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EPISODE 17: Monsters are real part 2
Sipping a nostalgic blend of Blackberry White Claw and Galaxy Celsius as you slip into a 90s vibe with a Nirvana shirt and fishnets. This episode kicks off with a fun beverage chat, setting the tone for a trip down memory lane with rave and grunge styles. We also share our current obsession with Game of Thrones season seven's intense moments and give a warm welcome to our listeners from across the globe, especially our new friends from Singapore and Turkey.
We unravel the complex life of Aileen Wuornos, examining her tragic past, infamous crimes, and the media's portrayal of her story, particularly in films like "Monster." From her troubled relationship with Ty to her confrontations with victims like Richard Mallory and David Spears, we scrutinize the conflicting narratives of her actions. Our exploration reveals the intricate layers of Wuornos's motivations and the chaos she left behind, challenging conventional perceptions of her story.
To wind down, we explore the fascinating idea of turning ashes into rocks, before diving into the vibrant music scene with a spotlight on Curtain Call Records and artists like Door 13. As we celebrate the achievements of our beloved metal band Gojira and their Emmy win, we look forward to our next episode featuring the chilling tale of the Gainesville Ripper. Grab your favorite drink and join us for this thrilling blend of true crime, music nostalgia, and more captivating discussions around the corner.
hey, jesse, hello lindsey what are you drinking today?
Speaker 1:today is a special day is it yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Why is it special?
Speaker 1:blackberry bambalam on everything um I'm gonna drink in a blackberry celsius no, I have a celsius just to sip on because I want to be all geeked up. But I got Blackberry White Claw. I stole it from you and I'm not allowed to have them, but I took it anyhow and and. Blackberry Crown, blackberry Crown Blackberry with the Bam Lam and the Bam Lam of the Bam Lam, and what are you?
Speaker 2:drinking. I have got me a double watermelon White Claw With that Galaxy Celsius that you brought home. It's strawberry watermelon, so I was like let me mix that with my watermelon White Claw.
Speaker 1:That sounds out of this world.
Speaker 2:It's very good.
Speaker 1:With the Galaxy. Galaxy Claw Sounds good, it sounds good. It's very good. What are we going to talk about?
Speaker 2:We're on part two of Eileen Wuornos. Foxy Claw Sounds good. It sounds good. It's very good. What are we going to talk about? We're on part two of Eileen Wuornos. We're about to get into the-.
Speaker 1:I've just been like this all week. Because of this I really have I've been like-.
Speaker 2:And I've also been researching for our next case, which will also be a two-parter on the Gainesville Ripper, and I'm nauseous.
Speaker 1:And I am jealous. Why are you jealous? Because you got fishnets on. You look so damn good. Oh, thank you, it's just a little fishnet top, so damn good, lindsay.
Speaker 2:Because I'm wearing a Nirvana shirt and when I got it I cut it a little too wide in the neck, so I gotta wear something underneath it, kind of.
Speaker 1:It's like a cross between listen y'all. It's like a cross between Nirvana, cold Chamber and Rave from 1997.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm in my 90s, there for real today.
Speaker 1:So it's 1997, with a rave and a grunge and a little bit of hardcore in there. Love it, thank you. You are on fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to head to dinner with my best friend, and her daughter is turning 21 today.
Speaker 1:Doesn't that make you feel old so?
Speaker 2:old. That's the thing that makes me feel old this week.
Speaker 1:That's the thing that makes you feel old, right there.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, other than that, I didn't have a change jar, pull my shoulder out this week.
Speaker 1:The thing that makes me feel old is working six days a week. Yeah, that'll make you feel old. Yes, real quick.
Speaker 2:Well, I've done it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:In my time, plenty of times, remember there was a whole summer where I didn't have a day off for like three months, I know Because I was working like three different positions.
Speaker 1:You were trojan-ing it like three different positions.
Speaker 2:you were trojan-ing it was like the battle of the bastards, where everybody's all squeezing in. Oh, that battle gives me the biggest anxiety feeling ever, when they're just trampling over john snow and he can't breathe and I'm like, get off my boy and lindsey's like literally holding her breath, like in the middle of him, all squoze up trying to grab air and she's all like she.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, he's squozed, he is squozed, he's squozed. Game of thrones is our jam yes, we're on um.
Speaker 2:We're on season seven. Yeah, we're on seven, we just started seven we're fixing to do some shit yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1:It is really cool. Hey, I checked out some statistics real quick before we. We fire this thing all the way off. All right, so we're in. The biggest city that we're in is Los Angeles, california.
Speaker 2:Wow yeah.
Speaker 1:The biggest city that we're in. The second biggest is Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 2:Okay, Thank you, Los Angeles. Thank you Los Angeles and Atlanta.
Speaker 1:Thank you A-Town, Hot Town yeah.
Speaker 2:A-Town yeah, atlanta. Thank you, a-town.
Speaker 1:Hot Town, yeah, a-town, yeah, yeah, hotlanta, hotlanta, hotlanta, a-town. I'll get it right.
Speaker 2:Hotlanta A-Town.
Speaker 1:Hotlanta.
Speaker 2:Then City of Angels and then Freakville LA.
Speaker 1:After that, freakville is after that, so that Y'all holler at us and say what's up? And it goes on down from there. Lake City's like fourth, that's where we live. And then I did another one Hang on the global positioning. So we're in nine countries. Nice, that's cool that our little project is reaching out to nine different countries. Yes, it is.
Speaker 2:It's really cool, we just picked up Singapore. I think that's.
Speaker 1:Turkey. That's cool that our little project is reaching out to nine different countries.
Speaker 2:Yes, it is, it's really cool.
Speaker 1:We just picked up Singapore. I think that's Turkey.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Ireland, Australia, South.
Speaker 2:Korea. Hello Ireland.
Speaker 1:And we got some mates in the United Kingdom. Hello.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Hello. We're going to be after Gainesville Ripper. We're going to be traveling over there. Yeah, we're to be traveling over there, yeah we're Well, I mean not literally, but our story, and I got some music that I'll play with that one because I got some music from overseas. The next few are going to be two-parters, guys.
Speaker 1:And there's a lot of serial killers coming.
Speaker 2:Serial killers, couples killers, yes.
Speaker 1:That's really cool, yeah, after.
Speaker 2:Gainesville. We're going to get out of Florida After the or out for the Gainesville Ripper. We're going to get out of Florida for a while Because we've kind of hung out here for a little bit. But there's a lot. Well, there's a lot everywhere, so it's like a little Florida miniseries. There's a lot everywhere. Yeah, there is.
Speaker 1:I knew, but I didn't know, and now you're telling me. Now I'm in the know and you've got like 300 cases ready. You're literally adding every single day to my my agenda. So, yeah, so that's exciting to see our, our little stats and stuff and watch it build. I. I really appreciate you guys so much. Thank you for, uh, everything you know. This is the feedback that we want and it's great, and I'm just going to fire this thing yeah, we need to get it rolling happy friday everybody.
Speaker 1:Here we go. This shit bombs. I love it, what, what. So, lindsay, did you have a great week though?
Speaker 2:It's still slow season in the restaurant industry, so I'm ready for people to get their tax returns back and come dine. Come spend the money, come dine, yes.
Speaker 1:Take the fam out. That's awesome. Work for me has just been challenging, challenging. I work in construction, like road construction, but I do like all the maintenance and purchasing for the repairs and everything. So it's tough, especially when you have certain people that are just unskilled but they're saying that they're skilled. I don't know if you've noticed that too, like in the workforce.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I get it. I don't mind teaching people, but don't show up and be like you know everything but yeah, I'm a trainer at my job and I see that all the time.
Speaker 2:Sometimes they come out amazing and sometimes it's a struggle.
Speaker 1:It's tough, but you know, it is what it is People.
Speaker 2:Sometimes it's a struggle, it's tough, but you know it is what it is. That's just life People are doing their thing.
Speaker 1:I don't really hold it against them, but at the same time, you know, yeah, we have very average Joe jobs, but it takes, the older you get, though, the less patient you get with people though. Oh, yeah, I noticed that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:You're like I don't think you should know, so yeah, you can.
Speaker 2:Especially when you've been in our what we do a piece as long as we have. We're both about 20 years, yeah we've been there forever.
Speaker 1:So we're old crotchety people. We're the ones everybody's looking out for. Watch out for them.
Speaker 2:Yes, so you're going to fire this off girl? Yes, I'm going to fire this off.
Speaker 1:So cheers everybody.
Speaker 2:She's fixing to do it we're.
Speaker 1:So I'm excited to go. Yeah, just go.
Speaker 2:All right. So last week we gave you some background into Eileen and told you of her horrific childhood, which led her to become a drifter and sex worker and had quite a few run ins with the law. By 1986, she was in a relationship with a woman named Tyria Moore, who goes by Ty. Tyria Moore was not the innocent child who was embracing her sexuality as portrayed in the character of Selby in the movie Monster.
Speaker 1:We watched Monster after part one yeah, that was weird to me. That's why I didn't really associate. I don't think that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think they had to change their name for legal reasons. They changed her whole story because that's not what happened.
Speaker 1:So Tyria Moore was her amour.
Speaker 2:Yes. So she was actually quite the troublemaker herself and would participate in some of the drunken shenanigans that Eileen would be a part of. Now, in 1989, as I mentioned in the last episode, eileen's looks had diminished due to her hard life and she had had a hard time getting clientele for her sex work career. Ty was also growing tired of her and she was the love of Eileen's life, and Eileen was trying to do whatever she could to keep her and their party lifestyle going. So on the night of November 30th 1989, eileen was stressed out and trying to make some money. It said that her and Ty were trying to get out of the hotel they were living in and get a better place, and Eileen needed to get the money up or Ty was gone. Ty was out.
Speaker 2:So around 10 30 pm a man named Richard Mallory picked up Eileen while she was hitchhiking. Richard was an electronic store owner from Clearwater. She was hitchhiking. Richard was an electronic store owner from Clearwater. While they were driving, he was drinking vodka and smoking a joint while Eileen was drinking beer. They pulled over to a spot to do the deed and continue talking and drinking. Now this lasted all the way until 5 am before Mallory and Eileen would make their transaction. If you want, we'll call it that To seal the deal To seal the deal, yeah.
Speaker 2:So Eileen took off her clothing and Mallory didn't want to get completely undressed. Eileen was opposed to this and said he wasn't going to zipper fuck her, eileen says that he.
Speaker 1:They've been sitting there for like six hours and he's just like wiggle, wiggle, wiggle.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go ahead and blanket trigger, warning a lot of shit, and also know that everything that is said is given is testimony given by Eileen, that she does go back and forth on and that she will change several times. I just the truth is somewhere in the middle it's scattered all the way through everything.
Speaker 1:Just take I did watch a couple of interviews and things whether she is bouncing, especially like from the beginning to the end, like she bounces back and forth.
Speaker 2:Well, let's not forget, her father was a diagnosed schizophrenic.
Speaker 1:She was definitely that is an inherited trait at some times. So if you do look and you see any of her interviews or anything on.
Speaker 2:YouTube.
Speaker 1:It's rough, she's showing traits of that and bipolar, and she shot out yes very much so.
Speaker 2:And I mean, and she had, she lived a, and I mean she lived a hard life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she lived a hard life. Hard core, yes, existence.
Speaker 2:So Eileen says that Richard Mallory, that he tied her wrist to the steering wheel and tried to sodomize her, then tied a cord around her neck and started pulling on it. She said she got her hands loose and shot him in the chest until he was dead and watched for around 15 minutes as he bled out.
Speaker 1:So at this point it's almost halfway justifiable. But she had planned on doing it, didn't?
Speaker 2:she, I don't know, we don't know. So this is what is portrayed in the movie to the first one to be the. This is the first killing that she did, and this is the point where she snaps.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's not 100% clear if this is actually what happened or if she was just so desperate and was tired of doing what she was doing but didn't know how to do anything else. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I clearly feel like that was the only way that she felt like she could have an existence was to do that kind of work.
Speaker 2:Exactly yeah. So she then moved him and covered him with a piece of carpet. Now, this was one of her three versions of this story. Ty would later on say that Eileen got back to the hotel. She mentioned nothing of rape and had no marks or bruises, and all that Eileen said was I killed a man today. But she showed up with a car and money to move into that apartment and Ty was happy about that.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's so sweet Right.
Speaker 2:Now, like I said, the story of this murder has been told a few different ways, and richard mallory had been to prison for rape when he was 19 and was released a few years later. This was up in maine. He had been a well-known john in the daytona area and none of the other sex workers had reported any abuse from their transactions with him, so this was a first. Eileen also wrote a letter to Don about this and said that Richard Mallory had talked about his hatred for women and even talked about killing his ex wife. So she did shoot him in cold blood and there was no self-defense. That was what was in her letter to Don Botkins.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:The friend that I told you she sends Don letters throughout the years. Yeah, mallory became a missing person and his body was found on December 13th. Now, this was November 30th was when it happened. So they found his body on December 13th. Fast forward to that was December 13th 1989. So fast forward to May 19th 1990. So she had had a cooling off period. Eileen was picked up by a 47 year old construction worker named David Spears from Winter Garden. He was on his way to see his ex-wife and three kids and he did this every weekend. Now, see, david and his wife were divorced but had remained very close and he was actually about to ask her to remarry him that weekend. Wow. And this particular weekend was also his daughter's 23rd birthday and he had a lot of cash as a present to her.
Speaker 1:So dude was going to ask his old lady to marry him and he's all like wait a minute, I got a pocket full of money. He's all like, look, be a lady.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's what happened. I don't think that's happened, all right. So, like I was going to say in my script, why did he pick up Eileen? We will never know. He was only about 30 minutes from his destination and it was outside of his character not to be somewhere on time and for some reason he drove her 80 miles out of the way. And Eileen said that they got drunk, started fooling around in the cab of the truck, then moved on to the bed of the truck.
Speaker 1:So I feel like she was probably trying to hitchhike or do something like that. He got caught up in it and then got caught up in it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to get there.
Speaker 1:Hold on, I don't know I don't feel like that's very strange. Go ahead, yes.
Speaker 2:So she says that he got violent and she spotted a lead pipe, which prompted her to grab her gun and shoot him dead. She's saying that she thought he was going to rape her with this lead pipe so, before he could, she shot him dead. She left him on the side of the road and took off with the $500 that was meant for his daughter for her birthday. Eileen says that she shot him three times, but when he was found it was actually six. Wow, he was found naked but still had his hat on.
Speaker 2:She had his hat on she put it on, it would have fell off she says that they didn't have sex, but he was naked and there was an empty condom wrapper. I think that this was a good Samaritan act gone wrong, as you?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think I'm nailing it.
Speaker 2:I think that she held him at gunpoint to take him that far out of the way, because she did have a gun and staged the rest Right.
Speaker 1:Clearly everything that you had said earlier seemed like a standup dude. He was just wanting to go and have a good time?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it doesn't make any sense. Why are you going to try and pick up a sex worker on your way to your daughter's birthday party? You're only 30 minutes away. You're gonna ask your ex-wife to remarry her. I just think that he was just picking her up to give her a ride, because, by this point, picking up hitchhikers was no longer um, it was no longer in style or in, it was no longer a good thing to do because there had been so many murders that we will talk about later on.
Speaker 1:I'm guilty of picking up hitchhikers myself. Oh God, not me. Can you believe that? Well, I'm a woman.
Speaker 2:But the only hitchhikers that were being picked up at this point in time were women, because they figured that women were in distress.
Speaker 1:I've never picked up a female hitchhiker. Wow, I've only picked up male hitchhikers.
Speaker 2:Do you picked up male hitchhikers? Do you know? I picked up three in my lifetime. My poor granny god rest her soul my wayward uncle talked her into picking up a hitchhiker one time and I want to say this was late 90s, early 2000s who was dressed like a woman but ended up being a man, and they robbed that person, robbed my granny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my granny went through some shit that's just like really has, if anybody else has any stories about hitchhikers yeah, so the one, the last one that I picked up. Yeah, like I said, if you have any stories about them, like, let us know. I want to hear some hitchhiker stories yeah, we'll make an episode about it oh, so the one I picked up, though we talked about the beatles the whole way really. I was on my way to Mobile Alabama. This dude rode with me damn near all the way there.
Speaker 2:My dad picked up hitchhikers when I was the only other person in the car with him when I was younger, which didn't bother me then, but now, as an adult, looking back, I'm like what the fuck, dad?
Speaker 1:The only thing that bothered me was the guy didn't smell very good.
Speaker 2:Oh, he would have been out.
Speaker 1:I literally rolled down the windows and I wanted to hear this guy's story. I really did. That was more intriguing Because I had the five-hour journey from here to Mobile. Picked him up as soon as I got on iTunes.
Speaker 2:So you just wanted some company.
Speaker 1:Ah, yeah, I had a long drive.
Speaker 2:And you were by yourself.
Speaker 1:By, by myself, by myself. Oh God, I ballsed up. I'm so glad you survived that. And this was a big burly dude too, and I was just like, come on in, damn how old were you 23? No, I must have been 25.
Speaker 2:I was 25. Still, yeah, but you're a large, intimidating man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I didn't feel like I was. I didn't think that I don't know why he kind of. You know the military jacket, the bag and everything I was like, you know.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, a lot of them wear that for sympathy.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it wasn't that I didn't think that he was a veteran. We didn't talk about that.
Speaker 2:I was just. I'm glad that you had a good experience with that and I'm glad that the ones my dad picked up while I was a young female in the car did not go wrong, but absolutely never.
Speaker 1:And then the other two, like it was just short jump.
Speaker 2:Because I was a single mom for a long time and I already knew about hitchhiking type killing.
Speaker 1:So there was absolutely no way You've been around me for so long though you know that I get intrigued in in people's lives right it's like real shit, that just really happens. So that's why I was, that's why I'm offering like somebody tell me your story about hitchhiker. I want I get intrigued by that. So that's really cool. Go back to the old flap trap okay.
Speaker 2:So two weeks later, on may 31st 1990, let's let me go back and see when that date was. So David Spears was May 19th, okay. So now we're on May 31st shorter cool off period she was picked up by Charles Karskaden I want to say that that's how you pronounce it, I think so Karskadin, or Karskadin, charles Karskadin, who was 40 years old and a part-time rodeo worker. He was on his way to pick up his fiance and head to Missouri where he had just been hired as a punch press operator. I meant to Google what that was and forgot. Do you know?
Speaker 1:Punch press operator.
Speaker 2:Is that like a factory worker?
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so got. Do you know punch press operator that's. Is that like a factory worker?
Speaker 2:yeah, okay, so he's doing a stamping out metal, I think so eileen shot him because he had a pistol in his back seat. So in her mind that meant that he was going to kill her. So she says he's just a good old boy. So she shot him nine times. Never made it no, no harm. She dumped his body, wrapped it in an electric blanket and then went home to Ty. They went out and played target practice with his gun. What she later pawned his gun with her fingerprint but used one of her aliases and this will later on Serial number.
Speaker 1:I guess Florida didn't check it that much then.
Speaker 2:Well, use fingerprints. I'm really not sure, but I know the fingerprints end up oh, I think okay cool next she was picked up by peter sims, who was 65 and a retired merchant seaman. He was now a missionary and was headed to arkansas from jupiter, florida. He was now a missionary and was headed to Arkansas from Jupiter, florida. Eileen said they had planned to make their transaction in a blanket in the woods. Remember that scene from Monster?
Speaker 1:Oh, that was a missionary.
Speaker 2:Well, in the true story it was. Yes. Eileen says that he was about to rape her.
Speaker 1:So she shot him and left his body right there where he lied and took the car.
Speaker 2:I bet I know what position he was. Stop it, sorry. She was very drunk at this time and later on couldn't remember where his body was and he has never been found really never, his body's never been. He got ate up by one of them, gators probably, or any other thing that lives in our woods and forests.
Speaker 1:There's some critters over there.
Speaker 2:So up until now she had been dumping the cars after a couple of days, but she liked this one and kept it a little while longer. This was a Pontiac Sunbird. Do you remember those?
Speaker 1:Yeah, a little sporty kind of. Yeah, up and down Daytona in the Sunbird.
Speaker 2:And she actually kept one of the many bibles that was in this car in her entire apartment.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, wow, wow, this dude was so I'm don't. Maybe he probably picked her up too, like I think that there was, I think, all of the rest of the one after the first one, I think, richard mallory might have tried to rape her. Honestly, I really think so, yeah.
Speaker 2:Or do something that she didn't want to do and it went too far, yeah, but the rest of these, I believe, were all good Samaritans that she held in. So the good old boy the missionary. It sounds like good-hearted people that are probably just, we're not even halfway done, so oh god, yes now you get me lindsey, I'm so I'm sipping you're tripping because I'm sipping and I'm uh, I'm just going to go ahead and prepare you for part at least part two definitely part two of the gainsville ripper.
Speaker 1:You're gonna need shots shots on the gainsville Part two, so go ahead and make that mental note. No, I feel, I really do. I feel like these were dudes that were just picking her up, thinking that they were just going to give her a ride somewhere.
Speaker 2:Well, like I said, she had already started using the kid pictures the fake kid pictures as a ploy to get sympathy, to get money.
Speaker 1:Up to the point where I'll do you a favor now.
Speaker 2:She was killing and she was seeing how easy it was and it was these fuckers and take their shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah it was just a ride, but it turned into like oh well, I'll give you 20 bucks, and now you're. All these innuendos and all these things ah, flap trap all right.
Speaker 2:so on the 4th of July, Ty and Eileen were drinking and having a good time while out driving this sunbird and Ty crashed the car into a ditch in the neighborhood with a lot of houses. Let freedom ring.
Speaker 1:They was drunk, they was.
Speaker 2:This whole story is drunk driving. Like all of it, every bit of it, there is no sober.
Speaker 1:There's no sober period that's in the movie, just portrayed like in the movie too, right, okay, yeah so people came running out to help, but eileen and ty peaced the fuck out.
Speaker 2:the people didn't get their names, of course, but the faces were remembered because they had memorable faces, and some sketches were drawn up and put out on the news. None of the murders so far had connected themselves because they were in different jurisdictions. Because she was hitchhiking everywhere I mean this one guy was in Jupiter and you know, I mean they were everywhere. And then one, what she took him, that other one, the then one, what she took him, that other one, the, the second one, she took him 80 miles out of the way.
Speaker 2:david spears right, so I mean, and that I believe that that was on purpose all across not just to have some sex, but because she held his ass at gun point. This is my, my belief that she held him at gunpoint to take him way out so she could get her shit that makes more sense too, like once she's in the car, she's in control because she's got a gun all you got to do is point it at somebody's head and they're going to do what you ask them to do, especially a man who's trying to go home wasn't there one like by cedar key too, or something?
Speaker 2:I don't know okay, so there's seven total. We're only on really yeah, seven.
Speaker 1:This is a big one to me, yeah l is a serial killer.
Speaker 2:This is our first serial killer not even Frosted Flakes, frosted Flaps so they didn't connect. They also didn't connect a woman to these because she killed like a man. Poison is usually a woman's weapon and I agree with this.
Speaker 1:Poison is much quicker and those okay, only one was a known john so like everybody else, they have things going on in life yeah, it clearly every one of these dudes don't seem like johns.
Speaker 2:They do not seem like like they frequent the uh street brothels right and, like I said before, by this time most people that were picked up from hitchhiking were women, because it had become outdated to pick up high chicken high chicken it had become outdated to pick up hitchhiking men because of previous killings and robberies made by male hitchhikers. Now, next eileen was picked up by Troy Burris, a 50-year-old sausage salesman from Ocala I bet he was a sausage salesman.
Speaker 2:His body was found horribly decomposed on July 31st and he had been shot twice. There's not a lot more on him. Twice, there's not a lot more on him. Next was 56-year-old Charles Humphreys, who was a retired Air Force major, former chief of police and, at that time, was a CPS investigator.
Speaker 1:All not Johns, not Johns, not Johns, right yeah.
Speaker 2:He was killed on September 11th 1990, and was discovered the next day by some kids oh God Behind some deserted housing developments.
Speaker 1:So she just scattering all over the place. Oh yeah, he Florida, not even just Daytona.
Speaker 2:So Troy Burris was fully dressed, with his pockets turned out and had seven bullets. They had been delivered execution style.
Speaker 1:So now they're on their knees.
Speaker 2:And she's yeah, from the angle of the dangle. Now you know a lot of other sources and podcasters say that she, you know she hated cops, so this might be why she overkilled.
Speaker 1:But she dated cops.
Speaker 2:Well, she let remember. Yeah, after that one video that that one cop showed her.
Speaker 1:She was disgusted by him after that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true disgusted, but at this point it really just seems like she was killing for sports or robbery, I mean to be exact. You know this was straight, she was just.
Speaker 1:This is easy money yeah, for and she's working it. She's just all over the state. It's insane to me.
Speaker 2:All right. Eileen's last victim was Walter Antonio, a 61-year-old trucker, security guard and reserve police officer. This was on November 17th 1990, almost a year after her first kill. His body was found nearly naked and shot four times in Dixie County and his car was later found in Brevard County. That's a big distance.
Speaker 1:That might be the one I was talking about Dixie County, right yeah.
Speaker 2:That's where my parents live, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 2:Brevard that's five hours away.
Speaker 1:Brevard's on down South Wade yeah it's about five hours away.
Speaker 2:That's where our wayward son was for a little while.
Speaker 1:Brevard, but goodness, he's just slaying all over the state. And that's number seven. Mm-hmm, lins, and they're like just Joes.
Speaker 2:Like close to retirement or they're good, like I said, I really believe Sounding like they're good. Dudes, okay Retirement. Or they're good, like I said, I really believe Sounding like they're good dudes, okay, except for one. I kind of believe the Richard Mallory story, but I think everybody else was just.
Speaker 1:I'd have gave her that one.
Speaker 2:Samaritan.
Speaker 1:I'd have gave her that one.
Speaker 2:And whatever Richard Mallory did between 11 or 1030 pm and then 5 am the next morning he was trying to burgle her pm and then 5 am the next morning.
Speaker 1:He was trying to burgle her.
Speaker 2:Could have been Is it burgle?
Speaker 1:No, what's it called?
Speaker 2:Bugger Bugger. Yeah From Game of Thrones, not Bugger. Game of Thrones, lore Buggery.
Speaker 1:Buggery there was some buggery in there.
Speaker 2:Y'all guilty of buggery and hard treason.
Speaker 1:And that's also on Outlander, which we love too remember. Did he bugger? Are you?
Speaker 2:yes, I think that I think that they used a lot of like, yes, and I liked it. What was it?
Speaker 1:I was like okay, all right, so after after, after game of thrones after house of dragons rewatch.
Speaker 2:It's outlander rewatch time, yeah yeah because hopefully we're gonna get the last time the first couple seasons on that one f the first, the first season, the first, very first season, though that fucking piece of shit all right we're gonna go back to reality so after the sketches, this is the horrible reality go go. So after after the sketches were out on the news, they were blasted everywhere. Ty got scared and moved back home to Pittston, pennsylvania, not Pittsburgh Pittston.
Speaker 1:So her folks were all the way up there and she's down in Daytona trying to live it up.
Speaker 2:So their previous landlords called up police and were like hey, I know these two and they are always up to no good Because they were spectacles. I mean, they were.
Speaker 1:It sounds like they were wide the wide open.
Speaker 2:Yes, so along with matching pond items and blood and the blood, there was a bloody handprint left in the sunbird. They were on to eileen. So, on january, what, what, what, what, okay. Two undercover police officers. That went by the name.
Speaker 1:Bucket and Drums. No, are you kidding me right now?
Speaker 2:Bucket, bucket and Drums are going to find y'all.
Speaker 1:Bucket and Drums. Y'all better watch out now. Don't be picking up. No flap traps out there.
Speaker 2:So they went to go hang out at the bar the last resort. They show that in the movie.
Speaker 1:I shared the picture of it in the shrine. It's on our website, drinkaboutsomethingsite. Yeah, but check out the shrine that they have there. You can go there.
Speaker 2:We need to go there, hold on.
Speaker 1:My sister went to all the spots there, by the way, and I'm jelly Now that we're like nowing because I didn't know, but now I know because we're now, and we're now, and we're now because we've been to daytona.
Speaker 2:A lot, thousands of, but anyhow, we're going but when we're there, we usually stay there in our spot because we're drinking. We don't drive around, we just walk everywhere.
Speaker 1:No, but uh, I want to make a point, maybe not for rockville, but like, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:So the undercover police officers named Bucket and Drum went to hang out at Last Resort, where Eileen was a regular.
Speaker 1:This is my last resort, so they were posing as drug dealers from Georgia on vacation. Hey, y'all got anything. I can buy my name.
Speaker 2:I mean you know it's like it makes sense.
Speaker 1:I mean I've Y'all got any flap traps in there, anybody I can drive away with to Dixie County and we can do some buggery.
Speaker 2:Where'd you get Dixie County? They're in Daytona.
Speaker 1:I know I'm talking about one of the murders that went to Dixie County. Oh, okay. Okay, where did you get Dixie County? They're in Daytona. I know I'm talking about one of the murders that went to Dixie County. Oh, okay, okay, oh, bucket wanted that ride.
Speaker 2:Come on, come on, it's like a free ride. Eileen passed out on a chair after drinking all night and the bartender left her there to sleep it off. And when she woke up, they arrested her for an outstanding warrant on one of her aliases. Arrested her for an outstanding warrant on one of her aliases.
Speaker 1:So you woke up to the bucket.
Speaker 2:Bucket and drums.
Speaker 1:And the drums. Do you know that the bar slogan became cold beer and killer women. After that, cold beer and killer women on a Saturday night with bucket and drums. Yeah, dude, that's awesome. Dude, I made a country hit right there.
Speaker 2:All right, we got to keep going, we got to leave, yeah, okay. So they locate Ty in Pennsylvania and got her to testify.
Speaker 1:Leave me alone, lindsay. I still got this song in my head. I'm going to write I'm taking a drink, taking a drink. All right, I'll got this song in my head.
Speaker 2:I'm taking a drink, taking a drink, all right, I'll take one too.
Speaker 1:Bambalam's good, y'all should try it.
Speaker 2:So they locate Ty in Pennsylvania and got her to testify against Eileen for immunity and to get her to confess through recorded jailhouse phone calls to get Eileen to confess. Eileen did finally confess, either to protect Ty or just to get it off her chest. Now Ty was definitely a part of this because she knew at least about one. She knew about Richard Mallory and turned a blind eye to the rest.
Speaker 1:I guarantee she knew about all of them.
Speaker 2:I mean Eileen's, just showing up with money, cars and guns, I mean, you know, and she's bragging about it wide open, I guarantee it. Well, she did, according to all the stories. She did for sure tell Ty about Richard Mallory. So this all immediately became a cash game and prosecutors, eileen's lawyer and officers were trying to sell her story. This was a big deal. A woman serial killer that killed like a man this was a big deal, but it's only over like $500 a trick.
Speaker 1:That was the most she got. That's what I'm saying, lindsay. What the fuck's going to make you do that over $500? I can't wrap my head around that.
Speaker 2:I can't either. Like I said, I think along I mean my humble opinion here along with her childhood, the fear of losing the love of her life and, honestly, the no longer wanting to fuck men anymore but had no other skills or didn't know how to make money any other way. I think that it all just came to a head and there was a snap. I even if Richard Mallory had treated her the way he did.
Speaker 1:I get this one, I get that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know, I get that one why I think that that may have been the only self-defense if that even happened, because she did tell three different stories about that. So there was the another version was that she just didn't want to do what he wanted to do, so she shot him. So, like I said, that's pretty much what she told Don in the letter to her about that situation.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I mean, I get that one, the rest Paul Harvey's got to tell that one. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Ugh. So the rest of the story. I don't even know if we can say the rest of the story. That voice was the bane of my existence as a child, when I had to go to work with my dad.
Speaker 1:We grew up in the Paul Harvey generation, that was like a real. I mean, honestly, I got to hold up a little credit to Paul Harvey because that was like podcasting for sure. Yeah, it was Go ahead there Lens.
Speaker 2:She had actually ran into a producer's mother before she was arrested who gave her her daughter's card. Mother before she was arrested who gave her her daughter's card. She sold her story to that producer right away after she got arrested for $60 a month A month, not a week, a month, lansy.
Speaker 2:There have been two movies, as we know. The other one is called Overkill, with Jean Smart, the tall blonde from Designing Women. She's been in several movies. I'll have to. Well, maybe we'll watch that one too, because I've never watched that one, yeah, but I don't think anybody's going to match Monster. No, because Charlize Theron transformed herself into Eileen, where Overkill made Eileen look like a sexier person.
Speaker 1:When I watched those interviews and I had never seen Eileen before. Like real Eileen, I've watched the movie Monster with you before and then we watched it again after last weekend. I had never physically seen this woman.
Speaker 2:Didn't she do a great job During this week at work. It's scary.
Speaker 1:I mean, I thought it was the same woman, how that was amazing, wow, and she just had no concept of what real was real.
Speaker 2:No no.
Speaker 1:No, and it was just. She lived in a very small, horrible world. And she stripped down. She lived in a tent in the woods in like a commune type situation, Did a little Lannister work with her brother. He died off, got a little grip and then that should have been the turning point.
Speaker 2:I mean, I really think that the two main people other than Don Botkins and somebody that I'm going to talk about here in a minute. Keith and Ty were, honestly, the two loves of her life.
Speaker 1:I really feel like after her brother had died and she got that little bit of money, if she would have walked the right path she could have become a great person, but there was still some things going on there mentally.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, let's recap and emotionally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, recap it all.
Speaker 2:Her father was arrested and she never met him, but he was arrested and sent to prison for the rape and murder of a seven-year-old child. He killed himself in prison after he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Okay, Her mom abandoned her with her grandparents, her and Keith, who ended up abusing.
Speaker 1:well, the grandfather ended up abusing her, while the grandmother let it happen Sexually with other people too.
Speaker 2:Right, let them come over and Then she pretty much is selling herself for cigarettes, food and drugs.
Speaker 1:What did you call her? The cigarette pig? They called her the cigarette pig, yeah.
Speaker 2:And she was looking for affection from these boys while she was doing this as a teenager. As a teen she's looking for affection from these boys who were doing this with her, but they treated her like a piece of shit.
Speaker 1:And everybody sold her short. And she was fine with $5, probably thinking that that was a come on.
Speaker 2:And then her grandmother dies, then her grandfather kills himself, then Keith dies and you know she marries really hard to be a 69 year old man at 20 years old she gets with a lot of older men. It's just. It was just a continual pattern of sadness.
Speaker 1:Horrible. It's horrible, and the real snap part was the only justifiable thing that she probably could have got out of and then still settled for only less I mean only one $500 trick and thought that she had it going on. They're living lavish.
Speaker 2:Yeah, $500 in the early 90s was a lot of money.
Speaker 1:But it wasn't enough to get by. Well, no, I, I mean this was just what she planned to keep doing. It was like a four month span after that, but anyhow so she was tried for each murder in their different jurisdictions.
Speaker 2:She did keep the self-defense story going for a long time but with her tape confession and ty's testimony her self-defense claim did not take and she was found guilty of first-degree murder for all of them and was sentenced to death. Now she was found guilty for only six of the murders because they never found Peter Simms' body. That was the one I was telling you about earlier. Never found his body, so she did not get tried for that because there wasn't a body. So it was eight.
Speaker 1:really no, it was seven, but only six.
Speaker 2:She got tried for six, yeah, but there were seven total that we know about more, yeah so she told the judge in open court that she hopes he gets raped in the ass one day and that his wife and kids get raped right in the ass. That is verbatim. That is exactly what she said that's more buggery.
Speaker 2:That's more buggery than we need to know about so she got a lawyer named dr legal, who was an old hippie. Dr legal, yeah, okay, who like, who like to smoke the ganja and do cover songs of pink floyd? He's the one we call dr legal. He's gonna make it feel all right. In a documentary I watched, he literally called the ride to see eileen in prison a seven joint ride and would play a tape of his own recorded music. And he had hair like Bob Ross.
Speaker 1:Bob Ross? Was he painting pictures the whole time? He had Bob.
Speaker 2:Ross hair yes, happy little clouds. Now he took her case pro bono thinking he could Sorry, fucker Pro bono thinking he could. He took her case pro bono thinking he could also make money off her story. And it was basically her agent Like yeah, that's cause she had already been tried.
Speaker 1:I believe you, Eileen the weed, Let me know.
Speaker 2:He did this along with a woman named Arlene Prell. Arlene had took interest in Eileen from her first trial and would go on to be her adoptive mother so she could visit her. Because on death row I'm pretty sure on death row only family or spouses can visit and the next of kin get rights when she was put to death Because at this point she actually had a little legacy going.
Speaker 1:A little celebrity? Yeah, for sure. I myself don't really know anything. This point she actually had like a little legacy going. A little celebrity? Yeah, yeah, for sure. I myself don't really know anything about celebrity serial killers, other than the huge ones that we'll do way later on, because there's so much content.
Speaker 2:She was a big one, she was a big one.
Speaker 2:This is huge the next one games or anything was actually not that popular and you will be horrified. I mean, okay, I'm not, I'm not gonna tell anymore because I'm gonna save that for later so I can't wait for next week yeah okay, so arlene, not eileen, but arlene was a born-again christian and a horse breeder. This whole relationship started because eileen had said that jesus told her that a christian woman would write her a letter, and a couple of days later she got a letter from Arlene?
Speaker 1:Is she from Ocala?
Speaker 2:You know what? Probably I didn't do a deep dive into Arlene, that's horse country in Florida.
Speaker 1:Yes, Ocala is horse country in Florida.
Speaker 2:Eileen seriously thought that she would get exonerated from all the murders and that she would go to live with Arlene and raise she wolves.
Speaker 1:She wolves. Yes, they're just going to raise wolf, female wolves and Ocala I don't know if this is Ocala.
Speaker 2:I'm not a hundred percent sure. I did not do a deep dive on Arlene.
Speaker 1:We should have. We're going to find out. We're going to find out.
Speaker 2:So Dr Legal, which his name was, stephen Glazer, dr Legal and Arlene would persuade Eileen to plead no contest this sounds like a circus to me. It is a lot.
Speaker 1:I hope everybody fucked you in the butt judge, I mean. I am her legal. Doctor, doctor, feel good what was it Not feel good, dr Legal, that's what it said. Fucking Dr Doctor.
Speaker 2:Feel good. What was it Not feel good, doctor, legal that's what it said.
Speaker 1:Fucking doctor, legal Doctor, legal's got you girl.
Speaker 2:Doctor legal, who was Stephen Glazer, and Arlene would persuade Eileen to plead no contest to the last four murder charges, but Eileen still got four more death sentences, see Arlene told Eileen that if she went ahead and died, she would go get to meet Jesus a lot sooner.
Speaker 2:You're struggling with all the Arlenes and Eileen. Yes, it's bad. So in 2001, after being on death row for about 10 years, eileen did confess that the whole self-defense thing was a lie and she had shot all the men in cold blood. But this was mostly to get the ball rolling on her death date, because they push him back and push him back, as we've seen from the West Memphis Three case with Damien Echols. He was on death row for 18 years.
Speaker 1:Luckily they pushed that one back. Thank God it sucks that they rotted so long in prison.
Speaker 2:Because when you're on death row, you're in solitary confinement from day one.
Speaker 1:But in this case, in this one speedy trial, speedy execution.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I seem like I'm a hard ass and it's not really that justifiable as far as the legal system goes, I still don't know how I feel about the death penalty, but we'll talk about that another day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm on the. You can brand me with that one.
Speaker 2:She does say to Nick Broomfield in his documentary that it was self-defense, but she had to say otherwise, to die, basically, and she was ready. So her last meal was KFC and french fries and her last words were I would just like to say that I'm sailing with the rock and I'll be back. Like independence day with Jesus June 6th, like the movie big mother shipping on, I'll be back, I'll be back.
Speaker 1:You know we took a break earlier and I kept singing Martina McBride's Independence Day. Lindsay's like why do you keep saying that? I'm like it's in my head. What's in your head right now, lindsay? What song right now?
Speaker 2:Dr Feel Good, dr Feel Good.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 2:He's the one to make you feel all right, yes, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Finish this thing up. What a story, goodness.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, finish this thing up. What a story, goodness. So on October 9th 2002, at 947 AM, eileen was put to death by lethal injection. She had requested Natalie Merchant's song Carnival to be played at her funeral. That's what I sent you earlier this week you did. Yeah, oh sweet, that's the jam her and her bible were cremated together and sent to don botkins, who spread them around a tree in michigan.
Speaker 2:So she went back to where it all started I will never be a serial killer, so I have no idea how I throw me out on at the off the pier in daytona. Just be done with it I don't know if I'd want to die.
Speaker 1:I like the cremation idea oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Cremation to me is because you know why I have fear of being buried alive or they can make you into rocks. You know that well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Cremate me and make me into jory, put me in a tree, do something like that yeah, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1:I like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean we all go back to the earth.
Speaker 2:Native Americans, and that's what I would rather do is be back in the earth, not in a casket. It's like okay.
Speaker 1:When you look at all of what we're made of, you know, and what the universe is made of and everything, we all just go back to the earth. I don't want to be in a casket. Native Americans believe that. Why have a? We don't need a shrine, you know. I mean you can have personal. Just give everybody a rock that's made out of me.
Speaker 2:That'd be cool, like well that concludes our two partner on Eileen Warno's really cool, lindsay, really cool.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to go ahead and say that you're awesome and this story's awesome.
Speaker 2:Is it?
Speaker 1:Or horrific, horrifically awesome. Oh yes, and there was burglary going on.
Speaker 2:Burglary. There's a lot of horrible factors. But cheers everybody, Our first serial killer Goodness gracious, the first of many to come the first of many.
Speaker 1:I've been dealing with Curtain Call Records myself.
Speaker 2:So who are you plugging today? I?
Speaker 1:got this cool band.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Hang on, let me put this down, because I'm geeking over here on my Blackberry Bambalam. And I want to play. It's a really cool band. They're awesome and they're from Curtain Call Records and thank you, curtain Call Records and Gigi and everybody.
Speaker 2:I need to get my phone.
Speaker 1:Door 13 hit me up and they were on our Drink About Something playlist that you can find on Spotify. It's really cool and the song's called Ride or Die. And you know what happened. This weekend I got hit up by another group that wants us to play another song of theirs called Ride or Die, so I'm going to play that one later on. But yeah, I have this really cool jam and I can't wait to share it with you guys.
Speaker 2:I'm excited. What was the name of the band? Again?
Speaker 1:They are called Door 13. What was the name of the band? Again, they are called Door 13. So yeah, without further ado, I'm just going to go ahead and crack these guys off. Amazing, check them all out.
Speaker 2:I'm excited.
Speaker 1:Door 13. This song is called Ride or Die. We'll be right back. Crazy trainers are coming. Crazy trainers are coming. I've got a dream in my head. Oh, I'm dreaming right. I gotta dump those tracks right now or wind up living dead. Hey.
Speaker 2:Don't give it away, bitch. Throw my ride or die. It's not perfect, so you gotta write it out, or is it worth it? You're living in the doubt. You gotta share your problems. Put some on your IG. I've locked all of your shit out, baby, so I don't get your disease. Hey, don't give it away, bitch For my ride or die. It's not perfect, so you gotta ride it out, or is it worth it? Living in the doubt? Hey, don't give it away, bitch. You're my paradigm. It's not perfect.
Speaker 1:So you gotta write it out, or is it worth it? You're living in the doubt. It's not perfect. It's not perfect. It's not perfect, it's not perfect, it's not perfect. Lindsay.
Speaker 2:That was a good song.
Speaker 1:These Curtain Call records Absolutely. Bands are so phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Really good. I followed them on everything.
Speaker 1:Back when my band was going good, they hit me up and wanted me to be on there. You think we were worthy.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Shadow of the Earth has some damn good music. You've done a good job.
Speaker 1:But these bands are phenomenal.
Speaker 2:PS. Check out Shadow of the Earth's music. They are not currently playing right now In search of a singer. They have one in the works.
Speaker 1:We got one in the works. In the works it's a male now Mm-hmm, which you know. The recorded singer was actually like our third singer.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And she did a phenomenal job and really set the tone for our style. But yeah, ride or die by Door 13.
Speaker 2:Check them out, absolutely check out. Curtain call records follow them on everything and they have they have music, that's you know.
Speaker 1:We have a little soundtrack on here and I'm gonna beg her for more music because I love it. Thank you, gg.
Speaker 2:Thank you, curtain call records every band on here is phenomenal.
Speaker 1:Very good, very good Top notch Like why aren't they getting Grammys?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But listen, some of them will be. Some of them will be.
Speaker 2:I was so excited to see our boys.
Speaker 1:Go.
Speaker 2:Jira, my dyslexia Go Jira.
Speaker 1:Go Jira, I got you.
Speaker 2:Won an Emmy. I love it when a metal artist wins a Grammy or anything.
Speaker 1:I feel like metal's coming back.
Speaker 2:I hope so, but that performance was out of this world. I watch it every time I get a chance. Do you remember when metal was pop?
Speaker 1:You remember when that was popular?
Speaker 2:music.
Speaker 1:God we had such a great teenage the 90s and the early 2000s, it still popped to us. Yes, but we will see you guys next Friday, right?
Speaker 2:For part one of the Gainesville Ripper, or Danny Rowling aka the Gainesville Ripper.
Speaker 1:Yeah. If you like Scream, then you'll like this, so we'll see you guys. Then See you guys next Friday. Bye.
