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EPISODE 16: Monsters are real
Join us as we kick back with our favorite drinks and take a leisurely stroll through Kanapaha Botanical Gardens, all while reflecting on the month that seemed to last forever—January. From there, we jump into discussions about our favorite podcast theme songs and introduce our latest segment, "Comments I Saw on the Internet," setting the stage for a gripping tale about Aileen Wuornos, the infamous female serial killer.
It's not all serious talk, though. We share some laughs recounting our aches and pains of getting older, like the time we battled a stubborn jar of change and hilariously navigated the perplexing world of banking policies. The tone shifts as we recount the dramatic aftermath of Hurricane Helene, where community spirit shone through adversity, turning chaos into camaraderie with a hurricane party for fifteen. Amidst the humor, we explore the resilience and shared experiences that bind families and communities together during such tumultuous times.
On a more serious note, we discuss the ongoing quest for justice in the case of the West Memphis Three, with recent evidence discoveries sparking both hope and frustration. The episode takes a deeper dive into the life of Aileen Wuornos, exploring her troubled past and the film "Monster" that portrayed her story. As we wrap up, our excitement for the upcoming Underbelly show with Cultus Black , promising more thrilling content and musical memories to come. Don't miss out on this mix of intrigue, laughter, and anticipation for what's next. Keep listening for part 2 next week!
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hey, jesse happy friday lindsey. Happy friday lindsey. What's up, what's up what's up guys?
Speaker 1:how's y'all's week going? I know you can't talk back to me. I don't even know why I'm asking that question. Hope you had a good week yeah ours was all right it was a long week, you had a long week at work week it was slow and dreadful. At mine is we're in. I work in a restaurant, we're in slow season. It was like, and it felt like january 75th was yesterday, the month and a half of january every year every year jan. January is the longest month.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:The most accurate meme I ever saw. It had the months of the year listed and it was like January, like really drawn out, and then February, march and April was normal.
Speaker 2:And then June, july.
Speaker 1:August, September, October, November, December.
Speaker 2:January. Welcome back, gotti. What are you drinking?
Speaker 1:I am having a Blackberry, a double Blackberry, White Claw in my beautiful Ursula cup that you bought me, Because my plan was to go ahead and put two in there and top it with what I thought we had in the fridge an Arctic. What was it?
Speaker 2:Arctic blast. Arctic blast.
Speaker 1:Celsius to perk our asses up because we already had a long morning.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been a good morning. It was a great morning.
Speaker 2:We had the best Bloody Mary you can get in North Florida.
Speaker 1:Yes, I had some crab cakes, eggs Benedict and we did a little walk through a botanical garden. What are you drinking?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I did half and half, lindsay.
Speaker 1:Half and half of what.
Speaker 2:Tequila and then Mango Monster.
Speaker 1:Oh God, so you got some energy. I did just chug a little bit of the tropical vibe when we had in there Hoth and Hoth we're old, we're old.
Speaker 2:I'm on that tequila kick today. Last night was different, but yeah, the Botanical Gardens in Gainesville, what was it called? I forgot Kanapu Kanapa.
Speaker 1:Kanapa.
Speaker 2:Kanapa yeah.
Speaker 1:It was really nice, really cool.
Speaker 2:Even in the winter, where all the foliage is kind of drawn back and everything, it was still really cool. So that was fun, nice little walk and then Kanapaha. Kanapaha, kanapaha, that's what it'd be. Yes.
Speaker 1:I didn't see that, though. I'm looking at a picture. Well, that's what we were going for, but actually, if you looked out in the ponds they were all drawn up. Oh, okay, we saw a gator and a bunch of turtles, so we need to go back in, like April May. Yeah, we're going to go back when spring has come. Yeah, yeah, when spring has sprung, it's going to be May.
Speaker 2:Oh, I can't wait Mays.
Speaker 1:All the Mays, mays Pour some sugar on Mays, mays.
Speaker 2:Mays, mays, all right let's revisit that.
Speaker 1:There's.
Speaker 2:Mays everywhere.
Speaker 1:Let's revisit that in May.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going back in May. We're going to do the whole thing we're going to do the Bloody Marys, the brunch and the.
Speaker 1:Kanapaha.
Speaker 2:That's got to be like some kind of cool Native American or something, right?
Speaker 1:Well, I'll deep dive on that. I like to deep dive. I'll deep dive on that later that sounds like Native Americanism.
Speaker 2:And happy Friday everybody. And we hope you guys had a great week and, yeah, have a great weekend, sip one for us too. And here we go, here we go. Yeah, you know, I like this song. I like this song, I really do, so I came up with this song.
Speaker 2:I like this song, I really do. So I came up with this song. We were messing around trying to come up with a theme and everything, and I was just like dude, it doesn't really have to be super creepy or weird or have this spooky vibe or something. I like this song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not all of them have creepy vibes, but I do enjoy the creepy vibes.
Speaker 2:Like some kind of little sinister or some kind of something or other.
Speaker 1:Like Morbid's little theme song is really cool. It's kind of like music boxy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that. That's cool. That's cool. You know, I got some music boxes over there.
Speaker 1:Maybe I can crank them and record it and then Last Podcast on the left, their whole shit, their intro is just oh, it's like a mix of all kinds of different little sayings and stuff, Like there's Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember hearing that Cause we listened to that together. Yeah, yeah, but you know, our little theme is groovy.
Speaker 1:I love everybody's little shit, I just.
Speaker 2:I wanted something that kind of eventually sticks in your head Cause it's in my. It lives there now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So in your head, because it's in my. It lives there now. So, yeah, lindsey, yeah lindsey, you have some dirt to share with everybody, and I'm so.
Speaker 1:Today we're going to be talking about, uh, the infamous female serial killer, eileen warnos. Now, I actually listened to a podcast the other day because I always listen to you know a few of them while I'm doing my research just to get everybody that I respect to get all their little insights into things. And one podcaster called her Aileen, which it is spelled that way, but everything else has always been Aileen, but she went by Lee for short, but she went by many names. But we'll get into that, but first this is a good drink.
Speaker 2:But she went by many names, but we'll get into that. But first. This is a good drink, is it? This is how you do this? Yeah, but first.
Speaker 1:I want to do a new little segment. I like to call comments I saw on the internet and mean people replied to them, because this is why the internet scares me about putting a lot of shit out there.
Speaker 2:You're like I really don't, I don't understand this. Or you don't you want to put a comment there in the thread or whatever, and then you get hacked for it, or no, um, I think that the video is perfectly fine.
Speaker 1:And then I jump into the comments and just because I know that there's going to be some mean ones, and this one really shocked me. So this was a video of a girl who was 35 weeks pregnant with twins and she was showing her belly. She had on a cute, cutest, little comfy looking outfit. It was pink, it was soft, looking like you could have cuddled, like she had on like a little tube top pink and little soft, little pink pants. She was adorable, so she was adorable.
Speaker 2:So she was feeling it.
Speaker 1:Yes, she was feeling the momhood and her belly was huge because she has two babies in there right, oh, okay yeah. I thought it was beautiful and these were some of the comments that stuck out that I was like holy shit, the world is horrible. So one lady said do you realize and these are all from women, by the way this is a pregnant woman. Do you realize you are scaring young women to death over being pregnant? Get off the internet and keep your journey to yourself. This was a woman in her 50s.
Speaker 2:Another comment said how human of her that was so nice another woman said I don't know why you are showing this.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sorry, there was a dude one. A dude said not very attractive, this is private. Keep it personal please. With two question marks. And then a fitness consultant said everything is not for the internet Ridiculous.
Speaker 2:So Boomer World Like holy shit. This woman, she've been natural human being, and well, these are all people in gen x category pretty much I mean 50s and 60s, that's gen x
Speaker 1:yeah and then, uh, a woman in her 60s said how can you show all your business? Not right she was, it's just her belly. It's just her belly. And it was adorable to me and it was fascinating to me because there's two children. How would I? How?
Speaker 2:would I ever have an opinion about a woman in her motherhood, even if she's showing her belly off a little bit. So she has a tube top and her big belly hanging out the front what's so comfortable, like that, like when I was, I really didn't like how is that offensive. Now, where was she at In her?
Speaker 1:house. What Just showing that her belly she was like she was, because she was about to have to.
Speaker 2:She's been putting her journey. Y'all get off of my social medias with that. I had a whistle behind that.
Speaker 1:She's been sharing her pregnancy journey on Instagram reels and so forth. She's very proud of her babies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm all in that. She's not showing anything but her-.
Speaker 1:Absolutely not, but her baby bump. I was just horrified.
Speaker 2:Her lovely lady lump.
Speaker 1:So yeah, the internet's mean Be nice people. If you don't particularly like or agree with what you see, just scroll past it. In fact, if you comment that shit is going to get into your algorithm and you're going to see more shit like that, so you're just being an idiot. I mean honestly.
Speaker 2:By the way, I like to mention erroneous, absurd things around Lindsay's phone. That way her algorithm is garbage in it. It's so funny. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:So another thing I wanted to ask you what's one thing that happened to you this week that made you feel old?
Speaker 2:That made me feel old. Waking up every damn morning makes me feel old. I mean that 43, though it's common. There's a lot of things, but now you're going to bring that to my mind and I'm going to start thinking about it.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask you this every week now.
Speaker 2:Oh Lindsay.
Speaker 1:It's part of my new plan. I've got it written down.
Speaker 2:Thank you, lindsay, thank you so much. You're fabulous.
Speaker 1:So mine was. Our gallon jug of change was full and it was time to go cash it in. When I picked it up, I hurt my shoulder.
Speaker 2:Oh well, that has to be like 40 pounds. It's a gallon pickle jar.
Speaker 1:So and then I go to our bank you know, because I usually go through, drive through to make my deposit every week and I get out. I'm holding this change like a baby, so it doesn't hurt my shoulder.
Speaker 2:Why didn't you tell me to do that? I would have took it.
Speaker 1:Well, because I was going to the bank anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's usually my job and I feel cool about it because it's fun. But guess what?
Speaker 1:Our bank doesn't have that anymore.
Speaker 3:No, they don't.
Speaker 1:So. So we went to Publix and we had a grand total of $350 in change, yay, but it charged $38 to count it, you know.
Speaker 2:I have done that four times, maybe more.
Speaker 1:It used to be nine, but now it's 11.
Speaker 2:Lindsay, I've done that at least four times that I know of, and I take it to ViStar where it's free. You don't remember? Oh fuck, communication.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, next year when it's full again.
Speaker 2:Please don't, please don't, waste that money. I have an account at ViStar. I was so sad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, okay, so I know.
Speaker 2:I forgot we've got two banks. You knew, but you didn't remember. How does?
Speaker 3:that make you feel? Does that make you feel old? Does that make you feel?
Speaker 2:old lindsey. Does it make you feel old lindsey?
Speaker 1:yeah, so my, my shoulder, my neck, my neck and shoulder, really yeah, that really sucks the rest of the day. You should have told me I rubbed it down well, I put some of that roll-on shit that I got from my work and it kind of and it took it right away.
Speaker 2:After I did that, I believe. I believe we're gonna start living on that.
Speaker 1:We are All the mentholatum shit, mentholatum and love Topical creams yeah.
Speaker 2:Bengay, we need some topical creams. I'm good.
Speaker 1:Bengay and Aspiricream, and this is actually an Amish roll-on pain relieving ointment.
Speaker 2:And it worked good.
Speaker 1:It did.
Speaker 2:Well, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:That's what I gave your sister when she got hit by a tornado Fucking hell, a whole tornado.
Speaker 2:A tree fell on my sister.
Speaker 1:During our hurricane Helene.
Speaker 2:Helene.
Speaker 1:Yes, we were having our own hurricane party out here and she was at a different one, and after everything passed over and we went on to sleep.
Speaker 2:No, I get a call at 3 am In the morning, In the middle like I'm looking out, and trees are bent over.
Speaker 1:We're in the middle, it's 3 am and Shelly was lonely.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:She is lonely In the hospital.
Speaker 2:In the hospital Like they put her in a closet. She didn't even, but I told the woman I was like dude, I can't drive in this.
Speaker 1:No, it was still very windy.
Speaker 2:I said hey, I'm going to go to the hospital and get her, yeah because we didn't know what our town looked like.
Speaker 1:The hospital was full and half of our town was trashed.
Speaker 2:And that was the last ambulance run that they did in our county, wow.
Speaker 1:Was to pick her up, was to pick her up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they had to. She's still kind of struggling for that they had to gurney her and towed her across a couple of properties just to get her out. They couldn't even get to her. And her knee was dislocated twice and shoulder was busted up. A whole tree fell on them on the back porch. So as soon as it's daylight I'm not laughing.
Speaker 1:But it's horrible, it's just like.
Speaker 2:the situation is just like, and it's the only reason why I would even chuckle is because it's my sister and she's in this, of course as long as she's alive, I'm going to give her shit.
Speaker 1:Three or four days here, yeah, I'm going to give her shit.
Speaker 2:As long as she's alive, I'm going to cut up at her.
Speaker 1:We thrived during hurricanes at this house because we have an outdoor burner and grill. We cooked it up. We had 15 people in this house and it smelled like ass.
Speaker 2:It did, it stunk. No power Just. Just Febreze and air freshener Half of them didn't even take a shower before the storm. I'm like what are you doing? We made everybody.
Speaker 1:We went to the laundromat and washed towels, made sure everybody could get clean.
Speaker 2:There was a lot of teenagers here. It was a good excuse for us to get the F away.
Speaker 1:We picked up breakfast at McDonald's. Thank you, McDonald's, for having power.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we were cooking three meals a day here and I was like fuck, let's get out for a minute. And the longer it went, the more the food we had to cook Alcohol and ice and food. Yes, we had a great time though. Yeah, we did. I mean, we didn't have a, it wasn't perfect.
Speaker 1:It was scary. Helene was a bitch. We made it work that was the scariest one that was the worst storm I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, yeah, and we watched it from the back porch. Yep, all right. So I have just a little update on the West Memphis Three, because, remember I told you last week that I had heard on a podcast from three years ago they had found the evidence that had supposedly been burnt in a fire, but it had not and nobody investigated this.
Speaker 2:They found it. Now, is it real? They found it.
Speaker 1:The evidence is real and I found an interview that last podcast on the left did with Damien and Lori. What, just this past November because I'm a little behind with theirs, because I've been doing research on our own what it still hasn't been tested.
Speaker 2:It hasn't been tested. It hasn't been tested. Nope, they ain't gonna fucking arkansas man.
Speaker 1:I don't understand. If they know without a shadow of a doubt that these kids did it, why not test evidence they?
Speaker 2:don't, they don't want to pay them.
Speaker 1:They can't they got out on an alpha pre? That's what I'm saying. What is the logic behind it? Damian j, jason and Jesse can never, ever.
Speaker 2:Wouldn't the plea be null and void? I mean really.
Speaker 1:Nope, because that's what they took to get out of prison. Yeah, because Damien would be gone by then.
Speaker 2:Well, and they could still sue them for unlawful imprisonment.
Speaker 1:No, they can't, Nothing, they can't.
Speaker 2:That's part of the Alford plea. What about the wives? Old ladies, like they need money. I don't know, but they need something.
Speaker 1:So this is what I'm saying. If they knew, without a shadow of a doubt, that those men now men boys back then killed these little boys, why won't they test it To prove it, To prove it once and for all?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Prove it to prove it once and for all. Right. And why would damien, jesse and jason be pushing so hard 30 years later to get it tested if they were not innocent?
Speaker 2:you know what I mean right just do it right because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Either way it doesn't matter, it's just to clear their name they should, because there are mother, stupid assholes out there that actually think that they still did it yeah, they need to, they need to do it anyhow and be like.
Speaker 2:This is the result. Y'all were wrong, even though we said we were wrong just to get out of the death penalty.
Speaker 1:And I mean the main reason that Lori was on that interview with Damien is because she handles all that shit. Damien tries not to relive it as much as possible but she's still doing the work. She did the work while he was on death row, married him on death row because she knew, without a shadow of a doubt in her heart, everything this man did not do. This I'm going to put in the work. And she said you know, because I put in the story and in our coverage of this case. When they tested the one shoelace and none of the dna came back to any of them none of it, yeah none of it came back to them.
Speaker 1:It still took them three years to get out of prison on alfraplein right and that was yeah. So and now we here we are, three years later, after they found this evidence intact and it still can't be tested shoelace should have threw it out because it was all circumstantial to begin with goodness, all of it, it.
Speaker 2:But oh, I hope that you know they need access to that and be like no, this right here exhibit blah, blah blah so that's the most recent in your face, bitch so that's the most recent update that I've gotten on that, because I told you I was going to go into a deep dive.
Speaker 1:It's fucking horrible and I was like, oh my God, if I had just been listening to last podcast on the left. I would have known yeah because that was in November of 24, that interview was.
Speaker 1:And now I'm like, oh, I got to catch up with them boys, because I've been on another one that I'm listening to all their backlog plus doing research for our own, so, anyways, so, yeah, that's my, that, I'm my fingers are crossed, prayers, vibes, all of that going up, that that shit can be finalized once and for all yeah when damien did an interview with uh jillian pettivalli and patrick hines from true crime obsessed, he said I just want to know who the murderer was. That was in my hometown. Who could do something this horrible?
Speaker 2:and that's what they kept saying too like it. It's not. It doesn't end here, it's. There's still a hobbs or a somebody out there okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness, I hope that comes to light I really do let the darkness come to light it ends tonight. It ends tonight 23 would have been 30 years, so now we're 32 years later.
Speaker 3:When darkness comes to light.
Speaker 2:What's in your head right now?
Speaker 3:In your head, in your head Summer.
Speaker 2:Okay, that was horrible. I'm going to let you fly, Lindsay. I'm going to let you fly Celebrity time for murder.
Speaker 1:Yes, eileen is, she's up there. So we haven't done too many heavy hitters. So we've done famous cases, but not I think this is our first serial killer that we've covered.
Speaker 2:Like sure enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Real serious, other than no yeah. Sure enough yeah, whoa Cheers, cheers.
Speaker 1:To our first serial killer.
Speaker 2:There will be many more to come.
Speaker 1:Okay. So when I watched the 2003 movie Monster, do you remember that movie? You've watched it with me, lindsay. Yeah, Monster how should I feel Creatures lie here? Wouldn't that be cool if that was in that movie Looking through the window? Don't come for me, meg. What's her name? Meg?
Speaker 2:Or Dia. She reminds me a little bit of Christina Ricci, who played Eileen's girlfriend in the movie.
Speaker 1:She should have won the voice. I know she's great.
Speaker 2:I didn't like the red album that you did with Blake, sorry.
Speaker 1:So, anyways, when I watched the 2003 movie Monster, I became obsessed with this case. I was actually visiting my sisters for Christmas and we watched it and, first of all, I couldn't believe how the incredibly beautiful actress, charlize Theron transformed herself into Eileen, because there is no other word.
Speaker 3:It looks just like her.
Speaker 2:I know she put her heart and soul in that role, man Phenomenal, and she won awards for that shit, and she should have won them all. So after you listen to this, watch Monster, watch it.
Speaker 1:So I went on to look up everything I could find on her interviews, documentaries and so forth and have listened to several podcasts. So here is the story of Eileen Ward.
Speaker 2:Why didn't I tie that together? When you said that last week and you said the name and I was like I don't want to say I know, because I'm not sure if I know, I don't remember if I know, but now I know and now we're fixing to know you know.
Speaker 1:Well, you're going to get to know Eileen a little bit better, because they don't give a lot of her backstory in the movie.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1:So Eileen was born Eileen Carol Pittman on February 29th. She was a leap year baby. This was in 1956, rochester, michigan. Her mother, diane Wuornos, was only 14 years old when she married 18-year-old Leo Pittman. Eileen had an older brother named Keith, who was born in 1955, and then Eileen was born the very next year when Diane was only 16. And only two years later Diane and Leo were divorced. Could you imagine? I mean, I was married and divorced at a young age, but married at 14.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hadn't given up playing with dolls much you're not ready, wait till you're 30 yeah, it's, it's pretty good, even though having a sleep over for our 11 year old last night and and bringing his friend with us today has tested our patience just a little bit. But we got through it, it's whatever eileen never met her father and he was sentenced to life in prison for the kidnapping and trigger warning and rape of a seven-year-old girl oh, right off rip setting setting everything up.
Speaker 2:Parents are setting it up.
Speaker 1:Here we go again all right, oh, it's gonna happen over and you're gonna see a pattern it's a pattern already. That's why, yeah, that's why I said that god leo was diagnosed with schizophrenia and died by suicide, hanging himself in prison in 1969. It was the summer of 69. Okay, so diane abandoned her children when eileen was only four years old, leaving them with her parents, laurie and Britta Vornos. Laurie is the man. Okay, yeah, that's his name, I'm going to try to keep tracking. Yes, Laurie is the grandfather.
Speaker 2:As long as the tequila lets me, I'm going to try to keep tracking there.
Speaker 1:Britta is the grandmother. Okay, so they legally adopted her and Keith in 1960. Eileen would say that they were both alcoholics and her grandfather would beat her and sexually assault her as a child and would force her to strip before beating her.
Speaker 2:See, and there I was thinking that it was going to be a good thing and taking a sip on that one.
Speaker 1:Goodness gracious, there's no good. There's no good in this story, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:Every stone has been thrown.
Speaker 1:So she goes back and forth on this, but she says that he would have friends come over and take turns on her, starting at age five. Lindsay the grandfather.
Speaker 2:Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Awful, awful all around.
Speaker 2:Lindsay Nicole.
Speaker 1:I'm not Michelle today.
Speaker 2:Lindsay Michelle. I say Lindsay Michelle and it's really something, but Lindsay Michelle Nicole.
Speaker 1:So it is also said that her grandfather is actually her biological father. Really Because he was sexually assaulting her mother as well. Yeah, that's in a lot of sources. Oh yeah, just assaulting her mother as well. Yeah, that's in a lot of sources. So, oh yeah, just all around bad, okay. So at age 11, eileen would begin her life in sex work by exchanging sexual activities for cigarettes, drugs and even food she was brought up in it.
Speaker 2:That's, that's her way of making something happen, positive, well.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go into that. So this gave her the nickname Cigarette Pig. Cigarette Pig and you know this reminded me in the book that Johnny Cash's first wife, vivian Liberto that she wrote their correspondence he would call sex workers. When he was stationed over in Germany he would call them pigs. So that must have been a thing back then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe, maybe, that's the yeah.
Speaker 1:So and I was like, why would he? I mean, sex work is work and unfortunately some people have to fall into it to survive. Eileen is a big thing in that.
Speaker 2:She was brought into it. I mean that that's I mean the biggest influence in life at that age. Yeah, she'll do whatever you need.
Speaker 1:And I was gonna say and this is really sad to me- because of the pack of palm holes, because of the sexual abuse she endured as a child, she would use this as a validation type thing.
Speaker 1:She would use that to try to earn affection, boyfriends, things like that um, didn't know anything different, right, that's, that's life, wow she would think that some of these guys were her actual boyfriends, but in public they would either pretend they didn't know her or humiliate her, and one would later test like verbally testify how awful he was to her and when you we'll watch the interview after. I do part starving for real affection.
Speaker 1:It's really human connection right real something positive and she also said that yeah, she also said that her and keith would engage in some cersei and Jaime Lannister-.
Speaker 2:Type situation.
Speaker 1:And this is in several sources and out of her own mouth.
Speaker 2:Well, they really had it going on over there, didn't?
Speaker 1:they.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is sad.
Speaker 1:So at 14, she became pregnant from the rape of a family friend, one of her grandfather's friends, and would give birth to a boy on March 23, 1971, in the Florence Crittenton home for unwed mothers. You know cause. That was the thing back then in the sixties and seventies, or before you know, there was a time period. She named the boy Keith after her brother, and the baby was immediately given up for adoption. She dropped out of school shortly after this and around this time her grandmother died of liver failure and her grandfather threw her out of the house at 15. It said that at her grandmother's funeral she showed up, and I don't know why, but I okay, I'm going to keep going. She showed up at the funeral, lit a cigarette and blew the smoke in her grandmother's face. So I just picture, like charlie's there on, because that's who played her in the movie like just showing up in, like a biker outfit and just like lighting a cigarette, and I know it's terrible that's kind of hollywood, though for real oh, but she this she was kicked out and set up for the complete failure
Speaker 1:she was was kicked out, but switched the signs to the men and women's bathroom before she left.
Speaker 2:Gotti y'all. Son of a bitch is gonna piss in the wrong spot.
Speaker 1:I encourage y'all to also listen to the last podcast on the left's coverage of this, because Henry is the comic relief on there and the shit that comes out of his mouth Like you're like jaw dropping because of how horrific the story is. And then here comes Henry.
Speaker 2:You know, I need to listen to some of that shit to get inspiration, because I'm supposed to do the ha, ha chuckle, but you're more shocked than anything.
Speaker 1:He knows, he knows what happened, knows what's happening, he's calloused.
Speaker 2:I stay at a constant state of clutching my pearls. It is, I don't know. I'll get calloused later on, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe not. We're still only what we got 17 episodes 18. Wait till we have 100.
Speaker 2:You'll be like I'll be like I'll be breaking off.
Speaker 1:Like I said, they have three where Marcus and Henry know what's going on, and then they have Ed who's like what.
Speaker 2:Yeah so they're firing at his ass, like when we get going, though it's kind of a you know, you know podcasting is.
Speaker 1:it's starting to be like a little euphoric kind of high type thing, like we start going and you're, you're rattling and I'm rattling and it's like this is kind of what I love about their dynamics, so much is they've been doing this over 10, over a decade, well, over a decade, and they still laugh very genuinely hard at henry shit, because you never know what's going to come out of his mouth.
Speaker 2:I'm honestly surprised at this point, and I know we're taking a break in this story for a second. I'm surprised at this point right now, how I'm realizing that this is addicting, and it's a good addiction, because we're spreading.
Speaker 1:It's awareness. We're spreading history. It's awareness.
Speaker 2:Horrible history, but it's awareness and the trends. Like I keep saying, starts in the household, starts for the parents. You know, wow, you start finding that.
Speaker 1:Yep. So she went on to live in the woods and supported herself through sex work, and apparently there were other rejected kids that lived out there as well. I didn't write this in my notes, but I know for a fact that there was a homosexual boy who stayed out there as well. I didn't write this in my notes, but I know for a fact that there was a homosexual boy who stayed out there with her and he had been kicked out because he was gay. He had been kicked out his house to live in these fucking woods in michigan.
Speaker 1:It's fucking cold yeah and there was several other kids out there and then one of her who became her lifelong friends. I don't know her name was don don like visit her and like became very protective over her right, bring her stuff, yeah, yeah, and then see the whole situation.
Speaker 2:There's probably like a little gang of kids out there in the woods yeah, like they were.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so some residents near the woods would let her sleep in abandoned cars on a cold night. And I mean, like we have already talked about, in my humble opinion, she just never had a chance.
Speaker 2:She just never had a chance no wasn't taught anything about just good human moral rights?
Speaker 1:no, not at all what people need assault from.
Speaker 2:From your first memory, yeah, and yeahgrained in as childhood and you don't know anything different.
Speaker 1:So she pretty much became a full-time drifter and sex worker and on May 27th 1974, she was 18, and she got a DUI in Jefferson County, colorado, along with being arrested for firing a pistol from a moving vehicle. So she was drunk, firing pistols and yeah so, but she peaced out of there before she could get charged. Now Eileen had become very confrontational, erratic and would be very belligerent, like she was. I don't know if you remember a little bit from the movie, but she was very.
Speaker 2:It was no holds barred, no she did not give a fuck.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Because what'd she have to lose?
Speaker 1:honestly, Right, not a damn thing. Jill would have been perfect.
Speaker 2:Had a way better life, you know, but goodness.
Speaker 1:When she was 20, her grandfather committed suicide by carbon monoxide in his garage by letting the car engine run. But Eileen did not go to that funeral.
Speaker 3:I mean, I would have.
Speaker 1:I would have lit that motherfucker on fire for what he did to me as a child, but maybe it was just.
Speaker 2:Like she could have went back and at least switched the signs. They've been confused since then.
Speaker 1:No, if I was going to go to that motherfucker's funeral, there would have been fire somewhere. Fire, be like. I'll be a Circe showing up with wildfire. Just green blow up everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yes, the battle of the black water.
Speaker 1:Then her brother, who was like the only person that truly loved her.
Speaker 2:you know, besides Dawn, her friend that I'll go on to talk about, that was the only point where she actually had some real, some kind of, but it was still kind of not.
Speaker 1:No, I mean it was fucked up. I mean they were like caught. There was witnesses to their Lannister action.
Speaker 2:The Lannister shuffle yeah. So he died of we're on Game of Thrones right now, so we keep going.
Speaker 1:We rewatched Game of Thrones every January to get rid of the Christmas blues, and it's just our tradition now.
Speaker 2:That's why we keep saying references.
Speaker 1:I'm so invested in it. Like I've watched it for the first time every year, I'm like I don't want to go to sleep, I want to watch another episode.
Speaker 2:We're finding new stuff because we're looking at everything.
Speaker 1:Every time we find new shit or there's something that I don't remember. So her brother died of cancer and left her 10 grand in his life insurance policy. So she's 20. He's only 21.
Speaker 3:He's only a year older than her.
Speaker 2:Yes, it was either stomach or throat cancer, I can't remember that's a hardcore existence, goodness yeah, or throat cancer, I can't remember, that's a hardcore existence.
Speaker 1:Goodness yeah. So she could have used that if she had had any kind of direction or teaching in life.
Speaker 2:That was a hand up, yeah.
Speaker 1:She could have used that to turn her life around, but she went through it in two months. $10,000 back then is about $75,000 now.
Speaker 2:It would definitely feel like it. You could do that much with it for sure.
Speaker 1:She bought a vehicle but wrecked it beyond repair soon after getting it. So she hitchhiked down to Florida where she met a very wealthy yacht club, president, louis Grotzwell. He had picked her up hitchhiking, I'm guessing, because that was her gig. That was what she did. She was comfortable traveling like that she was a hitchhiker and she was a sex worker.
Speaker 2:I'll do whatever it takes to get to the next city.
Speaker 1:Louis was 69 years old. She was 20. They got married, but it did not last long. She would make a spectacle of herself in their local she was 20. They got married, but it did not last long. Wow, she would make a spectacle of herself in their local bar, being confrontational and belligerent, and Louis soon realized that he didn't want any part of the scene. And it all came to an end when she beat the shit out of him with his own cane. Apparently he was really frugal and only gave her like $30 a day and she didn't like that.
Speaker 2:She was used to making that quick money.
Speaker 1:So Phil got a restraining order against her and annulled the marriage Like very soon after.
Speaker 3:This was very fast yeah.
Speaker 1:Now during her life, she would write letters to the friend that I mentioned, don. She would write them all the time, and so I was talking about Henry Zebrowski in the last podcast on the left. Well, in their coverage on this, jackie his sister, who is also into comedy she reads the letters and it's. You can literally picture Eileen Wuornos from the way she reads these letters. It's perfect yes. Rough and tough with her afro puff, so fucking rough that is really crazy, though, like god just in one letter starting life at all, and just no, it was locked in horrible
Speaker 1:it was locked in now, like a lot of other podcasters will say and I agree as well, and I've seen there are many other people that go through these same hardships, that do not end up doing what Eileen goes on to do but you can understand how it can fuck you up for life. Yeah, I haven't been through a fraction of what this woman went through.
Speaker 2:But I went through a lot. No, she went through more in one. It fucked me up ever put together, right yeah.
Speaker 1:But the little bit that I went through has fucked me up, not to the point of hurting anybody, but just it made life a little hard to deal with at times. Like I said, I sympathize with the child, not the adult, in this situation, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as a full-grown adult making common sense decisions.
Speaker 1:So she wrote in one letter to Don about a night that she hung out with Foghat in.
Speaker 3:Juneau Beach.
Speaker 1:Florida Slow ride.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Take it easy. And she said that the lead vocalist was a poquito.
Speaker 2:Why she got to talk about the man's junk man. Why, why she got to talk about his junk.
Speaker 1:Because that's what women do. Just going to go ahead and put that out there.
Speaker 2:They talk about the junk man. Oh, whatever I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 1:I mean, you guys have your talk, we have our talk. It's just different things. So now I'm learning.
Speaker 2:Woman talk. Lady talk over here.
Speaker 1:I mean the secrets.
Speaker 2:You're not supposed to tell me your secrets.
Speaker 1:The letter is very funny. She used something else. She had a damn fog hat man.
Speaker 2:I'm a singer, Got my old pack of man Probably wrote like that right, Something like that Something.
Speaker 1:Now in 78, she did attempt suicide at 22. She's 22 here. She's already lived a fucking lifetime of bullshit, Horror, Horror. She attempted suicide at 22 by shooting herself in the stomach and this was her sixth attempt at suicide. Wow yeah, I couldn't find the other ways Not that I would have talked about them, but I couldn't find. But I just seen that in the research this was her sixth attempt but that's the next step.
Speaker 1:Like you, you can't find, but these are also morally a lot of the research is everything that comes out of her mouth, so you have to take a lot of what she says with a grain of salt. It's just completely blowed out If she was anything like the movie and I haven't seen the actual her, charlie Starrone engulfed Eileen Wardow, so we'll just put it that way she was Eileen Wardow.
Speaker 2:Okay, so the movie portrayed it perfectly yeah, her her attitude, her demeanor the way she was what I remember seeing on that movie and her interviews her real life interviews are fucking wild it's wide open, wild it is wide open so in 81 she robbed a convenience store for $35 and two packs of smokes.
Speaker 1:At the time she was living with a man named David Watts and he was 52. This shows a lot of father issues here to me.
Speaker 2:Every man Aiming toward the older or sugar baby type thing, because she's younger.
Speaker 1:These are all older men. They're easy targets, and he was an auto mechanic and this only lasted two months until she committed that robbery. Apparently there was a huge fight beforehand and she committed this robbery wearing a bikini. She's in Daytona at this point. Oh, so this would land her in prison until 83. And this whole robbery was a does-he-really really love me tactic. That did not work. Like let me go see what I can do to get his attention and see if he's gonna come down there though we have
Speaker 1:spent a lot of time in daytona, you guys, and it's wild, it's wild because we've had fourth of july celebrations there with some of our best friends, because I mean, I mean, the beaches are great. You can bring your easy up chairs, spend the whole day on the beach.
Speaker 2:You're on the beach?
Speaker 1:yeah, You're on the beach the whole day, and then that is also where now Rockville has been held since 2021. And it's massive and it's right there at the Speedway, so we have spent a lot of time in Daytona.
Speaker 2:But as far as spending time downtown in daytona, we do it in groups and we don't do a whole lot.
Speaker 1:No, no, at our age I'm definitely no. I mean, we do think we walk along the beachways and go to that little club that we went to with the live band that one night.
Speaker 2:It was so fun. What was it called?
Speaker 1:the ocean, something like that, that bitch was bad, it was so fun we were exhausted. We had should have chugged the celsius that night, and then it was right on the beach.
Speaker 2:Damn, I can't remember so yeah, I'll ask cindy, yeah, when you go to daytona and you see the sign where it says world's most famous beach you just go through that and it's down a boardwalk area. There's a bar down under under the board.
Speaker 1:There's like a boardwalk and it's under it yeah, because most of the hotels that we've rented in that area we it's all right around that area, right around the hopping spots. But I personally have gotten now not during our fourth of july time, but during our rockville time. I've gotten screwed on two different hotel rooms. Yeah, one overcharged me and then another one was dirty when we got there at one in the morning yeah, that was like the fuck.
Speaker 2:So that's why we can't now. And the guy that was just the property attendant wasn't even supposed to be cleaning.
Speaker 1:He was just the maintenance guy. Yeah, yeah, he was supposed to be fixing pipes. He had to come clean our room. He's like this ain't my job, but I'll clean y'all's stuff up real quick for you and he did it Three hours so he could get us clean sheets and wash the shower and stuff for us Get it together.
Speaker 2:Daytona, we ended up getting money back. That's why everybody went to Myrtle Beach or somewhere else. Now it's not the party city it used to be, because it's just declined. Or maybe we're just old boomers and young kids don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1:No, because the people that were staying in the room right next to us. What it was was a motel that had changed their whole thing into a boutique Airbnb.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were kind of building it up the whole time too, Because the description was so cute, the pictures were cute and it was a disaster. So now we can't, but I took it as a grain of salt.
Speaker 1:I just chilled. I paid $1,100 for that shit.
Speaker 2:I was muddling a little bit, but I wasn't being a dickhead like I normally would be.
Speaker 1:I was the dickhead through email. I was the dickhead through email Because we checked in on Thursday night and we didn't get that room clean until Sunday y'all.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We had to go buy our own towels. We had to clean up the mess from the previous attendance. She said while she was locked up that she was really disgusted by all the lesbians and read her Bible a lot. But she did place a personal ad. She trips me out. Elaine trips me out. She placed a personal ad in a biker magazine to which she got a lot of responses. When she got out she chose one of her responders. Did God tell?
Speaker 2:her to do that.
Speaker 1:That was out of her mouth.
Speaker 3:Sorry to poke you right there.
Speaker 1:Because you'll go on to see that she wasn't really disgusted by the lesbians. Okay, so when she got out, she chose one of her responders, who was a 47 year old engineer named Ed, and she hitchhiked up to DC to live with him.
Speaker 2:From Daytona to.
Speaker 1:DC or whatever prison is near Daytona To the robbery. So she would borrow his car to go see her ex David, the one that she was with in Florida.
Speaker 2:She had to get a little bit more.
Speaker 1:She would go back and forth the mileage. The mileage, that's 11 hours. No, no, that's 12 hours at least. Fuck, oh nine, what were you doing? I'm gonna go up nine to five and she would also.
Speaker 2:I will get me some money from dc and then I'll go back down to daytona.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my song sucks go so, like I said, david's 52, ed's 47. The ex-husband was in his late 60s.
Speaker 2:They was all getting played, yeah.
Speaker 1:So she would steal from both of them. And Ed finally got rid of her after she drank herself into the hospital. Yeah, she had a hospital visit from excessive drinking, almost killed her.
Speaker 2:It would take me five seconds to know that this here trout trap was just shot. The fuck out, honestly.
Speaker 1:I mean she had a way about her, though I sympathize all the way up to the age of 16. 20 for me when she got the check.
Speaker 2:I sympathized to that point okay I'll give it 20. 20 when she got the check, yeah okay, I sympathize to 20 after that I sympathize all the way, because that does carry you throughout your life but if she's wanting to commit suicide and everything, you gotta find the correct help god but this was the 70s, 80s.
Speaker 1:There wasn't. There's still a stigma about all that. It's yeah.
Speaker 2:There's still a stigma.
Speaker 1:Ed would go on to say that Eileen lived in a fantasy world and wanted a Bonnie and Clyde type relationship where they would go through the country killing and robbing.
Speaker 2:He wanted that.
Speaker 1:Eileen wanted that. Eileen wanted that. Ed would later on say that he wanted that. Eileen wanted that Eileen wanted that Ed would later on say that Ed would say such things. So she wrote another letter to Don stating that she was dating a John, because you know, that's what they call him.
Speaker 2:She would have been a great advocate for something like that, you know, like just to shoot up the damn world and take it over and then go out in a blaze of bullets. That's what she wanted I was gonna say bullets, but yeah, yeah, whatever, sorry you guys.
Speaker 1:So she wrote another letter to don stating that she was dating a john who you know that's what they call their customers. John. That was a police officer and she said they were watching some porn and then he asked her if she wanted to see something that would really trip her out she agrees and she said that it was a bunch of cops in uniform and their wives all getting it on together. Oh Nice, and there was some bestiality involved with a police dog.
Speaker 2:A dog, yes, and I was hoping for some sn involved with a police dog A dog yes, and I was hoping for some snuffleupagus man.
Speaker 3:You know a little snuffy film or something there.
Speaker 1:It was snuff, it was, I mean that's pretty bad.
Speaker 2:A police dog yeah.
Speaker 3:So after this she declined, Are they talking? To it in German Heisting Heisting, oh my God, stop it. Do it in German Heisting Heisting, oh my God, stop it. Like not to barf and shit.
Speaker 1:After this she declined that officer and hated cops Like she would go on to. They disgusted her after this so she heads back down to Florida. She's been in DC but she heads back down to Florida, still drifting, still sex working and now has started carrying a gun full time. She starts to really escalate after this. She was arrested for forged checks in Key West in 84. In 85, she was named as a suspect in stealing a revolver in Pasco County. Where is Pasco County? Is that Tampa?
Speaker 2:It's by Tampa. Okay, it's one of the greatest bands ever. Is that where?
Speaker 1:Port.
Speaker 2:Yusuf is from Pasco County, that's right.
Speaker 1:Okayport beach that's right okay, so that's that one town that we used to go to for the powwow. Yeah, what was that one called?
Speaker 2:oh god there's. There was a couple of them down there star something ranch. Remember that there was that one that we went to all the time.
Speaker 1:There was two down there that was in a cow field, but one we always went to and they had the gore dancing and stuff with matt oh no, that was, that was a little bit further south.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a different one, but yeah, I love gourd dancing yeah, it was, it's really cool it's fun singing it and the dancing part's kind of boring looking. But learn about gourd dancing real native america. They stripped it away from them. That was their version of Sundance songs and how they anyhow history. Check out Gordanson. Check out real Native America.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's amazing. So in 86, she was arrested and charged with car theft, resisting arrest and obstruction of justice, and was questioned later on in 86 after being accused of pulling a gun on a john and demanding 200. She got away with most of these crimes because of her several aliases. She also went by sandra is it sandra d? No, sandra, I don't even know how you would pronounce this, sandra kretsch Susan.
Speaker 2:Lynn.
Speaker 1:Blahovic, lee Blahovic, kami Marsh-Green and Laurie Christine Grody, and then by her friends she was all known as Lee.
Speaker 2:So the Blahovic was that like her Russian counterpart? I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I'm going to deep dive for a little bit more for part two, but I could not find any reason why she used these names.
Speaker 2:I don't want to rob your bank.
Speaker 1:Show me your money, or it could be Blahavik, I don't know Still sounds.
Speaker 1:Russian. Like I said now, do you remember how she said she was so disgusted by lesbians in prison? Well, I guess she got over that because also in 1986, she would meet the love of her life, tyra Moore, at a gay bar called Zodiac. And Tyra went by Ty and even before Ty she had a brief relationship with a woman named Toni. She had said she bought Toni a pressure washer business and then Toni just took off. Tyra worked as a hotel maid in Daytona Beach. They quickly moved in together and Lee was the major breadwinner in this relationship.
Speaker 2:So she kept rallying around back to Daytona. Yeah, that's where it's at.
Speaker 1:She would say that even in the 80s she was making $200 to $400 a day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's quick money. That's what I was talking about earlier.
Speaker 1:And even with two incomes here, they still lived a very drifter-esque lifestyle but stayed in Daytona. They were living in different hotels. I think there was one that they mostly stayed at and I think that was the one that Ty worked at and they drank and partied all the time. Ty would have a lot of friends over and that would cause Eileen to be jealous at times and most of the friends said that she was outwardly friendly but would quickly change into someone that scared the shit out of them. Like one friend said that during a Thanksgiving meal consisting of tv dinners, eileen, instead of eating, just stared at her really stared yeah, keep looking at me.
Speaker 2:That was.
Speaker 1:That was kind of cool that was kind of cool, no, oh yeah, no, but yeah okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna transform into eileen here we go ready.
Speaker 2:No, but yeah, no, no, oh hell, oh hell, no, no, no no, no, no.
Speaker 1:So by 1989, the hard road of being a drifter drugs, cigarettes and lack of self-care had caused her looks to decline. Yes, and she was really hard to be around. It's hard to be around, Hard to be around me, yeah, when I get this way.
Speaker 2:We love you, villanova.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Thank you for that.
Speaker 1:Listen last week's episode Opportunity to share your stuff, not last week's Two weeks ago, two weeks.
Speaker 2:Couple weeks ago. Yeah, villanova.
Speaker 1:Good, so it was harder and harder For her to get clients, she would start pulling out Fake pictures of kids. Good, so it was harder and harder for her to get clients. She would start pulling out fake pictures of kids while hitchhiking to get money by pity or in exchange of sex.
Speaker 2:She had all the tricks.
Speaker 1:And she like largely blamed the Gulf War because, remember, it started around that time because a lot of her regulars were military men, they all got deployed bye-bye money. So to keep supporting ty who she did start calling her wife and the lifestyle that they had become accustomed to, she started to take a few seven to be exact drastic measures to make money. And that's where we'll stop for this week and continue for part two.
Speaker 2:So Ty Ty was just like it was. It was a thing, but all the Johns were on the side side but Ty was very aware and she wasn't so shy, shy, hush Hush.
Speaker 1:That's why Time to time, Goodness Lindsay. So there is the introduction to Eileen and everything she went through.
Speaker 2:I hope you followed everybody, because I was up in this one.
Speaker 1:I am just, I, just I still like I said, this case has fascinated me since 2003.
Speaker 2:The character behind it in my head she says I'm just gonna get this my kids. But she wasn't mumbly at all.
Speaker 1:She was loud and erratic and very enunciated yeah she is in your face. Eileen is very in your face.
Speaker 2:Blunt wide open loudest how fucking, dare you, motherfucker type of woman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, you're painting.
Speaker 1:good, she could flip the switch real quick from sweet and innocent to how fucking dare you not hire me? Motherfucker yeah it's like how the fuck are you going to decline a woman in need with these children? How fucking dare you? You, piece of shit.
Speaker 2:Get it fired up there.
Speaker 1:She didn't know how else to get it. She didn't have any skills. She did not have people skills, that's for damn sure, and she was really hard to be around.
Speaker 2:Goodness, gracious Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Well.
Speaker 2:So that's the whole story? Yes, well, not the whole. That first portion, that's the introduction into.
Speaker 1:Eileen the build up and we will continue on part two next week, which will be very grim. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2:You're fitting to get into dirt next week. Dirty dirt. I'll try to paint a better picture. Are we going to watch Monster later? Yeah, we can, we should. That way, you know, I'll be all prepped up and ready. I'll be primed up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I want you to watch the actual interviews with her after part two is done and that little girl from Casper Yep.
Speaker 2:Ah, that's in there.
Speaker 1:But Ty was not the little innocent shy woman that.
Speaker 2:Christina Ricci portrays no.
Speaker 1:That's Hollywood. That's the Hollywood part of it.
Speaker 2:Looking forward to next week have fun.
Speaker 1:What band are you plugging this week, Lindsay?
Speaker 2:I want to talk plugging this week, lindsay. I want to talk about this really cool band. There's over 30 cities. They're fixing a tour around. Really, yeah, it's a huge it's it's a huge tour these guys are going to blow up. They're amazing. I can't wait to hear them on Octane and everything. Okay, I just looked at some of their stuff on Spotify. They got like over a million views on one of their songs. A million plays. Yeah, it's not the song that I'm going to play, but they're getting popular.
Speaker 1:Let me get my phone ready for the follow.
Speaker 2:They're getting popular, really cool band and I'm friends with some of the former members of a band that he was in a little while ago called Moto Grater. Okay, if you guys haven't heard of Moto Grater, check them out If you like. Five Finger Death Punch that was one of the former singers of Moto Grater.
Speaker 1:That Ivan was in Moto Grater. Okay, I remember you were salty about that.
Speaker 2:I was salty about Ivan Lee in Moto Grater and I'm friends with a few of the members.
Speaker 1:Because we don't like Ivan, but he's got a good voice.
Speaker 2:The ones that I've talked most. The members that I've talked most with was Jesse Stamper, and we used to talk about our last names because I'm Stambaugh, he's Stamper. And friends with him, friends with a couple of the other members too, and it's really cool because it kind of tied in. We played with them twice.
Speaker 3:Oh, look at you. You have a little script Played with Motograder twice. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1:Yes, you have.
Speaker 2:And it was a phenomenal time.
Speaker 1:And they put on a great show. Phenomenal time One time was the Archetype. And then what was the other time?
Speaker 2:That was both times Archetype. Was it Okay Both times Archetype, which is no longer in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that sucks. That was a cool video.
Speaker 2:Hung out with the boys a little bit the first time, that little back porch area.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then on the back porch, because we were smokers back then.
Speaker 2:The second time Remember the lights were going in and out. That was the time that we got to hang out with pretty much the whole crew. It was really cool. The guys were really nice. You could tell that they are just pushing to try to further their career with their music, and Motograder was based on a musical instrument that they had created called a Motograder. So the thing.
Speaker 1:Is that who we're plugging this week Is Motograder.
Speaker 2:Well, no. I'm going to go over them real quick because he sang he sang with them.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:They're just amazing, um, just amazing band, but he left them and decided to do his own thing.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this is Jesse.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:No, no, we had, okay, no, no. We had some really cool times just hanging out though, and you know we did a couple shows with Motor Grader. I haven't played with Cultist Black yet.
Speaker 1:Cultist Black, and that's the name of his band. Okay.
Speaker 2:So you need to follow Cultist Black, and they are kicking ass. They're really going to blow up.
Speaker 1:Oh, I found them right away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're just amazing, really amazing.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:I just followed them. I'm so excited to share them.
Speaker 1:Let me follow them on the gram as well, because I couldn't make a TikTok of our Tyler Hadley episode, because Lori and the Darlings aren't on TikTok. Their music isn't on TikTok. But you got to share the Spotify. But, yes, I got to share it.
Speaker 2:They gave us some really good feedback they shared us, and that's the kind of stuff that we need. She was all about us and she is a fan of us and I love it.
Speaker 3:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much and we need that. That's what we're looking for. That's all we're looking for really. So yeah, I remember for really. So yeah, I remember motor grader with um angel and I remember with james, and james legend now has a band called cultist black and they're kicking ass. I can't wait to see what they're going to be doing because they have a big ass tour coming up and I'm going to share a picture of the, the uh, the schedule and everything. They're coming to jacksonville. We need to go to underbelly and check them out. Yes, I love underbelly.
Speaker 1:yeah, we need to go to underbelly and check them out. Yes, I love underbelly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we need to go so much. We need you guys.
Speaker 1:We got to see slaughter to prevail there by themselves. No openers, they were it caught them, just right. I mean we've went, we've seen several artists there, but that one was. I mean you've played there a lot with your band, yeah. Underbelly's amazing yeah it's a great, great venue. You and Silas went to a Seven Doves pop-up show there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a hurricane party. It was a literal hurricane. They had to relocate. They were down south and hurricanes came through.
Speaker 1:I know Aaron was so worried about you guys and was like, do they need to stay at our house?
Speaker 2:No, was like. We were fine. A little bit of wind outside, it wasn't bad. Solace got dusted. Yes and we got all the seven opportunity to play a super bowl party with seven dust. That was really fun.
Speaker 1:I've had butcher babies seven dust shows with you, but I've still seen them now like seven times yeah, yeah, those guys are so amazing. You've seen them. They embrace silas just so big oh, lashon is just, uh, just a wonderful human being. Well, morgan too, because we were wearing Morgan's.
Speaker 2:He had that little side project with his solo album and his face on the shirt and I had bought the CD and his signed stuff and all that and Morgan got up from his drum set and gave Silas a drumstick. Wow. And afterwards they gave him a hug and he's loving the shirt and her clothes. And he's like loving the shirt and her clothes and and he's like you made my night, bro, and he's just loving. Silas just was embraced by seven dust.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, all the videos you sent me I was at work phenomenal, I couldn't get off work to go it was a phenomenal time, so only downfall to work in night shift. It's better for my mental health, but sometimes I have to miss out on things back to to Coldest Black, though.
Speaker 2:Yes, James, Anthony Legend is an amazing human being and he has some amazing music, amazing vocals. The band Coldest Black you need to check these guys out. I'm going to play their song. It's called House of Straw, and these guys are going to blow up. So if you like kind of heaviest rock, it's very heavy rock Check them out. Okay, I'm going to play them and thank you guys. Thank you, James, Thanks All the bands that that brought him to where he's at. Here you guys go. This is House of Straw.
Speaker 2:Leftist has it strong Better kill, just like this.
Speaker 3:Too dead to dream or dead to care. These haunted hallways Recall despair. There is no hope. We can't repair this broken heart and hollow heart.
Speaker 3:Why can't you see You're killing me? Why can't you see you can have it all. You're killing me. Why can't you see you can have it all. Take and steal. There's nothing left. This house is strong. Burn it down just like there is, just let it fall, watch it run and decay, wilt and wither away this house of straw. You crucify what you cannot deny. I was born into this, but I'm not like you at all. The cracks are starting to grow. The wind's starting to show. I think it's time you should know I'm not afraid to let go. Why can't you see You're killing me? Why can't you see you can have it all? You're killing me. Why can't you see you can have it all. Take it down. There's nothing left.
Speaker 3:This house is strong. Burn it down just like there is. Just let it fall, watch it rot and decay. We'll take, wither away this house of straw, this house of straw. We deserve something more, something more than this Empty land, empty nest is our way out. You can have it all. Take it until there's nothing left. This house is strong. Burn it down just like the rest. Just let it fall, watch it rot and decay. Wild and wither away. You can have it all. Take it down. There's nothing left. This house is true. Burn it down, just like the rest. Just let it fall, watch it run and decay. We'll take women away.
Speaker 2:This is the straw I love it.
Speaker 1:Did you mean to do that with the applause?
Speaker 2:I love it. That was such a good song. Phenomenal he is shining.
Speaker 1:Shining, I know you're going to have to help me find all their shit on Instagram, because I can't find none of it.
Speaker 2:You're going to follow every damn thing that they've ever done. Follow Cultist Black. They are shining. He finally got a chance to put his lyrics down. And fuck James, dude, you're rocking it. Dude, your band is the perfect formula.
Speaker 1:I'll see you on octane. I'll see you at rockville soon.
Speaker 2:Yes, I can't wait. I'll be right up front, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be.
Speaker 1:We're going to underbelly oh yeah, when is this?
Speaker 2:we're going to underbelly. I'm gonna share the the list and, okay, the whole. There's a big tour. These guys are going to say I gotta put it in the calendar we're gone, we're gonna go see um and, uh, yeah, hopefully get to say, hey, that's gonna be awesome. Man, yes, really good, and that really is a good driving ass fucking song.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, it was very nice. I was jamming perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was over here goof booting. I was woo kudos, man kudos, and thanks for the opportunity and we're gonna just go ahead and leave you with this.
Speaker 1:We'll see you guys next Friday, yes, part two going to just go ahead and leave you with this. We'll see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 2:Yes, Part two Eileen Wuornos Part two come in, check us out.
Speaker 1:And another cool band.
Speaker 2:DrinkAboutSomethingsite, site, drinkaboutsomethingsite, and yeah, we'll see you guys then, bye.
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