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EPISODE 20: Team Bernie?
In this gripping episode, we plunge into the murky waters of the Bernie Tita case, a true crime that intertwines kindness and betrayal. Bernie was once a beloved mortician in Carthage, Texas, whose warm heart and good deeds earned him the town’s admiration. However, beneath this genial façade lies a complicated story of entitlement, control, and ultimate tragedy involving the wealthy widow Marjorie Nugent. Together, they embarked on a tumultuous journey, overshadowed by a chilling event where Bernie snapped and shot Marjorie, an act that would redefine his life forever.
As we explore the dramatic events leading to Marjorie's tragic end, we also navigate community reactions that unveil conflicting emotions—while many were horrified by the murder, others couldn’t reconcile the act with the image of the caring Bernie they knew. This episode raises profound ethical questions about empathy, morality, and the human condition: can one sympathize with a murderer? The complexities are layered, and we invite listeners to reflect on the dichotomy of good versus evil, how past trauma manifests in actions, and whether forgiveness can ever come into play.
Join us for a candid discussion as we unravel Bernie’s psyche and ask whether he truly became the villain or merely succumbed to circumstance. By the end of the episode, you'll be left pondering challenging questions regarding humanity, violence, and the shades of morality. Don't forget to subscribe and share your thoughts with us! Your feedback is invaluable as we delve into more stories that reveal the multilayered nature of life.
Hey, Jesse.
Speaker 2:Hello Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Are you saying that like Hannibal, because you were wearing him on your shirt today? Oh, hello Lindsay. Hello Clarice, hello Clarice, that's what his shirt has. Hello, clarice, I'm wearing Pink Floyd because we were jamming to some Pink Floyd.
Speaker 3:Happy Friday, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Happy Friday, hello. What are you drinking today?
Speaker 3:Can you hear the lambs? Can you hear the lambs, Lindsay?
Speaker 1:Nope, they're silenced.
Speaker 3:They're silenced. I'm drinking more Halpiders. I had to get it. I had to get it. The apple pie Rattle, rattle. It's so good to me and I love it so much. What are you drinking?
Speaker 1:I am on Blackberry Bam-ba-lam. Hell yeah, white Claw.
Speaker 2:Bam-ba-lam, lindsey, I'm on number five.
Speaker 3:You know what I did. You know what I did. I snuck and got me a Bam-ba-lam from the convenience store for band practice and I said I wanted me a white claw blackberry band one.
Speaker 1:You found one at a convenience store in a tall boy.
Speaker 3:Yeah it was a big one, big old, good one.
Speaker 1:Nice, because usually I can only find, like watermelon or ruby, grapefruit.
Speaker 3:It was good, I sucked it up. I was like I don't care, I'm going to drink this Ruby red grapefruit. Lindsey won't let me have them, but she will. Lindsay won't let me have them, but she will but still.
Speaker 1:I don't drink them because I save them for yourself. I do. I let you talk them on your show, because you're the liquor guy, I'm the seltzer girl.
Speaker 3:Well, okay, okay, okay, okay. What were we checking to a minute ago? What was that? We were mic checking.
Speaker 1:Chumbawumba.
Speaker 3:Chumbawumba.
Speaker 1:Was it Chumbaw? Nope, that's what we talked about on the recap.
Speaker 3:We were saying something British. What was it? Bottle of water, bottle of water, bottle of water. Oh, you don't put the ta in there. Bottle of water Bottle, that's Liverpool style. Yes, so we're learning the difference. So I think London is bottle of water.
Speaker 1:And Liverpool is bottle of water.
Speaker 3:Bottle of water E by gum from my Liverpool guys E-Buy Gum they're from Liverpool.
Speaker 1:Have we shared that story yet?
Speaker 3:We have not.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we're at Rockville 20-something and we thought Wait a minute Yorkshire. Yorkshire, yorkshire.
Speaker 3:That's what it was. We're getting it right now. We're getting it right. Yorkshire, our Yorkshire fans yes.
Speaker 1:Check this, we're getting it right. Yorkshire, our yorkshire fans yes, check this out. Lindsey's got a story. So we think we are at the stage for butcher babies. But it was actually asking alexandria and we were up front, so we're like, okay, we're not gonna move, we're gonna check out, asking alexandria. And this lady was next to us, she was older, with her son, she was probably in her 50s and this bitch had a never-ending cigarette blood alcohol content of 9.9 yes, never-ending cigarette.
Speaker 1:It was like wendy on fucking the shining, just continuous cigarette I loved it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was great so she was so awesome.
Speaker 1:She was like when they come on stage, you gotta say e by gum. You gotta say e by gum and they'll come down and talk to us, because they're yorkshire boys and we like okay, we had no idea what the fuck she's yelling it like yes, yeah, let me, let me, let me see if I can do it right.
Speaker 3:A by gum, a by gum. She's yelling like the whole concert.
Speaker 1:We were kind of new to asking alexandria and we had no idea what she was talking about. So later on we realized that she was saying oh my God, oh my God, from yes, from their song. What is it? The last episode? The final episode?
Speaker 3:I mean, of course, in that song they yeah, In the final episode they play it yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh my God.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's my favorite song. Oh my God, yeah, and it's my favorite song.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's like oh, my God, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's very good, it's very good.
Speaker 1:And they did it Like. We've seen Asking Alexandria three times now and they didn't do it the first two times, but they did it at Louder Than Life because Danny's vocals had recovered. Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3:Even when we seen him the first time, he was all like eh, eh, eh.
Speaker 1:Yes, he was holding back. I'm doing the best I can. He was singing his higher, his more melodic songs.
Speaker 3:He's like I'm doing the best I can, guys, yeah, and I get that. Being a performer and you're having to play like 30 shows in a row every day, that's tough. You got to have that stamina and you know people are just built different when it comes to that. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:Danny Worsnop yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, he moved to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 3:And I talked to him about his studio stuff and sharing music back and forth and he's like, yeah, you can come over and record with us. And he gave me a price and I was like I'm not signed though. I'm not signed bro, I'm not signed.
Speaker 1:I'm not ready already. We are not in that tax bracket, I'm not. I'm not already ready. But thank you, danny but yeah, it was cool talking to him a little bit about but the louder than life show I was so excited for because I just knew I was like they're gonna play the final episode. And they fucking did and I blew up you did, period, you did.
Speaker 3:you should see her face when she gets all lit up at a concert Yours too.
Speaker 1:It's our happy place.
Speaker 3:I know you will never see us. She does that open mouth like looking around.
Speaker 1:You will never see either one of us happier than you will at a festival concert period, point blank.
Speaker 3:I watched Lindsay in a mosh pit one time.
Speaker 1:I danced on the devil's dance floor.
Speaker 3:The devil's dance floor. Thank you, flog and Molly, very good.
Speaker 1:I have a video of you from Louder Than Life, flog and Molly, and it was so adorable. You were so happy you were starting mosh pits.
Speaker 3:You were just Best wishes to the singer right now.
Speaker 1:With your little backpack. I know Dave King, please get better. Come back, dave, we need you, we were literally looking for shows Because I wanted a salty dog cruise and I never did get it. Oh, he's going to be fine, he's going to be fine.
Speaker 3:He's going to be fine.
Speaker 1:We're putting that out there.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:With our powers combined, mr King.
Speaker 3:Dave King will be album. Shit, we're ready love all the flogging molly.
Speaker 1:That stuff is just I'm geeking, so I'm gonna let you fly, lindsey, I'm just going. Well, I want to say, if you're new here, this is episode 20, 20 and what we do is 20, yay, yay.
Speaker 3:And we broke 500 downloads too, isn't? That awesome, yes, so we have a drink, it cuts off so fast.
Speaker 1:We have a drink, we talk about true crime and we plug a band that we're digging and we think that you should listen to as well, and 99% of it I know nothing. So yeah, jesse knows nothing. This is a. It's also an absolute, true, natural organic reaction.
Speaker 3:She won't let me.
Speaker 1:Jesse has no idea.
Speaker 3:Some of this stuff I know a little bit about.
Speaker 1:With Eileen. You knew of her, but you didn't know the details.
Speaker 3:I watched the movie.
Speaker 1:Even if he knows the case, he doesn't know what I know about the case.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so go ahead and do that intro. Happy Friday. Happy Friday everybody. I'm so excited. I really am. I'm flipping excited right now. Oh, it's bumping. Good, here we go. You know, I listen to this in my car. It sounds so good. I do. I do Like I'll be driving down the road and I'm just like I just want to play their intro song. I'm like boom, boom, boom. I'm on my way to Burger King.
Speaker 1:Well, what made you feel old this week?
Speaker 3:I was just looking at myself. I felt old. I really did. And I got sunburned because I was doing like the damn tanning and shit we're in the tanning bed so I hurt everywhere. And then I walked around the lake and I did my little weight so my arms were hurting. I mean, I guess that was all brought up on myself. I probably look old because I was all sunburned.
Speaker 1:I don't know. You say I look good, though you do, you're beautiful.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what about you? I got a little frog today.
Speaker 1:So it's my knees still, but it's predominantly my left knee I have it was my left knee. I'm doing the stairs again.
Speaker 3:My name's Lindsey and this is my left knee.
Speaker 1:My left knee named Lindsey.
Speaker 3:Her knees. Any of her elements are named Lindsay also.
Speaker 1:Just saying but my left knee is being rebellious, and it's funny because I have a group chat with two of my besties, and one of my other besties is also her left knee. Her left knee, her left knee, is killing her too.
Speaker 3:So yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:And she is about five years younger than us.
Speaker 3:It's good that we can laugh about it, though, because you don't want to be like I'm just downtrodden, we're old, just cut up.
Speaker 1:That's the whole thing about hanging out, but we're trying to be healthy, we're taking the supplements, we're doing good.
Speaker 3:I think we look amazing for 40 plus.
Speaker 1:Millennial babies hit different man Well Gen X and millennials, we're doing good.
Speaker 3:Gen X does look good. Still Wow, gen X kudos.
Speaker 1:I follow quite a bit of Gen Xers on TikTok. They're making moves too.
Speaker 3:They're finally like they can hold shit and make shit happen.
Speaker 1:Late 70s, early 80s babies, or all 80s babies. We are aging like fine wine, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:And I think that's also because we're not succumbing to looking old before our time.
Speaker 3:Speaking of aging, how Patters is thinking about making a bourbon. They are making a whiskey and I'm loving how, patters, if you're around the Lake City area, I was actually disappointed that you didn't bring.
Speaker 1:Oh, you still got some of the rum up there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I didn't drink it all. That shit was good. I wanted another switch. I didn't drink it all. Okay, we'll do Bouchati later.
Speaker 1:Okay, bouchati, fly, though I'm gonna let you fly. Well, I just wanted to um say one thing that was going on in the world, but I forgot about it because I didn't make a move thing that's going on in the world.
Speaker 3:You don't know, you don't remember. You're not getting old, are you? Yeah, it's completely.
Speaker 1:I didn't write it down, so fuck it all right. So we are drinking about, uh, bernie tita today and his companion Marjorie Nugent, so let's get started.
Speaker 3:Hey, here we go. I'm in the hot seat, here we go.
Speaker 1:So a few years back, we had just purchased the Peacock streaming app, so I could have endless access to the office and parks, and recreation. I love Peacock. Yes, by the way.
Speaker 3:Yes, I love it, I do.
Speaker 1:And then we also watch Brooklyn Nine-Nine and all of our SNL shits on there.
Speaker 3:And the 50th anniversary.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was just tripping about a couple weeks ago, last week, last week yeah, god. So I was checking out some of the other stuff and came across a movie named Bernie that starred Jack Black, shirley MacLaine, who plays Weezer Boudreaux in Steel Magnolias, weezer, weezer, it's all gonna hit Weezer and Matthew McConaughey.
Speaker 3:Honestly, Lindsay, we really connected over Steel Magnolias.
Speaker 1:Steel Magnolias is the shit. I think I earned five cool points on Steel Magnolias yeah when I was like, oh my God, this dude will watch Steel Magnolias with me, okay.
Speaker 3:And I knew, like all of it, I love it.
Speaker 1:It's a good movie. Why do I?
Speaker 3:love chick flicks and musicals so much, it's okay.
Speaker 1:It's alright, because you are a music person.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So you have a little bit and you're not like completely misogynist where you're like I'm not going to watch that, that's a chick flick, I mean dudes that watch chick flicks get closer to their chicks. Exactly.
Speaker 2:So, it's a good thing. Maybe I'm just smart like that, mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Does that sound conceited?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know if you guys heard, because Jesse was talking about it and Matthew McConaughey is also in lot, but Matthew McConaughey has done amazing films.
Speaker 3:When he was playing that part, he came up with that on his own. He was just like how is this persona of this guy in this movie? How am I going to be like? He's going to be like, all right, all right, all right, all right, and that's how he stuck with his whole character. That's really cool.
Speaker 1:So what's your favorite Matthew McConaughey movie?
Speaker 3:It's probably. Oh God, what was the treasure? One that they did?
Speaker 1:Fool's Gold.
Speaker 3:Fool's Gold. I like that one a lot.
Speaker 1:So mine is hands down a Time to Kill.
Speaker 3:Time to Kill.
Speaker 1:Hands fucking down. There's no other performance that he has ever done that can top that for me okay now I've watched all his movies. I love him, but that one can't beat it time to kill he what you remember, that right with samuel l jackson and samuel bullock. Motherfucking jackson, yeah do you remember it? Time to Kill yeah. What's it about?
Speaker 3:It's about a time to kill. Oh my God, you don't know it you asshole, what Jesus Anyway.
Speaker 1:So I will watch anything with Jack Black and the other two were just a bonus and I was riveted okay, riveted. I also realized it was a real true crime story and, after doing research, it is extremely accurate as to what actually happened.
Speaker 3:Really Well, that's good. Extremely accurate.
Speaker 1:They did it Perfect. So Bernie Tito was born Bernhard Tito II on August 2, 1958. Tita II on August 2nd 1958. His father, bernie, was an immigrant from the Ukraine and had become a musical. I don't know why I say the.
Speaker 3:Ukraine, it's just Ukraine, just Ukraine.
Speaker 1:I know. I was hoping his daddy would be called.
Speaker 3:Dale Bernhardt. Oh, my God Hold on Wait, wait, I got one.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I got one of those buttons, so he was a music professor.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, lindsay, I gotta let it sink in. I just I gotta let it sink, just because I know you're fixing to throw me some shit here in just a second. You really are. You put me in these spots and I'm just like Well, if you'll let me talk, sir, I'm not callous.
Speaker 1:This is a unique case. You're not going to be as hard.
Speaker 3:It's not going to be as hard on you. I won't shut my mouth. I promise Y'all go, go.
Speaker 1:So Big Bernie, like I was saying, was a music professor and choral director at Our Lady of the Lake College in San Antonio, texas. His mother's name was Layla Mae Jester and her and Bernie Sr were married in 1957 and then Bernie Jr was born the very next year in Abilene. Unfortunately, layla was killed in a car accident when Bernie was just two years old Elder. Bernie had been driving and never forgave himself and started drinking very heavily after her death. But he did remarry in 1963. And he also passed away when Bernie Jr was only 15 years old.
Speaker 1:Bernie's stepmother and grandmother, I guess, both finished raising him and he went on to be a mortician and assistant funeral director in Carthage, texas, at the Hawthorne Funeral Home. In high school he had worked for a funeral home to help support a different funeral home, to help support the family, and would take his friends for joy rides in the hearse. He was a popular guy, so everyone in town loved Bernie. He was very involved in the community and anytime someone lost a family member, not only was he in charge of the services, he made it his duty to frequently check on the surviving family, so he seemed like a stand-up guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me continue, though. Oh yeah, he's a very stand-up guy, he's a stand-up guy.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, cool, but I'm about to go on very deeply into how much he was loved. So he would help people with their taxes and he loved to give gifts. In fact, the UPS truck was at his house daily with things that he would buy for his community. Now, this was before Amazon, so he was he was definitely catalog shopping for UPS to be there all the time, cause there was no Amazon back then. He was always there for anyone to have a nice talk and he was the kind of guy who just made you feel great about yourself and life in general after I have spoken with him. And this man had some pipes and I'm sure that that's why they chose Jack Black to play him, because he was singing.
Speaker 1:He could sing. He could sing Because Jack Black, we know, is not a very tall man, but, bernie, was actually like your height. Oh yeah, like 6'3"-ish yeah, I can't believe I want to watch this show I know, I've already tried to let you watch it with me before and guess what happened.
Speaker 3:I fell asleep on Jacqueline Blacklin.
Speaker 1:Jacqueline Blacklin Is it over with yet.
Speaker 3:Can, can we go to bed?
Speaker 1:So he would sing at church as well as the funeral services. Now, the movie is kind of documentary style and the actual townspeople are in it, and I wrote this before I did a little bit more deep dive. I don't know if it was actual townspeople in it or they just had people that said the townspeople's quotes, because boy are they funny. I cannot wait for you to watch this movie okay, I'm I'm gonna do this one.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna fall asleep on this one. I work a lot of hours.
Speaker 3:Yes, he does now.
Speaker 1:The townspeople described bernie as loving, charismatic. Never met a stranger. He was great with names. He would remember details about everyone in town's family and what was going on. One woman said if they were to make a list about the people in Carthage who would make it to heaven, bernie would be at the top.
Speaker 3:So just public figure number one, like perfect.
Speaker 1:Now, when I watched the movie, it reminded me a lot of Live Oak, the size of that town, which is a nearby town to us. It was small, the community was tight and all you did was work and go to church Kind of knew everybody. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Really putting in a whole lot right now. Yes, it seems like I can't wait at this moment to find out where the breaking point is.
Speaker 1:Now Carthage had a population of about 6,000. So everyone knew each other and it was listed as the best small town in Texas. Back in this time Okay, in the 90s All the widows loved Bernie. Hell ladies in general loved Bernie, but Bernie did not love the ladies Romantically at least.
Speaker 3:Oh well, he was even more stand up ish, like he wasn't a creep bag.
Speaker 1:Well, he was a very closeted gay man and most of the townspeople knew this, but it was not talked about. The elderly women loved him so much that they would have it in their will that they wanted Bernie to sing them to heaven.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, yeah, I'm so giddy about Bernie. There's just something about Bernie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it makes this case really hard. Okay, so in 1991, a woman named Marjorie Nugent lost her husband. This is who Shirley MacLaine plays. Okay, yes, okay. Marjorie Nugent lost her husband and became very close with Bernie. Now, marjorie was born in 1915, just outside of Carthage, and her father owned a grocery store. When she went to school, she went to Louisiana Tech where she would meet her husband, rl Nugent, who went by Rod. Okay, after they married, rod took a job with Magnolia Oil, because this is a big, it's Texas.
Speaker 1:It's fucking oil everywhere. Magnolia Oil would go on to be Mobile.
Speaker 3:Oil Mobile wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they would live in Louisiana, new Mexico and Texas and would raise their only son, rod Jr, in Midland, texas. When they retired they returned to Carthage. It's Carthage, not Carthridge. I don't know why I keep saying that Carthage. Now they were rich like rich rich, rich, rich rich Rod Sr bought the controlling interest in the bank of Carthage. They bought a 6,000 square foot house with a stone wall in the gate, just for the two of them. Rod Jr had gone on to do his own thing and make a family. So now Marjorie was the opposite of Bernie. She was not very social, she was not very popular and most people did not have a nice thing to say about her.
Speaker 3:But they had money money, money, money.
Speaker 1:But OK. So she was nasty to wait staff, retail workers and pretty much anyone who would cross her path. Someone, someone even said she would chew your ass out at the drop of a hat. She would rip you a new three-bedroom, two-bath, double-wide asshole with no problem With her hater blocker.
Speaker 3:big glasses on.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, that's what I'm picturing. I'm not sure. Oh, you got it, I nailed it. You nailed it. Yeah, I don't even know.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Holy shit Linda. Now she had two sisters, one lived in Carthage and one lived in Ohio, and she didn't speak to the one in Carthage because of a disagreement over their mother's estate. And this is my guy. Had to go to my side notes here, okay.
Speaker 2:Oh, we're in.
Speaker 3:So the sister that lives Side notes right now. Yeah, you're in side notes. The sister that lives, these are side notes right now. Yes, you're in side notes.
Speaker 1:So the sister that lives in Carthage, her name was Meryl and she had a son named Joe. And Joe said, because he made like a whole documentary, not a documentary, he wrote a book and I did not write down what it was called. I apologize, I will look that up and mention it in the next episode. So Joe said that Marge threatened to put him in a mental institute because he wouldn't cut his hair. She chased him around the yard with gardening shears when he wouldn't get a wasp nest down with his bare hands. What? And when Joe was 14, marge locked him in her house for two days Fuck you, marge. And the maid was the one who ended up letting him out and he called his mom. His mom came and they were just done. They were done. Now she was so jealous that Meryl had a girl that she tried to have Meryl and her husband declared unfit so that she could get custody of their only daughter, carrie.
Speaker 3:Wow, so it sounds like. Marge is the trigger to something bigger. Yeah, wow.
Speaker 1:So, and the whole thing with their mother's estate? She was already rich, so it just sounds like she's just fucking greedy. I mean, why are you gonna fight with your sisters who do not have the means that you have about your mother's estate? Let them fucking have it.
Speaker 3:She came up, she came up to that millionaire.
Speaker 1:She came up to that, though, through her husband yeah, through her husband so she would also.
Speaker 1:Barely she talked. She barely talked to her son and according to locals, she barely left the house and when she did, she definitely acted like she was better than everyone. There was one instance where she argued with the local vet over her bill being $45. She argued with him so hard that he actually came down on the price. Marjorie was just snobby and difficult and not well-liked, to say the least, was just snobby and difficult and not well liked, to say the least. Now her husband RL, or Rod Sr. He died unexpectedly of heart failure and not many folks showed up for support, probably mostly because of Marjorie.
Speaker 1:The funeral services were held where Bernie worked and, being the kind person that he was, he offered help and support. He felt sorry for her loneliness and he gave her a coat when she was cold and offered to help her to her car before heading to the burial. Bernie and Marge would become close and Bernie would always check up on her and he became her errand boy, getting her medications, food and offered companionship. Now her and Bernie would start traveling together, and not just in nearby areas, they would go all over the world. I have to say this Marjorie was in her 80s and Bernie was in his 30s.
Speaker 1:She gifted Bernie her $12,000 Rolex watch and told the bank that he could spend money in her name and if they didn't like it she would take her money elsewhere. These orders were also given to her personal stockbroker. The other town's widows got super jealous because Bernie was now spending all his free time with Marge. Rumors flew and it seemed that they had an actual relationship. She bought a house for Bernie and told him he could quit his job and she would pay him to be her full-time caretaker and business manager.
Speaker 3:So it just seems like that he's kind of moving in and getting all the benefits after everything happened.
Speaker 1:Right? Well, I don't think that it was his intention for all that to happen. He was just trying to be nice to this lonely old lady and everybody's jealous oh yeah because she's got that money, money, money money yes, and they loved bernie. Everybody loved bernie and, as someone who was only making about 18 000 a year and behind on his bills and owed back taxes, he's eating it up. This was quite the opportunity. Yeah, she even changed her will and made Bernie the sole beneficiary.
Speaker 3:Oh, he gets it all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean she had a son and grandkids.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what about them kids? She told a cousin that she didn't want her family to get a cent. She actually said not one thin dime.
Speaker 3:And I bet everybody was just jealous and just butthurt.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, she said it's because nobody else gave a fuck about her, but Bernie did. Now Bernie would fill in her spot at board meetings at the banks and he earned his pilot's license and Marge bought him a couple of planes.
Speaker 3:So it seems like the dude was doing all this stuff just naturally organic-ass good dude all together and kind of latched on to something nice but wasn't expecting anything and just got it all in return so far.
Speaker 1:Well, in their travels. They went on cruises. They traveled to Hong Kong, china, egypt. They went to New York to see Broadway musicals. They sailed on the Queen Mary and flew on the Concorde, which was apparently a huge deal. I don't know nothing about that.
Speaker 3:That was the big airplane back in the day.
Speaker 1:Okay, tell me about it. That's why I put that, because I don't know nothing about the Concorde. I figured you would. That's lavish-ass flying.
Speaker 3:If you're on the Concorde, that's like the cruise ship of the air.
Speaker 1:Well, I listened to another interview with Bernie and he also said they went to Bangkok, thailand, switzerland, germany, austria, italy, france and Russia. All first class in all five-star hotels.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, they had like the luxury plane, the big jumbo jets and all that stuff. They did away with that like in the 90s, maybe in the 80s or 90s. It was like the luxury way of flying.
Speaker 1:So it was a big deal.
Speaker 3:Like soul plane, plane with no snakes.
Speaker 1:Soul plane, for sure no hydraulics but yes, big, yeah, concord, yeah, really so well now, bernie did have a lot of things he had to do for emerge. He had to have her medicines laid out every day. He would make sure he'd be at her house to have her coffee made and have her, or be there for lunch I don't know if he made her lunch, but to be there for lunch by 1145 sharp. If Bernie didn't show up on time, she would straight up panic and page him relentlessly until he called or showed up. I mean, she basically owned his ass. Bernie, though, was taking his piece of the pie, but not how you would think. He became a robin hood for the townspeople.
Speaker 3:He bought about 10 different people cars, really, because they couldn't afford them kept on going and into being good, why you keep painting this beautiful ass picture of this dude.
Speaker 2:I mean he was an assistant.
Speaker 3:Like he was helping her through all of her golden years with all of her gold. Yeah, because?
Speaker 1:apparently, while she was married, her husband didn't like traveling shit, so now, she's found this person that was willing to do all that with her.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes, and she had the money to do it. Yeah, she was worth between five and ten million dollars. Just getting it out experiencing things, and she was getting monthly residuals I think it was like 200 grand a month from this gas company.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, that's cool. I mean, so far doesn't seem anything wrong with this.
Speaker 1:So so far doesn't seem anything wrong with this. So he, like I said, he bought about 10 different people cars, telling them he could pay them back when they could. He bought a house for a struggling couple, a whole fucking house. Okay, he would have scholarships, but he would put them in Margie's name for the local college students. And he pledged $100,000 to a new building for the first United Methodist Church.
Speaker 3:And knowing how to do taxes and everything. You can write all that off.
Speaker 1:All of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's perfect.
Speaker 1:And they show that in the movie too, where he's talking about the whole tax shit Cool. He led the fundraisers for the local Boy Scout troop. He bought the local trophy shop so that the business didn't go under and that the town's kids could still get their fucking trophies every year for whatever, so like you're building up this whole fucking thing right now, lindsey I was gonna keep going and I'll let you fly for a while I did.
Speaker 3:Now I'm in it, I'm in this. Hey, hang on, wait a minute, wait a minute. When the fuck are you gonna drop this bomb that?
Speaker 2:I know you're fixing to drop. It's coming because I mean I'm looking at very I've been over here sipping, no more.
Speaker 1:But I don't need you because I'm getting.
Speaker 3:I'm getting goof booted over here but at the same time, like I don't have anything to drink about yet, I know this is a very unique case I mean, this is why I guess we can talk about the good old days, because we've had horrific murders the last two cases this has been like, uh, rainbows and unicorns. I know I'm here we it's this one's.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll get there, go ahead. Okay, so he gave away college theater tickets that he bought to booth sales. He paid for expenses for the church choir concerts. God, I have misspelled so much shit in my in my thing here, but I knew what I was talking about. Okay, so, and he funded a clothing store for one of his previous co-workers. It was called the boot scootin western shop the boot, scootin western.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna call on bernie to pay some of my fucking bill.
Speaker 1:I know where you at bernie. So around 1995 he would tell his sister that he thought Marge was showing signs of dementia, firing housekeepers and gardeners that had worked for her for years.
Speaker 3:Didn't know who they were Like, probably didn't know who they were. Dementia. She was like get out of my damn yard.
Speaker 1:She started making Bernie do this work instead. The only person she could remember and trust, Like it was said that she fired one gardener because her flowers didn't bloom on time oh yeah yeah, that's, that's tough, that's, she's bougie as fuck yeah, so she made. She made bernie buy a 22 rifle to shoot armadillos that were messing up her grounds, because I guess armadillos can do some damage.
Speaker 3:They're in Texas, lindsay, it's armadillers I know, excuse me, armadillers. Armadillers.
Speaker 1:And he wasn't comfortable using a gun because, as the townspeople would call him, he was lighting the loafers.
Speaker 3:He was lighting the loafers. I want to say that British, but he's a little. Lighting the loafers, I want to say that. British but haze a little light in the loafers, that's better.
Speaker 1:It isn't much better, so she taught him how to shoot the gun.
Speaker 3:I'm still laughing about this. I'm still over your lap, Like I'm turning away from the mic. I'm trying to laugh.
Speaker 1:He's laughing into the plant.
Speaker 3:I did.
Speaker 1:Give my Ivy, give my Lily some.
Speaker 3:I am chuckling Bernie over here over my plant.
Speaker 1:So she taught him how to shoot the gun and she demanded that he take care of this problem. If he would miss, she would degrade him and by this point she had become very controlling and pissy towards him most of the time. When his sister asked why he didn't quit, he said well, I'm all she's got. Not to mention he would inherit a multi-million dollar estate if he just quit. Marge was a bitch. She would have rode him right the fuck out and she's like on the edge of full-on retirement.
Speaker 1:She's fixing to clock out. She's done, she's been retired.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm saying, like human life retirement, she's fixing to clock out, oh, she's done, she's been retired.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm saying like human, like life retirement, Like she's been to clock out, she's retiring from life.
Speaker 3:She's retiring from life.
Speaker 1:So Thanksgiving of 1996, bernie went to his sister's and said he went by himself and he said that Marge was going to spend the holidays with her sister. This was the one that was in Ohio. Apparently she was still speaking to that one, not the one that lived in Carthage. He still decorated her house at Christmas but said she was still in Ohio Early spring. No one has seen Marge, and Bernie said that she was bedridden from being ill and then he said that she had a stroke and was in a nursing home out of town. He told her stockbroker that she was losing her mind and possibly had Alzheimer's. The maid kept coming to clean the house and I'm guessing that that was a new one after her firing spree.
Speaker 3:Oh, this is fixing to be good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but no one saw Marge herself. Burning was still spending money in her name. Spree oh, this is fixing to be good. Yeah, but no one saw Marge herself. Burning was still spending money in her name, though. He even bought jet skis and pickup trucks for the college performers of a Guys and Dolls performance, along with $200 gift certificates to the Boot Scootin' Western Wear store.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, in April I'm gonna go get me some chaps from there. All right, pay attention to the timeline now. Okay, thanksgiving, he's by himself. He says March, he's in Ohio. Okay, so now we're in April of 1997. He performed with the Shreveport Chamber Singers and he got a long standing ovation for his solo, like they were digging burns.
Speaker 2:Look at there.
Speaker 1:I'm guessing in the movie it does describe where Carthage is. I'm guessing it's not far from Louisiana according to the map.
Speaker 3:They could just hop on over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll hop on over to Shreveport. Yeah, Because he had spent some time in Shreveport in his youth too, with another funeral on.
Speaker 3:There, isn't that crazy. We just talked about Shreveport.
Speaker 1:I know and I didn't even plan that right what? In June he went on a Chamber of Commerce trip to Nashville and took personal care of another widow on that trip who was wheelchair-bound, and everyone just delighted in his compassion. Who was wheelchair-bound and everyone just delighted in his compassion. In July, a local resident called the sheriff worried about Marge. No one has seen or heard from her and this well check would go unattended for another 30 days.
Speaker 3:Whoa, whoa, mm-hmm, whoa, lindsay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nobody gave a fuck about Marge. Okay, this one person did, but nobody else gave a fuck about Marge.
Speaker 3:Go ahead and drop the whoa.
Speaker 1:All right. So they did get a hold of Bernie, who was in Vegas singing at a student's wedding, and he told them that Marge was at a hospital in Temple, texas, under an assumed name, because she didn't want to be bothered, just leave Marge the fuck alone, okay. Upon investigating this, they couldn't find anyone to match her description, so they ended up calling her son, rod Jr, to see if he had heard anything. He said uh, no.
Speaker 3:And he decided to come down and he brought his oldest daughter with him to Carthage. This sounds like a perfect scenario for some bullshit.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we're getting there. So they went to search the house and saw that no one had been there for a while, nine months to be exact. Whoa Rod Jr's daughter noticed that the deep freezer had been taped shut and found that to be very odd. Lansley, lansley. So she opened the deep freezer and moved some food around and wrapped in a white lands in sheet. Lansley was the body of marjorie nugent lansley and she taught she saw the top of her head, lansy, yeah.
Speaker 3:What the fuck? He doesn't. So Hold on, let me get there, oh well, but he done. All right, you get there, but he done, did he done?
Speaker 1:I don't know who done, but so not wanting to mess with any evidence, they had the deep freezer hauled by pickup or a pickup truck with a generator attached to Dallas for an autopsy.
Speaker 3:Hopefully they keep it cold.
Speaker 1:The police started looking for Bernie immediately and found him taking a Little League baseball team out for dinner with their parents and they took him in. It didn't take much for Bernie to crack. He said the previous November, nine months earlier, he and Marge were going to get some Chinese and she was bitching at him relentlessly and he snapped. He said he picked up the rifle, the one meant for the armadillos. Armadillos Hit her with the deuce deuce and shot her in the back four times. Hit her with the deuce deuce and shot her in the back four times.
Speaker 3:Hit her with the deuce deuce. I got the deuce deuce. Damn Go.
Speaker 1:Now the town went fucking wild, but not because Bernie had killed Marjorie, but because Bernie was being arrested. Oh yeah, his bond was set at a million dollars and a group of ladies tried to raise that money. The preacher was praying for Bernie in church every Sunday. What?
Speaker 3:a perfect freaking dude that just snapped they could not understand Because Marge was not liked.
Speaker 1:There's actually a quote from a lady in the movie who says Could not Marge Understand? Because Marge was not liked? Nobody. There's actually a quote from a lady in the movie who says there's anybody in town that would have shot her for $5. Like she said, like it's a woman that you know has been smoking fucking Misty 120s for 30 years.
Speaker 3:I'm going to take a sip of this fucking drink right here it's it.
Speaker 1:Do you know what made me want to do this case? Because there is a viral soundbite of these fucking town people on the movie on tiktok right now and I'm like that's from fucking bernie. I need to cover bernie and I was, like you know what?
Speaker 2:why am I?
Speaker 1:laughing about this fucker. It's horrible, but it's funny.
Speaker 3:Stuffed her in a fuck you, marge Doop, I'm gonna stick you in the fucking freezer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it said that he shot her, put her in the freezer, washed the blood off with a water hose and went on.
Speaker 3:Well, he didn like fuck you, bam and dupe, you're out in the freezer, I'm done.
Speaker 1:Well, law enforcement I'm going to go sing.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go do some shit.
Speaker 1:Law enforcement tacked on some embezzlement charges to raise his bond even more, which would be at $2.7 million, and they just couldn't raise that money. The prosecutor, danny Buck Davidson, danny Buck, that's who Matthew McConaughey plays.
Speaker 3:Oh, this is perfect.
Speaker 1:He was telling everyone, you know, because he's from Texas. Yeah, he was telling everyone that would listen that Bernie was a con man and had taken advantage of an old lady. And I'm sorry, I just don't think that this is true. No, because he was genuine before that Exactly, and he has plenty of opportunity to take advantage of any of the other widows in town, but he didn't.
Speaker 3:And kept giving, kept giving, giving, giving, giving.
Speaker 1:All he was doing with Marjorie's money was giving it away.
Speaker 3:He couldn't get Marge, just to stop being Marge. Marge was just too in charge. Was Marge large?
Speaker 1:And I mean, like I said, he had good intentions and he was spending her money for what he thought was good and she just became too much and now the money had took hold of him and he didn't want to let that go.
Speaker 3:How fucking old she had to be, from 19, what 11?
Speaker 1:15.
Speaker 3:15. 15. 1915.
Speaker 1:That was the year that my grandfather was born.
Speaker 3:Is that 15 to 95?
Speaker 1:Yeah, 96.
Speaker 3:15 to 96. I'm not mathin', but still that's a lot she owed.
Speaker 1:I know I can't math right now either. I've had too many white claws.
Speaker 3:I ain't doing it, but I mean, mean Bernie.
Speaker 1:You can't kill her. I mean Bernie. All you had to do was wait a few more years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a couple more hours, dude. She had a heart condition. She would have clocked out in a couple more hours bro.
Speaker 1:And you know it's funny because one podcaster even said you could have just fucking smothered her with a. Nobody would have questioned that.
Speaker 3:She just looked like she died in her sleep in the name of jesus, fucking just holding it over her face and my heart but in total he did spend over a million dollars of her money to do these good deeds for the community.
Speaker 1:She advanced him to her, actually, like he said this in his interview three million dollars To do whatever the fuck he wanted to do.
Speaker 3:He could have just went and hung out for a few more months If he would have just left for a few more months.
Speaker 1:So whatever she done must have been fucking horrible. Yeah, to do that, I mean to just fucking snap. She had to have been fucking horrible.
Speaker 3:It brought him to the point. I mean there was a breaking point there. Dude's been putting out so much good into everything everybody and then all of a sudden I guess you know he's helping people get vehicles.
Speaker 1:There comes a breakdown. You know he bought a struggling couple of house. He's funding businesses that we're going under. Yeah, organizations, yes, everything.
Speaker 3:Sports, like everything that he could get into, and he was doing it before. Yes, and she was just like eh, eh, eh eh, eh the whole time.
Speaker 1:And I mean he was in some debt before he met her, but nothing serious Like he owed like $4,000.
Speaker 3:Yeah, regular Joe just doing his shit, yeah I mean like we owe that much Right. But there's only so much of that negative that you could take before it accumulates and you just bam Right, you can't anymore. There's a point and she was probably pouring it on even more with losing it, getting old, being like completely just controlling.
Speaker 1:Because she was already a horrible person beforehand Entitled.
Speaker 3:So if she did have, she was the biggest shit in the world and she could do whatever she wanted to, because she had money and came into it.
Speaker 1:So if she did have anything that was like a dementia or Alzheimer's coming on, it's just going to make that behavior much worse and more violent, more scared, more you know it's worse yeah. But guess what was found in Bernie's house? Tell me Some videotapes of him and important members of the town in unspeakable manner. Oh, they was doing some dirty stuff down there in Texas.
Speaker 2:Well unspeakable to them and this was even law enforcement officers.
Speaker 1:His defense lawyer's name was Clifton Scrappy Holmes.
Speaker 3:They all have side nicknames. Yes, they're really slick. I love that.
Speaker 1:I want to move to Texas so I can get me one. We got Buck and Scrappy.
Speaker 3:I love it.
Speaker 1:So this was? This was funded by some of Bernie's friends, Now Danny Buck prosecution. He was willing to take a plea bargain because it was going to be really hard to find an impartial jury that would actually convict Bernie, and usually it's the other way around.
Speaker 3:That's a small town. Do you have to pull? Everyone loves him, but you had to pull jury members from that area first, right, and they all knew him. They all knew he was amazing. How are you going to find these people? Yeah, wow.
Speaker 1:So there was actually talk of an insanity plea because Bernie, like I said, would have just had to have a psychotic break to have done something like this, to have a psychotic break to have done something like this. But Danny Buck said it was probably because Marjorie had found out he was spending her money in ways that she wouldn't have and he probably panicked if she said she was going to expose him.
Speaker 3:But she gave him, she fronted him three million.
Speaker 1:She said that she would have rather him spend all her money than to her family to get one thin dime Byrne burn.
Speaker 3:I feel like temporary insanity plea would have been perfect for you.
Speaker 1:You snap dude like I said, I don't think that was true and I think he just could no longer take any more of her verbal abuse. But this is not how you solve it, bernie no, no, you wait it out.
Speaker 3:you Go get you some anxiety medication. Okay, hang on for 10 more minutes.
Speaker 1:Go to therapy about it and be like I can't take her shit no more. Please help me get through this. And your psychiatrist would have been like listen, bernie wait it out, the flower is wilted bro yes.
Speaker 3:It's fixing to fall off the vine, bro.
Speaker 1:Come on, bro, bro so when they asked him why he had left her in a freezer for nine months, he said that he did want to give her a proper burial. I mean because, honestly, he could have took her on one of those planes and made her disappear.
Speaker 3:He was trying to disassociate, though that's what he was doing.
Speaker 1:You got it on.
Speaker 3:I'm coming up on that so yeah, okay, go ahead and fly, but that's, I'm already cut.
Speaker 1:Now Marjorie did get a proper burial outside of Carthage and the family that she had.
Speaker 3:Did they bury the whole deep freezer?
Speaker 1:No, Jesse, that would have been me. They thought her ass out.
Speaker 3:I'd be like this bitch here brick. Here's the whole deep freezer with her in it.
Speaker 1:Now her family that she hadn hadn't spoken with in years, in years. Sorry, they did attend the service, still laughing at the plant. Now I have to say I listened to uh interviews with her and impact statements from her grandchildren that were acting like that.
Speaker 3:She was this wonderful fucking woman oh, they reverted because they were trying to get back and I did some back, I did some back shit, some back research.
Speaker 1:Her grandkids had actually sued her in the past for trust money that she would not give them.
Speaker 3:That's exactly what I'm saying. They're butthurt, they're trying to revert, get back and try to get some of that money.
Speaker 1:Nobody. She was not a nice person. She did nothing nice until Bernie came along.
Speaker 3:She was not going to get a cent or whatever you just said. A thin dime A thin damn dime Marjorie just effed all them off and they were butthurt.
Speaker 1:She was done with all of them.
Speaker 3:But at the end of it, there they come.
Speaker 1:Here we come, but we loved her to death and she was the greatest thing.
Speaker 3:Rest on ice Right, greatest thing.
Speaker 1:Rest on ice Right Now. Bernie did receive life in prison, which is, at that time, 30 years, yeah. But he continued to do good work from prison, like needlepoint and things like that. He taught health classes, he sang in the prison choir and he was a model prisoner. But at first, upon arriving, he did get attacked. But Bernie being Bernie, like, everybody came to love him there too.
Speaker 3:Right. He couldn't work in his personality there at the beginning. Seems soft.
Speaker 1:They're going to go after him. Yes, because if you hear him talk in real life, he's very soft.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they had to establish their dominance.
Speaker 2:He can't be a hard person, right.
Speaker 1:Now Rod Jr filed a wrongful death suit against Bernie, saying that he took $3 million of his beloved mother's money that he barely spoke to, but that was not the case. She had just given that to him, right. So now the movie came out in 2011 and it actually made which. I don't understand this. It made some of the people that had initially been for him become against him.
Speaker 3:We got to hurry this up because you've got to hit play. I know, Dude.
Speaker 1:I want to see him play in this shit, like I said, because I saw this and I cannot.
Speaker 3:Unsee.
Speaker 1:I cannot not sympathize with him. I cannot.
Speaker 2:I'm not lying and I have researched, and researched, and researched.
Speaker 1:And, yes, no, you shouldn't have killed Bernie, but I can't hate him. I'm going to say that I can't do it, it's horrible. It's horrible.
Speaker 3:It's horrible, but when the light is that dim and she is that shitty, and I want, I'm not going on his side for doing the murder. No, no no, but he should have learned to hang out and get a little therapy or something.
Speaker 1:Please watch this movie and give us some feedback, because it is very accurate. It's almost to the T. A few names have been changed here and there, like the funeral home name and all that shit was changed, but that's it. May of 2014,. A visiting judge named Diane DeVasto of Tyler, texas, allowed Bernie to be released on a $10 million bail after his attorney, jody Cole, learned that he had been sexually abused as a child for many years by an uncle, and other people actually came out about this uncle as well in testimony.
Speaker 3:So there's where all the giving back comes from.
Speaker 1:Yes, I know I told this one a little backwards for you.
Speaker 3:I had to make it suspenseful you had to twist it and then I got the real understanding right now fully.
Speaker 1:Like I said, many, I think there was like four other people came out about this uncle four to right now four. It was four to six people came out about this same uncle had have molested them as well what the fuck yeah and he just kept thriving toward giving back to try to get that he was healing.
Speaker 3:You know, just couldn't stop and then something made him snap. If you tie that and that together, you're going to get that, I'm sorry, Like you're going to get that.
Speaker 1:Well, she claimed Jodi Cole, I'm sipping now. She claimed that the shooting, that's the worst thing Other than the.
Speaker 3:Even the fridge thing wasn't that bad. Fuck, she was old as shit.
Speaker 1:Stop it before we get canceled.
Speaker 3:I mean I'm sorry I'm on team Bernie, I'm sorry, it's just like she's like a Weezer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like they picked the perfect actress the perfect actress.
Speaker 3:Dude actress dude, I'm so excited about this fucking movie right now this moment.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, why do I gotta be on team murderer? I know this is probably is this the only one I'm ever gonna be on team murderer.
Speaker 3:The only one. Well, fucking cheers, bernie. I'm on team murderer right now what so?
Speaker 1:she cut jody cole the hell, lindsey, wait a minute.
Speaker 3:How the hell do you actually make me on the team of the fucking murderer?
Speaker 1:I told you this was a unique case Holy shit y'all. Go. So she Jody Cole claimed that the shooting may have been a brief dissociative episode because of the abuse that he had endured, and this was backed by a psychiatrist. And it was also said that Bernie's handwritten confession was coerced by the officials that had been in Bernie's home videos. This is like the craziest thing. I know.
Speaker 3:I'm sitting here like wide eyed and grinning and feel giddy. I'm giddy right now. Why am I giddy right now?
Speaker 1:This is a hard one to.
Speaker 3:At the same time, I'm trying to swallow.
Speaker 1:You should have just waited it out. But at the same time, if he did have a psychiatric break, I don't know he snapped.
Speaker 3:It was a temporary snap of all the trauma that he had as a kid. You know that.
Speaker 1:I have been through a lot of abuse and I've had a lot of disassociative episodes in my life.
Speaker 3:Thank God they have included murder, and I've episodes in my life thank god they have included murder and I've had no thoughts of murder period ever in my life, you've never had anything equal to such.
Speaker 1:No but I. When you do have a disassociative episode, you don't know what's happening. It's like almost like robotic, or like you're watching yourself outside of yourself that's what you're doing.
Speaker 3:You're disassociating all reality in that moment. So he snapped, did his shit and then stuck her in there, knew that it happened, but completely was trying to shut that out while he was right in his he was like fuck, what did I? Just he knew all this was coming. Yeah, he knew it.
Speaker 1:He knew it and there was I mean, there was even an interview where he said he was just glad that it was dealt with. Wow.
Speaker 3:Wrap this thing up. I cannot believe, though, at this moment, that I'm on his fucking side.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 3:How do you twist it around to where I'm on the murderer's side on this podcast, Lindsay?
Speaker 1:Because he was a good dude. I mean, there's just no denying that factor.
Speaker 3:I mean, even the townspeople were Did you ever think and I want to know from everybody else too If you were actually on the Byrne side? I'm on Team Byrne.
Speaker 1:And you've got to watch the movie to really understand that. Like I said, it's accurate, very accurate, very. I mean I'm wrong, you were wrong, you shouldn't have done it Right. Still on your side, sorry Now you shouldn't have done it Right.
Speaker 3:Still on your side, sorry.
Speaker 1:Now Marge's family learned about his release from the media and they lost their shit. They said that the movie had influence over the judicial system. Now he was out for two years and lived in the filmmaker's garage apartment in Austin Texas. This man was Richard Linkletter. Jack Black also spent a lot of time with him and he even says that he was on Team.
Speaker 3:Burn too. Yeah, thank you, Jack. Thank you, I'm going to tag you in this.
Speaker 1:And he spent time with him in jail as well as out, because he studied all of him. He embodied Bernie. I cannot wait for you to watch this movie because it's accurate. I can't say that enough. It's so accurate.
Speaker 3:I won't sleep on your movie ever again, Jack Black.
Speaker 1:Now, and I mean Richard Linklater, the filmmaker. He entrusted Bernie to take care of his children and he did things around the house to earn his keep, but unfortunately, on April 22nd of 2016, Bernie was re-sentenced to 99 years.
Speaker 2:This is worse than his first sentencing.
Speaker 1:His first sentencing was 30. Basically, life is 25 to 30.
Speaker 3:But you killed somebody that's like 599 years old already and she is just Doesn't matter. Jesse, it's murder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but she was at the end and she is just Doesn't matter, jesse, it's murder. Yeah, but she was at the end and it was in the back.
Speaker 3:But if you look at, the candle has burned out at this time. I could get 30 years, I understand.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what they were trying to do, because at that point he had already served 18, I think, yeah, 18 years. He had already served 18 years.
Speaker 3:Time served, bro, and this was a jury.
Speaker 1:The jury that reconvicted him was 10 women and only two men, and they fucking reconvicted him for 99 years, oh, and they played it good.
Speaker 3:This little old lady was so sweet and she just. That's what I'm saying. 18 years later, it's a whole different mentality.
Speaker 1:Impact statements. These people, this family that she had nothing to do with Now you just dumped on me, really sold it.
Speaker 3:You just dumped on me right now I know.
Speaker 1:So there was an appeal filed and the theft charge was dropped, but the sentence was upheld and he is eligible for parole in 2029 and he will be 71 years old.
Speaker 3:Dude, come on out, man there ain't. No, they better let him out at 71.
Speaker 1:He's not a threat. In fact, the two years that he was out, he could have done this same shit again, but he didn't.
Speaker 3:No, he just snapped for a little bit. I mean, I'm not trying to justify it, we're not justifying murder we promise y'all.
Speaker 1:But this is a very unique case. You turned it to where I'm still on his fucking side, it's a very unique case. It's conflicting.
Speaker 3:So conflicting, is that it?
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, I can't believe you did this to me, lansy, lansy.
Speaker 1:Lansy, and that is our coverage on Bernie Tita.
Speaker 3:I cannot believe this one. This is insane to me. It is literally insane to me, and I had to give you this. Thank you, thank you. I had to Team Bernie Mm this. Thank you I had to Team Burn Mm-hmm, still incarcerated Was amazing. Snapped for a little bit, should have got 15 years.
Speaker 1:Sorry, her candle was burning, or the 18 that he already served before he was released.
Speaker 3:Time served. Should have been time served.
Speaker 2:Time served?
Speaker 1:I don't think that Bernie is a threat to the community? Wow With some therapy. I? I don't think that Bernie is a threat to the community. Wow With some therapy. I mean, he still breaks down and cries about it to this day. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So many twists and turns to all these fucking murders and crazy shit that happens in life.
Speaker 1:And I think he has actually suffered a stroke now, because I seen a more recent interview with him in prison and he's kind of got the-.
Speaker 3:Drawing over. Yeah, the drawn mouth. Wow, my grandmother was like that. She had hers when she was young.
Speaker 2:Damn.
Speaker 3:That's tough, but Team Burn, I don't care. Hate me if you want to. Is that weird for me to say I can't? I know it's awkward.
Speaker 1:I can't hate him. It's awkward I can't hate him. It's awkward. She's like I can't hate him.
Speaker 3:I can't hate him, but you can't like I don't, I don't know, I don't and I don't know.
Speaker 1:Maybe if I hadn't seen the movie first, I don't know where I'm at conflicted. I don't know what other emotions at the end of the movie for jack, for for bernie, for jack blacks, for Jack Black.
Speaker 3:For Jacqueline Bernie.
Speaker 1:Onassis.
Speaker 3:Yeah, bernie Sanders, colonel, whatever Sanders, whatever Bernie, that one was hard, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:That was hard. That's so weird. I mean shooting an old lady in the back. Ain't cool man.
Speaker 3:No no, dude, no, dude, dude, dude, Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude.
Speaker 1:I still can't believe. I heard somebody say to smother her.
Speaker 3:I just no, in the name of Jesus, you smother her. In the name of Jesus, you would have been out dude.
Speaker 1:You would have never questioned that. To be to be honest, no but he had his mortician background in his soul. You know, it's like freezer and preserver it was too genuine to hide it. Good enough I guess, I don't know yeah, I think that's it, because I mean, like I said, he immediately, he didn't hide it.
Speaker 3:So I talked to Jerry the other day from what band are you plugging? I talked to Jerry from Divided Truth.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to go hear them tomorrow.
Speaker 3:We're going to go hear them tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, when this is released, it will have been last week.
Speaker 3:We're going to hear Jerry from Divided Truth.
Speaker 1:We're in the past, present and future.
Speaker 3:But I also talked to a couple of other people from another band also and I wanted to share them as well. Can I do two?
Speaker 2:on here.
Speaker 3:I'm allowed to do two bands. You got time Can we for like our number 20? Yeah, can I do two bands, two for 20?.
Speaker 1:Two for 20.
Speaker 3:I can Okay.
Speaker 1:Two for 20, special at Applebee's A special at Applebee's, you get an appetizer, two meals and a dessert.
Speaker 3:I'm going to play two bands for our 20th Is that cool. Yeah, because we're going to see the other band too. So talk to Jerry from Divided Truth. He wants me to play Cut Out my Heart, and I talked to another band.
Speaker 1:Cut Out my Heart.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, and I talked to another band as well and I'm going to play it as well, but I won't tell you until later on. Is that cool? Okay, okay, so I wanted to play Divided Truth, cut Out my Heart, and then I'm going to play another song after that. Is that cool? Yes, okay, sweet, sweet. I get to play double the music. Yay, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1:Two for 20.
Speaker 3:So excited, so super excited.
Speaker 2:Thank you. You show the world that you're dead inside. Cut out my heart just to make you see that you're not the rhythm that it beats. I cut my wrists in and watch them bleed Before I surrender. You won't see the chapter page, my vision through your stack of lies. It kills the truth as I watch it die.
Speaker 2:Silence can have a whole lot to say. Your words are a prison I have to escape With every word and reason why you show the world that you're dead inside. Cut out my heart just to make you see that you're not the rhythm that it beats. I'd cut my wrist in and watch them bleed before I surrender. You won't be the and watch them leave Before I surrender. You won't be the chastity. I should have known and seen the signs and buried you With those simple times. I will cut out my heart just to make you see that you're not the rhythm that it beats. I cut my wrists in and watch them bleed Before I surrender. You won't be the death of me and you won't be the death of me. You won't be the death of me. Wow, and they're playing. Tomorrow we're going to check them out. Yes, that was a good song.
Speaker 3:Wow, and they're playing tomorrow. We're going to check them out.
Speaker 1:Yes, that was a good song. It was very 311-ish Phil.
Speaker 3:I like the groove too. It's very groovy metal. I like it. And they just got back together with some new stuff and they're going to be coming out at Jackrabbit's and we're going to go check them out, right.
Speaker 1:Yes, are we? We're going tomorrow, jack.
Speaker 3:Rabbit's.
Speaker 1:We're going to go check them out, right? Yes, we're going tomorrow.
Speaker 3:Are we? We are To.
Speaker 1:Jacksonville.
Speaker 3:Sweet. Thanks, jerry. Thanks Divided Truth. We've played with them a few times. Really cool guys, really cool. He was a bass player for a long time. He's like I want to sing, so I'm going to do both. I'm going to play another band. I want to play another band. Who?
Speaker 2:are you?
Speaker 3:playing. Next I want to play another band. The second band I talked to is josh from tragic, which we're going to see also at jack rabbits. Yeah, and I wanted to share his new song. It's called dead weight. I gotta do two, because it's 20, is that?
Speaker 3:cool for 20 two for 20 here. Here we go. This is tragic. Dead weight. Love these guys too. They're awesome. They're just fucking a phenomenal. So check out this one as well. Check out both of these bands. We're going to see them and I'll give a review after the show.
Speaker 1:On our next pod to love, take some videos, we'll see.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that'd be great, that'd be great.
Speaker 2:So That'd be great, so Tragic. Deadweight, here we go. Should've known there would be hell to pay, decided to turn your back on me. Turn your back on me. Should've known there was a price to pay. You started to bite the hand that feeds. The fate. Another knife in the back again. And now the past is haunting me. I feel it bringing me down. You thought you took a part of me, but I'm just cutting off the dead weight. Should have known you were the enemy when you decided to place the blame on me. Should have known there was a price to pay when you decided to bite the hand that feeds. Should've known there was no price to pay. Excited by the hand, the face, the face.
Speaker 2:Another knife in the back again. A dog wag one's horns. Another wound that I must mend Again. And now the past is holding me. I feel it bringing me down. You thought you took a part of me, but I'm just cutting off the dead weight. Dead weight Go. So good, you died of the rat race, so I'm cutting you off Dead weight. So good, you died of the rat race, so I'm cutting you off Dead weight. So cocky. I'm tired of the rat race, so I'm cutting you off, damn right. And now the past is on demand. I feel it bringing me down. You thought you took a part of me, but I'm just cutting off the dead weight. Another knife in the back again. Another knife in the back again. I'm just cutting off the dead weight.
Speaker 3:Another knife in the back again, lindsay.
Speaker 1:Great job.
Speaker 3:Tragic. You did a great job Divided truth and tragic.
Speaker 1:Great job.
Speaker 3:Check them both out and happy 20th episode, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Yes, happy 20th.
Speaker 3:We will see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 1:Yes, like us, yeah, share us all the good stuff.
Speaker 3:So, and uh, lindsay, I can't believe that you had me on that team.
Speaker 1:dude, I can't believe you had me and we're going to watch Bernie now.
