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EPISODE 27: Evil Ken and Barbie PART 1
Behind flawless smiles and picture-perfect appearances lurked two of Canada's most notorious killers. In this gripping episode, we peel back the layers on Paul Bernardo and Carla Homolka – the infamous "Ken and Barbie Killers" who terrorized Ontario in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
The story begins with their seemingly charmed meeting at a Howard Johnson hotel in 1987, where 23-year-old Paul meets 17-year-old Carla. We trace Carla's troubling childhood – from her experiments with a pet hamster to her fascination with death and self-harm – alongside Paul's equally disturbing upbringing in a household with a pedophile father and abusive mother. You'll hear how Paul developed his "Silver Tongue Devil" charm despite harboring violent sexual fantasies that would eventually manifest in a series of brutal attacks as the Scarborough Rapist.
What makes this case particularly chilling is Carla's willing participation in Paul's escalating depravity. When Paul becomes obsessed with Carla's younger sister Tammy, Carla not only allows it but actively helps him plan and execute a Christmas Day assault that ends in tragedy. The police failures, the videotaped evidence, and the psychological manipulation at play create a perfect storm of horror that's difficult to comprehend.
This first installment only scratches the surface of one of Canada's most shocking crime sprees. The depths of depravity explored will leave you questioning how well we truly know those closest to us, and how easily evil can hide behind attractive facades.
Subscribe now and join us next week for part two, where we'll reveal how the Ken and Barbie Killers were finally brought to justice and the controversial aftermath that continues to spark debate in Canada today.
Hey Jesse, hello Lindsay, Guess what, what? We have a guest with us. We do. I just want to say hey, shelly.
Speaker 3:Hey Shelly, hey everybody.
Speaker 1:What's up? We got a guest. It's my sister, it's my twisted sister.
Speaker 2:We have an audience too.
Speaker 1:She is so twisted I am not twisted.
Speaker 3:A little bit, a little bit, a little bit. Yeah, I've known you a long, have not twisted a little bit, a little bit, a little bit yeah, I've known you a long time, so a little bit so, hey, I want to tell you what I'm drinking okay, well, I was about to ask you, but go ahead.
Speaker 2:What's drinking?
Speaker 1:I took a travelers dude. I'm doing like travelers on ice. It's a traveler's journey, travelers and that's the whiskey right yeah, that's the whiskey. Right, yeah, it's the whiskey, but it tastes like a bourbon. It's really good.
Speaker 2:The Chris Stapleton. It is so good On ice.
Speaker 1:Hang on, let me take a little sippy poos, but I'm going to ask my sister. No disrespect to Miss Lindsay over here, my wonderful wife.
Speaker 2:Shelly, what are you drinking?
Speaker 3:Mike's Hard Lemonade and Coconut Rum yes, dried lemonade and coconut rum yes, mixed together.
Speaker 2:That's kind of like your signature cocktail, definitely is.
Speaker 1:I'm already digging this because while she's talking, I can drink. I'm liking this shit. There you go. This is awesome, so trifecta this episode and I want to ask Miss Lindsay what she's drinking over there.
Speaker 2:I'm drinking. Oh, I've got a black, cherry, white claw. No, no, no, this vista bay we're on all the drinks and then I'm following it up with a natural lime vista bay, that's the one that I've talked about before.
Speaker 1:It's a natural lime and it tastes like a crisp sprite natural bambalam. Yes, I love it. It's delicious, yes this is so fucking good I'm gonna get my I'm to get my sister to try this shit over here.
Speaker 2:I'm going to get her to try it, yeah.
Speaker 1:No, you don't want to try it.
Speaker 3:I taste it.
Speaker 1:I want to get her to try it. Okay, you guys ready she's going to try it.
Speaker 2:She's going to travel with me. Just a little sippers, you just got my thing.
Speaker 1:Welcome to my world, bitch. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry Are you, okay, this is why you're hairy right here. It makes the beard grow.
Speaker 1:So she's new, first time being on the pod. Yes, and we're excited. I got to teach her to lean into the mic just a little bit.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I keep forgetting to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:She's learning.
Speaker 1:She's learning. Andsey's got this crazy ass story that um we're not.
Speaker 2:We both don't know the stambo I have no clue so today we're gonna go to canada oh canada yes, canada, and we're gonna be talking about the cannon barbie killers so what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1:like there's a cannon, barbie killer.
Speaker 2:I will show y'all pictures and once we get a little halfway into the story. But um, their names are paul bernardo and carla homoka. This is a very famous case, especially in canada especially shit about fuck so there was like ken and barbie, though killers did they look like?
Speaker 1:oh yeah they're beautiful oh yeah, so were they weightlifters or something?
Speaker 3:No, no, that's.
Speaker 2:I got that one for later too, though, ok, but so I want to recap just a little bit on our three part that we just put out, finished putting out on the Morris murderers.
Speaker 1:Yes, what a fucked up journey.
Speaker 2:We definitely want to recommend the See no Evil documentary. We watched that after we were done.
Speaker 1:You know, after you tell the whole story about all that, it really portrayed that just really well. It was right and it's not very gory, so it's, it's. It doesn't go into the app.
Speaker 2:I mean it goes into the horror, but it's. It's not as awful as the actual it's a pg-13.
Speaker 1:Yes, pg-13, for sure, but they they had the pictures of the kids the actual children?
Speaker 2:yeah, actually in it. I was like those had the pictures of the kids and all the stuff actually in it. I was like those are the pictures that I found.
Speaker 1:Those are real. Shelly doesn't know anything about that. She has to listen to our podcast as she knows.
Speaker 3:Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'll have to listen to that one. It's a three-parter, so if you're new here, this is episode. What are we on now, 26?
Speaker 1:Yes, pick up sticks.
Speaker 2:And we have a drink or three clink and we talk about true crime and then at the end we plug a band that we're digging and that we think you should listen to as well.
Speaker 1:And if you want to go ahead and cue that intro song, Well, I'm going to do it, but I mean I'm not sure if we're ready. But I mean I'm not sure if we're ready.
Speaker 2:We're ready. We're ready.
Speaker 1:My sister's in the hot seat over here and I'm loving it.
Speaker 2:I am loving this.
Speaker 1:She is so nervous. Look at her I'm the most talkative person ever, I'm going to get you turtlings here in a minute Take a few sippy poos. Ken and Barbie, though I'm all ready. So we were on like this Janis Joplin trip earlier and you were singing earlier. We did the mic check to like Take another little bit of my heart now, baby. It was so fun.
Speaker 3:Wasn't it it stuck in my head.
Speaker 1:We were out on the back porch Just a minute ago and we were like hanging out.
Speaker 3:And Lindsey's rocking the shirt.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Janice Got her on.
Speaker 1:And so we only have Actually we only have two mics. So I'm leaning into my sister, I'm like, hey, you gotta get a little bit closer, because you gotta get a little closer To my heart now, baby. I don't know. Uh, is that right? Is that right? Yeah, don't touch me though we're beating the shit out of each other because we're we beat each other's asses while we were growing up definitely did.
Speaker 3:You got scars, I got scars, mine are all mental I'm gonna show them a picture of uh, our, our subjects this week like faces, yeah look at them they're definitely ken and barbie looking they are so ken and barbie looking very years ago, very 80s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there we go I wish I had her hair yeah, that's the 80s hair I'm seeing here, so let me ask you a question okay, come on what made you feel old this week?
Speaker 1:you know what? I'm gonna throw this over here to my sister. She's here with me. She's in the hot seat this time, Lindsay.
Speaker 2:Well, you tell me what yours was, and then Shelly will tell me what hers is.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's what I'm going to do. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to bring this out right here. Okay, I couldn't get enough sleep this week.
Speaker 2:No, you could. You were lame as fuck.
Speaker 1:all week I was super lame, super blah could not get enough sleep. I was like why am I so damn tired? Didn't you work a lot of hours. This week I worked so many fucking hours.
Speaker 3:I'm always working. You just couldn't shut yourself down.
Speaker 1:No, it was constant go and then when I could, it wasn't good enough. So never was good enough. So that's me.
Speaker 3:So I'm going gonna ask my sister what made you feel old this week? Well, all I do is sleep, but um, I would say my knee still is making me feel old she is the sister we talked about in a previous pod yes, we did talk about it already she is here.
Speaker 1:Yep, she got attacked by a hurricane, a hurricane during a tornado hurricane.
Speaker 3:Or during a hurricane, a tornado came through our neighborhood and a pine tree fell on the garage. We were all hanging out in playing uno, because, because we're in florida, we have hurricane parties, it's whatever we definitely have hurricane parties and um we were tripping out like three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1:I'm picking my sister up from the hospital. It's crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was rough, it was insane.
Speaker 1:So the whole porch fucking just collapsed on my sister.
Speaker 3:It was the garage. A big pine tree fell on top of us.
Speaker 1:It was insane.
Speaker 3:It was insane. You're laughing, but it wasn't laughing.
Speaker 1:The reason why I'm laughing about it is because I can fuck with my sister a little bit over here. We're like that, we've got that kind of relationship.
Speaker 3:You called me Lieutenant Dan for days.
Speaker 1:I did. Lieutenant Dan ain't got but one leg.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well for me, so I've been working out regularly. Yes, I've been working out regularly for about three years and me and one of my besties, we did this workout. It was insanity, and I restarted every few months and I still haven't got past the modifier track. No, but, lindsay, you're the.
Speaker 3:Zumba queen. But, I haven't got past the modifier track.
Speaker 1:She is always on it, works out every single day.
Speaker 3:And works on her feet every single day.
Speaker 1:I can tell it She'd be looking good.
Speaker 3:She's got a nice booty.
Speaker 2:Thanks guys, but yeah, I want to get past that modifier track. I want to be.
Speaker 3:You want to defeat it, I want to defeat it, so I'm going to keep it going. We're going to keep it going. It's goals, it's goals.
Speaker 1:Yes, like when I do defeat it, what's next? What am I gonna do to challenge myself either one? Of our stuff doesn't rank up, nowhere near. No, I don't work out like her. I mean I'll work a lot about sleep.
Speaker 2:I'm complaining about lindsey's like I just I want to be. Defeat the modifier. I want to. I want to kick shaunti's ass. Yeah, that's who's the indestructor.
Speaker 1:So it makes you feel old that you can't level up past the modifier.
Speaker 2:I would never, would never, lose the modifier track. There's so much going on in the gym, lunging and all kinds of shit I would be on like what's less than the modifier track.
Speaker 1:Can I just hang out on the couch and watch?
Speaker 3:this video.
Speaker 1:I think that's me with workout videos, because you're actually up and doing that shit.
Speaker 2:I would just watch the gym as well, though, and do the stair machine there three times a week. That's why that butt's like that.
Speaker 1:I would just watch the video and be like fuck it, I need a donut Because I'm tired. This is crazy. I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a 30-minute workout. When I get to about 25, my stomach starts growling. I'm like, all right, what am I going to eat? But I still try to wait until 11, after Silas is done with all his schoolwork.
Speaker 1:Right, and it's hard some days. We shot this right out of the gate really fast, so I'm ready for Ken and Barbie though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, did you want to recap a little bit on Spookalla? Because you said you were going to.
Speaker 3:Oh, you guys just did do that.
Speaker 2:Where Corey Taylor told you you were fine.
Speaker 1:He did. Corey Taylor told me I was fine at Spook House.
Speaker 3:I saw you guys' pictures. It looked like y'all had a great time. That was so amazing.
Speaker 1:We did so. We're there as Silas World. We're letting him run around.
Speaker 3:Silas was the man. We wanted to talk to people about our true crime stuff.
Speaker 1:So we're checking out people, checking out their merch, buying merch and just sharing, you know, and that's what we want to do. And we hung out with a couple movie stars, we got to hang out with bob from beetlejuice yes that was amazing keifer sutherland was there too, but we never saw.
Speaker 2:Yeah, keifer was there a little bit cool.
Speaker 1:There was just so many people there and cory taylor's over there and I snuck a picture like right when we got in. Oh, I stalked him all day lindsey had to go to the bathroom because we had drove from tampa yes, yeah well. So the photobomb came later on. Then it was like I'm sneaking a picture of cory. Then I'm like I'm good, I got a picture of cory taylor and I'm gonna be good, he's gonna play later on some acoustic stuff, right? So I'm walking around and we have.
Speaker 2:We have already grabbed our seats for his show, which was still two hours away did not know that cory was over there right beside us where we were sitting I walked over to a little perform.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they had like a cherry bomb they had like a little scream set up like, uh, the the scream silhouettes type set up. So I walked over there to just check it out and I was goofing in front of Lindsay. I walked by her goofing just to wait.
Speaker 3:He noticed you goofing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she did, and I was like ducked down because this dude Because he was videoing.
Speaker 2:This dude had a video camera.
Speaker 1:He had his phone up, he was videoing and he's like, oh, you're fine, bro, and it was.
Speaker 2:Corey Taylor.
Speaker 1:Corey Taylor said I was fine.
Speaker 2:And that's your story.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh my God, that was just Corey Taylor right there, told me I was fine and I was like, where is Jesse going?
Speaker 2:So I'm following him with my eyes. And then they darted over to the left and I'm watching Corey Taylor video his wife, and I'm like, oh my God. And then I talked to the couple that was sitting with us. I'm like, oh, corey Taylor's behind you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right behind him. We invited a couple to sit with our table just to hang out with us.
Speaker 2:We never found out their real names. No, I was calling them stupid names.
Speaker 1:Mike and Sophia, yeah, and we went to different schools together, right? So that's what I told.
Speaker 2:Silas.
Speaker 1:We're old friends. We went other so I sat down like lindsey. You know every woman in this whole building wants cory taylor, but cory taylor just told me that I was fine, so I was.
Speaker 2:So if you don't know who cory taylor is, he is the singer for stone sour slipknot and he does solo work as well.
Speaker 1:Cmft cory, motherfucking taylor yeah, and so we've seen him at louder than Than Life. He was serving, he was doing alcohol, he was doing drinks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was doing drinks there at a bar.
Speaker 1:We've seen Corey Taylor as Stone Sour. We've seen Corey Taylor as Slipknot.
Speaker 3:Six times.
Speaker 1:Six times.
Speaker 3:Yes, six.
Speaker 2:How do y'all keep?
Speaker 1:up with that Five. Yeah, we're six. Yes, altogether, and on our 10th time he told me that Jesse was hot.
Speaker 3:No, he said, you're fine.
Speaker 1:Fine, get out of my way, dude.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm trying to hang on to this, I'm trying to video.
Speaker 3:Well, okay, and we had a debate. He didn't say I was hot.
Speaker 2:He said I of context, but still context. That's right. We had a debate to see who was shorter him or David.
Speaker 1:Draymond from Disturbed, because we've also met.
Speaker 2:David Draymond. They're the same fucking height. And Jesse was like, oh no, David's smaller, David's smaller. So I Googled it and they're the same exact height.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I met David at it was the 16?, 15. 15. 2015. David is this little short dude from Disturbed Corey. Taylor is this little short dude from Slipknot.
Speaker 3:So how tall are they 5'7"? Yeah, that's not too tall.
Speaker 2:That's only three inches taller than me.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to say that's super short, guys.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess to us though we're thinking, these are rock icons.
Speaker 3:They're huge when they're on stage, they always look bigger.
Speaker 2:And then we looked up Jim Root and he's like 8'6", 6'12". He was like 6'7" or something like that.
Speaker 1:If you're in Jacksonville go to Jack Ravis, go to the local shows. Jim Root shows up sometimes.
Speaker 3:Jack Ravis is awesome.
Speaker 1:Yes, Very fun.
Speaker 2:All right, are you guys ready to get started on this bullshit?
Speaker 1:so ready. I don't know what. I don't know. Ken and barbie, I'm not ready.
Speaker 3:All right, there's a ken and barbie thing yeah, because I'm just not ready what did you say 20 years ago? Oh no, um. So it was in the late 80s okay oh, yeah, well, I still think 20 years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we do, and it was but 40 years exactly yeah, yeah, I mean I'm almost ready, but I'm just not ready carla leanne homolka was born may 4th.
Speaker 2:May the 4th be with you may the 4, fourth, but fuck her. We'll go ahead and say that in 1970 in all right, I'm gonna fuck this up. Missuswaga ontario, canada. Is that how you think you say that?
Speaker 2:that's how yeah, that's like the mississippi of canada he can't mississauga yeah, I don't know mississauga, ontario, canada, to dorothy seger and it's spelled like Karel, but it's pronounced Carl. But yeah, it's spelled K-A-R-E-L but it is pronounced Carl. I watched the documentary. I looked it up Carl with a K. Yes, so Dorothy Seeger and Carl Hermalka are the parents. She had two sisters, tammy and Lori. Carla was very smart, highly intelligent, like. She had an IQ of like 130.
Speaker 1:Here we go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and she did very well in school, but she was a little strange, to say the least. Her childhood friend Renya, which I think that's a really cool name, renya.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like the Halakamiki Maka last name they got. I like that.
Speaker 2:No, fuck them Okay. So Rydia says that one day, when her and Carla were playing, carla talked her into seeing if her pet hamster, george, could fly.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's not going to come out.
Speaker 2:She makes a parachute out of a pillowcase, straps it onto George and drops it out of an upstairs window.
Speaker 3:Already statistic as a child.
Speaker 2:And of course this did not work? No, poor George. George did die, but not for two weeks. What he had?
Speaker 3:internal injuries.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then later on Carla convinces Rania to let her dig up the corpse of her poor hamster, and so carla could mess around with it like experiment on it. So you're starting this whole ass story and I cannot just imagine a little hamster like the flying with a pillowcase.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, it's a circus show.
Speaker 2:I love it well, car was also. Pretty much she was kind of a bully. So Renia says that there was a handicapped girl in the neighborhood and one day, when the other kids were playing baseball, this girl was in a wheelchair and she had small arms. And Carla tells this little girl's brother that she is a creepy looking freak and then starts acting like a seal and making fun of this little girl's arms oh my goodness. And then all the other kids join in and do the same thing.
Speaker 3:Not cool.
Speaker 2:Fucking kids suck. Yeah, kids do suck. Why are they so mean? For no reason, like poor handicapped girl, yeah. So why do not so mean kids go along with the bullies like why do you have to co-sign with the evil?
Speaker 3:that's my question. It kind of keeps them from getting bullied also, though yeah, yeah, I guess you're right about that it's like makes you feel good in a weird way. It's like you're getting away like you're getting attention from as a kid instead of getting, and I remember doing the same thing, but on on the inside I felt like a horrible person Absolutely All the time.
Speaker 2:So I guess that makes us okay, because we did have remorse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I didn't participate in so much of that, but as a kid I also felt like I was getting empowered and joining the cool club making fun of other people.
Speaker 2:Well, and also the bullied become bullies.
Speaker 3:Bulliers yes, yeah, so you don't want to do that.
Speaker 2:Just, parents, teach your kids not to be assholes. Yeah, period, yeah Well, her father, carla's father, was a traveling salesman, but Carla didn't like him very much and in this case, the absence did not make the heart grow fonder.
Speaker 3:She actually had a game that she would play called death of a salesman.
Speaker 2:I mean hated that hamster, hated that the hamster didn't come out well but now it is speculated and reported on that carl would try to have a try to have affairs while on his travels but would fail. But it earned him the reputation of a pervert and I guess he just he had no game. But I did find in one source out of very many that he did have an affair and Dorothy even agreed to have a threesome with this woman in an attempt to save the marriage Dirty. And I guess it worked because they stayed married all throughout all this.
Speaker 3:I think the dad was a little twisted too here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, in her teenage years, carla would go through a goth stage wearing dark clothes, heavy makeup, dyeing her hair vivid colors, and there's nothing wrong with that. And she did have a fascination with the occult and would perform rituals with her Ouija board near an old train station, and again nothing wrong with that. But she would carve little circles in her skin. That's what I was going to say. She was probably a cutter and she would fill them with nail polish.
Speaker 1:She would fill the holes with nail polish. Lindsay's telling this story, and then I look over at my sister and she's over here going like cutting her arm.
Speaker 3:Yep, I knew it was coming. She's probably a cutter, and so I don't recommend that whatsoever.
Speaker 2:That's very unhealthy, yeah. And nail polish is not a good idea and you know if you do, you know if you are a person that you know does use cutting as a relief.
Speaker 3:A form of stimulation. Stimulation, it's not a good out. Know it's good out. It's not a good out, we want to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we want to be sympathetic towards that, because I know that it can be a problem. She also told a friend that she would like to draw dots all over somebody's body and play connect the dots with a knife and then pour vinegar in the wounds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, that's where the problem comes into play, like if you're doing something to yourself and then you associate that to other people. It's unhealthy.
Speaker 3:Right. I don't think she had a lot of parents around her either. Her dad was gone all the time. She had been a latchkey kid and her mom was probably working.
Speaker 2:Well, that was a huge problem in the 80s. It definitely was 80s like it was. You know it's in 90s when we do a lot of these cases in in time periods before 2010. You can just tell there was a lot of unsupervised shit because there was with us. I used to ride my bike for four miles away from my house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, shelly can tell you, we ran amok as kids. We did what the fuck ever?
Speaker 3:all the time it was nobody knew where we were, we would eat from neighbor's house drink from the water hose, ride our bikes and play me too, and I would go shower and time to take a shower, eat dinner, go to bed and wake up and go to school and do it all over again welcome to post, gen x yeah, we were well shelly's still, gen x, you and I are millennials, yeah you're gen x so I was born in 79.
Speaker 2:You are, uh, a baby Gen X.
Speaker 3:Basically you are one of the last, okay, but and then Jessie and I are a month away from being millennial because, I was born November of 79 yes so I'm riding right there and I would go to the neighbor's house that I thought had the best snacks that I knew.
Speaker 2:I'm like you know what? They've got Slim Jim's and Debbie Cakes at their house. I'm going to go over there.
Speaker 3:Believe it or not, our house was a safe space, though, Jesse. We had a lot of friends come over to our house. We had a lot of people come over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I've heard stories.
Speaker 3:Our friends always hung out at our place.
Speaker 1:Well, y'all's mom, always has the fun house.
Speaker 3:As we moved to Florida.
Speaker 1:When we got it, because we were always freaking.
Speaker 2:But, before y'all had a hard time the first 10 or 12 years of our lives was different than those last. So Carla's first boyfriend, doug, says that Carla was very moody, she was obsessed with death and would always threaten suicide when things were going her way. It puts a bad rap on people who actually suffer with suicidal thoughts when you're just like I'm going to kill myself because you know. To seek attention To seek attention Right and unfortunately there are people that actually suffer with those thoughts and it's not recognized.
Speaker 2:because of people like carla, she didn't have no intention of that. She probably met him down there at the train tracks she would write weird messages in her friend's yearbooks, like death kicks and bones rule yeah, so she was just stuck into whatever was negative and dark for her whole emotional being it.
Speaker 1:It's just not healthy to keep and then to portray that on other people. It's just not healthy, Right.
Speaker 3:Her boyfriend was into it too.
Speaker 2:No Well, carla says that Doug was as boring as salt and pepper being your main seasonings. But I also saw in some sources that Carla was a girly girl and thought of nothing but getting married, and her and her friends had a diamond club talking about the diamond rings that they wanted from their future fiancés. Shelly, were you ever like the girl that pictured the diamond ring? Not me, absolutely not.
Speaker 1:I never fantasized about my weddings or nothing like that when I was a kid, I was a tomboy. The perfect man Come on.
Speaker 3:No, I was more manly than most of all my men.
Speaker 2:My engagement ring has an amethyst, and that's what I wanted. I picked it out.
Speaker 3:I mean, don't get me wrong, we like jewelry.
Speaker 2:But I've never been a diamond fan. It's whatever. I'd rather have colored stones. They're way cooler, especially purple amethysts. Dark and girly can go hand in hand. But, like I said, you literally find two different versions of Carla. But I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. So before graduating high school, she got a job at number one pet center. Don't let her mess with the hamsters.
Speaker 1:Parachutes, here we come.
Speaker 2:But she did want to work. She wanted to work with animals and her and her coworker, debbie, were invited to a pet industry convention in Toronto at the Hojo. Remember Howard Johnson? Yeah, in October of 1987. And she was 17 at this time.
Speaker 1:We used to think the Hojo was the tits.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If you were staying at the Hojo. It was the tits.
Speaker 2:You were bougie, if you were staying at the Hojo.
Speaker 1:You were a diamond princess if you were bougie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you were staying at the hotel, you were a diamond princess. Well, while they were having dinner at the hotel restaurant, they were approached by two guys on the prowl for young girls. One of those guys was Paul Bernardo, and for Carla and Paul it was love. Well, mostly lust at first sight. Well, mostly lust at first sight. Paul Bernardo was born on August 27th 1962 to Marilyn and Kenneth Bernardo. Welcome to the party, paul. Upon arriving in this world, he horrified his mother immediately to the point of screaming, because he had a huge black mark on the side of his face. Turns out, this was just a large blood clot that dissolved with time. It took like six weeks.
Speaker 3:Hemangioma or something it's called, I think.
Speaker 2:You know, I didn't even look into that that's probably what it was. So, kenneth, who was Paul's father? He was a very rigid, buttoned up man and who would, for example, mow his yard in a suit. Wow, yeah, that's way too hot. What the fuck was that I mean, I guess you can in Canada it probably don't ever get really hot up there.
Speaker 1:Canada's different. Was it a Canadian tuxedo?
Speaker 2:If you mow your yard in a suit in Florida, you better change.
Speaker 1:So it's like all You're going to smell like straight stank BO. All denim, the whole Canadian tuxedo. He's out there. Hey, how's it going, eh, hey, mow your yard today.
Speaker 2:eh, oh, my God Stop it.
Speaker 1:I love Canadians for real.
Speaker 2:Yes, we do. We do so well, kenneth. He was a peeping Tom and a pedophile and he raped his own eight-year-old daughter fuck him in front of the family, and he also abused his wife.
Speaker 2:It also came to light after a while that ken was not paul's biological father. Paul's mother had grown tired of kenneth's bullshit and had an affair with a man named bill who had she had actually wanted to marry. But for some reason, I guess, her family pressured her into marrying Kenneth because he made more money. So she had this affair with Bill and apparently Paul was conceived on the very day that Kennedy was shot.
Speaker 3:Hmm, yes.
Speaker 2:We just talked about that on the last yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, these are yeah they use Kennedy a lot on the last podcast. Yeah Well, these are. Yeah, they used.
Speaker 2:Kennedy a lot In the 60s. Mm-hmm Kennedy was a huge household name.
Speaker 1:I want to tell a story about the time that was on the John F Kennedy.
Speaker 2:We will Maybe when we cover JFK oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that'll be. I got to go on the JFK aircraft carrier one time and I'll tell that story later on.
Speaker 2:So later on, as kind of a fuck you to Ken, she showed a picture of Bill to Paul and said this is your father. You're a bastard and you might as well get used to it. This woman was not well at all. She started living in the basement of the home when Paul was a teenager. She would not feed the kids and she would hide food under her own bed, because I guess Kenneth was always talking about y'all are going to eat me out of house and home, so she would hide the food.
Speaker 3:She's suffering a little bit. Yeah, she was very unwell.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, he ends up becoming a convicted peeping Tom and pedophile, and he had raped her own daughter, as moms we do, you know, keep chocolate in our bedroom. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds a little different. Well, Paul would refer to her and call her, to her face, a slob and a whore regularly. So Paul also had a birth defect where his tongue was fused to his palate. So it's almost like this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he had no little. Yeah, it's called tongue-tied.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And it made him non-verbal for a long time. But they had a procedure correcting this defect and after that he never stopped talking.
Speaker 1:That's why they had to cut that little piece underneath of there. Oh, it sucks.
Speaker 3:People pierce that.
Speaker 1:Yeah and well, I've met some people that have that their tongue barely can like. If they're like, stick out your tongue, they can't do it, I'll stick out your tongue.
Speaker 2:Let me see, show me that I'm like uh, he even earned the name Silver Tongue Devil. In his teenage years he was handsome and had a spellbinding personality and was the king of first impressions. Unfortunately, like Carla, but worse, he had a dark side. Following in the footsteps of Ken, paul started peeping and was even caught, but nothing was done about it. He collected underwear ads of older women and young girls, and he liked BDSM porn and was also partial to urination and defecation porn by now this was the 70s 80s well, yeah, no, he was a teenager in the 80s uh, early 80s and then yeah, so it gets real rough into the late 80s now.
Speaker 2:So paul was a greed driven young man as well and he wanted badly to be part of the booming yuppie society in the 80s. And that makes me think of patrick bateman from american psycho. Oh, man, there was so much to that we rewatched we rewatched that movie all the time, just to understand it more we have to.
Speaker 1:You have to watch american cycle like four times just to find out what really fucking.
Speaker 2:And then I googled it and went into a deep dive and it was literally about corporate greed in america. Corporate greed.
Speaker 1:That's all it was about. But like how it portrayed all of that in the middle of all that, that was, that was genius.
Speaker 2:That was a genius ass movie very yeah, it's one of our favorites so good, run around naked in a chainsaw with his tighty whities. It'll grow With his tiny whiteys Ew gross. He looked good.
Speaker 1:Shut up. He was ripped dude. I got a man crush on his ass.
Speaker 2:You got a man crush on Christian Bale.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Actually, you know what he plays a villain very well. He's very good at it, he does.
Speaker 1:And that whole bloody with his face and he's all like Well, I really liked him in the latest Thor face and he's all like.
Speaker 2:Well, I really liked him in um the latest thor movie like this is sue studio.
Speaker 1:Yes, he's like fixing to fuck him. I have to go return some videotapes.
Speaker 2:Yes, go ahead, but I did like him in the latest thor movie you just you.
Speaker 1:You can't bring this into that. This is going to be fucking horrific, I know well. It is going to be like real fucking.
Speaker 2:So I'm, I'm laying the ground, I'm laying the bricks on the foundation.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is um. This is the gosh twisted yes.
Speaker 2:So paul worked at a couple restaurants. He did newspaper delivery and did a few security guard jobs. Then he started hanging out with these three boys named steve, alex and van smmyrnis, smyrnis, smyrnis. They were neighbors and they would come up with money-making schemes all the time, and the Smyrnis brothers were already petty criminals and their father owned a Greek restaurant and they would use the restaurant food to trade for stolen gas and illegal fishing. That was working Greek yes, greek restaurant, and they were kind of gross to women food to trade for stolen gas and illegal fishing.
Speaker 2:That was working Greek yes, greek restaurant so and they were kind of gross to women and Paul looked up to their behavior but he, like, surpassed their, their level later on. So, paul, he went to the university of Toronto, scarborough, and started dating a girl named Jennifer Galligan in 1986. And Jennifer was still in high school, paul was, he was in college. With Jennifer he would start showing his true, sexually sadistic colors, and he had been. He'd been keeping that under wraps pretty well for a while, but he started just letting it out.
Speaker 1:I see your true colors.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, don't Don't bring Phil Collins into this, okay? And then it'll be stuck in our head.
Speaker 2:Yes, so she said that Paul would get sexually aggressive at the same time every day Around 11 pm, midnight and at 2 am, and when he drank he was violent. Jennifer thinks that Paul was actually sexually involved with the smyrna's brothers because they were always finding excuses to touch each other. He would not ask for, but demand anal sex, and his thoughts of anal sex were that that's how you show dominance over a woman and that's how you would make her love you.
Speaker 3:Oh, god, he already was freaking out with the mother boys.
Speaker 1:Yes, so you're on top of the mountain.
Speaker 2:I don't want to shame anybody that enjoys that? No, as long as it's consensual, and you know, everything is reciprocated.
Speaker 1:But you don't have to get on top of the mountain. That way, you know, you don't have to feel like you're just dominating.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:Make sure all parties involved are enjoying it, and it's nothing to fucking. She apparently wouldn't enjoy it. No, it's nothing to be like you're overcoming anything. It's just a personal preference and you're just doing that for both certifications. There's no dominance.
Speaker 3:There's no no dominance, it's just, that's what's satisfying him. Yeah, right, that's it.
Speaker 2:Yes yeah, because he liked uh, he liked inflicting, and he would also do things like using wine bottles to see how far he could go.
Speaker 1:There's a mindset there where you're just not healthy? Yeah, it's not healthy.
Speaker 2:Jennifer would also say that on her graduation he strangled her. I mean she survived, because she's telling the story. He strangled her and then anallyled her. I mean she survived because she's telling the story. He strangled her and then anally raped her and he would take nude photos of her and would threaten to post them on her church bulletin board if she ever left him In the name of. Jesus, in the name of Jesus.
Speaker 2:So it's just like Because you couldn't threaten the exposure on the internet back then. So I guess church bulletin is the next Biggest, biggest. Yeah, that was that was it. That was how you would shame somebody if you posted it on a bullet, because bulletin boards were everywhere.
Speaker 3:Much younger than him too. Yeah, she was so intimidated and already scared yes, but at that I mean it's just.
Speaker 2:I can't even say that I would leave, because you don't know how in her young mind she was thinking that if that was her first, she might think that that's how all men are and she just had to please him no, I don't plow the cornfield, I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't play in the back than the back door I just no wine bottle using for you no god I would you know I would never feel like I'm trying to dominate my woman. No as far.
Speaker 3:But we're gonna have our fun, we're gonna do our thing, but there's nothing like that, and I'm, I'm not trying to dominate my woman, no as far.
Speaker 1:But we're gonna have our fun, we're gonna do our thing, but there's nothing like that, and I'm I'm not trying to talk to you like this around my sister over here well, and I want to say that this is how.
Speaker 2:This is how assholes get away with shit like this, because they will threaten to shame a female, so they'll keep quiet you don't tie that into anything.
Speaker 3:as far as being empowering, he didn't love her, he just used her.
Speaker 1:Exactly that's where I'm going, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, right before graduating college, Paul got a very well-paying job as an accountant at Price Waterhouse Accounting Firm, and one night, while he and Van Smyrnis were out hunting for girls, they saw Carla Homaka and her friend Debbie at the hojo. They had heard this place was great for finding girls, so they were on the prowl.
Speaker 3:Again, the hojo was the business, it was the business.
Speaker 2:That's the hookup and I want to make it. He was 23 and Carla was 17. Another young one for him to manipulate and for them, like I said before, it was love, but basically lust at first sight. Within the hour they were back in the girls' hotel room with Debbie and Van sitting right there. They had sex for four hours. Wow, Four hours.
Speaker 1:I mean not at 43. Wow, four hours. I mean not at 43.
Speaker 2:I mean first of all ew you just met and ew that these two just sat there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they could have got up and left the room.
Speaker 2:But it is said that Van Smyrna's actually liked getting Paul's sloppy seconds.
Speaker 3:There we go.
Speaker 2:But Paul wasn't sharing this one.
Speaker 3:There were probably some alcohol involved. Oh, I mean, I don't know about the girls, but Paul and Van were probably already fucked up when they got there, they probably brung alcohol to the room for them to help loosen them up, because they were 23.
Speaker 1:That's disgusting as fuck to sit there and let all that happen.
Speaker 2:This was a regular occurrence for these boys, for Paul and the Smirnes brothers. The Smirnes brothers were Smirnes there had to have been some white girl in that deal there. That's what I wanted to know. More than likely, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was some cocaine, Cocaine happening.
Speaker 2:Well, after that uncomfortable situation, Paul and Carla hit it off right away. He swept her off her feet, he love-bombed the shit out of her and Carla liked that. He was exciting. So Carla, she lived in the St Catharines area, where Paul lived in the Scarborough area, and this is still all in Toronto. It's very confusing.
Speaker 3:Toronto's huge though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's Toronto, ontario, and then they live in these provinces of that area and it's about two hours apart from each other St Catherine's and um Scarborough.
Speaker 1:Beautiful country, though I love it. God is so beautiful up there.
Speaker 2:Well, paul would make the. It was about, like I said, an hour hour and a half to two hour drive every weekend and he would stay with the Homolka family. Carla's parents loved him and would call him their weekend son, and her sisters loved him as well. On paper, paul was perfect. He was handsome, preppy and had a very well-paying job. Paul at first would sleep on the couch, of course, because you know she's 17, he's 23. But of course he would sneak into Carla's room to do the nasty.
Speaker 3:Heck, yeah, he done. Tore it up for four hours in the hojo On the first night. Within the hour he's definitely sneaking into the room.
Speaker 2:I think it was actually. I mean what I heard in several sources. It was like within 30 minutes. Yeah, what 30 minutes?
Speaker 3:There was definitely alcohol or some white girl involved there.
Speaker 2:Regular sex. It wasn't good enough for Paul and he started to talk about his other fantasies, and his fantasy at this time was to peep on Carla's little sister, tammy, who was 13 or 14 at the time. Come on, dude, and Carla was okay with it.
Speaker 3:Come on, dude.
Speaker 2:Only because she liked him, and she even broke Tammy's shade for easier access for Paul.
Speaker 3:So that he could look better through the shade. Oh, freaking nasty.
Speaker 2:So while he's seeing Carla and peeping on Tammy, he's actually still dating Jennifer and in True Cheater's MO he started accusing Jennifer of cheating. She ignored this and still gave him a really cool sweater for his graduation and for this. For some reason, this gift made him very angry and he started doing like do she ask donuts in the parking lot? Like who gets mad at a sweater? No, if you want to destroy my sweater.
Speaker 1:I don't have anything for it, but we got to see Weezer. But we got to see Weezer.
Speaker 2:We did get to see Weezer and it was amazing.
Speaker 1:As I walk away.
Speaker 3:As I walk away Speaking of Weezer, real quick sidetrack.
Speaker 2:I think it was his bassist. She got shot.
Speaker 1:No, it was his wife.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was his bassist wife yeah, got shot. New stuff and is now in jail for the attempted murder of a police officer.
Speaker 1:That shit just went down.
Speaker 2:Didn't know that, because the police were on a manhunt and I guess they came into her yard and she shot at them. So they shot at her and they actually shot her. Yeah, and I guess she shot one of the police officers as well. But why'd they come into her yard?
Speaker 3:They were on a manhunt for another assailant.
Speaker 1:For.
Speaker 3:Another whole different.
Speaker 2:Uh, yeah, she's lying on the floor and she oh my god, stop it lying on the floor anyway so jennifer was like dude, you're insane, it's over, take me home.
Speaker 2:Good job, jennifer. Anyway. Yes. So paul does agree to take her home, but at every single red light on the way to her house he would grab her hair and hit her. And then after a while, before getting home, he pulls over into a secluded area, pulls out a knife and he was going to stab her, but he dropped the knife in between the seats on accident and she takes the fuck off.
Speaker 1:What a fucker man.
Speaker 2:And she never sees him again.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Later she does report this and also says that Paul owed her $2,000 and his checks to her had bounced, and this gets noted but does not get investigated for some time and I think the document had actually been dated for the wrong year.
Speaker 3:Good thing he dropped the knife between the seats. We get mad when we drop stuff, but that was a blessing.
Speaker 2:Yes, let me go ahead and pop the top on this one. I'm on pineapple this today. All right, so now Carla has Paul's full attention, and even though Paul was not happy that she was used goods because she had already lost her virginity to somebody else Really he liked virgins and Well, yeah, he's peeping at the 12 year old and he wants to sodomize.
Speaker 1:He wants to bugger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he wants to bugger and he wants a virgin. Yeah, but and so Carla? She'll do literally anything to please him and to keep her. Man, paul and Carla's sex life goes into full blown like per man. Paul and Carla's sex life goes into full-blown BDSM status. Then Paul asks Carla straight up how she would feel if he was a rapist.
Speaker 1:So he's just wanting to turn all this up to full-on, just, and he wants somebody to have a little interest, and she was cool with it. Oh.
Speaker 3:Of course she was. She was already letting him look at her little sister.
Speaker 1:So she's infatuated again, just like the last one we were talking about, and it can be so manipulative when a woman is just so infatuated with a man and you can change her into doing whatever the fuck you want.
Speaker 3:He's a narcissistic person too.
Speaker 2:Well unbeknownst to her, paul had already been a rapist. Oh, he had Well. First I want to say this Most of his rapes and attempted rapes would go unreported because he would threaten the women or girls that he assaulted and statistically, 66 percent of rapes go unreported if the person is a stranger. So he always made sure it was people he didn't know, especially in the 80s. So trigger warning. I'm about to list.
Speaker 3:That's all trigger warning to begin with, I've been one saying that he was already a rapist before but nobody really reported it.
Speaker 2:This is fixing to be a lot.
Speaker 1:I've been puddled over here in this corner because, like I'm trying to be, I'm trying to play it cool because my sister's with me, but at the same time, I'm really being puddled right now. This is a lot of shit.
Speaker 2:This dude is horrible and it's like when you sober up from the drinks later on, you're like ugh.
Speaker 3:She's not innocent either, though.
Speaker 2:No, she's already got a past and we're going to cover more of that on part two, but you'll see here in a minute. Okay, so I'm going to list the reported rapes in order.
Speaker 3:She's fixing to allow this man to do the most, and you're fixing to drop it right now.
Speaker 1:Drop it All the shit on me, All right let me fly. Well, I'm trying to play cool because my sister's here.
Speaker 2:I know Y'all hold hands.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not holding hands. She's over here like. I don't know anything about the story either, and I really don't.
Speaker 3:I thought I would know by now, but I do not. On may 4th again.
Speaker 2:may the 4th uh 1987, he followed a 21 year old to her home and attacked her in front of her fucking house. On May 14th 1987, he raped a 19-year-old in her parents' backyard On July 27th. This was an attempt, but fail when the girl fought back 1987 again Still 1987. Yeah, I'll let you know when we get to further years. December 16th. That's my birthday 1987, he raped a 15 year old. After this there was a bolo issued and a warning to young women To not be out alone, and he now had a name.
Speaker 3:So that's what they know he's done.
Speaker 2:These are just reported.
Speaker 1:That whole area.
Speaker 2:He's just fucking Up some shit after this one he got the name the scarborough rapist stalker. These crimes were mostly committed, uh, around the local bus station where he would pull the victim in between two houses to commit the crime. So on december 23rd, same 87, he raped a 17-year-old.
Speaker 3:So from the 16th to the 23rd he was I mean.
Speaker 2:Oh, he hardly has any cooling off period for a while. On April 18th 1988, he attacked another 17-year-old On May 25th 88, he was almost caught because they were now staking out the bus station but Paul got away. But he was almost caught because they were now staking out the bus station but Paul got away, but he was not done. He then went on 25 miles to the Clarkson area and on May 30th 1988, he attacked a 18-year-old from that area On October 4th.
Speaker 2:he had another failed attempt. This girl fought back, but he stabbed her in the thigh and the buttocks. It just starts escalating now okay, he's getting more violent with it.
Speaker 1:You gotta stop man. There's more yeah.
Speaker 2:On November 16th 1988, he attacked another 18-year-old in her parents' backyard. So now, after this, there is a task force formed into finding this fucker, and Paul's not wearing anything to cover his face because he is attacking them from behind and wielding a knife. He would make these girls tell them that they loved him, just fucking degrade them to the lowest. He would actually say you know, tell me Merry Christmas what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, happy birthday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say happy birthday.
Speaker 3:Tell me happy birthday.
Speaker 2:He would make them say that he was better than their boyfriend.
Speaker 3:Just yeah, complete While he's raping them. Tell me I'm better. Tell me my dick's bigger. Tell me all the things Exactly.
Speaker 2:So on December 27th he had another failed attempt and a neighbor saw him and chased him off.
Speaker 3:He fed off of all of it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because he doesn't slow down. On June 20th 1989. So now we're in 89. He failed again and this victim fought back and screamed, alerting neighbors and a man another man I forgot to write his name down. He was actually identified for this and spent 16 months in prison for something that Paul did.
Speaker 3:Oh, so he was a bystander neighbor trying to help.
Speaker 2:Or I think he may have been involved in the girl's life that Paul attacked you were right, though, because this is the most horrible thing that I've heard so far.
Speaker 1:I wonder if he was a pedo too.
Speaker 3:I mean 16 years. He did 16 months. You'll find out later why, but I think it was so she false identified him yes.
Speaker 2:Or either he was involved in her life already and that was the only person that they could think of.
Speaker 1:That would possibly do something like that. You're dumping such a pile of shit and he's still going.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm not done. Oh God. August 15th 1989, he stalks a 22-year-old. He waits for her outside of her house and attacked her when she got home. On November 21st 89, he attacked a 15-year-old and now he's at the bus station again. I don't know if it was the Scarborough bus station or in the Clarkson, but yeah, we're at a bus station again.
Speaker 3:He's rerouted his MO there.
Speaker 2:On December 22nd he attacked a 19-year-old on the stairwell of an underground parking lot and then the next day he proposed to Carla.
Speaker 3:What the fuck. Meanwhile he's going home at night to Carla and still having sex with her and relations with her.
Speaker 2:And she's not suspecting nothing. They're not coexisting yet.
Speaker 1:Okay so he's still the weekend guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's still the weekend, boyfriend.
Speaker 1:What a disgusting son of a bitch.
Speaker 3:So Carla's definitely not enough for him.
Speaker 2:So on May 26th he attacked this is 89, he attacked a 19-year-old, but he got cocky and he let her see all of him and she remembered everything about him. And now police had a composite sketch yeah, fuck you. And this sketch looked exactly like Paul Bernardo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got you To the T, we got you back freckle.
Speaker 3:I don't know if we got it yet.
Speaker 2:They don't, and now there's $150,000 reward for any information, so this gets people talking that are like holy shit. That's Paul Bernardo.
Speaker 1:We know him because he was well known. Well, he just had the whole fucking community tied into this shit.
Speaker 2:So a bank teller who knew Paul, who dealt with him often, she called in. And also the wife of one of the Smyrna's brothers, she called in.
Speaker 3:There we go.
Speaker 2:And Tina even told police that Paul was very open about his desires for rough sex and anal sex. For some reason, her saying that made her story unbelievable. I'm so disgusted, because how dare a woman speak of that?
Speaker 1:nature. I'm disgusted in this human being.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a woman couldn't stand up for herself. And oh, he wants all this and wants all that. And then them look at her like well, you're allowing it.
Speaker 2:So all paul's attacks were very violent and would last anywhere from 30 minutes to two hours. He would carve on them with his knife, raped by sr oh scarborough rapist. He would do that on some of the victims, he would stomp on them. He broke one victim's collarbone and each attack was more brutal than the last.
Speaker 3:He just pulled them down for a while there and escalating.
Speaker 1:You know. I just want to raise a glass, though, to our famous football player out of Lake City, florida. His last name was Scarborough.
Speaker 3:Was he? Let's bring him into this.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Poor fella.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's the church that my family went to when we lived in Lakeland. The preacher's last name was Scarborough, and that's who I thought of the whole time.
Speaker 1:So yeah, bo Scarborough Lake City's famous.
Speaker 3:There's your info. If you want to read it.
Speaker 1:Scarborough has been a name. The last name has just been hitting me so hard over here and that's a thing in Lake City too, that last name.
Speaker 3:Yeah, alabama Crimson Tide.
Speaker 1:Seattle Seahawks Dallas.
Speaker 2:Cow big city too, like that last name.
Speaker 1:So yeah, alabama crimson tide. Yeah, he did great, I mean detroit lions and las vegas raiders yeah, out of columbia high, but that's just been hitting me so hard. The last name, it's just been I had to bring it around I had to break away because lindsey has just dropped so much shit on me right now yeah, and I don't know how to Take a deep breath.
Speaker 3:I am deep breathing the whole time We'll bring and comprehend how a dude would do all this crazy stuff.
Speaker 2:No, well, because you don't think like that.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Thank God, thank God, thank God. So during this like three year span of crimes, paul left his accounting job and him and the Smiryrna brothers sold marked up worms to fishermen so they would buy them wholesale right, that's the cheaper price, mark them up and then sell them.
Speaker 1:Retail it's convenience. Nobody gives a shit. As long as you can get a bucket of worms and fish, they don't give a fuck what the price.
Speaker 2:Well, they also joined one of the most famous multi-level marketing companies ever. Amway, amway. Did y'all know anybody from?
Speaker 1:amway the the pyramid triangle fucking my parents were in amway yeah, it was just it was such a scam.
Speaker 2:We don't know nothing. Amway was such a scam. I know about. It was mostly ran in religious circles too, especially through like with. Uh, if you went to like, oh fuck yeah, amway is going to use jesus oh yeah, they use everywhere.
Speaker 3:Apparently I was well, you know what's fucked up well you remember how okay, so you loved Amway is going to use Jesus. Oh yeah, they use Jesus everywhere. Apparently, I was not there. Well, you know what's fucked up.
Speaker 2:Well, you remember how okay, so you loved our music teacher in elementary school.
Speaker 1:I did. Okay, you did too, mr Royster.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:We probably don't need to drop his name, but we did. Well, they don't know his first name.
Speaker 2:But so I told you that he treated me very badly, right? Yeah, well, he was, he was in, he was in amway, and so were my parents, and when my parents got out of amway, I got shunned. What is amway? So it's a multi-level marketing company and they sold everything. They sold household products, snacks you know and I don't like we had.
Speaker 1:Uh, I mean, I've been around you know and they sold in bulk like sam's club I remember when ollie's dad was into that like really big too one of my best friends that were oh yeah, we had amway dish soap.
Speaker 2:We had amway snacks.
Speaker 1:We had amway chewing gum it was a big thing back then and and lindsey got shunned because of that shit for real.
Speaker 3:It was like he treated me really bad me because I, because your parents were in the church with him, you as a child.
Speaker 1:Yes, as a child. Why take it out on a kid? Because your parents aren't joining your fucking pyramid scheme?
Speaker 3:His first name I do know. Oh yeah, See, they sold everything.
Speaker 2:They're still going obviously.
Speaker 3:There's the logo. Maybe I do know that logo. Yeah, you do. They have face products, everything. Oh, there's the logo. Yeah, so maybe I do know that logo yeah, yeah, you do.
Speaker 2:They have face products, everything Skin care, all of it.
Speaker 1:It was a big thing in the 80s and 90s.
Speaker 2:Everything that you can think of you want. They had it.
Speaker 1:Fucking pyramid scheme 80s and 90s.
Speaker 2:We didn't buy name brand chips, we had Amway chips yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, a pyramid scheme it really was.
Speaker 2:And it was a lot. Like I said, it was a lot in, it was big in the religious community and if you didn't have anybody underneath of you supporting you.
Speaker 1:you weren't being on top of the pyramid, so fuck you. That's what they believed. That was what they were trained to do.
Speaker 2:During the Amway time he got obsessed with the motivational speaker Tony Robbins Y'all probably know that guy and he wanted to become a motivational speaker himself.
Speaker 3:This rapist Of course, silver tongue, oh silver tongue.
Speaker 1:He needs to be fucking castrated by now.
Speaker 2:Then he would go on to make a living smuggling cigarettes across the border to the US, and he also wanted to get into evangelical Christianity. Here we go. Because there was so much money he kept the cigarette thing going. He was working all angles. He could have just stayed at his accountant job because he made six figures there at 23 years old.
Speaker 3:It wasn't enough for the thrill.
Speaker 1:He had that white girl involved. I guarantee it. We need to find out if this guy was fucking hopped up on some cocaine, I swear it.
Speaker 2:No sources told me that.
Speaker 1:No sources told you this.
Speaker 2:So we can just imagine that it probably was the thing, or if not, he was just evil, like naturally, naturally. So Paul also got into the rap game a little bit after he became obsessed with our boy Rob Van Winkle. Rob Van Winkle.
Speaker 3:Hey.
Speaker 2:Katie, uncle Fanny.
Speaker 1:Vanilla Ice, vanilla Ice. Remember when Vanilla Ice tried to do New Metal.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that was very brief.
Speaker 1:That was with Ross Robinson I know the fucking producer of Korn and it flopped, it flopped so fucking hard or something. Now, yeah, you see, rob you see, rob is playing it though, but yeah, damn, I'd actually okay.
Speaker 2:So where he was called uncle vanny in that fucking movie, okay. So I love adam saylor, we are huge adam saylor fans, but that's my boy was the most fucked up movie I think Adam Sandler's ever done. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:Shelby has probably watched it 900 times.
Speaker 2:The incest, bro, the incest. But Uncle Vanny, and then the new kids on the block tattoo where their heads stretched out as he grew oh my God, because they put it on him when he was like nine. Poor thing it did, it did. But I have to. We, me and Jesse, like choked on our popcorn laughing.
Speaker 3:We wouldn't saw that in the theaters.
Speaker 2:You're a brand, brand alpha bloke yeah so he, he uh went by, he dyed his hair and he went by the name Young Hype and he made an album called Deadly Innocence fuck you, young Hype.
Speaker 1:Yes, fuck you and Deadly Innocence. Fuck you, young hype.
Speaker 2:Yes, fuck you. And according to many sources and I heard some of the lyrics myself it's awful. I found a little bit of the lyrics you did, so you want to read just a little bit? It's like a paragraph.
Speaker 3:Definitely.
Speaker 1:Some of him is spitting.
Speaker 2:Just so we can clown on that, let me see if I can do it like a rapper Like and do it like a rapper Like heh man, you think I'm innocent, but behind this I'm packing a lot of deadliness. So come at me, man, take your best shot. See what happens to you, pal, you're out of here. Man, you come at me with your beer, your beer, pot belly. You think you're really tough and tough Pot belly.
Speaker 3:I think he had a little bit of animosity toward guys. Maybe too I'm garbage right now.
Speaker 2:He hated everybody. Hang on, let me get the beat going.
Speaker 1:Hang on, wait ready, You're on, pop now man.
Speaker 2:I come back with my beat boy hat looking like I'm 13 years old and I'll kick your ass and fucking blow your fucking head off.
Speaker 1:I'll kill your ass and fucking blow your fucking head off. I'll kill your fucking parents.
Speaker 2:I'll come after fucking, shoot your girlfriend and fucking your sister. Man, I'll fuck your sister. I'll fuck your girlfriend. I'll shoot the rest of you.
Speaker 1:Lindsay no, See this. Wait a minute. What? What just happened? I'm the solo creep Sleep. I was over here grooving boo, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:Hey, wait a minute, isn't it awful?
Speaker 1:it's fucking terrible, that's fucking horrible he didn't make it yeah, let's do another one no no okay we're done, we're done, you're done all right.
Speaker 2:So paul and carla are now engaged and planning an elaborate 80s wedding, and Paul is also now residing with the Homolkas. So it's what? 89, now we're in 1990. Good job, I was just about to say that. So Paul moved to St Catharines and guess what stopped the Scarborough Rapist.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Because he moved.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:He couldn't do his dirt God, but I mean that's a good thing.
Speaker 3:Oh no, he's fixing to still keep doing that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, strap in. Y'all Buckle your seatbelts. It's about to get worse.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going to let you fly, because I'm going to take a drink out of my travelers.
Speaker 3:Let me take one too, because, fuck, I got to read this. You're going to quit drinking that and go to them.
Speaker 1:Little fruity, them Trillies, oh, the Vista Bays, but traveling. I'm going to let Lindsay go ahead because I'm going to travel.
Speaker 2:So Paul is obsessed with Tammy, Carla's younger sister, and Carla has been allowing him to peep on Tammy, slowly trying to get her to allow him to take Tammy's virginity.
Speaker 3:Wait, who's Tammy Tammy is?
Speaker 1:Carla's 15-year-old sister yeah he's been wanting to fuck with her and she was letting it be cool.
Speaker 3:Since she's 12.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, Paul wanted an open relationship, like Ian and Myra.
Speaker 3:Oh, all of a sudden.
Speaker 2:But Carla wasn't about it, but she was okay with a threesome, but the third person would be her 15-year-old sister.
Speaker 3:Little did Carla know. So why do you have my sister here All the?
Speaker 1:time you have my sister here talking about sisterage. I'm so sorry. And this is garbage-ass sisterage.
Speaker 3:Carla's little sister probably had a crush on him secretly too, she did. Yes, I got a feeling, but he's always been nice to her.
Speaker 2:Yes, he was nice to her, he groomed her.
Speaker 3:He was.
Speaker 2:Uncle Paul. Her shorts were always super cute, so on video. So Paul had got A camcorder.
Speaker 1:You can't come at me like that, Shelly.
Speaker 3:Girls. No, I'm just saying like right now.
Speaker 1:We've experienced things with older women that have done that. Y'all are double-teaming me right now. Are you double-teaming?
Speaker 2:me. But you're not gross, you're not a pervert, I'm just saying like, this is garbage and that's why you don't grasp this concept. Yes, no, I have, because if you were about this right now, we'd be getting divorced. Be like get out, yes, telling me how cute I look when I'm 12, 14 and I'm like little, did I know? Well, I mean, I have regulars who's uh, you know, couples whose husbands will attempt to flirt with me and phone to their wives and then I definitely had several.
Speaker 2:I divert the attention to the wife. I'll look at them and be like so how are you doing, how you know?
Speaker 3:I will take it right off me.
Speaker 2:I haven't experienced that, but thank God, cause I don't know, I'm glad my wife diverts. That's garbage. No, I put all the attention on the female. Tell her she's beautiful, whatever.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, y'all corner me, though I swear it, I know it.
Speaker 2:So Paul's got, he's got a camcorder and he's videoing everything, okay, and they start making sex tapes where Carla is role-playing as Tammy during sex. By the way, carla also nicknames his member Snuffles and calls him King. Oh, snuffleupagus.
Speaker 1:Don't you ever do that to Snuffleupagus. Don't you ever do that to Snuffleupagus, don't you ever?
Speaker 2:do that. Well, you have to know that it's the 80s. That's where that came from. Definitely he was an elephant.
Speaker 1:He was a woolly mammoth though right. Wasn't that what Snuffleupagus was I?
Speaker 2:always loved his eyelashes.
Speaker 1:They were so cute. What do you think about that real quick? What do you think about that real quick? Like they're bringing back dire wolves and then a woolly mammoth is coming.
Speaker 2:Well, I told you my love of Game of Thrones. I want one dire wolf and I want one dragon.
Speaker 3:It don't belong. It's not 100% dire wolf. I watched a whole documentary. They're like using a gray wolf's DNA with it 75%, but there's only, I think, two or three that they actually did but a dire wolf is they're gonna have to make war for them to even breed them together. So it's gonna take them a while, but, um, it seems like some.
Speaker 2:I want one named amira, I'm gonna go ahead and say some hitler where he tried to, you know, do a bunch of crazy stuff and well, he tried, but he didn't really try.
Speaker 1:He wasn't successful. But he was like so they're doing it and they are successful oh, it's garbage, and don't let us know what you think about that how many movies are out there that says this is not a good idea. Yeah, we're like we can think of five movies right now Go off though, yeah, right now. That does not support any of this bullshit. Don't bring back a dire wolf, what are they like?
Speaker 3:eight feet tall, that's got to be the biggest predator to ever exist and they bring it back.
Speaker 1:And then now a woolly mammoth which is twice the size of any elephant you've ever seen in your life, with Chewbacca mixed with it.
Speaker 3:Come on, chewbacca, yeah but at least the elephants are not invasive and they're not trying to take over population.
Speaker 1:No, they're supposed to keep it in captivity or whatever, but it does not need to happen. What the fuck does not need to happen as far as what the fuck does it change to?
Speaker 3:do that. The monkeys got loose in North Carolina during the hurricane.
Speaker 2:Well, what I saw was, you know, we're out here recreating direwolves, but we haven't cured cancer yet, so that's where I'm at.
Speaker 3:But it's 20 years for direwolves to get out of a cage too, and then there we go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here we go. Direwolves are going to come and fuck our children up.
Speaker 3:They're coming to kill every kid you've ever had I swear to God. They're not going to do that. Eat them for breakfast.
Speaker 1:They're going to eat every child you've ever had. The dire wolves are coming.
Speaker 3:We already have so many gnarly things in Florida as it is.
Speaker 2:We definitely don't need this yeah. So innocently, tammy. She was growing closer and closer to Paul, like you said, Tammy, she was growing closer and closer to Paul, like you said, and he, though, he was knowingly grooming her and acting like he was cool Uncle Paul. So Paul was actually videoing Tammy, undressed now that Carla had broken her shade. For easier access, they would have sex in Tammy's bed and they even drugged her with sleeping pills and her spaghetti and Paul ejaculated onto a pillow that she fell asleep on.
Speaker 3:Her sister sat there and watched.
Speaker 2:Oh, carla was recording this girl.
Speaker 1:She was participating full on, not snuffy.
Speaker 2:And all this happened within the summer and the fall of 1990.
Speaker 3:several times this has slowed him down on his access or his ability to go out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, fuck you. You're fucking way harder than me. Shelly, you're supposed to be puddled, like me I am not.
Speaker 2:I've been watching I was about to say she knows, yes. So tammy started getting a little suspicious and she would dump out drinks that carla and paul would make for her and her friends, because there was always little white flakes floating on the top. Well, carla was the one providing the drugs because she worked for a veterinarian at the Martindale Animal Clinic.
Speaker 3:Where's their mom and dad?
Speaker 2:meanwhile, that's what I'm Okay, so you'll really see what. Where's mom and dad yeah.
Speaker 3:It's the latchkey kid thing again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Carla's the oldest daughter and she's the latchkey kid thing again. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Carla's the oldest daughter, and she's the one supposed to be watching her little sisters.
Speaker 2:Well, carl, he was the traveling salesman, and their mother, dorothy, was a registered nurse, so she was probably on call all the time, working 12, 15 hour shifts. So she had access to all kinds of shit and these drugs were untraceable shit and these drugs were untraceable. They even started experimenting with using halcyon on tammy, which is a type of tranquilizer or sedative, and right before christmas 1990, carla said that she was going to give tammy's virginity to paul as a christmas present what the?
Speaker 3:fuck. She had access to these drugs, probably because her mom was a nurse.
Speaker 2:But wait a minute. Well, she worked at the vet clinic. She's using animal sedatives, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm putting a pin in this. Wait a minute, y'all are both just like analyzing this shit, but what the fuck, lindsay?
Speaker 2:Now Shelly's over here. I'm not laughing at the situation.
Speaker 1:I'm laughing at Jesse's reaction.
Speaker 3:You're over here doing this. Yeah, we're so nonchalant.
Speaker 1:And I'm in the middle.
Speaker 3:We're expecting all this. I am. I've never heard this.
Speaker 2:She doesn't know this story, but she's probably predicting it, because we've heard this same song in advance.
Speaker 1:But, y'all are rolling this shit like hardcore, like it ain't no big deal, like fucking. Oh it's a huge-aided involved. Why aren't y'all over here, completely fucking fucked up right now. Oh, I've cried like three times over this case this week Y'all are just flowing like, oh, it's because of this, it's because of that.
Speaker 3:She said she's going to give her sister to him.
Speaker 1:They planned it out. You're a fucking hard-ass, Shelly.
Speaker 3:Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1:Here's my baby sister. Oh, my baby sister's virginity for Merry Christmas and I'm supposed to be like not over here trying to point this out.
Speaker 3:He's grooming her at the same time. He's getting her worked up to this.
Speaker 1:All of this is just fuckery dude Inside his head.
Speaker 3:He's already done this a thousand times.
Speaker 1:And she's just completely fine with it, and I'm just going to let you bang the shit out of my sister for her, because he's wealthy, he's got a good job, all the family likes him he looks jesus's birthday. You're gonna marry this guy and you can bang my sister doors, fuck, and y'all are just like just analyzing it and not being where I'm at right now I mean I, I get y'all are way beyond this. She's patting my sister's, patting my back right now. Fuck you, shelly dude. This is so Shitty, this is so.
Speaker 3:I'm so glad you're. We're almost done, but it's gonna get.
Speaker 2:Gnarly, we're almost done.
Speaker 1:No, I mean I need something to Hold, but I mean I don't want to hold nothing, I just want to die Right now. This is the garbage, just and now she's all fucking full silver tongue freaking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I've built you up to what a monster he is. That that is no, no.
Speaker 1:But like shelly, this is her first time diving into this.
Speaker 2:She's probably like me and have watched true crime for the last 20 years.
Speaker 1:Women are hard. Yeah, women are hard. Yeah, we are. Y'all have. You can't throw shade your way without you being hard at it. You know you're so calloused and I'm not that calloused.
Speaker 3:This is the most horrible thing, and it's not that you're sheltered, by no means. You do know that there's ugly in this world.
Speaker 1:There is.
Speaker 2:But you just don't think, obviously, thank, goodness like some of these crazy ass people out there. No, but this is a perspective into what innocent women go through, because I mean carla's definitely not yeah, but I feel like, I feel like her little sister is from
Speaker 1:from from baby girl. Okay, lindsey's on the right and shelly's on the left, from fucking right to left over here. Y'all have both heard and experienced shit like this in your life, really.
Speaker 3:Not experienced so much, but we have definitely heard of it and been around it, been around it and witnessed some things that have been thrown our way or said our way to, where we've obviously put our guard up but at the same time in the back of our head going damn but women in general. Thank goodness I didn't fall through with that.
Speaker 1:There is just so much of that shit that's really came upon you guys where you're just completely calloused. You understand what tactics and diversions and things that men put you into.
Speaker 3:You never know when, even just pumping gas on a regular Tuesday.
Speaker 2:What a random dude or the guy attention will say to you no, I pay attention to my surroundings and I have shit in my hand at all times ready to go?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean as far as, and only every now, and then do you think, damn, that was surprising.
Speaker 3:Normally it's like I freaking jerk, he done said some slick shit. We become numb to it and it becomes our norm because we are women.
Speaker 1:My perspective. Like I'm saying, as far it's just me and Lindsay over here. We're talking back and forth now and then I'm adding a third wheel in over here and all of you guys are just completely callous to what the fuck is. Just natural, ass, human being shitty ass people.
Speaker 2:The cases that I'm talking about and the ones that I've saved are the ones that have stuck out and fucking haunted me. So, this one, but I've done so much research on it now I'm like, okay, so they planned it out. Paul got a new camcorder, carla got the Halcyon and then added in another drug, which is an inhalant called halothane, and this keeps a person under during anesthesia, keeps pain away and keeps a person unconscious.
Speaker 1:Is it Mr Halothane? Mr Halothane, under during anesthesia, keeps pain away and keeps a person unconscious, is it Mr Halifane?
Speaker 2:Mr Halifane, no, stop it, okay, okay, no more jokes, because it's about to get rough.
Speaker 1:Let me roll through this. I'm trying to lighten this up, but I'm really no. Let me get through this one, okay, god.
Speaker 2:On Christmas Day, everyone was drinking and having a jolly good time. Paul and Carla put Halcy. Everyone was drinking and having a jolly good time. Paul and carla put housey on in tammy's drinks. Paul has the camera going all day.
Speaker 3:He actually covers ice, ice baby for the entire fam in its entirety you're not fucking rob van winkle, dude, you're not and, and I watched video footage of this and it's so uncomfortable was getting a strawberry shortcake for Christmas and didn't know she was getting some halcyon in her drink.
Speaker 2:So on the video they imitated Wayne and Garth from Wayne's World like the close up thing. Like they did that whole routine. Yeah, whoa, whoa and Tammy. She starts feeling ill and actually makes an announcement to the whole family saying, hey, these guys are trying to poison me. But it went unnoticed and I saw the video. I saw the fucking video and she is very, very intoxicated, but it's not just by alcohol.
Speaker 3:She hadn't had a lot.
Speaker 1:This is fucking garbage and we're fired up right now.
Speaker 3:That girl was 12.
Speaker 1:She had had some rum and eggnog and she knew she'd been drunk.
Speaker 2:She.
Speaker 1:She was 12?.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, she was 15. She was 12 when he first started getting upset. At this point, she's 15.
Speaker 1:But either way all three of us are fired up.
Speaker 3:She's probably questioned herself before, because he drugged her once already.
Speaker 2:Right yeah, they've literally built up her tolerance throughout the whole summer, so they had to give her a large dose.
Speaker 3:And she thought she was safe at christmas with all the family there and all the things I'll drink, and she still trust him even though she's suspicious, she still I wouldn't fuck.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not drinking nothing.
Speaker 1:You make me fucking 14, 15, 15 right now, and who would have a sister that would have another sister to let a dude do this shit.
Speaker 3:But but let's just remember that Carla is also a little bit twisted and she was cutting herself and doing the fingernail polish in her cuts and she's a little wild.
Speaker 2:And she's allowing this to happen. She knows that Paul is a rapist. She knows that he is obsessed with her sister, but the fucking parents never got involved in any of this bullshit okay, so let me finish, because you're gonna be like excuse me where are you, mr and mrs hamaca?
Speaker 1:are you hamacas?
Speaker 2:so then, paul carla, mickey, mickey, maccas this shit's happening on fucking Christmas dude.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, Okay.
Speaker 2:So Paul, Carla and Tammy sit down to watch a movie and I think it was like a knockoff of the Exorcist and Tammy, she passes out, and they laid her down by the Christmas tree.
Speaker 3:I would have known if my kid was either tipsy or a little drugged, especially if she yelled out.
Speaker 2:The pants must have been whacked the fuck out, because Jesse and I drink on holidays, on special occasions.
Speaker 3:We still know what our kids are doing.
Speaker 1:We still know what the kids are doing Mine's in there watching Texas Chainsaw Massacre while we're recording, or they're playing Cardboard with us outside.
Speaker 3:They know what.
Speaker 2:Or listening to music or playing a video game.
Speaker 3:Bugging the shit out of us and by the way check out Silas on our.
Speaker 2:YouTube. He had a blast.
Speaker 1:He loves some Leatherface and we just did a horror con, so check it out on YouTube for sure.
Speaker 3:He is from the land of awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he's watching Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I just walked in there a minute ago, but we know what our kids are doing, at all times Even. But we know what our kids are doing At all times, even though you know he's 11.
Speaker 3:And it's not that we're sheltering our kids. We're not.
Speaker 1:We're letting him do. But I mean Texas. I mean it's okay, pg-13-ish right.
Speaker 3:No, texas Chainsaw Massacre is rated R.
Speaker 1:Oh well, to me Well it was 80 standards. Rated R it was definitely 80 standards, rated R standards for a guard, but my kid is in there watching a fucking movie.
Speaker 3:But still the point is, I feel, like as a parent and that's not giving us clout, because I feel like I would have known something was up.
Speaker 1:But I ain't letting my kid fuck around with another little fucking dude at 15.
Speaker 2:That's how much they have. But also, like I said, these are parents that one works out of town all the time. One is a nurse and they have a tumultuous relationship. So remember that.
Speaker 1:So it's a bunch of fucking garbages in the house at the beginning.
Speaker 3:Who knows what they were doing too.
Speaker 1:They were dabbling a little bit, well I mean I salute both us three over here, all of us, both us three, all of us three over here, at least knowing what the fuck our kids are doing into. You know we're not getting into that bullshit, you know all right, let me get through this, because it's hard okay god.
Speaker 2:So they put some halothane on a cloth and put it directly over, directly over tammy's face to keep her from waking up. Carla and paul both got undressed, and while carla held the camera, paul began to rape tammy. So at this point there.
Speaker 3:They swooped baby girl up she'd have passed out in the living room, took her to their bedroom no, no, she's in front of the christmas tree, oh so the parents are outside freaking they're up there, they're gone. Yeah, okay, we don't know where they are they don't want to do the house party down the road or something.
Speaker 2:So then it was Carla's turn to rape her own sister.
Speaker 3:Wait, wait, why so?
Speaker 2:they. So Paul has raped her while Carla holds the camera. Now Carla is raping her while Paul holds the camera, and this whole time Tammy is on her period. Oh poor baby girl.
Speaker 1:Goodness Lindsay.
Speaker 3:So rape her as in. How Did they?
Speaker 2:elaborate Vaginally and anally by Paul and then by. I forgot the word. But Did he pull out the wine bottle again? No, but Carla basically went down on her.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm twitching, my eye is twitching, my eye is twitching and she's on her period at the same time, her sister.
Speaker 2:So suddenly Tammy starts to vomit, of course, and then she choked on her own vomit and the vomit fills up her lungs, aspirated. They tried to resuscitate her but couldn't and they quickly got dressed, drug Tammy to her room, attempted mouth-to-mouth and then called 911. Lindsey Carla quickly got rid of the halothane evidence while waiting for the ambulance. Tammy was rushed to the hospital and the scene was inspected by the police and the story that was told was they were watching a movie. Everyone fell asleep and they woke up to the sound of Tammy gagging, but there was a chemical burn on Tammy's face from the halothane. Oh yeah, but Paul quickly said that that was a carpet burn from them dragging her on the floor as they attempted CPR. They dragged her on her face.
Speaker 3:Oh no, that was a chemical burn. That was a serious drop. The biggest fucking thing I've ever felt in my life In 1990, that was believable. I pulled her off the couch and we drug her a little bit.
Speaker 2:The Canadian police failed a whole lot in this entire story, because this is just part one Period. Blood would have been everywhere too.
Speaker 3:This is part one.
Speaker 2:This is part one, and it would have been on him because he did it and then sister didn't.
Speaker 1:I'm fitting to wrestle both of y'all man. Why are y'all dropping this shit? Shelly you part of this, I know you are. Why are you acting all hard over here?
Speaker 3:I do feel like there would have been her you should be over here, puddled by me.
Speaker 1:It's disgusting.
Speaker 2:So, while all this, inspection is happening and Paul and Carla are getting questioned. A call came in from the hospital telling the family that Tammy had passed away.
Speaker 3:And not from drug overdose, from aspirating on her own vomit where she drank that one little freaking vodka drink and her little.
Speaker 2:I think it was rum and eggnog is what it was. I'm pretty sure that that's what it was.
Speaker 3:Her parents said yeah, you can have one.
Speaker 2:You can have a couple of drinks because we're in the house, but what about the?
Speaker 1:menstruation oral gratification.
Speaker 2:That's where we're leaving off for today.
Speaker 1:You're leaving off right now, lindsay.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry y'all, this is a huge case.
Speaker 3:I don't know anything about this whole entire case, but you better believe it. But you're going to be back next week for part two. Now I'm calling you tomorrow. Luckily I'm in the corner.
Speaker 1:I'm in the corner right now.
Speaker 3:I'm going to do my research at home.
Speaker 1:If I could be in the fetal position.
Speaker 3:Because I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight. Like Jesse don't ever get no sleep. Not knowing the whole rest of the story, I know Like it gets worse.
Speaker 1:This is horrible, it gets worse than this. It gets worse than this.
Speaker 2:It gets worse than this, I know.
Speaker 1:I got chills right now. So, you guys, that's the rest of the story I still have to write.
Speaker 2:I'm halfway done writing part two, but I still have to finish.
Speaker 1:Look at her. At least you're chilling out because, like it took her a lot to say.
Speaker 3:all that she knew it was going to get rough. That's why I was like, let me get through this Under the Christmas tree in the living room, freaking floor on the pretty rug, and it's Carla's sister.
Speaker 2:A baby On Christmas Day, that's still a baby to me.
Speaker 3:Presents have been opened. She had her one little eggnog drink and she knew she was poisoned. She even said out loud, so they poisoned my drink.
Speaker 2:She knew yeah, oh yeah, her exact words. Or these people are trying to poison me, and it went unnoticed by everybody nobody in the house fucking suck, the parents fucking suck no, everybody sucks and I don't because, and I don't want to, I don't want to victim blame parents because in our last story there was a lot of neglect that it was accepted in that day and time there's some turned blind eyes.
Speaker 3:We don't want to be blamed because we don't know exactly where they were what was happening how?
Speaker 2:early they went to bed. And how much they trusted this fucker.
Speaker 1:They don't, they don't know.
Speaker 3:They obviously trusted him for the last couple. Trust him like we know that he's a disgusting rapist, but they didn't know that yeah, they had no clue about that.
Speaker 2:No vanilla paper. Yeah, fucking lice full vanilla that would have been a turnoff for me. I've been like, oh, he's trying to be a rapper, yeah yeah, that's his name. That's his name vanilla lice and then if I, after I read his lyrics, I would have been.
Speaker 3:oh no, it's so horrible God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's definitely terrible. You got me fucked up, Lindsay, right here.
Speaker 2:You really did so that is the end of part one. I'm so sorry guys, I've left everybody hanging, but you have to stay tuned for part two next week. Definitely tune in next week, yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, thank you for hanging out with us, shelly.
Speaker 3:I had an awesome time. I will definitely be here next Saturday, next Friday.
Speaker 2:What's today? Saturday is when we're going to record. Friday we're celebrating our boys' 20th birthday.
Speaker 1:Thank you for coming. We'll fire this off next Friday and you're going to be here right. That's going to be great. I'm not ready for the greatness. This is not greatness.
Speaker 3:No, at least we're going to find out, hopefully that this dude gets caught, obviously.
Speaker 2:I'm not spoiling. But some type of justice is going to be served.
Speaker 3:Just in case any of our listeners have never heard of this before, Because we have several women that have been affected by this Jennifer, all the girls from the bus station area and their backyard.
Speaker 2:Their backyard, front yard stairwell of a parking garage One dude got convicted and was in jail for 16 months.
Speaker 1:That was not.
Speaker 3:Good job, paying attention yes.
Speaker 1:So I mean, I just want to know if I can play music, yet I'm looking for some justice here. What about music? Can I play music?
Speaker 3:yet yes, is he still alive.
Speaker 1:Shelly, am I allowed to play music yet?
Speaker 3:I'm going to write this dude.
Speaker 1:Tell him how much I hate him. You should, honestly, I would never but. No, I mean he should get all the hate mail. Fuck that Dude, fuck him, Fuck Vanilla, Lass no because he's already cocky and narcissistic.
Speaker 3:He would like the fact that he got mail.
Speaker 2:A mail.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he would get a letter, he'd be like ooh, this chick done, frowned out about me and oh I'm going to jack off to this.
Speaker 1:Oh, fuck that.
Speaker 3:I'm not giving him no satisfaction.
Speaker 1:But what about music? Can I play music? Yeah, tell me what band.
Speaker 2:Are you plugging today D LA LA Yay.
Speaker 1:The tacos are always better.
Speaker 3:Live and die in. La.
Speaker 1:Yes, I got this cool ass band that I want to play. They are called Frequency Within and they're from LA.
Speaker 2:Frequency Within. I'm going to find them right now.
Speaker 1:And I talked to Jenna Lynn and they got some badass music. So I want to play that stuff. So this is Frequency Within. This song is called Struck. I want you guys to check this out and support the band from LA.
Speaker 2:Yes, follow them on their socials as well as following us, but we'll say that more at the end.
Speaker 1:I'm excited. This band is badass. So check this stuff out. Here we go. We'll be right back, chasing the sensation, overwhelmed by the feeling Stuck in this world that you turned upside down, I can now touch the ceiling, buzzed by the feeling, feeling Struck, blown. You're Blown. You're Out Of Love. You're Out Of Love. Hurry, hurry, try to Stop Me. Stop Me Forever. Let me.
Speaker 3:Go, break the seal of silence, break me to calamity.
Speaker 1:Look me in the eyes and promise this breaking point won't come from me. Oh no, I swear. It's possessed by the feeling, feeling Struck by your hope.
Speaker 2:It's all too late, struck by your arrow. Hurry, hurry, try to stop me. Hurry, hurry, let me go. Let me go While the stars fall around me.
Speaker 1:Glistening sparks fall to my feet. Don't let darkness isolate me. Don't let darkness isolate me. Please don't let it. It consume me.
Speaker 3:While the stars fall around me. I'm in time. Smile, stare, Make this feeling last forever. Ties by your snare. Make this feeling last forever, Forever I'll be here. I will be here. I will be Persist by the feeling Struck by your arrow. I'm feeling Hurry, hurry, try to stop me. I'm feeling, I'm feeling Let me go.
Speaker 1:I'm feeling, I'm feeling I'm feeling I'm feeling I'm feeling Struck by your arrow. Let me go Frequency Within. I really liked it. They're really cool.
Speaker 3:Heck yeah.
Speaker 1:I love that A little mixture of garbage, no doubt. And I just love it. It's just so, la, isn't it?
Speaker 3:Definitely.
Speaker 1:Do you like it?
Speaker 3:I liked it yeah.
Speaker 1:Lindsay, you have puddled me.
Speaker 2:It was a nice wrap-up to the first part of this horrific story, which will be worse in part two.
Speaker 1:And there's a whole other fucking part coming and you just left me.
Speaker 2:Jesse is stressed out.
Speaker 3:Poor baby girl that died on us.
Speaker 1:Oh, that is the most. How do you put that together, knowing that was what the fuck just fucking happened, lindsay.
Speaker 2:I know, like I said, it's easier actually putting it together than it is talking about it to you.
Speaker 1:Anyhow, if you're around LA, check out frequency within yes that's a really cool. Struck is a really cool song.
Speaker 2:It's really cool so follow them on musical platforms. Instagram, follow us on drink about something dot site. Yeah, instagram. Youtube. Send us YouTube, send us a Gmail, send us a request if there's a story that you want us to talk about. Yes, and what was I going to say after that?
Speaker 1:You were going to say that Shelly's going to come back for part two yeah, she is, she's invested now Definitely invested.
Speaker 3:I loved every bit of this, had so much fun. Thank you guys for having me. Yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 1:We'll have you back for part two.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:And we're going to just close this thing out and see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 2:Yes, if you're listening to us, leave us a review. That really helps the show get into the algorithm. We really appreciate it and we appreciate everybody that's out there listening. We love you.
