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Drink about something
EPISODE 19: Screaming for Danny Rolling (part 2)
A nice drink from Halpatters while reminiscing about the quirks of Lake City. We share our appreciation for the comedic brilliance of TikTok creator DanteElizabethJames, we also indulge in some local history, karaoke memories, and a bit of Krispy Kreme temptation. Our discussions weave through the joyous 50th anniversary of SNL and the everyday aches of cramps, all with a touch of humor and spontaneity that keeps the conversation lively and engaging.
But the mood shifts as we tackle the unsettling story of Danny Rowling, a criminal whose actions left Gainesville, Florida, in fear. With a grim fascination for Ted Bundy, Rowling's crimes were nothing short of horrific, leaving a lasting impact on victims and the community. Through chilling recollections of his gruesome acts, we explore society’s ongoing obsession with true crime, the need for heightened vigilance, and the importance of mental health awareness to prevent such tragedies. The haunting nature of Rowling's deeds serves as a stark reminder of the grim realities some communities face.
We also explore the less obvious cultural connections, such as how Rolling's case inspired the "Scream" movie. From legal maneuvers to courtroom serenades, we uncover twists that could rival any Hollywood script. Our reflections extend to the role of media during the Satanic Panic of the 90s and the surprising mishandling of evidence. Despite the heavy themes, we find room for nostalgia, celebrating the musical legacy of "The Dev" and sharing stories of personal impact, proving that even amidst darkness, moments of lighthearted memory and gratitude can shine through. Join us for this eclectic mix of humor, history, and true crime that promises to keep you intrigued from start to finish.
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Speaker 3:That's my bestie, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:See that girl over there chugging two white claws in one cup. That's Lindsay. Yeah, that's my bestie, Lindsay.
Speaker 3:She's my bestie. She goes by Linz. We call her Linz-y sometimes for short.
Speaker 1:She's unique. Okay, so that is a little bit from one of my favorite TikTokers. His handle is DanteElizabethJames. Follow him. He literally will Dante Elizabeth James. Follow him. He literally will make your day. It's awesome. I got Jesse on him now too.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I just get a kick out of it. It doesn't make any sense, but it makes all the sense I love it.
Speaker 1:So what are you drinking today?
Speaker 3:I went to Howl Patters which did not, did not distill until recently.
Speaker 1:Right, they are a local brewery, yeah, and they've only done ale and shit like that, yeah now they're our local brewer and distiller.
Speaker 3:How patters used to be the name of the chief that was here in lake city. How patters, uh chief, how patter, which was chief. They also called him chief alligator and the town of lake city used to be called alligator. So some history. But um, yeah, they started distilling. They have the best rum I've ever had in my life. They also called him Chief Alligator and the town of Lake City used to be called Alligator. So some history. But yeah, they started distilling. They have the best rum I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 1:It's so good what you let me taste last night. I was instantly transported to the beach to an island.
Speaker 3:How patters?
Speaker 1:And it was so good. You had it with some pineapple Fanta. What'd you have with it today?
Speaker 3:The mango monster. Okay, that's so good too.
Speaker 1:Fuck, you're having a monster on top of the Celsius.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He's about to start doing backflips y'all, I'm geeking.
Speaker 3:That's probably why I was like hey, lansy, but anyhow, what are you drinking over there?
Speaker 1:I have a double. It's Actually not a White Claw. I have a double Vista Bay from Aldi Aldi's special seltzer Vista. Bay, seltzer, seltzer, seltzer. I got a double Black Cherry.
Speaker 3:Bam-blam, yes, bam-blam, and that's good too. The Vista Bay is good. I've tried it, love it. The pineapple and the lime are the tits, so powders and if you shop at aldi, don't sleep on their seltzers. If you drink seltzers, like this debate yes yes, your girl can't handle a lot of sugar so I gotta drink the seltzer yes, yes, yes, yes and two more yeses and you want to cue that intro I might, I might. But first I wanted to say, while we were mic checking, we love that 50th anniversary of SNL.
Speaker 1:We watched the concert and the three hour special or two and a half hour special.
Speaker 3:It was so good.
Speaker 1:Sorry, that was our refrigerator. Y'all it was so good.
Speaker 3:And I want to watch it all again. Yes, that was our mic check. Yes, by the way. So yeah, happy fucking Friday. Yes, that was our mic check. Yes, by the way. So yeah, happy fucking. Friday. It's going to be a great weekend. I'm fitting a bump this you ready.
Speaker 4:Bump, bump.
Speaker 1:Here we go it makes me want a clean house or something. I don't want to do shit right now but record this podcast. It's that time of the month and I am dead. I'm dead inside, a little bit on the outside, but that's just.
Speaker 4:It happens.
Speaker 1:Having horrible, horrible lady time is a side effect of having your tubes tied. And I also have PCOS. Be supportive. I try to be. I think yes, and I'm just sitting here like cramps go away, fuck these cramps Her cramps are named Lindsay too. My cramps have cramps, hey, lindsay.
Speaker 2:Quit cramping me, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:My uterus is at war with itself.
Speaker 3:We're going to get her all tanked up over here. She'll be like I don't care, I know.
Speaker 1:Let's watch more snl. Yeah, I had thought about taking a uh garden gummy, but last time I did that it was on one of our west memphis three parts and I don't even remember recording it she was like it sounded great well.
Speaker 3:She was like there's no way this is any good.
Speaker 1:I was like it's good I'm so happy that it was because, I blacked out while I was awake.
Speaker 3:Good good, good. See, I can say that way faster than good good, good. I can say that really good instead of cool cool, cool, good, good, good Good.
Speaker 1:Alright, so do you want to know what we're drinking about today?
Speaker 3:Well, we're drinking about part two of something that we started last week and I already knew. I knew, but I don't know what you're fixing to drop on me, I don't know what you're fixing to drop. I'm so sorry. We rode around Gainesville earlier and we took a couple pictures and she's like you see that Krispy Kreme over there. I'm going to talk about that and I was like fuck, lancey, really.
Speaker 4:Why are you telling me this right now?
Speaker 3:I wanted some Krispy Kreme. We should have got us a clutch of Krispy Kreme donuts.
Speaker 1:They didn't have the hot sign wasn't on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but if I can, stop by and get a clutch of donuts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Krispy Kreme is the tits. Nobody can top them.
Speaker 3:You can call it a clutch whenever you have it under your arm and you're holding that shit like you're a kill somebody over a clutch of crispy cream seriously they'll be talking about us I'll know what y'all do, but it's pure magic.
Speaker 1:What was his?
Speaker 3:motive yeah, he's trying to take my clutch of crispy creams so I dressed up like rambo.
Speaker 1:Listen, I would defend you some crispy creams. This drink is badass, lindsey I bet because, like I said, I tasted what you had going on last night and it was amazing so danny rolling, part two right danny rolling, part two rolling, rolling, rolling, rolling.
Speaker 3:What keep rolling, rolling, rolling rolling.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's horrible he's. He's a horrible person. We don't know y'all be loving this shit Right here.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, girl Fly.
Speaker 1:So last week we talked about how Danny Rowling had had a horrific childhood. His father hated him from birth and he went on to become a peeping Tom, a drifter, a singer-songwriter, but not a successful one, a robber, a rapist and a murderer. Songwriter, but not a successful one, a robber, a rapist and a murderer. But we did not conclude with all the murders he would commit, and he would not even be suspected of the murders of the Grissom family that he slaughtered for some time. That murder happened in Shreveport, louisiana, and now he has made his way to Gainesville, florida. At the start of the 1990-91 school year, at the University of Florida, home of the Gators Go, gators, I was about to say you can say it, I'm not, I'm an old fan, go.
Speaker 3:Gators.
Speaker 1:But we mentioned Lake City a lot because the Gators college was here at one time, and we live here, yeah, but I have been to several Gator games with you when you were getting free tickets and the college football experience is amazing, the tits. Except for that one time when you got the sunshine seats. Don't ever get the sunshine seats.
Speaker 3:Unless you just have to go. You're that much of a fan.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, don't get the sunshine seats at the first game, which is always in August at three o'clock in the afternoon. What the fuck.
Speaker 3:Sweltering.
Speaker 1:I have no idea why they even do that to them, boys and girls and the band. Well, they're tough, the football players, the cheerleaders I mean, they practice in that shit, so I mean it's understandable, but still it's tough in the sun seats.
Speaker 3:But if you're a true diehard fan, I get it.
Speaker 1:you know I get it so students were getting settled in for the new square and danny had set up camp in some woods near the archer road exits, which is an exit that jesse and I frequent often yeah, I know exactly where that is yeah, scott or sam's club most of the good restaurants, the guitar center, except for the downtown restaurant sort of the tits, it also has the guitar the guitar center and it also has the guitar center yes
Speaker 1:yes, where I go he had pre-recorded a tape confessing his upcoming crimes and an apology to his family for it. But guess where he went before deciding on gainesville?
Speaker 3:you're fixing to tell me something cool, tell me, tell me. I don't know about being cool, but he went to deciding on Gainesville. You're fixing to tell me something cool?
Speaker 1:Tell me, tell me I don't know about being cool, but he went to Tallahassee first, tallahatchie, home of the Knowles and where Ted Bundy had previously had a brief reign of terror.
Speaker 3:In Tallahassee, wow yeah.
Speaker 1:See, Danny had a fascination with Bundy and kind of wanted to follow in his footsteps and even bought a new K-Bar knife while he was there.
Speaker 3:All shiny and new.
Speaker 1:Now, for reasons unknown, he instead took his demonic ass to Gainesville. I wrote this before I actually deep dived a little bit more. It was actually because I guess Gemini from the movie that we did not finish last week, the movie the Exorcist, part 3. Oh, the killer was Gemini and he was possessing people in this movie. We did not finish it. I couldn't get into it and I've heard it's really good, but we just we couldn't get into it. Just fell asleep and I was like scrolling through TikTok and I saw some clips from the SNL concert and I was like scrolling through TikTok and I saw some clips from the SNL concert.
Speaker 3:And I was like wake up.
Speaker 1:We're watching this right now.
Speaker 3:Grab your Rushford on a little makeup.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:See, now I'm more nostalgic when it comes to Exorcist. I don't want to fuck with the first one. Any sequels.
Speaker 1:But I've heard that it's good but we just couldn't get with it. We couldn't get with it, like.
Speaker 3:Exorcist Emily Rose and all the exorcists, anything exorcist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we even went and saw the new one over the summer.
Speaker 3:I don't care about none of them, I mean even if they're the tits, I don't care, I just want that and that all alone, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we love the OG. We watch it twice a year probably.
Speaker 3:Is that selfish of me? No, I mean, I just can't help it. I just can't help it. I just want that one and that one alone. That's all I want in my head.
Speaker 1:Well, like I said, we couldn't get into it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So he had watched the movie and became fascinated of the Gemini killer who possessed people, as he himself was a Gemini. So he would go on to say that Gemini took over.
Speaker 3:So he had that Gemini syndrome? Yeah, something like that. Is that a?
Speaker 1:band yes, okay, when he got to. Gainesville, he went to Walmart down the Walmart murder aisle. No, actually he bought a tent but stole a screwdriver, duct tape and two pairs of athletic gloves. After his campsite was complete, he started stalking students at the university. Oh, fuck gloves. After his campsite was complete, he started stalking students at the university. On August 23rd he climbed up a second-story apartment and took off all of his clothes but kept on a fanny pack. God, that was nice, did you?
Speaker 3:think that nobody could see him if he was naked?
Speaker 1:No, well, I guess. So Jim and I made him invisible.
Speaker 3:I'm incognito.
Speaker 1:But he kept on his fanny pack which contained all of his supplies. He intended to commit a murder while in his birthday suit, but a drunken student happened to walk by and point him out and he quickly left the scene. Whoa. So I want to tell you this I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:I can see him doing the whoa.
Speaker 1:They're probably pointing at his oh my God, there's a Nekitude in a fanny pack, bro. Is that your wang, bro God? What the fuck, bro? Get down, bro man. I do want to tell you before I continue, because it's about to get nasty, it's about to get horrible.
Speaker 4:Get your laughs out now, but out now Well.
Speaker 1:I wanted more Rambo.
Speaker 3:I wanted more Rambo. We're done with Rambo, rambo's done, are you fucking?
Speaker 1:kidding me. Right now it's Jim and I now.
Speaker 3:You're fucking kidding me, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Oh, and also I did want to tell you this because I listened to like 15 different podcasts on this, but of course, I had to listen to my favorites. Last podcast, on the left, Henry said that you should have a cup or a what is it? A goblet?
Speaker 3:A goblet.
Speaker 1:What is it that you call that you put your whiskey in?
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't know A fucking cup.
Speaker 1:A tumbler? Is it a tumbler? I don't know, that's what I have here A tumbler full of Okay Well, he said that you should have a glass of neat whiskey for this one. Before you hear what I'm about to tell you, so just straight up, good ass whiskey yeah, but you're drinking rum, so I forgot to tell you that ahead of time you told me this was a three-shotter for this one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're gonna need three shots for this, but I mean I got, I got half and half over here, so I'll be all right.
Speaker 1:There's about 12 all right, are you ready? Strap in, buckle up. Yeah, pull down your harness, like you're on a roller coaster.
Speaker 3:Oh click, click, click, click, click, click, click. Hold up, mine didn't click.
Speaker 2:Oh, it didn't click that third time, kevin.
Speaker 3:Hart said he went to Asia and rode a roller coaster and he's like it don't click Mine, don't click Mine ain't click Anyhow, anyhow. So okay, I'm ready for this roller coaster. Pissed that he's not fucking Rambo right now. I'm fucking pissed, lindsay, I'm fucking pissed Now he's birthday suit, Gemini.
Speaker 1:Well, just for that night.
Speaker 3:You fucker man.
Speaker 1:He tried. It didn't work out, so Okay. The next day, on August 24th 1990, danny, dressed in all black, wearing a ski mask and gloves, and goes to the apartment of Sonia Larson and Christina Powell. He had been stalking these poor girls for a few days. At 3 am when they were sleeping, he pried open the door with a screwdriver and Christina Powell was asleep on the couch. He watched her sleep for some time, then went upstairs and watched Sonia Larson sleep as well.
Speaker 3:Just creep bagging. Goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:He then stabbed Sonia in her collarbone and taped her mouth shut, because she did, of course, immediately wake up in pain and scared as fuck. Yeah, and he didn't want her to wake Christina up. Then he stabbed her in the chest and arms as she was fighting back, but she quickly passed away. Then he makes his way down to Christina, who was still sleeping. He taped her mouth shut and her hands behind her back. He then repeatedly raped her. He turned her over on her stomach and stabbed her in the back over and over again, and he was stabbing her as deep as the knife would go.
Speaker 3:Nine inches.
Speaker 1:And I've seen the pictures. Now You've showed me some and I also looked up some. Yeah, holy fuck, and the image of that has just been in my brain continuously.
Speaker 3:This is horrific. Yeah, I'm shocked. Right now I'm letting you roll, though.
Speaker 1:So, after she passed, he then cut off her breasts and wrapped them in plastic. He used a bottle of dish soap to clean all the evidence and pose their bodies in horrific manners oh my God. And posed their bodies in horrific manners, oh my God. He posed Christina on the living room floor face up, so that the breast removal would be the first thing to be seen. What the fuck Lindsay.
Speaker 1:He then posed Sonia on her bed, laying back, with her legs bent at the knees so that her feet hung down to the floor. He had done all of this while playing the song Faith by George Michael on repeats.
Speaker 3:What why are you ruining it? Why are you ruining it? Why are you ruining it?
Speaker 1:There will be so many songs ruined from here forward.
Speaker 3:I'm ruined.
Speaker 1:Just remember that it's going to be a lot of songs ruined.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm going to Limp Bizkit on that one. What the fuck. So he's doing all this shit naked I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just told you he only did that the one night. He was dressed in all black and wore a ski mask and gloves, but like what the fuck, dude, You're cutting?
Speaker 3:What Ugh Dude? This is sick Lindsay.
Speaker 1:He then took a nap in Christina's bed, took a shower in their fucking shower and left at dawn singing a hymn to himself and returned to camp.
Speaker 3:A hymn.
Speaker 1:A gospel hymn.
Speaker 3:I guess that made it all better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only noise that the neighbors say that they heard was loud banging and the song playing. That's it. If I could touch your body, what?
Speaker 3:Lindsay.
Speaker 1:You gotta have faith. The very next day you want to take another. You want to take a sip.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going to God Slow down. No, I decided to put crushed ice in this one, and it's coming through the straw what the there's going to be more that, like I mean yes, oh, man hang on y'all. What did I?
Speaker 1:tell you, I gave you a hint the other night. I should have pre-gamed.
Speaker 3:Why didn't you tell me to pre-game dude?
Speaker 1:I told you the other night that this will be some of the graphic, most graphic murders that we will cover period dude, I should have pre-gamed.
Speaker 3:This is not right. This is not well, of course, I mean, but I'm not. I'm nowhere near done, so strap in I mean that's fucking horrific, but the george michaels really got me. I know that this dude's got more than that.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 3:You ready for me to keep going? Yeah, I guess. Fuck.
Speaker 1:I mean goodness, lindsay the very next day, on August 25th, the very next day, he would set out on Krista Hoyt. You saw the names.
Speaker 3:you saw the name, so you should already know, we went to the little monument thing today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he used the screwdriver to open her sliding glass door and waited for her to get home by hiding behind her bookshelf. When she got home around 10 pm, he attacked her with his fists, duct, taped her mouth shut and her hands behind her back, and proceeded to rape her for over an hour, while stabbing her repeatedly during the rape. What he then turned her on her stomach and stabbed her in the back, then turned her back over, stabbed her in the stomach and sliced upward.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 1:He then cut off her nipples and placed them on top of her exposed intestines, then cut off her breasts and wrapped them in a towel.
Speaker 3:I'm over here looking at my wife right now, lindsay.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 3:You set me up for some shit like this I warned you, lindsay, I warned you. Lindsay, you agreed to do this with me this is fucking the worst thing I've ever heard in my life so far.
Speaker 1:But do you know, we're going to get off track for just a second. The number one reason why women listen to a lot of true crime and are obsessed with it awareness, so that we do not get ourselves in situations like this. Now, it's not like these girls got themselves in a situation.
Speaker 3:They didn't get them into nothing, they're just hanging out at home.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:And going to school. These are college girls, right, right.
Speaker 1:If I was in college now like okay, say, knowing about this, I would have a roommate, a ring camera, alarms, all of that Because I know what happened to these girls and there is a boy too later on it. Because I know what happened to these girls and there is a boy too Later on it's awareness how long I mean I now. I didn't use to. I used to leave our doors unlocked while I would get in the shower and get ready for work. Now the front door is locked, the back door is locked, the garage door is shut and the garage door is locked. My bedroom door is locked and I will not let Silas leave this house door is locked and I will not let silas leave this house, even to go to his friend's house where we know his family, if I am in the shop.
Speaker 3:You are right in this house. Yeah, so it's just just existing, and it also lets you know it also lets you know.
Speaker 1:Like number one, I always say there is no good old days. This was 1990 and a lot of people think that was a good old day In your little small world, in your family it might have been, but somebody else down the road was grieving the death of their child.
Speaker 3:Some shit like this happened.
Speaker 1:The horrific murder of their child and they will never be the same.
Speaker 3:And this is just one of many, though. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:One of many.
Speaker 3:Very many.
Speaker 1:A lot of many Like I said, I already have enough cases for the next three years and I'm adding every day.
Speaker 3:I'm supposed to get callous to this shit I'm supposed to be, like I'm going to just make some jokes over here. You'll never get completely callous, let me just get over here and just chuckle, chuckle, ha ha about some shit.
Speaker 1:Lins, okay there will be some points where you can breathe, but it's not right now I breathe, but it's not right now.
Speaker 1:I can't go Now at this point. He had supposedly left, but came back because he had forgotten his wallet and decided to do more. To complete his horrific, absolutely horrific scene, he cut off Krista's head and then positioned her body on the edge of the bed, spreading her legs wide apart, her arms drooped to the side and her intestines spilled out. What the fuck? To complete this brutal scene, he positioned a mirror, to make sure that that was the first thing for whoever would discover this body. So what the fuck? Man?
Speaker 4:The first thing for them to see this would actually be.
Speaker 1:This is this, krista Hoyt? That one would be the worst crime scene in Florida history?
Speaker 3:I guarantee it. I mean there's worse than that ever. What the fuck?
Speaker 1:I'm not sure, because I haven't went on to study more, but I mean at that point in 1990, that was the worst crime scene. I can't believe that. Krista was a student at Santa Fe and worked for the Alachua County Sheriff's Department, and when she didn't show up to work because she was punctual, like she was studying to become a cop herself.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:An officer did discover her body. Now it is said that he may have known this about her schedule and because his father was a cop. Remember.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Baby Dumplin'. He wanted to make sure that everything would fuck with whoever discovered these bodies, that it would fuck them up for life so this is his artwork.
Speaker 3:Like he's just like this is what?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean, he's taking the time to do it, so he's wanting this to be a shock and all, and he does say that later on. So, goodness, goodness, I read one book. There's two books out there that I know of, one I could not get a hold of on Audible, and then another one, and it's just, it's horrible.
Speaker 3:This is the worst thing I've ever heard in my life, the most gruesome shit and the thing about it right now. You've seen some of this shit, haven't you?
Speaker 1:you've seen some of this shit, hadn't you? When you're google researching, and because? And not everything you want to find is going to be on that first page, so you've got to go to images links and videos, all the all the, and sometimes you see shit that you don't want to see, I don't want to hear this, but I'm here for it, god, and walked away with the hem again probably Most likely Circle being broken oh my.
Speaker 1:God. So Gainesville police now knew that they had a serial killer on their hands. Terror had quickly spread through town. Obviously, classes were temporarily suspended and some parents withdrew their children forever. Wow, parents that couldn't get a hold of their kids were tying up all phone lines, all the phone lines for well checks and, like I said, and for for you, um, people who are listening that may have been born in a later time than this case happened. This was before cell phones, yeah, and this is a massive university, massive.
Speaker 3:Most of the students there have scooters that they will so that they can get from class to class on time because it's so massive yeah yeah, then too they had the little mopeds back then.
Speaker 1:I remember seeing them, yeah so theories for who the killer was was already spreading as well. Some thought it was a cop, some thought it was a cop, some thought it was a student and some thought it was a pizza delivery man. This was before DoorDash and Uber Eats, so pizza delivery was your main food delivery source. Right, it was pizza. Now, I'm sure there was a few local little shops that might deliver you a Cuban sandwich, but pizza was it. So, unfortunately, this would not stop Danny. I'm sure he wasn't watching the news.
Speaker 3:I'm sure the terror and the hysteria, the whole fucking town.
Speaker 1:This is in two days. So he started on the 24th With Christina Powell and Sonia Larson, he went to Krista Hoyt and now, on the very next day, on the 26th, danny was peeping on Tracy Paul's in Gatorwood Apartments. What he didn't know was that she had a roommate named Manny Taboada.
Speaker 3:Lindsay, that's literally right across from where we was at earlier.
Speaker 1:I know, I know.
Speaker 3:That's literally right there.
Speaker 1:We were there. We've been there many times. We probably rode by many, many a murder scene. I mean it's just weird to think about. We're so close.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh my God.
Speaker 1:Now Tracy and Manny had been friends since high school. Their families knew each other and Manny and Tracy decided to be roommates. They were not dating, they were just roommates. They decided to be roommates so Tracy could have protection going to this massive university. I believe they were from Miami, around that area.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Manny had played football and was very tall and weighed about 200 pounds. Danny didn't see Manny when he was peeping because Manny was working his shift at Bennigan's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so his schedule was conflicted again, so he never did notice there was anybody else Right?
Speaker 1:But he did notice before he went into the house. He did. He waited until they were both asleep. Now that he's seen cause, he was determined to kill the female. He waited until they were both asleep and broke in around 3 am. He shimmied the door open with the screwdriver and went to take Manny out first. He stabbed him in the chest and tore it open and Manny still fought back. Danny was stabbing wildly now and Manny did manage to restrain him for a moment, but Manny was losing a lot of blood yeah, he's taking on a football player right yeah but Danny still overpowered him and stabbed him in the chest, cutting upward, and this one killed him, goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:He would have a total of 30 stab wounds wow so. M. So Manny fought. Manny fought hard. Tracy had woken up by this point, because he couldn't get Manny's mouth shut.
Speaker 3:Right At this point like some chaos, some shit going down.
Speaker 1:Now she saw the attack and ran into the bathroom and locked the door, but Danny kicked the door down and taped her mouth shut. But and I forgot to write this and before he did, she actually looked at him, said you're him aren't you?
Speaker 3:yeah, I just got chills I know.
Speaker 1:I know my tears welled up, just chills could you imagine this shit?
Speaker 3:no, I don't ever want to I mean, they're just, they're an apartment, baby still.
Speaker 1:But we're letting fly, we're letting them go out into the world, and then this happens. This was the beginning of the school year. Classes had just started.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm taking a sip. God.
Speaker 3:This ain't strong enough. I mean, it is, but it ain't this ain't strong enough. I'll go with you. I'm going with you. Okay, lindsay, I'm taking a fucking drink. Okay, lindsay, lindsay, Go ahead, shit.
Speaker 1:He taped her mouth shut and her arms behind her back. He then raped her and stabbed her and dragged her body out to pose, but she was still alive. He then wiped the blood off of her face and raped her again until she bled out from her wounds, and then he would say that this is when Gemini left him and his mission or assignment or whatever demonic excuse he had, was complete. He then jumped into I think it was a nearby complex pool, a nearby apartment complex Into their pool to wash off the blood Buried, the knife and the gloves next to an old chicken coop.
Speaker 3:Yeah, gatorwood is a big, complex community really.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can see that those are the ones. It has the wood and the little V-type patterns on the side. It's been there forever. It's been there forever.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's been there forever. It's been there forever.
Speaker 3:Yep, that's the spot, though, mm-hmm, I'm so fucking, you know it's crazy to me just thinking how fearful all these.
Speaker 1:Like Gainesville stopped for a while, you know, I mean it had to.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean because the terror I mean imagine being that person's neighbor yeah which is also probably another student yeah, which is literally another hundred people, would be your neighbor right, right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, because you've got probably one on both sides of you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, most likely yeah, up and down.
Speaker 1:I think it's three stories too, so it's like, yeah, yeah because it's it's student house, it's off-campus student housing's like yeah, yeah, cause it's it's student house, it's off campus student housing. So he went and took a nap at his campsite, woke up and this motherfucker robbed a bank at gunpoint on the 27th. Five murders. He's trying to gather up some money and then dip out.
Speaker 1:So when he gets, when he's at the bank, he's got. You know he's telling the tellers that there better not be any uh dye packs right in the bag. But a witness later on said that they saw that they saw a pink dye explode in his face when he opened the bag oh good, you little bastard.
Speaker 3:That's the sickest fucker I've ever heard in my life right now I know you're gonna pull up some chronic, crazier shit than this there.
Speaker 1:There's going to be some crazy shit later on, but so far, yes, this is the worst that you've heard.
Speaker 3:You've got to tell me the pregame next time.
Speaker 1:The three boys that were murdered in West Memphis that Damien, jesse and Jason got accused of. That was fucking brutal murder.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But, like I said, it got lost. The impact of their murder got lost, just the the impact of their murder got lost in the trial well, and what you talked about was still horrific, right nothing no, it's not like this decapitation posing posing and raping yeah and the george michael has me fucked up right now, lindsey I'm sorry, the fucking george michael lindsey.
Speaker 3:I just don't have faith right now no, I just don't have faith right now? No, I just don't have faith.
Speaker 1:The murders are over.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:You can breathe a little bit.
Speaker 3:I can just ride the wave here.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:But God.
Speaker 1:Do you need a breath? Do you need a breath? Do you need a breather?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm just. I'm verklempt over here, I'm verklempt.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Wasn't that great. I mean talk amongst yourselves. Mike Myers came back.
Speaker 1:Yes, mike Myers came back with Amy Poehler and Maya Rudolph and they did the sweater weather Talk amongst yourselves.
Speaker 3:I'm very verklempt, I'm verklempt, hold on. How do I look when I say that, am I good, am I okay?
Speaker 2:It's DNA.
Speaker 1:I this dna on my drink dna I know I love all of them oh my god, when he said but it's, it's sweater weather and I almost passed the fuck out. Yeah, I almost passed the fuck out right. Then I was like let us know.
Speaker 3:Uh, of course, all we love all the feedback, but god, let us let us know if you watched the snl 50 and what you thought about it.
Speaker 1:And then this too, of course, god fans, we are ridiculous about it, redonkulous do?
Speaker 3:we danced in the kitchen watching the songs play the Lady Gagas, and everybody was just there.
Speaker 1:When Sandler did his tribute.
Speaker 4:I was teary-eyed we're crying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was funny, thank you for letting me break right here.
Speaker 3:Thank you, lindsay.
Speaker 1:Michelle Stambaugh, I don't know what the hell For letting me break when you cause me Lindsay, michelle, it's serious.
Speaker 3:Thank you for letting me Lindsay.
Speaker 1:But my name is Lindsay Nicole Lindsay.
Speaker 3:I had to let us take a second here, but we're good, we're golden now as far as I don't have to tell you about any more murders but, goodness gracious, we're done with killing yes okay. Well, I'll keep on flying, though, because I'm sure there's some shit. Yeah, we got some more, yeah we got a little bit more.
Speaker 1:So then he made friends with another drifter named Tony Danzy, not Danza. Danza not Danza. Danza, Not Danza. Hold me closer.
Speaker 2:Tony Danza.
Speaker 1:Tiny dancing.
Speaker 3:Tiny dancing. I'm going to put him on my hip.
Speaker 1:Tony Danza. Yes.
Speaker 3:You know what, Lindsay and I love everybody in all sizes I got a dude at work that I'm going to put on my hip and take a picture.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:I'm going to have him come over here.
Speaker 1:See when we rewatch.
Speaker 3:He's so cool. He's fucking cool. He's not like. He's about maybe two or three inches shorter than you, Okay.
Speaker 1:So he's cool. He's not Dinkle's size, though, no no, no, dude's awesome. He's really cool so when we rewatch Game of Thrones every year, I always say come on, Dinkles, Let me put you on my hip, Let me burp you. I love him so much and I am not. Do not cancel me.
Speaker 3:I love little people. We love everybody from everywhere. We don't care, we love little people, I don't care if you're shot, but he's just so adorable and we ain't trying to call him out on anything that I want to hug him and I want to put him.
Speaker 1:Nothing wrong with that. To me, no, no. So he bragged to tony danzy about the bank job when cops pulled up on the two, danny took off running and mr danzy snitched him right, the fuck out get him danzy, thank you danny's campsite contained the ski mask screwdriver and the tape recording thank you, danzy mother.
Speaker 3:Well, sorry, but police did not make the connection. Oh, they didn't. And the tape recording. Thank you, danzy Mother, sir, oh sorry.
Speaker 1:But police did not make the connection. Oh, they didn't even listen to the tapes, the tapes that had his full confession on what he was going to do.
Speaker 3:So Danzing's over there and he's all like tell the children not to walk my way.
Speaker 1:Everything just went into an evidence locker. What, yeah, tell the children not to hear my words.
Speaker 3:Yes, what they mean, what they said. Dan Z Sorry.
Speaker 1:So Gainesville and surrounding areas were of course, at absolute panic state, and most students would not sleep alone.
Speaker 3:The whole fucking town's flipped up right now. Yeah, Lake City would be done. We're all leaving the.
Speaker 1:We were alive during this? I don't, and my dad was an avid news watcher and I had no idea about everybody everybody I talked to about this was like how in the fuck? Don't you know, jesse and I didn't know about this. We didn't know. No well, I've known about it for about two years. My best you're my bestie was flipping me some shit over this I know she was like are you kidding me?
Speaker 3:you don't know about this shit. And then like I'm calling in that area yeah, and one of my buddies. He was supposed to be on here with us but he's he. He got tied up, he couldn't make it tonight. But, um, he's like studying underneath of one of the main prosecutors for this whole thing and he had a lot of yeah, let's get to that we'll bring all that.
Speaker 1:We have a whole, not other story, before we get Danny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. It was just not known to us. I guess we were sheltered.
Speaker 1:We were, yeah, so they were sleeping in large groups and taking shifts for sleeping, and the media, of course, was in a frenzy. And can you guess what this theory led to Satanic panic? What this theory led to satanic panic? Oh, here we go, and so we're blaming the satanic panic and the exorcist part three those were both.
Speaker 3:Oh, that was a new film in 90.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I blame this on um old dumplings myself, so yeah, so tip lines tip lines were being flooded with women blaming their boyfriends or spouses, and and this actually happens a lot. So, men, be nice to your partners, okay, because when a tip line comes up about a murder, they call in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this happens a lot. Well, my husband's been beating the shit out of me and choking me and doing this and that so he could have a whole separate life.
Speaker 1:Yep. Also, a lot of tips were blaming this weird kid who had lived near Tracy Edward Humphreys. He, edward Humphreys, had been kicked out of the nearby apartments for acting crazy. It was found out later on that he was an unmedicated bipolar one patient. Right, the difference between bipolar one and two, according to Google, is that bipolar one patients are full manic and have delusions, and their episodes last longer, versus bipolar two have milder short-term manic episodes and longer depression episodes. Edward was huge and had Joker type scars around his mouth.
Speaker 3:Wow, so much self-incrimination.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not done. So he would tell people that he wanted to join the military so that he could kill without consequence. And this was around the time of Desert Storm, so war was dominant.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:He would tell people that Satan was after him and he would wear special gloves and a sash to repel the dark Lord. There were witnesses at a surf shop that said Edward threatened to cut out the hearts of everyone in the store and he was very troubled, to say the least. And he was also found outside of an air force base running around and chewing on a beer can.
Speaker 2:What the fuck he's shot out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's unmedicated, he's unmedicated.
Speaker 3:He needs to have some eyes on him anyhow. I mean just because, Like I said, he was very strange.
Speaker 1:He said a lot of concerning shit to people and he actually asked a pre-med student who worked at Krispy Kreme if she would take body parts home and skin to play with it. What? And on the night of Sonia Larson and Christina Powell's murders, he was seen huffing gas. He tried to trade baseball caps for food at a Roy Rogers restaurant. Lindsay yes.
Speaker 3:Is that a little toodaloo action going on over there? I think so A little toodaloo yeah.
Speaker 1:It was probably a lot less ingredients than toodaloo. If you don't know what toodaloo is, listen to our very first episode on Corpsewood Manor Some toodaloo.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but if you're huffing gas we're toodalooing, Damn it. He needs help.
Speaker 1:He needs a lot of help he. He then went to a bar and threatened a bouncer who wouldn't let him in because he didn't have an ID, then said a bunch of weird shit to some students as well. He went back to the Krispy Kreme and bothered the medical student again. He was talking about Ted Bundy and how he would like to stalk women with knives. So he's not making himself look very good, not at all. He had called his grandmother upset that he had lost his car and that he would have to drop out of school. I don't know what this meant by lost his car. I don't know if he lost it because he didn't make the payments and it got repoed.
Speaker 3:Dude, where's my car?
Speaker 1:Or if he dude where's my fucking car? And just lost it because he was an unmedicated bipolar.
Speaker 3:So now my little sippy poos are over here kicking in. I unmedicated, you know bipolar, so now my little sippy poos are over here kicking in. I felt like I could have took all of that, what you said earlier, a lot better.
Speaker 1:No, you can't.
Speaker 3:No, either way, I mean well, I mean now it's a little bit better for me, because I'm all like so grandma called the police to do a well check on him.
Speaker 1:When they arrived he said he didn't care about the car anymore because he was going to go to Panama to fight Manuel Noriega, who was a dictator in Panama from 1983 to 1989.
Speaker 4:He was going to go there and be the do-that he was going to liberate some shit.
Speaker 3:So he's just got a plan. He just wants to. I mean, he needs to be looked at.
Speaker 1:Dude wants to kill. He's listening to the voices in his head.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they're not good voices. No, he then started talking about the murders, which, to the cops, meant he might have something to do with it, even though it's what everyone was talking about. Yeah, they did look into him and seen he was not the picture of good mental health. They did look into him and seen he was not the picture of good mental health and unfortunately, after the murders he had a complete breakdown and physically assaulted his grandmother. So he was arrested and became the main suspect for the Ripper murders.
Speaker 3:Who wouldn't? I mean it sucks for him for having the mental issues. It gets better, but he needed to be facilitated a lot more, medicated or something Way more.
Speaker 1:It comes to a better place. But this kid was questioned for a full 24 hours with no legal representation At this time. He was completely manic and was talking about knives and dismemberments and the media got wind of this and, bam, edward was the Gainesville Ripper. But the FBI disagreed. They were looking for more, a Danny Rowling type, not a kid with bipolar, someone who was older and had been physically and sexually abused, someone who was constantly seeking approval and someone who wanted to be known for their crimes.
Speaker 3:This is a tricky ass, slippery slope what a fucking coincidence. I mean honestly every bit of this would have pointed right there, but at the same time, thank you for doing the work right.
Speaker 1:Glad that it did not go the way of the west.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for doing the work on that one, because goodness gracious Lindsay, like slippery slope for sure.
Speaker 1:But since the murders had stopped, since Ed was in jail, it was not looking good for Ed. They only had one more suspect named Stephen Bates, and because he had satanic tattoos and had committed armed robbery with a knife and left satanic writing and some incriminating things were found at his house. But ed seemed to fit the narrative more and they held him with a million dollar bond. So while ed was being held, danny broke into another apartment and ate cookies and oatmeal not Not oatmeal cookies.
Speaker 3:Okay, did he get a banana while he was?
Speaker 1:there. No, he didn't get a banana but, he watched some porno and stole a 1978 Buick Regal A Buick. He then went on down to Tampa, started drinking heavily and smoking crack, crack, crack, crack. He went on another robbing spree and was almost killed by police. While fleeing the scene of a crime, his car was hit by 17 bullets.
Speaker 3:Wow, but the fucker didn't die, he got away, or what Tell me.
Speaker 1:He got away he got away. Like what he got away? What In September he fucked, I know. In September he oh fuck. I know. In September he paid a woman who was an artist to draw his portrait and she liked him enough to invite him to her home.
Speaker 3:I want you to draw me like one of your French girls.
Speaker 1:Stop it when they ate Chinese food and watched Good Morning Vietnam and he didn't do anything to her. What yeah?
Speaker 3:Oh, he had released the demon.
Speaker 1:Gemini the.
Speaker 3:Gemini.
Speaker 1:But he then robbed a house in Tampa and a Winn-Dixie in Ocala, Ocala. Oh, I have to say that all the different podcasters and the book that I listened to the mispronunciations of Alachua and Ocala.
Speaker 3:Alachua.
Speaker 1:It was Alachua, alachua and Ocala and Ocalo, ocala.
Speaker 3:It's showtime at the Ocalo. What dude is just living? He got away.
Speaker 1:Can you let me finish the story.
Speaker 3:I mean I can. I mean I'm just saying he then robbed.
Speaker 1:Like I said, he robbed a house in Tampa and a Winn-Dixie in Ocala and on this day there was a police training day for the Ocala Police Department. When the robbery was reported there was a massive amount of police to respond and when Danny got into another car he had stolen, they were already on the scene. I think this was a Mustang, so there was a high-speed chase. Danny wrecked the car and then started running. He ran into a Dial America building I forgot to look up what that was, but I think it was a telemarketer thing and he was hoping to lose the cops, but they were waiting at the back door. So he was taken down and he finally said yeah, it's me and I'm real sorry you didn't got me, yeah.
Speaker 3:Goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:So back in Gainesville they realized that Ed Humphreys was not their guy. The DNA that was left behind did not match up and I guess Danny had left behind more DNA than he thought.
Speaker 3:And he was also saying that you got me, I'm the guy. No.
Speaker 1:Jesse.
Speaker 3:Like you said.
Speaker 1:You got me for the robbery oh okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3:He has not confessed to the murders yet. He hasn't confessed okay.
Speaker 1:They're not after him for the murders, they're after him for robbing the Wendix team.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, I was tying the two together. I'm paying all the attention right now I am full. Well, he said he got me and I was like, okay, cool.
Speaker 1:No, he was saying that about the robbery for the Winn-Dixie, just the robbery.
Speaker 3:Yes, and this was in Ocala, but he didn't say you got me for all of it, like I'm the dude, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:So Ed was pretty much off the hook, but the judge months in the Chattahoochee Mental Hospital. This ended up being a good thing, because he became regularly medicated and turned his life around. He graduated magna cum laude from the University of Central Florida after working his way up through a community college and a full-time job. So right now the song in my head is Turn around, yeah, every now and then I get a little bit college.
Speaker 3:Okay, oh God, so he can.
Speaker 1:Magnum comlum day, whatever Comlum day so he continued to live his life successfully in Gainesville until he passed away a few years ago. This was Ed. Yeah, ed, ed turned around, so he turned it around, turned it around he got medicated and I and uh I have pictures of when he was first arrested and then when he graduated.
Speaker 3:it looks like a completely different. So person salad right, you're talking about the salad of people and all the shit. A lot of these fuckers are super intelligent. A lot of these serial killers and killers and people that are doing all this wasn't a serial killer, he was just unmedicated bipolar. Well, he wasn't, but I mean target number one for sure, right, Super intelligent, super just.
Speaker 1:Well, that's why we continue to say that mental health awareness is important, because this guy could have went away for a murder that he didn't do because he was bipolar, he was suggestive.
Speaker 3:I mean, they could have talked him right into confessing to something he didn't do Target number one and they just kind of tied in their whole panic shit with it and he would have been done If they wouldn't have found anybody. He was done If they wouldn't have found anybody. I guarantee it.
Speaker 1:Here's where it's all going to come together. A detective in Shreveport gave Gainesville a call because the students' murders were very similar to the Unsolved Grissom family murders. And actually a lady named Cindy Dalvin had called the tip line and said she knew Danny from church 15 years prior. She said Danny used to hang out with her and her husband and one night while drinking, her husband said this guy's got to go Because Danny had told him he liked to stick knives in people. Goodness, he had also told Cindy that one day he wanted to leave Shreveport and move to a place where he could lay in the sun and watch beautiful people. This lady literally saved the fucking day.
Speaker 3:Come on girl.
Speaker 1:So the police compared the murders and for some reason a dentist in Shreveport had kept one of Danny's teeth. It's kind of weird, but okay, I don't know if like, because now I'm like. Okay, I've had a couple of teeth pulled.
Speaker 3:Are they in?
Speaker 1:a little baggie with my name on it.
Speaker 3:In case I commit murder. Do you get money back? I wish they would give me money back if I go to the dentist and get my fucking teeth pulled but the tooth and the dna at the crime scene was a match.
Speaker 1:And since danny was already locked up in ocala, hooray, there it is, we got it all. He was given four life sentences before the murder charges just for his, all his rob, all his other crime without, without murder because he had already raped, break and entering, robbing at gunpoint several times, right, several times. He went on. What was it? What did I mention? Three different crimes for ease.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was all over the place.
Speaker 1:Right. His horrible father said that he hoped Danny fraud for his crimes. Why?
Speaker 3:would he do that? Come on now.
Speaker 1:James, you did this. You did this James.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, he's the one that set up every damn thing Dumplings.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Come on now.
Speaker 1:Now Danny confessed.
Speaker 3:But he was good, like there was no problems with Dumplings. God Fucker, he created this monster.
Speaker 1:Created, I mean built him from birth Full on. So Danny confessed his crimes through a fellow inmate named Bobby Lewis, Not directly, Like he did not go to anyone and say I did this. He told Bobby Lewis everything. Bobby Lewis transferred that information.
Speaker 4:Reconveyed it yeah.
Speaker 1:But Bobby also introduced Danny to Sondra London. But Bobby also introduced Danny to Sondra London. Sondra London was an author who wanted Danny's story to sell some books because she was a true crime author and Sondra and Danny would go on to have a relationship. Oh, how sweet and what's really crazy. This fucking blew my mind. She had also dated another murderer before he even became one.
Speaker 3:She just had him out for him.
Speaker 1:This man's name was Gerard Schaefer Jr and his killer names were Killer Cop Hangman and Butcher of Blind Creek, and we're going to cover him in a little day because I did some side googling and we can cover him. We've got to do that.
Speaker 3:You should have done that next.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't have. I have Bernie already lined up.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay Okay.
Speaker 1:So he was from Wisconsin and committed his murders in Port St Lucy. How cheesy.
Speaker 4:But where?
Speaker 3:was that what?
Speaker 1:else happened in Port St Lucy.
Speaker 3:That was all kind of shit.
Speaker 1:Tyler Hadley.
Speaker 3:Tyler, yeah, tyler, yeah, the Tyler Hadley one Keep on.
Speaker 1:So Danny and Sandra. I've mentioned this a little bit before in the episode, but Danny and Sandra were going to write a book together and I couldn't get that one because it's not on audiobook. But I did listen to A Monster of All Time by JT Hunter and it was really good and informative. Now Danny sang a song to Sandra during one of his sentencing hearings, and you know what? It's not that terrible, just kidding, it's horrible. You want to play it?
Speaker 3:I can. I can Hang on.
Speaker 2:Let me get it pulled up. What the fuck.
Speaker 1:Imagine, though, that you're at this man's fucking sentencing hearing for murdering, murder, murder, murder, murdering, Brutally murdering your fucking child, and you got to hear this fucker sing.
Speaker 3:I don't want to hear this fucker sing.
Speaker 1:No, you need to, I need to.
Speaker 3:You need to, all right. Well, here we go.
Speaker 2:We'll say I have to give Mr Rowling an opportunity to have a say. Do you have anything you want to say, mr Rowling? Well, sir, I'd like to please the court. Could I address the court? Sure, say whatever you want to say. Thank you, I'll be in the time. I recall the day I first saw you. I reached out to say I love you, but it was hard to say, I couldn't touch you. So tell me, baby, what were Mr Rollins, mr Rollins, mr Rollins. Tell me, baby. What were my words? All my tears run together. I got chills. What were my words? All my tears run together, baby, what? Just like rain.
Speaker 1:You're kidding me, and now you've heard the voice of a horrific killer. You're kidding me. And now you've heard the voice of a horrific killer.
Speaker 3:You're kidding me.
Speaker 1:Open court. He does Sing a fucking song, his face does look just like the mask.
Speaker 3:What I know? What, lindsay, I literally imagined his voice sounding just like that, really. Yeah, every bit of that, right there.
Speaker 1:See, it shocks me. I almost threw my phone the first time I heard it.
Speaker 3:This is the first time I've heard this guy's voice the epitome of how this guy had sounded. But the face, I know, was so ghostly. Oh my God, y'all have to check that shit out, goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:I love it on the Morbid Girls. When they did the coverage on it they called it Danny Rowling. Has spoopy, droopy eyes.
Speaker 3:They're droopy. It looks just like the damn ghost face. Drip, drop. So how does this tie in with ghost faces?
Speaker 1:Okay, so the screenwriter I forgot to Google his name. I'm so sorry, y', but it's. It's an easy google search. I just didn't write it my note so it's not on the top of my head. He saw the news articles or the news coverage on this, read articles and everything and wrote, sat down and wrote the whole screenplay all screenplay for screen based around this yes and I guarantee when he's seen his face fucking slasher. When he's seen his face, he's a fucking slasher.
Speaker 3:He's seen his face.
Speaker 1:And in the first one go back and there is a lot of references, that will be like holy shit, Okay.
Speaker 3:All that ties together. You know what you were at work. The other day I watched the original Scream movie.
Speaker 1:Remember how Casey's guts were hanging out inside for shock value for her parents.
Speaker 3:Right, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Casey yeah, she was the first one to die.
Speaker 3:Oh, my goodness, and you know I remember watching that.
Speaker 1:When did that come out? 96, 97? That shocked me that Drew Barrymore had such a small role.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I didn. That. Shocked me that drew barrymore had such a small role. Yeah, because I didn't know any of the other actors at that time. Now they're like dna.
Speaker 3:Yeah, every one of them, yeah and uh so our but drew barrymore at that time was like fucking huge. Could you imagine now like if we had went to that con and handed him our card and been like we covered fucking danny rolling, they would have took that shit. They would have been. I was in the fucking movie, but I want to check y'all out. I mean, oh, my goodness, dude.
Speaker 1:And this story his face is fucking it is now because of podcasters, because podcasters are fucking wonderful, but this case was not very popular.
Speaker 3:It's insane, though.
Speaker 1:We didn't know about it.
Speaker 3:I pictured his voice and him sounding just like this, but his face. I'm still shocked right now right shocked.
Speaker 1:So guess who danny's lawyer was who tell me? Who was eileen warner's lawyer the same fucking legal steven glazer no, really who's the one that called Dr Ligo During the murder sentencing, and all Because I'm telling you this guy was after. I'm telling you from the documentary that I watched Nick Brunfield's documentary that I watched on Eileen Wuornos this guy was at one of these fucking people to confess because he made money off this shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was following unsolved. He was selling his stories. There was no way you could defend money off this shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was following unsolved. There was no way you could defend any of this shit. So I believe that he was just, you know, talking them into confessing so that he could make his cash cow.
Speaker 3:He's following a trail full of and like in Eileen Wardow's.
Speaker 1:They literally called him an agent.
Speaker 3:He's just.
Speaker 1:Arlene Eileen's buddy.
Speaker 3:She literally called him in the documentary their agent, so yeah, yeah, so it's just a fame gathering, fame gathering he's gonna, he's gonna, he's gonna hop on the nearest fucking famous thing right. That way he gets fame back and there's no fucking way that you can defend it well, and nick broomfield like called him out on that shit yeah yeah, like nick broomfield even had to, like he was subpoenaed to court over that shit I will.
Speaker 3:I will take you pro bono, because I'm this is the whole documentary what'd you say on the last, on that, on that one with eileen? You were like uh, this is like a five joint trip, I think it was like seven, seven, seven joint, yeah, this is seven joint venture. Man, I'm gonna get down here and I'm gonna offend her.
Speaker 1:Oh, he was such a hippie, she'll be out bro she's not even a cool hippie. No way bro.
Speaker 3:No way, Dr Legal man Got her, Got him too man, no problem man.
Speaker 1:Danny pled guilty to all the murders and was sentenced to death by lethal injection, even though he thought pleading would get him life. Yeah, no fucking way, dude you don't no See, that's you.
Speaker 3:Don't no See, that's where I come in.
Speaker 1:He was on death row a long time. Oh, he was yeah well so he was arrested for these crimes in 1990. And then oh, let me finish. So his last meal was lobster tail with melted butter, of course. Butterfly shrimp, baked potato, strawberry cheesecake and sweet tea. Butterfly shrimp, baked potato, strawberry cheesecake and sweet tea. His last words were three minutes of him singing a hymn in October 25, 2006. 2006.
Speaker 3:He was arrested in 1990., he was put to death by lethal injection. I paid taxes that long for that 16 years. Sorry to be like that, but I paid taxes that long for that. How do you feel about that? I don't like it. I want to know what our listeners feel about that.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, our boys were in jail for 18 years 18 for that one. Yeah, and if they had been sped up, damien Echols would no longer be with us.
Speaker 3:They would have been gone and he would not be doing the good doing the work, I get it.
Speaker 1:Your West Memphis 3 story, I get it that one's always right there on my heart and there's more on that.
Speaker 3:There's new on that too.
Speaker 1:I want to meet him. So bad. Damien Echols, please hear this. I want to meet you and Lori. We don't even have to talk about your case.
Speaker 3:I feel like for true crime, that's a staple. It is.
Speaker 1:That's a staple conversation, lori, you are a badass bitch for doing everything that you did to get those boys out of there. You worked your ass off for nine years.
Speaker 3:Well, and kudos too to the prosecution on this deal too, because they had somebody to the rights to begin with Well.
Speaker 1:thank you, cindy. What was her name?
Speaker 3:Cindy Dalvin, if the rides to begin with, thank you cindy.
Speaker 1:What was her name? Cindy dolvin she. If it hadn't been for her tip, I don't think they would have ever connected. It would have been yeah, I mean, and the shreveport guys were the ones that were called up gainsville hey, the tooth fairy and there absolutely was, because those were a year prior and were still unsolved.
Speaker 3:Right. So, and so they were still digging over there.
Speaker 1:Thank you, shreveport. Thank you, cindy Dalvin.
Speaker 3:Yes, Everybody did the work. But when you have them dead, to rights Now with West Memphis Three, that was just all just talk, like literally they put them guys in prison, them children in prison.
Speaker 1:For nothing, for nothing.
Speaker 3:For nothing.
Speaker 1:For wearing black and having and liking Metallica.
Speaker 3:They didn't have anything on. It was all circumstantial Every bit of that. So what a big difference though Right, you know this guy was dead to rights Well, and the reason why I wanted to do Danny right after Eileen, because this all happened around the same time. All those so.
Speaker 1:Florida was. There was some shit going on here.
Speaker 4:And we were oblivious to it. 80s and 90s, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Eileen's was in 89, and then all these were in 90. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Goodness, gracious Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Had the same goddamn lawyer.
Speaker 3:I'm glad Hell Powders has brought me to where I'm at right now. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Hell Powders for getting us through this case. We're getting Jesse through this case. I'm drinking all these. I'm tagging.
Speaker 3:Hell Powders in this one, yes, because we've had some great.
Speaker 1:The charcuteries are fire there, we don't even know what's on the plate, we just ate it and it was good.
Speaker 3:You remember we did the brunch shit over there we have.
Speaker 1:We've got to go back. Yeah, we have to work on. Sunday, so they well it's hard for me to take off a Sunday, cause I make a lot of money and then we go to Hal Patters and spend a lot of money. So it's like it's hard for me to take off a day my biggest money day of the week to go spend a lot of money. But we're going to do it.
Speaker 3:We gonna do it, we gotta do it. I'll put a vacation day aside just to go to brunch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's worth because we haven't been in two years. Take a vacation. Yeah, we haven't been in a while. It's been a while, so I want to play some music.
Speaker 3:What band are we plugging today before we play a band? I just got to do something for you because you have been phenomenal thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you taking a bow, taking a bow.
Speaker 3:Two parter. This shit was crazy. It was crazy to me.
Speaker 1:Do you want me to high five you? Yeah, high five on this one. I don't know.
Speaker 3:I'm Well, I'm, yeah, I'm broke down.
Speaker 1:I have had nothing but Danny Rowling.
Speaker 3:You know what really pissed me off? On my head for, like, it's been a month Of researching, so I'm I head for like it's been a month of researching so I'm over it. The george mike, I know it's ruined fucking gotta have faith I'm just gonna go and fire and I'm not.
Speaker 1:He's not calloused, yet I can still listen to george michael and fuck danny rowley I'm not gonna tell you, I'm not gonna tell you okay, see you, then I can't get away.
Speaker 4:You hold like rafters. You're in the dark. Our light is red. I know you're white. I'm losing faith in you. Who's inside of you? I can't believe that you wasted this time.
Speaker 4:I am fucking high. I'm a dirty talk shit. Yeah, I'm trying to put it in time. You speak it with salt and mist. You just let me drive. You see my feet, my body. You can't hide. You can't hide. Gotta check it out. You're fucking high. I'm a dirty talk shit. I'm a dirty talk shit. I hit the 95, now drag it out to a fucking high, psychic, vampire dreaming world. This, right here, is where you are wrong. This right here, is why you are wrong. I'm right here because you enjoy. You don't care to get dropped in the room. I'm losing sight of you. I can't believe that you missed it this time in my life. Hey, look at me and I need this best of you. Count it my mind. I'm like one fucking man and this is your life. I love you. Yeah, guitar solo. I can't believe that you're wasting my time and I'm being this and this. It's the real you. You can't deny you wasted my time. This rocket Is where you will roll.
Speaker 1:Bitches can't sit down. Take your drink, go on, go on. Oh my fucking God, what do you think? That's the dev.
Speaker 3:This is the dev.
Speaker 1:Thank you First of all. I've been begging for the Dev, but wow, I know. Wow. Is that with Nicolaj or the new singer?
Speaker 3:The new singer Bad ass fucking song.
Speaker 1:I had chills, I was headbanging.
Speaker 3:The Dev Draining.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Lives Draining headbanging. The Dev.
Speaker 1:Draining, lives Draining lives.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but Lindsay, I think I already followed them, but I'm going to follow them under our joints, lindsay. They broke up in December, ugh.
Speaker 1:But listen, that's okay, that's okay, they still have music on Spotify.
Speaker 3:They do. Go listen to it, go check out the Dev.
Speaker 1:Or whatever music app that you listen to.
Speaker 3:But who knows, who knows what could happen with bands and stuff. So whatever stuff may have happened, whatever you know, Can I still tag them next week?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to tag them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the dev has just been a thing for Lindsay and I for a long time and we just love the dev and whatever endeavors the dev may have. Yes, we're about it.
Speaker 1:so oh, I see on their bio it says thank you and goodbye. I'm sad, but still listen, guys, because they have great music. Um, any show that jesse has played with them has been absolutely, stellar, stellar, absolutely. So I'm telling you, listen to their music. It doesn't matter they may come back With them. Has been absolutely stellar, stellar, absolutely. So I'm telling you, listen to their music, it doesn't matter they may come back around. Give them a listen period. Still follow them.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Show them that we're creating new fans and they need to keep going. And I'm friends with a few of the old members, chris. I talked to Chris and he was just like, yeah, you can play us, but we broke up in December.
Speaker 1:I'm like crying dude RIP, but I had to play them. I don't care. I've been begging for him to play them. It doesn't have to be an active band.
Speaker 3:They've been on my list for like and who knows what may happen. You know who knows what may happen. I could turn around and have something reform with whatever I have.
Speaker 1:Which Shadow of away, but when shatter the earth too, when ste and the dev played dude.
Speaker 3:We had a fire ass ball and bomb ass time. So anybody from the dev if you do hear us, thank you for creating thank you for your art, for your music. We love whatever past present members, whatever, thank you you. You put this out in the world. You know and it's your legacy. Either way, you might even hate each other. I don't care if you hate each other or not.
Speaker 1:No, you make great music, I don't care. Yes, that song is fire.
Speaker 4:I hate that you have struggles problems.
Speaker 3:Whatever may happen, Dev is fire and thank you.
Speaker 1:And we have enjoyed our time with you guys. Yes, yes, for sure, and we'll see Chris and everybody else down the road, I'm sure. So their previous singer, a little girl crush, and we danced together one night and I loved it. I danced with a girl and I liked it and we all hung out like um, she's fire.
Speaker 3:We were in orlando and we played a show together fucking cool. All the, all the badass talent she's doing other stuff too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, she is.
Speaker 3:So it's awesome.
Speaker 1:We've got to follow her new stuff.
Speaker 3:Just keep on making music. If you have it in, you get it out, get it out, and this is Lindsay's Get it Out. And I thank you and I'm so fortunate to be part of your Get it Out. Thank you, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Thank you, sir, for doing all of your input. I mean, he does all the technical stuff. I have nothing to do with it. I write the script and I research the case, which can be horrific. We're having such a great time doing this, but we are having a great time.
Speaker 3:I'm getting addicted, you know, and it's worth it and I love it. It's so awesome.
Speaker 1:It's an addiction that will never go away.
Speaker 3:No, it won't.
Speaker 1:And it'll. I mean, and honestly I really appreciate men who are either on a pod with their wife because I found a few more couples that do this or men that do it, just them, because now I know that they're aware of all the bad that has been put on this earth by men.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're opening my eyes, you know, yeah, and we found what women too, and it's why lair, right lair.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's a bunch of women out there, but it's also just a eye opening to the evil that is out there. We didn't have to be afraid of the imaginary monster in our fucking closet, but we should have been afraid of the fucker next door, like Danny Rowling, just as Rambo teaching me his songs and well, not me personally, but teaching kids songs and how to lift weights.
Speaker 3:So, before we finish this thing off, what made you feel old? My knees, your knees, mine too.
Speaker 1:Because I started going back to the Stairmaster at the gym Like I work out at home every day or Monday through Friday, and I was like I need to tighten up my legs and we've got Rockville coming soon, yeah, and I want to have the legs straight.
Speaker 3:I need to start walking again too, because you've got toville coming soon, yeah, and I want to have the leg strength I need to start walking again too, because you've got to be prepared, prepared, yeah.
Speaker 1:So my knees, this knee, hurts really bad right now.
Speaker 3:Dude, I woke up the other morning and had to stand and hold myself up and get my knee to working 43.
Speaker 1:42 and 43. Your knees hurt your knees, your knees, your knees, your 42 and 43, your knees hurt your knees, your knees, your knees, your knees, and what's fucking I don't understand is I'm taking all the vitamins and you're not. But I'm taking all. Well, you are.
Speaker 4:I am you are.
Speaker 3:You've got your, I am.
Speaker 4:I got my whole.
Speaker 3:It's a whole group of vitamin shit for dudes Like I am.
Speaker 1:Is there collagen in there?
Speaker 3:It's all in there, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm doing. We just need to continue that. I'm doing great because that helps with your joints, lindsey, I'm, I'm, I'm keeping up. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So that's what we made, honestly that. Are we just gonna lean on that shit our knees forever, or we gotta pick out something.
Speaker 1:it could be a whole new element. My knees ain't bothered me till this week, because I guess I'm building up more strength for those stairs. There you go, yeah.
Speaker 3:I need to start walking more. I only have a chance during lunch break really. But yeah, we got to get Rockville ready, rockville ready. That was a fucking hell of a story, lancey. I know, have I ruined you? Yeah, a fucking hell of a story, lancy. I know, have I ruined you. Yeah, I mean I can wait until next week. I mean we can do another one.
Speaker 1:It's going to be a little more lighthearted. It's still going to have murder, but it's a light, it's a more lighthearted tale. It's nothing. Nothing Compared to Danny Rowling.
Speaker 3:But next time you're fucking telling me to pregame before I fucking hook this shit up so, bernie, you'll be all right.
Speaker 1:Um, bernie teed, by the way, um, I looked up the proper pronunciation. If you listen to our eileen warnos or no, it was our wednesday recap yeah, wednesday yeah, um, I pronounced his name all kinds of wrong, but it's bernie teed, um, so after bernie teed you will need to pregame for quite a few episodes after that.
Speaker 3:So you're like, hey, you need to sippy poo before we talk.
Speaker 1:I know I meant to tell you about Henry Zebrowski's recommendation of drinking whiskey and meats.
Speaker 3:You're over there tripping, I'm over here sipping. I mean, you're doing your stuff over here You're sipping. I'm trying to tie one on though, because damn, I'm empty right now and I did half and half. Okay, we will say, there was a good four or five shots probably in that.
Speaker 1:But she didn't drink a whiskey neat.
Speaker 3:So that's what I should have done.
Speaker 1:Yes, I should have told you that beforehand. I should have been like hey, henry said drink whiskey neat.
Speaker 3:Henry said. Henry said From. Last podcast on the left oh.
Speaker 1:Henry is the Braski, he is the. And you were telling me Well, they're all funny, but he is.
Speaker 3:You were telling me this was a gold star episode. Yeah, they call it a gold star Talking about this one Gold star killing.
Speaker 4:Gold Gold Star.
Speaker 1:Killings.
Speaker 3:So this is our Gold Star Serial Killings. Yeah, I've been listening to them for years. They're one of my first true crime podcasts ever listened to, along with Sword and Scale Well you and I have traveled a little bit and listened to some of that and you got so much more time in, but this has just been. This was a tough one for me. Yeah, setting up and doing it. Well, I'm getting you callous because there's going to be a worse one I had his, had his voice down.
Speaker 3:I had his voice wild. I was shocked. I had no idea the face that it really does look like the scream face. So do check out any videos everybody on danny rolling and see that let us know what you think about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I watched them all and let us know what you thought about his voice if you had it nailed to.
Speaker 3:I had that voice nailed down. It was uncanny insane really, I thought that was what I pictured.
Speaker 1:Wow, but the face, though, threw you completely off. All of it threw me off. I'm like huh.
Speaker 3:What the droopy eyes.
Speaker 1:I mean, it looked just like it and, honestly, if it hadn't have been because I for a long time listening, I wouldn't look up the person until it just dawned on me way later on. But now I'm looking it up as I'm listening to put a face with the story.
Speaker 3:This is the whole thing behind you, deep diving on every little thing and getting all the information on everything you like to look up. You're like I need to know right now. I got to know more. I got to know it all. I understand now I completely understand it.
Speaker 1:And I'm. I mean it's. There's usually documentaries related to all these cases, but I don't have. I already use all of my free time to sit down and write this shit out, so I prefer to listen to all my information. But I have put the headphones in, played a documentary on my phone and just listen to it in my head and then just look at the screen here and there. Yeah, because you do find a lot more information in the documentaries. Right, and like the west memphis three one it.
Speaker 3:It fucking broke me, but uh, yeah I still feel like that's like your staple thing and the documentary is just seeing those boys and however, everybody, even eddie vetter, yeah and dan uh, henry rollins got a new thing, he's got a new thing, so check out. We need to check that out here in a little bit okay henry rollins has got a new thing about some stuff. Yeah, yeah, we got to check that out. Okay, yeah, a little bit. Henry Rollins has got a new thing about some stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we got to check that out, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's got some history and some stuff that he's talking about. I think it's on Netflix, but he's got a TV show now.
Speaker 1:By the way, if you are sheltered or young and do not know of the case of West Memphis 3, we do have a three-parter on it in our little catalog. West Memphis three we do have a three-parter on it in our little catalog and I'm very passionate about it and I will not stop being passionate about it ever. But I really hope that they can get that evidence tested. I hope that somewhere somebody is going to allow it, because right now Arkansas has said nope.
Speaker 3:Fuck you Arkansas. Fuck you Arkansas, we love our you Arkansas. Fuck you, arkansas, we love our listeners in Arkansas.
Speaker 1:If you live in Arkansas, you're probably just as mad. Prude disclaimer.
Speaker 3:But we're finding cool new listeners everywhere though we're building. I love it, so thank you guys so much.
Speaker 1:Share us. Yeah, Tell your friends your mother.
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Speaker 3:I guess we gotta do it, but I don't wanna do it. I guess everybody else does it but I don't wanna do that Subscribe. Thank you guys so much. No, we just want some fucking real ass.
Speaker 1:Cool people and some feedback and reach out to us with all the feedback.
Speaker 3:We'll take it all, but we will see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:And I'm excited and it's going to be a little bit lighter.
Speaker 1:Yes, a little bit lighter For Bernie T.
Speaker 3:But you need to hear it, so we'll see you guys next Friday. Bye.
