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EPISODE 29: Girl in the Box
What drives a seemingly normal couple to kidnap, torture, and enslave a young woman for seven years? The story of Colleen Stan—known as "The Girl in the Box"—takes us into the darkest corners of psychological manipulation and human endurance.
In 1977, twenty-year-old Colleen Stan made a fateful decision to hitchhike from Oregon to California. When a young couple with a baby offered her a ride, all the safety signals seemed positive. That moment of trust led to seven years of captivity at the hands of Cameron and Janice Hooker. Cameron, a mill worker with dangerous fantasies, had already groomed his teenage wife into participating in his violent BDSM activities. But he wanted more—a sex slave entirely under his control.
The psychological prison Cameron constructed was more effective than any physical restraint. He invented an elaborate fiction about "The Company," a supposed underground organization that trafficked women as slaves, convincing Colleen that if she escaped, not only would she be recaptured, but her family would be murdered. This fear kept her captive even when she was eventually allowed limited freedom—working as a maid, caring for the Hookers' children, and even holding a job outside their home.
What makes this case particularly disturbing is how Cameron systematically broke down Colleen's identity—forcing her to sign a "slavery contract," renaming her "Kay," keeping her in a coffin-like box under their waterbed, and subjecting her to unimaginable tortures. Yet despite these horrors, she developed complex emotional attachments to her captors, demonstrating one of the most profound cases of Stockholm syndrome ever documented.
The breakthrough came in 1984 when Janice finally revealed to Colleen that "The Company" was entirely fictional—a revelation that led to freedom, justice, and the shocking discovery of another murder victim. Cameron Hooker received 104 consecutive years in prison, while both Colleen and Janice worked to rebuild their shattered lives.
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Hey, jesse.
Speaker 3:Hello Lindsey, how was that? And Cindy hey Cindy, we got another guest in the house.
Speaker 1:Yes, this is my bestest friend from well, I have three best friends. This is my 19 year best friend. We met at my still place of work, 19 years ago. Uh, we bonded because, um, so we were trying to get some silverware to roll and, uh, all the other bitches were being stingy about it were you listening to limp biscuit while you were rolling, rolling? Might have been, I don't know. It was probably more like fucking paul wall's grills in the background.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Let me see your grill. So the manager that was on that day was like well, hey, if y'all go help out in the dish pit for like 20 minutes, I'll excuse you from Civilware and give you a piece of Coca-Cola cake.
Speaker 3:So y'all were rocking in the pit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were rocking it, we put on the plastic aprons and we were both like, oh my God, we're so gross, we got to go home and boil ourselves.
Speaker 3:And yeah, and then we've literally been best friends ever since I used to do dish for food and, oh man, dish was just nuts and I would sling shit, I would go wide open.
Speaker 1:We were. We were soaked, I was moshing in the dish pit.
Speaker 4:It was definitely gross.
Speaker 1:It was so gross.
Speaker 4:But it was well worth it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got that chocolate cake at the end, man.
Speaker 4:And we didn't have to roll silverware, exactly, and a whole friendship.
Speaker 3:So y'all were listening to Limp Bizkit, y'all were keep rolling, rolling, rolling, yeah, and then you did it all for the cookie.
Speaker 4:We did we did.
Speaker 3:We did the cake cookie.
Speaker 4:I'll say, oh for the cake.
Speaker 3:It's all in biscuit references to me. I mean, that's just where I'm going here, I guess.
Speaker 1:But we went through many walks of life Together yes, marriages, divorces. We lived together with six kids.
Speaker 3:That was an adventure Y'all have done. Seen a many of me come and go, not a many?
Speaker 4:No, not many, just a couple.
Speaker 3:Just a couple. Yeah, y'all have seen the shittiest parts of the dudes come in and out.
Speaker 1:Yeah definitely, absolutely Talk to each other through it.
Speaker 3:And you helped each other out.
Speaker 4:That's great, and raised our kids together. Basically yeah.
Speaker 3:There's some shittiness that I own up to myself, but I'm glad you guys are still together.
Speaker 1:We all go through shit, yeah, we all go through shit yeah.
Speaker 3:Cause you know they, some women, be doing some conniving too.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, oh yeah, we literally did cases about it.
Speaker 3:There's going to be one in here For sure. Women be doing the work.
Speaker 1:Yes, so are you.
Speaker 3:She doesn't like it when I say that Wrong women be doing the work. I know yeah.
Speaker 1:Real women be doing the real work. And and then there's other women.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm glad you're here, Cindy. Yes, we talked about you a couple of pods ago and we were like we want to get Cindy over here. We had to have a Cindy day, Didn't?
Speaker 1:I say that Yep, and here.
Speaker 3:I am there she be and here she is. Yay, I'm so excited, like I'm just like she's here and I'm happy about it. That I'm just like she's here and I'm happy about it, that's great. And I got buttons I can push, but anyhow.
Speaker 1:So do you know what we're going to be drinking about today?
Speaker 3:No, I was going to ask you what are you drinking, Jessie? You're off kilter there, liz, I am.
Speaker 1:My bestie's here, man, I know, and I got another one on the way, so yeah.
Speaker 3:You are. We're having a slumber party tonight. Yeah, I forgot my PJs. Me too, I'm going to have to wear y'all's. Yeah, we'll all be wearing them.
Speaker 1:You know I got some nighties you want to wear.
Speaker 3:I do Yep, I want to wear muumuu's. I'm old enough now.
Speaker 4:I do own muumuu's I saw a TikTok today.
Speaker 1:It was a girl's drink night. They had muum, I had moo-moos and margaritas. I'm down.
Speaker 4:I was like bitch. I don't even got to go buy an outfit, I already own it, hell yeah.
Speaker 1:Same.
Speaker 3:I know I won't be invited, but you know, hey, it's all good as long as you wear a moo-moo, it's cool.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not invited. I'm not part of that.
Speaker 4:Moo-moo and a margarita bartender.
Speaker 3:So I'm drinking saint augustine florida straight bourbon. It's the only bonded bourbon in florida and it is amazing, I'm not sponsored. Saint augustine distillery sponsor us yeah, and so is how patters, because I love how patterns. Yeah, but saint augustine is still when how patterns gets their bourbon. I swear to god I'm probably gonna love it.
Speaker 4:I swear to god, most definitely local yeah, yeah, they got liquor now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how patterns. Yeah, it's awesome, it's really cool, it's really really good. But, uh, this is my favorite bourbon, though, in the whole wide world, and it's on the rocks. And I've tried some whistle pig that lindsey bought me. That was like 200 a bottle and I don't compare. Well, this is, this is phenomenal. Phenomenal. So like, yeah, that's what I'm drinking and what are you drinking over there, lindsay?
Speaker 1:So I made a concoction with some of that pineapple rum that you bought last week with Pineapple Vista Bay. So I got a rattle cup today. You didn't rattle a cup, man, I got the place that I work at cup. That I got at a Christmas party. You got it down.
Speaker 3:One platform, one and one quota down. Yes, yes. And Miss Cindy, what are you drinking over there? Tell us, tell us.
Speaker 4:Plain old boring pink lemonade.
Speaker 1:Hey, pink lemonade is the shit. Is it country time?
Speaker 4:No, it's the minute made out of the can.
Speaker 1:I was going to say is it great value? Because that's the tits too.
Speaker 4:Great value out of a soda pop. Can, okay, hell yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:As long as you're drinking and you're enjoying her horrific ass story and I'm sure that you're going to dump something on us real bad, but go ahead with your other little bit here.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so today we're drinking about colleen stan. Yeah, what about the?
Speaker 3:old thing.
Speaker 1:I want to do the old thing thing oh yeah, well, uh, did you want to cue the intro song? Not yet, okay, how? What made you feel old?
Speaker 3:this week. I've been wearing glasses since third grade and now I wear contacts and that makes me feel a little bit younger, but at the same time, now the small print is making me feel old too squinty the fine print I can't do.
Speaker 1:You know what I do I blow, I take a picture of it with my phone and blow it up, really.
Speaker 3:So you're there too. I'm there too, really. Yeah, oh, we're old and I think I'm the oldest here?
Speaker 4:Yep, yeah, I think I am.
Speaker 1:A couple years.
Speaker 4:And I have to have glasses for 44 or 45? I'll be 45 this year.
Speaker 3:Okay, oh, real blue rasher on a 45. Everybody loves a bosom for a pillow, everybody loves a bosom Real rasher on a 45. Yeah, that's what made me feel all dough. I can't see shit. I have contacts Like up close.
Speaker 4:I have contacts and software glasses on the computer, oh so.
Speaker 3:I'm. I think it's the computers that got us, because we do a lot of computer work. Between you and I, we're like I sit on the computer all day, all day, so all the fine print's going away, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I have to look at a tablet a lot at work and then I look at my phone and now a tablet at home a lot typing up this shit for these cases, but um, what's yours Huh? What's your make you feel old. So it's my left knee again this week. It's my left knee. It's my left knee, my left knee hates me.
Speaker 1:My name's Lindsey and I have a bad left knee Well for years. I mean, both of you guys know that I was in a terrible abusive relationship years ago and my right knee was injured in that relationship and it doesn't hurt me at all now, but my left knee that was perfectly fine hurts all the time.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm not going to be an asshole and mule kick you in the other knee.
Speaker 1:Please don't. Maybe it'll correct it. It's not a risk. I'm not going to be an asshole and mule kick you in the other knee. Please don't. Maybe it'll correct it.
Speaker 3:It's not a risk I'm willing to take.
Speaker 1:The workouts that I was doing this week required a lot of lunges and squats and my left knee like I was trying to dance around the house and do the Angus Young thing with Silas earlier. You know that takes some damn skill.
Speaker 3:dude Angus is like 70. And he's rocking on tour right now and doing that shit every night.
Speaker 1:I did like two of the Angus Young whatever you want to call it, gallops, that's a duck walk, duck walks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, thank you, chuck Berry, for bringing that to Angus Young. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I was doing, I did like two across the kitchen. I'm like, all right, I'm old and Silas is like. Angus Young is old, he's older than you, and I'm like, well, he's been doing it his whole life.
Speaker 3:He's almost as old as us put together, jesus.
Speaker 1:And he's a little, teeny, tiny man. He's littler than me.
Speaker 3:He is I'm going to put it on Cindy. Now it's your turn. What made you feel old this week, miss cindy, recovering from a hysterectomy, oh okay.
Speaker 4:Oh, she wins. You do you do, because I'll never get one of those? Yeah, I'm a uterine, I would like to have one club.
Speaker 1:I would like to have one, but at the same time I'm like maybe I don't, I don't know so so you just got actually, hopefully it's worth it because, like I'll be, and how you're about. A month post-op, three weeks, three weeks, okay.
Speaker 3:Is that when you get kicked out of the Mormon religion? Might be yeah.
Speaker 4:I don't. I was never in it so I don't couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3:That's your only way out is like I think that is a, I think that's how you get out of the Mormon religion. You just get a hysterectomy. Yeah, you're like out.
Speaker 1:You can't. You know what, If we were in the handmaid's tale shit, she would have to go to the colony.
Speaker 3:She's gone to the colony.
Speaker 1:Or be a.
Speaker 4:Martha.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you can be Jezebel, yeah.
Speaker 4:You wouldn't get pregnant.
Speaker 1:I mean, I couldn't either, because my tubes are tied. So we would either be Jezebels, Marthas or Colony bitches, yep.
Speaker 3:Y'all some Aunt Lydia's, I can tell it from here, we would be.
Speaker 4:Marthas, we would be. You see the look on Lindsay's face. We'd be Marthas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, did you see my face? I'm like I'm giving you Aunt Lydia's.
Speaker 3:Aunt Lydia's trying. I don't know.
Speaker 1:She keeps giving me remorse she has brought me up before and let me down, same as Serena Joy.
Speaker 3:All three of us love Handmaid's Tale so much. It is really our jive for real.
Speaker 4:Literally just messaged Lindsay last week and was like why are they only posting one a week? This is not fair, it's not.
Speaker 3:Cliffhangers, every fucking move.
Speaker 1:And me and Jesse have rewatched it three times.
Speaker 3:in anticipation of this season, we had a party one time and it didn't even happen for like another year. Lindsay, I know I got a shirt for that. I did too. It's in my drawer right now. We get dressed up for Handmaid's Tale over here. We love it so much.
Speaker 1:Love you, Elizabeth Moss.
Speaker 3:Yes, tell us about the story that you're fixing to dump on us.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 3:So off, yes, tell us about the story that you're fixing to dump.
Speaker 4:All right, so today we are going to be talking about colleen stan, which is also known as the girl in the box. Yeah what?
Speaker 1:yep, you're not going to do this kind of shit now. Oh, I am like what kind of box?
Speaker 3:oh, I'm gonna tell you we don't get to know. See, that's, that's where I just don't even ask. But at the same time it's like I don't know about this bullshit right here, so I'm gonna let you guys fly with it. So here we go and I want to say happy friday yeah, what a box girl in the box.
Speaker 1:Oh god, this isn't fair it's not you know sorry, while we're doing sound check.
Speaker 3:We were just so, it's not. I'm so sorry. You know, while we were doing soundcheck, we were just so hung on Righteous Gemstone.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:And we went back to an old 70s song and we've been singing it and I did it like three times a day and she actually sent it to me.
Speaker 1:Lindsay sent it to me and I was like that's the song I've been singing all day. Well, the Righteous Gemstone. It's a Danny McBride production and he's a genius and all the music in that show is fucking amazing. And he featured the who but it's so. Appalachia, to me that's D-N-A that episode was deep Appalachian bullshit right there in California. Cindy has no idea what we're talking about, but she's gonna watch it. She's gotta watch it now.
Speaker 3:No, I haven't watched it, yet it's so funny we're going
Speaker 1:to get you hooked. If you are new here. What we do is we talk about true crime and we drink and we plug a band at the end that we're digging and we think that you should listen to as well.
Speaker 3:Sometimes I don't drink enough because the stories are so bad.
Speaker 1:I don't know you haven't seen me super slushed yet. Through Ken and Barbie. You were just like the second part. You were I puddled.
Speaker 3:I was quiet, he was just like this. I was the girl in the box for Ken and Barbie.
Speaker 1:You don't want to say that. I promise.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:All right. So in this case we're going to go back to the 70s, where people were hitchhiking to get place to place and, yes, this was dangerous, but so many were doing it and a lot of serial killers were using this ploy to get their victims. But we're not going to talk about a serial killer today, but it's a doozy case nonetheless. The list. So colleen martin stan was born december 31st, new year's eve wow, 1956, in eugene. Oregon pick up steve. Is it oregon or oregon oregon?
Speaker 3:man, it's just oregon, oregon trail growing up and I said oregon back then you said oregon, it's oregon. Were you folding paper doing Oregoni what?
Speaker 1:the hell. So anyway. So Oregon. She was born in Eugene, Oregon, to Jack and Evelyn Martin, and she had two younger sisters and they grew up in Riverside California.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Colleen was very intelligent and a poet, but she didn't really do that well in school. She didn't fit in that box that our educational system wants everybody to fit in, you know, because it doesn't always work out. I myself didn't fit in.
Speaker 3:I didn't either.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, none of my children did either. So she quit school at 16 and married her boyfriend very young, and that marriage only lasted about a year and she moved back home young and that marriage only lasted about a year and she moved back home. She met and befriended a couple in Oregon who had a kid and became very close with this family and moved in with them. On May 19th 1977, she told the couple, bob and I don't know if it was Alice or Allison, I've heard both so I'm going to go by Alice she told Bob and Alice that she wanted to go visit California to surprise her friend, that she wanted to In California. Okay, she wanted to visit her friend Linda for her birthday and surprise her.
Speaker 1:Linda had no idea she was coming, so Bob and Allison would drive her part of the way there and then she would hitchhike the remainder of the trip. She felt that she was a good judge upon who she would accept rides from. She'd done this several times before. So they set out on a Thursday and she planned to be back by Saturday.
Speaker 3:So she's hitching down to California.
Speaker 1:Well, bob and Allison are going to take her part of the way there. I think it was, like I want to say, a six-hour drive to where she was going.
Speaker 3:From Oregon to California.
Speaker 1:From Oregon, from, yeah, okay, she was going to, I want to say Westwood, I'll get there in a minute. So she planned to be back on Saturday, but she did not return on Saturday. So Allison thought that maybe she extended her trip longer and after a few days she decided to call Colleen's mother. But Colleen's mother had not seen nor heard from her. So Allison calls the police to track down the friend that she was supposed to be visiting, and Linda had not heard from her either. So where the fuck was Colleen On that Thursday when she set out on her journey, after Bob and Allison had dropped her off, she would take two additional rides and was about a hundred miles away from Westwood yeah, westwood, california, which is where she was, where her destination was. So one guy in a Porsche, he only wait a minute.
Speaker 3:Didn't they have the Westwood TV show that we were watching? Westworld, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, westworld. Did y'all watch any of that? You want our audience to answer back?
Speaker 3:I mean, I'm talking about the other thing. I'm talking with Lindsay and Cindy.
Speaker 4:I think so. That's where it's like the old they were supposed to play the robots, yeah.
Speaker 2:But, it was like a fake western city.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the robots?
Speaker 2:they started doing weird, that was really cool.
Speaker 1:They started to get intelligent and fight back. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I've seen some of the new AI robots and stuff they're doing now. Oh my God, they almost like have that intelligence now. Goodness gracious. Anyhow, keep on cracking. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:So the Thursday that Colleen set out on her journey after Bob and Allison had dropped her off, she would take two additional rides and was about 100 miles away from her destination, and one ride was from a guy in a Porsche and he only took her about 17 miles, and the other one was two truck drivers, of which one would actually try to make out with her, but she pushed him off and he actually later apologized. She turned down a few more rides because they didn't pass the vibe check and then a young couple with a baby pulled up and offered her a ride.
Speaker 3:Oh, how sweet.
Speaker 1:So Colleen was 20 at the time and the couple seemed about the same age and they had a baby. So you know.
Speaker 1:All the green flags. The green flags were up at the time. Yeah, why not? So she accepted this ride. They made small talk and Colleen told them that she was surprising her friend for her birthday. And the man that was driving the car, he was like she doesn't know, you're coming, and Colleen was like no. So then Colleen started to get a little worried because this guy started asking her more and more, more personal questions and kept looking at her through the rear view mirror. But she tried to calm herself down. So, even though she got that weird feeling, she pushed it out of her mind because she was almost there. She was almost there. They stopped at a gas station and she actually thought about jumping out the window at the gas station.
Speaker 3:That much of a vibe drop that much of a vibe check and abandoning the couple completely.
Speaker 1:But she was like you know I'm going to just keep pushing on through it. Do not ignore your gut feelings. People Don't do it yeah, and in that situation you know, like you always say, it was a man, a woman and a baby so, and this is the 70s, the 70s, and you always say that there was a lot of fucked up shit happening in the 70s. Like I used to want to live in the 70s and still I started listening to true crime. I no longer I no longer ever want.
Speaker 1:I don't want nothing to do with the 70s except the music part. That's it. The music of the 70s fucking amazing, yeah.
Speaker 3:But everything else the cults, the serial killers, the sadistic shit that was going on in the 70s is wild they were really a lot of our cases in the future will be in the 70s because like the world was changing, you know and there were so many people yeah, and there were so many people so used to being so charismatic, you know, and they would jump on whatever they felt. It was all a lot of emotion and it led them astray a lot of ways so much astray yeah jim jones, that'll be coming up soon.
Speaker 1:Don't drink that Kool-Aid, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm going to drink this bourbon Can.
Speaker 1:I do that. Yes, I'm going to go ahead and take a sip of my beer, because I think you're fixing to drop shit a little bit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's going to happen quick in this one, Sorry guys Goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:So the driver the man of the couple asked her if she might have taken a quick detour to check out an ice cave that was in the area, and Colleen, not thinking she was in any position to say no she agreed, so we went to an ice cave one time. We went to a couple of them.
Speaker 3:The Sure Enough Ice Cave we went to in New Mexico. Remember that one.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so I had to use their little outhouse toilet when you go to pay your entry to go do the tour. It was an inactive volcano, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Bernadetta, Bernadetta. So, like out of the volcano, the lava flows made the tubes and all, and the tubes get so cold all year round that the water was frozen underneath there. That was really cold.
Speaker 1:Well, when I went to use the bathroom, the air that came up.
Speaker 3:Was cold.
Speaker 1:So I mean like I don't think I've ever felt anything that cold in my life On the hoo-ha. Yeah, it was like sitting on ice.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Completely to use the bathroom.
Speaker 4:People pay a lot of money for that stuff To go have their whole hoo-ha regenerate it.
Speaker 1:I know Maybe I need to do that more often.
Speaker 3:We're going back because I need to go and drop the old teabag over there on the cold air. I'll be sitting there singing Phil Collins the whole time. Y'all okay?
Speaker 1:So after a while of driving on the main highway, the man stops. He gets in the back seat with Colleen, pulls a knife on her and tells her to put her hands in the air. Then he handcuffs, gags and blindfolds her and there was this wooden box that had been sitting in the car with her the whole time and she thought nothing of it. And he puts this box on her head. What Huh? It was padded on the inside so she could not hear, and then they made her lay down. So you would think that the baby's in the back seat. But no, the woman of the couple. I'm about to introduce them here in a second. She was holding the baby in her lap in the front seat, because it was the 70s and you know, safety wasn't a thing. So real quick, uh, my other bestie, jojo, showed up.
Speaker 3:Say hey, hey, yes she's gonna join us for the rest of this is a slumber party, so I got my two besties here, yeah, and we're all breaking out moomoos later and I'm gonna serve drinks and we're gonna watch mean girls.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes absolutely it listen. In a perfect world that would be happening tonight, but unfortunately jojo has to be at work before the crack of dawn, and so do you I do have to work tomorrow yes so that's okay.
Speaker 3:Saint augustine's got me over here with the bourbon, they got me jojo, what are you drinking?
Speaker 1:I am drinking watermelon neutral. Hell yes, she's a seltzer girl like me. Hell yeah, yes, all right. So who were these people? So the man was 23-year-old Cameron Hooker, what? Yes their last name was Hooker, all right, and the girl was his wife, 19-year-old Janice Hooker. Janice and Cameron had met when she was 15 and he was 19. And she wasn't what you would call a looker.
Speaker 3:She wasn't a looker hooker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she had very low self-esteem, so perfect for being groomed by an older male who would love bomb her and make her feel special.
Speaker 3:That's awesome.
Speaker 4:So Cameron just puts a box over her head.
Speaker 1:Well, jan, yeah, janice is the wife Colleen. Colleen is our victim.
Speaker 3:So here comes the story of him teaching her these ways and her being okay.
Speaker 1:We're wrapping up our couples series, so this is. This is going to be the last part of our couple series for a while, cause there's many more to come in the future, but yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But we're going to move on to something else after this one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I want something. I mean this is going to be nasty.
Speaker 2:I know it.
Speaker 3:Goodness Lindsay.
Speaker 1:But it's only a one-parter, so at least I can tie it up in a bow for you in one part. I don't know if you want to call it a bow, but no, a hook or not. A hook or not. Wow. So cameron, he was a mill worker when they had met, and janice, she was still in school because she was only 15. Janice was the youngest of four kids and didn't get a lot of attention at home and she also had epilepsy, and her father, he he called her epilepsy, uh, possession by demons.
Speaker 3:Isn't that so old school Actually? Just to have that mentality and thought you know, so 70s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so typical for Batman Very, very 70s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody was just of the devil. It's the demon inside Devil.
Speaker 3:They made a lot of cool movies back then though. Yeah, they did they had some crazy ass beliefs like this shit was real.
Speaker 1:Fuck like Carrie the Exorcist.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's where I was at. Those are two of my favorite fucking movies, texas.
Speaker 1:Chainsaw.
Speaker 2:Massacre yeah, that's our son's favorite.
Speaker 1:He was literally dressed up as Leatherface this morning, and then he changed to Angus Young. That's like a daily thing for Silas, absolutely.
Speaker 3:He lives that life Like he is. He is the most animated and frustrating human being.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you love the creativity I love it and that, but at the same time, like it's like all right, Like earlier today he made me record him while he was doing his Angus Young thing in three different outfits I saw yours your yes, I was like yeah he's like all right, wait, wait, wait, let me go change again, and then he comes back out all right now record me oh, wait, wait, wait, I forgot to put on my new chucks. Record me again.
Speaker 3:Yes, I came home and he has his whole ass fort built and I want to get in there with him, but he smells like feet and fart so I'm like I'm not getting there. Bro, he's a young boy, he did, he's like I and fart, so I'm like I'm not getting that bro, he's a young boy, he did.
Speaker 1:He's like I only farted 30 times in there.
Speaker 3:He invited me like 30 times.
Speaker 1:Yes, come on, dad, come in the fort.
Speaker 3:Here's another one.
Speaker 1:All right. So Cameron, he came from a family that moved around a lot. He had a younger brother named Dexter. A Dexter Hooker I'm going to wrap him up in cellophane, cellophane. Yeah, and they didn't have a lot of friends because they never stayed in one place for very long. Other than that, there's no reports of real abuse in his home, so usually there is. Usually I give you this backstory of this horrific childhood With Cameron Hooker. There's not one, so I don't get to go to the typical thing that we've been going through.
Speaker 1:Wow, there's no salad, yeah.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the family would finally settle in Red Bluff, california, when Cameron was 16, and this is where they would remain In California. Left california when cameron was 16, and this is where they would remain in california. We're stuck on the righteous jim songs, songs. Yeah, so as he started to explore his sexual preferences, he found out that he liked the bdsm oh yes, so there's where it comes into play.
Speaker 3:He likes to play too much, the wrong way.
Speaker 1:Right, and I don't want to put a bag stigma on this Cause. There's a lot of people who enjoy this and as long as everyone involved.
Speaker 3:it's consenting as long as it's safe. Yeah, exactly, and.
Speaker 1:I heard the greatest quote this week. I don't want to put a yuck on anyone's yum, but you have to have. It's got to be enjoyed by both parties. It's got to be enjoyed by everybody involved.
Speaker 2:It's yum all around. I don't want to put a yuck on anyone's yum.
Speaker 1:Yes, I love that. I was like that's perfect yeah.
Speaker 3:I feel like I'm in a hen house here. This is wild you are no-transcript, and once you brought that out, there's the whole salad, right yeah.
Speaker 1:And these guys did not want consent and they like inflicting pain on unwilling participants, and that's where there's a difference. So when cameron would express his desire for bondage to janice, she says she's not that into it, for fuck's sake. She was only 15 when they got married. She didn't know what the hell was going on.
Speaker 4:She's like I'm sorry, what yeah?
Speaker 1:at 15, I wasn't long from playing with dolls, like I mean. But he would continue to bring it up and groom her into it and say that if she didn't like it, it's not going to work out. And Janice didn't want to lose him, so she let him begin carrying out his fantasies. Cameron would take her into the woods and hang her on trees by her wrist what, yeah, with homemade handcuffs, take pictures of this and he would whip her. And then he would even dunk her underwater, almost to the point of drowning. Wow, yeah, that's crazy. That's the first I've heard of that so far.
Speaker 3:Like drowning, like how does I mean honestly, how does that get you off the power? I mean, you're just. You know you got this you nailed it. Yeah, that's probably, it's all about the power, yeah, you got it over I can take your life at any moment, and I'm gonna go to it yeah, I'm gonna barf.
Speaker 1:Well, when the torture would be over, he would soothe her and pet her and be all loving. You know your typical bullshit that an abuser does.
Speaker 3:Well, that's the bring down after he got his rocks off, right.
Speaker 1:The false security. Yeah, they end up getting married and Janice starts to hate the bondage and the pain inflicting sex and she, she really wanted a baby. I mean that, really wanted a baby. And I mean that's young, that's what I'm saying, Like people in the seventies at like 15 and 16, they were already 30. It's insane to me. So Cameron decides to make a bargain. He says I'll give you a baby If you let me have a sex slave. He had been obsessed with these underground porno magazines that talked about this type of thing and he really wanted to have a sex slave for himself. And Janice agrees you heffed on high.
Speaker 3:Just bringing down all the demons, all the demons. That is horrible, though, but I think you know that probably wasn't Hugh Hefner. No Playboys, no, that was Hustler.
Speaker 1:No, these were like a whole different. This was an underground shit that you could not. This was not Playboy and Hustler status.
Speaker 3:This was they had underground back in the 70s.
Speaker 4:Way underground. Hard black web Right.
Speaker 1:That wasn't Larry Flint, exactly that had nothing to do with none of that. That was not Larry Flint, nor Hugh Hef had anything to do with this. Now, he did have all that in his collection.
Speaker 3:But, that wasn't good enough. That wasn't good enough for his ass.
Speaker 1:A lot of them were French type. It was next level and I'll get more into it here in a minute the whole S&M type shit, right.
Speaker 3:The whole dirt, dirt Goodness.
Speaker 1:But she did not want him to have penetrative sex with the slave. He could do whatever else he wanted, but he had to swear that he was not going to have penetrative sex with her. He could whip her, do all the bonded shit, whatever.
Speaker 3:No, burglary.
Speaker 1:Right, so they start the prowl oh buggery.
Speaker 3:That's what it is, buggery yeah.
Speaker 1:So they start Well, that's penetrative.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can't do.
Speaker 1:no, buggery, she did not want any of that. She said that he could whip her do the whole anything, all the other BDSM type things, without the sex, which is just like another human being that you just beat the shit out of. Right, exactly so. They start the prowl while Janice first is pregnant, and then they keep going on later after she has the baby.
Speaker 3:And then they find Colleen, and I don't even see a spot where she could have got out other than trying to win him over. You know, obviously she was infatuated with him.
Speaker 1:It's all she knew, like, I mean there was no spot where she could be.
Speaker 3:Like you know, I'm going to overcome this and get the hell out.
Speaker 1:Well, at that young and that being her first love. She didn't know any better. Yeah, and in the 70s and her dad Nobody talked about shit. Her dad thought better yeah, and in the 70s, and her dad nobody talks about demon. Right in the 70s she was the women.
Speaker 3:Women barely even knew how to go through their menstrual cycle in the 70s, you know I'm saying whether, long like you know, a woman didn't sit down and say this is what dudes do. This is your life, this is what you don't let happen and run from.
Speaker 1:At the same time, there were people who would say you're married, now you gotta do whatever the hell he wants to.
Speaker 3:You better shut up and get your ass back in the kitchen.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:That basically I mean that's so horrible.
Speaker 4:That's when women were just starting to feel empowered and come out about things Exactly.
Speaker 1:So it's a whole other I mean women were fighting for their rights to vote and work and shit like that, but they weren't. This part of it was not right, I mean I completely.
Speaker 3:I'm just elaborating on what I completely already understand. But the mentality was just horrible by the parents to just not teach your kids common ass human thing for for them to be around something pleasant in life. You know well their parents were probably raised up.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 3:That oppressed Exactly.
Speaker 4:You just went along. I'm sure they had even worse lives than what they taught their children 50s 60s, 40s, 50s, 60s.
Speaker 1:I'm glad we have broken that generational curse in this era. I don't think it'll ever come back either.
Speaker 3:I think that women period, and I'm proud of that too, because that was just horrible, you know, Cause I mean, I've always looked at everybody as equals, no matter who you are, what color, whatever, and just to have that equal playing field, for that reciprocating everything you know it's, it's always teamwork, and it's just that's just so horrible that they let the women just just exist and go along with it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, except whatever they they can, whatever came along with the husband.
Speaker 3:I probably think about the mid 80s.
Speaker 1:It was more like that, you know I want to say actually the mid 90s. Yeah, it may have been I mean, I mean honestly, when I'll give it a hard.
Speaker 3:A hard 89. We'll give it a hard. What's that when I?
Speaker 1:left my ex-husband the first time, unfortunately. I gave him a few chances.
Speaker 3:My grandmother in this was in early 2000s even was like well, you know like well, you're taking that southern perspective I'm talking about like um, nationally, as, uh, united states, you know, like a national group of of and she still had.
Speaker 1:I mean, I mean, she was what was, what was the, what was the twenties?
Speaker 3:Horrible for women, Well, I mean like she was born in that era, so that was pre boomers. So she had like hadn't been long wearing pants.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah, she had that really old school way of thinking and her husband unfortunately treated her really terribly and they just went along with it and you couldn't do anything because you'd have to hide bruises from then on.
Speaker 3:I guess that's so fucking horrible it is. I'm adding horrible on the horrible.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to shut up now because I'll just keep adding more. Yeah, because I've got like three pages to get through. I'm sorry, you're the rest of the story.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because there's four of us here and I'm over here, but I get stuck on thinking about how just horrific it really was, you know, and what women already had to go through to begin with.
Speaker 1:That's really sad, that on top.
Speaker 3:Of it is sad.
Speaker 1:Now he had already prepared the box and the basement for torture. I mean, he was ready. So they get Colleen home after first stopping for dinner, and Cameron takes Colleen down to the basement and hangs her from the ceiling by her wrist, strips her naked and begins to whip her and sexually assault her.
Speaker 3:Not penetrative but everything else Roping, touching, doing that nastiness, Son of a bitch.
Speaker 1:So she ends up blacking out from pain, from the whipping and the torture. This is the first night, okay, and when she wakes up or comes to, cameron and Janice are having sex underneath her. Oh my God, as she's dangling from the fucking ceiling.
Speaker 3:Lindsay, yeah, you ain't allowed to talk like that. We got company.
Speaker 1:They are not new to true crime at all. I promise you no.
Speaker 3:Women are so fucking hard on this stuff, like it puddles me so much, and y'all were just like, oh, this is rough, but I ain't nothing, I ain't fucking heard. I ain't never heard no shit like this Lindsay.
Speaker 1:So when they finish, cameron takes Colleen down from the ceiling and puts her in another box for her body, like a coffin. It down from the ceiling and puts her in another box for her body, like a coffin. It has shackles for her hands and her feet, places the head box back on as well and she begs and pleads like I can't breathe. So he puts something on her chest to make it even harder to breathe. Yeah, and he puts a bedpan in there so she can use the bathroom.
Speaker 3:In the box? I wouldn't. I would have done that shit all myself. I'd have been like I'm going to be the nastiest play tool you ever had, dude.
Speaker 1:I don't think he cared.
Speaker 3:We'll get into it Honestly, though Clearly yeah, he didn't care, he wouldn't have gave a damn he also puts a device in between her legs.
Speaker 1:That was meant to continuously shock her, but fortunately for colleen it was defective. The abuse and capture of colleen would continue for the next seven years I am going to she survived seven years, that's, oh, my gosh'm going to grab another bottle.
Speaker 3:Seven of them, lindsay.
Speaker 1:So most days she would be kept in the box until sometime after 8 pm. Then Cam Wynn would let her out, let her eat just a little bit, drink a glass of water and use the actual toilet instead of her bedpan, and it would be a few months before she was able to get a bath. A few months, whoa, after she's pissing and shitting in a bedpan in this coffin basically, and he's doing God knows what to her this whole time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm about to explain all of that. She would lose 22 pounds within her first month. Yeah, and there was one time and I don't know if you guys have experienced this but if you go through long periods without eating, like when you're in a breakup or a stressful situation, and you don't eat a lot, sometimes your bowels will just turn loose. Well, she was hanging from the ceiling and she felt that sensation coming on and she was gagged. But she started making a lot of noise to try to get Cameron's attention and, instead of just letting her go to the bathroom, he whipped her into unconsciousness.
Speaker 3:Did it turn loose then? Probably Hopefully they were underneath her.
Speaker 2:It had to have. I mean it has to Right Right.
Speaker 1:How could it not? Underneath, it had to have. I mean, it has to right right, how could it not? And there was a torture rack that cameron had also built and he would strap her to it while he would build this motherfucker, he would, he would build more shit, so she just had to lay there naked while he was building shit in this basement, okay, and then he would abuse her when he felt like it, so excited the whole time so happy, just to be building shit there.
Speaker 3:You had to watch him build, yeah yeah, and he's over here all grinning fucking. I'm gonna do my shit and I'm gonna fuck you up, right oh man that's where my mind goes too I'm like, I'm like in my fucking living room there's this dude and I'm tied up over here it was actually more in his fucking whitey tighties of like right here, yeah, but that all this was going on that's
Speaker 2:what gets me?
Speaker 4:him do this will mess with you more than anything. You have to get inside your own mind you.
Speaker 1:You know, who knows what she's already endured, which I'm sure you're going to be into.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm about it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, proceed. So, he built a work room just under the stairs and finally gave her a nightgown to wear, and her first project in the work room was to shell walnuts. And then he would have her crochet and macrame things and he and Janice would go sell this shit at a flea market. Wow, like all her items that she made yeah.
Speaker 4:Puts a whole other meaning to child labor laws.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:Seriously.
Speaker 1:And when she wasn't working, she was being tortured, sexually abused. He would stretch her, burn her all, while she was being gagged and blindfolded. Oh, man Stretching her. That's like medieval shit yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, it's beyond that. Eventually, that comes to an end within like a couple of days, a week at the most. This is years.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we're going to go through the whole timeline.
Speaker 1:So about eight months into Colleen's capture, cameron had this idea that he had gotten from one of his underground magazines and it was a slavery contract.
Speaker 1:He rents a typewriter and has Janice type it up. He goes down to the basement to have Colleen sign it and this contract would say that she is no longer Colleen, her name is now Kay and she belonged to him. She would call him sir or master and Janice would be ma'am, that she would never cross her legs, she would not wear underwear and she had to kneel to ask any question and she had to wear a collar and pretty much anything else he wanted. He tells her that she must sign this contract to keep her safe from the company and tells her that the company is an underground organization that is basically what we know as human trafficking, that they trade females for lifelong slaves, and that he had been brought up in this company and his father and brother were also members. He told her that if she ever tried to escape the company, they would find her and if she told her family, her family would be killed.
Speaker 3:I am sitting here looking around at the faces right now Because there's three of us now looking at Lindsay. I'm just blown away I know I'm speechless.
Speaker 4:We're horrified. My jaw is on the floor right now.
Speaker 3:Lindsay gets mad when I don't chime in. No, no, no, I swear to God.
Speaker 1:I want y'all yeah, because this is going to keep going. So Cameron tells her that Janice is also his slave and when she had tried to escape, she told the police and the police were also a part of the company. I mean basically I mean.
Speaker 1:And end up torturing her before Cameron saved her, but her knee was permanently messed up and it just so happened that Janice wore a knee brace from a different issue. So terrified, out of her fucking mind, colleen signs this contract as Kay and Cameron and Janice sign it as Michael and Janet Powers that's their aliases.
Speaker 3:Not hookers, but Powers. So, they're hookers with power.
Speaker 1:Hookers with power. Well, Cameron's middle name was Michael, so that's why he used that, and Powers was of course the obvious Mike Powers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we love Austin Powers.
Speaker 1:So he even made this guy is extra as fuck. He did the whole contract in stenciled letters and he made her an ID card that was like laminated and everything looks like a fucking legally binding. He made a seal and everything like he went above and beyond to brainwash colleen cindy, we're going to get this notarized, or what?
Speaker 1:so I mean, look it all. It all seemed very legit and very terrifying to Colleen. So Camward would also make her do drills, per the contract, and when he would say attention, she had a certain amount of time to become completely naked and be in whatever position he wanted her to be in. Yeah, wow, wow. And the contract now, now that she signed the contract, this would allow Colleen to become a maid and a babysitter for the couple. She would cook and clean for them, watch the kids from time to time, and she would be allowed to work in the garden as well. So I mean, of course this is better than sleeping in a box, so she's all for it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you'd take that over that any day. Yeah, I'm kind of being quiet. I'm wanting to see if they'll chime in, because I don't really, I'm speechless, I'm just so into it, Like I'm just.
Speaker 4:Yeah Well.
Speaker 1:Janice.
Speaker 3:I'm speechless yeah.
Speaker 1:So, janice, she starts seriously doubting that her husband is living up to his part of the deal, which is no penetrative sex with Colleen. So she decided to test him. She said go get Colleen and we'll all have a threesome. So he went and got Colleen, brought her to the couple's bedroom, he starts kissing and touching them both and then he began intercourse with Collen first. Uh-oh, this made janice sick as fuck, and colleen would actually later on say that she could hear janice like vomiting while she was being raped.
Speaker 4:oh my gosh, yeah well, colleen, okay for everything else, right, right, it was okay for him to beat her and do whatever he wanted with her and keep her in a box.
Speaker 1:But sex, for the love of god? Well, that was crossing the line what's crazy to me is that she would actually believe that he wouldn't penetrate right you know you're doing all these other horrific things.
Speaker 3:But see, that was the sacred thing that she had gave him, y'all got to understand.
Speaker 1:Janice is actually younger than Colleen at this time. She's like a year younger than Colleen.
Speaker 4:Oh shit, I didn't even think of it that way.
Speaker 1:But I mean it makes sense. Honestly, all she knew about being in a relationship was what this guy, cameron, brought to the table.
Speaker 3:That's it. So she had gave, like I said, that sacredness to him and only him. It was supposed to be something special.
Speaker 4:Between the two of them.
Speaker 3:And how special fucking was it. Yeah, goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:Well, most of the time after the contract was signed, she was able to stay in the work room instead of the box.
Speaker 3:And that's all she really had to hang on to was what she gave him. Like you know, the virginity, like her life and livelihood and everything. And I would have ran a long time ago. You know, I would have got out as soon as I could.
Speaker 1:But she didn't, she didn't know any better.
Speaker 4:She didn't know any better. That was her whole life.
Speaker 3:He had groomed her for this life.
Speaker 1:I see the whole picture, but God, what a fucking shitty picture yeah he literally groomed a child, and not that he was much older, I mean, he was 19,. And that's still. That's fucking crazy for a 19-year-old to be thinking this way.
Speaker 3:Right, but he was in his 20s at this time. My thought process is just like yes, that is a very special thing to give somebody your virginity and all, but she should have been told that that's what dudes want and that's all they want anyhow.
Speaker 1:Well, and what I forgot to put in my notes was Cameron told Janice that his previous girlfriends agreed to all this, so she felt like she had to.
Speaker 4:She had to, exactly To keep him Right. She had to. She had to Exactly To keep him Right.
Speaker 1:So after you know, like I said, after she had signed the contract she was able to stay in the workroom instead of the box. But there was a time period where no one came down to let her out or feed her for about three days and during these three days she heard a lot of noise coming from upstairs. Then all of a sudden, cameron comes down, puts the head box back on her and takes her outside to the car and makes her lay down in Janice's lap while they drive. They were moving to a new home, a single wide, in a more secluded neighborhood, because this place he was buying, like you know and know, in the previous house they were renting and the landlords could drop in any time and just bust up his whole ordeal he had going on Definitely.
Speaker 1:Well, in this house he had a custom built waterbed that sat on top of a box with a small entryway. This was her new spot to be kept.
Speaker 4:Under their bed.
Speaker 1:Under their water bed.
Speaker 4:Yeah, my mom actually had one of those water beds with the doors that would open my parents had one too. And it was storage. That's where Christmas presents were. Oh my god, I think that's where my parents, like we weren't going to know where they. Well, cameron and.
Speaker 1:Janice were storing a human.
Speaker 3:A human Christmas present? Yes, right.
Speaker 1:For the rest of the year God. Jeez, that's horrible. So, colleen, she continues to abide by the contract and Cameron lets her have more and more freedoms. So we're about three years into her capture now. Cameron and Janice have another child. They've got two girls. They're both girls, and he convinces Janice to have a home birth on the waterbed that Colleen is underneath.
Speaker 4:Locked in. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So Cameron would allow Colleen to work in the garden. She's still doing chores in the house taking care of the kids, because Janice had to go get a job. But this was a night job, so cameron was still at home and he uses this time after the kids are asleep, of course to rape and sodomize colleen oh, it's free range now he can do whatever she.
Speaker 1:Yes, because janice she's working at like a little um, like a little ice cream place, like a Tasty Freeze type place it wasn't called that, but it was like that. Yeah, so he even allows her to go jogging, but he's following close behind in the car and she's now allowed to sleep in the bathroom instead of the box, but she's chained to the toilet. One time she was seen in this position by the older girl and was beaten for not locking the door. Yeah, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:So you know how a single wife is set up and you know how the back bathroom is usually at the other end, like the master bathroom's, in that one bedroom on one end and then the other bathroom's on the other end.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's where his girls' rooms were, so they were probably just going to go pee and because Colleen didn't lock the door, she got beat.
Speaker 3:Three of us are puddled over here at this moment. We just are in shock of the sheer horror.
Speaker 1:Shock is not the word. If you guys can see my face my jaw is little.
Speaker 4:I know they're all looking at me like jaw's just dropped.
Speaker 3:Y'all have both listened to us, but now just being in this, I love it, though I feel like I'm telling a terrifying I feel like a teacher telling the story in class. We feel like we're underneath of a waterbed right now.
Speaker 4:Lindsay, Thank you Maybe not that bad, but yeah pretty close.
Speaker 1:So now this part this blew my mind a little bit. So Janice and Colleen were actually permitted to go to a bar, go out dancing one night and have drinks, and they hung out with two other guys. Apparently, Cameron was allowing Janice to see other people. This was, like I said, this was three years into the capture. Janice wanted Cameron to be as jealous as she was about Colleen, but he just he really didn't care, and in the audio book that I listened to it's called the Perfect Victim. Janice slept with this other guy, but Colleen did not sleep with her little dude that she got paired off with because she was terrified about the company and that whole situation and because cameron was constantly plugging that in her ear. He had now told her that phone lines were tapped, there were surveillance cameras watching and there were members of the company that lived in their new neighborhood. So she just she thought that everybody was part of this shit oh my gosh this poor girl
Speaker 4:the fear, the amount of the propaganda that was just poured on you in the 70s the
Speaker 3:fear that she was living in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no hope at all.
Speaker 3:None, this is my life and I mean honestly.
Speaker 1:Okay, so at 20 years old I had already had two children, but I still would have believed that I would have still if I had been kidnapped at 20 years old. I had already had two children, but I still would have believed that I would have still if I had been kidnapped at 20 years old. Even going through most of school. I made it to 11th grade and then I got my ged. I went through most of school, I had two children and I would have still believed that if somebody kidnapped me at 20 years old, yeah, I would, I would 100 believe it, it wouldn't take.
Speaker 4:Still so young and naive at that age.
Speaker 3:Especially after they beat you, torture you sexually, assault you, deprive you of food, water and then confine you and I can even see that at the shoe being on the other foot, like if there was a chick that controlling over me, where I felt like you know she was my world and I had no way to get out of it and that was just life.
Speaker 1:I would be able to believe you Go along with it.
Speaker 3:People I know, but we won't say their names on the pot, the tea. That will happen afterwards.
Speaker 1:Right. So he would also tell her that the treatment that he was giving her, like the bondage, the whipping, the torture this wasn't his idea, this was orders from the company. He would also pierce her labia as an another form of identification for the company. So not only does she have to wear a collar, now she's got she's been tagged she's been tagged right. So during what? During what go ahead?
Speaker 4:the whole thing of like and handmaid's tale where they do their ear.
Speaker 1:Yes, a whole yes that is exactly what I thought about. Yeah, so during the year of what she calls her year out, colleen convinced karen to let her write letters to her family. He said he had to get it approved by the company first, but she does lean in. Yeah, the company, the company, because it's bullshit. That's why. So, yeah, but she does start sending out letters, but she's very careful about what she says, but, cameron, because cameron, he's reading them before he sends them out, of course, and she tells her family that she is staying with a family up north as their nanny.
Speaker 4:Did he actually send them out? Oh, yeah, he did, he did, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Because he monitored what she said first.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 1:So she also said that she was learning to garden and how to can fruit and she sends recipes. Then Cameron allows Colleen to call her family, yeah, and then he agrees to let her visit her family and she's just that brainwashed where she won't spill the beans exactly right, I'm gonna get into that, but they had to stop at the company headquarters first and before the family visit, janice and Colleen. They were fighting all the time as two. I mean, these are young women in their 20s Teenage girls.
Speaker 1:Pretty much. Yeah, they're still teenage mindset completely. And one would complain about the other to Cameron and this pissed him off and he had had enough. He took them both out to the woods to punish them. He made Janice quit her job so that Colleen would no longer have to care for the children. And I guess that was one thing that the children the women were arguing about was the children, because Colleen got very close to these kids and then Janice wouldn't be there at night. Colleen was taking care of him at night, she was doing their nighttime routine so, and Janice would have her days off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a connection, she would do something different.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure. Well, what did he do for a living? He was a mill worker. Oh, okay, yeah, he had done that since like early on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's what he was doing when he met Janice, when he was 19 and she was 15. And now they're in their 20s both of them.
Speaker 4:This is Zay. Can you imagine working with somebody and not even knowing?
Speaker 1:Not even knowing how is this going on At all. There you go.
Speaker 3:There you go and it does happen.
Speaker 1:It does. All the time and, honestly, he looks like a version of Jeffrey Dahmer, like he's got the glass, he's got that whole 70s. Look, yeah, that 70s psycho serial killer vibe yes exactly.
Speaker 1:Unbeknownst to Colleen. Her visit to her family would be the last bit of freedom that she would have for a while. Cameron told Colleen that she would need to pass some obedience tests. I did quotations before he could get permission from the company. One of these tests would be to put her mouth around the barrel of a gun and pull the trigger. No way. And it was not loaded, but imagine the I mean.
Speaker 4:The horror, the horror, the horror. Like what if it was loaded Exactly and you're gone? You're?
Speaker 1:completely In her horror, Like what if it was loaded Exactly and you're gone? She's thinking in her head.
Speaker 4:Like what if it's loaded? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1:So Colleen gathers a few things to take with her and, by the way, the company headquarters was just some office building that Cameron made her think was real. And on the way to visit her family, she made sure or he made sure that she got her story straight that Cameron was her boyfriend, mike Powers, and they were engaged and he was going to do some computer training in San Diego while she had her visit and they were moving so she couldn't give them an address just yet. So she gets to her family house and they're catching up and she's keeping her story and her family just honestly believes that she's in some kind of cult because they were everywhere at the time. Everywhere that was Jim Jones. That was so many cults.
Speaker 3:It seems like that is like the staple of the 70s.
Speaker 1:Staple Serial killers and cults 100% yes. But they noticed that she was pale and looked underweight and just broken down and around 24 hours later she was supposed to be able to stay for two days. Mike called and said it's time to go 20, 20, 24 hours to go.
Speaker 3:I want a piece of data. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm glad that they're chiming in now.
Speaker 3:Because I can drink more Right.
Speaker 1:But, Colleen, she did what she was told. She's an absolute. I mean, I cannot explain how she was completely brainwashed that this company was real.
Speaker 3:She had it out too.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And she just was like okay, time to go home, Yep.
Speaker 1:She feared that the company was going to kill her family because of what Cameron. Yeah.
Speaker 4:And.
Speaker 1:I'm sure like I'm keeping this as lighthearted as I can, but he was probably constantly plugging this into her ear every single day.
Speaker 3:Oh, I guarantee More than more than.
Speaker 1:Absolutely so. Mike aka Cameron. He was introduced to the family. They insisted on taking a picture of him and Colleen together and that picture is out there on the internet and we're going to post that in our stories and they look just like a happy couple. Oh, I can't wait to see this. Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 3:That's what really gets me whenever she starts plugging in all the other bullshit and then you've got a face with it, and sometimes she does that in the middle of the podcast do you want to see it?
Speaker 1:oh, yeah, okay hold on okay let's pull this up for my audience, my in-home audience, real quick yeah, I think.
Speaker 3:Before this is all over with, though, lindsey, this is just going to be girl talk and I can just hang out and drink there's cameron and there's colleen.
Speaker 1:That's the picture that they took. Oh, look at this dude. In her family home yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, he's so, Jeffrey Look how she's smiling.
Speaker 1:He does look like Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 3:I told you.
Speaker 1:Yes, and what's wild is, in our last case, with the Ken and Barbie, they used Halcyon, and that's also what Jeffrey Dahmer used.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we're going to cover that at a later date.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I remember him putting the rag over there, mm-hmm, yeah.
Speaker 1:They leave Colleen's family and when they got home she was placed back in the box, but not before Cameron raping her first. Oh God, Of course. So this was 1981.
Speaker 3:There was some buggery going on now.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, Of course. So this was 1981. There was some buggery going on now. Like I said, this was 1981. And other than to eat, occasionally bathe and use the bathroom, she was not let out of the box again until 1984.
Speaker 3:What Lindsay 1984.
Speaker 4:In this box again. Imagine how much she probably shrunk.
Speaker 1:In your head. You're just in your head, Because she's literally in a box padded and she only gets let out to eat. Oh my God, I had to take so many deep breaths while writing this, just thinking about the confinement of that. That's worse than prison, that's worse than jail, Just okay, so New Year's Eve, 1980.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to think of what music video had the dude in the box I know I was trying to think of that as well yeah, I think it was. I remember that I wonder if that was a reference to that, because I think it was a tool back in the 90s right yeah, yeah I.
Speaker 3:I can picture what you're saying, but I can't place exactly the artist that it was in yeah there's some dna right there, for that came back full circle Like she had had something to do with it, like I'm literally picturing the music video, but I don't know who it belonged to.
Speaker 1:So New Year's Eve 1983 was Colleen's birthday, her 27th birthday. She got captured when she was 20 and it had never been celebrated during her capture. So when the hookers got her out of the box that night and saying happy birthday to her and gave her a cake, she was quite shocked.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine actually having appreciation after getting out of a box and somebody saying and I didn't put this in my notes, but there was a point in this where she would she actually told Cameron that she loved him and all like she had complete stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100 and she genuinely felt that that's because that's all she knew because and it wasn't like a love, like, oh my god, I love you it was, I love you, thank you for getting. Let me out of this fucking box, you you know. So, kay, which was Colleen, was reintroduced to the girls, their kids, to the neighbors, and now she was allowed to sleep in the living room in her sleeping bag that she had packed to take on her trip with her seven years prior. At this time, janice and Colleen, they actually became friends, mostly reading and talking about the Bible together.
Speaker 4:Get out of here.
Speaker 1:Swear.
Speaker 4:Really yeah.
Speaker 1:So they found out how much they had in common like getting married and dropping out of school at a very young age and for some reason, seven years later, the guilt of having Colleen as a slave. It caught up with Janice Like she had been disassociating this whole fucking time and now that she is like uh, 26 years old.
Speaker 3:Oh, this is messed up.
Speaker 1:Right Wow.
Speaker 3:There's your turning point, I like to look for. I like to look for that.
Speaker 1:There's I'm getting excited, right, yeah, yeah, here we go Getting to a good part, yeah.
Speaker 1:So Cameron made sure Colleen put on some weight and started looking presentable, because he wanted her to get a job and contribute to the family. He told her that it was to pay the company fees and he eventually wanted to marry her like, take her on as a second wife and get her her own trailer on their property. So Janice took Colleen out job hunting and figured a motel maid would be the best fit for her. They stopped in at the King's Lodge. Colleen asked if they were hiring and she was hired on the spot by Doris Myron. And in June of 1984, kay asked if she could go to church and she was permitted to go on the church bus with the girls. Then after that Janice started going with them as well. So, cameron, he used this to his advantage because in the Old Testament Abraham and Sarah could not have children. So Sarah permitted Abraham to marry and sleep with their slave Hagar.
Speaker 3:Enter the handmaid's tale.
Speaker 1:Handmaid's tale exactly. And you know what did I tell you? Just like in the handmaid's tale, where they have them lay sit on top of the wife that is exactly what Hagar did with or Hager, I don't know. It's spelled H-A-G-E-R. That's what Hagar did with Sarah. She sat on Sarah's lap while she gave birth to Abraham's baby. Yeah, so he made it seem like their whole arrangement was biblical and quite. You know, in the eyes of the Lord, this was the Lord's work.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, he had to spin it that way, exactly, of course.
Speaker 1:So, janice, she decides to talk to the pastor about this, but under vague terms. But Janice soon realized that Cameron was using the Bible to his own advantage. Now Cameron tells her that he wants more slaves and this made Janice physically ill and she did not know what to do, because she was guilty as well, because she had went along with Colleen's slavery for seven years.
Speaker 1:And she didn't want to lose her kids. So she tells Cameron I can't do this anymore, please kill me, because she knew that he was capable, but he wouldn't go through with it. One day, in August 1984, she decides just to pop in in Colleen's job and tell her it's all a lie, the company is bullshit, the contract is bullshit. She finally spilled the beans. The company is bullshit, the contract is bullshit.
Speaker 3:What yeah? She finally spilled the beans and Colleen is absolutely shocked.
Speaker 1:Yes, she's shocked and angry and she cried. Janice cried and apologized. Then they both decide to go to the pastor and tell him a lot, but not quite everything, because this is still a pastor.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't have went to a pastor, I'd have went to a police station, police right.
Speaker 1:Seriously Straight to the police station.
Speaker 3:Well, right now she's hung on the religion part of it to try to rewrite.
Speaker 1:They're still both very afraid of Cameron.
Speaker 3:She's leaning on that for her righteousness or for her redemption? She's leaning on that, you know.
Speaker 1:So the pastor's like y'all gotta leave, y'all need to go, it's too much. He said, you know, y'all gotta go, Y'all gotta go right now. But they knew Cameron was about to be home soon, because it was getting close to four o'clock that was his quitting time. So they waited until the next morning. Cameron left for work, the girls went to Bible school and they started packing. They picked up the girls and they went to Janice's parents' house. Now Janice wanted the two of them to get a place together, but Colleen was like girl, I got to go home, I got to go, I got to go home.
Speaker 1:So she still wanted to keep a friendship over a slave that they've had for seven years, colleen called her father to wire her the money for a bus ticket, and she set out for Southern California. She did call Cameron, though, and she said she told him she's like I know you're a liar and I'm leaving. I'm gone, and this fucker actually fucking broke down and cried on the phone. He lost his power.
Speaker 3:You gotta be kidding me, no, he lost his power.
Speaker 4:You gotta be kidding me. No, he lost his power.
Speaker 3:Well, he knew he was going to jail.
Speaker 4:I was about to say he lost control. He didn't know what to do, not only of his wife, of the one, the girl he kidnapped, but of his wife and his children, everything he lost his power.
Speaker 1:Everything fell apart at once. Yeah, and she actually stayed in touch with both Cameron and Jana several times, and they begged her not to go to the police for the sake of the children, and colleen promised that she wouldn't. She loved those kids and didn't want to jeopardize their well-being. Well, janice, she brings you back up and then she'll bring you back down. She was like, well, maybe I can fix him, and she went back. What now? He promised her he would change and he would stop all the bondage. He even started going to church, and they got counseling from the pastor. The changes in Cameron didn't last long, though, and then Janice encouraged him to okay, let's burn, let's burn everything. Let's burn the pornos, let's burn the bondage equipment, the pictures that you have, the slavery contract. She was wanting to do a cleanse. Yes, but there was still a copy have the slavery contract.
Speaker 1:She's wanting to do a cleanse? Yes, but there was still a copy of that slavery contract. Remember that? So k powers she. That's who colleen had become. She struggled to regain her identity as colleen stan, but she stayed with her father and became a maid at a hospital. Her she had. She told her family everything and they begged her to go to the police. But she wanted to just forget about it and move on. But she was still writing letters to Cameron and Janice, like they had that much of a hold on her.
Speaker 4:I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 1:Stockholm, stockholm, 110%.
Speaker 3:That was her entire life, no other way of life. Yeah, seven years is a long-ass time, seven years.
Speaker 1:That's a long time, that's a long relationship, that's a long everything. So Janice was continuously struggling with her reunification with Cameron and finally finally left him for good. Janice goes for a doctor appointment and ends up befriending a lady that worked in the office named Connie. She tells this woman like she was just trying to find somebody to spill all this too. She wasn't comfortable telling her parents about it, cause they didn't really like her that much. Anyway, she was carrying the weight, you know. So she tells this woman the truth about Colleen or in Cameron, and how terrified of Cameron that she was. So Connie encouraged her to go to the police and Janice was hesitant at first. And then Connie says well, what if he does something to your girls? And it was like something just broke through at that moment. If anybody had said that to her beforehand, this probably would have been over a lot sooner. But nobody did, because they didn't know.
Speaker 4:I was wondering the whole time like how could she not be concerned for her children?
Speaker 3:Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1:So she goes back to the pastor and tells him the whole truth this time, and the pastor calls the police. Now Cameron, he was arrested and Janice was granted full immunity for her testimony. Cameron's attorney tried to argue that Janice and Colleen both had willingly participated in this threesome and it was just a BDSM lifestyle. So she walked. Yeah, she does. Yeah, she does. And not a capture of an innocent woman who had been held captive for seven fucking years in a box pretty much under their bed for most of it. Now the media they went absolutely wild over this shit. The prosecution actually presented the boxes and I have pictures of those and the contract. So, cameron, like ian brady, he had created a dark room and was taking pictures and developing them himself, so he didn't have to send them off because, you know, back in the day we had to send our film off to get developed.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, so they found a negative of the contract. He had actually took a picture of it, so that's how that was brought into the equation. Yeah, good. Then Janice throws another spoke into the wheel Murder. Before they had kidnapped Colleen, on January 31st 1976, cameron had kidnapped a 19-year-old named Marie Elizabeth Spinhockey from Chico, california. Cameron had tortured her for 24 hours, then shot her with a pellet gun, strangled her A fucking pellet gun, lindsay.
Speaker 2:A pellet gun.
Speaker 1:Well, he shot her in the stomach with that. Then he strangled her, wrapped her body in blankets and they buried her. Him and Janice buried her near Lawson Volcanic National Park.
Speaker 4:And she's walked still.
Speaker 1:No remains were found, but Colleen knew that this was true because that girl's picture was in her box the whole seven years and she had been missing too.
Speaker 3:I guarantee it. Yeah, Wow, and still walked right.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Still walked. Still walked because unfortunately her remains were never found, so they never could charge him with actual murder, just for the bondage, the rape and the capture.
Speaker 4:She's pissed over you, cindy's pissed like I am. No wonder why this girl was terrified Beyond terrified for seven years, she looked at a picture of a girl who she knew had been murdered by this man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, had her locked in right then.
Speaker 1:right, oh my gosh Well, a forensic psychologist and criminal profiler named Chris Hatcher testified step by step of how someone can break another human into complete slavery and how a person would develop Stockholm Syndrome. And after Janice and Colleen both testified against Cameron, he was sentenced to 104 consecutive years for kidnapping, sexual assault using a knife and imprisonment. Now he was eligible for an elderly parole program, but he was released on parole to the Department of State Hospitals in 2021. So he's still imprisoned, but it's like an elderly. Long security, yeah A mental institution or something.
Speaker 1:Now, unfortunately, colleen had a string of failed marriages and one troubled child who spent time in jail. But she does do volunteer work for the Reading Women's Refuge Center, which helps abused women, and she actually she got her degree in accounting as well. I forgot to put that in my notes, but I remember that. Yeah, janice, she became a social worker and has worked as a mental health professional. I don't know how I feel about Janice Interesting. I don't know how. I know she was a child as well, but it's wild. It's wild. Well, she played her role in it. She should have seen some sort of consequence. I agree that was that. Yeah, she changed her name and everything. Y'all are like me.
Speaker 3:You're like dude, you got to spend time you got to give back to society. You do not belong in it, you know Right.
Speaker 1:Well, my thing is too did their kids ever find out about this. You know, and I, I I couldn't find anything on that and the judge, actually, he would call Cameron one of the worst psychopaths that he had ever tried.
Speaker 1:Well, I imagine Period I'm just thinking about the lawyer that defended him, right, and he was like. I listened to the audio book. It's called the Perfect Victim and it was written by the prosecution that was, you know, stood in for Janice and Colleen at that time. It was written by her and another woman named Carla Norton and it gives a lot more, a lot more information about the trial which is it was. It was quite long, it was and it was. I mean, cameron's defense attorney was hard up. He was trying so hard to get to make these girls have a bad reputation, but I'm glad that the jury and the judge didn't see it that way. So there is a movie called Girl in the Box on Prime and then, like I said, the audio book, the Perfect Victim. And then there's another book I do not know the name of it, I forgot to look it up but it's written by Colleen Stan and it goes into her whole experience.
Speaker 3:So I imagine that's what we're going to watch here in a little bit, yep.
Speaker 1:So, is that the whole story.
Speaker 3:That's the whole story, oh my goodness, lindsay, this was rough. What a rollercoaster ride, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you it's so much.
Speaker 3:It's so much. That was a lot to take in. I'm just going to slip one in right here, because you've puddled three, and thank you for joining us everybody.
Speaker 4:Absolutely, it was fun. I'd like to say it was fun, but it was horrifying.
Speaker 3:It's not horribly fun, isn't it? Yeah, welcome to my world.
Speaker 2:Yes, Thank you for the story you know. Most of our listeners are in.
Speaker 3:California. They are. Yeah, that's our biggest following. So thank you, california, we love you.
Speaker 1:So if you're in the Red Bluff area, that one's for you guys. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I want to play music.
Speaker 1:What band are we plugging today, dot?
Speaker 3:Moccasin.
Speaker 1:Dot Moccasin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Check them out. I have a buddy that I go to powwows with Cody. Okay and really cool.
Speaker 1:Cat Always has this really Is it spelled that way or did you just spell Cody wrong?
Speaker 3:It's spelled that way, or did you just?
Speaker 2:spell Cody wrong.
Speaker 3:That's it oh okay, he always wears his top hat. Really cool cat, it's spelled like code Plays the shit out of the guitar, oh man. So he finally got his band together and they came to Olustee and they won first place here Awesome.
Speaker 2:For our little festival this year in the Battle of the Bands.
Speaker 1:Nice, I want to plug them the first Olussi that we haven't been to. We didn't go to.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's kind of the same cliche for us, but live in Lake City.
Speaker 4:I didn't go this year either, because the last few years has just been wah-wah.
Speaker 1:So yeah, we don't really need to play reenactment anymore. I've been once.
Speaker 3:History is cool, but like reenactment part, all that is just eh.
Speaker 1:The food trucks are the highlight they are.
Speaker 3:That's what we go for now. Yeah, you know you're old when you go straight to food trucks and I always go to the Mexico, china and get birria tacos.
Speaker 4:And you have to take your kid once. Oh yeah, all of my boys have been multiple times.
Speaker 3:You always have to get the fresh squeezed lemonade.
Speaker 1:Yes, back in the day they used to have that homemade root beer and that was my spot.
Speaker 4:I don't know about anybody.
Speaker 1:I've got some kick-ass homemade burrito tacos that I made a couple weeks ago, but I don't think anybody can top, because the person who makes it Uh-oh, uh-oh Challenge.
Speaker 2:Are we going to have?
Speaker 3:a burrito taco, we might we just did some not long ago and the Lindsays were fire. But I think Cindy she does it with like Cindy can rock some food too now.
Speaker 4:No, it's not me that does them, it's Vicky does them.
Speaker 1:Oh, vicky does them Okay. Oh, I know Vicky can cook. Oh yeah, I'll eat the hell out of them, and it's with a brisket.
Speaker 4:She does it with a beef brisket.
Speaker 1:We love brisket tacos. Oh my God.
Speaker 3:It is so good, lindsay DocMoccasinothinsite.
Speaker 1:Follow us on Instagram. I want to play some Doc Moccasin.
Speaker 3:These guys are on fire. They got some new music out, and so I'm going to fire this thing off. This song is called Bones.
Speaker 2:So check this stuff out. I've been running For a long time coming. What have I got to lose? I'm going to send it. It's all or nothing. Come on and make a move. No, don't waste my time. No, I got an arm on the line. Take me down. I can't be alone. I got fire in my bones, reaching my soul All the way it's gone. I got fire in my bones. I've been searching To get this hurting. I got a need of a different kind. The way you're moving, there's no fooling. What you have is hard to find. No, don't waste my time. No, I got it all on the line. Take me down. I can't be loved. I got fire in my bones, reaching my soul All the way to stone. I got fire in my bones. Electric guitar solo.
Speaker 3:What do y'all think about that? Wasn't?
Speaker 4:that hot. I like it yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like I was saying you guys know I love Jimi Hendrix and it's giving off Jimi Hendrix vibes for me.
Speaker 4:With a little bit of Lenny in there. Yeah, with some Lenny Kravitz. Yes, absolutely I agree.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it was like it had that old school Southern rock vibe, but it was new.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a new feeling to an old school, but it would have still passed the Woodstock vibe. 110%, 110%, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:And it fit the whole persona of everything. So, cody, amazing. Thank you guys.
Speaker 1:Yes, Thank you. Band Excited to share you guys. When the pod comes out I'll see you at a powwow sometime, bro, we're going to hang out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and keep making music. I can't wait. I've listened to a little bit of some of your new stuff. I know this is the one you wanted to plug on this one and we're going to hit you guys up next season for another song.
Speaker 1:We're going to play you some more. So awesome stuff. Lindsey, you puddled us. You puddled three. Yeah, it was kind of crazy looking at three faces going with the jaw face.
Speaker 3:Yeah and we all have the same reaction. Yeah, that was really cool. We're human. I've never been so speechless in my life.
Speaker 1:That one was rough and I'm going to move on to something else. Next week I'm done with couples.
Speaker 3:Done with couples. Thank you, I think I'm not sure she's like no, the next one's worse. The next one's way worse fucker. No, I'm actually going to be on to Rockville soon too. I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1:Yes, we got less than a month and we're waiting on our tickets. They're shipped now. Yeah, they're coming in the mail.
Speaker 3:So if you're going to Rockville in Florida, come check us out. We'll be at the. We'll be in on the mic. It's our 10-year anniversary for Rockville.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we'll have our podcast flag as well.
Speaker 3:We're ready, we're ready and thank you, cindy, thank you, jojo.
Speaker 4:Yeah, of course my pleasure.
Speaker 3:I guess. Thank you, Lindsay, I guess, for cuddling us over here so much.
Speaker 1:And thank you, Doc Moccasin. That was a cool-ass song.
Speaker 3:Cool band Doc Moccasin. That was a cool ass song. Cool band, cool stuff. We'll see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 2:Tune in yes, bye, bye.
