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EPISODE 22: Casey Anthony
Few criminal cases have captured America's attention like the saga of Casey Anthony. When two-year-old Caylee Anthony disappeared in the summer of 2008, no one could have predicted the shocking revelation that her mother had waited 31 days to report her missing – all while partying, entering hot body contests, and getting a "Bella Vita" tattoo.
The evidence seemed overwhelming: decomposition detected in Casey's car trunk, chloroform searches on the family computer, and a child's remains found wrapped in a Winnie the Pooh blanket just a quarter mile from the Anthony home. Yet somehow, in July 2011, Casey walked free – acquitted of murder charges in a verdict that stunned the nation.
In this raw, unflinching episode, we dive deep into the web of lies spun by Casey Anthony – from her fictional job at Universal Studios to the non-existent "Zanny the Nanny." We examine the dysfunction within the Anthony family, the prosecution's missteps, and the defense's controversial strategy that ultimately created enough reasonable doubt for acquittal. Most disturbing is Casey's inexplicable behavior during those 31 days when her daughter was "missing," revealing a profound disconnect that continues to haunt anyone familiar with the case.
More than a decade later, as Casey reemerges on social media claiming to be a "legal advocate," we're left with the same haunting questions: What really happened to Caylee Anthony? How did our justice system fail so completely? And why does a mother who showed no concern for her missing child now seek to reinvent herself in the public eye?
Whether you've followed this case for years or are learning these disturbing details for the first time, this episode offers a sobering look at how justice sometimes slips through the cracks, leaving a young victim without accountability or closure.
Hey, Jesse.
Speaker 2:Hey Lindsay, he got me. Hey Lindsay, hey Lindsay, hey Jesse, that's just my girl, Jesse. She's my bestie. That's my bestie, Jesse.
Speaker 1:What are you drinking, Jesse?
Speaker 2:I'm drinking this drink that we got here from no, I was about to say Hell Patterns.
Speaker 1:You was about to say Hell Patterns, I didn't say Hell Patterns. So on our anniversary weekend we went to the St Augustine Distillery.
Speaker 2:St Augustine Distillery and we got this amazing gin drink.
Speaker 1:Y'all that place is awesome. It's free, go in there, they'll get you drunk. They'll go in there, they'll get you drunk. They'll give you shot after shot of all the little things. And then they got a little store where you can buy their liquor and accessories to go with it.
Speaker 2:So I almost said how patterns, because I've been thinking about how patterns doing tours all week long. If that makes sense, and I just think that they should do it, that would be a cool little thing for us doing tours.
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:like you know, like the distillery tour, like we did, if how patters did a distillery tour okay, okay, yeah, but st august, they don't do that already. No not that I know of no I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they need to do it. I'm gonna talk to them, they're gonna do it. I'm gonna get with them. It's time, because I mean, all you have to do is just get a couple of dudes to do a couple of you know, taste testing and blah, blah, blah, and you can sell a shitload more and you can have more people there and it's, you know, an attractant. That'd be great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Hal Patters do tours.
Speaker 1:We got gin and tonic mixed. Yeah, I was going to sound very country. You know that the liquor has hit me, so we're drinking out of these mugs that we had up on our shelf. That contains a huge plethora of shot glasses, drink glasses and whatever, and they still had tags on them yeah, we've never drank out of them. Never drank out of these. So cheers, we're going to do a cheers and we're going to say happy St Patty's Day to everybody.
Speaker 2:There it is. Hold on, that didn't break. Okay, I'm good, all right. Yes, oh, let me do mine.
Speaker 1:Hang on, sippy sippy why Claude drank an ass, but we also have a green Apple Vista Bay as a backup.
Speaker 2:This hits good.
Speaker 1:This hits good, go get it, go get it yeah the whole kit comes with gin, tonic mix and vodka man we dropped like $3.50. It was $2.79, sir, but let me name everything we got.
Speaker 2:So we got the- $2.79.
Speaker 1:Yes, so we got the tonic mix which, like I said, comes with gin and vodka. We got Bloody Mary mix. You got like their most expensive bottle of whiskey.
Speaker 2:No, second most.
Speaker 1:Second, most Okay, was it whiskey or bourbon?
Speaker 2:It's bourbon. Okay, it's definitely bourbon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then we've got two shot glasses, we got a nice little button-up shirt for Jesse, and then we got some pickled okra and pickled green beans. But I have to say we're not a fan of the pickled okra.
Speaker 2:It was too crispy and it wasn't spicy-ish, it was plain, it was sweet and spicy.
Speaker 1:Which is good, because we like sweet and spicy pickles. But we just didn't want them in our Bloody Mary and that's what we made with them. We like just the spicy one.
Speaker 2:The bloody mary mix, wasn't top either.
Speaker 1:No, we still like zing zang zing zang is the tits 8.98 a bottle at walmart. It's on my cart every other week it is.
Speaker 2:We like the spicy too. A little bit of that for me, she like a little shot of that yeah, what are you drinking about? What are we drinking about over?
Speaker 1:here, All right. So I just sent you a TikTok and I need you to plug that in and then we will talk about I have to plug it.
Speaker 2:Okay, I can do that I can do that. Y'all check this out, okay.
Speaker 5:Today is Saturday, march 1st 2025. This is my first of probably many recordings on a series that I'm starting. I am a legal advocate. I am a researcher. I've been in the legal field since 2011. And, in this capacity, I feel that it's necessary, if I'm going to continue to operate appropriately as a legal advocate, that I start to advocate for myself and also advocate for my daughter. For those of you who don't know, my name is Casey Anthony. My daughter is Kaylee Anthony. My parents are George and Cindy Anthony. This is not about them. This is not in response to anything that they have said or done. That's not to say that I'm not going to respond at some point to some of the things that they have said and done. The whole point of this is for me to begin to reintroduce myself so that's what the fuck we're drinking about today lindsey, listen to me right now.
Speaker 2:And I knew some shit like this was coming. I knew you was gonna flip me some shit like this right here, and I know about this one a little, a lot and too much already. Jesus, effing Christ A-hole, I'll tell you what. Right now, dude, and I'm not even I'm gonna have to drink all this twice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so before.
Speaker 2:You just no, you just Lindsay Nicole Michelle.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say where's the Michelle man? Okay, so before.
Speaker 2:Michelle, I was going to say where's the Michelle.
Speaker 1:Ah man, Okay so before.
Speaker 2:I guess I'll sit here, we get into all that.
Speaker 1:Let's finish our little outline here. So if you're new here, this is episode 22. Deuce, deuce in the trunk of my car and yeah, oh fuck, wait a minute. Ah, in the trunk of my car and yeah, oh fuck, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Oh, in the trunk of my car, lindsay, that's fucked up, bro. Lindsay, lindsay, yeah, you might need to delete that asshole.
Speaker 1:I am not deleting that. That was accidental Completely, you guys. He's laughing into the plant again. That was accidental Completely, you guys. He's laughing into the plant again. What we do here is we have a drink and talk about I don't want to talk about it and talk about true crime, and we plug a band at the end that we're digging and we think you should listen to and my ultimate goal every week is to break. Jesse, you got me now.
Speaker 2:The fuck Lindsay.
Speaker 1:So what made you feel old this week? Casey ass fucking.
Speaker 2:Anthony made me feel old. You know what I named hemorrhoids.
Speaker 1:Casey, I named him.
Speaker 2:Anthony's feel old you know what I name hemorrhoids casey anthony's. I name him anthony's. There was this dude that went fishing with us one time and his name was anthony.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna tell this one, okay I'm gonna drink we're a hundred miles offshore fishing and this dude, he's sitting sideways. He's in the boat eight foot seas. If you know what eight foot seas are, you've seen five. The worst you've ever seen was five. Eight foot seas and a hundred foot boat and he's sitting sideways. He's just like dude. I can't move. He had to go to the hospital afterwards.
Speaker 1:He had the biggest Is that why you call them Anthony's?
Speaker 2:I do call them Antoine's.
Speaker 1:So Jesse has called we have special names.
Speaker 2:We call them Antoine's or Twan's or Anthony's or.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I always thought that was weird, but I've never heard that story until just now.
Speaker 2:Okay, so check this out.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know what, though it made sense. I'm like okay, your hemorrhoids are in, anthony, okay.
Speaker 2:For 12 hours dude sitting sideways. He went to the hospital afterwards. That's fucking terrible. Well, okay, so that was Saturday, but the Friday before that one. Okay, the superintendent over maintenance right, told him to put. What did he tell him to put? It was icy hot on that. He said it would draw it up. He's over there in the paint booth no, it's preparation h screaming, screaming, ungod wrenching, and he's like I'm not gonna miss this fishing trip.
Speaker 1:So he went on the work fishing trip we had you know, when I was growing up and I would see hemorrhoid commercials about the tux pads, like I never understood until.
Speaker 2:That makes it worse, though I tried them.
Speaker 1:Oh tux, You're trying to tuck that shit back up there.
Speaker 2:Old people this is TMI here. I'm old and have experienced such things.
Speaker 1:This is what made us feel old. We're talking about fucking hemorrhoids. Casey Anthony's Casey Anthony's yes.
Speaker 2:So what makes you feel old there, Miss Lindsay?
Speaker 1:You know there's a couple of things this week. So, after our anniversary weekend of nothing but alcohol and fried food God, it was so good, though I could not get out of bed Monday morning. I commend you, sir, for being able to get up and go like you did. I could not get out of bed Monday morning, it was. I felt like I had the flu, like it was just on you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you couldn't overcome. I felt terrible.
Speaker 1:About 10 o'clock Y'all. I never sleep past seven. Today was eight o'clock but it was the weekend. But during the week my body automatically gets up by 6, 30 or 7 at the latest and now you know I've been late to work.
Speaker 2:You know why I've been late.
Speaker 1:Oh, god, yeah, so yeah, fried food and booze made me feel old this week trailer park was good, oh so good yeah, if you're in saint augustine, go eat at trailer park yeah, and watch our uh video.
Speaker 2:We just put a video out on youtube so you can check that out and see our adventures yep it's really cool. It's really cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool cool. I can't do it right now. I gotta get more drunk. You're fucking dropping casey anthony on me, though I am so because she made her debut on tiktok so she has a tiktok and her old shit.
Speaker 1:Oh, the internet has shut her. The fuck down they should god, nancy grace came out of nowhere again because that bitch was screaming at us about her nonstop for years. But yeah, so everyone knows this case, even you.
Speaker 2:I know about it, yeah.
Speaker 1:But somehow you were oblivious to the outcome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think is she still in prison.
Speaker 1:Oh, jessie, what Sweet summer. Jesse, what Sweet summer child, let's get into the story. Are you ready?
Speaker 2:She ain't still in prison because I'm over here like how the hell has this chick got TikTok?
Speaker 1:Oh, sweet, sweet Jesse, she's not incarcerated right now. Jesse, you're going to have to wait until I tell the story. Hello listeners, I know y'all know all about this shit because we watched it all unfold.
Speaker 2:Lansi yeah, You're looking at me like you got oh, go ahead. Well, shit's safe I'm happy though.
Speaker 1:I'm happy that you don't know the outcome, because I get to fuck your world up which is what I love to do on this pod.
Speaker 2:It's not fair. This ain't fair.
Speaker 1:Wait till the next one. Oh dude, I'm not done. You're gonna think casey anthony is a saint when I talk about the next bitch, but we're on casey anthony today okay, okay, okay, okay. But let me hang on, shit's sake, let me drink some more yeah, all right, we're both gonna have another drink of our gin and time I don't even drink this much at mo, I'm okay.
Speaker 2:I'm going because fuck. Okay, go, yeah, all right. Well, bert's going to have another drink of our gin and tonic. I don't even drink this much. Okay, I'm going because fuck.
Speaker 1:Okay, go by the way, you guys what? Happy Friday.
Speaker 2:Happy Friday oh yeah, yeah, I'm fucked right here. You kind of got me fucked, lindsay. I really am. I don't know what to do?
Speaker 3:I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2:I don't know what to do. What a ride. Oh my God, damn it.
Speaker 1:Lindsay. So Casey Anthony was born March 19th 1986 to George and Cindy Anthony in Warren, ohio. She had an older brother named Lee, who was born in 1982. That is the year of my birth and then they moved to Orlando, florida, in 1989. I will get um, I'm going to give a little bit more about George and Cindy a little later on, but just remember all of that. So they moved to Orlando in 1989. Right, george had been a police officer and detective in Ohio and then would work a bunch of different security jobs in Orlando and Cindy was a nurse. George is something else, okay, but we'll get more into him a little later on. Casey is described as bright and popular throughout her childhood, but when she became a teenager she started to tell a lot of lies that's my bestie, casey, she's my bestie.
Speaker 1:How dare hey casey, and these were lies that wouldn't make sense and and I'm pretty sure that that's called a pathological liar.
Speaker 2:So she was constantly just telling stories the whole time. Could not get away from them.
Speaker 1:Her senior year was when she told her biggest lie thus far at that point of her life. She was preparing for graduation and accepting gifts and had a whole party planned when Cindy got a phone call the day before she was supposed to walk that she would not be graduating.
Speaker 2:Oh, here we go Telling the family that she was going to do it, but she ain't going to do it.
Speaker 1:Casey had known well in advance that she did not have enough credits to graduate and didn't do anything to obtain these credits.
Speaker 2:Have we had that experience with us before? We have, but at least we knew before the day yeah, but for a kid to like spend all that time all the way up to graduation, and then something fuckery happened yeah, ladies and gentlemen, if they are 18 years old in their senior year, the school don't tell you shit.
Speaker 2:We know from experience, we didn't know and we had a kid that just didn't make it and we bought shit. We was like gonna have this big party for him and all this stuff. Then, all of a sudden, oh, like a month before, we did get a month's notice. And Landon's not going to graduate and I'm like what? What? No way, and we thought he had it. Something happened, I don't really know what happened.
Speaker 1:Well, he decided to switch schools because he was an adult when he started his senior year. He decided to switch schools to be closer to his girlfriend and go to school with his girlfriend, so he did not get the credits that he needed, just like her. But you should have known, but they told him. The day that they told him is when we knew Really. Yes, that was the day.
Speaker 2:Oh how organized that was Right. A month before you were supposed to make up two credits before. Was it two credits? How many credits? Was it Three, three, what the fuck, dude?
Speaker 1:But Casey.
Speaker 2:Was nowhere close.
Speaker 1:She was the day before this shit was supposed to go down. So, Cindy found out the day before and instead of canceling the party and letting people know that Casey had been lying, Cindy went along with it and said the school messed up and that's why she couldn't walk.
Speaker 2:I feel like these kids need a little bit more guidance and parents are left in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not know, we not knowing the school, even if they are an adult, if they're addressed and still is known as still living at home with the parents. The parents still need to know even though they're a legal adult. They're still living with us. We didn't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but go ahead. I never got a phone call ahead with this flap trap over here. We didn't know. Yeah, but go ahead, because I never got a phone call. Go ahead with this flap trap over here, man, god damn dude.
Speaker 1:So Casey did get her GED but continued to live with her parents, and in January of 2005, casey was around 19 and had dated a guy named Jesse Grund. Yes, she dated a Jesse.
Speaker 2:Oh, I wish I had a Jesse's girl, never mind.
Speaker 1:Not long after Cindy noticed she was putting on a little weight in her midsection, so her parents did ask her if she was pregnant, and she was like no, I'm still a virgin, okay.
Speaker 2:Lying again, oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1:Jesse was not her first boyfriend at all. She had had several.
Speaker 2:Never me.
Speaker 1:But this one, I'm guessing, was the first one that she was like really serious about and brought home to mom and dad. She would keep telling this lie until she was around seven months and once again Cindy would go along with the lie, saying that it was water weight. Like yeah, they went to a family event.
Speaker 2:So was she.
Speaker 1:I mean not to say, she's a very tiny, petite woman.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's where I'm going.
Speaker 1:That's where I'm going, so no matter what she's going to show Like there was a cousin who was like so there was a cousin who was like she showed up to our family event.
Speaker 2:What a dummy.
Speaker 1:With a little snug top on and she clearly had a belly and her belly button was protruding out.
Speaker 2:So Hello, that's water weight, girl, that's water weight. That's water weight, girl, that's water weight. I'm on this new diet.
Speaker 1:Do not make fun of me.
Speaker 2:I'm on this new diet called Dick Down.
Speaker 1:I'm on this new diet called dick down. I'm on it all, okay I'm. I'm gonna reference mean girls. I'm on an all carb diet.
Speaker 2:Okay, she's eating the fuck out of them candy bars is butter a carb.
Speaker 1:And they even kept the pregnancy from her brother lee until two days before casey gave birth. Two days, two days. Why you? Why you? I'm gonna get into it. This is a fucked up family, jesse.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm sweating, so just have that.
Speaker 1:I'm sweating. Have that in your mind. This is a fucked up fam. I am Okay, I miss the gin. So on August 9th 2005, casey gave birth to Kaylee Anthony, and Cindy would be the first to hold her and would say it's like having Casey all over again.
Speaker 2:Cindy's fucked up too it's fucked up family, but it's precious Like at this moment.
Speaker 3:Oh, it is.
Speaker 2:It's precious it is, it's like you have to back up and embrace that moment in human nature well, and also I mean, people can be shitty ass people well, also I need to say this as well, okay go ahead, casey had wanted to give the baby up for adoption beforehand she was just like okay, I'm gonna deny this like no, she was disassociating the whole pregnancy.
Speaker 1:This was unwanted from the start.
Speaker 2:Was she even still with dude at this time?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she was still with Jesse, but let me get on into that Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Okay, let me keep going. I'm wanting to just fuck Lindsay Lindsay.
Speaker 1:So Jesse was presumably the father, but Casey would also say that Kaylee's father was Jesus Ortiz and he had died in a car accident before she met Jesse, which makes sense if you do the math.
Speaker 2:So there's another rooster in the in-house, but he's no longer. What, but she?
Speaker 1:also said that the father was this guy named Eric Baker what, who also died in a car crash. But eric, she didn't know him. She had for real dated. Jesus, you cannot flip me this much shit this early in the game.
Speaker 1:Oh listen, oh it's it's just gonna be one after another already like I said, she, she actually dated j Jesus, but she didn't know Eric, so it is speculated that she just kind of picked his name out of an obituary. Yeah, in one of her more recent interviews which I watched, it was a three-parter. I'm not that callous.
Speaker 2:She was listed as a producer on this fucking series as well. Yeah, oh, she lied about her credentials and her skills. It was hard to watch.
Speaker 1:It was hard to watch because it was all her and people that advocated for her I'm sick to my stomach yeah, I was sick to my stomach watching I am right now so she wait a minute, okay, go ahead so, like I said in recent interviews, she would say that kaylee was actually a product of rape, that she had went to a house party and only had two beers before she passed out and she had been drugged and woke up without clothes on. But the paternity of Kaylee is actually still a mystery to this day.
Speaker 2:Really they have not found anybody. Did they dig up dude and get something on him to see if it?
Speaker 3:was Jose's.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I haven't found that in my research.
Speaker 2:I'm not 100% sure. I'm sorry, jesus, jose Jesus.
Speaker 1:Jesse did ask Casey to marry him, and they did get engaged.
Speaker 2:So he's trying to stand up? Okay, but he was under to stand up.
Speaker 1:Okay, but he was under the impression for a little while that he was the father.
Speaker 2:Really, did she tell him that I'm?
Speaker 1:not 100% sure how it went down. Casey in her interview says that she let Jesse assume that he was the father.
Speaker 2:She never did tell him this or that Right All the way up to.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of just how do you be that vague, hush, hush type shit in this?
Speaker 2:case and it's really. Oh, I'm usually callous to this bullshit and I am pissed oh baby, I'm not even past the first page. So let's, let's keep going but you haven't talked about childhood. Kid shit. This is, she's grown she's grown I'm going to go backwards in a little while I don't know what happened to her as a kid, let me let me usually come back to that, okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, it's the, it's the gin so casey gets a nanny for kaylee named zenaida fernandez gonzalez, nida Fernandez Gonzalez, or aka Zanny, the Nanny. Zanny, the.
Speaker 2:Nanny, I like that.
Speaker 1:She found out about her through an ex-boyfriend named Jeffrey, and remember Jeffrey. Okay, Jeffrey and Zanny also watched his son and supposedly she was paying for both his son's and Kaylee's care.
Speaker 2:And got a son-in-law named Jeff. We were doing the mic check to that earlier. Yeah to, I'm ADD today. I'm on 10, dude, y'all got me, y'all got Jesse on 10. And Jesse's involved.
Speaker 1:So in the beginning to outsiders and friends, casey seemed like a really good mother. She was calm and attentive, Never let anyone smoke around her Because let's remember casey's young and she did have young friends, so they were smoking, drinking, you know, partaking in the ganja she's still a child to me yeah, yes, and casey was not really the party girl that she was later made out to be.
Speaker 1:She would kind of take her kid along with her to hang out at friend's house, and just because you're at your friend's house doesn't mean a party's happening but she had to be because I was a young mom and I would just go over and watch golden girls with my friends, you know who this one of the three dads was like I said, this doesn't always mean a party is happening.
Speaker 1:Casey's friends say that she was almost always the designated driver and would scold her friends for smoking pot and even, like one friend which will come up a little later on, he would say that like she would do flashcards with Kaylee. Like you know, like she was, she was a good mom, she was doting, she was trying to teach her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, y'all, don't fire that up. The kid's in the back seat.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh God. But she was still a pathological liar. For two years she had everyone convinced that she worked for Universal Studios as an event planner. Look at her and I don't understand this, because how do you keep that lie for two years? Where's the money, girl? Where's the money? We need receipts. She was coming home. She was living at home. Cindy and George are still paying for fucking everything.
Speaker 2:I need my receipts.
Speaker 1:She did work for them for a very brief time, but she continued this lie for two years. So she would leave five days a week and pretend that she was going to work. She would send herself fake emails like she had this facade down pat. She had it down to a science. Okay, it would have been easier to get an actual fucking job than to keep up this lie. Like it had my head spinning at the tails that she would spin Literally, I had to take a drink. I'm just quiet dude. She would pretend to be stressed out about being a single working mom for her friends and family and even took her mother to a supposed meeting that she was having with a co-worker, but that co-worker couldn't make the meeting. And guess what? She named this fake co-worker.
Speaker 2:Really. Juliette Lewis, juliette Lewis, juliette Lewis, juliette Lewis.
Speaker 1:Juliette Lewis, our girl from what's our movie With Quentin Tarantino and Salma Hayek? Oh, from Dusk Till Dawn. Yeah, the blonde what? Yeah the girl that she's in the chick band? We just saw her at Megacon last year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we did, we watched her panel. We did, we did, we did watch her. Yes, we did go and watch her.
Speaker 1:That was the name that she came up with Juliet, motherfucking Lewis. Yes, but I love Juliet Lewis oh we love Juliet Lewis.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:Remember her in old school where she was like the fucking sex-craved wife of Luke Wilson. She was like there's nothing wrong with me, okay? Oh, my god, I love Juliette Lewis. What's eating, gilbert Graves? She's been in some amazing Natural.
Speaker 2:Born Killers.
Speaker 1:Natural Born Killers. She's been in some great fucking films. I will be covering the true story that that movie was inspired by.
Speaker 2:You know, when we were sitting in that panel, I pictured her in that rv and I was just like how fucked up is quentin tarantino to make these scenes in this?
Speaker 1:oh, quentin tarantino is fucked. Remember the whole joke during covid where it was like that's tna tintin quarantino tintin.
Speaker 2:I love his stuff, but he is fucked.
Speaker 1:I love how everything he makes the killing scenes and the gunshot wounds and shit are just so they're on 10. Yeah, Everything.
Speaker 2:10.
Speaker 1:You shoot somebody with a shotgun and you blow the fuck up All the way, all the fucking way. Django, that's a fucking.
Speaker 2:That's a Quentin Tarantino movie, and then Once Upon a Time in Hollywood that we just watched. Oh God that was so good.
Speaker 1:Imagine if that had been the actual outcome of the Manson family shit.
Speaker 2:You're not fucking Juliette Lewis bitch.
Speaker 1:Yes, and you don't know her. How dare you? Yeah, she was nice. Yeah, she was very nice, she was very cool. So there was a DNA test done around 2006 and Jesse was not the father and this devastated him and he did break off their engagement, but they still stayed in contact and we'll talk about that later on. So on June 16th 2008, cindy left at 7am for work as usual. Casey got up, made Kaylee's breakfast, but she wasn't feeling really well. Casey got up, made Kaylee's breakfast, but she wasn't feeling really well. So she says that she brought Kaylee back to the room to lay down with her and George would leave later on that day, around I think it was 1.30. I forgot to type that in my notes Between noon and 1.30, somewhere in there. Well, later that night, casey would meet up with her new boyfriend around 7 pm. His name was Tony Lazzaro and he and Casey had met on either Facebook or MySpace. Both were still dominant at this time. This was 2008.
Speaker 2:Onto the next lily pad.
Speaker 1:Facebook was new and MySpace had been a thing for a while. Hop, hop. Casey would usually bring Kaylee along with her to Tony's house, but this night she was alone. They rented a couple movies from Blockbuster. I remember that. I remember those days Blockbuster was great. So, out of character, casey decided that she would also smoke some weed with Tony and his roommate Clint. Before that she was like anti-Marijuana.
Speaker 2:Okay, or she said she was.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, other people that she hung out with said that she was as well, like all her.
Speaker 2:So she was trying to impress the new, the new rooster.
Speaker 1:Well, from June 16th.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, I mean there's a new guy and she's like I'll talk with you, no Cool.
Speaker 1:From June 16th. Remember that, okay, okay, okay, all right, so she would smoke out with Tony and his roommate Clint. Now, tony and Clint were from Long Island and they were attending college in Orlando. What is that? Was it Florida State? No, not Florida. State University.
Speaker 2:Central Florida University, central Florida, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So four days later, Casey was at a bar. I think it was called Club Ultra.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a big one in Orlando. Yeah, she's doing it.
Speaker 1:So she was. She was there and she entered a hot body contest and this is where Tony and Clint would sometimes DJ and they were party promote.
Speaker 2:Oh, I got this hot body I'm going to hang out with my friends, anthony was.
Speaker 1:she was a smoke show.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm looking, I don't care, Not that I get back, fuck Back. Then she was, she was, she was small.
Speaker 1:She was petite and she snapped right back after having that baby. Okay, so they went by DJ Anonymous, spelled with an O, and DJ. Beatty Kasey had been telling her friends that her parents were getting divorced and she and Kaylee had to move out. And then she told some friends that they were getting divorced and she was going to have to take over the house.
Speaker 2:This whole time. Bitch ain't going to work, she ain't going to hold her head down and fucking do good shit.
Speaker 1:No, she told a lot of lies, yeah, so just remember that. Okay, but Kaylee wasn't with her this whole time, okay, and she just basically moved in with Tony and Clint. Casey would take care of the house and clean and cook and baby basically became like their little um, their little housewife. And as far as everyone was concerned, kaylee was either with Zanny, the nanny, or her parents, depending on who she was talking to. Casey kept a journal and after the hot body contest she wrote this entry. I completely trust my own judgment and I knew that I made the right decision. This is the happiest I have been in a very long time and I hope that my happiness will continue to grow.
Speaker 2:You're wiggling your head like a valley girl while you're saying that.
Speaker 1:Because I'm just picturing her writing it. You're all like what'm going? On bitch. Okay, so this journal entry was not dated, but it was presumed to be written on that day, which was five days after the last time Kaylee had been seen. On July 2nd, casey went to Cast Iron Tattoos and got a tattoo. This is famous as fuck of the words Bella Vita on her, her back, which means beautiful life. Contact with her parents had gotten scarce and at some point her and tony broke into her parents shed and stole, oh it's a beautiful life sorry.
Speaker 1:Okay. So her and Tony stole some gas cans because George had them stocked at all times, because Casey would often run out of gas and they would have to rescue her.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:She was a little damsel in distress. Oh, help me All the time.
Speaker 2:Help me. I'm beautiful and you got to do whatever I ask you.
Speaker 1:And this was all under the assumption that she had this badass job at Universal Studios. Okay, and this was all under the assumption that she had this badass job at Universal Studios. Okay, george actually called the police over this and nothing, nothing was done about it. And when they asked about Kaylee, when her parents asked about Kaylee, she was always with Zanny.
Speaker 2:Now, lee Casey's brother had took a ride in Casey's car around this time and he said it smelled faintly of death. You're fucking me up right now. I know this part.
Speaker 1:This part, casey would say that two squirrels had crawled into her engine and died. And I mean, I grew up on a farm and I would go out to my bus stop every day as a child and it was not uncommon to walk to that bus stop. That's the only smell that I can have associated with death is the smell of decaying animals. I don't know if a human smells the same way.
Speaker 2:Close.
Speaker 1:Okay, I've never smelled a dead human.
Speaker 2:You can associate that. Didn't have formaldehyde in them already? I have, unfortunately, okay, that've never smelled a dead human. You can associate that didn't have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can associate Formaldehyde in them already.
Speaker 1:I have, unfortunately. Okay, that's terrible. So she had told another friend who rode in the car with her that she had hit an animal and some of the remains had gotten stuck. So after a month A month Partying and posting about it Casey takes the car that she had been using down to, which was it was her parents car but they were letting her use it. She takes it down to like an amscot, like a check, a check cashing place, right, and she just decided to leave it there. It was running on fumes and she didn't want to spend her whole whatever paycheck she got. I think that this was one of which we'll talk about later. I think this was a stolen check from a family member.
Speaker 2:Why do you have me so fucking nauseated right now?
Speaker 1:Oh it's, you're going to be sick the whole time. So she abandons the car and after a while employees notice that said car has been in their parking lot for some time and calls to have it towed. It goes to the impound and then cindy and george are notified about the car and it was crazy how they even found out like the certified letter came to their house, and you know how they usually will either put them in your mailbox or they will post them on the front door I want to fucking just say it, because I already know it, cindy just happened to find it in the yard it had blown away.
Speaker 1:It's crazy.
Speaker 2:This has just got me wanting to fucking yell right now.
Speaker 1:So they're like, okay, why is our car impounded? And they go to get it out and try to figure out what's going on. George pays for it to get out and he walks with the impounded employee to go get it and they both open the door, or one opens the door, but they're both there a george and the employee and they smell something awful yeah like death I know already, george gets home and tells cindy just come.
Speaker 1:He's like, come smell this shit. And they pop up in the trunk and see that a trash bag and some other shit was in there and they just threw it away. They didn't look inside and see what. And Cindy uses an entire bottle of Febreze to get the smell out and she cleans the car but it doesn't really solve the problem. They left the car completely open to air it out and now they are more concerned about Casey and Kaylee and try to get a hold of Casey, with no luck. So they set out to find Tony's apartment to confront Casey. Cindy gets there and there are pipes and bongs and other drug paraphernalia. Everybody's getting high and this is early in the morning. We all know about waking and baking.
Speaker 3:This is a whole other level of waking and baking.
Speaker 1:But Cindy is concerned and she asks where the fuck is Kaylee? And Casey says she's with Zanny, and then Cindy will go on to make three 911 calls and here they are.
Speaker 3:Please just sound to be recorded. I can't help you. Thank you, hello.
Speaker 4:Hi, I drove to the police department here on Pershing but you guys are closed. I need to bring someone into the police department. Can you tell me where I can, the closest one I can come into?
Speaker 3:What are you trying to accomplish by bringing them to the station?
Speaker 4:I have a 22-year-old person that has Grand Theft sitting in my auto with me.
Speaker 3:So the 22-year-old person stole something.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:Is this a relative?
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:Where did they steal it from?
Speaker 4:My car and also money.
Speaker 3:Okay, is this your son?
Speaker 4:Daughter.
Speaker 3:Okay, so your daughter stole money from your car.
Speaker 4:No, my car was stolen. We retrieved it today. We found out where it was at. We retrieved it. I've got that and I've got affidavit for my banking account. I want to bring her in, okay.
Speaker 3:Where did all of this happen? Oh, it's been happening, I know but I need to establish a jurisdiction is what I'm trying to say, oh, I lived in Orlando. Yeah, but what address did these thefts occur at?
Speaker 4:Well, I guess, my residence, I guess.
Speaker 3:That's actually going to be in the jurisdiction of the Sheriff's Office ma'am not the. Orlando Police Department.
Speaker 4:All right.
Speaker 3:Let me transfer you over to the communications section for Orange County.
Speaker 4:Okay, Now is the Orlando Sheriff's Department the one on 436?. Is that open this afternoon, this evening?
Speaker 3:The substation you're at on Pershing. If it's Orlando Police, we're open primarily during the day.
Speaker 4:Uh-huh.
Speaker 3:But that's not the sheriff, that's city police, which does not have jurisdiction for your address.
Speaker 4:And then there's the sheriff's department on 436.
Speaker 3:Well, what I'm going to do is I'm going to transfer you to the sheriff's communications section, and you can determine that.
Speaker 4:Hold on.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of shit right here, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:She's calling her out on her shit.
Speaker 4:Because my next thing will be down the child thing and we'll have a court order together. If that's what you want to say, we'll do it and you'll never.
Speaker 2:Well then, mom's had enough, no.
Speaker 1:I'm not giving you another day At this point. Casey has told her that she's been missing for 31 days. Kaylee.
Speaker 2:Really she's had enough.
Speaker 4:What's happening. I have someone here that I need to be arrested in my home. They're there right now. I have a possible missing child. I have a three-year-old that's been missing for a month A three-year-old.
Speaker 2:A fucking month you reported that 31 days.
Speaker 4:I'm trying to do that now, ma'am, holy shit.
Speaker 4:Okay, what did the person do that you need arrested my daughter? For what? For stealing an auto and stealing money. I already spoke with someone. They said they would patch me through the Orlando Sheriff's Department, have a deputy here. I was in the car, I was going to drive her to the police station and no one's open. They said they would bring a deputy to my home. When I got home to call them, so she stole your vehicle. Yes, when did she do that? On the 30th? I just got it back from the impound.
Speaker 2:I'd like to speak to an officer. Sorry for the low audio. Everybody, Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, I've got to ask you a question so I can put them in. Sorry for the low audio.
Speaker 4:Everybody, it's the best we can do. It's a 911 call. Okay, how old is your daughter? 22. Say what's your name, my name, her name?
Speaker 1:Her name. It bleeps out her name for some reason, casey fucking.
Speaker 2:Antoine, antoine.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 4:I have the statement she's been partying Thin, medium or heavy build. Thin. Color hair Brown. What color shirt is she wearing? White. What color pants? Oh, they're short, they're clad. They're like pink and teal and white and black.
Speaker 1:That was very in style at that time 2008. Did she?
Speaker 4:have any weapons on her. No Plaid shorts. Is she not telling you where her daughter is Correct? Okay, we'll have a deputy out to you as soon as one's available. Okay, thank you. Thank you, bye, bye-bye.
Speaker 1:And then next will be the third call that she made.
Speaker 2:This is the third call here 911,.
Speaker 4:what's your emergency? I called a little bit ago the deputy sheriff's saying I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she's been missing. Okay, what is the address that you're calling from?
Speaker 2:So now she's starting to tell some shit.
Speaker 4:My daughter finally admitted that the baby's in the store, so now she's starting trying to find her herself. There's something wrong. I found my daughter's car today and it smells like this.
Speaker 2:In this situation.
Speaker 4:Okay, what is the three-year-old's name? Kaylee, c-a-y-l-e-e Anthony, kaylee, anthony, yes, okay. Is she white, black or Hispanic? She's white. How long is she white, black or Hispanic? She's white. How long has she been missing? For I have not seen her since the 7th of June. What is her date of birth? 8-9-2000. Oh God, she's three. She's 2005. So it's Karen missing, karen missing, karen, missing, karen, isn't it Karen? You've been standing in the corner a month ago. She's been listening to a month ago. Okay, I understand. Can you calm down for me for just a minute? I need to know what's going on. Okay, I'm going to try and talk. I'm going to try and talk. Is your daughter?
Speaker 5:there, I'm on the phone with talk. Is your daughter there?
Speaker 4:I'm on the phone with them. Is your daughter there? Yes, can I speak with her?
Speaker 1:Pay attention to how hysteric Cindy is Thank you and now listen to Casey.
Speaker 2:Why you got me in the seat. They're killing me, ma'am, ma'am.
Speaker 4:Okay, if they're hysterical, what they want to talk to you? Answer the question. Hello, hello, yes, hi there, she is. Can you tell me what's going on a little bit? I'm sorry. Can you tell me a little bit what's going on? My daughter's been missing for the last 31 days.
Speaker 3:Cool as a cucumber.
Speaker 4:And you know who has her. I know who has her. I've tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today. You don't fucking know.
Speaker 2:You know what happened? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4:She's no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute. Okay, did you guys call and report a vehicle stolen? She's acting like she stole a lot. Yeah, my mom did. Okay, so has there been a vehicle stolen too? No, this was my vehicle.
Speaker 4:What vehicle was stolen. It's a 98 Pontiac Sunfire. Okay, I have deputies on the way to you right now for that, but now your three-year-old daughter is missing. Kaylee Anthony White, female. Three years old. Eight, your three-year-old daughter is missing. Kaylee Anthony, yes, white, female. Yes, white, female. Three years old, 8, 9, 2005,. Her date of birth yes, and you last saw her a month ago, 31 days, some 31 days. Who has her? Do you have a name? Her name is Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. Who is that Babysitter?
Speaker 4:She's been my nanny for about a year and a half, almost two years. Why are you calling now? Why didn't you call 31 days ago? I've been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her. You've been parting your fucking ass off. Can you give me the name of the nanny again? Spell it out for me Zenaida Z-E-N-A-I-D-A. Last name Fernandez Fernandez, hyphen Gonzalez. I think the officers are here. The officers are there.
Speaker 1:Yes, All right. So, as you can tell from the 911 call, Cindy is now from the third one, in full-on panic mode because Casey in a in another room tells Lee that Zanny has taken Casey 31 days of where's my kid at? Right, so she overhears Casey telling Lee hey, the fucking babysitter has stolen Kaylee but she's been clubbing, living it up, just doing her fucking thing. So Cindy is in hysterics, as you can tell from the 911 call.
Speaker 2:I'm in hysterics.
Speaker 1:And I know I'm crying and Casey is like ugh, mother, you're so fucking dramatic. You know she didn't really want to talk and Casey says that the number she has for Zanny is no longer in service and that she had been allowed to talk to Kaylee that morning and she was fine. She would say that she had been receiving instructions from Zannie through MySpace on how to get Kaylee back and then she would get her back for good on Kaylee's birthday, which was coming up because it's in August. Police arrive and they get all the information on Zannie and they have Casey take them to where Zanny lives. They get to the apartment complex and guess what? Zanny's not there.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Nobody has lived in that apartment since March.
Speaker 2:Doesn't add up nothing.
Speaker 1:And nobody by the name of Zanetta Fernandez Gonzalez had ever lived there. They pulled surveillance cameras to see if Kaylee was on any of that, and there was nothing there wasn't. She had never fucking been there, right there was, casey hadn't been there. Yeah, nobody's been there.
Speaker 2:I'm doing my old man fucking thing with a cane right now I'm like fucking, fuck, son of a bitch. I'm so mad right now. I'm so mad right now I'm so mad.
Speaker 1:So police see that Casey is a big old fucking liar and they ask her more questions and start looking into her a little more. So of course you know I'm not nowhere near. Let me take a drink, lindsay, I'm empty.
Speaker 3:I need more here. Drink mine. I'm going to drink mine, are you sure? Yes, I'm going to drink mine, are you sure?
Speaker 1:yes, I'm going to drink my. I'm going to drink my seltzer, and get another one.
Speaker 2:You just dumped a whole shit load of shit on me and I can't.
Speaker 1:Maybe I ain't even dumped half on you okay. I'm drinking yours, then, and we're going to make another's, another's more mine so of course, like I said, she had had this job at Universal Studios and they look into that and they see that she's doesn't work there. Okay, they don't tell her that. They know that and they're like all right, take us to Universal.
Speaker 2:I'm still drinking over here, I'm just this is on body cam as well.
Speaker 1:You can see it in a few documentaries on youtube um, there's one on peacock, there's one on netflix, there's everything about case me. Anthony is out there and I know you guys probably already know the story, but seeing the shit in real time just makes it so much more real. Okay, so they go down to universal and she gets to security. She tells okay, so at first the desk guy is like nobody by your name works here, okay. And she says well, I need you to check again.
Speaker 2:So she's all the fucking way there with the lie in front of the cops yes trying to lie in? Trying to what? Does she think she's pretty enough to make this fucking thing work right here in front of them? Yes, trying to lie and trying to what? Does she think she's pretty enough to make this fucking thing work right here in front of this dude? You're gonna say that I work here, right. Hang on, look at my body, look at me.
Speaker 1:So I guess through because she was there with cops. The security ends up just let her go. So she's like, all right, I'll take you down to my office. And she's like waving at people like, hey Sue, hey Marge, how you doing, you're fucking kidding me right now. She's going down, going down and it's like a maze of offices.
Speaker 2:We've seen some of them. Marge is over there, like my name is.
Speaker 1:Cindy Bitch, who are you?
Speaker 2:My name is Lisa. I'm Snow White.
Speaker 1:My name is Ethel. What are you talking about? Oh, you're Universal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whatever dude, I'm working in the Harry Potter area.
Speaker 1:My name is, you know, Frank, so she takes him through like this maze of offices, because we've seen a little bit of what Universal looks like behind the scenes when they do the Halloween Horror Nights. It's like so Jesse and I got 18 month passes about five years ago and we were going all the time and we decided to do because with the premiere pass you get one night of halloween horror nights. So we go, we take the boys and we're waiting in line for these haunted houses, but they have everything moved, yeah we're out the backside lots and parking and the stuff.
Speaker 1:It's shit that you've never seen before, so it's wild, but you knew it was there.
Speaker 2:It was just that's behind the building, the facade. It's still like insane to see the behind the scenes. Shit yeah, the machine, yeah behind it.
Speaker 1:What is happening so?
Speaker 2:they're walking behind it.
Speaker 1:What is happening? They're walking and I just want to let y'all know that the what was it?
Speaker 2:the universal monsters house scared the actual living it made you feel like you were in black and white, didn't? It, oh, everything was black and white y'all, I was clawing at jesse's back house of a thousand corpses, though I didn't do that one, me and Silas were done. The tits. I loved that one.
Speaker 1:You and Landon went through that one, right, yeah, and me and Silas hung back for that one because we were still a little shook from the Universal Monsters house. Like Silas was freaked out, I was freaked out.
Speaker 2:We did it. I'm walking through House of a thousand corpses and I'm like casey anthony because I'm calling all their names and waving at them while they're trying to scare the piss out of me.
Speaker 1:So I guess I'm casey anthony too. Now, if silas hadn't been scared, I would have went through that one, because I know all the characters I know I love rob zombie films yes, it was.
Speaker 2:You would have loved it. You would go now. You would go now yeah because you can always hang on to my arm and beat the shit out of me while you're going through it. Jesse, why the fuck?
Speaker 1:Bam, bam, bam, you get me kicking ass, but that universe, because all the characters were so close to your face. That was intense, though.
Speaker 2:It was very intense. The classic horror shit was intense. It was really intense. Thousand thousand good time.
Speaker 1:I'm waving at everybody Like y'all are my buddies over here, and we had already done Killer Clowns from Outer Space.
Speaker 2:Love that shit.
Speaker 1:And Landon's like all right, they're going to pop up right here. And they pop up and I still scream Because he had watched the YouTube video on the whole show already.
Speaker 2:He knew the choreography, he was ready.
Speaker 1:But we love the Stranger Things house.
Speaker 2:Don't do that, guys, don't watch the videos?
Speaker 1:No, and I don't, because I want to be scared.
Speaker 2:You know that these people aren't. These are like level one houses. I call them levels.
Speaker 1:And Silas is fist bumping all the chainsaw guys on stilts.
Speaker 2:They're not going to touch you. We've done level three before, though.
Speaker 1:Dalton went with you guys too, dalton's there with us because he was like I'm not scared, I'm not gonna be scared.
Speaker 2:He was like level three that we did where they were actually kind of grabbing you and shit, that was a cool haunted house, that was in gatlinburg or pigeon forge. Where were we at? There was like a level three that we did and they were actually the haunted house that was in, uh, gatlinburg.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 2:I was like don't touch me.
Speaker 1:I have a child. You have a child, I have a child. I was using Silas as a human shield.
Speaker 2:Women and children.
Speaker 1:I have a child, all right, y'all we had to segue because we were over here crying and shit, I'm over. Okay, so she's taking them through all of these fucking offices and then they reach a dead end. She turns around and looks at them and said, okay, I lied, I don't worry.
Speaker 2:The whole fucking time. They should have known they were like this is bullshit, uh, bullshit.
Speaker 1:They already knew. They did know, but they wanted to see how far she would take it. Oh, they were just having fun, they were just having fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but there's still speculations of a child some fucking where that is not found.
Speaker 1:So Casey was arrested on July 16th 2008, and she was charged with child neglect, obstruction of justice and making false statements. Fuck. So Cindy is talking with police about how she had found the trash bag in the trunk and there was a box of pizza covered in maggots, and changing her original statement about how it smelled like death, and now it just smelled like rotting pizza. Yeah, so they're like, but rotting pizza and death.
Speaker 2:I have two different Is this fucking woman, not in fucking prison right now. You won't tell me I'm not going to tell you.
Speaker 1:But Cindy stuck with this story. As you can tell, she's already enabled several of Casey's lives, so she didn't call the cops on her. She did the right thing in that aspect, because God knows how the I don't even know. Okay, well, there comes a point. There's a breaking point right there, because God knows how the I don't, I don't even know.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, there comes a point, there's a breaking point right there. You have to do something. And where's this baby? You know, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because at that point she had stolen 31 days. She had stolen money from her grandmother who did press charges on her. She had stolen money from Cindy and who who knows who else. I I didn't get a lot of that information in my research, but this girl was living somehow for two years without any no income no income just her looks yeah
Speaker 1:and her amazing personality so the car was taken in for evidence and a dog trained in smelling decomposition he went nuts while smelling the trunk and there was also a staining situation that happened. So they tested that and it tested positive for decomposition and chloroform oh, she was trying to oh oh, there was also some hair that they dna tested and it was.
Speaker 1:It was either cindy casey or kaylee's. Well, it was untreated virgin hair as that of a child and had a decomposition band around it. Now there's a lot of science out there that I watched in documentaries that debunked that, because hair band decomposition on hair bands can actually be just if the hair had been plucked out.
Speaker 2:But there's no denying human ass decomp in the backs, in the trunk of a vehicle. There's no denying it. You can't get over it, you cannot. There's nothing that you can deny, right there.
Speaker 1:Well, the family computer was seized to be investigated as well, and Google searches were found on how to make yeah, yes, it was how to make chloroform. Cindy said oh, that was me, sorry. I was trying to look up chlorophyll because my dogs have been eating bamboo in the backyard and I wanted to make sure it wasn't going to harm them.
Speaker 2:Chlorophyll instead of chloroform, so she went the other way. She had to learn that for working at Universal they were doing something there.
Speaker 1:No, this was Cindy.
Speaker 2:Oh, cindy, that was saying she was making the search. Yeah, I'm just saying yeah.
Speaker 1:But it turns out Cindy wasn't even home when this Google search was made, and only one person was home, and that was Casey.
Speaker 2:Oh, so I was already new.
Speaker 1:So that search was made under Internet Explorer, and Internet Explorer was not used by young people anymore. By that point, we hadn't used Internet Explorer. What were we using, do you remember in 2008? Firefox.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right Now we're using Chrome mostly. Yeah, Chrome is me.
Speaker 1:Me too, so it seemed justifiable, because only older people used Internet Explorer.
Speaker 2:But if that was what pops up when you're on the computer. Well, that's what she's saying.
Speaker 1:She said she was searching chlorophyll and chloroform popped up and she just clicked on it out of curiosity.
Speaker 2:Bullshit, but it's in her car, dude.
Speaker 1:But Cindy wasn't even home.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:It wasn't. That's why I keep going back to who it really fucking was.
Speaker 1:But like I, said they only searched the Internet Explorer, they didn't search Firefox. So said they only searched the internet explorer, they didn't search firefox. So all right. So casey's in jail at this point and cindy and george go to visit. Cindy asked casey in jail hey, what does zanny look like?
Speaker 1:because at this point they still think that this person zanny has the baby right she said you know, I may have to pick her out of a lineup while you're in here. Casey was like god, mom, will you just leave me alone? And would not answer her. But then she did give her a description and she actually like, even describes her as a perfect 10. Like what? The who the fuck says that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so she was like half half uh, fucking disgusting, I know she was half black, half puerto rican, perfect 10, and she was 25 years old. Yeah so, but casey, all that she was really concerned about. If you hear her jail calls, I did not pull them up because fucking twat yeah, she actually. All she was really worried about is getting Tony's phone number.
Speaker 2:You're going to make me see this. I'm going to say the C word she never asked about her daughter.
Speaker 1:She was a see you next Tuesday all day long.
Speaker 2:I'm going to drop a C word in this one. I'm going to drop it.
Speaker 1:All she was really concerned about was getting Tony Lazaro's phone number.
Speaker 2:Like a fucking Irishman, like the Irish beaver on your Bucky shirt. Right now I'm going to drop the C word.
Speaker 1:Bucky the beaver he's my best. So we were in Helen, georgia. What was this three years ago, when we got these?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we bought matching Bucky shirts Me, jesse and Silas, because we went up to Helen that year, yep and we back.
Speaker 2:On the way up, so I'm wearing it today Okay.
Speaker 1:So there actually was a real Zenaida Gonzalez, not Zenaida Fernando hyphen Gonzalez. But there was a real Zenaida Gonzalez, but no Zanny the Nanny and the real Zenaida actually filed a defamation lawsuit against Casey. Because how dare you, casey?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hope her fucking TikTok brings enough money to pay her.
Speaker 1:So Cindy and George visit Casey and Jill again and tell her that it's being widely speculated that Kaylee is actually dead. And guess how Casey responds to this. Surprise, surprise, that was her fucking words.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh goodness.
Speaker 1:And Cindy asked her well, what do you think has happened to Casey? And she says you know what? She's not far and she's okay. So Casey hires a lawyer named Jose Bays who writes a letter to the police saying that Casey is cooperating and can we get her a bail. So the bail was set at $500,000 and Casey gets out with an ankle monitor to her parents' house.
Speaker 2:So this has got to be the best fucking lawyer since Johnny Cochran.
Speaker 1:I think he actually worked on that defense scheme.
Speaker 2:I may be wrong about that, so I mean honestly, how the fuck can you defend this?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:How do you defend this at all?
Speaker 1:Oh you're going to be so mad. Okay, so the media is at Casey Anthony's house or at the Anthony home 24-7 and the public is outraged. Casey would be arrested again for writing more bad checks and the parents boat or somebody I don't know if that was the parents actually, I'm sorry. Somebody posts bail for that and she's back home and she was actually arrested wearing a find Kaylee shirt that second time, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, she's on Her parents had gotten find Kaylee merch and they even had it like on a bass boat why you keep flipping me and when I tell you some shit. Later on you're gonna be like, how the fuck, why the fuck did they have a bass boat? But we're gonna save that for a little later, okay you're hitting me with some shit, lindsey, they're on.
Speaker 2:So she's all team baby now. And all right, she's playing her bullshit and there's, take a drink. I've well, I've done finished two of these fucking buckets over here, take a, take a sip, take a sigh I can't, I can't, okay, I will. I need more or a nap all I don't know, I'm not ready.
Speaker 1:On December 11th, kaylee had been missing since June. Okay, this is December 11th. A utilities meter reader named Roy Kronk found a human skull while he was out in the woods taking a pee break. He had actually first found this skull in August, but the report went uninvestigated. And reports say that it was three times that he made this call about this same fucking skull in the same fucking location, for fuck's sake. And finally, on December 11th, it was investigated and this was only about a quarter mile from the Anthony home, really, and this was only about a quarter mile from the Anthony home Really.
Speaker 1:The skull. It had duct tape around the mouth area no, lindsay and it was in a laundry bag. Well, it was in a trash bag that was around a laundry bag You're killing me and the remains had a Winnie the Po blanket wrapped around it. These were all items from the anthony home. The poo blanket had been from kaylee's bed set and the laundry back was a part of a pair that was sold and the other one was in the anthony Fell in the home Poo.
Speaker 1:On December 19th, it was confirmed that these were the remains of Kaylee Anthony.
Speaker 2:This is the worst oh bother I've ever had. This is so bad.
Speaker 1:So Casey is back to jail and this time is charged with first degree murder.
Speaker 2:Finally, fucking finally.
Speaker 1:The family is harassed daily and Cindy is sticking by her daughter, but, George, he wasn't doing very well with all of this shit at all In January 2009.
Speaker 2:Hang on, I'm gonna make some of this Vista.
Speaker 1:Bay in there with it.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's fizzy. You can hear it, do you hear that? Isn't it beautiful. I got to quit, dude. I got to break this shit. I know Pooh.
Speaker 1:Hold on.
Speaker 2:Go ahead.
Speaker 1:So in January 2009, george goes to a hotel room in Daytona and makes a cocktail of prescription pills and alcohol, and this is all an attempt to take his own life.
Speaker 2:Really he knows too. He's just like this is all an attempt to take his own life. Really he knows too.
Speaker 1:He's just like this is fucking garbage well, there was a wellness check, I assume made by cindy, and his stomach was pumped and he survived, of course, because he is in the. He actually wrote like a five page suicide note.
Speaker 2:All about how she had fucked up his life and the kid. I'm not 100% sure.
Speaker 1:But, like I said, we're going to dive a little more into George. I got to go a little bit later.
Speaker 2:What I want to know right now is how the fuck is she on TikTok, Lindsay? You won't tell me.
Speaker 1:I'm not not gonna tell you yet. I'm so sorry, so we're gonna fast forward to may 24th 2011 when the trial begins. This was as big as the oj trial, plus add in the social media era, and it's everywhere. I remember, wherever I went, that trial was on, and I forgot to mention this at the top of the episode when this all went down and Kaylee was missing. My bestie, cindy, has a daughter named Kaylee.
Speaker 1:And she called me just crying. She's like, have you heard about this and this and that? And that's when I started following it. And she's like I just this hurts my heart so much more because I have a daughter named Kaylee. Yeah, and my bestie's daughter was not much older than Kaylee Anthony.
Speaker 2:No, all that. I remember y'all having like we need to have a Cindy day.
Speaker 1:Yes, she's cool. Yes, and you know, I remember everywhere I went that trial was on. I mean, at home I was watching will and grace and golden girls reruns on loop, so I didn't keep up with it personally, but I saw things about it constantly on facebook I remember watching some of this shit too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I didn't because I wasn't at that time.
Speaker 1:I wasn't quite going to where I go now.
Speaker 2:I think it was a year later and it was on the tv I remember the trunk shit and I probably sped you up on some things over here and I'm I'm sorry but everybody already knew and speculated and it's. It's all right here already. This woman better be in fucking carcerated right now. Lindsay, I swear to God I'm gonna drop an elbow.
Speaker 1:Dude, we're going to wrestle if if elbow dude, we're going to wrestle. If she is not in prison, I swear to God we're going to wrestle. Like I said, it was talked about on Facebook and everybody at work was talking about this.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. I've lightened it up. You go because I'm ready again. I think.
Speaker 1:And because they were the grandparents, george and Cindy were able to sit through the whole trial, even though they were also witnesses, and that's usually not allowed. But they, even though they were also witnesses, and that's usually not allowed Um, but they were told from the get go that they were not allowed to show any emotion or they would be thrown the fuck out. Okay, so remember that if you're ever rewatching trials and this is very common in any judicial setting you're not allowed to show emotions.
Speaker 2:I feel like you shouldn't be there though.
Speaker 1:You can't just look at a trial and be like that motherfucker ain't showing no emotion, so they must be guilty or they must have done this. They must have done that. No, it's not allowed. You're not allowed to show emotion.
Speaker 2:Don't bring me to the gallery because I'm going to fucking yell. Dude, I'm going to be up in some shit.
Speaker 1:If you're on trial, sometimes the lawyers will give you sedatives and shit like that. So you won't naturally show emotion, really, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Just I'm here chilling, I'm on my Zanny.
Speaker 1:People wanted to be in this courtroom so bad that there was a daily lottery on who could get in. People were sleeping outside the courtroom, like back in the day how they used to wait on concert tickets and shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember seeing the wallet out front there.
Speaker 1:Yes, and there were full-on fistfights. If they didn't win that lottery, yeah, all right. In the trial, her lawyer, jose Baez, did not deny the fact that Casey was a liar. But she had become a liar because of the lies that she had to tell constantly to cover her family's transgressions. So at this point she's already trying to cover up things that she can't even tie together right, see Casey claims.
Speaker 2:And still to this day Like the Universal shit, you know.
Speaker 1:Still to this day, casey sticks by this story. Okay, that her father trigger warning raped her from the time that she was 8 until she was 12. Then she says her brother would sexually assault her until she was 15. Now she does say in an interview that he never raped her, but he assaulted her so there was feeling touching things like that, inappropriate things that should never happen between a brother and sister. She says that her mother was the breadwinner and her father barely worked. She says that her father had stolen 60 K from her mother's 401k and he lied constantly himself. And I have some side notes.
Speaker 3:We're going to need receipts.
Speaker 1:I'm like hold on hold on just a second. I need receipts, I need receipts.
Speaker 2:I'm like hold on, Hold on just a second. I need receipts, I need receipts.
Speaker 1:Lindsay. So here is a little more on George. When George was a cop in Ohio, cindy said that he needed to make some more money because he wanted her to stay at home with the kids and she had a degree she was an RN. But he wanted her to stay at home with the kids. And she had a degree, she was an RN, but he wanted her to stay at home. And so he went to work for his father, who had a car lot, but they didn't get along very well and he ended up actually shoving his father into a plate glass window and hurting him. So there was some strife there, some drama, yeah, and then some bad investments were made and the car lot was lost completely.
Speaker 1:Okay, so when they moved to Orlando, he starts getting, you know, like I said, security job after security job, he hurt himself twice. After security job, he hurt himself twice, and on the second time he hurt his knee bad enough that he needed extended rehabilitation. Well, during this rehabilitation he decides to get some credit cards in Cindy's name and maxes them out while gambling online.
Speaker 2:And then Some bullshit in the family coming out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so after Kaylee was born he received a big workers' compensation check for that injury. Now this compensation check was to help pay some past due bills and refinance their home.
Speaker 2:Not for gambling bitch.
Speaker 1:Because when they moved to Orlando Cindy actually did that on her own. She came down and got the house and the mortgage with a high interest rate because George had already damaged their credit. So she was hoping to refinance his home to get a lower rate with this compensation check. Well, due to his gambling bills, George was like oh, this bitch is already gone, this check is spent. Sorry, bro, yeah.
Speaker 2:Y'all got nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I just left y'all with nothing. Thanks, Dad.
Speaker 1:But Cindy was able to get a home equity loan, so basically she had two mortgage payments.
Speaker 2:So she is putting in all the fucking work and just holding her head down and pushing it to make it happen.
Speaker 1:But this caused them to split up for a while and when she looked into getting a divorce, it was told to her by an attorney hey, george is still entitled to half the house because you're married.
Speaker 2:Florida.
Speaker 1:And you're going to have to pay him alimony because you make more money than him.
Speaker 2:Florida yeah, that's Florida.
Speaker 1:So they reconciled and she used her 401k, her retirement, to pay off all the bills that they needed to be paid. And now she was stuck with two mortgage payments Plus taking care of Kaylee and Casey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mom was doing all of it, all the work and enabling at the same time, though.
Speaker 1:So. So in the trial, jose Baez, this was all stuff that Casey had told them and this is also in the interviews that I watched on I think it was Peacock and YouTube where she would say that the day that Kaylee went missing, that she had got up, made breakfast for Kaylee and she wasn't feeling very well and she went to lay down with Casey I said that previously in the episode and she was awakened by George who said where is Kaylee? He shook her awake and said where is Kaylee? So they start looking for her frantically and then George appeared with Kaylee's soaking, wet, limp body screaming you did this. What is your mother going to think? Basically, saying, this is what the defense was saying that this was an accidental drowning and that George had disposed of the body.
Speaker 2:That's a fucking lie. She put him in the fucking trunk.
Speaker 1:So supposedly Casey did not know what to do and she didn't know what he did and he just made her believe that everything was going to be okay If she left the home.
Speaker 2:And she can just forget about it.
Speaker 1:You're good Go on what. And after that is when she went to stay at Tony's, and then she says she was in constant contact with her father and he made it seem that Kaylee was fine, but she wasn't allowed to be around her Per his instructions.
Speaker 2:That's bullshit, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's all just a fucking. It's still a mystery and her cell phones actually back this up. But she did. She was in constant contact with george daily yeah, but what were they saying, you know? She was calling but it doesn't.
Speaker 1:but it doesn't matter. As far as her mother was concerned, she hadn't heard from her in 30 days. Yeah, it's still so. Of course George denies the rape allegations and the fact that he disposed of Kaylee's body, so the prosecution could not produce enough evidence to actually pin the murder on her. But their theory was that she had chloroformed Kaylee, duct taped her airways and wrapped her in the blanket and put her in the laundry bag. Yeah, because you wanted to go fucking party Then stuffed her.
Speaker 1:What it fucking is. Lindsay Then stuffed her in the trunk and then the body started to smell.
Speaker 2:Decomp yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's when she took the body to the woods and then the body started to smell Big comp. Yeah, that's when she took the body to the woods and then abandoned her car. That was the prosecution's theory and I think it's pretty close to the truth.
Speaker 2:I think it's very accurate. How can you not put the vehicle with the baby?
Speaker 1:That smelled like this how can you not?
Speaker 2:And they could not get the smell. What the fuck is? What else is it? Lindsey? We're fighting, dude, we're wrestling.
Speaker 1:I swear to god cindy's theory is that I'm gonna fight you, but I'm gonna wrestle you.
Speaker 2:Let's do that, that leg wrestle thing where you lay on your back and you hold your legs up no, no, you hurt your toe earlier.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So Cindy's theory is that Kaylee did accidentally drown and Casey freaked out and got rid of the body. George thinks that Casey was giving Kaylee Xanax because she would sleep for like 12 to 15 hours at a time and would wake up with dark circles under her eyes. And what's the street name for Xanax?
Speaker 2:Zanny, zanny, yeah, zanny was the nanny. I almost wanted to do that, but I didn't.
Speaker 1:I was just he thinks that Casey accidentally overdosed her and then disposed of her body.
Speaker 2:Where's the chloroform coming to fucking play?
Speaker 1:Okay, so this is what happened with the chloroform theory. So your body, when it's decomposing.
Speaker 2:It produces that. It produces chloroform, you're right.
Speaker 1:So that is where, when they tested the trunk oh you're right, I'm rubbing my eyes and I'm just.
Speaker 2:I need another bucket of this shit over here to drink.
Speaker 1:I'm almost done, I'm rubbing my eyes and I'm just. I need another bucket of this shit over here. I'm almost done.
Speaker 2:I'm going to drink what I was left.
Speaker 1:So the prosecution thought that this was an open and shut case. So they didn't do enough work.
Speaker 2:Nobody it's it's done to me. She should fucking be rotten right now, lindsay is she fucking in prison. Is she in prison? Lindsay is to me. She should fucking be rotting right now. Lindsay, Is she fucking in prison? Is she in prison, Lindsay, Is she fucking in?
Speaker 1:prison. The defense painted a better picture and brought up way more reasonable doubt, and on July 5th, after 10 hours and 40 minutes of deliberation, the jury found Casey Anthony not guilty of murder.
Speaker 2:I don't care if you got a hurt toe or not. Dude, we're wrestling. She got some satisfaction out of it. I'm going to say the C word, dude, I'm going to say it See you next Tuesday, see you all the way to unt.
Speaker 1:She got time served for her misdemeanor charges and was set free 10 days later, on July 17th 2011.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say aunt, with a C in front of it.
Speaker 1:Now the jurors, their names began to get revealed and they started receiving death threats, threats. But the jury does say that if the prosecution had showed them actual evidence of kaylee actually being murdered, they would have. But they didn't. They didn't have any evidence that she was actually murdered because her body had been so decomposed and water from the swamp.
Speaker 3:Here it's florida it's in the back of the car, motherfucker. It doesn't matter, it's in the back of the car motherfucker, it doesn't matter, it's in the back of the car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there it is you hiding a body and riding it around until it fucking decomposes in the back of your car is good enough to me it didn't, they couldn't.
Speaker 1:Who the fuck is this?
Speaker 2:jury. I'm going to wrestle them.
Speaker 1:But you know that it was actually said in the trial by a neighbor that Casey had borrowed a shovel from them and tried to dig holes in three different spots but couldn't because of the roots, and his neighbor testified to this and her cell phone records show that on the day that Kaylee went missing that she called Jesse Grund the guy that she convinced was Kaylee's father, tony Lozaro and her mother six times in a row. So it is speculated that she called her mother six times as a alibi situation.
Speaker 1:Acting like she had tried to contact or that she had actually accidentally overdosed, her or kaylee had accidentally drowned and she called her six times in a row, freaking out.
Speaker 2:So this cunt wanted to fucking party and was putting her kid to sleep and her kid passed away from it. She threw her in the in the trunk so she could go and party and just said, oh, just forget about that, That'll be alright, For you know. Enough days for her to decompose in the trunk and then bury her and be like oh, my car stinks too much, I can't party anymore. Let me get rid of the car.
Speaker 1:I do think that the prosecution's theory was correct. I don't think chloroform was involved. I do believe Xanax was involved. Once you was correct. I don't think chloroform was involved.
Speaker 2:I do believe xanax. Once you said that. It makes sense to me. I do believe the xanax was involved and that bitch had the nerve to make up the name xanny the nanny, because xanny was the fucking nanny.
Speaker 1:Oh exactly, come on, dude. Because, as you know, we've raised a child together and I've had four I'm very off. Two and a half to three-year-olds do not sleep for 13 to 15 hours.
Speaker 2:They don't Spend time with your kids. Dude, be a better human-ass being. And this bitch is still fucking.
Speaker 1:Or her mother could have just let her go through with her wishes as to give that baby up for adoption.
Speaker 2:That would have been way better off. There's so many people wanting to have a beautiful child.
Speaker 1:Now it is said because Casey got hit with all kinds of lawsuits afterwards and she went bankrupt because she couldn't pay Jose, she couldn't pay the people that were suing her for defamation.
Speaker 2:There's no ruptured bank.
Speaker 1:The bitch ain't never worked, I know. So it is said that she paid her lawyer bills with some sexual favors.
Speaker 2:Of course she would.
Speaker 1:She probably has her only fans, like like that's an affidavit, let's find, let's find her only fan like a man literally says I heard jose baez.
Speaker 1:I'm disgusted as fucking human being right now a man literally says in an affidavit that he heard jose baez say you owe me three fucking blowjobs, and saw casey naked and giggling in his office Now after, of course, she had death threats on her immediately after she was released. So she went to live in a church sanctuary for a while and then that was found out. So she actually has lived and worked for a member of her defense council for the last listen here, women.
Speaker 1:Uh, what's it been was 2011 for like 14 years now women and that's what she's talking about in her tiktok. She has literally been a pi and worked for a pi firm since 2011 listen here is legit.
Speaker 2:I want to say this out of dude's perspective.
Speaker 1:Pat McKenna, I think, is the name.
Speaker 2:I keep saying women and I'm not trying to call you know people can have their freedom and do whatever the fuck they want to make money in, but if that's the only thing you have going for you in life, you're a piece of shit to me.
Speaker 1:And also I want to say this Women, if you get pregnant and you do not want that child, do what you can Do what is legal to not have that child in your life. And mothers of teens who get pregnant unexpectedly respect their wishes.
Speaker 2:It's not like we're living in the 60s y'all.
Speaker 1:You cannot force a person to become a mother if they do not feel that they have the mental capacity or the character traits in their self to be able to do that.
Speaker 2:Don't force it on and it may be the st augustine distillery brewery over here fucking with me right now, but I just I agree completely with you and I'm glad we're on the same page right here. I really am. Don't do it. There's so many avenues, there's fucking thousands of avenues to you that you can facilitate a human being way better off. If you don't want that human being, don't put them on fucking Xanax and then throw them in your trunk.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to say, as a person, I don't think that I am the best mother in the world, but I try very hard and all my kids, every single one of them were accidents but I wanted them. There was never a doubt in my mind that I didn't want to take care of this child.
Speaker 2:It's got to be the most selfish, self-centered human being I've ever heard of in my life, right here.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, her parents had a big part in that shit too.
Speaker 2:They enabled.
Speaker 1:Enabled. Yeah, If your daughter comes to you and says I want to give my baby up for adoption, have her do all the therapy and shit during her pregnancy to make sure that's the right decision. You can do that. There is free services for that. But let her give it up for adoption.
Speaker 2:So many avenues, yeah, thousands of avenues, not just adoptions. There's so many different ways. There's so many different ways. There's so many different things. You know you can do so much.
Speaker 1:Oh, and one thing I wanted to mention also the death penalty was sought out to begin with and it was presented to Casey and they made a plea deal for her to admit her guilt to where she would get 20 years, and she turned that out.
Speaker 1:She said that she would rather be on death row fighting for her innocence than actually pleading guilty to the death of her daughter. She would also share because when she went to jail she went straight to solitary confinement and she would tell a cellmate or not? So solitary confinement, you don't have anybody in the cell with you, but they're on the same block. So she would start correspondence with this other person that was also in solitary confinement under the fucking jail when she was in solitary confinement.
Speaker 1:She would say that the memories of her abuse would become more vivid. And that's when she spoke out to an advocate, because when you're I mean when you're on trial, you you get, you know, all the things that you need to help paint the picture of why you did something or why something happened, or why you may be innocent. You know, and, um, there are psychologists that do agree that she was abused, but she was not. They didn't. They said that she wasn't like mentally ill, she was fit to stand trial, and all that because obviously she was there.
Speaker 2:I feel like there's some dirt there her family is shady as fuck.
Speaker 1:There's some dirt, yeah and maybe that's why all this is all being tucked away and just let it fly, she fucking because I mean even with kid fucking xanax, okay, so I just gotta tell you, in the opening statements that jose Baez presented, he literally said this is quote she would have her father's penis in her mouth in the morning and then have to go play with her friends at school at the age of 13. First of all, you're 13 years old. You're not playing with friends. You're you're. You're in your emo period at 13,. Most of the time, or you're a cheerleader, you got either one. You're either in your goth emo grunge stage, like we were. We were in our grunge stage at 13. You can't.
Speaker 1:This is like one of those very weird and weird, but he never, ever presented that again in the rest of the trial when, when George was on the stand, what he did, what Jose did, was make him read pieces of his suicide note, but he never asked him about the sexual abuse allegation.
Speaker 2:He thought he was on the way out. So whatever he put on that note, was it? He thought he was done. But I'm just saying after the opening statements.
Speaker 1:Jose never talked about the rape again.
Speaker 2:He didn't find anything else. It was all bullshit because she was lying her fucking ass off.
Speaker 1:I don't know there's. It's a mystery.
Speaker 2:But the lies, though, are just like I said.
Speaker 1:The jury said that there was not any evidence that Kaylee was actually murdered, and there wasn't.
Speaker 2:I want to know from everybody that's heard all these words today, she's? The most hated woman in the world and she's out and she's doing her shit because at this point now you haven't dropped this bomb.
Speaker 1:She's one of the most I'm going to talk about it you haven't dropped this fucking bomb yet. She's not in fucking prison, yeah, and she dropped this fucking bomb, yet she's not in fucking prison. Yeah, and she's on tiktok now. I mean, everybody else knows that, but you, jesse I'm dropping an elbow. Okay, I'm not gonna say she's the most hated the the one of the other most hated I'm gonna talk about next week oh, next week there's another one, that's, I have to get in the seat again about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're gonna talk about some doomsday shit next week.
Speaker 2:I'm really not. I'm not on the fence.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not on the fence at all. I know she killed her daughter.
Speaker 2:I feel like the Xanax was a real thing, and I feel like she definitely stuffed her in the trunk and rode her around for 30 days at least. Yeah, I do think that the prosecution other than the chloroform?
Speaker 1:I do think that the prosecution other than the chloroform I do think okay. So what I think? This is my humble opinion she gave her the Xanax, she accidentally overdosed her, so she wanted to make it look like a murder. And that's where the duct tape come into play, because if she was already gone, if Kaylee had already left this world, there was no need to duct tape her. But I think she did that to make it look like a murder, because murderers use duct tape the baby had expired in the bedroom, she wrapped her up in the blanket duct taped her to make it look like a murder man, fuck rode around with her in the car
Speaker 1:for a month till she started to smell for a month. Well, it wasn't a month before she abandoned the car. It was like two weeks In Florida baby in a trunk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got a week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, the one that we talked about the last one he had decomposed, and this was in June and July.
Speaker 2:And just like, yeah, I mean he was ooh Florida weather. If you perish in Floridaida, you're decomposing a whole lot faster than you will anywhere else. The humidity is just bad, it really is, and you're just gonna, you're gonna melt down in florida.
Speaker 1:You come here and experience this weather for sure well, that's why it I mean, like I said um roy cronk. He had made those calls in august and it wasn't investigated until December. Maybe that's why they never found the body for that, but he said that she was already decomposed then and he had used the stick and like poked it through the eye hole of the skull.
Speaker 3:Because I mean honestly think about it.
Speaker 2:You're really not really thinking it's something. You're not thinking it's real. You're not thinking it's a fucking Halloween decoration.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, maybe that's what I was going to say. Maybe that's why the Eileen Wuornos only got charged with six instead of seven, because that dude probably melded down in the woods somewhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Florida.
Speaker 2:Florida, the FLA.
Speaker 1:I mean, you've got the elements and you've got wild animals. We got bears, gators, everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would put Florida up against Australia any day of the week.
Speaker 1:dude we got shit that will sting you, bite you, poke you, prod you, and I'm scared of Australia. But Florida is just as scary.
Speaker 2:You cannot walk in the woods Stinging nettles. I mean we have, they got them. Spiders, though they got big spiders, but we got big snakes.
Speaker 1:They got spiders the size of our house. They got big snakes too.
Speaker 2:Yeah hang on, but I'm putting them up against them because we got sharks we got gators, we got everything. Skeeters and mosquitoes are just as bad to me.
Speaker 1:Well that's why I mean I'm not advocating for murderers whatsoever, please, but you can just put their body in the ocean or the oh, the dexterxter style, the. Dexter style, everglades, whatever.
Speaker 2:I mean, murderers are sloppy around here because we've got resources to get rid of bodies. It's probably the most.
Speaker 1:And there's pig farms.
Speaker 2:They get rid of that shit too. It's sort of the capital for this shit. We've got so many. There's so many what?
Speaker 1:were we looking at the other day, oh, there was a TikTok.
Speaker 2:Oh day, oh, there was a tiktok statistics on um the global uh, serial killers. America has like 10 times everybody else.
Speaker 1:No well more than 100 times everybody else. Okay, so we were over 3 000 and the most in the united states other than that just in the united states three that was over 3 000 serial killers and the highest number before ours was like in the hundreds. Yeah, they were judging from like 1800s until now or something.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it was like everywhere else in the world, like the top one was like 250 or some shit it was like 150, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was something.
Speaker 2:It was something like that france I don't know if I shared it. Check out our instagram. I think I shared it. Check out our Instagram. I think I shared it on Instagram. But yeah, check that out. The United States has 100 times more than that. I mean, it's insane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it went from 100 and something to 3,000 something, and I was like I clutched my pearls so hard.
Speaker 2:We can talk here until we can't talk anymore.
Speaker 1:We have a never-ending podcast. I hope you guys love us.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's why true crime is really big in the United States. But we're going overseas in two right. Yes.
Speaker 1:After next week, we're going to go to Europe.
Speaker 2:I'm looking forward to that.
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Speaker 2:Like I said, cause I didn't want you to accidentally come across them and be like bitch and I'll be like, oh, so I just want to go ahead and tell you about I found this really cool band called ape on a rocket that's out of russia, oh shit okay and I want to play them, but I'll wait slaughter to prevail without a russia too I know they probably play together because this band is a lot like them.
Speaker 2:So, if you like, like that kind of stuff. But I'm looking forward to playing them, but I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait.
Speaker 1:So what band are you plugging this week?
Speaker 2:Oh, so you're done.
Speaker 1:Yes, that wraps up our story on.
Speaker 2:Casey, you're done. I can't believe it, lindsay.
Speaker 1:Do not give me a pause.
Speaker 2:I can't believe it. You just honestly, I'm puddled. Whatever emotion you consider?
Speaker 1:Honestly, out of everybody that's going to listen to this, you're probably the only one that didn't know she wasn't in prison.
Speaker 2:I didn't know. I thought she was still in prison.
Speaker 1:She never went.
Speaker 2:She never actually went to prison.
Speaker 1:She went to jail, but she never went to prison.
Speaker 2:I remember watching the whole trunk thing in the trial, never, ever finished it. Am I the only human being?
Speaker 1:Well, it was drug out for several for a couple of years. Yeah, I gave up after I said I'm done with this.
Speaker 2:She killed her fucking baby and then that was it.
Speaker 1:And I didn't know shit Because it happened in 2008. The trial was in 2011.
Speaker 2:And it ended in 2011.
Speaker 1:But it was just like OJ's land. It interrupted all our soaps.
Speaker 2:But I watched a little bit of it and I got pissed off that this is still going on and I gave up because Just like the OJ thing, Guilty guilty, guilty. I already came with I mean I have been wrong, I'm a dude. Whatever, we're going to come up with bullshit. And I was at the point where this chick see with an unt right behind it trap flap needs to be in fucking prison.
Speaker 1:I mean all signs point to all of them all of them, but I'll play a band.
Speaker 2:If you want me to play a band, I'll play a band. I'm gonna talk about a band that we're supposed to see let's fuck off with Casey Anthony and plug a band this week yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and do Prophets of Demise finally, yes, hey Gooch hey. I think he really goes by Chris Rourkes now. He don't even talk about Gooch, no more.
Speaker 1:Well, Gooch was his nickname for like 20-something years.
Speaker 2:We gotta go back to the bro times. I think he was just like. I don't want to be called Gooch.
Speaker 1:And I get it. You're in your 40s now, bruh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's moved up to Chris Rourkes.
Speaker 1:Chris Rourkes yeah, he's a drummer for Prophecy of Demise and I've even jammed with him so many times. I've known him since I was a little child.
Speaker 2:Plays with Prophecy of Demise. I want to play one of their songs.
Speaker 1:I was childhood friends with his sister and hung out at his house a couple of times in my youth.
Speaker 2:Cool cap, Cool, cool, cool Cool. The whole band's cool. I had such a good time. Remember when I was bumping the last time we were at Hangar 7?
Speaker 1:Hangar 7.
Speaker 2:And I was bumping with the singer Now their genre is death metal right. Pretty much Old school style.
Speaker 1:I like old school style Death metal.
Speaker 2:yeah, which is like you know. Tampa is like the originators, not really the originators. It was like Death and Cannibal Corpse and Six Feet Under. All those bands are just out of Tampa, Well.
Speaker 1:Cannibal Corpse is actually from New York.
Speaker 2:Yes, they moved to the capital of death metal.
Speaker 1:Yes, they had to. That's how they got their appearance in Ace Ventura.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which the singer actually wanted to turn that down.
Speaker 1:But that was in Miami, though, right Wasn't that location? No?
Speaker 2:Remember if you watch the movie, he was traveling around trying to get information and he wound up in Tampa at a show.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, with his nerd friends.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Always have your nerd friends First of all. They're going to hook you up with information.
Speaker 2:New England clam chowder.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:The red or the white. Yes, the red or the white, yes. But second of all, they're also going to hook you up with some good music, yeah, recommendations, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we love all kinds of music. I got some really cool stuff coming up. I got some country music coming up. I got some techno metal, I got.
Speaker 1:But your girl over here, your wife.
Speaker 2:She likes it heavy Into, he likes it heavy.
Speaker 1:Into death deathcore.
Speaker 2:You're more metalcore than anything.
Speaker 1:But I love me some deathcore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'm really Operatic that new operatic shit. I love Lorna Shore.
Speaker 1:I love Left to Suffer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we like Attila, we like the trap metal stuff.
Speaker 1:Trap metal is fucking cool as shit.
Speaker 2:And we're going to be playing some of that stuff too and it's going to tie a little bit into some of that. So if you're into that stuff, hey, Thy art is murder.
Speaker 1:Fuck, I love them. Yeah, they're considered metalcore.
Speaker 2:I've hobnobbed a little bit with Franz a little bit.
Speaker 1:But yes, I love everything. I love everything from girly pop to opera.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we like it all we really do, you know, I mean I'm I'm a big fan of old Motown music.
Speaker 1:So yes, I do, I am too. We have those. You're a bigger fan, but I love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So let's jam. Let's jam some, uh, prophets of demise. I got a song for you guys and it's called suffocating the tyrant, so check this thing out.
Speaker 3:Y'all ready.
Speaker 2:Here we go, oh yeah, Living underneath the moose Cursing us maledictory Event of war, day of wrath. No enemy, just corpus.
Speaker 3:Loyalists, animals. Yes, the dream of liberty Will be replenished with the blood of patriots. Your people start to notice Dead bodies, strike low doors. We are unity forever. When we march together, we'll be dying in the streets, dying in discrimination, will be dying in the streets, dying in discriminant life, as if the country of liberty will be replenished with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Your treaty of liberty will be replenished with the blood of patriots and tyrants. I'll see you next time Under all colors. You were raised To do all this Until the fight has stopped. It's my last. Go home Until this day Is long past. But there's your past. Call the guilty state a lawless, malicious players. Run for your life. This will be the day. It shall unite us. Unite us.
Speaker 4:Burn it to the ground. Burn one straight down your ground, your crown. Burn it all, all this hell.
Speaker 2:The tree of liberty must be replenished with the blood of patriots. The tree of Liberty Must be replaced With the blood of the triad. Like you and me, for blood, lansy, lansy, lansy, these guys, that was a good fucking song. It had like a Jamie Josta type feel to it.
Speaker 1:I was over here jamming the fuck out.
Speaker 2:A little hate breedish. A little hardcore on the death metal side.
Speaker 1:Love it. That's cool. It was my jam. Really cool. It was my bag.
Speaker 2:Dig that. We'll see you guys again. Prophets, I mean, you're playing all the time around here.
Speaker 1:We didn't miss their show last week because we were drinking a lot. They played in Jacksonville.
Speaker 2:It was like a St Paddy's party. Yeah, love them though. Really cool, really cool cats. Cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 1:We have seen them in our hometown, lake City, at the Hangar 7. The Hangar.
Speaker 2:That's where it's at. Yeah, it's fun, that's fine, we see so many. There's some national groups. Come there in our little town. It's really fun. Yes, so small little hole in the wall any national groups looking for a nice little pocket, hit me up, I know, renee, we'll get you on a show you guys fucking rock yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes prophets of demise.
Speaker 1:Listen to their everything catalog yeah, yes, all of it.
Speaker 2:It's really fun and if you're in the florida area they are playing, yeah, so it's fun, really cool. And uh, lindsey, I just want to say you got another one next week. You got another one next week and I'm not ready. I don't know shit about this one either, not even as much as I knew about this one. I was lost dude and did not know that she was out in the fucking world. Oh yeah, is she in florida?
Speaker 1:yeah, probably not cool.
Speaker 2:Not cool to get out of my state.
Speaker 3:No, this is not right, dude.
Speaker 2:Something's not right here. Nobody believes it either, do they? No, they're all she got kicked right.
Speaker 1:The fuck off of tiktok as soon as she came out every flag and every like it was insane. I opened my tiktok the day after she had uh posted that and it was the first thing I opened and in the next probably 20 videos that I scrolled through were all everybody. What the fuck, bitch, fuck you bitch. Justice for kaylee hashtag. Absolutely justice for kaylee. Justice for kaylee just flag everything offensive by her like I said, that documentary on Peacock that I watched.
Speaker 2:I don't want to watch it, you don't. No, you're not going to make me do that. No, I'm not going to make you watch that at all. I'm not going to.
Speaker 1:I did that for research. That's not what I want anybody else to watch, because it was basically everybody advocating for her.
Speaker 2:So we're not really riding on any of the Casey wave.
Speaker 1:We're not on the Casey wave, absolutely. There's no wave to ride.
Speaker 2:Not, not, no, but we'll say we will see you guys next Friday, right, absolutely, and you have a great weekend. Happy St Paddy's.
Speaker 1:Day. Happy St Paddy's.
Speaker 2:Hope you had a great St Paddy's Day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're in the past, present, future thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we record before and then we do things after.
Speaker 1:Yes, and thank you to all of our new listeners. Um and the scream Queens the scream yes. They did all the plugging of us.
Speaker 2:Thank you Scream. That's what we want. We're going to plug your band. We're going to share it to our fans and and listeners and and we want your fans to listen to us we play music.
Speaker 1:We play cool music, like the scream queens. Yes, and I'm going to continue to share your show dates and whatever new music or anything that you've got going on through in our instagram stories. Yeah, when it pops from here on out, we'll reshare it.
Speaker 2:Yeah and we've already done it with low. Yeah, we're doing it with everybody. You know I Yosemite and Blacks on tour right now. Ooh, you remember that band? I love them. Would, you like to hear some of that band? I would. Yosemite and Black Lo and Yosemite needs to do a show together.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, fuck, that would be a great show, that would be a great show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we should do that at Hangar 7 in Lake City. So, yosemite and Black, hit me up, lo hit me up, come to Lake City. We got you, bro. We're going to pack the house. We'll see you guys next Friday, though.
Speaker 1:Bye.
