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EPISODE 24: Monsters of the Moors PART 1
The names Ian Brady and Myra Hindley still evoke horror across Britain decades later. Dubbed the Moors Murderers, this couple's crimes stand among the most reviled in criminal history, with Brady becoming the most hated man in the UK and Hindley labeled as Britain's most evil woman.
Their partnership began in 1959 at a Manchester merchandising company, where Myra's initial obsession with the aloof Ian eventually blossomed into a relationship founded on darkness. Both carried psychological wounds—Brady from early brushes with crime and violence, Hindley from an impoverished childhood with an alcoholic father who demanded toughness. When they found each other, these damaged souls formed a bond that would unleash unimaginable horror.
What makes their crimes particularly chilling was the methodical planning. They borrowed vehicles with false plates, practiced body disposal, established alibis, and even assigned commemorative songs to each murder. The Saddleworth Moors became their killing grounds and burial site—a beautiful, remote landscape that hid their terrible secrets for years. Their victims were innocent children like Pauline Reed and John Kilbride, cruelly lured with the same ruse about finding a lost glove.
The devastation they left behind is heartbreaking. John's mother continued setting a place for him at dinner every night, hoping for his return. Pauline's mother searched relentlessly, becoming an Avon representative to go door-to-door looking for her daughter. All while Brady and Hindley would drive by the families' homes, delighting in the suffering they'd caused.
This episode covers the first part of their crimes, with more to follow. The full extent of their depravity, the methodical planning, and the question of whether evil is born or made will continue to unfold. Subscribe and join us Wednesday for part two of this haunting case that forever changed how Britain viewed child safety.
Hey, jesse.
Speaker 2:Hello, hey Lindsay.
Speaker 1:How are?
Speaker 2:you, I'm okay. I'm okay, you sure, I think I'm okay. What you drinking. I made me a little hooch over here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, what's in the hooch?
Speaker 2:I got vodka.
Speaker 1:Where'd you get vodka?
Speaker 2:I thought we used it this morning, the Skull Vodka, oh okay, and then, um, I took one of those, the galaxy thing thing that we have.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, celsius.
Speaker 2:Celsius, the Galaxy Celsius energy drink If you're still drinking Red Bull.
Speaker 3:You're boring.
Speaker 2:Get on Celsius. I like it. Yes, it's good, it's good. What are you drinking?
Speaker 3:I have a Black Cherry, white Claw Black Cherry. I've got a Black Berry for a backup.
Speaker 2:So you're Black Cherry and Blackberry Bamboos, bamboos, oh man.
Speaker 3:Oh, sir, are you okay?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean yeah. I'm just saying you know, it's still in my head, I can't get it out.
Speaker 3:Go ahead and sing it, oh God. It's going's still in my head, I can't get it out. Go ahead and sing it, oh God.
Speaker 2:It's going to be in my head forever. I will bestow upon our listeners a song that we just created.
Speaker 3:We just made up because you know, we're in awe of how good Dolly Parton and Cher still look in their late 70s.
Speaker 2:That looks so damn good.
Speaker 1:And so we made a little song about it Without further ado, its first debut.
Speaker 2:I'm going to do the uh uh, uh and you do the stuff. Okay, do it? Are you ready? Mm-hmm, all right, hold on to your fucking seats here, guys, because this is fire dude. This is going to be the hit song of the summer. Yes, yeah, Coming to you by Gen Z. Here it is.
Speaker 4:Mm-mm-mm-mm, mm-mm-mm-mm, mm-mm-mm-mm-mm, mm-mm-mm-mm-mm.
Speaker 1:Cher and Dolly, they got it going on. Cher and Dolly, they got it going on.
Speaker 4:Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm, mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm, mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm, mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm.
Speaker 1:I'm in my 40s and they look better than me. They are in their 70s and they look better than me Because Cher and Dolly they got it going on. Cher and Dolly, they got it going on.
Speaker 4:Yeah, now Dolly fucking partying. She's looking so damn good. Dolly fucking Parton never knew she could. Dolly fucking Parton, her place in Tennessee looking so damn good to me. Gotta go today.
Speaker 2:I fucked it up.
Speaker 4:No, it was Dolly fucking Parton Looking so damn good. Maybe that's why Dolly Parton got a place in.
Speaker 1:Hollywood In Dollywood, dollywood In.
Speaker 3:Dollywood. Okay, we'll revamp.
Speaker 2:I gotta work it out. We'll revisit. I had a thing and it was cool and I fucked it up. Lindsay, I can't go off the dome. Dude, why you got me trying to go off the dome?
Speaker 1:I did it.
Speaker 2:We both just did. Oh well yeah, but you have better dome-age than me.
Speaker 3:Some days. Yeah, I mean, you've wrote songs way more than I have. I just came up with that.
Speaker 2:Oh, quickly, I got the hook. Yes, you got the hook. You got the beat.
Speaker 3:Holler, if you hear me, so are you going to ask me what we're drinking about today?
Speaker 2:I thought we were just drinking about Dolly.
Speaker 3:Parton and fucking Cher. That's enough. Raise a glass.
Speaker 2:Yes, raise a glass, we raise a glass, we raise a glass.
Speaker 1:Welcome to my life, and I was singing that too.
Speaker 2:That was on my parts, but earlier, before we did this and our sound checkage, it was fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 1:I swear to God, you guys missed it.
Speaker 2:So it's like a Tenacious D kind of comment right here. This is not the greatest Dolly and Cher song.
Speaker 1:This is a tribute, this is a tribute yeah. Just a tribute.
Speaker 2:What are we drinking about Lindsay?
Speaker 3:So we're going back. Everybody gather around. We're going to get in our time machine. We're going to go back to the 60s and across the pond to the UK.
Speaker 2:Is that the fucking reason why I'm dressed all hippie today?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, Well, I have my hippie pants on. You got on your hippie shirt, yeah we're doing the hippie shake.
Speaker 1:We're doing the hippie, hippie shake.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I kind of really like this Hulk garb here.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I need more garbage like this we're comfortable and we look good.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like I could sleep in these pants and wear them with a cute pair of boots, like I did earlier 50, but I'm over 40 and I can stretch and kick and stretch yeah I'm not 50, yeah you look beautiful today thank you. You look beautiful, we look bright, we're good looking people today are we doing the old thing yet?
Speaker 2:can we do the old thing now? While it's still on my head, go ahead.
Speaker 3:What made you feel old? That was that was coming up.
Speaker 2:That's not part of the structure, but I'll let you do it early okay, so usually we talk about being old, lately, the last few episodes and stuff yeah, we're gonna keep that rolling and usually every week, we use this an element, but this one's not an element what is it?
Speaker 2:so what made me feel old is laying in bed and my grandchild there rubbing my back fat. Oh, it was so cute and I was like rub my back fat. And she's all laying there. She's just rubbing my back fat and 30 minutes later, like I took a nap and 30 minutes later, like I kind of woke back up and she's still rubbing my back fat.
Speaker 3:She was so sweet.
Speaker 2:She climbed in bed with us at like 5 am and I was like that was the most precious thing like I clouded up and everything I'm over there in like this whole huckle buck of like oldery and I'm all like oh, this is so cute and you only get that if you're old. You got a grandchild and it's just like doing something sweet. So that's what made me feel old today. Is it made you feel old in a good way on this?
Speaker 3:one, yeah, that's kind of cool huh yep, yeah, I know it's like we had to get them all up and get them dressed like having three grandchildren sleep over for just one night is a lot yeah, I'm not doing it unless we have like excursions and shit that we're out doing and they can run amok or whatever to the beach or parks or something you know that's fine because but here sitting at the house, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I only want just enough time. Give them a bath, let them watch a movie and crash out, and then we bake them breakfast. Yeah, the next morning they're off.
Speaker 3:But today we had to go out and celebrate my mother, who is also in her 70s, and got it going on.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Gloria, okay, we're wasting time. We got a lot to go through today.
Speaker 2:What made you fill all, though you didn't say your part?
Speaker 3:So I have this thing at work. Okay. So working in a restaurant you got to say behind you or in front, or coming around you know corner shit like that.
Speaker 2:I heard corner when we were sitting there.
Speaker 3:So if those words can't come out of my mouth quick enough and somebody's barreling towards me and I've got a tray full of shit, I'll say don't run me over, but to the tune of whole song oh, make me over, is it? Don't make me over, oh, make me over, oh, make me over, oh I'll say don't run me over. Yes, and nobody understands. Yeah, nobody understands my reference whatsoever. It's in my head. I'm the only.
Speaker 2:I was being an asshole at your place today. I am sorry, I was like where's my food? Where's my stuff? Where's?
Speaker 1:my cornbread and you're all like my place of employment.
Speaker 2:Where's my cornbread? And you're all like Jessie, she's doing the veggie kitchen, it's not her fault. And I'm like I know it's not her fault, but why is there apples on my plate? Never asked for it, I was like where's my baked potato? Yeah. I want my baked potato.
Speaker 3:So that happens a lot more often than you, and then you would think I'll have the wrong side, will be on there and you're not really noticing it as you're setting up the food Like you have all the right shit but you have extra shit, and then when you're running out, you're like you know what that's a bonus, enjoy, because we do just throw it right away.
Speaker 2:I gave full disclaimer, though she came back later and I was like you know, hey, it's all good, I'm not projecting trying.
Speaker 3:But he was just hangry I was making lindsey feel uncomfortable we did wait for like an hour to sit down and then like 45 minutes for food, so everybody was a little cranky so of course, you know, after two hours I noticed that my steak wasn't even cooked, right. No, it wasn't so there's part part, right, yeah on some of my assholeness but we, you know, we went through the same thing at a restaurant we ate at in gainainesville.
Speaker 1:Our steak was way overcooked.
Speaker 3:We had to get all the sauce to make that shit go down the hole.
Speaker 1:Go down the hatch.
Speaker 2:Give me like A1.
Speaker 3:No we were eating that sriracha mayo that they had and it was so good, that was good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it could have been a tire in front of us.
Speaker 3:It was a tire.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if you ever get your steak cooked wrong at Bahama Breeze, ask for their sriracha mayo. It's good.
Speaker 2:That was very jerk of them. It was like jerk steak, like jerky. It was good though.
Speaker 3:But we hope you're having a happy Friday.
Speaker 2:Yes, happy Friday. Happy Friday. Oh, this ain't it, it's this one. I'm'm gonna hit this one. I'm gonna hit the right button this time. There it is dolly part and share, looking so fucking fabulous, Fabulous. You know, it's not like, it's not like that they're catfishing in any way. Those. I mean they got body suits on. I believe that.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, I mean, I still believe at the end of the night it's like taking off Melisandre's necklace Because they are in their late 70s I mean, but they still like in all of that and everything and who they are. But I want to be at their level. I want to still be able to get up and put on my wig and my makeup and go look fabulous all day every day at 79 yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2:Let us know what y'all think about it. Get tired. I want to know what our fans think about that every day. I mean, what do y'all think about?
Speaker 3:I love it oh yes, they're in their zone. Still, they're still that big curly haired wig that Cher wears, because that is definitely not her hair, because she changes it a lot. It can't be her real hair. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's just not her hair.
Speaker 2:They show the fuck up though either way. Oh yeah, exactly that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I want to have a whole wall of wigs.
Speaker 2:They need something bigger than an arena, bigger than a football stadium to fill up. They need I don't know Central Park. I don't know what they need.
Speaker 3:Everybody's going to show up for either one of them. Everybody, all genres unite, they pull in two million.
Speaker 2:Them three, I think Elton John and Dolly and Cher. They need to do a comeback tour with just those three I'm manifesting. Remember that morning that we watched it on. Disney Plus Put Willie Nelson in the bitch too, Fuck yeah.
Speaker 1:He ain't done either.
Speaker 3:I mean, elton John is officially retired. Remember when we watched his last show on Disney Plus and we cried through the whole fucking thing, yeah, and that was like in the morning we were drinking Bloody Marys in bed watching Elton John's last show at Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right. And yeah, he was fucking cute dude. Look at him, he was done up. He's all doing his thing.
Speaker 3:I just watched him perform him with a chaperone the other day singing the Pink Pony Club. He was out on his pink cowboy hat.
Speaker 2:He was like that was his first big show in Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 1:Well, he just made like an appearance In his last show. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I remember watching that one, yeah, so I don't know anything about this shit. Are we going overseas yet?
Speaker 3:All right, so first, if you are new here, this is episode. What are we on 24?
Speaker 2:23?.
Speaker 3:No, last week was 24.
Speaker 2:We're on one of them. Episodes we're on 24.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and what we do is we have a drink and we talk about true crime and then we plug a band at the end that we're digging and that we think you should listen to as well.
Speaker 2:You should listen to every one of them. I found so many cool ones. I was playing some last night for Lindsay and she's like holy shit, Fans are cool. All these people are so cool. They're just awesome.
Speaker 3:I'm having fun and you know Lori Vallow, her, we talked about Lori Vallow last week, episode 23,. Go back and listen. Yeah, the doomsday bells, Um that was insane. Her trial is coming up, I think tomorrow, uh, Monday. Monday, Monday is the 31st right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go to the calendar make sure I kind of want one of those TVs that if we do an episode like a TV outside that I can like drink beer at and throw it at the TV when I disagree like a disposable.
Speaker 4:TV you said something else.
Speaker 3:I mean the thing about her is, I mean, I guess she's definitely lying, but it's like and she's going to be representing herself it's going to be a comedy fest. They is going to be a shit show.
Speaker 2:It's going to be a comedy fest. They better not interrupt.
Speaker 3:Like anybody that still watches regular cable TV, I hope they don't interrupt your shows for that bullshit. We've been on streaming for like a decade now, so we're way out of the cable world.
Speaker 2:So that'll come out this Monday and then we're going to have to watch it together.
Speaker 3:I don't know if it's going to be aired. I gonna have to watch it together, like I don't know if it's gonna be aired, I just know that the trial it needs to be aired it should be yeah, yeah, I think if oj and casey anthony was aired. Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, we're out of the loop awareness period is good on live tv anymore.
Speaker 2:Learn from it. That's why we're talking about shit like this to me you know.
Speaker 3:what I'm really enjoying, though, is how we have been watching 1923. We finished, finished Yellowstone, which I thought the ending was perfect, and I can't say that about most shows, the way they end. I cannot say it's a perfect ending and it was just beautiful. That was a perfect ending. You know what was?
Speaker 2:really cool is. I could interpret some of the Native American stuff back to you and I'm like this is what they're saying. This is what this means. You know, the wash day, the color wash day, the stuff you know and I'm all like this is really cool to me. I mean, I even got a tattoo from Brings Plenty's nephew.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm listening to them. They're doing their thing. They got all the land back. They're going to have it like that forever, so it's really awesome.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what I like, because we're starting now, at the beginning, before they got Yellowstone Ranch, and it's like it came full circle. And what's crazy to me is, no, it wasn't taken by them, from the native Americans, but it was the land. That land was taken and but it and then it was kind of like it was cursed because they went through hell the whole time that they owned that land. Yeah, pure hell.
Speaker 3:So what they put into it all they wanted back was exactly what they put into it, to get it originally and then giving it back, and then everybody was manifest destiny, god's will, to take all this land from all these people that wanted to keep it that way forever.
Speaker 2:You know right? So really cool ending really cool.
Speaker 3:And now we're, now we're, we're, we're watching the beginning and the middle, yeah, simultaneously, because, uh, 1923 is like in the middle of a season right now.
Speaker 2:So, we're watching it. I like all. They need to have a different one later on. I think so. Rip and Beth. Rip and Beth.
Speaker 3:Yes, or even the four sixes spinoff. I think that that may be in the works.
Speaker 2:The Texas that would be good. Where Teeter went also when.
Speaker 3:Jimmy and Teeter went also where. Jimmy and.
Speaker 3:Teeter went. Yeah, if y'all have no idea what we're talking about, watch Yellowstone 1923 and 1883. Good shows, all right. So we need to get started, because this one is heavy. I just want to let y'all know this case will be a three-parter. I tried to do it in two. It's not possible. It's not possible. It's too massive. But today we are talking about Ian Brady and Myra Henley, who will go on to be the most hated man and the most evil woman in UK's history. All right, so we are, and this will be since last week, since last one was kind of a couples killer.
Speaker 2:You're doing more couples.
Speaker 3:I'm'm gonna do some more.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna go through, I'm gonna do this one and then two more following I'm here for it yes, there's a lot out there, so we're just gonna do a few and then we'll go to something else and we'll revisit some couple killers later on down the road. So we're gonna start with the background of ian brady. Ian brady was born in duncan stewart on January 2nd 1938 in the gorbiest part of Glasgow, scotland. His mother was Margaret Stewart, but she went by Peggy, not sure why, and Ian's father is not really. He's not really known, but Peggy said that he was a reporter for the local newspaper who passed away three months before Ian was born. Peggy didn't make a lot of money and she was afraid of not being able to support her son, but she, I mean she was a little tea room waitress.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know, that sounds so cute doesn't it to me like do they do tips and stuff over there at that time?
Speaker 3:or I'm not sure, because a lot of Europeans don't do tips. Well, I know my friend that lived over here for a while with her husband from Germany. She said that it's not tip culture like it is here. So a tip over there is a bonus. You still get paid a livable wage, but a tip over there is a bonus. So that means they're tipping you because you actually have much more than room and board?
Speaker 2:like type set? Probably not. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But I mean it's only one child. I don't know, I don't know how, I don't know how the living was. I should have did a little background on that. So Peggy put an ad in the paper for someone to basically adopt in for a pound a week. She still wanted to be a part of his life, but the family that would take him in would be the main caretaker.
Speaker 3:A couple named Mary and John Sloan responded to the ad and took Ian into their family and his mother would still see him almost every night and on weekends. It's reported that when he was nine, his family, they all got together and visited the Loch Lamond I think that's how you say it which was his first time being in wide open spaces and he just fell in love with it. So you know mom's still there, she's in the picture and it's reported also that she would actually like stay with the family when she would have a couple days off. So she didn't. It was basically she just went to work and was away from Ian during that time. She probably had to work long hours and then when she would have time off, she would be with this family.
Speaker 2:Ireland's so beautiful too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, this is Scotland, oh.
Speaker 1:Scotland. This is Glasgow, yeah, glasgow, scotland, yeah.
Speaker 3:I was thinking Ireland the whole time. Because we have land in Ireland, we've got what A square inch.
Speaker 2:Two foot by two foot. We're lords and ladies. Okay, lady Stambaugh, lady and Lord.
Speaker 3:Stambaugh Lady and Lord Stambaugh. Okay, when he was still a young boy, his mother met a man named Patrick Brady. They married and Ian does take on his last name and even though he says this never bothered him and he liked Patrick, ian does start to have behavioral problems. He becomes a bully and always has a little flick knife with him everywhere he went. There was also reports of animal abuse, but he does deny these allegations. Like they were saying he was like beheading rabbits and all kind of shit.
Speaker 2:He was a mean ass.
Speaker 3:But, like I say, he denies that and he admits to a lot, so I don't know. I mean, we'll get there later. He admits to a lot of horrible shit, so why wouldn't he just admit to that too? You know, he would hang out with the wrong crowd, to which he would become kind of a leader of the pack and would instigate fights, and even there's even a tale of him trying to light a kid on fire and Ian denies this as well, seeing that him and his friends were just playing war games. This was post world war ii, so that's probably plausible. Yeah, when he was around 11, he had a little girlfriend. I swear, like doing the research on this case, young kids were already like 20 years old when they were 11. You know what I mean is is crazy.
Speaker 2:They were like well, I mean, our kid is 11 and he has not picked up on all those life skills and no experiences yet no, I mean he doesn't have a gang of misfits, no, and he gets beat up out there in our neighborhood. He's like they mess with me. I'm like where? They at yeah, yeah, I'm ready to fight I'll tell him hey, you know y'all, y'all need to be better people. I guess.
Speaker 3:Well, he had this little girlfriend and at this young age our son's age he discovered that he liked to kiss violently and draw blood. What, yeah? 11?, 11., 11? By the time he was 12, he had a whole little gang of misfits and they would start robbing houses. He would date another girl and became obsessed with her and they had a toxic teen on again, off again relationship throughout all their teen years. It started at 12.
Speaker 3:They ain't even 13 yet, and they some gangstas and they would break up, they would date other people and get back together and then just do the whole cycle over again. Wow, yeah, I don't know what that's like, because I did not get my first boyfriend until I was 17. And none of my kids really did either.
Speaker 2:They had to bend around some crazy bullshit to begin with.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. They're like already grownups in baby years. Yeah y'all kid is still a baby. They're throwing up gang signs at like five and a half well, one day, uh, ian and his little gang of robbers got caught, and when he found out who the snitch was, ian waited 10 years to get his revenge. So we're going to fast forward just a slight bit. He found this guy's address and went to go shoot this guy in the fucking face, but a lady was out front beating her rug and that stopped him, saved that dude's life.
Speaker 3:A lady beating her rug Wow.
Speaker 2:You know, because it was like a flat like apartment type thing.
Speaker 3:They call them flats over there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just swat and a rug and he's like wait a minute, I don't need to blow this guy's head off.
Speaker 3:Yes, well, during his teen years, ian and his friends would play this game where they would hop on to vehicles that were passing by and see how long they could stay on for. I don't understand this, but I want to say that was probably the 50s, maybe on, for I don't I don't understand this, but I want to say that was probably the 50s.
Speaker 2:Maybe there wasn't a lot to do.
Speaker 3:That's crazy, I mean, I know how'd they make it to this age already well, I mean, and sadly, one day one of his friends would fall off to his death. I figured it was coming and it was so horrific and so bloody and just an absolute tragic mess. And Ian witnessed it all and it haunted him forever, yeah, forever.
Speaker 2:Because we were just doing that five minutes ago. I don't think we need to do this, no more. Right you know Goodness gracious.
Speaker 3:Well, ian would be in and out of jail for robbery and be on probation a few times, and then he threatened his girlfriend, the little toxic girlfriend he had Well, I'm not saying she was toxic the toxic relationship that he had with this teenage girlfriend.
Speaker 3:He would threaten her with a knife after she had just went to a dance with another boy during one of their off periods. And he was placed under the care of his mother in Manchester after this, because she had moved, like after she had met Patrick Brady, she moved to Manchester and they were still in and that was in England, and they were still in Glasgow. When he got over to Manchester, he worked a couple of jobs and then he got caught stealing again. But and I I actually did a little more research he didn't actually steal steal, he was doing a favor for a fellow truck driver who had stolen goods, and this truck driver got caught and brought ian into it. Wow. So that made ian very upset, very upset. And because he got sent to uh, strange ways, prison for three months and then he was sentenced to two years at a Borsal, which is like juvie, because he was still underage and but they found him drunk on alcohol that he had made, I'm guessing, through the toilet Cause, then that how they do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3:And they sent it. They sent him to a tougher unit. This was all before he was 18.
Speaker 2:Bonnie and Clyde shit fitting to go down up in here. I swear to God, you're fitting to bring me up into some crazy shit.
Speaker 3:This was all before he was 18, okay so, and then he was released in 1957. He worked a few jobs and then he decided he didn't like those jobs they were like laboring and shit like that and then he decided to get his shit together and study to be a bookkeeper and he was I'm making his family really proud they were.
Speaker 2:He was in the library all the time doing the work, so here's the point where either he can go this way or that way so he started dressing snazzier, always in three-piece suits, and he got himself a motorcycle and I've seen pictures of him.
Speaker 3:He looked, he looked. He was a sharp-dressed man. In 1959 he got himself a motorcycle and I've seen pictures of him. He looked, he looked. He was a sharp dressed man. In 1959, he got a clerical job at Millwards Merchandising where he would then meet Myra Henley. Hey, myra Myra Henley was born in Crumsell, which is a part of Manchester, manchester, england, on July 23rd 1942 to Nellie and Bob Hindley and had a little sister named Maureen. They were super poor, very working class, very just impoverished, and Bob was a raging alcoholic. He had fought in World War II and was a very hard man and wanted his daughters to be tough. When Myra had been scratched by a boy when she was around eight years old, her father told her that if she didn't go whoop his ass he would give her a leathering.
Speaker 3:So he's going to whoop her ass if she didn't whip his right so myra found the kid and did what her father told her to do she whooped that ass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this tough, hard-ass people that had been through a world war, yeah, and was around all of that. So I mean I get it. It was a tough time, it was very tough time so the mean, and then it's.
Speaker 3:I mean, we're coming up on the 60s, so now Vietnam's about to start too. You know, it's like war, war, war. So the girls would mostly be raised by their mother and grandmother, who she would call Gran, and they mostly lived with Gran because dad had been at war, come back an alcoholic, abusive monster, and the house was very tumultuous. Everything that Myra learned from her father was pure violence. She was always fighting and because of this she had more male friends than female and she was very much a tomboy. Myra would also have a traumatic event that would happen to one of her closest friends that would affect her forever, because she was no longer afraid of sticking up for herself. She would also stick up for others, and when she was around 15, she would stick up for this boy named Michael Higgins, and they became very close. After that she became like you ain't gonna bully my friends, you're not gonna be a bully, you ain't going to bully, you're not going to be a bully, wasn't.
Speaker 2:Higgins on the Jimmy Fallon show. That's not Michael Higgins, oh okay, I was just making sure he didn't turn out to be one of those cool-ass cats in the Jimmy Fallon show. That would be cool, higgins. No, it wouldn't be cool, because.
Speaker 3:It would be cool, Higgins. No, it wouldn't be cool, Because one day Michael went to go swimming at a local reservoir and invited Myra, but she already had plans and she didn't end up going with him and sadly Michael drowned that day.
Speaker 2:Michael didn't make it.
Speaker 3:Michael didn't make it Goodness gracious Higgins. And Myra would always blame herself because she was a great swimmer and she believed that she could have saved him had she been there.
Speaker 2:So they both on both sides. Now they have some traumatic things that stuck with them, yeah.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't say that Ian's childhood was shit, because he had a family and a mother that both took. They took care of him.
Speaker 2:And at this point he's built up to my, on the other hand going and he could be. You know, he can excel, you know.
Speaker 3:And Myra. On the other hand, she's got a little shittier end of the stick when it comes to the family, but her grand was really good to her, but they both some gangsters.
Speaker 3:They gonna be. So after this, Myra would also leave school at 15. I guess that was the thing back then, to start her life, and she learned how to type so she can become a secretary and wants to do the whole 50s, 60s thing. You know, get married, have kids yeah, Do that thing. But after Michael's death she also became quite the devoted Catholic and took it very seriously, even committing herself to abstinence until marriage. She would work as a secretary temp for a car dealership and they paid out paychecks in cash. Well, when she got her first paycheck she left and then came back a little while later crying and said she had lost the envelope that her cash was in. Her co-workers felt bad for her and they pulled together her money to give her another paycheck goodness and then, two weeks later, she does the same thing.
Speaker 3:Oh so now they were like okay, girl, you got us the first time, but we're watching you now.
Speaker 1:That's a little too soon yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a little too quick to pull that one again.
Speaker 3:So in her late teens she tries a new style. She wants to change her look. So she bleaches her hair and starts ratting it, you know, because that was the thing and she started doing a little bit more makeup, but not too, she didn't go too crazy, she just wants to look a little, a little punk rock? No, not that at all. She was modest but wanted to get attention all at the same time.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, all right.
Speaker 3:So she was just getting into that late 50s, early 60s vibe. That look, the ratting the hair, the thing. You know what I'm talking about the Jackie Kennedy rat, whatever. Do you know what I'm talking about? You want me to show you a picture of her?
Speaker 2:No, I can picture it the whole way, I just wanted to look at you like with this blank face and see if you would keep wanting to elaborate this picture. I can picture women in this.
Speaker 3:You know 50s, late 50s and 60s yeah, all the hair think of hairspray.
Speaker 2:You've watched that movie with me a million times yeah welcome to the 60s sometimes I'll look at lindsey and I'll be like, on this, like a thousand mile stare, and then I'll just let her build from it yeah, because I'm like, do you not understand? Sometimes I don't get it, though, for real.
Speaker 3:So Myra decides to switch jobs and go work as a typist at Millwards Merchandising. This is where she would meet Ian Brady, and for her, for her, let me stress that for her it was love at first sight. But Ian Willie, he wouldn't notice her for quite some time. But Myra becomes obsessed. She's writing about him daily in her diary, and if Ian didn't notice her it was a bad day, and if he did, it was a great day. She even wrote in one of her entries Ian has a cold and I would love to mother him.
Speaker 3:Aw, tell your children not to walk my way well, she started stalking him outside of work, showing up to bars near where he lived, hoping he'd be there. She would take her little cousin out for a walk and just happen to walk by his house. Sounds like a fatal attraction and she. She actually got his address by eavesdropping while he was on the phone at work. Yeah.
Speaker 2:She's creeping dude, yes.
Speaker 3:She would also make sure that she was reading books on her lunch break, because he liked to read books on his lunch break. Oh, we're reading the same book and this got the conversation started, he comes over and talks to her about what she's reading. So you know, now he's intrigued, now he's noticed Myra and she's giddy.
Speaker 2:She's moved up to his intellectual intelligence.
Speaker 3:Yes, she's getting out of the stock zone. Later on in December at the office Christmas party, ian asked Myra on their first date. Now, on this first date they went and had some drinks, saw a movie, then got another drink, and then Ian walked Myra home. They exchanged their first kiss and Ian bites her lip until he draws blood.
Speaker 2:He went ham-bone.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Goodness, dude I don't really have it figured out right, I don't know, and she will say that later on like he was a shit kisser, she was like you got Jim Carrey beat yeah. Ian then noticed I guess he already had started filling her up because he noticed she was wearing a girdle under her clothes and says he doesn't like girdles because they accumulate stale sweat. And you know what, ian, fuck you. You're not wrong, but fuck you.
Speaker 2:You're not wrong, but fuck you. I've been stank for days.
Speaker 3:And so she never wears a girdle again. And you know, that doesn't make any sense to me because, like I look at her and a lot of women back in the day, they were very small, like you know, why were they wearing girdles? They're teeny tiny, was it? Was it the hold in their bones, like I don't know?
Speaker 2:What was socially accepted. Yeah, I guess that's I mean yeah.
Speaker 3:Cause they had to wear pantyhose, girdles the whole nine yeah.
Speaker 2:It wasn't a whole corset and two other layers before that, oh God. And then you didn't take a bath, but once a month.
Speaker 3:That's all. What do I say every time we watch shows?
Speaker 2:Y'all stink.
Speaker 3:Y'all need to brush your teeth, y'all need to take a bath. When they're making out or making love.
Speaker 2:I'm like you know they stink you smell like a latrine, you smell like the privy. Ugh, I guess you got nose blind to it, though after a while Everybody just stank. I guess, so yeah.
Speaker 3:They went out the next day, on Christmas Eve, to a church service Because, remember, myra is very religious, but Ian, he was actually an atheist. Oh, he had been done with religion for a long time, which I get it. We're not atheists, we believe in God, but we don't fuck religion, okay.
Speaker 2:There's an intelligence thing that you can bring in and still have a connection, but she seems like she's about willing to trade what she was going to give to God and the celibacy and everything, just for his attention Let me get there.
Speaker 3:Yes, when church was over, ian peed on the side of the building saying this is what I think about religion, and I guess this didn't bother Myra at all, because they went back to Myra's and she lost her virginity.
Speaker 2:I was two seconds early on. That that's great. Yeah, I already knew it. I already knew it. I ain't even reading this, I know it.
Speaker 3:So Ian would start coming by from time to time unannounced, and Myra was so obsessed that she stopped making plans with other friends just in the hopes that he would be by. Like she would just sit on the porch and wait for ian. After night was oh he gets so much more unhealthy. I mean, ian wasn't, he wasn't really hooked yet, but myra, she was over the moon. They did go closer and closer and started hanging out by the saddleworth moore so it's just like a beautiful landscape, open place, mm-hmm, it's beautiful.
Speaker 3:Look it up. If you guys don't know what the Moor looks like, look them up while I'm telling the story, because it'll paint more of a picture of what is yet to come.
Speaker 2:More and more of the Moors. Yes, so the moment that me and you showed up in Albuquerque, new Mexico, we drove off into that big open spot and I just wanted to run and I started taking off my shirt and I felt like I just wanted to be naked. It was very cool, it was just that majestic to be in just God's country, you know, I guess.
Speaker 3:Well, ian starts to feel more and more comfortable with Myra and felt he could share some of his darker thoughts with her. In no time he had her turning her back on religion and pretty much going along with any ideas that he had and whatever he would say or whatever he wanted to do. Myra was about it, okay.
Speaker 2:Completely infatuated.
Speaker 3:This was just because she was obsessed with him and in love with him. Infatuated, yeah, she was.
Speaker 1:Fully enveloped on him, she threw away all of her. The world is right there.
Speaker 3:Right, she threw away everything that she had set up for herself, and then she was like nope, I'm going to do whatever he did.
Speaker 2:This ain't healthy.
Speaker 3:Ian had also been obsessed with Nazi and Hitler ideals and he had Myra start reading books on that as well, Like he would recommend her books to read and shit. They had nicknames for each other and Ian would be Nettie from a TV show that they like to watch and Myra was kiddo Also. Ian and Myra were both bisexual and they declared their relationship to be open and I think this was more on Ian's side because Myra loved him and I think she just allowed it. She'd do anything for it To be in his life.
Speaker 2:Right, all he had to do was mention it and she's on it, not healthy.
Speaker 3:So they would develop a very Bonnie and Clyde type relationship. Are you kidding me right now? Us against the world. They thought they were better than everyone and hated everyone but themselves.
Speaker 2:My head is so big, I keep calling this one.
Speaker 3:They. Myra would change her look again into what Ian liked, which was more, a little more provocative short skirts and wearing heels. And it said that he wanted her to dress like Irma Grace, who was an evil, evil female guard of a concentration camp in Nazi Germany. Like I watched a whole thing about her just to understand who she was. And this is what Ian wanted Myra to be like. Yeah, and like this woman's nickname was the beautiful beast or the Hyna of Auschwitz, and Myra would cart her photo around for inspiration. Yeah, like I said, now we're getting a little more obsessive, we're getting a little more obsessive, we're getting a little more weird putting all the nasty stuff in, tied in with no one matters but us type relationship.
Speaker 2:The morals are out the window right.
Speaker 3:One day ian tells myra that everyone has at least one enemy that they would like to see dead, and if they they say that they don't, they're lying. So he asked Myra, who is your enemy that you want to see dead? And Myra says Ronnie Sinclair, this guy she had dated before she met Ian and he was a little too boring for her. He didn't do anything wrong to her, he was just not what she wanted in a future husband Like they had gotten engaged and everything.
Speaker 2:So he's on hate's side, he's looking for something Right, and now Myra's like I want to see this guy that I previously dated and was engaged to.
Speaker 3:That didn't do anything wrong to me. I want to see him dead.
Speaker 2:You got hate in your heart, let it out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, want to see him dead. You got hate in your heart, let it out. Yeah, she had broke it off with ronnie because of her obsession with ian and just hopes that she would get ian's attention, because they had been dating before. She started working at millwards and she fell in love with ian immediately and ian didn't notice her. He didn't start talking to her about these books and shit she was reading for him to notice her for a year and she had broken off with Ronnie just in the hopes of something to happen with Ian. Wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:So unhealthy.
Speaker 3:And now she's saying she wants him dead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because of the regret you know, she's like this is starting to be something that I'm completely against but I'm all in because of him.
Speaker 3:You know right? Ian asked for details on how she would kill this man and ian says that her response shocked him. She said she wanted ronnie, humiliated and terrified as she watched him die he's ready.
Speaker 2:That's why he's bringing this shit up.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, this is horrible so they plan this out and the saddle worth more would be the perfect place to get rid of the body. So Ian starts following this guy around and they plotted this murder out to the T. But fortunately for Ronnie it didn't happen. But now the discussion of murdering together was on the table. Ian and Myra's sex life started getting more and more rough, more kinky. Ian liked candlesticks shoved up his ass and he liked to do very rough things to Myra and Myra would have to drink to get into it Like it was very a bondage, like dominance type situation, yeah. And Ian would start telling Myra about his fantasies of abducting, trigger warning, raping and killing a child and getting away with it. Oh, myra is on board and they start strategically planning out the perfect murder.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be here now, Lindsay.
Speaker 4:Oh, this is going to be, oh, but the candlesticks.
Speaker 2:Oh, Ian, doesn't turn into Peggy. Oh God, oh man, no but no.
Speaker 3:Don't say that His mother's name was Peggy. I know Well, oh man, no, but no, don't say that His mother's name was Peggy.
Speaker 4:I know Well no, but no, but no man. No, yes, Not cool dude.
Speaker 2:Oh fuck, Dude, this is gonna be rough Now. I already know it's gonna be bad, bad.
Speaker 3:Oh, this whole case is going to break you. Ian even had Myra read a fictional book about two killers who do kill a child. This book is called Compulsion by Maya Levin, and Ian told her to use it as a manual. They borrowed a black van from a neighbor and drove around Manchester taking photos of different kids. Ian had taken up photography and he was. That was like his little side gig. He was doing that all the time.
Speaker 2:He even took pictures. Just a fucking shot out Nazi ass, psycho candle holder, that's what he is.
Speaker 3:Yes, and the only thing. Okay. So you always want to know what makes a person like this, and all I can think of was maybe his time in prison, because I think that that is what, oh, he might have yeah.
Speaker 3:I think that that might have made him turn his back on God, because he literally did get. I mean, he got in trouble on his own, but he spent a lot of time for something he didn't do, because, remember, I told you that one truck driver was stealing and he got blamed for it. So I don't know, I don't know where this comes from, and it's also said that when he found out that he was a bastard, he like lost his mind.
Speaker 2:But, he'll damn sure turn his back on a candlestick too.
Speaker 1:I mean whatever.
Speaker 3:We're not kink shaming here, no, but.
Speaker 2:I'm not kink shaming, but he's just a mess dude. Yes, oh, he was fitting to fuck up the world, isn't he?
Speaker 3:So they would follow kids around and take notes on them. Ian, I hate to say this, but Ian is very smart, intelligent, but I want to say it's a type A personality where he wants to. Everything's got to be rigid, planned out just to. I mean, every detail has got to be covered. Okay For him to do something to this nature. So the plan was for Myra to Laura a child into the van, and then Ian would follow closely behind. Then they would take the child to the moor, murder them and bury them there. They got luggage and rented a locker at a train station to hide any evidence or any type of Like. Ian didn't want trophies to be kept, but if they did, they were going to hide them in this locker at the train station.
Speaker 2:And an alibi too.
Speaker 3:They have their shit there and they would take an extra pair of clothes to change into so they could burn the ones that they were wearing. They would make sure the child was not someone that they knew and it could never be a child from glasgow, because that was ian's homeland and he would never hurt a fellow Scotsman. That was literally from his mouth, yeah.
Speaker 2:Stomach is upset.
Speaker 3:Oh, it should be. So. Ian would wear surgical gloves underneath his writing gloves, so no one would be suspicious of them. They would get false plates for the vehicles and Myra would practice going completely limp so that Ian would get used to carrying dead weight. Yeah, they planned and practiced. So an alibi also must be established and that would be able to be remembered for up to 14 days. Then they would start the hunt. The plan was that Ian would ride behind Myra and if he spotted someone he would flash his lights for her to stop.
Speaker 3:So everything is in place and on July 12th 1963, ian and Myra go to work. They come home and they plan on going out hunting that night. Ian puts a band on his wrist and conceals a knife under his sleeve and another knife in a. Is it sleeve or sleeve? Sheaf, sheaf. Okay, sorry, I yeah. When I was typing this I was like I know I'm not spelling this right, so I will just ask Jesse. So he had put a camera and binoculars in Myra's van a camera for photos and a binoculars to make sure no one would be around for miles and some scented candles.
Speaker 3:When they reach the moors. So at 7.45, this is fucking bad dude. This dude is set up At 7.45 pm. Ian says to his family is the clock right? Is it 7.45? This was the established alibi Timestamp. So he and Myra set out on Gordon Lane and Ian spots a little girl I think she was like eight and he flashes his lights but Myra keeps driving and he made her pull over and was like why didn't you stop? And Myra says well, she's my neighbor, I know her and she's only eight years old.
Speaker 3:But, he was all right with that shit oh, yeah, he was ready like it didn't fucking matter to him what myra told him was that a young kid would make more of a spectacle it would be easier sought out like they're gonna keep looking yes, gonna be big, but still, lindsey, are you fixing to flip me this shit right here? Oh yeah, I don't want it. We're getting there. Give me a second. What do you think we do?
Speaker 4:here. I don't want it.
Speaker 3:So they take off and hunt some more. They go down another street and Myra parks the van just to see if anybody would walk by Soon enough. A 16-year-old named Pauline Reed would be walking by on her way to a dance at the Railway Workers Social Club. This was only a 10-minute walk from her house. Paula's mom actually had not wanted her to go because her friends weren't able to go and there was alcohol being served at this social. But she did end up talking her mom into it because other people she knew were going to be there. And on the way she saw the friend whose mom had said no and her name was Pat Cummings and she was going to surprise her because her mom had actually said yes and she was going to go like a different way and then come around while Paula was walking and surprise her and Paula never showed up. I don't. I keep saying Paula, it's Pauline.
Speaker 2:She hit the back streets and then got got done up.
Speaker 3:Well, pat thought that maybe Pauline just chickened out because she was actually not a very extroverted person, so her going to this dance by herself was actually a big deal. So Pat was just like, okay, maybe she chickened out and just went back home. But what actually happened was Myra offered Pauline a ride and said before I take you to the dance, can you help me find my glove at the moor? It's very, very important to me. And Myra had already broken one rule she actually knew Pauline. Pauline was friends with her little sister, maureen, and Myra knew Pauline's mother and Ian did not know this. So Pauline goes with Myra to the moor and Ian is close behind. Ian's account of the events to follow were that he got to the moor and Pauline and Myra were having a smoke in the van. They start looking for the glove. That didn't exist and led Pauline right where they planned to take her life. Ian did this eye signal to Myra that they called the Groucho and it was like a, you know, a little eye raise.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a TV show back in the day too.
Speaker 3:Oh was it he smoked a big cigar and he had the big one eyebrow oh, okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense now, because I'm like, because I'm thinking of oscar the grouch, because he had the brows too that's the same kind of premise but this was before. Yeah, this was way before oscar yeah he did the eye signal, grab pauline from behind and put her in a japanese stranglehold. I guess this is where you they use your own arms to make you pass out yeah, we used to play that game as a kid oh, that's right, I've done it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right put your arms in it and across and then squeeze you real hard and you would pass out.
Speaker 1:Yep, I've done it, if you kept on squeezing you wouldn't wake back up, Right.
Speaker 3:So she fell to the ground and then when she came to she was told not to make a noise and Pauline looked up at Myra and begged for her help and Myra looked down at her, smiled and said be quiet. Pauline said to Myra tell him I'm unwell, meaning she was on her period and she was saying this as hoping it would not get her raped.
Speaker 2:Yes, god, lindsay.
Speaker 3:And as Ian holds her down, myra undresses her and they raped her together. When they were done, they did let her get dressed again and she was wearing like this pretty little dress, like a pink dress with a powder blue coat and this necklace that her mother had given her like a locket. You know, she was done up for a dance. It was her first little dance she was going to. She was going to put the necklace back on and Myra tried to take it for herself, saying you won't be needing this where you're going. Well, at this time Ian reached out and slapped the shit out of Myra. He didn't want Pauline to know what was coming and he did not want to keep any of the evidence. So there was a long awkward silence after this. Imagine being Pauline. You just get raped. Now the dude is slapping the shit out, the girl it's. You know, chaos.
Speaker 3:Um, I'm stuck over here right now, I know after he slaps her, myra's like, well, that's pauline reed and I do know her. So then ian's like he's got memories coming back and how he knew this was. This girl had been seen with Myra's little sister's boyfriend, david Smith, and Myra had told Ian that she wanted David dead over that. Yeah, and Ian was like no, we're not going to kill David Because he actually eventually he wants David and Maureen to become. He wanted them to team up with him and Myra. It was like a whole killing quad.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And Ian now knows that this was kind of a revenge on Myra's part. Yeah, I mean, how else?
Speaker 2:does it look. That's why she was just like I'm going to clock into this one, we're going to do this one. But damn Lindsay, they are just so meticulously, they're so planned out. This is insane.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:How all the details are just perfect.
Speaker 3:Well, ian goes to the van and grabs his supplies, and when he returns, myra is on top of Pauline and has tried to stab her with a kitchen knife, but it was too dull and the blade actually bent, and then Myra just started beating there it is. So they put the weapons away, they sat, they stared at Pauline's dead body for a while, had a smoke yeah.
Speaker 2:Embrace the horrible addiction that's coming, huh Right.
Speaker 3:They dug a shallow grave, counted their steps back to the van so they remember exactly where she was, so they could come back and take pictures.
Speaker 2:But they didn't want trophies. But now they're wanting to come back for the trophies.
Speaker 3:Oh they just want to take pictures of the gravesite. Yes, oh yeah, all that, yeah, we'll get there. So they burn their clothes, even the handle of the knife, and then they clean the van for any evidence. But Myra still had that necklace and she had also took Pauline's money. So Ian's pissed about both of these things. He's like now we got to go fucking spend this money and he takes the necklace and buries it somewhere else. They went to the movies, had relations and drank some wine and just went to sleep. Myra later claims that she hated the whole experience and Ian said that if she backed out he would kill her and put her right in the same grave with Pauline. Ian says this is not true and Myra says that she sat in the car the whole time until Ian needed help moving the body.
Speaker 3:She damn sure kept that naked Myra tries to take herself out of every situation. And you'll see that more and more because I'm going to give what Ian says about the story and then what Myra says about the story.
Speaker 2:Now is your out, then Right now is your out.
Speaker 3:Right now is your out, bitch. Right now is your out, yeah.
Speaker 2:The holy shit.
Speaker 3:I'm running to him telling all of it and then I sat in the car that at that time that was your out now yeah, if you go to the police, take them exactly where the fucking body is, and they they can't deny that and they lock ian up. How's he gonna hurt you?
Speaker 2:right.
Speaker 3:You know one credible witness right, but she enjoyed this shit well yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean she had wanted to kill her ex who had done nothing to her done nothing, not a damn thing to her period. I mean it's on record he, this man, that guy hadn't done anything to her. Now panic of pauline's disappearance is spread fast. Door-to-door searches were happening and I mean there was rumors of her running away, which you'll notice with more and more cases that we do where somebody disappears. That's always the thing that the police want to say at first, before they actually go and do the work yeah, but this woman, she wasn't even extroverted, she just wanted to stay she just wanted to go to the dance this was a big reach out for her to go dancing Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 3:And I mean canals were drained, everything Like they did the work.
Speaker 2:When I said that, though, it clicked in my head, I just wanted to say I want to dance with somebody.
Speaker 3:Oh God, but no one suspected Ian and Myra and no one looked in the moor.
Speaker 4:I want to feel the heat with somebody.
Speaker 3:It's reported that Myra had even went to comfort Joan, who is Pauline's mother.
Speaker 4:With somebody oh.
Speaker 3:God, now Joan. She would search for Pauline rentlessly.
Speaker 2:She even became an Avon representative, hoping that she would find Pauline that way way going door to door.
Speaker 3:She was going door to door and plugging that, yes, and she ended up spending some time in a mental hospital for having a breakdown that was huge in the 60s, you know but I know, but I'm just saying like I'm right now, I'm focusing on joan, her mother and just your, your child is gone you have no idea where she is and then using that to beat the streets, you know.
Speaker 2:She's going door to door and she's just plugging. Hey, have you seen her too? Have you? You know God? That is really rough. This is rough.
Speaker 3:So, Ian, he actually got some blood on his coat collar and so he went and had it dry cleaned and he used he didn't put it under his name, he used the name Kennedy because he was president during that time. Oh yeah, so as a post-killing gift, Ian gave Myra a record of the theme song from a movie called the Legion's Last Patrol. They would hum this song to each other to remember their first perfect murder.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:During the they would just look at each other and just be like inside Start humming yes, this song like at work, yeah, wherever they went around family, yeah, they were gross. During the cooling off period, ian actually starts hanging out at gay bars and he would hook up with men frequently. Then Myra started dating and sleeping with a police officer named Norman Sutton who was married.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they rough Like I said they had an open relationship, but it was more on Ian's's side. So ian's over here, he's hooking up with dudes, and now myra's like well, motherfucker, I'm gonna hook up with a police officer and I could spill all the beans I got you back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, he was threatening her, you know. But now he's, now she's got well, that's according to myra but they both have the upper hand. Like it's, it's the, the field is level.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Anytime you get in a relationship and you kill somebody together it's toxic, you know? I mean there's gonna be some bullshit.
Speaker 2:I would never, I couldn't imagine I mean, I don't even understand Like the conception of this whole thing would have been over with after the first kiss when he bit her.
Speaker 3:You bought me, no, a couple later on You're like you want a little nib, you want a little bite, you want to go get a candlestick.
Speaker 3:So Ian got pissed off. Obviously he told Norman that he needed to back off. And Myra does end up ending things with Norman and it said this whole relationship with Norman was a manipulation tactic because she felt that Ian was slipping away from her and this got his attention. And I believe that 100%. Sorry, what you go on to say, myra, I don't want to reveal too much. So Ian now wants Myra to get some guns because he's got a record and he couldn't do so. So she got a .45 revolver and a Smith and Wesson rifle and they would take these to the moor and do target practice and often, according to Myra, ian would start getting abusive and would often scare her with these guns and said that he would point them at her and threaten her and shit. And then one day she pointed one at him and was like how's it feel, motherfucker? But I don't know Cause. I think, honestly, I know the end and I think that, ian, they're both pieces of shit Right, but I think Ian is more truthful.
Speaker 2:So a lot of this commentary is stuff that happened after the fact. All the bullshit's over with this is what he's saying. This is what she's saying. Right, but I think she's telling a lot of bullshit. She's just trying to clear herself. Like you were saying, she was still in the vehicle. She didn't have anything to do with it, but the necklace was kept, hey.
Speaker 3:Well, in part two I will talk about something that really just she can't deny her part in it anymore.
Speaker 1:But we'll get there.
Speaker 3:So yeah. So now Ian was ready to kill again and Myra was prepared. Myra rented a car and lined it in plastic Dexter Morgan style for easy cleanup. She went and got a rope, a shovel, a serrated knife and a wig to cover her bleach blonde hair.
Speaker 2:But who wants a serrated knife while you're doing this? Listen, I don't know.
Speaker 4:I just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Oh, that just gave me more chills, lindsay, I know, oh, I'm gritting my teeth because I'm just, oh goodness gracious.
Speaker 3:On November 23rd 1963, they went out and saw a 007 movie to establish the alibi. They went out and saw a 007 movie to establish the alibi. They went home for a little while and then they went out hunting at a market that they knew well in the Ashton Underline area. Ian spotted his victim, a 12 year old boy named John Kilbride. John was at the market that day looking for small shopkeeping jobs. Ian signaled Myra that John was the one. Myra asked John to help her carry some boxes to her car and then offered him a ride home. John got in the passenger seat and Ian was in the back seat and they took off to Saddleworth Moor. They used the same line. Will you help me find my glove? It's so important to me Now.
Speaker 3:According to Myra, ian took off with the boy and half an hour later Ian returned then showed Myra his body. He had raped him and tried to slit his throat with the serrated knife, but that didn't work, so he strangled him. Ian says that Myra actually held John down while Ian raped him and then holds John's legs as he strangled him. Ian, after all this is over, shakes his fist at the sky and said take that you bastard Like. So I tried to kill him with a knife and that didn't work. But then I choked him and it did. Yeah, so they buried little John and then drank wine and whiskey in celebration. They would return to the moor to visit the graves often and would take pictures of themselves by the graves. Remember that In one photo Myra is holding her dog Puppet. It was like a little terrier, a little mini dog. The record that Ian got Myra this time was called 24 Hours from Tulsa by Gene Pitney, and this is what they would hum to remember John Kilbride.
Speaker 2:So they had two different songs. It becomes a pattern.
Speaker 3:Yeah, whoa, that's so sick, I know I know, Is there movies?
Speaker 2:about this Is there shit we're going to watch later on.
Speaker 3:I can't watch it until we're done with all three parts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can't watch it until we're done.
Speaker 2:We're going to fight Lindsay. We're going to fight over this. I, I started God. This is so horrible.
Speaker 1:It's horrible.
Speaker 2:And then they have songs that they hum.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, this is disgusting.
Speaker 3:So Sheila and Patrick Kilbride were John's parents, and he had siblings I'm not sure how many, but I know that he had two brothers, one named Danny and one named Terry. John went to school at St Damien's, and this made me think of Damien Echol, because that's where he chose his name.
Speaker 3:The St Damien's, and this made me think of Damien Echol because that's where he chose his name the St Damien yeah, st Damien and at service. Every week after John went missing they would say a prayer for him. John had played football which is soccer over there, yeah, and he loved movies and he was an amazing kid. Like I said, he had been in, been at the market that day with other friends also named John there was like three of them and, like I said, they were looking for little shopkeeper type jobs where they would either earn some money or just do work in exchange for candy soda, whatever. When John went missing, he was wearing a white shirt, black shoes, gray pants, his father's vest and a jacket with little football-shaped buttons.
Speaker 2:He was done up to be a little entrepreneur, wasn't he Just trying?
Speaker 3:to make it Wait till you see the picture of this little boy.
Speaker 2:Oh God Little cuteness, oh, trying to do his thing. He looks like he could have been a cast. Oh, it's so fucking bad that all the oh he looked like he could have been on the cast of Little Rascals, like 100% Taken out by a Nazi fucking candlestick holder.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when John didn't arrive, of course the family panicked and Danny little Danny, his little brother went door to door asking if anyone had seen John. Around 930, they called the police and a massive search started. They got over 700 statements from people, 700 in the market area that day and the story was all over the newspapers. John's mother continued to make dinner for him and set his spot at the table for him every single night and hopes that he would show up.
Speaker 2:Stop, lindsay, you fucking puddling me, dude, I'm so puddled right now.
Speaker 3:Terry later says that his mother used to always sing while she would cook or clean, and after John disappeared, it just stopped. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm so puddled just stopped.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm so puddled. So now, the more had started become a place, or the mores. I'm so sorry y'all. I'm so sorry to my UK listeners. If I'm getting that wrong, send me an email and I'll correct it. For part two and three, the more started to become a place of interest to look and over 2000 volunteers came to help search. A 100-pound reward was offered for any information. They brought in a psychic and the psychic's vision pretty much described the Moor like yeah to a T. That that's where John was. Ian and Myra would sit on a street near John's home and would just sit and watch and imagine the turmoil that this family was going through with delight. Can you imagine your child going missing and later finding out that his killers were just watching your home having a smoke, having a drink, laughing, smiling, planning the next one?
Speaker 4:Yeah, Going to the candle shop.
Speaker 3:Laughing, smiling, planning the next one. Yeah, going to the candle shop. And on New Year's Eve Ian and Myra went to the moor and raised a toast and said to John and that's where we're going to leave off Lansy For this week, Lansy.
Speaker 4:Lansy.
Speaker 3:I know.
Speaker 1:Are you broken?
Speaker 2:I'm fucking puddled. I really am, I am, I really am. You got more of this shit.
Speaker 3:They ain't even started yet. Yeah, there's no, they're only two, we're only two in, and there there's five this is tough and I gotta do this more yeah at the Moors, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Lindsay.
Speaker 4:Man.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, I'm completely broken right now. I am completely puddled right now. I know, just not ready for it, just not ready for the next two parts that you're going to do with this. This one's rough. Well, thank you guys. So much for uh listening.
Speaker 3:so the nazi candlestick holder we have two more parts of this. What I'm going to try to do is um, put so this part will come out, and then on a friday, then I'm going to try to have part two ready for wednesday, and then part three will be that same week and on Friday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, We'll get it worked in.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:So I can play music now, right?
Speaker 3:Yes, what band are you going to plug today?
Speaker 2:Yosemite in Black.
Speaker 3:Awesome. I love them so much.
Speaker 2:Tell us about your first experience with Yosemite in Black. Tell me.
Speaker 3:Well, we were at.
Speaker 2:Archetype right.
Speaker 3:Archetype. I was trying to think of the name.
Speaker 2:In Jacksonville.
Speaker 3:Yes, very cool building, very like.
Speaker 1:It's like blackout but with like Glow-in-the-dark paintings all over the walls, cool little back porch area.
Speaker 2:But the paintings are all horror film. Yes, slashers, freddy Krueger stuff, mm-hmm. Love the artwork and the facade. Remember, with the mushroomy trippy stuff on the outside it had a curvy-looking building. The last time I went there, I believe you went with me and me and Silas we were in Jacksonville doing some stuff, and and me and Silas we were in Jacksonville doing some stuff and I was like Silas, let's go to this show, it's all ages and we'll check out these bands.
Speaker 2:And they were like heavy as fuck, really big, heavy, and this place was packed More than I've ever seen it.
Speaker 1:Had an archetype yeah.
Speaker 2:We had played there with like Motograder and cool bands like that and all, but it was so super packed and I was packed when we went.
Speaker 3:We had left your show yeah, it was from um eclipse. Yeah, we trekked over to archetype so we could see actus rius because nadira was going to sing with them. Yeah and yosemite and black was playing before them. So we got there in time for that and we were rocking the fuck out. And what is their bass player's name? Because he's awesome. He is the one of the coolest little persons I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2:So we're rocking out with this guy and I'm like dude, this dude's awesome, like he's rocking out so hard. And then he gets on stage and plays bass and he's fucking killing it yosemite and black and the singer's like native with his two braids and I'm like I know this guy from powwow somewhere and I was just like dude.
Speaker 3:I love this band, I love this absolutely like it's, it's, it's right up my alley. I love both them and actus rius, which we have also featured on this pod I can't remember which episode, but they're there check.
Speaker 2:Check them out too. So if you do like Yosemite in Black, after we play it, check out Actus Rios and all these bands on the tour. They're on tour right now. They're traveling around the United States. They started in March in Atlanta and it started March 6th, so where they're at now.
Speaker 3:They're touring.
Speaker 2:Goodness, yeah, yeah, they're touring everywhere that's amazing. Yeah, I love it they're all over the place. It was like 20 shows so, and I think it's coming up to the end of the tour anyhow, but still they did like 20 shows. It's big. These guys should be big.
Speaker 3:They're, they're phenomenal these are bands that are putting in the work. Y'all Listen to them, follow them, especially if it's your genre that you like to listen to. If it's not give them a chance anyway?
Speaker 2:And I have a lot of cooler stuff. I have country music coming, I got rap, I got trap music, I got trap metal.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm just saying we were both born in the 80s, raised in the 90s. I was raised in a conservative Christian home and I would have never. If you had told me when I was 11 years old that I would get into grunge, that would lead into nu metal, that would lead into deathcore, I wouldn't have believed you. But give everything a shot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Everything she was like Metallica was like her heaviest thing when I first met her and now it's like she knew about corn stuff like that well, I want to say system system of a down flip not, I listen to all of that, yeah, well new metal metallica which I love fluent in metallica.
Speaker 3:I'm just right, because my boys took a liking to them so we listened to them a lot, especially, oh god, the snm album. Yeah, the the san francisco orchestra with metallica that was so beautiful yeah, I mean, there's a lot of old school metallica fans that really just started hating them as their music progressed into a different sound. But you should not. If you're a true fan of a band, go with the flow. Even if you're not a fan, don't hate them because you don't like their new sound.
Speaker 2:We're not really digging Beartooth's newer sound but we don't hate them, I don't hate it.
Speaker 1:We've seen them in their prime.
Speaker 2:We've watched them build. I understand his struggles.
Speaker 3:They have three albums that I love and I can re-listen to them all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:There's four albums of Baratooth that we love.
Speaker 2:Yosemite's got some newer stuff out. I want to play Warmer Weather by them. I don't know this one.
Speaker 3:I know some of their older weather right.
Speaker 2:Does that just make sense to me?
Speaker 3:yes, we're getting into warmer weather.
Speaker 2:Spring has sprung yeah, I talked to their singer and he's like you can play whatever you want, dude. Y'all are awesome too, like because we shared bands. I think we played with them one time somewhere and it's just like this is the community that I really want to represent and and push up in any way if I can use this platform to help them out a little bit, so it's a good thing.
Speaker 4:It's all good, good, good, good, good good yes and at the end of this, at the end of this whole segment love when we do our third episode of this cluster fuck of fuckery that we're doing here.
Speaker 2:Uh, I have a band that's uh from, I think, russia yeah, I see that in your note, yeah, so that's cool, so I'm reaching out. We're going overseas for us too, so it's really cool, and I'm finding bands in Australia, all over the place, all over the place. I'm enjoying this.
Speaker 1:It's so exciting.
Speaker 2:yes, you know, and our second biggest city is in LA, so I've got like five more LA bands coming, so I'm going to support L. That's our second biggest following.
Speaker 1:LA.
Speaker 2:LA, I love you.
Speaker 1:LA.
Speaker 2:So drinkaboutsomethingsite. Check us out, follow us. We're on YouTube, we're on everything.
Speaker 3:I heard the tacos are the best In LA.
Speaker 2:Tell us about the tacos in LA. I want some Trejo tacos.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So bad.
Speaker 3:We love you, danny.
Speaker 2:We've seen him last and we're going to Spookala, which is a horror con, next weekend. So Danny was last and we're going to spook alla, which is a horror con next weekend. So danny was there last year and we seen him. We watched his panel. It was just really really cool. But anyhow, back to yosemite and black. So check these guys out, support them, man, and this song is called warmer weather weather by yosemite and black and I'm excited.
Speaker 3:Me too.
Speaker 1:I just wish they'd met, taking back what we already knew, and I'd like you to start your own mind. But second time needs a recognition. But it seems that I am too, too full. Nothing hurts. So just Wow, I'm full, I don't care that I've been lost so long, it's alright. Break down these walls. I am so very happy, so sick of the past, which I Really love me. I can't forget which was hard. I think my back Made me walk the dead way, so much that I I can't forget what's been done. I've been making my own. No time for selfishness. I get to show what they love for my stupidity. I'm done being cool, it's underground. Make myself my own, it's underground. Make my mind my own, I'm out. I can't forget what was all that she faced then it's time to fight the powers that be Motherfucker.
Speaker 2:That was them, that was it.
Speaker 3:That was amazing that was amazing. It was short, and sweet, I love it Fucking sweet, I love it.
Speaker 2:Fucking sweet, I love it.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:I'm over here trying to make another drink in the middle of this rocking out, I'm like pouring shit.
Speaker 3:And I'm just headbanging.
Speaker 2:Yosemite and Black, you are fucking fire dude.
Speaker 3:So fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, y'all keep on doing that. I hope the tour went well. I hope everything was amazing and you're inspired and you're wanting to hit the road again as soon as possible. And you were successful. You had to be dude, would it sound like that? You put it out there this time Good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good. Yes, we will see you soon too. Come to Florida.
Speaker 1:Come to Florida puppy.
Speaker 2:We're going to get you in Lake City.
Speaker 1:Hangar 7. Oh God, you believe that Blow it down. I'm going to hit them up.
Speaker 2:Yes, hit them up, so we can blow it down, hit them up, hit them up. This was an adventure, lindsay, and we got more adventures to come.
Speaker 3:Yes, so we have two more parts, so stay tuned for those. Follow us on drinkaboutsomethingsite on Instagram, YouTube. That's pretty much it right now.
Speaker 1:That's all we need.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's all we need.
Speaker 2:We're good.
Speaker 3:Yes, we're having fun. Yes.
Speaker 2:Tell your friends. If you like it, tell it.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, share us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're building.
Speaker 3:Absolutely and if you could, if you like us, give us a review on Spotify or whatever platform that you listen. That Give us a review on Spotify or whatever platform that you listen. That helps us get more into the algorithm and it really helps us out. We would greatly appreciate it. Love it, yes.
Speaker 4:Love it.
Speaker 3:Love it, love it.
Speaker 2:Very good, we'll see you guys next Friday, though no, we'll see you guys Wednesday.
Speaker 3:Wednesday.
Speaker 4:Wednesday yes, we'll see you guys.
Speaker 3:Wednesday, wednesday for part two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, part two of Puddled by Lindsay.
Speaker 3:Of Ian Brady and Myra Henley, the most hated man in Europe and the most evil woman.
Speaker 2:Yes, part two of the Nazi candlestick holder Damn.
Speaker 3:And the woman who wants to act innocent, but she is not.
Speaker 2:Definitely not, but it's a sad tragedy.
Speaker 3:We'll see you guys.
Speaker 2:We'll see you guys then.
Speaker 3:All right, bye.
