had ever happened? Yeah, Our kid is never going to a house party.
Speaker 2:I went to some frat parties.
Speaker 1:Not that I ever went with permission.
Speaker 2:Around that time I went to some frat parties and there were thousands, like three to five thousand people there and you would hear like, hey, man, we need to get somebody over here. Somebody just got stabbed in this field or somebody did this, and that like, yeah, one of the frat parties that I went to one time it was in between, uh, lake city and gainesville area, so all the gainesville kids had come up. You know it was huge college frat party, probably 3000 people there. It looked like the parking lot was. It was out in a farmhouse and had three DJs out in the barn. I was one of the bands that played in the living room and this was a huge farmhouse, probably 150 people in the living room. Damn, yeah, and just the shit that was going on.
Speaker 1:That's like body-to-body type shit.
Speaker 2:Inside, 150 people inside. Well, this was.
Speaker 1:We've had parties here, and if we have 50 people here, it's crowded.
Speaker 2:This was a big farmhouse. The living room area it was big. But anyhow, people would come up to the porch area. You would look out in this field and see an endless amount of cars. There were huge parties going on out there. They were creating bonfires out in the field. People would come up and be like man, there was a big old fight out there in the field. Somebody got stabbed. Y'all need to call somebody. I'm just like dude. I'm just one of the bands here just hanging out.
Speaker 1:The shit that you could imagine that kids were, you know, and I was 19 did you have ever have to jump over a fence and run to get in your car because police were showing up? I've done that that was wild.
Speaker 2:No, but I ran in the woods one time because we were drinking alcohol too young and the cops showed up that was one of the scariest nights of my life when I had to run and jump over my car, that's typical. That's typical teenagers trying to get together. But could you imagine actually being in somebody's house with the murders that happen literally feet away? From you ever you're in the crime scene. Holy shit, lindsey.
Speaker 1:I know this is a hell of a twist so you know, tyler had been michael's friend for a long time and he was now terrified of him and what he might do if he found out. Michael called the police on him. I mean, dude was had just killed his parents to throw a party. I mean that was literally his motivation, I mean at the time.
Speaker 2:I mean he's obviously mentally horribly deeply that would have been the end of it. I don't care if you're my best friend or not. That would have been the end. I'm out, deuces. And they have the cell phones and they have everything you know modern times. Here we go.
Speaker 1:So Michael was like I guess you'll be going away for a while and took a selfie to remember their last night together. But Michael was actually for real freaking out and told another friend, who told his girlfriend, and then everybody is talking about it. But Tyler had also been dropping hints this whole time. He told a girl at the party that he would be going away for 60 years and when she asked why, he said you'll find out tomorrow. Wow, this is a kid that no matter what he did and we know this all too well they're just going to tell you because they don't care. They don't care.
Speaker 2:They were liking him a little bit more because he was saying that fucked up shit. He was like, oh, you're going to accept me now?
Speaker 1:I mean, I've been to parties in Port St Lucie. These people are a different breed. Love you, port St Lucie. I hope you listen, but you listen, but y'all crazy down there. I've been there Okay.
Speaker 2:This is crazy, for anywhere yeah.
Speaker 1:After this encounter, the police did show up, but it was for a noise complaint. It was 2 am and they said keep it down and left. But Michael did sneak out. At this point he, while Tyler, was distracted because he was literally he was scared, shitless, fucking injury. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You don't know what's fixing to happen, while Tyler was distracted because he was scared Un-fucking-hingery. Yeah, you don't know what's fixing to happen.
Speaker 1:Right. So Michael ran at this point and he didn't want to wake his parents, so he went up to his room. He could not get the image of Blake's bloody leg out of his head. He went back and forth on whether he should call the police Come on do it.
Speaker 1:I mean he was probably fucked up. I mean, I don't have you ever done ecstasy? It puts you in a euphoric place that you're not thinking clearly whatsoever. And at 4.24 am he left a voicemail on the Crime Stoppers hotline. He said that Tyler had confessed to him and that he had seen Blake's bloody leg with his own eyes. Meanwhile, everybody left by this point Tyler was posting on Facebook that he wanted to throw another party.
Speaker 1:And then police did show up, but this time it was to arrest him. They could see him through the window pacing the floor and then talking to himself. He also started throwing stacks of books into a bedroom and yelling. He finally answered the door for the police and was put in handcuffs. He told them that his parents were in West Palm Beach. The police started searching the house while Tyler screamed at them to stop. They started noticing the bloodstains and broke down the door to the master bedroom and found Mary Jo and Blake. And oh yeah, all this time he had the family dogs a black lab and a beagle locked up in the bathroom.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Nancy, nancy, yeah, I cannot believe this child Right here.
Speaker 1:So in North Carolina, where Ryan Hadley was, he had went up there to go to college and he was, I think, 22 or 23 at this time. He had heard from several people that cops were surrounded at his parents' house and thought that Tyler had hurt himself or, worse, completed suicide. He waited and waited for a phone call letting him know what happened. The phone call he did receive was from a victim's advocate, letting him know what happened.
Speaker 1:Wow, I'm still in shock, right now Ryan has a book, I believe it's called a thousand fireflies. I was not able to read it before, but I'm going to.
Speaker 2:I'm not reading it, but I'm going to listen to it. I know.
Speaker 1:He immediately got on a plane to Florida. By this time the murder was all over the news. Teenager murders parents and then throws a lawless rager was the headlines. Kids who were at that party were actually bragging on Facebook about being there. Told you, it's a different breed.
Speaker 2:That's a different breed, different breed.
Speaker 1:Well, I actually in the told you it's a different breed, that's a different breed, it's a different breed, Uh-uh. Well, actually in the article I've got a lot of my information from Rolling Stones.
Speaker 2:They're doing exactly what he did trying to get attention for more acceptance.
Speaker 1:Well, it's literally in there because that town was built for a retirement community. It's very boring and the person that I dated from there would corroborate that. It's just they did fucked up shit because it was there was nothing.
Speaker 2:From zero to extreme.
Speaker 1:It's a beautiful town but there's nothing to do. You know what I mean. Kind of like our town. Yeah, our town isn't really that beautiful. We ain't got a beach you can drive to.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Not at all now.
Speaker 1:I mean we can, but it's a long way away, it's not 15 minutes, but there's no jack shit to do here. Right. Tyler was charged with second degree murder and was put on suicide watch. The Hadley's funeral was on July 23rd and there were about a thousand people in attendance at St Lucy Catholic Church. Ryan had so much put on him all at once badgering from the media, the police and he was put in charge of his parents' estate, and he was also appointed Tyler's legal guardian.
Speaker 2:She did not want.
Speaker 1:No, because Tyler was still a minor, but he actually got a cousin to agree to be the guardian because he did not want that, oh, that's less on the government, you know.
Speaker 1:He made sure Tyler would receive no inheritance from the estate at all. He did make sure of that and he did finally go see Tyler at Rock Road that's the nickname for the jail down there. I mean, and it's like I knew that before I read this or before I did this research he did this because he knew his parents would want him to. Unfortunately, that's just how. Yeah, I don't fuck. Tyler would not make eye contact with Ryan at all, but Ryan let him have it as he should, letting him know everything he was going through. And Tyler actually made a joke and said well, you can come to jail and have biscuits and gravy. What the fuck, tyler?
Speaker 1:Tyler would write letters to Michael Mandel and other family members while awaiting his trial. To his family. He apologized for his actions and he said he was very appreciative of their love. Apologized for his actions and he said he was very appreciative of their love. He gave hope to some that he could be rehabilitated, but in jail that was not the case. Inmates were literally creeped out by some of the things that he talked about like laughing about what he had done, looking for more acceptance.
Speaker 1:Laughing constantly about what he had done.
Speaker 2:Like it was insane. All of this revolves around not enough rejection being accepted of rejection, he actually said his parents deserved it and he regretted nothing.
Speaker 1:He said that for more attention.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:So he tried many manipulative tactics to get an insanity plea, but they didn't work. When he turned 18, he was transferred to an adult unit and he befriended a kid named Justin Tony, who actually had been fascinated by Tyler's crime. This guy asked him if Mary Jo and Blake had tried to fight back. Tyler said no, that's how I knew they loved me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Justin said that Tyler would autograph newspapers in hopes that he could sell them on the outside, and he would draw little hammers around his name and would write it's hammer time in all caps. Isn't this what the fuck? He's laughing because he's horrified. Oh no, yes, well, justin.
Speaker 2:Hammer time.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, Like what? What the fuck? There was a nickname that he chose for himself Justin Hamatom.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, like what, what?
Speaker 1:the fuck. There was a nickname that he chose for himself too, and I cannot. I forgot it, oh I forgot to write it in my notes too.
Speaker 2:I had to make that dark humor right there. That's horrible. He just wanted so much attention, so much acceptance. Rejection can be a positive thing. You have to learn to accept it and just move on. He didn't have any. It just seems like he was striving for acceptance and you know fear of rejection as a teenager is horrible. God it is. But that's where you really learn it and you have to learn it. You have to learn that.
Speaker 1:I forgot to mention this too. Do you know at one point? Or you don't know, but at one point during the party, a kid actually said that he smelled dead people. Now I don't even know if that can be true, because it takes a while for decomp smell to set in yeah, but if there's blood and stuff all in the air, now that could be yeah, yeah because that with a hammer oh my god, yeah like just body tissue and blood.
Speaker 3:Somebody asked what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1:and he was like well, people are smoking, so maybe he, just because I know, back in those days weren't they putting formaldehyde in marijuana?
Speaker 2:I remember that being a thing I don't know if they still do just. They could have just been goofing like I smell dead people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who fucking knows?
Speaker 3:But I just thought that that was very ominous yeah.
Speaker 1:So Justin was horrified by this the Hammer Time shit and he actually spoke with detectives about it. So in 2014, tyler is now 20 and his trial began On March 20th 2014. Tyler was found guilty on both counts of first degree murder and was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he got accepted into that, goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:Now, like I said, Ryan has wrote a memoir or a called. I'm going to look it up right now. I believe it's called A Thousand Fireflies, because I guess I think that's what he associated.
Speaker 2:The feeling of the trauma.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, just yeah. I want to read it and, like I said, I just didn't have time while doing this research. But I came across it a few times and I got a lot of my information from the Rolling Stones article and just other sources on the Internet. But I mean, the Rolling Stones article had a lot. But what's fucked up is I listened to an interview. I think it was a Dateline interview. I want to say there's a podcast that has an interview with him and I think he was 30 at the time, 28. He was 28 at the time of the interview and he sounds a lot more remorseful now than he was at this time. But yeah, he'll be there till the end of time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the end of his time Anyways. As human beings like you have to learn those stages. You have to learn them. You know, teenagers, yeah.
Speaker 1:Your parents trying to help you get through life. If they tell you, no, it is not the end of the world, it's not. No, it is not the end of the world.
Speaker 2:It's not. It's not.
Speaker 1:Being told no at all by anybody is not the end of the world. You just accept it and move on. It's part of life. There's going to be a lot of people to tell you no.
Speaker 2:He got the yes too many times and the yes wound up getting them back. That sucks.
Speaker 1:It's a terrible story.
Speaker 2:To me. That's what that boils down to. He got too many yeses, you got to get a no. You know, go put your nose in the corner. Learn from it. Goodness gracious Lindsay.
Speaker 1:So that's it, huh that is the end of our story about Tyler Hadley.
Speaker 2:That was a four-shotter to me. I only did three.
Speaker 1:He was like damn, where's my other one, Hammer time. There was a nickname that he chose for himself. You'll notice a lot of these guys will actually pick their own little nickname.
Speaker 2:They're trying to get fame. Trying to get fame, yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that's not a way to be famous folks.
Speaker 2:No, did he make his own superhero costume while he was in?
Speaker 1:No, like I said, he later he was a completely different person. Yeah, I know, but it was. I was just thinking like I'm not even gonna lie.
Speaker 2:He's out there, he's like, he With like a fucking little hammer, sledge hammer.
Speaker 1:This one hit really home for me, as we have had a son that has struggled with a lot of these same issues and kind of scared the shit out of me a little bit, because that one is still learning, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:And he's had problems since he was about four years old and, believe me, we have told him no.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have done the work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've done every tactic we can think of, so we've had our struggles as parents too, and we have a wayward son.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I do. Call him my wayward, son.
Speaker 2:He's my mama tried, kid we take it lightly, because at this point he's making fully his whole decisions on his own.
Speaker 1:And all you can ever do is try.
Speaker 2:All you can do is try and hope for the best.
Speaker 1:But unfortunately mental health does not get the recognition that it needs and it's hard to get the help that people need because there are so many laws and different things and you can't force somebody to participate in treatment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, their constant pushback is the same as our constant pushback Whenever we were trying to get him the right health that he needed.
Speaker 1:Just the same, as you said on on this one, you know there's been counseling sessions where my child would literally just lay on that couch and go to sleep. So, and for the hour, that was being billed, yeah.
Speaker 2:It sucks, but we've you know, we tried our damnedest.
Speaker 1:So much work. It's been a lot of work. It's been a long road.
Speaker 2:Stories like this though. Scares the shit out of you Scares the shit out of you, but you did a great job, lindsay, thank you. I, you did a great job, lindsay, thank you.
Speaker 1:I just want to, can I? Nothing happened.
Speaker 2:It was delayed. I put a new one on, okay. This is yours.
Speaker 1:It's all you. I don't know if I want claps for that one. It's terrible.
Speaker 2:I downloaded it for you, thank you. For Tyler Not for Tyler, it for you. Thank you For Tyler, not for Tyler.
Speaker 1:Not for Tyler, fuck Tyler yeah.
Speaker 2:But what a story. Yes, how do you? I mean parents struggles. You know, you're trying to give them the best you can, trying to do everything you can to make your child happy.
Speaker 1:But you, it is hard to find that balance in making them happy but also doing what it takes gotta say no, you gotta say hey, this isn't fucking acceptable. You can't act like this, you can't do these things and I'm not gonna reward you with doing it. It's a constant struggle. It, it's a constant struggle, stand your grounds.
Speaker 2:He had thyroid, he had mental, he had things going on, and then you add the human growth and you're pumping steroids into him and he's blowing up, and then he wants to put drugs in, and then he's self-medicating, and there's a lot of mental health issues in this scenario. So a lot tied into that. I believe they they did the best they could, that they knew they could, but uh, unfortunately it got them.
Speaker 1:They just it could be because you don't want to see the dark side of this person that you brought in and you don't want to see your, your child, fail.
Speaker 2:You want to. You want to, you want to keep pushing positive. You know what you to keep pushing positive. You know what you got to put a little negative in there and let them reset. You know what I'm saying and I'm just going to say two words Reset, reset.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, don't bring that up. That's a long story for another day.
Speaker 2:But, lindsay, you did a great job and this is horribly great. I'm looking at her right now, I don't know what to say. This is terrible. How do you make? How do you like? Okay?
Speaker 1:Just do the best you can. Narrative behind our podcast. Say no when you have to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Don't reward bad behavior, and that's really all I can say.
Speaker 2:And yeah, at this point, well, I'm the cover in two points of our whole podcast theme here, Because I don't have any funny banter behind this one, no Other than you know claw hammer, ooh no.
Speaker 3:Too soon.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. What band are you talking about today? Well, I or what band are you plugging today?
Speaker 2:So I'm friends with so many people on Facebook and just social media and not humble not humble, unhumble, uh, because of music networking.
Speaker 2:So I would just be sending music back and forth. People would send theirs and you know we would share in it. I would use, um, just our common sharing grounds as far as you know, meeting and sharing social bands, being socially, you know, connected to all kinds of different music. And a friend of mine, laurie she hit me up and I had already sent her the thing. When we first kicked off I was like, hey, I'm wanting to start a podcast, or we're starting a podcast and we're gonna be sharing, you know, local bands and her name is laurie and she's in a band called Lori and the Darlings.
Speaker 1:Lori and the Darlings.
Speaker 2:Really cool music, lindsay. It's like when I'm listening to them I just want to get in my car and drive Okay, and that's kind of cheesy at the same time. But it has like a Stevie Nicks kind of vibe. I told you I was like it has kind of almost grungy but almost country.
Speaker 1:You said a mix between, like Sheryl Crow Garbage and Stevie Nicks. Yeah, and I kind of see that yeah.
Speaker 2:I dig it, I dig it. So she hit us up and she's like we want to share your podcast and we're going to trade back and forth, just like everybody else.
Speaker 1:Thank you, laurie, for reaching out to us.
Speaker 2:Really cool stuff. They have this really cool jam that just came out not too long ago. It's called Main Street 54. I want to share it. It's a really cool groove man. It's tasty.
Speaker 1:It's tasty.
Speaker 2:To me it's just top down.
Speaker 1:That's perfect, because most people listen to a podcast while they're driving.
Speaker 2:So I do it during everything house cleaning, driving, exercising whatever, showering. So if you're a fan of any three of those groups, any three of those bands, you're going to love Lori and the Darlings and I'm going to play these guys and yeah, thank you, lori. Thank you everybody that has just been so supportive. Yes, and we even like on YouTube. We did the West Memphis Three. We're even getting feedback. I seen somebody had commented on that. Check out that on our YouTube.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And he was he. He sent something that you need to. You need to check out. I don't know what it really pertained to. You probably already checked it out, but it was about a book, so you might not have read it yet, but anyhow, Okay, so we're getting feedback.
Speaker 1:So that's really in Eccles' book. I've listened to it twice now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he was like you need to hook up with this person and this person and then you need to do another recap on everything I don't know. Maybe he knows something we don't know.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's pertaining to that evidence that I was trying to find. I was trying to find more on that.
Speaker 2:That's the kind of stuff that we're looking for.
Speaker 1:We love your feedback.
Speaker 2:We love how Lori hit me back up. We need all that to keep us driving and feeling like y'all are part of this.
Speaker 1:So that means I mean honestly, that means that they were covering for someone to lie about the evidence.
Speaker 2:They're covering their narrative for sure.
Speaker 1:God, that's so fucked up and they had to take an out for plea so they couldn't sue for anything.
Speaker 2:But eventually now, if that comes out, it'll all be thrown out, no matter what they pled, you know so anyhow, laurie and the darlings, thank you guys. So much for tuning in. If you want to check us out, drink about something dot site. All the links are there.
Speaker 1:Yes, we're now on youtube instagram, um. I've met little tiktok videos of our episode with the music that we're featuring that week in the background.
Speaker 2:That's cute.
Speaker 1:And we're going to. Yeah, I'm going to make it my goal. Jesse, remind me to get us an X account.
Speaker 2:Yeah, twitter X whatever.
Speaker 3:We're going to do that here in a little bit.
Speaker 2:We'll be like, no, I don't want to. We'll be like, no, I got you, we're going to hook, hook it up Lori and the Darlings Main Street 54.
Speaker 3:Check it out. Thank you guys. So much. One more run after 55.
Speaker 3:After today I won't see a bit, unless I take a drive. Finally found my girl, told her I'm leaving town. Man saying it makes it real. When you hear it I'll lie. I was killing me to leave this place and I'll be home. You'll forgive me, all I'm missing. You need to leave this place and Hide me home. Yes, it gives me all I need when I'm away. It's gonna take time, but my time is mine and it's something I gotta try. Say goodbye to my whole life. It's much too long that I need a man. Still, I gotta leave. See if I'm on and this time can't stand Gonna make them talk and put us on the map. I'm gonna take my love and spread it out and bring it back.
Speaker 3:God only knows that it's killing me to leave this place and I'll be home. Forgive me, all I'm missing. I'll wait. It's gonna take time, but my time is mine and it's something I've missing. Highway. It's going to take time, but time is mine and it's something I've got to try To say goodbye to my whole life. We'll be right back. Guitar solo. I'm ready on nine down South Africa. I'm all packed up in my car and my heart are full. Detroit binder chases crazy dreams. I'm just afraid my dreams won't be enough to convince my fears. I don't know that is killing me to leave this place and I'll be home. Yes, forgive me all I missed, but how, the way. It's gonna take time, but my time is mine and it's something I've gotta try. Saying goodbye to my whole life, my whole life.
Speaker 2:My whole life. My whole life. That is so good, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Very driving, very driving music.
Speaker 3:I love it.
Speaker 1:Kind of a beachy tune too. We can add that to our little beach playlist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to add it and you know, follow them, Follow Lori and the Darlings. They're a really cool band.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed that. Are we following them yet on our Instagram?
Speaker 2:We're going to be. We're going to hook it up. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. So if you're traveling around, play some Lauren and Darlings. That's really good. That crosses some genres. To me that's a little grungy, it's a little got the 90s pop feel to it too and can go back Followed. We followed you, hey, and I love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Thank you for reaching out, and here you are on our pod.
Speaker 2:Love it, love it. Yeah, that's what it's about. That's what this is all about really Sharing everybody's art, and that's good stuff. It really is.
Speaker 1:Horrible stories followed by art.
Speaker 2:Horrible stories followed by Lori. That's a good name for a podcast. We're going to have her on as a guest now.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, I'm down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I did. One of the bands that we played wanted to do at least an audio call and do some stuff with us.
Speaker 1:We're down for that.
Speaker 2:We're talking, we're talking. We're talking about a fellow that lives down near Ocala that's wanting to do some of the Gainesville Strangler what was he called?
Speaker 1:Gainesville Ripper. Gainesville Ripper. He's on my roster for sometime soon. I don't know if it's. I know it's not next week. Next week we're going to go into Eileen Warner.
Speaker 2:But that's Wolfman's wanting to do something and he's on Roku. So if you have Roku, check out Wolfman.
Speaker 1:I think the Ripper might be after Eileen, so within the next two weeks.
Speaker 2:So check out Wolfman Presents on Roku. You can download his little app and see some of the things that he's done Kind of podcasty too, and he does like food and band reviews and stuff like that. Really cool guy, wolfman, and he studied in college underneath of one of the main prosecutors over that.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So that was like kind of the tie-in right there.
Speaker 1:That's a wild fucking case. Like my job was on the floor.
Speaker 2:I don't know anything about it. Can you believe that? Can you believe that?
Speaker 1:I didn't know about it until I heard about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Until I listened to a podcast about it and we should know we're only like.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry what.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The Gainesville who.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll tell you later. But yeah, check out all of our past stuff too and just keep on checking following liking, subscribing the whole thing now we can say all that now yes so just follow the links and, lindsay, you did a great job. Lori, you did a great job on your music. Tell the band they did a great job. Everybody's doing a great job. All the bands are doing they're phenomenal. Don't stop making music. Y job, all the bands are doing they're phenomenal.
Speaker 1:Don't stop making music. You y'all all have the talent, everyone. And check out ryan hadley's book a thousand fireflies. Because we want to support him, because that's a lot to go through because struggles.
Speaker 2:As a teenager he lost his whole family in one day?
Speaker 1:yeah, and he did. I know that he went on to say that those dogs that had been locked up, um, they were not the same after that.
Speaker 2:No, dogs feel that they're animals. They're biologically tied in.
Speaker 1:I'm sure that I don't know if they're still around, because this was a while ago, but hopefully that everything turned around and they're okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the dogs.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, and Ryan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Ryan.
Speaker 1:I hope that they're. You know, everybody has been able. But I mean, it's hard. How are you going to? Because that's just like when you close your eyes, because I know when I go through anything bad and I haven't went through anything of this nature- whatsoever when you close your eyes. That's just what comes to your head.
Speaker 2:I'm going to need a musical after this. I don't need like.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I wanted to watch the thing, but we can do a musical first, but then we're going to watch the other thing I was thinking Greatest Showman or something Okay, this is the greatest show.
Speaker 2:I need something to lighten it up.
Speaker 1:I'm good, I'm good, I'm down with that. We own it, don't we? On Amazon?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we need some dancing and singing and laughing we are musical people, I know.
Speaker 1:You know, what's funny to me is Jesse wasn't really a musical person until I came along, but he liked them and he was like. I guess I kind of am.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I had to bring it to your attention that you are 90% of the things you would talk about I would already watched and knew and sing along like wait a minute. And then I'm like okay.
Speaker 1:You know, what's funny is most people that say, well, they're not really musical. Don't you watch Disney movies? They're all fucking musicals and animation for it. Not all of them, but most of them are.
Speaker 2:Maybe that was Tyler's problem.
Speaker 1:He didn't watch a lot of Disney movies. He didn't watch enough mary poppins, yeah just a spoonful of sugar, one of the best things ever created.
Speaker 2:But chicago boy that one is, you know, we we didn't catch the dawn of all that, but we were. We're definitely in the pocket of some amazing. Our age has some really cool music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and honestly, if you tell me that a movie is a musical, I don't give a fuck what it's about.
Speaker 2:I'm going to watch it, I'm going to check it out. So we will see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Thank you, bands Thank you.
Speaker 1:Eileen Warners.
Speaker 2:Everybody.
Speaker 1:Maybe a two-parter. We'll see. I'll give you a two-parter. We'll see. I'll keep you updated.
Speaker 2:You might have a two-parter next week. Okay, I might have to do more shots later.
Speaker 1:You know a little bit about Eileen right.
Speaker 2:Eileen Warner.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:No, okay.
Speaker 1:All right, good, I'm going to surprise. I cannot believe that, but okay.
Speaker 2:Anyhow, we'll see you guys next Friday.
