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EPISODE 30: The Tragic Life of Marvin Gaye
The voice behind "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" and "Sexual Healing" resonated with millions, but behind that soulful sound was a man trapped in a cycle of trauma, addiction, and turmoil. Marvin Gaye's journey from child prodigy to Motown superstar ended tragically at the hands of his own father—a devastating conclusion to a life marked by both extraordinary success and profound suffering.
Born to a strict Pentecostal preacher father who regularly beat him and a nurturing mother who worked as a domestic, young Marvin found refuge in music from age four. His remarkable talent eventually carried him to Motown Records, where he climbed from session drummer to becoming one of the label's brightest stars. His marriage to Berry Gordy's sister Anna—17 years his senior—helped cement his place in the Motown family, but couldn't shield him from his inner demons.
As his career soared with hits like "What's Going On" and "Let's Get It On," Marvin's personal life descended into chaos. Cocaine addiction fueled his paranoia while tumultuous relationships, including his marriage to teenage Janice Hunter, reflected his inability to escape toxic patterns. Financial troubles mounted despite his commercial success, with millions owed to the IRS by the early 1980s.
The final confrontation with his father on April 1, 1984—the day before Marvin's 45th birthday—began with a trivial argument and ended with two fatal gunshots. Marvin's last words to his brother revealed a lifetime of suffering: "I got what I wanted. I couldn't do it myself, so I had him do it."
We explore this tragic story of a musical genius whose childhood trauma echoed throughout his life and ultimately led to his untimely death. Email us your thoughts at ***drinkaboutsomethingpod@gmail.com*** & share your own stories of music, true crime, or anything in between.
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Speaker 2:Jesse.
Speaker 1:Hello Lindsey. What are you drinking today?
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Speaker 1:Peach and mango is fabulous together.
Speaker 2:Mix it all up, right, mix it, sir. Mix a lot, yes, yes. What are we drinking about over here? Today're gonna be drinking about marvin gay are you talking about motown ville over here?
Speaker 1:motown ville yes motown, scott. I just want to give a shout out though there's some light and some darkness, before you dump on motown everything motown, big ups to the funk brothers yeah, they were the ones that started. You've been plugging them to me since we've been together.
Speaker 2:If you like motown, it's the band behind it that made it. Really the funk brothers give it up for them. I mean, honestly, we wouldn't have had motown, if you like motown and that style the funk brothers made it happen. So, yeah, everybody else was just a voice. Really, they just honestly in the studio and, and I love it, it's all amazing, perfect, perfect chemistry.
Speaker 1:But that band, the funk brothers and barry gordy with all of his flaws.
Speaker 2:He put it all together, yeah so, thank you, thank you, and now I'm not sure, maringay yeah, you have no idea.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know. No, okay, I'm gonna be honest too. I should not. I love it. It's one of my favorite genres. I heard about this two years ago and I was absolutely shocked that I knew very little about a man's voice that I have heard my entire life.
Speaker 2:So that's why we were singing, yeah.
Speaker 1:We were plugging Taking a drink. Come on, taking a drink, come on, ain't no river wide enough to keep me from getting?
Speaker 2:to you baby. Yeah, which one's your favorite though?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going to talk about that soon.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I like my Girl. Let's get there first. I think that was my favorite.
Speaker 1:My Girl is not Marvin Gaye darling.
Speaker 2:Oh no, it's not that's.
Speaker 1:The Temptations that's, the Temptations that's.
Speaker 2:The Temptations. Oh, I'm wrong, I'm on to it, yeah.
Speaker 1:I love the Temptations. I love the Temptations. Yes, I don't even know if they were on Motown label.
Speaker 2:They're definitely Motown.
Speaker 1:All right, hold on, we're going to Google it. Come on motown. I'm just saying, yeah, they were on motown, motown, but they were also on barry gordy's. Uh, separate label miracle warwick, uar, capital atlantic and new door, yeah, so they were on several labels. Yeah, marvin, he was on the tamla label through motown records oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, but I'm talking like pre, like the, the, the dawning of the beginning of Temptation, or the beginning of Motown, you know.
Speaker 1:We tried to watch a documentary on Temptations but it wasn't that great. Like, the story of the Temptation is great, but the documentary that they put together was not good yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean even Smokey Robinson. They just fucking grabbed him up off the street.
Speaker 1:Oh smoke, we're going to talk about all these people, so let's save it for the story.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh.
Speaker 1:I'm ready and you want to roll the intro? I'm not ready, but we'll roll it.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, here we go. Happy Friday, holy shit, that's awesome. That is popping Lindsay, that is pumping lindsey. We blow out the speakers.
Speaker 1:we're gonna blow up the speakers on this, really if you're in your headphones, turn it down a little bit.
Speaker 2:No, I love it, no we, we did crank that one. I love it.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 2:It's like hitting very fucking hard. You know, like our jams, is that song really hitting hard for you?
Speaker 1:now it's good. It's good. I love it. It's our intro song. Man, I dance to that song in my head all the time.
Speaker 2:Now it's so goofy yes, it's like goofy, creepy and jazzy Kind of Motown-y, not really, whatever. What are you going to say?
Speaker 1:I have a question for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What made you feel old? This week, you're going to hit me with this. Of course, you're going to hit me with this, give me a second.
Speaker 2:there, give me a second.
Speaker 1:Give me a second. I need to get my story straight.
Speaker 2:All of my old moments just come and go Honestly Okay. Moments just come and go honestly okay, they really do and it's just like oh fuck well now that I'm gonna present you with this question every week.
Speaker 1:Just clock it in your brain.
Speaker 2:I need to save this for the pod, yeah, and I'm just like huh, well, I want to forget about it.
Speaker 1:And then like looking back period, looking back looking back, looking back at me, I see that I never really got it old crossfade where?
Speaker 2:they're gonna be at Rockville. I mean, looking back at our 10th anniversary at Rockville makes you feel old, makes me feel old. I cannot believe it.
Speaker 1:And we're still hanging out with all these kids. Eight years that came up in my Eight years since the day I discovered Avatar, when they blew my fucking mind.
Speaker 2:When they came out on stage.
Speaker 1:And I was like oh my god, and we've seen him on stage.
Speaker 2:And then we went and fucking hung out with him afterwards, and then we've seen him like five times now yeah, he's like can I have your hat?
Speaker 1:and I was like yes, they were in the vip we hung out with them.
Speaker 2:I was like there's the guitarist for avatar. They're playing in the mr fan over there and you're like no, no fucking way.
Speaker 1:I'm like okay, so listen. I have to admit.
Speaker 2:How many no fucking ways have you told me?
Speaker 1:I have to admit. So Jesse finds famous artists out of the blue all the time. Name them off.
Speaker 2:See if you can name them all off right here. I'm not trying to brag, but I'm just trying to say you disassociate people around you sometimes.
Speaker 1:And you're like there's fucking somebody famous right beside you. Well, the top three that I can think of is Avatar. We were in so that year it was our second Rockville and we had paid for VIP that year because we heard that it was good. And I do have to admit, when it was in Jacksonville, the VIP was worth it.
Speaker 2:You had that pocket you could go in and that was the VIP pocket.
Speaker 1:You had better food trucks.
Speaker 2:It was a cut through. It was a faster way to get through the festival it was perfect Rockville. Come on Well, and you had better bathrooms.
Speaker 1:You had better food trucks, which I'm glad that they have made it not like that, because now we have food truck options for days at Rockville, I mean yeah. We have food options galore, but that fried bologna stand needs to come back.
Speaker 2:In Kentucky. We've only seen that in modern life right.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, that was Rockville 2023.
Speaker 2:But we found them in Louisville too, right? Yes, yeah, and then Island Noodles always, always, always.
Speaker 1:But anyways, so I know for sure. So we were in the VIP area, we were cooling down after a seven hour stretch of being on the rail lefty righty.
Speaker 2:We want it back in lefty, righty Rockville. Come back, you can have it, though, but it's front and backy yes so that you can just turn around. So you got a front and back, but it's still it's a lot.
Speaker 1:Right now, rockville is so overwhelming compared to what it used to be. It's huge, it's a big five-stage, but we still rock that shit. It's whatever. I love you, we'll always go, we're so seasoned.
Speaker 2:now it's just like we pick and choose.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:We'll watch a couple songs and we'll ease on.
Speaker 1:Well, because we've seen so many of our, so that makes me feel old too, because we're like we are usually hanging, yeah, um. So we're gonna talk about this shit for a minute. So so we were cooling off vip area and we saw these dudes with dreads without their makeup on, because that's why I was like that's not fucking them and it was fucking avatar and so we have a picture of them and it's one of the proudest moments of my life. But jesse was like that's avatar and I was like the fucking way.
Speaker 2:Then he kind of came up to us yeah, he was like can I buy your hat?
Speaker 1:yes it was the uh, the guitar player one of the guitar players and they've got two. They've got two guitar players on a bass player.
Speaker 2:Yeah all the guitar players are the best I've ever seen in my life and they simultaneously swing their hair around.
Speaker 1:It's so beautiful. Yeah, and johannes, I love you so much.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, he was standing over there right beside us.
Speaker 1:We never even talked to him, we didn't get his attention I know we just hung out with the rest of the band, but the rest of the band was fucking great. They were hanging out with, us. So then, that's, that's that's a picture I treasure.
Speaker 2:You don't have to go for the voice mouth of the band, you know, because there's a lot of people but I love him behind it.
Speaker 1:I, I love you, hannes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1:So and then the second time, which is probably the most iconic for me, we were going to our very first ginger show. It was. It was a very small venue which we'll never get again with ginger. Um, the max capacity was like what? 200, maybe three, and we parked our car. We're walking to the venue and we parked our car. We're walking to the venue. They had just left their meet and greet session and they're walking towards us. Their tour bus was tiny, it was a little camper, and my whole world just blew up. And Eugene Eugene, the basis for ginger grabbed my motherfucking cracked ass phone. I hadn't replaced it yet. I was like this phone's paid off, I don't want to replace it yet Grabbed my phone and took selfies of me and Jesse and Landon, with all of them, and it was. And then so he took one with us Tatiana, him and Roman. And then Vlad came up, the drummer, and he took another, and it was one of the best moments of my whole life when she just completely zoned out.
Speaker 2:I was like looking across the railroad tracks, I was like there's Ginger right there coming up and you're like no fucking way. But I knew that.
Speaker 1:Tatiana. So Tatiana is a very she's a huge introvert. She sings about it and everything, everything. You could tell she was wiped out on her face she was really tired and I did not want to approach her because she had just came from a meet and greet session. But eugene was about that bitch, he. He looked at tiana. Yeah, we take picture. We take pic. Well, and tati?
Speaker 2:leaned into a hug for me and she was just like it's okay, y'all just gave us your band cd and I was like here, here's another one.
Speaker 1:She's like you know, and Chris had given a whole laundry basket.
Speaker 2:He paid for the meet and greet Full of shit, my drummer. To give to them like a merch. We just got it. She's like we just got this yeah.
Speaker 1:And all the shit that he because we introduced him to actually my son, my Landon, he Landon, he introduced Ginger to Chris and we love you, chris. I know you listen, but he shitted on them for a second and then he became obsessed.
Speaker 2:And that's how he does kind of with everything. Then he loves them like Sleep Token, like Beartooth, like everything.
Speaker 1:But he ended up getting this whole laundry basket full of shit. But we got a meet and greet on the street for free, and she leaned into a hug.
Speaker 2:She's all like yes, you could tell, you could tell she was kind of uncomfortable, but like at the same time they wore our band shirt. The next show they did, that was really cool the drummer we should post that a picture of yeah ginger wearing shadow of the earth shirt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it was funny because she was like oh, I met, I met your drummer yeah, I thought he wanted to do my laundry yes. I thought, he wanted to do my laundry and wanted me to do his laundry, and it was so funny he had given her band merch from Shadow of the Earth, candles socks the whole basket full of like fun tour stuff, because they were on a very low budget tour yeah, he hooked them up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that was one of the best shows of my life.
Speaker 1:We got to see the browning and uh sumo psycho really good dance great night yeah and and like on top of that.
Speaker 2:So, like maria brink, she blew me a kiss one time and I was like you know the video. And then, um, colby shattucks, yes, right jacoby, jacoby shattucks, and then, then we walk up to Jose Mangan all the time.
Speaker 1:That's really cool All the time, yeah.
Speaker 2:We got a bunch of pictures, so if you don't know who we're talking about.
Speaker 1:so Maria Brink is, from in this moment, iconic sex metal band Like just she exudes sexual vibes. Just she's beautiful, Amazing woman, metal queen, Amazing witchy sexual yeah, and then Jacoby Shaddix is from Papa Roach, who is a legend, and he blew me a kiss.
Speaker 2:It's almost on every outing that we go On the back of a golf cart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was, oh my God, almost dropped dead.
Speaker 2:I think we're even on that. Like, Maria and Jacoby had a cool-ass song together too, that's really cool.
Speaker 1:And I got to hold Jacoby's hand. You did too when he came over to our section to shake everybody's hand and then Landon got to hold his hand.
Speaker 2:He held him up and held his hand. Yeah, yeah. So that's why we love Rockville so much. We're so fucking excited right now for Rockville.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is our 10th anniversary of Rockville.
Speaker 2:So that does make me feel old, though, Like 10 years of Rockville, and then go on, and then you see all these ass kids and we're just like, ah fuck, I kind of feel old, but we're rocking harder and they don't know, they don't know and you know.
Speaker 1:it's like you know because we belong to all the pages. Yeah, and you'll see all these newcomers that are like they don't know this, they don't know that, and I'm like oh, these babies, we're a season, we'll help you. Yeah, we'll help you, we'll help you.
Speaker 2:And we're going karaoke-ing after each show.
Speaker 1:I think we have a whole list of songs we're going to sing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a big party afterwards each night, so we're going to do that and we're going to be at Rockville.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm just so excited about playing this next band, but the band we're playing today is fucking amazing too. So you guys, we are fired up about Rockville. We really are.
Speaker 1:Well, like I was saying, hopefully by our next episode, which will air the week before we go or the week of Rockville, we will list all the bands that we're going to see, because we'll have our schedule lined up and there's like a little app you download and then you click on all the ones you want to see, so it gives you reminders and you can see who is going to play when.
Speaker 2:That way, if you have to choose between one band or another, see, we like to choose bands that we haven't seen If they're going on at the same time with bands that we have seen we'll yeah, we'll check out a little bit of that, and then we'll go and check out the other bands as well, because if we watch a little bit of that band we can be like all right, we got that, let's go over here and check out the end part of this?
Speaker 1:Well, because there's some bands that, no matter how many times, eat them again yeah. Like corn. Oh, my God, I love you, jonathan Davis. We're getting fucking so many bad bands this year. The lineup is quite overwhelming, if you're coming to Rockville.
Speaker 2:By the way, we're going to be doing a pod on Sunday, sunday morning, when we get up after all the festivities, all the stuff. Then we got one more day, so come and hang out Orange Lot in Rockville, yeah, so that'll be fun.
Speaker 1:Come hang out with us. Yeah, if you want to say a few words, we got you. Yeah, we're just going to talk about something pretty short and similar to true crime and we'll have everybody on yeah because Jessie's bestie she goes the night before we get there and she picks our camping spot and she does a great job. So we'll be in a good spot. We'll let you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're geeked up.
Speaker 1:Hopefully we'll be by the tunnel again, yeah.
Speaker 2:But you have a whole ass story about fucking Marvin Gaye.
Speaker 1:I do, but first I want to say got to say this every time gotta plug it. If you are new here, what we do is we have a drink, we talk about true crime and then at the end of the episode we plug a band that we're digging and that we think you should listen to as well, and, um, I've really broken, jesse.
Speaker 2:So far I'm on a hunter s thompson fucking vibe right now yeah, because I watched fear and loathing in las vegas, yeah, and I told her we need to do some research on him because there's got to be some shit.
Speaker 1:So so yeah, that's on my list.
Speaker 2:Now I'm in my little floral shirt and my my pants. Here I'm rolling like hunter s thompson and I wanted like something kind of tropical, something like I feel like he would have drank and he likes guns like me.
Speaker 1:Well, and this is something that I want, I'm going to continue to plug from, and this is our 30th episode.
Speaker 2:Oh Dirty 30.
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Speaker 1:You might cry into the plant too, a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's Motown.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Well, so most of us older folks know Marvin Gaye as an iconic soul singer and songwriter of R&B from 1957 to 1984. The most popular songs I know off the top of my head are how Sweet it Is. I Heard it Through the Grapevine.
Speaker 2:That's my Favorite, I figured that was going to be your favorite.
Speaker 1:What's going on and let's get it on. If you have never heard of Marvin Gaye, please pause this, go listen to a few songs and come back. We'll be here waiting for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what you can do. You can. You can put that shit on and have some fun time. It'd be great, yeah, or whatever. Fun time music. It's making love music, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:But there's some darkness to it that I'm going to get to in this story. So if you pause this, though before she tells you but Marvin Gaye's voice needs to be heard and I'm sure, like it's in our DNA.
Speaker 2:It's 100%.
Speaker 1:We're millennials, we're elder millennials. It's in our DNA.
Speaker 2:Our parents were playing it. It was around. It's in movies for days Movies for days.
Speaker 1:Especially like Remember the Titans, oh my God. Yeah, that's the one I thought of off the top of my head for in, but it's also in Stepmothers or Stepmom Is it Stepmom? With Susan Sarandon and Julia Roberts, I don't know. Like Marvin Gaye's, music is everywhere, it's everywhere, it's everywhere, it's good. But if you don't know, just pause this for a minute. Go listen to a few songs.
Speaker 2:Most of the ones that I just listed are in the top 10. So associate Marvin Gaye with our story and then come on back and finish it.
Speaker 1:Come on back, but if you know who he is, we're going to keep going. Okay, so Marvin Pence Gay Jr was born on April 2nd 1939 in Washington DC to Marvin Gaye Sr and Alberta Gaye. Marvin was the second of four children. His sisters were I don't know if this is just Jean or Jeannie, it's G-E-A-N-N-E Zeola, who they would call Sweetsie, and one brother named Frankie. Marvin Sr was a pastor of a Pentecostal church that had a combined membership of Orthodox Jews. So there was no Christmas, there was no Easter, there was no Santa.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they were Pentecostal, so they were so charismatic.
Speaker 1:They were charismatic but they went by the Old Testament a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're beating the Bible I found that very strange You're going to stand up and dance.
Speaker 1:Orthodox Jews mixed with Pentecostal, who is very much about Jesus. In Orthodox Jews, there's no Jesus you know what, though.
Speaker 2:If a preacher shows up in a church and he brings a towel and a bottle of water or a cup of water, for my instance, back in the day, right I knew it was going to be fire. Dude, it was going to be fire.
Speaker 1:Well, as was going to say, this was very much a charismatic church there was dancing in the aisles. There was tambourines. There was slaying in the spirit.
Speaker 2:All the shit that I grew up with. All of it. Yeah, dance and holler the whole time.
Speaker 1:So, alberta, she was a domestic worker like in the movie the Help, you know, so they would get on the bus every day and go to other with other domestic workers, go clean and cook and care for the children of the more wealthy white folks you like that chocolate cake uh, that's how it was a pie it was a pie, it was chocolate pie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the help is fuck. And she, the, the woman that plays uh, what was her name in that movie? She plays the bitch. She's the bitch of the fucking movie. Oh, the Serena of.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, she's also plays the mother of Elton John in Rocket man.
Speaker 2:Which was the bitch?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was the fucking bitch, the bitch, I'm a bitch and the bitch is back, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So Alberta, she was the main breadwinner in the house, as Marvin Sr was pretty lazy and he liked to drink. And the strangest thing to me in this story that, even though Marvin Sr was a strict religious man who didn't even like for his kids to read Charlotte's Web, really he was a crossdresser. Oh, he liked to wear alberta's clothes pearls wigs all of it, heels nothing wrong with that though there's nothing wrong with it, but there is something wrong with a motherfucker that says you can't read charlotte's web, but I can crossdress.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't. Wizard of oz is too much because there's witches in it.
Speaker 1:That's what I grew up with. Yeah, god, and he was also very abusive Charlotte's Web Lindsay. Charlotte's Web. Fuck's sake, man, come on. Well, it says Marvin Sr. He was very abusive, and mainly to little Marvin. When he would tell little Marvin to go to his room and wait for a beating, he would jingle the belt, the belt.
Speaker 2:you know how the top of it, clackety-clack yeah.
Speaker 1:For sometimes up to an hour torturing little Marvin. So the rest of—.
Speaker 2:Anticipation before the ass-whipping.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, marvin Jr, he would provoke him and try to make him madder so he could just get that beating over with.
Speaker 2:The anticipation was killing him.
Speaker 1:But unfortunately the rest of his life. I don't know why this is. It's almost like a battered wife syndrome, but for kids he would continuously just try to impress his father for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2:Looking for that acceptance, looking for the acceptance of the abuser? Yeah, there's a lot in there and it's so sad because I've been the battered wife and I know exactly how that feels.
Speaker 1:And my boys my older three boys, no, well, mainly my older two they have had that same situation with their abusive father where they were just constantly trying.
Speaker 2:It kind of changed a little bit when I came into play.
Speaker 1:Well, I remember when my oldest they had a tough time before. Well, he was always a chubby kid and I when their father had been out of their life.
Speaker 2:Beautiful soul he still is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it to death well, when their father had been out of their life for a couple years, he lost, uh, my oldest. He lost some weight and I remember him actually saying maybe dad will love me more now I remember you and I just fucking sobbed because he actually thought his dad would love him more because he was skinnier and they.
Speaker 2:They really looked your older.
Speaker 1:Sue definitely looked for you that acceptance and they now, now that they know what kind of person, what kind, of human being that man is, they're like I don't give a fuck yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's played. He's played them dirty for yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's cause. Men like that are just it. Yeah, that's just the way they are, and it's, and it's horrible.
Speaker 2:They're so comfortable in that negativity, you know.
Speaker 1:So when Marvin Jr, when he was four, he started singing in church and learned to play piano by ear, the Marvin Jr would love the attention he would get, especially from the ladies, like in the audio book that I listened to, like he would actually like talk about how he liked to like muscle their boots. So you're finding acceptance, but now you've directed it toward musicianship A kid that can learn to play piano by ear at four and start singing in church. That is prodigy type shit. That is good stuff.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly, so far this is horrible for him as a child, but now he's changing into something positive, so that's really good.
Speaker 1:Well, marvin Jr had a very close relationship with his mother because she was the one that would console him after the beatings. She would encourage his music and he knew that she was the one actually putting food on the table. He knew that from a very young age and Alberta would say in an interview later on that Marvin Sr never likes little Marvin and that he had actually questioned if the boy was even his and he was always jealous of their mother and son relationship. And that is so gross to me. I don't understand that. How are you going to be mad that a mother loves her child? I don't understand that. Like, get the get the fuck over yourself, because that's what mothers are supposed to do.
Speaker 2:So a self-centered father. He's very self-centered.
Speaker 1:And he wanted all the attention on him and I don't know. You watched that movie it was called the Waitress with me, where she was very abused by her husband and she got pregnant and he told her OK, this, this is cool, I want to have a kid, but you better not pay more attention to that baby than you do to me literally said, it yeah, literally said it to her while she's carrying that baby and I'm like don't do that, men.
Speaker 2:We're gonna love our kids nothing triggers in your fucking head yeah, nothing triggers in your head to actually speak that into life and everything, because that is so disgusting. I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1:Don't understand it. So little Marvin would get teased relentlessly for his cross-dressing preacher father. There was never any safe space for him.
Speaker 2:So it was kind of a public thing that he was cross-dressing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:I mean, from what I could find, like he would do that in his house. But you got to understand. Like people's windows are open and shit, there's kids in the street playing all the time. Oh, they've seen it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because I'd be making comments about your clothes.
Speaker 1:Marvin's getting beat. The shit's getting beat out of him in-house, and his father don't really like him period.
Speaker 2:And this is what the 50s or the 40s, so he was born in 39, so 40s, all the way up to the 50s. So the women's clothes in the 40s was way fucking different than me looking at you in some badass pants and saying, damn, I wish I had those.
Speaker 2:Right, you know what I'm saying and had those right I'm saying and you're not beating our fucking kids, and I don't really wear your clothes, I just say you're not restricting our children from watching or reading anything while you're being a cross-dressing preacher, preacher yeah, in the name of jesus.
Speaker 1:So this would actually lead marvin to have suicidal thoughts starting in his teen years he never did get that acceptance well, he didn't. He didn't have a safe space. He was getting teased outside of the home, he was getting beat inside of the home, and that's just terrible.
Speaker 2:There's no safeness. The only thing good in his life was music, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like our kid went through some bullying shit in school, but we were the safe space for him at home. Yeah, so when you don't have anywhere and I grew up with this when you don't have any safe space, it just puts a lot on your on your mind, a lot on your mind. See, I was a bookworm and I would just get lost in books. That was my safe space.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and our, our only faults are, you know, letting him be in like this freelance, wide open kid that can do whatever and be creative constantly, and then when he doesn't get that, he kind of comes back at us a little bit. Yeah, so we struggle with that, we do. Everybody has faults and flaws. We struggle with on our part, with how free our child is for being creative Because he wants to be 100% free, and he's only 11 years old.
Speaker 1:You can't let him do that. No, no, you've got to have restrictions on it.
Speaker 2:He's so used to being able to have that freedom and be creative, musically, artistically, everything and we support it so much that we need to bring that back into a structural type and not everyone understands, Like there was a neighbor to the left of us. Yeah.
Speaker 1:They have a little girl and he went over there dressed in his leather face shit and it scared her when Silas is just having a great time. Yeah, In the middle of June he's walking around in leather face stuff and a lot of people love it and think it's hilarious, but some parents are like get the fuck away from my kid the hundred houses in our whole neighborhood.
Speaker 2:They know Silas Right and he walks by and does his thing, because we let him do his thing.
Speaker 1:But he also dresses as Angus Young. He will dress as Slash.
Speaker 2:He will dress as a construction worker, Like he's just. He wakes up every day and sees what I like the Hannibal Lecter stuff that he was doing. I know that was really cool.
Speaker 1:I think he'll come back to that when he's a little older, yeah, when he understands it more. How cool is that? Right now, he don't get it.
Speaker 2:Too technical for him right now. Well so Marvin.
Speaker 1:so for Marvin Gay Junior, his singing was his main solace, as you said. And then he started singing secular music, doo-wop to be exact and to make money, and of course his dad hated that. Dad was like you sing for the Lord and that's it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, while he's over here.
Speaker 1:Well, Alberta, she loved it and supported it yeah. And in his late teens he joined the Air Force. But instead of learning how to fly, they just had him peeling potatoes, and after nine months he was done with that shit.
Speaker 2:Oh, you know how acidic potatoes are when you peel like a hundred of them at a time.
Speaker 1:So acidic yeah your fingers are just like when I peel one bag of them. I'm like like I don't ever want to look at a potato again.
Speaker 2:You feel like you've done some fucking work just in one bag, but do it 100, 200 all day for nine months he did that shit all day, every day different uh, that was the 40s, the late different
Speaker 2:bases like he would go to different and that's all they had him to, because unfortunately, black men weren't seen as equals yet and yeah, that's so, yeah, so bad and he was probably like I'm gonna be in the military, I'm the air force, I'm gonna do, but he was dishonorably even though he only did nine months, he was, uh, honorably discharged okay, not dishonorably right, honorably just uh, so, but um.
Speaker 1:So he got out of the air force and formed a group called the marquees and he works. He worked with Bo Diddley. You know Bo Diddley. Yeah, we know Bo Diddley.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's Gainesville stuff right there.
Speaker 1:And then he joined the Moonglows and gained the attention of Chuck Berry and the founder of Motown Records, barry Gordy. Here we go, yeah, good stuff. So he started out playing drums for Smokey Robinson and Stevie Wonder Really yeah. Then he played piano, so he had to start at the bottom and work his way up.
Speaker 2:Smokey, and Stevie had already established their Motown.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, they were already in.
Speaker 2:They had made the record.
Speaker 1:But I have to say, but he's like a touring drummer.
Speaker 1:He would actually Hold on. Let me get to where I'm going and then I'll talk about this. Okay, so, like I said, he would start out playing drums for Smokey and Stevie, then he played piano, he did backup vocals and finally started to write and sing his own songs. Now he would get pissed off when he had established his vocals and his name and his abilities. He had established his vocals and his name and his abilities. He would actually get pissed off that Barry would put Stevie on instead of him or shit like that. He started to get really selfish because, even though oh, the competitiveness Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even though he was working his ways, it wasn't really so much selfish it was.
Speaker 2:He was trying to push his self and being competitive toward his music and his art and career.
Speaker 1:Right, well, even though, like I'm sorry, I'm team Motown on even this.
Speaker 2:I know you're going to drop some shit on him, but I'm still so supportive.
Speaker 1:Well, Barry Gordy was an asshole, Okay, I mean so, even though Marvin was still trying to pay his dues, he was very aware of his own talent.
Speaker 2:Okay, somewhat.
Speaker 1:We'll get a little more into that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like, my shit is the shit you need to be playing my shit. Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1:Well, during this time he had also caught the attention of Barry Gordy's sister Her name was Anna who was 17 years older than Marvin, Uh-oh, he was 20. She was 37. And in 1963, they got married. So that got him more into the fam, you know, into the Barry Gordy fam, into the Motown, all of that that marriage helped his career take off For sure. So, and then, at this time, he added an E to the end of his last name, the same as Sam Cooke had done, so his original name is just G-A-Y.
Speaker 2:Love some Sam Cooke. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1:And we're going to cover him later on too.
Speaker 2:There's some shit that happened to Sam Cooke.
Speaker 1:There's some shit there, lindsay. So oh yeah, there is so much true crime in the music world and I do encourage you guys. This man does not need plugging at all. I still think that his production of every single podcast, every episode that he does so, jake Brennan from Disgraceland if you want to hear about all the shit that can go down with a music artist it's produced differently than us. Yeah, it's a production.
Speaker 2:What was the one you and I did from? Were we coming back from Orlando or Tampa or something? Oh, Brandon Lee, we did Brandon Lee. No, we did another.
Speaker 1:We'll have to go back.
Speaker 2:Satchmo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2:It was Satchmo Louis Armstrong. Yes, huge activist for African Americans, so yeah. Disgraceland does a great job on covering music true crime. Yeah, he's good. Look them up. Yeah, yeah, and I enjoy that. I wish I could do that kind of production. I would need two more people.
Speaker 1:Well, I prefer what we're doing now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd have to quit my job and do at least two more people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it takes him two weeks to produce one episode.
Speaker 2:You're phenomenal yeah. I think, we're doing good though. Oh yeah, I enjoy doing our little chats. I think so too. I enjoy this yeah.
Speaker 1:So after Marvin started releasing hit after hit, he became a sex symbol and women were all over him and he's married, but he's still only 20 years old. He's making that bedroom music.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And it said in the audio I listened to called soul divided. Very good, I recommend it 100. I will put it in our instagram story. Marvin felt obligated to sleep with literally all the women that were throwing themselves at him oh what all of them?
Speaker 1:he was dirty, all of them, yeah. He also was writing songs like dancing in the oh what with as many fans as he possibly could, and that could become quite draining. So he needed a pick-me-up. You know what Rick James calls a hell of a drug Cocaine, cocaine, yeah. Now he had already been smoking marijuana so much that he felt like he was living his life through a filter, and you know that is as a person that has partake, partaken in gardening off and on throughout the years since I was about 16, that is what it feels like you can function, but it feels like it's through a filter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everything is just not real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I don't want to say that, I don't want to say not real, it just feels like really I can't associate, really no, you can't want to say that.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say not real. It just feels like I don't really, I can't associate really. No, you can't. It does something different to me. Yeah, it does something different to me.
Speaker 1:So I, I like, I like gardening, but I cannot function successfully in life while doing it. It's something that I have to be at home and not have a care in the world doing, or even like at a festival. I will take part in those gardening setbacks.
Speaker 2:And we all have fun with like right. You know what's going on in the high, and I've also learned that certain strands do.
Speaker 1:I can't do it. So I have learned that hybrid is the best strand for me, where it doesn't put me down, it doesn't take me too far up either, it's just the perfect mellow yeah, me and dr green thumb we don't mix.
Speaker 2:I just it's not a cool vibe for me and gummies are even hitting weird sometimes yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's literally hit or miss with gummies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so cocaine gave him that extra drive that he needed to push on that white girl? Yes, but but then he became erratic. And am I fucking autocorrect? So I've put paranoid but it autocorrected to paranormal. He did not become paranormal, he became paranoid. He was paranoid most of the time and he would smoke more weed to balance it out, and that's just it. It's a lot.
Speaker 2:That's a shitty balance. That's a shitty balance. Yeah, you don't want to walk that line.
Speaker 1:But most people that use cocaine they snort it. But Marvin Gaye he would eat it Really. He ate it Num, num, num, num, num, num, num, num, num, num and I guess that works for him. And cocaine also helped with the fact that marvin actually hated performing live stage fright. Really cocaine made it go away I figured he would like all. That's why I'm going.
Speaker 2:If uh, the feedback and all the girls. Well, johnny cash, he would get rid of his stage fright through the pills that he was taking.
Speaker 1:We have an episode on that. Go back and listen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, check that out I didn't know that dirt on cash, that was crazy.
Speaker 1:Jamaica, wow yeah but so yeah, johnny cash, he would take the pills, which would give you pretty much the same effect as cocaine they were, so they want to be 10 foot tall and bulletproof right yeah and it helped with their stage fright.
Speaker 1:They could, and I, because the demands you guys I don't know if y'all know how demanding it is to travel from one city to the next day after day and perform a show every day for an hour and a half to two, sometimes three hours If you're a headliner. Yeah, we had Eddie Vedder for four hours when we saw Pearl Jam.
Speaker 2:He was in his fucking element.
Speaker 1:There was no opening band, it was just us and Pearl Jam.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:Vedder for four fucking hours, same with Stevie Nicks.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah, well, she was telling stories in between that, but at her age.
Speaker 1:Well, their opening act was supposed to be the Carpenters right, yeah, something like that. She handled that, but her at her age.
Speaker 2:their opening act was supposed to be the carpenters, right? Yeah, something like that. She handled that shit, but it was.
Speaker 1:That's demanding, fucking phenomenal, you got to put on the show for a packed fucking house like eddie. Better had seats sold behind the stage.
Speaker 2:I've talked about this in a previous episode.
Speaker 1:1500 seats, yeah, and turn that whole bitch around to play for the people that were watching the back of his head the whole night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a lot. Check out that episode. It's a lot on a human. I forgot what episode we added that in, but check it out.
Speaker 1:We put a lot on entertainers and promoters and agents, and everybody puts a lot on entertainers and they're just human beings.
Speaker 2:They're doing all they can to give back for their livelihood and the appreciation of what they've created. So they're going to give back as much as they can, just like Green Day, you know Right. So it's really phenomenal, it's really fucking just. I'm glad they give back.
Speaker 1:Right. So these days music charts are normally categorized into genres, but at that time white artists were on one chart, which was mainly pop, and black artists had a different chart, mainly r&b and motown. They crossed right over into the white charts, like motown was the tits, all colors, all everybody. We were all listening to marvin gay. I wasn't there, but I still listen to marvin gaye.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know well, it kind of did that with doo-wop a little bit too. Yes it, it kind of turned over into that a little bit motown like, but motown was the full on cross. Yeah, and I love that. That's the. The biggest reason why I love motown so much is because you have everybody into that. Even the funk brothers had different races, different people, different cultures, creeds.
Speaker 1:Well, motown had artists like Diana Ross, yeah, lionel Richie, which would come later on after this. We're still in the 60s here. Who else? Rick James?
Speaker 2:ended up getting on Smokey Robinson, smokey Robinson, but it was just.
Speaker 1:Stevie Wonder. Yeah, and it was just Stevie.
Speaker 2:Wonder yeah, yeah, and it was a lot of black artists, but like and back then they still called him little Stevie Wonder because he was so young yeah. The bands that all got together, they brought them up off the streets and they let them be exposed and play their music. And it's phenomenal, it really is, and Barry Gordy.
Speaker 1:He was actually already his, you know, he was black and his family was actually already successful and he kind of got a jump on that and he brought in a lot of low-income struggling artists and and boomed them right up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I really love that though so by 1969 things were a little out of control. Marvin was definitely cheating on anna. Anna was cheating on Marvin as well, and they were constantly throwing it in each other's face. Marvin actually attempted suicide one night by locking himself in a bathroom with a gun, but was talked down by Anna's father, and this would happen many, many more times.
Speaker 2:So he had the road and then when he got home it was just drama Right, yeah Many many more times.
Speaker 1:So he had the road and then when he got home, it was just drama, right. Yeah, like Mr Gordy Barry and Anna's father, he was like another father to Marvin, because his own father was a piece of shit, right? So Marvin would also freak out on his friends and family members and point guns at them and would disappear for days and weeks, for days and weeks. And all the while, his success is growing and growing and growing, with the release of I Heard it Through the Grapevine, which sold 4 million copies.
Speaker 2:Back then. That's huge, that was 1969.
Speaker 1:That's huge. Yeah, that was the year of love, that was Woodstock year, that's Jimi Hendrix status, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, in a different genre, because was more soul where Jimmy was rock. Yeah, I have to associate rock with it because we love Jimmy too.
Speaker 1:Love Jimmy Hendrix. We could probably do something on.
Speaker 2:Jimmy too, oh yeah, well, I want to do a whole 27.
Speaker 1:Club Month.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1:With Kurt and Janice and Jimmy and all the other artists, we have a whole picture of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And who else was it? Jim Morrison.
Speaker 2:Jim, yeah, there's, a lot.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of shit in there, in all of their lives, that fall into the true crime world, because true crime isn't just murder, it's also just shit that happens that people get involved with. That can be crime.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well. And that fame and crime, yeah Well. And that that fame and stardom and everything it all pushes down on you.
Speaker 1:Especially back then, like we talked about with Johnny cash, like these guys had a lot of demands on them to to perform, and your body as a human being cannot handle that shit without something like there's days that I can't get through everything that I do in the morning and then I have to go to work at night without some kind of pump and I do my naturally like well, I won't say completely naturally like but I'm drinking a Celsius or a coffee. I'm not snorting cocaine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some kind of motivation that you can put. You know you'd be like I'm going to drink this and I'm going to kick ass, right, and that mental thing and motivation really helps out a lot, right? Just a cup of coffee in the morning, cup of coffee, cup of coffee.
Speaker 1:Well, I start my day with pre-workout.
Speaker 2:You watch that dog that's been on there talking about a cup of coffee in the morning, no Acting like Randy Savage and shit Cup of coffee.
Speaker 1:Well, in the early 70s Marvin's brother, frankie, returned from Vietnam Because 72, I think, was when Vietnam actually ended. So this was right at 1970. Frankie returned from Vietnam and Marvin was horrified from his war stories.
Speaker 2:So he decides to write an album about it, called what's going on. Veterans wouldn't tell them to anybody because it was so horrifying yeah.
Speaker 1:And he had to fight hard to get this produced because it was political, it wasn't sexy, like everything else Marvin had already sang about and um. It didn't talk about love and it didn't talk about sex like his songs before. So this album and title track was released in January of 1971 and would top the Billboard chart, staying at number two for five weeks. 50 years later, this same album would be number one on Rolling Stone's top 500. I looked it up and it's still number seven. Wow, yeah, lindsay, it's still number seven. Wow, yeah, lindsay, wow, still number seven. So Marvin sang a lot of duets with other women, like Mary Wells, kim Weston, tammy Tyrell, which she does the Ain't no Mountain.
Speaker 2:And Diana Ross, and then Diana Ross.
Speaker 1:And Marvin and Tammy were. You know they were iconic. That song is iconic.
Speaker 2:Right, they probably did tours together and everything yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, that caused a lot of jealousy with Anna. Oh yeah, all those duets with females which I mean that happened back then a lot. I mean just think about Garth Brooks with Trisha Yearwood like that, and you know as a lot. I mean, just think about Garth Brooks with Trisha Yearwood, like that.
Speaker 2:As a listener, you would think that those guys are doing something. But they're just meeting in a studio and doing a song and if they do it a couple of times on stage on a tour, or whatever.
Speaker 1:No baby.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was a. Thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're definitely most of the time through. Most of the cases I have listened to, they're sleeping with their duets.
Speaker 2:No, come on now. We just talked about Jacoby and Maria Brink, come on.
Speaker 1:I said back in those days oh, in those days In those days.
Speaker 2:Well to me, though, my mindset is like they show up to the studio, they do the song. Well, look at Johnny and June, they might have this cool ass connection and do this song together and produce something that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Back in those days it was a little different. Now it's more a corporate type union when they're just going to the studio for the day. Back then though they were traveling together. It's just a friendship and you're just trying to put out something amazing. Back then they were spending a lot more time together, traveling together on the bus now they're just meeting up at a studio recording each other's parts.
Speaker 2:That's my mindset, yeah, so yeah, I get it. I get it yeah damn so okay.
Speaker 1:So we're in the 70s now and marvin had been living in a home given to him by barry gordy and he he kind of felt, felt like Barry had given him pretty much everything he had, because he kind of had, but Marvin was making the money he was putting in the work. But he wanted to move out to LA and bought a huge mansion for his whole family, including his hateful-ass father, to move into. His family called this the big house and even though his dad moved into this house, he hated that. It was bought by his son that played the devil's music and still hated the relationship that Marvin had with his mom. His dad even refused an invitation to go on tour with him. Absolutely not. If our kid makes it and says come on tour with us, we go, we're going to do the whole tour, we go. Yes, we'll have to do the whole tour, we going. Yes, we'll have a leave of absence and we'll be gone.
Speaker 2:But if our son's famous, I'm sure he'll get my own dressing room. That way I can put your clothes in it, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Yes, you'll be wearing my fishnets. Yeah, you want to wear my skirts too, boo. No, just shorty shorts. No, no, not really.
Speaker 2:No, I mean I got good looking legs, but no, you do have great legs. I'm very jealous of your molecular structure out of your fishnets.
Speaker 1:Lindsey, I'm a cold chamber style like I work hard every fucking day to try to get my legs to look like yours do naturally, asshole, sorry sorry, don't hate me, I mean I don't at all. The top is a potato guy and you have no ass.
Speaker 2:I do not you don't want the ass, I do not want the ass, but I just want your legs give me your legs from the ass down pass the ass down well, marvin and anna's relationship would continue to decline.
Speaker 1:They were barely a couple at this point, constantly cheating, constantly hurting each other, but they still were married. Well, while he's working on, let's Get it On with Ed. Townsend, ed Townsend. Do you know who that is?
Speaker 2:Yes, okay.
Speaker 1:So he sued Ed Sheeran because of his similarities between let's Get it On and Thinking Out Loud Really. But Ed Sheeran'saron's like bitch, it's four chords, it's the same four chords. I cannot help that right, there's so many, so many songs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with those patterns, yeah well, marvin is introduced to what he thought was ed townsend's daughter, but it was actually okay. So he's introduced to janice hunter and she comes and hangs out at the studio with her mom. I'm going to do a little side story on Janice that I did not write about. This is all off the top of my head. So Janice she was the daughter of an addict and Janice's mother could not. She okay. So Janice's mother was white, her father was black, so she was mixed, which was kind of looked down upon. In this time period, janice actually had to live in a foster home during the week and Janice's mother would pick her up on the weekends and spend time with her. But by the time she was 14, janice was like I've had enough of this bitch that runs this foster home, I want to come home. So Janice's mother was like alright, you're kind of at the point where you can kind of take care of yourself because, like I said, Janice is so horrible.
Speaker 1:Well, from the time Janice was 8 years old, she was obsessed with Marvin Gaye like 8 years old, all the way up finally, by the time she was 17,.
Speaker 1:Janice's mother knew some connections and knew some people that were in the music industry and also actors and all kinds of shit. I don't know how she was connected. I didn't finish that audio book which is Janice's book, my Life with Marvin Gaye. I didn't finish all of it, but I got some good pinpoints. So Janice is obsessed with Marvin Gaye. I didn't finish all of it, but I got some good pinpoints.
Speaker 1:So Janice is obsessed with Marvin from eight years old. She finally gets to meet him at 17. Now, at first it was supposed to be Marvin was supposed to come sing for her birthday but, as we'll talk about later on, he liked to skip out on shit like that. So he did not show up for her 17th birthday. But then her mother was invited by Ed to come to the studio one day when Marvin was going to be recording, and this is how Marvin met Janice. So Janice has been obsessed for 10 years now. So Marvin meets her and he's instantly smitten. And there were some problems here, though he was 33. Yeah, she was 17. Oh, which is so. Here, though, he was 33. Yeah, she was 17. Oh, which is so strange to me the switchback.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of the switchback, so he's 17 years older than Janice, and his wife Anna is 17 years older than him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, it's so weird, but he pursues this relationship with Janice and he hides her up in a small house in the Topanga Canyon in Santa Monica. She gets pregnant and but unfortunately she loses that baby. Now he already has, I think, one or two children with Anna at this point. He continues to hide Janice for a while but eventually divorces Anna and then marries Janice, like soon after, and they have a successful pregnancy and at this time now she's 22 and Marvin is 40. He absolutely loved Janice, but his toxic traits were something that he just really didn't have control over.
Speaker 2:He didn't want to break them, yeah.
Speaker 1:He would put Janice down about how she had gained weight after the baby, and I don't understand why people do this Now. You follow him as well, but I follow the Dalton Ain't Worried account.
Speaker 2:Yes, when Socko is getting big and he's like I don't care.
Speaker 1:Right, that's just like me.
Speaker 2:That's why I watch them so much. He is a lot like me, he's such a good dude. She's a lot like you with the little metal shirts and the cuteness. She's in the background like I'm just hanging with my man, he's so happy, and I'm happy because he's happy.
Speaker 1:They're successful now.
Speaker 2:I love them.
Speaker 1:So many people because I I click on the comments and, even though I need to stop doing this because it actually like brings me down, I don't look at the comments on them.
Speaker 2:No, he's all like, he's, he's like. Why is everybody hating on me when I'm poor?
Speaker 1:now they're hating on me because I'm rich yes, I just saw that one yesterday also girl, because me and you watched some of that and we click on fucking well, so many people comment on sako's weight gain or you know, her postpartum body, and it makes me sick.
Speaker 2:She's so beautiful Either way. Dalton had to make a video about it, her little bubbliness, reminds me of you. So much, lindsay.
Speaker 1:But I just find it so sad.
Speaker 2:I really had to watch them because that reminds me of you.
Speaker 1:Oh, I relate to Socko, so much yeah.
Speaker 2:And he reminds me of me a oh, I relate to Socko so much, yeah. And he reminds me of me a lot too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it just made me so sad that Dalton even had to make a video about that. Like, shut the fuck up For all you people that will just sit there and comment about somebody's body. I'm not saying us. I think our listeners are better than that. But if for some reason, you're listening to this episode and you will down somebody's body, don't do that. It's hard for a lot of women to bounce back.
Speaker 2:I love that couple so much. They remind me of us so much I mean, yeah, it's like I myself.
Speaker 1:I have never been thin and after having four kids and trying to achieve my body goals in my 40s, it's hard. It's like swimming against the current Like I will. I eat very healthy, I work out five days a week. I, I, I uh, splurge on the weekends and then we drink, but I drink seltzer.
Speaker 2:But you don't have to aspire to what the public fucking wants. You know, it's just my own personal body goals. I'm hard on myself, you know.
Speaker 1:that's all that matters, but I just that just is so. And people that are influencers or popular on social media, they know. They know to not look at those negative comments and let them fuck with them, because even the negative commenters are engaging in their posts, which earns them more money, so y'all are just helping them out really so whatever, well, anyway. I just never look back to marvin yes, oh god, I look so hard that I will click on the people's profiles that are commenting negative and y'all ain't got no room y'all ain't got no room to fucking talk shut the fuck.
Speaker 2:So far, though, lindsey, this whole story. I've just been riding the fucking wave of supporting Motown and even Marvin Gaye. He's a shitty fucking dude for doing stuff with women, and I don't get a lot into Barry Gordy, but he was a shitty dude as well. I mean.
Speaker 1:Motown Records, though, is very successful, and they gave us a lot of good music, so I'm going to leave it at that. We can still love Motown, it's okay yeah.
Speaker 2:It's okay to love Motown, so you're fixing to drop bombs, though, here in a minute, right On Marvin.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not on Marvin himself. Just let me tell the story.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, go ahead. So anyway, like I said, back to Marvin, so he would show all kinds of toxic behaviors and in later views he actually admits to it and he's very sorry for it. But, like I said, he really didn't know how to control it. He was eating cocaine, doing all the bullshit, and that just made him a different person. He would actually swerve the car on purpose, acting like he was going to kill the whole family. He would cheat and actually encourage Janice to cheat on him, like he would have fantasies about her being with other people and he would encourage her to do it. He would actually book the hotel rooms for her to get it on.
Speaker 2:He wanted that toxic shit around him.
Speaker 1:Now, I did not know this, but Marvin was in a rivalry with Teddy Pendergrass Really, teddy P, teddy P, teddy P, teddy P. And Janice has an affair with him and Marvin nearly stabs her over it and wanted to take his own life. Well, saying this love is killing me, what? Well, saying this love is killing me. Now what? It is speculated that marvin gaye jr, our star that we're talking about here. He struggled with his own sexuality and there are rumors of him sleeping with other men, and some of these men were men that he pushed janice into having affairs with wow, richard pryor richard, that's just a speculation.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying that. I've heard that in a few things that I've listened to about marvin gaye huge activist, huge movie star, huge richard pryor was an abusive piece of shit too, though he had he Demons.
Speaker 2:I love him to death though.
Speaker 1:We wouldn't have.
Speaker 2:Eddie Murphy without Richard Pryor.
Speaker 1:We wouldn't have fucking Gene Wilder man. I love.
Speaker 2:No, he brought Gene up. He really did as far as comedy, but that black and white combination of combo is one of the best things I've ever watched in my life. It's so abrasiveive and you can't do that what's the other one that I like?
Speaker 1:hear no evil, see no evil, yeah yeah, you can't do that now.
Speaker 2:You cannot do that now. Fucking blazing saddles. Could you imagine them putting out something like blazing saddles now? No, canceled, but we needed that. We needed that for our dna. I mean, I get it. People move on, generations move on, and it's not acceptable and it's not right for us to think and you and I never thought that that was appropriate by any means but the comedy that come out with it, because people were just they.
Speaker 1:They used um, they used race and everything very loosely, and it was a joke because we didn't see it that way I like nobody that makes fun of issues that are going on in the world, because it makes it a little more lighthearted.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and people hold that so dear and being so charismatic toward um, you know well, you can't do that. You can't say that. Do this a joke to us, because we don't think that way, you know. So that's why that flew off Blazing Saddles blew. It was. I didn't think that way, so it was just a joke. You know. I know that they were saying jokes. You know, even Cat Williams says a lot of shit like that.
Speaker 1:I can literally recite most of his stand-up word for word.
Speaker 2:But he uses a lot of races and everything that everybody holds on to as a joke, because we don't live in that.
Speaker 1:Well, cat has also predicted a lot of the bullshit that we've seen unfold over the last couple of years too.
Speaker 2:I'm like Cat Williams said that shit yeah. Like about Diddy Nostradamus of our age.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean when I got obsessed with him in the late 2000s, when he first started getting really popular. I did like, of course, I did a whole Google research on him. He was a child prodigy, so he's very smart.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's fucking genius Insanely smart, yeah, and he understands just like us. He has that same brainwave thought where? It's just like, if you're going to say all that bullshit, we're just going to laugh about it because it's bullshit to begin with, and he I mean, he Like Dave. Chappelle, you know, it's like they're going to use all this race and all this narrative and all this shit they're trying to pump into everybody's head, you know.
Speaker 1:but we're way beyond that, we're way right, like I said, they're just making fun of issues at hand to make them a little more light-hearted, because people, even though life sucks, you want to laugh about, yeah, the sucky parts of it and make it not so bad that they're trying to control you.
Speaker 2:Anyhow, we've been sidetracking so much on this episode because I am still team fucking. You know I love this genre of music, so you don't have to not like it I'm not gonna drop that big of a palm.
Speaker 1:This has nothing to do with motown records this, these bombs I'm gonna drop.
Speaker 1:Motown is my nut sorry so okay, like I said, even though he was pushing affairs on janice like almost pressuring her to have them, he did not approve of Teddy Pettigrass After this, after, like, he pulls a knife on Janice and almost ends his own life right in front of her. Janice left him and he was now paying out loads of money to Anna and Janice and he also owed the IRS a shit ton of money because he hadn't been paying his taxes. Oh yeah, he pushed on to make more albums and even though he knew the exes would be getting part of the royalties especially Anna that was like in their divorce agreement he would keep making more and, of course, he had to pay for his three square meals a day of cocaine Three square meals. He did take a break for a second breakfast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right now. He did take a break for a little bit.
Speaker 2:It wasn't very long and he wanted to play football Really?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he would also disappear, he. He did this quite often and he went to Hawaii for seven months and lived in a van. Wow Lived in a van.
Speaker 2:I want to go to months and lived in a van. Wow lived in a van. I want to go to hawaii and live in a van I would too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, especially when you're trying to avoid all your um creditors and people that you're having to, that would be a great escape back.
Speaker 2:So all the tumultuous fucking shit that he's created, it just keeps building up on him like he's.
Speaker 1:he is putting out successful content right day after day, but he's still owing money constantly because he's got a very first of all, he's got a very expensive habit, he's got two people that he's got to pay out alimony and child support to, and then he's not paying his taxes, so his debt is just racking up constantly. Yeah, so he eventually went on tour in the uk, but his performance anxiety kicked in once again and he didn't show up for many of these. Yeah, because he wouldn't be able to do it. Wow, that's tough, though I mean it's pressure.
Speaker 2:And one of these performances included performing for Princess Margaret that he ducked and dodged, ducked and dodged on Princess Margaret.
Speaker 1:And she was the cool hip princess. Like she liked parties. She loved Marvin Gaye Right, and what I she was like the die before princess die.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, what I learned from the audiobook I listened to about this what had happened was he was postponing his appearance and they were just constantly like princess margaret's people was like please come, please get here, princess margaret is waiting, you don't want to leave her waiting. Well, when he finally was like all right, I'm going to the venue, it was raining, the bus got delayed and then, literally, as he's pulling up, it was a midnight and princess margaret had been like I'm done waiting and she was leaving and then, when he got on stage, they pulled curtain like 20 minutes into his performance. Yeah, well, and like this was a huge story back in the day, like it was on headlines everywhere that he snubbed, princess Margaret.
Speaker 1:Now, after this, he ended up spending a lot of time in Europe, actually around almost three years. A man named Freddy Cusser he was a concert promoter and he took Marvin in said all right, we're going to get you cleaned up and we're going to get you back on track and Marvin would live with him and his family in Belgium for some time. And Marvin loved Belgium Like he loved his time there. I like the waffles oh yeah, me too. And the sausage yeah. So CBS bought him out from Motown Records Wow, it's like for over a million dollars.
Speaker 1:Really, that was a lot at that time, time to come on over, and he decided this was time for a comeback, and that's when. Sexual Healing was born. Yes, he won like nine Grammys that year.
Speaker 2:That's a beautiful song, yes.
Speaker 1:Well, that whole album's great when I get that feeling. But on this Sexual Healing, them's great when I get that feeling. But on this, on this tour he he literally had his cocaine dealer. Okay, so here's marvin in the middle, all right, he had his cocaine dealer in a room on one side of him and he had a priest in a room on the other side of him and they were like all conjoining so he's like going over here and doing his coke and then going and like confessing his sins to the priest. It was insane. But his paranoia is so bad now that he had his brother come on tour with him and be like kind of like his bodyguard and his body double because they look very similar. So he would use Frankie as a decoy.
Speaker 2:Wow, so like. But drugs will make you paranoid, right yeah?
Speaker 1:and marvin felt like somebody was always out to get him and I have noticed literally from listening to disgrace land that artists have fucking psychos following them all the time. Taylor swift, there was this dude that ended up in her fucking house that is extremely secured, like security everywhere. He, this dude, ended up in her bathroom twice. What?
Speaker 2:yes, dude, that's scary at two different locations because she's got houses everywhere like taylor swift.
Speaker 1:She can like. She like poops out a song every morning. You know I mean poops out of house every afternoon and you know I mean not a lot of people are a fan of Taylor Swift, that listen to the same genres that we do, but I think she is talented as fuck. Yeah, sorry, she is golden.
Speaker 2:You got to give credit where credit is due, yeah, so in 1982, marvin Gaye Sr.
Speaker 1:He moved back alone to his home in Washington that he had been renting out while he stayed at the big house in LA. The previous tenants had left and he wanted to fix it up and sell it. Well, alberta, she became very sick and Marvin Sr did not come back for six months and this made Marvin Jr very angry. Well, marvin Jr, he would take care of her when he could in between touring and being out on the road. So all the other kids are also living in this same area in the big house Jeannie and Sweetsie. They were there. Frankie was there, so she had support, but her fucking husband was gone that she had been married to her whole life.
Speaker 1:In 1984, marvin Sr moved back to the big house in LA just in time for Marvin to end his tour. Now Marvin's room again. He likes to be in the middle of everything. It was right in between his father's and his mother's because they hadn't slept in the same room in years and, per his paranoia, there were guns everywhere for protection. Marvin has now graduated from snorting and eating cocaine to freebasing it, smoking it. This made his paranoia worse, but he still had women and dealers coming in and out of the house constantly, and this made his father very angry, like. I'm sorry. Marvin Sr, first of all, fuck you. I don't agree with Marvin's lifestyle whatsoever, marvin.
Speaker 2:Jr's, but he set him up for the whole lifestyle.
Speaker 1:This is his house and even though you don't like how he's making the money, you're still benefiting from it, for sure, marvin Sr. Yeah, so fuck you.
Speaker 2:His whole fucking lifestyle, his whole existence is because of Marvin Jr. Yeah.
Speaker 1:On March 31st 1984, word had gotten to Marvin Sr that Martin Jr's debts had escalated, and now the house may be seized by the IRS. He'd owed over a million dollars. Wow, which is four million in today's money. You imagine how it's changed between then and now.
Speaker 2:It's so inflated it's crazy.
Speaker 1:And now, Plus, he owed child support in alimony payments along with other debts. There was an insurance document that Alberta couldn't find, and Marvin Sr was ranting and raving about it the entire day and went on into the next. Marvin's sisters came over from the guest house with breakfast for Alberta and Alberta offered that breakfast to Marvin Jr, and this sent his father over the edge. Now, alberta only did this because Marvin still kind of fresh off tour, he's drained, he was, you know, had lost some weight, and she was like you need to eat, son, that's it but. And that breakfast was for her. But Marvin senior got mad that she didn't offer it to him. I guess I don't know. So he yelled at Alberta from downstairs and then Marvin Jr provoked him. His father came running up the stairs yelling and Marvin Jr shoved his father to the ground, punching and kicking him.
Speaker 1:Alberta intervened and then Marvin Sr went to his room, grabbed a handgun that his son had given him for Christmas and I think it was a .38, and shot his son, marvin Gaye Jr, right in the heart and then fired it again into his shoulder. Now the first bullet had already ricocheted all through his fucking body Like it had damaged his lungs, everything. Wow, lindsay. Well, frankie heard Frankie, marvin's younger brother. He heard the gunshots and called 911 and then, laid down beside his brother, marvin Jr said I got what I wanted. I couldn't do it myself, so I had him do it. It's good. I ran my race and there's nothing left in me. And he was declared dead on arrival at the hospital that day. Oh fuck, it was literally the day before he turned 45. Oh my God, did you know that that's how Marvin Gaye died? No, I didn't At all. No, daddy, just couldn't, did you?
Speaker 2:know that that's how Marvin Gaye died. No, I didn't At all. No, daddy, just couldn't fucking take, it Couldn't take it.
Speaker 1:And it's crazy because it's like it's almost from the start that this was going to happen eventually.
Speaker 2:Well, it's like you know, you aspire to please your father and you can never get there. You can't get there and then he murders you, murders you. What the fuck kind of salad is that? Right, god?
Speaker 1:Well, marvin Sr. He would claim that Marvin Jr had lost his shit and he was just protecting himself from his son who was high on cocaine. What was also found? That Marvin Sr had a walnut-sized tumor on his brain. But it was known, and he had said it on many occasions publicly, that if Marvin Jr ever raised a hand to him, he would kill him.
Speaker 2:Really, and it's just that's fucking horrible. That's fucking horrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, jr did some shit. Oh yeah, junior did some shit. Oh, he did a lot of shit he didn't take care of a lot of shit, but he didn't really do shit to bring up something like that. He didn't. He set his dad up for fucking success, gave him a house all of his lifestyle.
Speaker 1:Even Marvin's successful life was just in pure turmoil the whole time. He was always in debt. He was always in debt.
Speaker 2:He was always in drama, so while he was home from tour the tour was a break.
Speaker 1:He was abusive himself. There was a getaway, yeah yeah, and he became abusive himself. He was abusive to Anna.
Speaker 2:He was abusive to Janice, I could see the whole coming home afterwards and there were other side pieces. Like you, do your tour and you come home afterwards, like you do your tour and you come home and it's just drama, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, and there was other side pieces that would come out and say that he had mistreated them as well. Marvin Jr.
Speaker 2:Oh, he was slinging everywhere. So yeah, he was slinging the sexual healing. So it gives his music just a little bit of a different, a little dirt, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:When let's Get it On came out and he was dating Janice like she was 17 years old, and he was singing that about her yeah, or he was singing that to her, oh, not about her, because he had already written it before then. And he was dicking down everybody in the whole country, but every song that came out after him and Janice got together was for her.
Speaker 2:Like he was. He was kind of infatuated with her Very much with Janice.
Speaker 1:Yes, her, like he was, he was kind of infatuated with very much with janice, yes, okay, so thousands would attend the soul singer's funeral, including, uh, both of his ex-wives and children, and his band played his music and I think it was like an 18 piece band, like he had this a huge band right that played behind him brothers were there too, probably.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ste Stevie Wonder and Smokey Robinson both sang and the next day he was cremated and his ashes were spread by his family along the sea. Wow. As for Marvin Sr, his tumor was removed and he was deemed fit to stand trial for the murder of his son, but he continued to say that the shooting was in self-defense. After 49 years of marriage, alberta, she was done Finally. Yeah, he killed her son, but she did post his bail. Oh, yeah, wow, she says okay. So in the book that I listened to, it's called Soul Divided. I think I already said it once in this episode, but I definitely encourage our listeners to either read it or listen to it on audible. That's where I found it was on audible. It's really good.
Speaker 1:There's a there's a difference between love and Stockholm, I guess, yeah, where you just live, she was in that era where you just didn't divorce your fucking husband, you just took what came out to you, like we've talked about in our you know.
Speaker 2:That's why, well, that's why I said that it was just like there's a difference between love and just being so completely complicit with all the drama and everything. You can't get away from it and you just go back to it because that's your livelihood, I guess we'll check this out.
Speaker 1:He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and only got five years probation for the murder of his son. And an iconic singer. Wow. Five years probation.
Speaker 2:For killing. I mean, Marvin did some shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was some drama.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was toxic as well.
Speaker 2:Wasn't worthy of murder, he was raised in toxicity. And it's also said, wasn't worthy of murder.
Speaker 1:He was raised in toxicity and it's also said, wasn't worthy of it.
Speaker 2:What's?
Speaker 1:also said To me that Marvin Sr Was raised in a very abusive home himself.
Speaker 2:The most dramatic thing, so it just kept on going. Yeah, there was nothing too dramatic to go. Get in your car and fucking go away. Nothing, you walk away and if and if somebody's beating your ass while you're walking out the door, just keep fucking walking, just leave.
Speaker 1:And if you can't impress your father by being a childhood prodigy of music from a young age, don't try to impress him anymore.
Speaker 2:You can't. He's unimpressable. Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 1:Fuck his opinion. If he's still going to continue to treat you like shit the rest of your life and down you for how you're making your money, fuck his opinion.
Speaker 2:Always be prideful of your children, even if they're being little, shitty assholes. Be prideful in moments you know. Make them know that they are accepted. Make them know that, no matter what they do, they're allowed to. They're allowed to mess up, but they're also appreciated and loved. Always look at them and show them that you're proud of them, no matter what.
Speaker 1:Well, that's like when I have rough days with Silas. He'll still ask me at the end of the day if there's something cool that he's done. Are you proud of me? And I will tell him. I'm very, very proud of your creativity, but we need to work on your respect and your actions towards me and your father, because those need to be corrected. But your creativity is on point.
Speaker 2:We always support the pride of his creativity and just his self, like his and just life and livelihood and what he comes up with. We're proud of that. But you're allowed to be disciplined, you're allowed to be, you know, a kid and you got to learn and that's all I always bring it back to is just teaching.
Speaker 1:Right, but that concludes our story of Marvin Gaye Jr.
Speaker 2:RIP.
Speaker 1:Yes, ip yes.
Speaker 2:And I love it.
Speaker 1:Rest in peace because you sure didn't have any while you were on earth.
Speaker 2:No, and I'm so sorry for that. No peace, no peace, no peace, no peace. Well, thank you, lindsay. You are something else over here. You're trying to throw shade at one of my favorite genres of music. But, I love it.
Speaker 1:He wasn't. Barry Gordy could have been a different person too, I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:Thank you guys for listening so much.
Speaker 1:There's also one more audio book that I started. I didn't finish, but it gave me a lot of insight into Janice. It's called my Life with Marvin Gaye by Janice Gaye and it's really good. I mean what I listened to so far. I listened to the entire book of A Soul Divided. It's about six hours on Audible.
Speaker 2:I get so charismatic when it comes to music because I love Marvin Gaye.
Speaker 1:I love.
Speaker 2:Johnny Cash.
Speaker 1:This is our second artist that we've done so far, and we're going to do more because we're very passionate about music.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm on team. We were on team Cash. That is one of your favorite groups ever. Johnny Cash is your favorite artist ever. Marvin Gaye was one of my favorite and it's because of his story.
Speaker 1:It's so fascinating to me, yeah, and this one was too, because I'm like these iconic artists that we follow and this talent that we praise and worship. They are just human.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're just human beings and looking at the big picture and touring and what it takes to actually get on that stage, I understand all of the drama and the bullshit Well, and sometimes it's hell for them just to put their art out into the world. It's a lot for them to deal with and they can't?
Speaker 1:some humans, talented or not, cannot deal with what the world demands of them after fame? Right and okay. So the book that Janice has put out. It's called After the Dance my Life with Marvin Gaye by Janice Gaye, and it's really good what I listened to so far. I'm going to continue listening to it.
Speaker 2:So check all that out.
Speaker 1:And that one is almost eight hours, wow, yeah, it's on Audible, but Divided Soul is from front to finish amazing, wow.
Speaker 2:That's really good. Thank you, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:You're welcome.
Speaker 2:I want to try to play some music now. What band are we plugging this week? I have a cool-ass band. A-i-t-a is AIDA.
Speaker 1:I'm just excited about it or AIDA.
Speaker 2:AIDA, but they're fucking phenomenal. Oh I excited. Or aida, aida, but they're fucking phenomenal. Oh, I'm excited to hear I got this cool ass song called out of reach, so I'm gonna play that shit right now. You guys, check it out and follow this band. We're gonna share the link and all that stuff. Check them out, check them out. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2:And dress up and stretch out and keep on bleeding. It's all worth the effort. You kill time, you rewind, you stay busy in your life. Anything to stop you from sitting and listening this here means everything to me. My years went trying to be and I've been chasing after sleep To reach a dream barely out of reach. Get up once more. I know that you're unsure and try to outrun your Incessant dilemmas.
Speaker 1:I may want to give up Undated projections and try to keep up With all of these pressures. This here means everything to me.
Speaker 2:Right here is where I'm trying to be and I've been chasing endlessly. To reach a dream that we are out of reach, out, out out of reach, out, out out of reach, just here, means everything to me. Right here is where I'm trying to be, and I've been chasing after the dream To reach a dream barely out of reach, guitar solo. So so, lindsay, I love that sound, it is so beautiful.
Speaker 1:Very cool, very groovy.
Speaker 2:Very cool. It was like dancing with ghosts.
Speaker 1:But reach out to us and let us know how to pronounce you guys correctly.
Speaker 2:A-I-T-A.
Speaker 1:I want to say A-I-D-A.
Speaker 2:Yeah, out of Baltimore. Yep, they're based out of Baltimore.
Speaker 1:Their bio says that they're Baltimore-based, a high-energy pop-punk band that burst onto the scene in September of 2023.
Speaker 2:I have to bring up Dancing with Ghosts because that's a Jacksonville band. That's just phenomenal. Just love that style of music. It's so energetic, so fun. Pop punk with a girly twist. I love it. Really good stuff. Come down to florida and play with dancing with ghost, yeah that'd be cool, yeah, I mean baltimore is quite a bit of ways.
Speaker 1:Are we gonna go through baltimore?
Speaker 2:we are going through baltimore when we go to maine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that'll be in september. We'll take you guys with us.
Speaker 2:We're taking you guys with us, we're going to, we're going to talk about Lizzie Borden that week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's my plan.
Speaker 2:I bought Lindsay A bedroom.
Speaker 1:We're going to have to take some sage Even though, in Lindsay's bedroom.
Speaker 2:We're staying in Lindsay's bedroom, lindsay.
Speaker 1:Yes, bedroom lindsey. Yes, I know, stay in it, I have my opinions on lizzie.
Speaker 2:So I'm not really scared actually about that. Thank you, I'm not scared about that. I was scared about buying the bed of lindsey's in lindsey's bedroom.
Speaker 1:I don't think lizzie did it, but so I'm not really scared.
Speaker 2:But I don't know anything about it, so I know, yeah, I don't but lindsey's gonna be standing in lindsey's bedroom, lizzie, lizzie. She's staying in Lizzie's bedroom.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I'm probably saying that now it was Lizzie and her sister's bedroom right, yes, yeah, I bought her a room. Emma, I think Is that right In Lizzie and Emma's bedroom. Yes, and we're going to do a pod.
Speaker 2:We're going up to Maine and we're coming back and the biggest thing is we're going to Salem. She loves Salem.
Speaker 1:Yes, I want to go to Salem so bad.
Speaker 2:But the bomb I dropped on Lindsey is. We're staying in Lizzie's bedroom.
Speaker 1:But you know what I want to do If this reaches you guys. So, elena and Ash from Morbid, jake Brennan from Disgraceland I know both of y'all are Boston-based Hit me up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to meet you guys so bad, come and hang out at the Borden house with us.
Speaker 1:Fuck.
Speaker 2:But the band was amazing, dude.
Speaker 1:So Elena and Ash stayed there as well.
Speaker 2:I'm so happy that I find these groups and sharing their music from all over the world. Now we're all global. I know we're all global.
Speaker 1:I know we're global, it's kind of intimidating but awesome all at the same time.
Speaker 2:Thank you, guys for following us all the way to this point. Share and like DrinkAboutSomethingsite, but I want to plug our email again DrinkAboutSomethingPod at gmailcom.
Speaker 1:Send us your stories, send us cases that you want us to cover, because Jesse knows nothing. No, I really don't Even if he knows a little bit about it, he doesn't know much about it. So what story do you want to hear me tell Jesse? That's going to just break his soul.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was broken a little bit about this. I'm really missing the songs that Marvin could have put out after this.
Speaker 1:And would you have? I mean, you would have never thought that his own father was the cause of his death, and it's about time for the recreation.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know that Marvin Gaye was dead, so like after so many years you have recreations like Swing Music came back.
Speaker 1:And he died when we were mere babies.
Speaker 2:Motown's got to come back. Motown needs to come back.
Speaker 1:It kind of did a little bit you know here and there, but we need a full-on motown comeback for jesse. You know what? I'm hearing a lot that's coming. The new wave sound is really popular with that, with the young, with the young again remember the band orgy that came back well like I'm talking about right now but that was like some metal style.
Speaker 2:But we need a full-on new wave. But I want full-on fucking Motown dude, I want it to come back for a while it will. And people doing just groups and playing big band orchestrated fucking grooving music. Needs to come back Some funk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Motown needs to come back with the awareness that we have today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how to treat people. Yeah, that was great Good story, lindsay, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I got my rattle cup because, yeah, I'm still drinking about this, because this story like it, it saddened me, it really did me too.
Speaker 2:It really did and I was kind of plugging a whole bunch because I'm on team Motown and I'm somber right now because we missed an icon that shouldn't have went away.
Speaker 1:I always because I have OK. So I don't agree with everything that my father taught me at growing up. I don't agree with all of those beliefs, but I still had a great caring father. So it really saddens me, like even with my older three boys. It really saddens me when a man has a father that's not good to them, or anybody a man or a woman that are constantly trying to seek that person's approval that they'll never get, because that person is just a selfish, awful human.
Speaker 2:I support that approval because you don't want that to be a backlash for later on child.
Speaker 1:You support that approval? What do you mean?
Speaker 2:I support approving kids.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:As far as you know what I'm saying, Like you want, you want. You're saying that you want to approve the kids, not your parents approval, Like you had a. You know I had some drama and stuff growing up and started out, but but I always fall back on yes, we do support you, we do love you, we do approve of you. You're, you're, validated you know, and you got to do that and but you got to let them be creative.
Speaker 1:We let our son be too creative, sometimes without being positively constructive, and we've let his creativity and his awesomeness cloud our punishment, sometimes, of things that he's done wrong we do.
Speaker 2:Because we want him around us, because he's so awesome.
Speaker 1:He's so cool but he's got things to work on. But that's just being a kid and we're working on it and it can really get to me at times, because I've had such issues out of all my children. It puts a toll on you. Yeah, as far as kid struggles.
Speaker 2:let us know what your kid's struggles are too, Because ours is 11.
Speaker 1:Our, youngest Child together, our child together. And the youngest Mine, the youngest of four, at 11, he is creative beyond the point of adulthood sometimes, but he struggles with academics.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so that's the problem, because we do homeschooling and Lindsay helps out so much with that, and it's a tough struggle, it is. It's a tough struggle, it is.
Speaker 1:Especially when I'm trying to keep a structure and a schedule the same as a school day, even though we get done with our stuff much quicker than a school day, because I'm teaching one child, not 30. So that makes spread out, spread out. Just getting him to stay focused for those two hours makes me really appreciate what his teachers in the past have went through, where they have six hours of my child.
Speaker 2:But on our side we always stay positively motivated.
Speaker 1:Teachers aren't paid enough.
Speaker 2:No, they're not, lindsay, they're not. But hey, thank you guys for tuning in so much. We love all the fans and follow-ups and feedbacks and all the F-words.
Speaker 1:Yes, Followers feedbacks.
Speaker 2:And fuckery, because Lindsey be throwing some fuckery here. We'll see you guys next Friday. We're going to talk about some Rockville shit, yes, and we're going to play a band and there's going to be some vocals from one of the bands that's going to be on there. So I'm excited.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and next week we're going to talk about a DID case. Ooh.
Speaker 1:So we'll tie that in A dissociative identity disorder case, which I haven't really done yet. Oh, there's been. I think that there's been some people who have undiagnosedly is that a word Suffered from that issue because it was early and it wasn't talked about very much. But this is a case that, um, it changed a lot of the new ways that we do. Um, you know that we try things because this person so I'm going to just give a little hint develop 2500 personalities what the fuck lindsey.
Speaker 1:So our next case we're going to be talking about.
Speaker 2:I'm excited about that, to hear the salad of that deal.
Speaker 1:We'll see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 2:And we'll be at Rockville and it's going to be your summer vibe, so I want you guys to tune in and we will see you guys next.
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