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EPISODE 28: Evil Ken and Barbie PART 2
Hey, Jesse.
Speaker 2:Hey Lindsay.
Speaker 1:That was so.
Speaker 2:Hello Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Okay, that was overwhelming.
Speaker 2:Which one's better? You need a happy medium there. No, we're good, we're're good, we don't need to do that. Can we do it?
Speaker 1:no, what are you drinking today?
Speaker 2:I want to redo it. No, okay, you're good, I'm good.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay what are you drinking today?
Speaker 2:I have some rum some rum.
Speaker 1:What flavor rum?
Speaker 2:rum and rum and rum and rum and rum and pineapple yeah, pineapple. Pineapple rum and some Celsius. It's good, very good. What are you drinking over there, lindsay?
Speaker 1:I am. So Vista Bay, once again Vista Bay, but they had the punch flavor and I'm drinking a berry punch. Vista Bay, hard seltzer. It's very good. Yes, 100 calories, it's very good. Two grams of carb. You should try it, it's.
Speaker 2:DeBay hard seltzer, it's very good. Yes, 100 calories.
Speaker 1:It's very good. Two grams of carb.
Speaker 2:You should try it. It's very good. It's very good, it's crisp. So what are we drinking about today, lindsay?
Speaker 1:So we're going to continue on our two-part series with part two about Paul Bernardo and Carla Homolka.
Speaker 2:So this is two parts, and then it's part two.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Parts of parts and parts and rec. We're wrecking the parts.
Speaker 1:Well, I just wrapped up parts and rec for like the 10th time and now I'm on to the Office again.
Speaker 2:That's my oh yeah, we did. Yeah, See, now she puts that shit on and I'm like halfway going to sleep? Yeah, that's going to sleep, she's like, let me put on Parks and Rec. It's nap time, our bedtime.
Speaker 1:Because the shows that we watch together at night. You need a palate cleanser after, because we've watched Yellowstone 1883, 1923. Now we're on the Last of Us. Oh, and then the Handmaid's Tale. You need palate cleansers after all that shit.
Speaker 2:The Last of Us has really got us fucking fired up.
Speaker 1:Like each episode, we're only on episode five and every episode is like a mini movie.
Speaker 2:They are so well and it's a build up. Each one is like its own different build up.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Hell, even Ron Swanson was in one of them.
Speaker 1:I loved it. That's been my favorite episode so far. Yeah, because the one we watched what's his real name. Nick Offerman.
Speaker 2:Nick Offerman.
Speaker 1:Yes, love him, don't off over me. Who is married to another favorite star of mine, who's making an appearance in the Righteous Gemstones this season. That we've been watching too Megan Mullally yes.
Speaker 2:We had a little segment there today with ourselves that nobody else knew. We listened to a lot of the songs.
Speaker 1:All the songs. If you're watching Righteous Gems, you know that we were jamming to. Don't Go Misbehavin'.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There Will Come a Payday.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And Uncle Baby Billy's Bible Bonkers, or is it just Baby Billy's Bible Bonkers? Yeah?
Speaker 2:All of it. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Listen. When I first started watching that and they called him Uncle Baby, I just fell the fuck out. I don't know why that's uncle baby. Anybody in the bible belt is filled.
Speaker 2:They felt that, yes, you know, it's anybody that grew up in a mega church or any kind of church, really, yeah, or if you had that family that watched and worshipped all the shit on tv, all the tale evangelists yeah righteous gemstones is the show for you, because it is hilarious yeah and it is clowning on all that shit and you know some shit like that really does go on oh, it does, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember I actually found that show because somebody shared it and said I won't say the name of the church. But they said I bet this is how I won't say the name of the church. But they said I bet this is how insert name of local church of ours is ran. Oh, did we talk about them one time?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, we didn't talk about this church we talked about the meat ministry, but we did talk about a cult around us one time, yes, and they want us to come. There was this woman that has a house and she's like. I got the table that they all used to sit at and talk. You should do a podcast on the table like a part two, and I love it.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:But I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't know, there might be some bad energy in that table.
Speaker 2:We might have to bring some sage with us. That's why I don't really want to go. I don't really want to go about the table man, but she's a listener, right? So thank you for that, and thank you for checking us out.
Speaker 1:Thank you for sharing that with us, though and we, we do want to hang out but I do, I actually. Uh, I think you should get rid of that table the table needs some sage and, yes, sage it or burn it, just engulfing in flames.
Speaker 2:Burn it in sage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in a pit of sage.
Speaker 2:Yes, but we're excited we're going to do this part two, and happy Friday. I'm just not ready.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not either. Really I'm not ready. Uncle Baby by the Bonkers.
Speaker 2:Don't go misbehaving. Yeah, we just ate the biggest pizza that you can find in our town.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I'm so full, I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:And I am, I am so full, I'm uncomfortable, and I am, I am so stuffed right now. Yeah, but you know, hey, you got to do it every once in a while, right? Yeah, it's really good. It's New York style pizza. So anybody listening, you know, go to Pizza Boy, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to have to sleep with eye patches under my eyes so I don't wake up with swollen eyes.
Speaker 2:I'm going to have to eat two more heartburn pills.
Speaker 1:Probably.
Speaker 2:Thank you, pizza Boy, and we also have to go to the store and get more Prilosec.
Speaker 1:Now, this episode will air after Easter is over, but it is Easter weekend and we're celebrating Easter by wearing our Steel Magnolia shirts. We just watched Steel Magnolia. That is our Easter movie.
Speaker 2:You know, we should take a picture of our shirts and put it up there.
Speaker 1:We should, but we're bloated right now, so we'll wait.
Speaker 2:We'll wait, we'll do it after we're done talking.
Speaker 1:Our tummies are protruding, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, like Easter really makes me think of Steel Magnolias.
Speaker 1:Because it begins and ends at Easter time.
Speaker 2:That was a big grab for Lindsay as far as being attracted to me whenever I was like I like Steel Magnolias and you're like holy shit, I like this man.
Speaker 1:We watch it twice a year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you thought you were like okay, he just gained like five cool points when I said that you know, I don't even like Steel Magnolias. I just said that so I can get with you.
Speaker 1:Boy, you better hush, because the way you cry over that shit the way.
Speaker 2:No, for real, I'm low steve tell us what you're.
Speaker 1:If you, if you are a young person listening and do not know what we're talking about, please go watch still magnolias. It's on max right now. Um, I think it's on max. Pretty much every time we've watched it in the last few years it's on max, uh, but it is an amazing, amazing movie. It's got some great actors in it as.
Speaker 2:As an older doodly dude, I came across Still Magnolias on my own.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Is that doodly of me? Or is that just cool points for chicks? It don't fucking matter, I don't know what it is, don't put a stigma on anything.
Speaker 1:If you like Still Magnolias, you'll like it. It's whatever. It's a great for me because I get to watch them I like your hair and your clothes a lot too yes, you do, you want to wear them.
Speaker 2:I do well. I mean, maybe he's like I love your pants. I want them maybe I'm revealing too much over here, huh he wants to wear my fishnet I think it's cool. Points like I'm just like well-rounded in that way. I I've always, you know, I've always enjoyed more female friends than male friends, because I can just talk shit about stuff and I don't know, like the whole feng shui that women have you know, hey, I think we're all just a little gay, so it's whatever so you're?
Speaker 2:you just said that I'm a little gay. I think everybody is.
Speaker 1:I think everybody's got a little gay in them, and that's okay, it's whatever. So you just said that I'm a little gay. I think everybody is. I think everybody's got a little gay in them, and that's okay, it's wonderful. And if you deny it, you're stupid. I'm just kidding. I love you, but I mean I just really do think that.
Speaker 2:I'm not attracted to men anyway.
Speaker 1:Everybody's. I mean that, doesn't. You know what I mean? You want to wear my clothes.
Speaker 2:I did point out that this dude had some cake when we were in saint august he did a couple weeks ago. It wasn't a lie, yeah he had cake, but I'm trying to wrap my head around this. But no, you dropped the bomb on me.
Speaker 1:No, you dropped the bomb on me here oh my god, let's get back to the show, okay. So if you're new here, what we do is we have a drink and we talk about true crime and at the end of the episode we plug a band that we're digging and that we think you should listen to as well and appreciate what they're putting out into the world I want to say thank you to all the bands and all the great feedback that's coming oh yeah, it's been great. You know it's been that has been phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Thank you guys for making your art and your music and letting me share it and us, because I reach out, I'm like dude, I am a music whore. So, I'm looking out for bands I'm like dude.
Speaker 2:I love your music. I want to play it on the podcast and they're like hell, yeah, dude, and it's reciprocating. It's really good. Love it, thank you. So one question before we get started, jesse, what made you feel lonely this week? You hit me with this every single week and I dread it. You know the reason why I dread it so much, lindsay is because I have to pull something up every single week.
Speaker 1:That you weren't really paying attention to, and now you're paying attention to it.
Speaker 2:Well, you try to disassociate what the hell's really going on in your elderness and I don't want to hang on to it. But this week I had to get on to somebody at my work this week, Mm-hmm, and stepping into that position kind of made me feel old. It's like I guess I'm the older figure, the leadership figure, that I didn't think I would ever get to and had to take on that responsibility. It kind of made me feel old. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I've been Like in a workplace. I go through that all the time at my job. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Being in a workplace for so long, and then you're just like, well, you know it's not, and I tried to make it to where it's like I'm not really getting on to you, but at the same time you kind of need a little adjustment, you know type thing, because we don't want to lose employees, especially this economy and this market for people that actually work as employees. You get on to them too much. They're just like deuces man. Bye.
Speaker 1:So I don't want to retrain and I don't want to redo and all that stuff because I'm old whereas like when we were, you know, getting into the workplace as youngins and we would get feedback to where it was negative or would make us feel bad. We would want to do better, we wouldn't just want to quit he did and we okay he did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it actually turned into a good thing and yeah it's like it's.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think it honestly just depends on the person.
Speaker 2:Being able to navigate around that conversation. And then you're like you know, hey, this is an A B type area. I want it to be A's and B's, You're doing C's and D's, and if it ever gets to an F, we're going to have to let you go. That's how I put it.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:If that makes sense, and he was like dude. I want this to be an A. After this conversation I've had some problems and some issues and I've let this go. I want to get this back to an A, not even a B. So the motivation it turned out good.
Speaker 1:That's good, yeah, awesome. I'm glad that worked out.
Speaker 2:So that made me feel old. What about you there, Lindsay?
Speaker 1:Well, my third child is turning 20 tomorrow, that is right. My third child is turning 20 tomorrow, right? My third child is turning 20 tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, you got some older ass kids too, and grandkids.
Speaker 1:You got grandkids too? Yeah, I do, because of me.
Speaker 2:I love them.
Speaker 1:Yes, you do I love them.
Speaker 2:We had such a cute time. Yeah, she comes waddling there and she's becoming my favorite so fast.
Speaker 1:The grand, she is number three. Yeah, she come waddling there and she's she's becoming my favorite so fast. The grand, the, the, the, she is number three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's come waddling in there late, late at night. Lindsey's over there asleep with her mouth open and the whole thing like I started conversating and I started saying yeah, that's g maul, that's g maul, weezer yeah, he's trying to make me a weezer boudreaux from still magnolias, because we're talking about with easter coming up, I was just like it was already in my heart and I was like you know, we're gonna watch some still magnolias. So I started associating gmaul with weezer.
Speaker 2:Yeah I'm gonna slap you for that to our granddaughter that was fun I didn't do it too much though, like I didn't. Like I didn't try to get her to slap her or nothing, no, I was just. It was just a couple of cute little little little plugs there for that. Yeah, it was just for. It was mainly for lindsey, like 15 this morning okay grandma.
Speaker 1:Grandma weezer said that I'm like shut up not that our baby has any idea.
Speaker 2:He's all like oh hell weezer. So yeah, we we're still on, still magnolias, but I'm gonna let you do your podcast over here now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's gonna get rough.
Speaker 2:It's gonna get rough.
Speaker 1:All right. So last week we talked about the background of Paul and Carla, paul's sadistic sexual behavior and fantasies Paul being the Scarborough rapist. Fantasies Paul being the Scarborough rapist and Carla giving up her sister's virginity to Paul on video and fatally overdosing Tammy with a mixture of alcohol, halcyon and halothane. While Tammy had been passed out on the lethal cocktail, paul had raped her vaginally and anally. Carla also violated her as well, making Paul's sick fantasy come true. The family is at home with Paul and Carla and they get the call from the hospital that Tammy is dead on arrival. Now Paul whether it was theatrical or genuine is crying, banging his head, pulling his hair and screaming why, you know, just doing the whole thing.
Speaker 1:And it could have been genuine, and I'll get into that a little more later. I don't think that he intentionally wanted her. He wanted to keep doing what he was doing.
Speaker 2:He thought that that was just another little side thing that he could do, which was completely disgusting. You know how much this shit weighed on my fucking mind all week long.
Speaker 1:Well, there's going to be more, so let me get into it.
Speaker 2:Oh, God, I'm just disgusted about this human being so much.
Speaker 1:I know Carla immediately puts the halothane-soaked cloth and vomit-covered sheets in the wash, so that evidence is gone. And then Carla and Paul tell their made-up story of events and it's chalked up to a tragic accident. Wow, this girl had been raped in both areas on her period and they didn't notice that. Like you know what I'm saying, I, I don't, I don't, I'm not even gonna pretend to even halfway know anything about a medical examiner's job. But maybe they weren't looking for that in the 80s. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe the examiner was like she's menstruating and it's everywhere, because maybe when she dies while you're menstruating, it just releases more and everywhere, just like when you die.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:So he was just like I'm not even checking this area because of that. So that's a killer thing right there. Like if, if you're a killer and that happens and the person dies, like and then all that just releases when your body relaxes, maybe that'll cover up shit oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't even want to think about that. Well, it's disgusting I thought about it all week and it's oh but it's also reported that the coroner did minimal on his job, and because he was I mean it was Christmas he was drunk too.
Speaker 2:You know, oh yeah, shitty, unqualified bullshit.
Speaker 1:At the funeral, carla and Paul both are constantly touching Tammy's corpse. Paul is stroking her hair, carla is messing with her hair and fixing her clothes, and they even put one of their wedding invitations in her casket.
Speaker 2:That is so fucking disgusting.
Speaker 1:I know Like where. This is what I said the same thing with Myra Henley and Ian Brady. How do people like this meet? How do people like this meet? How do two? There must be like a dark side of the universe that just, oh, here's the light side. Over here, we'll bring two people that love music and love the same shit and like to, you know, go to the same events together. We'll put them together. And then over here on the dark side, let's put two fucking sadistic murderersers together. And yeah, I don't know, it's weird shit.
Speaker 2:I don't understand how that works and with the backstory on both sides, it's completely horrible fate.
Speaker 1:I guess horrible fate well the rest of the family. They took a trip to grieve, peacefully or, you know, to take their mind off of it. I'm not really sure, but Carla and Paul stay behind. This was two weeks after Tammy's death. They kidnap a girl who they will call January Girl no name. They rape her on video and drop her off in a deserted area, and she was blindfolded through the whole thing, so they let her go. After this, they start making tapes of themselves, like sex tapes, reliving the night that they raped Tammy. Carla would dress in her clothes, she would talk in her voice and on one video called the fireside chat, this one's really famous Carla, being sexual, actually expresses how much that she loved that Paul raped Tammy and the others and that 13 would be the best age for future girls and she wanted him to rape 50 more. Yeah, I'm very disgusted and uncomfortable even saying that.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, think about how much bullshit that he did before. All of this, like at the bus stations and all that in the previous podcast. These are fucking horrible. And now now he's got her like they're ready to hop on and do all this shit together. It's just horrible.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean of course she will go on. I'm going to do a tiny spoiler she will go on to act like this was an abuse, just like Myra did. But you have to know your audience. There is not a man alive that's just going to comfortably tell somebody that unless they are daily threatening their life, somebody that, unless they are daily threatening their life.
Speaker 2:When you allowed your boyfriend at the time to make comments about your sister, you have to know yeah, and that's what I'm saying like they were living in her parents house.
Speaker 1:She had plenty of opportunity to say this dude is threatening my life and if I don't give give up, tammy, or if I don't participate in this shit that I don't want to participate in, if she didn't really want to participate in it.
Speaker 2:When you broke your sister's blind so he could look through it. Right, that's when you are fully liable. You're responsible for everything from then on.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Honestly Garbage man God.
Speaker 1:Paul eventually wanted to have sex slaves and expressed to a friend that he wanted a virgin farm. Yeah, and I'm not. You can look more into that and there's more to that, but I can't, I can't, I can't even say the words out of my mouth. So just know that he wanted a virgin farm and he wanted to do other horrible things. But when the family returns, they no longer want Paul in the house, so he and Carla get a place of their own in. I've looked up. I've heard two different pronunciations for this. I believe it's spelled Port Dalhousie, but it's pronounced Port Dalhousie. I've looked it up several times and most of the pronunciations is Deleuze. So poor Deleuze. And they are still planning their wedding, which is just a few months away, and they are actually upset that so much was spent on Tammy's funeral and now wedding money was limited. Any normal person would have rescheduled their wedding for at least another year. At least another year. You're not giving me any feedback. I put pauses in here for you to give me feedback.
Speaker 2:I can't give you feedback right now. I'm completely, just horribly disgusted on what they're trying to build, the whole magistrate that they think is something enjoyable for them. I can't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 1:I know If that makes sense.
Speaker 2:So I'm sorry I'm being quiet right now. I'm over here kind of looking away. I'm like she's literally saying that this actually fucking existed.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And still does, in different places and different people have this shit in their heads, and so I'm over here kind of looking away right now. Sorry, lindsay, sorry, I'm not just like happy-go-lucky fucking skipper, I'm not trying for you to be happy-go-lucky, happy fucking rainbows and unicorns over here. I cannot be.
Speaker 1:but fuck, it's not cute, it's not, it's it's it's well, I just figured you would give me something on I don't want to just keep plugging into this.
Speaker 2:I'm over here just waiting for it to get over with. It's kind of like knowing that you have to have an ass whipping 10 times and you're just like let me just not think about the other nine all right, and then here you come again with another fucking lick.
Speaker 2:And then I got eight more, so I'm still trying to. And then there's seven, and then you're like ain't you gonna say anything? I'm like no, no, I got six more to go. And then you're like now you got five, but still ain't you going to say anything. I'm like no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm just not. I'm just Lindsay, all right, go ahead, keep flipping it, but I'm just. I'm sorry you got me over here.
Speaker 1:Well, Paul. I to help with wedding costs.
Speaker 2:Son of a bitch.
Speaker 1:He amps up his cigarette smuggling to like three runs a day. He's going back and forth across the border Canada, united States.
Speaker 2:yeah.
Speaker 1:He was making 15 grand a month doing this and in the 80s that would be like what? 45 grand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's got to be moving truckloads. Vending power yeah.
Speaker 1:So it was said that he would put the cigarettes in his door paneling yeah, and they also wanted to use the wedding and this. You know, I never even thought about this and I'm guessing that people do think about this because it is an opportunity to make money. But they were, yeah, they were hoping to make a shit ton of money from their wedding. So they had like 150 guests invited and they were hoping to make at least a hundred dollars a person and they were looking forward to all the gifts and gratuities.
Speaker 1:And best because all they asked for on like a registry is for a dust b Crystal and money Like that money was the main thing that they wanted. Well, paul spent more time on his music. You know, because he wanted to be the next big white rapper, his fucking rap music. And I'm sorry, paul Bernardo, but that title was waiting for Marshall Mathers to come along. Okay, and he's still holding it okay.
Speaker 2:I don't think anybody's going to break his record.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2:There'll be a LeBron James to the Michael Jordan on that deal but it's not going to happen for a while They've tried. They've tried already, yeah, but remember MumbleRap Like how in the hell do you contest?
Speaker 1:That was over quickly, thank God. And just rap, just wrap period like eminem. He's gonna show back up in 20 more years and still shut him down and still probably look just like he does right now.
Speaker 2:Still look 20, 20 years from now. Well, he's 70 right.
Speaker 1:So well, carla. She decides she wants to get paul a wedding gift and it's an old co-worker from number one pet center who was known as Jane Doe. She was 15 and Jane looked a lot like Tammy. Jane was invited over on June 7th to watch the movie Ghost what was that song? While they're doing the pottery. Unchained Melodies yes, by the Righteous Brothers, not Elvis.
Speaker 2:It is the epitome of all the music that I love, my love, yes.
Speaker 1:My darling, anyways. So they've ruined Ghost for us. Okay, they drugged Jane Doe because she is unnamed.
Speaker 1:She was a minor. They drugged her drinks and she did get sick, but she ended up being okay. She thought it was because of the drinking. She was only 15 years old, she probably hadn't had drinks before that. And, jane, she goes back to hang out again. Her mom was suspicious as fuck. Like why do these two people in their 20s want to hang out with my 15-year-old? And, like I said, the 80s was a different time, but that would have been it for me. On her second visit, they drugged her and she passes out and they raped her and they videoed it About a week later. This is when it's going to start getting real bad, you ready?
Speaker 2:No, buckle your seatbelt.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I've been over here just trying to not listen, because it's that bad, but you have to listen.
Speaker 1:You signed up for this. I know I do, but I mean I do. About a week later, paul was out stealing license plates in the Burlington area and spotted a 14-year-old girl named Leslie Mahaffey. Leslie had been kind of a problem child and her parents had put her on a curfew. She was only 14. Like damn, of course I hope she had a curfew, but if she missed the curfew they would lock her out of the house. What Parents, if you're listening, don't do this. Let your kids back in, deal with it the next day, punish them, but do not lock your kids out.
Speaker 2:Find a different way, especially a girl.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I don't think anybody's doing that these days.
Speaker 2:Well, because if they want to act up, if they want to be misbehaving again, they'll just be like I'm not even going home because I know that they're gonna lock me out. So they'll even misbehave even more.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, so earlier that day she had been at the wake, uh, for a friend who had passed away in a car accident, and there was actually six kids in this accident and they all died from it. It was a big. After the wake, her and her friends went to the woods to drink and console each other. It got late and she had a friend walk her home, but she had missed curfew and had been locked out. She goes, I guess, down the road a little bit to a pay phone to call a friend to see if she could stay there, but the friend's sister was sick and she didn't want to wake her parents up. So that's when Paul Bernardo showed up and offered her a cigarette.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:To Leslie. Paul was a normal looking dude with, you know, a decent car. He dressed preppy, you know. He had the whole vanilla ice hair going on and he offered her a ride. As soon as she got in the car, paul pulled a knife on her and covered her face with a sweater. I wonder if it was the same sweater that he lost his mind over from his girlfriend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we sung part of the weezer song too, yeah like who gets mad over a sweater, goddamn.
Speaker 1:so paul takes leslie to the house that he, he and Carla now share at 3 am and he immediately begins assaulting Leslie while recording. But Carla, she went back to bed.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just that attuned to it.
Speaker 1:How? How do you do that?
Speaker 2:All right, yeah, go ahead, have your fun.
Speaker 1:It's like I imagine Carla just being like oh, putting her little pink sleeping mask back on.
Speaker 2:Went back to bed, ugh.
Speaker 1:And when she woke back up later, she was mad that Paul had used some of the new champagne glasses that they had gotten as a wedding present. Like an early wedding present. They hadn't got married yet, but you know how sometimes you'll get shipped before the wedding. Yeah, and Paul had been givinglie champagne in these glasses and that was the only reason why carla was mad that he, because he used the champagne, used the glasses. Not jealous, not anything, just and then she just went and walked the dog and guess what?
Speaker 2:guess what book she was reading reading a book about I don't fucking know what american psycho, american Psycho oh, it was a brand new book back then. So how did we get from that to this? And now here we are, fucking hell, fucking hell.
Speaker 1:I told you this reminded me of that movie, and then I found that that's what book she was reading and I was like I'd like dropped all my shit.
Speaker 2:Do you like Huey Lewis? In the news In the news. What the fuck?
Speaker 1:Yes, but do you like? Ice Nine Kills, that's my favorite line, oh.
Speaker 2:Even Cooler Bomb Dude. That's such a cool band.
Speaker 1:We love horror, so a metal band that does horror Fuck yeah, and I mean they can make songs forever, because there's horror movies everywhere.
Speaker 2:And they'll just start grabbing all the shit that we're talking about and the latest one about Art the Clown God.
Speaker 1:that song is just. Every song is just.
Speaker 2:We got to see it. Well, we were at a horror con where Art was there. That was cool. Yeah, well, the first art, the first one, not the third art.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, so, anyway. While she's reading, american psycho paul is torturing poor leslie and when she is finished reading the book, she joins in her turn. Now there is graphic details out there about this, but I'm gonna leave that up to you guys to look up because it's hard for me to talk about. I do know that there was like forced rim jobs and that's all I'm gonna say. And in between assaults they gave her a teddy bear to hug and squeeze on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, y'all can't see my face, but and in true fashion just imagine I'm gonna ruin another song for you no, lindy, I'm sorry, I'm already disgusted superman by rem was playing in the background during this video yeah oh man now. Unfortunately, leslie had already been in so much trouble that when her mom reported her missing it went ignored because apparently the cops had already been called on her quite a few times.
Speaker 1:We've had a teenager wayward child that had kind of the same issue back in the day. Yeah, we, yeah, we've. We've been down that road and it is hard and my heart goes out to any parent that has to deal with structure yeah, it's structure.
Speaker 2:And being in the mental capacity to do it the right way. And we've made mistakes Everybody has. You really have to pay attention to what you're bestowing upon your children for discipline.
Speaker 1:Yes, because sometimes they are difficult and you don't have any idea what to do and nobody helps you, nobody helps you.
Speaker 2:Goodness.
Speaker 1:So after about 36 hours of having Leslie in their possession, they decide that they have to kill her. God, lancey. They give her two sleeping pills and after she passed out this is where it gets real Paul strangled her with an electric cord. They put her body in the basement and then that evening Carla's family came over and they hosted a Father's Day dinner. Jesse's at a loss for words.
Speaker 2:I'm still over here quiet. I'm sorry she keeps looking at me for some shit. I don't know how to jump on this train over here right now.
Speaker 1:Now it's said that there was certain food items that Carla and Paul would keep in the basement, like potatoes and stuff. I guess it was like a second pantry, and Carla's mom kept trying to go down to the basement to gather supplies for whatever they were cooking and Carla had to keep stopping her.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, I wasn't thinking about that.
Speaker 1:I wish her mom had went down there. The story could have ended.
Speaker 2:I was hoping it ended after Christmas, which was horrible enough.
Speaker 1:So later on, when the family left, paul gets several bags of concrete mix which he kept the receipt for, and he told the people at the store he was building a deck so they could like give him an estimate of how much he needed. Right, and they set up tarps for easy cleanup. Paul uses a circular saw to dismember Leslie's body into 10 pieces. Carla then washes each body part and puts them in plastic bags. They dispose of the tarps at her work in the biohazard bin and they set the body parts into eight blocks of cement. Wow, now this job didn't take all the mix that he purchased, so he returned the remaining bags and berated the fucking clerk for overestimating how much he would need the nerve of this fucker man.
Speaker 1:I just they're insane. So they take, they load up all the concrete pieces. I don't know how this guy drove a Nissan 240 SX and they load up eight blocks of cement.
Speaker 2:All in one One trip, I'm guessing.
Speaker 1:I'm guessing it was one trip, I don't really know because, yeah, it had to have been, because they go to Lake Gibson and pick a spot to dump the body they have sex. So Paul didn't realize how heavy this job was going to be. So they had actually dropped and cracked one of the blocks containing the torso, carrying it up from the basement, and fluids began to leak out. So he wrapped it in garbage bags and put it in the car. When they get to the lake, they uh they have trouble dubbing the uh dumping the piece containing the torso, because this piece alone weighed 200 pounds yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:So small bag of concrete 60 pounds. Okay, bigger bag of concrete 90 pounds right they probably had the bigger bags of concrete okay so this is this bit I'm holding up my hands and showing lindsey. This is the 90 pound one. It's this wide and only that deep okay, 90 pounds.
Speaker 1:Well, I've seen concrete.
Speaker 2:Okay you put a torso in the middle of that. That's like four bags fuck yeah. So yeah, wow so they take yeah that is like so fucking smart, but so fucking dumb, you know oh, it gets real yeah, here we go so they?
Speaker 1:they take the, the concrete block containing the torso, to a different spot as the rest of the body parts and they dump it from a bridge. Well, what they didn't know was, on its way down, it cracked open even more and began to float. Also, they didn't realize, I guess, that Lake Gibson is a damned lake that would be more shallow at times. It rose in fall. So two weeks later, a man named Bill Grekel was out on the lake trying to enjoy a nice morning out fishing and noticed a concrete block in the shallows that contained a human thigh.
Speaker 2:Holy shit, he's just out trying to catch some fucking walleye and it's so sad.
Speaker 1:I saw this guy on the documentary on the long one that's on Max that I watched. It's like four parts. He's still fucking shook by this incident 40 years later or however long it's been. Yeah, close enough to 30 years later, wow.
Speaker 2:Could you imagine?
Speaker 1:No, I don't want to imagine. Trying to catch a fish, and you know listening to true crime has made me think of all the times that I'm out doing shit, innocent shit.
Speaker 2:Hey, Lindsay, how many dead bodies have you walked by and not noticed?
Speaker 1:Do you know that anytime I see a trash bag on the side of the road?
Speaker 1:I think, I'm tripping every time and I have been ever since and I hope Somebody reach out to me and help me find this movie. It's a Lifetime movie but it was a true case. It was a dentist that ended up murdering his wife and he put her in a fucking duffel bag on the side of the road and a jogger found her. I can't find that movie anywhere. I've put the description into AI, into meta, whatever, and I cannot find it.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what I'm trying to do right now. It's with Valerie.
Speaker 1:Bertinelli.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm trying to bestow upon you.
Speaker 1:Maybe it'll pop up now that I'm speaking about it.
Speaker 2:How many murder crimes and scenes and dead people have you walked by that way that can weigh on your head just like you're putting this on me, okay, getting you back Trying to.
Speaker 1:Well anyway. So Bill Greco, he finds the piece that contained one of the thighs and he immediately calls the police and by the end of the day, body parts will be found. And the next day the torso piece was found by another fisherman. Wow, another poor, just innocent guy trying to go catch some early morning fish meanwhile, at the very same time, on the very, very same day that Leslie's body is found, carla and Paul are getting married.
Speaker 1:Oh how beautiful On video. Of course it's recorded. Everyone looks happy and it's your typical gaudy ass early 90s wedding. We just watched that. Yeah, On, Still Magnolia.
Speaker 2:The Aquanet Fest.
Speaker 1:So much gaudy.
Speaker 2:All the Aquanet.
Speaker 1:Puffs, sleeves, Aquanet so much gaudy.
Speaker 2:All the aqua puff sleeves, the hairspray, everything. Oh my god, the wave in the front, the, what was that called?
Speaker 1:the pantyhose nobody.
Speaker 2:What was the wave in the front the chicks had in the 90s?
Speaker 1:it was called the wave was it yeah, I'm guessing, I don't know if they drove jeeps, maybe that's how the jeep wave things is what I remember doing, like we would curl it, tease it and spray it into a wave spray like half a can.
Speaker 2:You had to buy three cans a week and you drove a jeep, so it was a jeep wave I didn't drive a jeep, I was just I'm just trying. A dumb ass, little kid. My joke is so corny right now, so corny.
Speaker 1:Yes, so the guests actually would later say that everything seemed kind of forced because, let's not forget, only six months prior Carla's little sister had died by what they thought was a tragic accident. Well, to everyone but the bride and grooms you know, they knew Carla and Paula knew what happened to Tammy, carla and Paula knew what happened to Tammy and this horrible couple went on a honeymoon to Maui where they would rape another woman who is also not named.
Speaker 2:Oh, they had to jump onto that shit too. I'm surprised they didn't get caught over there, because they were like we're just going to go over here on a whim. We got to get one in over here because we're addicted. Now, right, this is our thing. We can't wait to do this baby. We're going to go and do this. This is our thing, we can't wait to do this baby.
Speaker 1:We're going to go and do this. Shut up, Don't say that word. That is disgusting.
Speaker 2:But that's what they said in context. That's where my head gets around it. I'm literally saying what they were saying and how they looked at each other and you know when you sit and think about conversations between people that do shit like.
Speaker 1:Know, that's when you sit and think about conversations between people that do shit like this. It, it, it, it. It's horrifying. Yeah, I can't even that's where my mind goes.
Speaker 2:It's the deep, the deep thought and the conversation had to be deep thought and emotions and emotions behind everything is to them is genuine, like they think that this is really right, that they can keep doing this. This is a good thing.
Speaker 1:Well, when they get home from the honeymoon, they found out that Leslie's body had been discovered, but this didn't slow them down. They continued to make sex tapes Carla is still role-playing as Tammy and other victims and they were wanting to kidnap another girl, but this time they wanted to make her their sex slave. They returned to Jane Doe and still had her come over, and on one occasion they almost killed her. 911 was called. But Jane started breathing again. They called 911 and said well, never mind, all good here, and the ambulance was called back without any further investigation.
Speaker 2:All right, we're good here. I mean, she was done, but she's okay now.
Speaker 1:That would not happen now. That would not happen now.
Speaker 2:Well, we're still going to come and check vital signs and such. They did not, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now, like when you accidentally called 911 from your phone, they came and looked all through our house. At what time was it? 4 am, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean I had picked my phone up to cut the alarm off. But the day before that I had seen something that I needed to call yeah, and so, when I turned my alarm off, I actually called the police.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, that's right, that's what it was.
Speaker 2:That's what happened, so I met them at the door. I'm on my way out from work and everybody's stilled on me. I was like I do understand why, because literally 24 hours before that I had called and then my alarm and that was like somehow I'd clicked that to call instead of turning my alarm off.
Speaker 1:Well, and if they had investigated, they would have seen that this girl was.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know, have seen that this girl was yeah, you know up some weird situation.
Speaker 1:She's strangled, she's something. Yeah, so a girl named ray oh they, they would not they always let her go. They wanted to keep her around jane doe, so that they would have still been able to come in and see that she was drugged.
Speaker 2:Is what I mean right, the alcohol that maybe, because the, maybe the minor, because I mean.
Speaker 1:Paul and Carla were good at covering shit up so I don't know. Well, a girl named Rachel noticed this guy who was Paul, following her around, and reported it with the description of his car, which is a Mazda 240SX, and the license plate of the car and he was never questioned In. And the license plate of the car and he was never questioned. In fact, there was another composite sketch drawn when investigators asked who was around when Leslie disappeared and again it looked just like Paul and he wasn't questioned.
Speaker 2:So that's like if you include all the rapings and everything that he did at the bus stations and all the other stuff that was in a different area and the guy that was investigating that. I'm trying to gather up all the failed attempts of bad fucking evidence that nobody followed through on.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm going to say the guy that was investigating that I told you but I didn't tell our audience. His name was Steve Irwin, but he, when they stopped in Scarborough because Paul had moved, now Right, he just was like, okay, I guess it's over with.
Speaker 2:Yeah the Scarborough rapist is no longer in Scarborough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So he was even running an insurance scam during this time and called the police himself to report stolen goods that didn't exist and they were at his fucking house. He reported like 30 grand worth of stolen goods 30 grand. Yes, he is working it, and this whole scam was reported to the constable who was on the Leslie Mahaffey case but had no idea that they had literally been inside the killer's home.
Speaker 2:No, constable, irresponsible.
Speaker 1:And the cement that Paul purchased. It was traced back to the exact store that Paul had purchased it from, called Beaver Lumber.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's easy.
Speaker 1:But he paid in cash.
Speaker 2:So no record no record.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there were two guys who were suspects because they had also committed sexual crimes, but one left the country and one took his own life, so they literally.
Speaker 2:Right them off, yeah.
Speaker 1:And Paul's insane behavior. This story is going to fuck with you. It wasn't just on women. Paul and Carla had a pet iguana named Spike, and it sometimes bit and would whip its tail tail. I know iguanas can do that is that because of gremlins? So probably I mean it was oh, that was the time you're saying that these stories are gonna.
Speaker 2:This one's gonna fuck me.
Speaker 1:Every single fucking one fucks with me, lindsey well, they had some friends over for a barbecue and the iguana bit. One of the friends, paul, then throws the iguana against the wall, decapitates it.
Speaker 2:Whoa.
Speaker 1:Carla fillets it, takes out its balls and says well, I guess Spike's the boy. And Paul throws this poor iguana on the fucking grill to serve to his guests. Y'all want to eat some iguana on the fucking grill to serve to his guests? Y'all want to eat some iguana? Well, the friends did not partake in eating spike, but it said that carla ate every bite of her portion and I'm sorry, I would have excused myself from the barbecue after paul lost his shit.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean done bye, I'm like whoa, uh, I mean and then I probably would have told everybody I knew that this dude's a psycho you know, just put it over there in the cage.
Speaker 2:I think we'll be okay, poor Spike.
Speaker 1:He's just Paul is escalating and escalating Like.
Speaker 2:Violent, just outrage, just the addiction of lashing out and knowing that power, the sheer fucking power and greed and selfishness of him having to have that fulfillment is just there.
Speaker 1:Well, now we're in April of 1992, and Paul started all his shit, I think, in 86. So now we're six years in to him just getting away, and getting away, and getting away with everything, and he has this phenomenal fucking music career too, right yeah? He wishes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, god.
Speaker 1:Paul and Carla are on the prowl for the sex slave that they wanted, and Paul had stalked many different women and it was noticed and reported, but again, nothing was done. He set his sight on a 15-year-old named Kristen French and he would follow her home and would peep on her while she undressed. Then he and Carla made the plan to kidnap her. They made sure they were right where they needed to be while Kristen was walking home from school and while holding a map. Carla asked Kristen for directions. Paul comes up behind her holding a knife, blindfolded her and threw her in the car and they went back to their house. They put on iced teas original gangster made Kristen drink screwdrivers and then began to rape and torture her, and it would go on for three days.
Speaker 2:What the fuck, Lindsay?
Speaker 1:Now, when Kristen didn't show up at home on time, police were called immediately because she was responsible, punctual, so news of her disappearance was on TV quickly and her family is begging for her return. I mean, I've seen the clips from that. Oh God, it's heart-wrenching. Police actually ended up finding her shoe and a piece of the map that Carla was holding on her route home, so they think that she was like smart and like left clues. You know, witnesses seen Kristen being taken because this was broad daylight, but they misidentified the car, saying that it was a cream colored Camaro, not a gold Mazda 240XX.
Speaker 2:Oh God.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So meanwhile, at the house of horrors, not only is rape and torture happening, but Paul is also forcing kristin to listen to his rap which is way worse than ice, motherfucking tea.
Speaker 2:I love iced tea. I love body count. Yes, I like. I like iced tea.
Speaker 1:I like iced tea, yeah but they're also making her watch coverage of her own disappearance on TV.
Speaker 2:What the fuck? Yeah, this is so fucking horrible. I'm just saying I don't want to think about it, but I am, and it's just to be in that spot.
Speaker 1:I mean, they were also trying to make her feel at home. They would buy, takeout and rent videos, force Kristen to watch movies with them, like Paul was going out and running the errands and renting the movies and Carla is trying to be girlfriends with Kristen while Paul is out. She even talks about it. We did each other's makeup, yeah, wow, but after three days Kristen would no longer be with us. Now Carla says that Paul strangled her for seven minutes until she was gone, but her autopsy would show that her death was caused by a mallet blow to the head. It's speculated that this was actually done by Carla, because either Kristen had begged for Carla to let her go while Paul was out or, um, she had actually tried to escape. Wow, and Carla was guarding her with a mallet. Like that was, yeah, what Paul, or what Carla says Paul had her do. This is so fucking bad.
Speaker 1:But whatever the truth is, Kristen was dead. Yeah, they scrubbed her body clean. They cut her hair and wrapped her in a blanket, dumped her body in a ditch and then went to Easter dinner at Carla's parents' house. Is that why you planned this? I actually did it. It worked out very weirdly.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I hope they didn't watch fucking Steel Magnolias. They better not have those bastards.
Speaker 1:And her body wouldn't be found for two weeks Ooh.
Speaker 2:This is fucking horrible, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Well, police and FBI. They made profiles of who they think the killers are and it's totally wrong. The car was misidentified. It's just an absolute disaster. There was a constable that was investigating the Smyrnis brothers because of their scams and they sold Paul out. But when Paul was interviewed his alibi that he was, that he was at home recording his rap album and when asked about his car, paul said well, it's not a gold or a cream colored Camaro and they let him go. They let him go and um game was so fucking weak.
Speaker 1:Oh, and he wanted that shit to take off so hard that he actually spent thousands of dollars making a music room and he legally changed his name to Paul Jason Teal because he didn't think Paul Bernardo was a good stage name.
Speaker 2:Pauly Teal, are you sure?
Speaker 1:I bet half of our audience won't even get that. So Paul, though, he did start to get a little worried from questioning that he was getting from what was called the Green Ribbon Task Force. This was the task force on you know these cases, yeah, and he decided to hide his home movies into the ceiling above the garage, and there was a lot of them. After the death of Kristen French, paul started to get really abusive to Carla, and other friends were actually witnessing this One friend that I've seen on the documentary now he has his face blacked out and his name has been changed. He says that he was over hanging out with Paul and Carla, and Paul offered him a drink. Paul made Carla make the drink and Carla brings the drink to the friend and puts it like right in his hands. Paul then proceeds to backhand Carla so hard that it nearly knocked her off her feet. He says that a drink should be brought to a guest on a serving tray.
Speaker 2:What the fuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:To your fucking crime buddy, your fucking murder rapist buddy, she's going to turn on you. Oh, it starts, yeah. To your fucking crime buddy, your fucking murder rapist buddy, she's going to turn on you.
Speaker 1:Oh, it starts to get. Yeah, it starts to get real. Oh yeah. Now it is speculated that Paul had become very angry with Carla because he never wanted to kill his victims, he wanted to keep them as slaves, and that carla was actually the one responsible for the deaths that she was killing out of jealousy, like she wanted to keep her man happy and went along with all the rape and torture, but when he would show too much attention to the victim and not enough to carla.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's when they would die she would let him do all that for the excitement, to the point. And I don't know, but, don't know. But that is a theory?
Speaker 1:Yes, that is a theory and it makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's nobody coming between us, and that is oh because she knew. Oh, a twist, and I'm enjoying this little twist.
Speaker 1:Now Paul and Paul, he, actually he doesn't start. He doesn't stop trying to get victims, but further attempts were failed. He doesn't stop trying to get victims, but further attempts were failed. So you can rest easy knowing that Chris and French is the last one we're going to talk about. Good, let's do the twist. So Carla would start going to work very bruised up and even though she tried to hide it, the co-workers were definitely noticing.
Speaker 2:They even said that Paul was starting to call possessively and obsessively all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like we did last summer, oh my god, like we did last year so one night, after being out with buddies in montreal trying to pick up women and failing, paul came home and beat the living shit out of Carla with a flashlight. The images of this beating are brutal. Both of her eyes are so black and swollen that you couldn't even see her actual eye. It just looks like pure like raccoon.
Speaker 2:Swole shut, yeah, yeah they're swole shut.
Speaker 1:So, carla, she either seeks refuge with her aunt and uncle or her parents I've heard both in different sources and she tells them that Paul was responsible for Tammy's death Just Paul. And around this time, same time, that DNA sample that Paul had volunteered, like two years prior, was a match for the Scarborough rapist. Oh, here we go. So Carla decides to spill all the beans to the police now that she's, you know, been horribly abused and it is said that she was actually reading books about being in an abusive relationship and decided to get ahead of the game because maybe she wouldn't get in as much trouble for her ahead of the game, because maybe she wouldn't get in as much trouble for her part of the crimes if she put them all on Paul and say that she was just too afraid to not go along with it. Right, so Paul is now under surveillance and his phone is tapped and finally enough information has been presented to get him on the murders.
Speaker 1:And Carla sat down for a five-hour interview to fill in the blanks as an abused spouse. She I watched videos of this, of this interview, and she's like in your typical 80s, like half ponytail up type thing, and she, just she looks like a member of the Mickey Mouse Club, just very innocent, innocent. Carla admits, so she lawyers up and she admits to her lawyer the part her part in the death of Tammy and that she was present for the murders of Leslie Mahaffey and Kristen French. She knew Paul would throw her under the bus, just as she did him, so they had to paint this as an abused spouse situation. This was all to get immunity for testifying against Paul and this was granted, but they didn't know the entire truth yet and to prosecution. This seemed like a great idea.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know she's an eyewitness could tell them everything, and they wouldn't have to do the work of building a case. Carla would do it for them. But Carla was not going to go completely unpunished, because while searching the house of horrors, some of the videotapes were discovered and they showed Carla's absolute participation. Yeah, her, she was relaxed, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, no, she didn't forget. She actually told him that there was, but she thought that she could convince them that she was all under an abused situation that she was being made to do that, yeah, but too many opportunities to get away, right.
Speaker 2:And with other people there. You could have teamed up with them and got away. I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, investigators are horrified. Yeah Well, investigators are horrified from watching these videotapes. In fact, one woman she's on the documentary she was so traumatized that she can't even hear the word tape without being triggered.
Speaker 2:Triggered by tape.
Speaker 1:Just by the word tape. Wow, yeah. But the deal had been made, which is now described as the deal with the devil. Before her trial, carla writes her family a letter and this is what it says Dear Mom, dad and Lori, this is the hardest letter I've ever had to write and you'll probably hate me once you read it. I've kept this inside myself for so long and I just can't lie to you anymore.
Speaker 1:Both Paul and I are responsible for Tammy's death. Paul was quote in love unquote with her and wanted to have sex with her. He wanted me to help him. He wanted me to get sleeping pills from work to drug her with. He threatened me and physically and emotionally abused me when I refused. No words I can say can make you understand what he put me through. No-transcript, but something maybe the combination of drugs and the food she ate that night caused her to vomit. I tried so hard to save her and I'm so sorry, but no words I can say can bring her back. I would gladly give my life for hers. I don't expect you to ever forgive me. I will never forget myself, carla, xoxo.
Speaker 2:What the fuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, imagine getting that letter from your kid.
Speaker 2:Imagine being in that situation and not getting the fuck out because you're enjoying it. That's what she was doing. And then now she's like I can just paint this picture, right, right, your fucking artwork sucks Like his rapping.
Speaker 1:Horrible, horrible. Now Carla would receive five years each for Leslie Mahaffey and Kristen French and just two years for Tammy, so 12 years total, with the possibility of parole. After two or three years, during the search of their home, a journal was discovered of Paul's that had every single detail of the crimes. Several sexual deviant books, or is it? Yeah, I think that's how you say it.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1:Handcuffs, a hunting knife and one video of Paul Carla and two unidentified females. Wow yeah, so there's even more, there's more. There's more yeah.
Speaker 2:Not to count the 30.
Speaker 1:Probably that happened in scarborough now the large collection of tapes hadn't been brought to court yet. Pa actually tells his attorney where they are and he keeps them under wraps for 18 months. 18 months.
Speaker 2:The lawyer, everybody working and hang their selves on their well from I understand.
Speaker 1:This was very confusing to me as to why he did this, from what I'm understanding because see now Carla, she's already gone to jail, she's doing her 12 years. That's all she gets for three murders my understanding is that he was holding onto the tapes so that he could boom, surprise everybody with them, exactly To make Paul look less guilty and carla more guilty. Maybe that's just me speculating I'm not.
Speaker 2:He's doing some get back. After all that he was letting him do all that work and then at the end he can just drop the bomb yeah, he did, he got.
Speaker 1:He got in a lot of trouble for that, because that's withholding evidence, right? Yeah?
Speaker 2:which doesn't make a fuck, because he knows he's already hung up for murders and shit, so he's just trying to get her back.
Speaker 1:Well, and also maybe a lesser sentence for Paul.
Speaker 2:I don't know, he thought he could make a deal, yeah.
Speaker 1:So Carla, she legally divorced Paul in 1994. And Paul's trial began in 1995. Paul was sentenced to life in prison, which is only 25 years in Canada. Because they are all about reform, unless they are deemed a danger to society, and he definitely is. So no parole for you.
Speaker 2:Paul, no dude, your CD was a danger in its own.
Speaker 1:And he later actually confessed to 10 additional assaults. Carla served her 12 years and was released quietly on July 4th 2005. She later married her lawyer's brother name, I don't know. It's spelled T-H-I-E-R-R-Y. So is that Terry? I think so. Yeah, terry Bordelius, and she went by several different names and had to move around quite frequently because she would get discovered and she has children and would go to their PTA meetings and other school functions until she would get discovered and I was also. I was listening to a listener's tale episode on Morbid.
Speaker 1:One of their listeners wrote in saying that she had been in a facebook mom group with carla homoka oh my who was using one of her aliases and, after a while, finally admitted to the group who she really was how the fuck are you walking free man? What the fuck yeah yeah, she's, I've got updated pictures of her. She actually went on like an interview. It's all in French, though, and so I mean I read some of the subtitles, but I didn't want to. I just didn't want to sit. Yeah, so Paul is still in prison at La Macasa institution and he is now 60 years old. That kind of blew my mind, cause.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but no reform there, Canada.
Speaker 1:Sorry, love you my mind because yeah but no reform there.
Speaker 2:Canada, sorry, love you, but yeah, they shouldn't let her lose, man god.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I mean. It. I mean she was all right. They I don't know why they didn't go back on that deal. I don't know, why? But the crown like they, they kept it, they kept it yeah goodness gracious yeah, the public was outraged over that. They're absolutely outraged Because the jury I think-.
Speaker 2:Everybody that listens. Send her a friend request.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, we don't yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, she's under different names. We're going to find her.
Speaker 1:I actually meant to look up all her extra names that she used, but I forgot to. I apologize. Yeah, so I mean the jury had to watch those videotapes like three times.
Speaker 2:Goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:And it was a lot, it was like six hours yeah we're never going to be on your team.
Speaker 2:Sorry, Barbie.
Speaker 1:No, never.
Speaker 2:So anyhow, Lindsay, I'm horrified.
Speaker 1:Well, you'll be happy to know that's the end of this two-part saga.
Speaker 2:The end.
Speaker 1:And I never want to talk about them again. It is over it is over.
Speaker 2:I never want to talk about them again. I'm just, I'm puddled, I scared you, I scared the shit out of me, I slipped it in on her. It was loud at the beginning, it was very loud. I like it. I got you, though you got me. I got you, though you got me, I got you babe.
Speaker 1:You did a great job, though Horribly great.
Speaker 2:I know I want to play some music. Can I do that?
Speaker 1:What band are we plugging today? I?
Speaker 2:want to talk about this underground phenomenon that's been going on for a long time in LA.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're back in LA again. Yeah Well, are we back in?
Speaker 2:LA again. Yeah Well, that's our second biggest city. Thank you, la, it is.
Speaker 1:Yes, Thank you LA.
Speaker 2:And I'll do a little segment later on about locations and cities and towns, and thank you guys so much for listening. Drinkaboutsomethingsite.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:If you know anybody that might be interested, send them our way.
Speaker 1:Right, and if you like what we're putting out, please, please, give us a review. Yes, like us, follow us, share us All the good stuff. We love you so much. I want to play some music, though, from LA.
Speaker 2:This is Scum Love and this song is called Ride or Die. So check this stuff out, we'll be right back. Easy come and easy go. Ride or die with the devil, you know, always high and never low, shifting gears nice and slow. Yeah, you know you Want to. You know you Need to feel alive, need to feel alive. Need to feel alive, staring down a loaded gun Time for a little one on one. Turn out the light and shut the door. I think I've got what you're looking for. Yeah, you know you Wonder who. You know you Need to feel alive, need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I like what I like about you, honey. You know what you're not.
Speaker 1:It's out of the game. You know you. What do you know?
Speaker 2:you Need to feel alive, need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive. I need to feel alive.
Speaker 1:I are fucking awesome. I'm grooving over here. So their bio says that they are a post dark rock band. Yeah, and I like that sound.
Speaker 2:It reminds me of like a mixture of rob zombie and breaking, ben and breaking benjamin together yeah, yeah, and I'm trying to think here um mushroom headish yeah, okay, yes, yes, absolutely really cool, really very cool.
Speaker 1:Scum love you are awesome. Yeah, loved it, loved Um mushroom head. Ish, yeah, okay, yes, yes, absolutely Really cool, really cool, very cool. Scum love you are awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, loved it, loved it. Thank you, la. Thanks for um all the support. Thank you, scum love Check those guys out.
Speaker 1:You know they do some stuff. Other United States, Canada, united Kingdom, turkey, russian Federation, germany, ireland, shizhekia, shizhekia, it's C-Z-E-C-H-I-A, thank you. Mexico and Australia Doing some stats here checking stuff out.
Speaker 2:Thank you guys so much.
Speaker 1:Biggest cities are Los Angeles, california, jacksonville, florida, lake City, florida. That's where we're from. Thank, you.
Speaker 2:We're third in our own town. Yes, y'all got to tune in. Tune in.
Speaker 1:Atlanta, georgia, flint, michigan, miami, florida, orlando, florida, Istanbul, yeah.
Speaker 2:Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 1:Istanbul. Yeah, that is awesome, awesome New Orleans. Love you, new Orleans.
Speaker 2:We are going to be visiting you again soon.
Speaker 1:Yes, I have missed you we need more time in New Orleans. Dallas, texas, pensacola, florida, gainesville, florida, holiday Florida, baton Rouge, louisiana.
Speaker 2:Hello Baton Rouge. Baton Rouge, a visit. We need to do that, yeah.
Speaker 1:Waxhaw, North Carolina, Phoenix, Arizona, Cromer, Norfolk.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And Troy, michigan. Thank you all so much for listening to us. Those are the top ones. We love you, love the stats.
Speaker 2:Love the feedback and let us know what you think about these bands. What do you think about all of her shit over here? Lindsay, dumping it on me.
Speaker 1:I've got one more couple's case next week and then we're going to move on to something.
Speaker 2:Move on.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:But yeah, other than that, you know, thank you guys, check us out, share the love and we'll see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And you'll have a great weekend. Have a great Easter and hope you had a great Easter.
Speaker 1:Yes, hope you had a great.
