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EPISODE 31: The 2,500 Faces of Jeni Haynes
The human mind's capacity to protect itself is both remarkable and haunting. When four-year-old Jeni Haynes began suffering unimaginable abuse at the hands of her father, her developing brain created an extraordinary defense mechanism – dissociating into multiple personalities. Not just a few, but an astonishing 2,500 distinct alters emerged to help her survive seven years of torture.
Symphony, a perpetually four-year-old girl, became the first alter to shield Jeni from the worst of the trauma. Each personality had their own appearance, voice, and role – from Little Ricky who decided which alter would take over during abuse, to Muscles who remained calm in the face of horror. These weren't just psychological constructs; scientific studies have shown that in DID cases, brain waves physically change as alters take control.
The physical damage inflicted on Jeni was as devastating as the psychological. Permanent injuries to her eyesight, jaw, bowels, and reproductive system left her unable to have children and dependent on a colostomy bag. Yet for decades, her desperate attempts to find help were met with disbelief or overwhelmed therapists who couldn't handle the severity of her case.
Justice finally became possible in 2009 when Detective Paul Stamolis and psychiatrist Dr. George Blair-West believed her story. In a groundbreaking court case a decade later, Jeni's alters took turns testifying against her father, providing detailed memories that her primary personality couldn't access. After just two hours of this extraordinary testimony, her father changed his plea to guilty and received a 45-year sentence.
Jeni's story reveals both the darkest aspects of humanity and the incredible resilience of the human spirit. By sharing her experience, she's helped advance understanding of DID and shown that healing – while never complete – is possible even after the most profound trauma. What would you do if your mind was your only safe haven, and even that was invaded?
Hey, Jesse.
Speaker 2:Lindsey, I'm fucking excited and hello.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I know we can't stop talking about it.
Speaker 2:We just spent 30 minutes planning out our schedule for the lineup at Rockville. Yes, and I'm excited. There's like five key bands and the rest of them I mean we've seen many a times but I'm excited and as long as I get those key bands I'm good.
Speaker 1:So what we're going to do, guys, is we're going to give y'all a little rundown of everybody that we're going to see and then on Sunday, but it'll come out, we'll put it out on Wednesday. You want to do that? Yeah, okay, a little early.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe Thursday.
Speaker 1:We'll do a recap of our experience with all these bands, bands which, most of them, we have already seen, but every time it's something different and we can't wait to see them again so, and if you are catching this on a wednesday or thursday whenever as soon as I put it out and you're catching it check us out at the orange lot.
Speaker 2:We'll be doing a little pod there on sunday at 10 o'clock in the morning so you can come and check us out. Come, hang hang out. Listen to the story Lindsay has for that too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, we're going to put this episode out on. This episode will be out on Friday, so we'll already be day two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll already be at Rockville, at Rockville, yeah.
Speaker 1:So if you're there, come check us out. We'll be at the Orange Lot. We will have our 10 year anniversary flag and our drink about something, pod flag flying in the wind, flying in the wind around, around turn four area.
Speaker 1:So yes, our, our bestie is going to get our camping spot for us so we can meet there on Thursday. But this is our little rundown of who all we are going to see, rundown of who all we are going to see. So on thursday our first band will be uh, so we're going to check out blue october crossfade. Yes, they're back. Yes, all right. Um, guar, guar is always a good time. Uh, we're going to do a little bit. So we came as romans and arch enemy are actually like very close to each other, so we're going to hang a little bit. So we came as Romans and arch enemy are actually like very close to each other, so we're going to hang out towards the back of both of those sets. We're not going to really fight for a real spot and then asking Alexandria because we love, we love us some Danny Warr's.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:And then the Dillinger escape plan, rob's zombie, and yes, and that'll be it for Thursday, and then we'll be running back to camp to get shower time and then on Friday our first band is Left to Suffer. Listen, you guys, if y'all love heavy deathcore, like I do please.
Speaker 2:I told her I was like you can't step away from Will Ramos a little bit.
Speaker 1:I will never step away.
Speaker 2:You're not stepping away, but you're giving them more attention. What?
Speaker 1:did I tell you earlier? I said I'm just adding Left to Suffer to the roster.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, okay Because.
Speaker 1:Lorna Short. So Will Ramos, and fucking Alex. Terrible, that's my boy.
Speaker 2:But you're giving them the attention now and even fucking fronds, we're gonna see bear tooth.
Speaker 1:yes hold on, I'm getting there, okay. So first band on Friday is Left to Suffer, and then Butcher Babies. Those are our girls, we love them hello, hello.
Speaker 2:Silas, got to meet one of them too.
Speaker 1:Yes, I have a picture on the frame that you got me for Mother's Day. By the way, ladies, if you're listening and you have children or you have fur babies, happy mother's day happy mother's day this will have already been out, but happy belated mother's day and we hope you had a great one.
Speaker 1:I had a great one we hope you had some brunch I already got her, already got lindsey some gifts yes, uh, I actually have to work a double on mother's day, but, um, anyway, we celebrated this morning with my bloody mary's from one love cafe where we got and we've seen somebody awesome there that we'll be featuring later.
Speaker 2:Yes, Yay.
Speaker 1:So then we're going to check out Candlebox Era Bush, ginger and Sublime are simultaneously playing together. So we have seen Ginger many, many, many times, but I love my girl, tatiana, and I cannot skip out on her performance. And it's time for Sublime. Yeah, so we're going to watch half of Ginger's set and then we're going to run over and check out Sublime, because Bradley's son yeah, god, it has come full circle.
Speaker 2:He's a whole vibe. He's a whole vibe, we're alive for that. Yeah. For the whole circle we were alive for both.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and then we're gonna check out. Uh, kill, switch, engage, good charlotte's fucking fine, we're gonna end the night with one of the best performances we have ever watched in our life at louder than life, which was green day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm telling y'all, you have not seen a show Lindsay, we have to be over a thousand bands in.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and Green Day is number fucking one on performance show.
Speaker 3:And you know who's second for me.
Speaker 1:Weezer, weezer.
Speaker 2:Weezer Was so good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, girl, very chill, very good time, very nostalgic.
Speaker 2:That's so much of our DNA, and then we finally met that it didn't take much, and seeing three we knocked out.
Speaker 1:When we went to Louder Than Life in Kentucky, we knocked out what like eight bucket list bands. Yeah, all in like within four days. It was a magical experience for us 311.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what yeah.
Speaker 1:So on. Saturday yeah, yes, On Saturday we're going to. Our first band will be upon a burning body of mice and men P O D. We can never skip out on a POD set.
Speaker 2:Those are my bros. Like they will, they will come and they will party with the people and then after the burial.
Speaker 1:that's another really heavy hitter for me.
Speaker 2:I need to post that video of us Well, of me. You weren't there that time, but I got to hang out with the DJ. He was the DJ, but he was the guitar player for POD. And I got to meet Sonny the singer.
Speaker 1:And we just seen them. We're going to see them again.
Speaker 2:Yes, every time.
Speaker 1:And then Beartooth, which is one of our favorite bands to see live and just sing along with, because we know every fucking song, yeah, and we just have a great time with Beartooth.
Speaker 2:I don't know how we're going to do a pod on Sunday after all this shit.
Speaker 1:We're going to do it Because we're good.
Speaker 2:We're resilient. We're at Rockville right now.
Speaker 1:And then I Prevail.
Speaker 2:We've been singing our asses off.
Speaker 1:Incubus.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Incubus too.
Speaker 1:We're going, and then a little bit of Linkin Park yeah, with the new female singer.
Speaker 2:So in videos and all that's going to be coming too. We're going to put it all together.
Speaker 1:Make sure you follow our Instagram so you can go to Rockville with us. Literally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it'll be on our YouTube as well, so follow Link, like, share all the L's and S's and everything.
Speaker 2:And then, last but not least, on Sunday we're going to see a band that Jesse has been just dying to see, first off and foremost, snot yes, rip Lynn straight, one of the fucking foremost onsetters for new metal. Like when he was on the Oz fest, everybody was just up. They were astonished by his talent, his personality, the amazing human being he was. Rip Lynn Strait. Thank you so much for having a great front man and getting back together. Snot, yeah, they really. They set the tone for what we like now. They really did.
Speaker 1:And then after that we're going to check out Attack attack which was caleb shomo from beartooth. That was the first band that he was in. He started that band. He started playing with that man when he was 13 years old the keyboard right, he was keyboard and he did backing vocals.
Speaker 2:He did this, yeah so that was like warp tour times, like early work for yeah and attack. Attack is great, like their music fucking slaps and acdc's killing it, and Metallica is killing it, and now we're on the loudest month and welcome to Rockville.
Speaker 1:Listen, james Hetfield, like all of them boys, all of them guys, even Lars, I know everybody's got shitty shit to say about Lars. We have seen them and I do suggest trying to catch them at a festival, because you get more bang for your buck.
Speaker 2:Sorry, we're so giddy about all this. You can fast forward.
Speaker 1:If you're not into all this, whatever, because she has an amazing ass story, but we're gonna finish up our rockville geeking because we've been geeking about this and we're super geek but we want you guys to come with us, and we know that a lot of our listeners listen to the same jams as us so, yeah, well, it's from sub, from Sublime, to Death Metal.
Speaker 1:So that's what it is, and then we have to see our boy LeJean from Seven Dots, lj and Morgan Rose. Oh yeah, those guys have just been a big part of our lives for the last 10 years. So much of Silas' world too.
Speaker 2:I mean, silas got dusted. We were in Jacksonville and me and Silas were wearing.
Speaker 1:Pop-up show.
Speaker 2:It was a pop-up hurricane party there was a hurricane, yeah. And LJ and all the boys from Seven Dust.
Speaker 1:By the way, if y'all don't know how Floridians roll, you get a concert when a hurricane's coming at a pop-up underbelly show Some of our hurricane parties are amazing rock shows that bands couldn't play down south or wherever, and they would show up near your town and you'd just go because, like holy shit, seven dust in a place the size of my house. I'm there, you know, and then we're gonna see seven hours after violet, which you said has shavo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, the bass player from system of a down.
Speaker 1:He's so cool. He's also in that uh ice night, the terrifier song for ice nine kills, what the fuck is it called?
Speaker 2:some. So he's making some moves. A work of art, work of art. Yeah, he's making some cool moves. It's like they just every song they have is fucking fair To see his ass up on stage doing that creepy thing.
Speaker 1:Yes, he's bald-headed.
Speaker 2:I love it. He's fucking rocking dude.
Speaker 1:He's so awesome and their check them out before we go. But then we're gonna see Motionless. And why, hello, chris Motionless? We love you, I love it. Then we're gonna check out Tsunami, because I just got on that train recently. Jesse needs to check them out too. Then we're gonna see the legendary Mudvayne. Mudvayne, marilyn Manson, bad Omens, insane Clown Posse. And we're gonna finish the weekend off with the Insane Clown Posse and we're gonna finish the weekend off with the Davis, jonathan Davis and Fieldy and Head. And what's the drummer's name? David.
Speaker 1:David, yeah oh my god, I love those guys so much. I love Korn they will never I can listen you left Monkey out oh, I forgot Monkey. I'm sorry that's my favorite Head, you know, monkey's my favorite, monkey's your favorite and I love Fieldy Fieldy's my boy.
Speaker 2:Well, when I seen him back in 95, he gave me a towel and a guitar pick one time.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, that's such a good performance. I was actually at. Some of their sets from Sonic Temple are already on TikTok and I was scrolling through last night See you do that and I don't want to know.
Speaker 2:I don't want to know. Everybody likes to do?
Speaker 1:No, I don't, it just came up in my FYP.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you're not doing the set list thing. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:I already know Korn's set list. I know what they're going to play every fucking time.
Speaker 2:Except was it the debut album front to finish, and that was fucking magical.
Speaker 1:That was first time I'd ever seen them. Like a little girl, I know, I was like shut up, I want to hear john davis and I'm singing. I'm like, okay, this is my moment, okay, I just wanted to. That was my first time seeing jd and I it was beautiful.
Speaker 2:well, you got to think, though, how nostalgic was that for me before they were even really big right, so that's deeply. Well, that's like like when we saw gender before they were even really big Right, so that's deeply ingrained.
Speaker 1:Well, that's like when we saw Ginger before they were really big.
Speaker 2:Well, imagine 30 years from now and you had not seen them. And we've seen Beartooth before. They were really big, so many bands we've watched come up. We've watched Beartooth go from a 12 o'clock spot to now a 7.30 spot at Rockville and poor old Seven Dust has been leading this thing forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 1:And they're always like 3.30.
Speaker 2:Why aren't they closing? But no, they're like 6.30 this year. Yeah, 7dust needs, but they put in the work, the recognition they should be headlining to me. But I don't know. I'm just saying Happy Friday.
Speaker 1:Happy Friday. We're going to roll that intro and we're going to get started with all of our the rest of our bullshit.
Speaker 2:We got to keep on going. We got to do this thing, yeah, but listen follow us on Instagram.
Speaker 1:Drink about something so you can go with us to Rockville. Yeah. Literally you know and Attila's going to be there. We are going to have to miss him because we got to go see Bear Tooth.
Speaker 2:But we're going to play his voice on this podcast, so just letting you guys know. So excited for Rockville, yeah, this is bumping again. I love it. We were bumping last week too on here.
Speaker 1:So I didn't ask you because we were so giddy about spilling our guts about Rockville. What are you drinking today?
Speaker 2:You know what, Lindsay? I drank it all.
Speaker 1:Do you need a refill? Yeah, how's our time? We got time. We got a minute. Okay, a couple minutes.
Speaker 2:But no, I drank it all but and I need to refill here in just a minute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I've got that black cherry blam-ba-lam Vista Bay.
Speaker 2:It's Evan Williams' cherry with Coke, so it's a cherry cone.
Speaker 1:Okay, cherry Cherry. Cheers to the cherries.
Speaker 2:Yes, and Lindsey's going to fire off this monster of a thing right here.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go through my spiel real quick and then we're going to fire off.
Speaker 2:But I'm out of drink, so we need to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're about to have a little break and then we're going to come back and we're going to do our thing. I might as well get me another one too and take a pee break.
Speaker 2:I am your father. Oh yeah, I hope you guys had a great May the 4th, yes, and I hope you had a great Mother's Day.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And I hope you had a great May. The 6th, yes, and I hope you had a great.
Speaker 1:Mother's Day, yes, and I hope you had a great May, the 6th, 8th of May, the 8th of May.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so the 4th, the 6th May is where it's at man, may is everything, may is.
Speaker 1:I think May is our favorite day. Yes, may is our favorite month.
Speaker 2:But May is my favorite day, my favorite day.
Speaker 1:We get festivals, all the cool memes. It's the loudest month in North America. Yeah, the loudest month in North America and something takes a part of me and pour some sugar on me.
Speaker 2:I am so out of key today.
Speaker 1:It's all good, all right. So if you are new here, this is episode 31. 31, 31 and what we do is we have a drink. I can't rattle mine, rattle your cup. Did you get a refill?
Speaker 1:I don't want to rattle it okay okay, anyway, we have a drink, we talk about true crime and at the end of the episode we plug a band that jesse has sought out and got permission to play them. At the end we plug them because we're digging them and we think you should listen to them as well. Is that good? Yes, and my ultimate goal is to just break Jesse into fetal position. I have been broken so much. This one, this one is going to be a little bit shorter of a case, but it is a. It has huge impact. But before we just wanted to recap real quick on the Motown thing. So me and Jesse were sitting on the back porch last week and we were like going through all the Motown um artists after we covered Marvin Gaye and guess who we found out was on the Motown label Bruce, motherfucking Willis.
Speaker 2:Yes, we did, Lindsay we did yes.
Speaker 1:Aren't you glad I put it in my notes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess that makes me feel old on it.
Speaker 1:Yes, what does make you feel old, bruce? Fucking Willis not being on Motown I know he is, well, he is on Motown. But you didn't know, check that shit out. We didn't know he could sing and it was good, and it was really good, we were jamming on our back porch, we listened to a bunch of shit from him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, why Didn't I remember that we were back porch cooking and we were jamming. Motown, we and we were jamming to Bruce.
Speaker 1:Bruce, yeah, we were jamming to roost watching Bruce Willis waste the time away. But yeah, I mean I could not believe he could. I mean that just blew my. I said Jesse, google says that Bruce Willis is on Motown records. So we pulled up Spotify, we pulled up Motown's greatest hits and Bruce Willis was right there and we fucking listened to it and it was nice, it was good it was a good jam and I say things like you know I wish Motown would come back, but people like Bruno Mars and things like that, motown's still here, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Motown is not left, oh yeah, motown's going to go on forever. Even it's going to go on forever.
Speaker 1:Even though they have some dark roots, we love their music, but there's a lot of dark shit behind artistry and musicianship.
Speaker 2:We could dig for days.
Speaker 1:Yes, we could dig for days. So that's what made you feel old. So what makes me feel old this week?
Speaker 2:I mean, actually, I really don't feel. Fucking old Lindsay, we got Rockville coming up. I know I'm going to rock that shit, but the only I forgot to mention it.
Speaker 1:Last week I was re, I was recapping, I was listening to our episode, making sure everything was good and I was like I forgot to say what made me feel old.
Speaker 1:So do two Well I only have the one still, I only have the one still. So in the, in the. So I start my day, I work out, I teach my kid, I do some chores, I research cases, and then I don't have to be at work until three. So if I get in the shower by 1.45, that's just enough time to get ready and get to work right at three o'clock on the nose. So I take me a little break from one to 1.45. Sometimes I just sit there and play our little match game and then sometimes I'll take a little quick nap. But I don't take a nap like normal people do, like I lay across the bed and for the last two weeks when I get up from that my back tweaks. Oh, don't do that then.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm like maybe I need to do a different position.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I'd be scared if I lay down and got real comfortable my position. I'd be scared if I lay down and got real comfortable my ass would be a work I would miss work.
Speaker 1:I wanted to do yeah, you would. I wanted to do a quick shout out to One Love Cafe. They have the best. They're in Gainesville, they have the best vibe, the best brunch, the.
Speaker 2:Bloody Mary mixes are on fire.
Speaker 1:What was it Texas?
Speaker 2:The pickle one.
Speaker 1:It's a texas extra spicy pickle vodka.
Speaker 2:So they make a pickle rick pickle rick is what they're, yeah, with their bloody mary and I could have sat there and drank four of them, motherfuckers I drank two and then we hung out for a while because lindsey wants to say it so jesse found um an artist that we're going to feature on a later date.
Speaker 1:Her name's Fariza. Look her up on Instagram. Out of Gainesville area, her handle is at ForRealFariza and she's beautiful. And then she opened her mouth to sing. She was playing live today, live music at One Love she was doing covers, and she was covering the best songs too, and she opened her mouth and this beautiful I had chills amazing voice came out, like I stopped in my tracks.
Speaker 1:I was going to get round two of the bloody marys and I was blown away. And then we hung out. We had a good. I could have stayed there all day at jesse yeah if we didn't have to come home and do this, that's what I was saying I was like I want a one love day where we just hang out all day long. Yeah, have two meals.
Speaker 2:If you're ever in the Gainesville area and love brunch, go to One Love. Check it out. The bands are phenomenal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're slowly making our way through their whole menu. I've had the steak and eggs, the banana walnut French toast. We've both had the chicken and waffles. We both had the omelets. I got Mediterranean, he got Southwestern.
Speaker 2:And we had the avocado toast, we had the avocado toast.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:And I was just like I don't give a fuck, Give it to me and it's good. Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 1:And yeah, because it has like tomatoes, spinach, feta and an egg right on top feta and an egg all right on top, and don't go asleep on the potatoes. The potato is the greatest and the cheese grits, yeah. And then our grandbabies got chocolate chip waffles and um fruit waffle and I had a bite of all of that and that shit was like.
Speaker 2:It was amazing too like they went ape shit after that well, it was cool, because it's a cool little, yeah it has things to do.
Speaker 1:It's really cool and I just, uh, opened up a pineapple this today. So one more thing I want to talk about this couple that I've been following on TikTok for a while now. Their names are Mario Morante and then Bryn Bryn just goes by Bryn. They are a couple who actually met through TikTok and they have a huge following between the both of them. They're huge influencers and they just recently went. They just started a podcast called Pretty Funny, because she's pretty and he's funny Awesome. But they went to Coachella and they talked about all their performances, that they, or all the performances that they went and saw Guess who was their number one over Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2:Over Lady Gaga.
Speaker 1:Fucking Green Day. So these people have my heart?
Speaker 2:No, I mean honestly, lindsay, because we haven't seen Lady Gaga. I kind of want to put her above that. That's a unicorn.
Speaker 1:They saw her and they still put Green Day above Lady Gaga, Above Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're doing karaoke at Rockville.
Speaker 1:we're gonna sing some yes, wait, listen, lady gaga is my very not guilty. What is your?
Speaker 2:owner the owner's lot right yeah karaoke bar and I'm going, we're doing this, but that and they were.
Speaker 1:They broke down like how much they loved it because they're in their 20s and 30s Mario's in his 30s, she's in her late 20s. This couple I would love to hang out with and I'm going to tag them in this episode because I want them to hear it and I want y'all to know that we love Green Day too, just like that. Yes, and we completely agree. And if y'all ever want to go to a festival in the non-bougie matter because they were talking about how they went influencer style, like a VIP, everything oh yeah, but how they actually wanted to be in the pits and all that shit.
Speaker 3:Do it If you ever want to go.
Speaker 1:GA style camping. Hit me and Jesse up.
Speaker 2:We will show you the best time that you will ever have at a festival we do not mind at all getting in the grid of it, and that's where it's really at.
Speaker 1:Don't ever lose that we will show you how to clean a porta potty to where it is not stinky and nice.
Speaker 2:We'll show you how to stagger in and zombie out and zombie out yes, and I mean we will show you the best time.
Speaker 1:So hit us up, Mario and Brent. But other than that, I'm going to get started on this wild ass case.
Speaker 2:You should fire, yes, fire, fire, fire. Lindsay, I'm excited and go ahead and fire.
Speaker 1:Alright, so I don't know about you guys and I don't know about you Jesse, but I really love a movie or a show that portrays someone with multiple personalities.
Speaker 2:So, with being with me this long, you don't know.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? My eyes twitching?
Speaker 2:You know that's just. If they do it the right way, it's going to be exciting yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, you never watched United States of Tara and that's what really got me on that whole fascination, because honestly, I thought it was more and, like watching Sybil and Split and things like that, I thought it was more of a Hollywood thing.
Speaker 3:And like Dr Jekyll, and Mr.
Speaker 1:Hyde. Yeah, I thought it was more of a Hollywood type prognosis.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you didn't really know. It was like a whole thing to actually envelop all this into a criminal, realistic thing.
Speaker 1:That's what I was just about to say. I had no idea about what really happens. I'm going to love all that because it's just so chaotic and it's going to keep you on your toes the whole time. Well, like I said, I had no idea about what happens to a real person that has NPD or DID, which is dissociative identity disorder, and how their brain develops alters to deal with extensive trauma in their life. So it's actually, like I said, I've been fascinated with the concept, but the more I dug into this, like my heart hurts.
Speaker 2:So in personalities, they dissociate what they associate to as being an entity in their mind Right.
Speaker 1:And this is I want y'all to understand that this is not a bullshit diagnosis. I want y'all to understand that this is not a bullshit diagnosis. They have done studies where actually a person will when they go into an altar. There is different brainwaves going on. There has been cases where one person that had DID his actual person did not have diabetes, but one of his alters did.
Speaker 2:Well, have you watched anything on real court activity where you see somebody defending their self and they're asking them questions and you see them click from different things?
Speaker 1:I have not watched that in real life, no.
Speaker 2:I feel like we kind of watched it with Johnny Depp and Emma Hurd a little bit, just saying.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I'm just saying like an actual diagnosed person. Well, when I was watching, all just saying like an actual diagnosed person, you know what?
Speaker 2:I mean when I was watching all that, everybody was watching that. Like you would see her kind of click from this to that and she would come into like this Hollywood thing to a victim to something else, and it was just like wait a minute, dude.
Speaker 1:She is doing what you're talking about?
Speaker 2:Oh well, yeah, probably. Yeah, that's just a trained actress, but if you do it so much you believe it. Then there you are right?
Speaker 1:no, this is completely different. This is what I'm trying to tell you. There are actual studies done because people develop other people in their brains whole ass other people that take over to help them deal that's what you're fixing to drop with trauma in their lives. Yes, oh, this is what we're doing, this is not an actress. Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry guys. I had to ride my bicycle a little bit faster to catch up to Lindsay, because I can ride my bike with no handlebars. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:But that's what I'm saying, that there's literally been cases where somebody that is suffering with DID, their alters, have had different illnesses. I get you.
Speaker 2:It's full-on on genuine, complete, different people. Full on everything.
Speaker 1:Their brain waves change and everything when they slip in and out.
Speaker 2:So I was thinking of just disassociating disorder, where you're just like changing your thought waves but you're the same person type thing, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean, of course, you're still the same person being here, but in their brain it's a different person, so I'm going to get into it, okay. So, like I said, this is both fascinating and sad to see what our brains can do to help us deal with something awful and traumatic that has happened to us. And this is a story of a woman who went through something so horrific in her childhood that her brain would create 2,500 alters Lindsay To help her survive her trauma.
Speaker 2:Now how in the fuck do you create 2,500?
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2:Break it down, so listen close. I mean I'm not Okay.
Speaker 1:So this is the story of Jenny Haynes, and in 1974, jenny's family moved from Bexley Heath, london, to Greenacre in Western Sydney. And it was here in Sydney where her father, richard Haynes, would start to rape and torture her at just four years old, oh my God. And it would last until she was 11.
Speaker 2:Oh my God Lindsay.
Speaker 1:So not only was he abusing her body, but he was also brainwashing her mind, telling her that he could actually read her mind and if she would even think about the abuse that was happening to her, he would kill her mother and her siblings. She had a brother and a sister and, of course, her mother this motherfucker here right.
Speaker 1:So you know, remember when we were younger and we were like terrified about things that isn't really that relevant in real life, like falling into quicksand, the bermuda triangle and spontaneous combustion in the closet what mirrors you're scared about the closet mirrors as, being young, I wasn't.
Speaker 2:I fucking wasn't if it was dark and the closets creaked open.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I did leave my closet light on.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you weren't scared yeah, I was like what does?
Speaker 1:that mean I'm talking about, like you know how, in movies that we grew up with entities.
Speaker 2:Yeah, locked ass, monster fucking okay, okay, yes, yeah, like all that, yeah. But yes, I did leave my, I did leave my closet light on, just for you know how, in movies that we grew up with Global entities, yeah, locked ass, monster, fucking.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, yes, yes, all that, yeah, but yes, I did leave my closet light on just for light in my room, because I literally grew up in a haunted house.
Speaker 2:I was going to a more personal thing. If I'm looking over and there's a door, yeah. You're the one that's scared of mirrors.
Speaker 1:I'm just talking about as a whole. Our generation was scared of shit like quicksand, the Bermuda Triangle and spontaneous combustion because it was brought up a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But we've never really seen anything like that in our lifetime.
Speaker 2:Apparently, there were some people that spontaneously combusted.
Speaker 1:you know, according to Incubus, there was a picture of spontaneous combustion in an encyclopedia in the Haynes home that Richard would show to Jenny, telling her that that would happen to her mother if she even thought about the abuse. This is disgusting that her mom would spontaneously skimbush if she thought about what her father was doing to her.
Speaker 2:Really he had that mind control. I got mind control over Debo.
Speaker 1:So not only was she having to suffer the abuse by the hands of her own father, she was forced into believing that, even if she thought about it, her mother would combust and die. She's going to catch fire.
Speaker 3:That's horrific.
Speaker 1:There's no safe space anywhere.
Speaker 2:And with that much abuse and what you're doing to your actual child, they're going to believe that part. They're going to believe it. This is you. Puddled me already and I ain't even ready.
Speaker 1:Well, Jenny says that quote. My inner life was invaded by my dad. I couldn't even feel safe in my own head. I could no longer examine what was happening to me and draw my own conclusions. So Jenny develops her first alter named Symphony. Symphony was, and still is, a four-year-old little girl who was at the forefront of the abuse. And then Symphony would develop other alters to take over and deal with different situations in Jenny's life and Symphony had a symphony of.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, we're about to get into the main ones, and those would also develop other alters. Yeah, it's insane. So these were all different people in Jenny's brain that she could see clearly and what they would wear, and they had their own individual personality as well. So there would be Rick, who wore huge glasses and he looked a lot like her father. Then there was Linda, which was actually Jenny's middle name. Then there was Linda, which was actually Jenny's middle name.
Speaker 1:She was tall and slim and dressed 1950s style with a pink poodle skirt and always wore her hair in an elegant bun. There was Judas, who was short, with red hair, and who wore gray pants and a green jumper. And I meant to look up. In Australia and in the UK they use the word jumper and I'm not sure what it means. I think it's sweater, exercise suit. No, no, no, I think it's a sweater, but I'm not a hundred percent sure. Little Ricky, he was eight years old, but he wore a suit, and this made me think about Silas, because Silas was so into suits when he was eight years old, because Silas was so into suits when he was eight years old, he wore a suit all the time. Yeah, and his job, little Ricky. His job would be to choose which altar would have to take over when Jenny was being abused. That was his job. In Jenny's brain I'm clouding up over here.
Speaker 1:Volcano. He was tall and strong, with bleach blonde hair and liked to wear leather. And then there was Muscles, who was a teenager that looked a lot like Billy Idol. I'm going to fucking cry. Don't cry over here. He liked to show off his arms and he was very calm and collective, and this is all in a little girl, little child.
Speaker 2:that's being fucking horrifically. I don't even want to say the word Lindsay.
Speaker 1:So Muscles was the calmest of the group, but Symphony she would sing to Jenny during her abuse and actually help her not Like this altar would help her not be able to smell her father's scent because it would gross her out so much. It was like the smell of burning plastic and the worst construction worker smell that you can imagine is how Jenny describes it. In her head she would recite song lyrics like he ain't heavy, he's my brother, when she would worry about her siblings. And do you really really fuck? Do you really want to hurt me? Do you really want to make me cry when thinking about her ordeal? So she would, because she was afraid to think about what was happening to her. So she would associate everything while it was happening.
Speaker 2:She's singing that song symphony, sym.
Speaker 1:Actually, jenny says that Symphony was the one that got the most abuse, because Jenny would disappear and Symphony would take over.
Speaker 2:And Symphony would be singing. She was the muse behind all the abuse, right in the middle of it. I'm only speaking now to keep from fucking crying.
Speaker 1:I know Like I've done research on this all week and have held it together and right now I want to sob. Yeah, well, you know, you can look at my eyes right now.
Speaker 2:I know I'm clouded up.
Speaker 1:Well, these would be her main altars, and each one of these altars would create other altars until she had a 2,500 altar army.
Speaker 2:And she could pull those up at any time and just sink into it. They would just take over she wouldn't actually try to think about them, it just snapped in.
Speaker 1:We'll get into that later. She can go within herself and try to summon that specific altar to give details about certain things that she will have to talk about later on, but we'll get there. So her father Fucking Richard Haynes? Her father would restrict her social activities and even punished her when her swimming coach approached him about her talent. So she was a really good swimmer. Now the details of the abuse are not public, but the extent of them. Are you ready, Cause this is going to fuck you up? Okay, they would cause permanent damage to Jenny's body. The irreparable damage was to her eyesight, her jaw, her bowels, her anus and her coccyx. Why she now has to use a col coccyx, lindsay why?
Speaker 1:She now has to use a colostomy bag, lindsay, and is afraid to open her mouth too wide, as her jaw may lock up.
Speaker 2:Michelle.
Speaker 1:And her father ruined any chance of her ever having children.
Speaker 2:Lindsay Michelle, stop it. I don't know why. Why you got Okay. Lindsay Michelle, stop it. I'm fucking why.
Speaker 1:Why you got Okay, we've done so many of these Because she's a survivor. And my eyelashes are sticking together now because I've got water and I'm thinking about my grandbabies I'm thinking about like children.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking about so many fucking things and you're just oh my. God, I'm drinking. Fuck God, I'm drinking. Fuck it, I'm drinking Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Now, I am not. I do not know how, but Jenny's mother did not know of the abuse, or maybe she was being abused herself and was made to ignore it. That's all.
Speaker 2:He's manipulated the whole family that's what I think and he has told them all that he has some kind of fucking there was two other siblings that he did not hurt at all.
Speaker 1:Jenny got all of it. Well, the family moved back to the UK in 1984 and Jenny's mother divorced her father and the abuse stopped.
Speaker 2:But from 4 to 11, that's a long ass time Broken 2,500?. Yeah, I get it now.
Speaker 1:I mean, Well, okay, so I get it, my main source.
Speaker 2:While that's going on, you have to try to go some fucking where else I mean.
Speaker 1:You have to. That is terrible. I mean, I listed, I don't want to repeat it In fear they can't get away.
Speaker 2:I don't want to cry on here, not loud. I'm going to ugly cry later, I swear to God. And you're going to make me fucking watch something later, ain't you?
Speaker 1:It's worth. So I would say my main source of reference here was from a 60 minutes documentary, a 60 minutes australia, and you can see her transition and it's absolutely what y'all. When I say fascinating, that doesn't mean I like it. It's just fascinating to me how the brain works and how it can do so many incredible things to help you.
Speaker 1:Complete body movement, facial expression Either survive or I mean just like we're watching Yellow Jackets right now and I know that's just a bullshit TV show, but I mean their brains are not working for them whatsoever in in the certain situations in the woods. If you haven't watched that show, please fucking watch yellow jackets. It's got me in a goddamn chokehold. I am up. I was up till 3am watching that shit last night Cause I cannot stop. I was not.
Speaker 2:I was out and I slept my ass off, but I get it, because while I'm watching some of that, it is insane.
Speaker 1:Well, that's just also like when we talked about the girl in the box. That girl had to be in a padded tiny box for most of her life of seven years.
Speaker 2:She came up with some way to cope too, and well, that's why they refer to most of that case, the stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 1:But there has to be some alters that she created in her head to help her get through her time could you imagine that box for hours, and hours, and hours in a box?
Speaker 2:absolutely not like that one out. If you hadn't seen that I heard that one just that was about three episodes ago.
Speaker 1:Just go back through our little catalog and definitely check out Girl in a Box.
Speaker 2:So much goddamn drama in the LBC. It's kind of hard being me. I can't stand you. It's fucking horrible. I got to chuckle, but goddammit.
Speaker 1:Lindsay. Now, when Jenny got older, it was really hard for her to get any help for what was happening to her brain and for her body. She had reached out to authority figures that just were like it was unbelievable to them, she's free.
Speaker 2:And now she just has all of this still and you can't get rid of it. No, because that's your developmental area.
Speaker 1:And the pain in her body Six to 11. I want to repeat this again Air area and the pain in her body 6 to 11. I want to repeat this again Irreparable damage to her eyesight, jaw, bowels, anus and coccyx.
Speaker 2:Irreparable Now they have done and she could not even use her colon.
Speaker 1:Now there are some things that they were able to fix for her to be able to live comfortably, but it's still irreparable. It won't go back to normal, ever, ever, and she was robbed of her ability to ever produce a child.
Speaker 2:That's fucking awful livelihood gone, womanhood gone and this check this out, every happiness gone. Just, you can't grow up and be a normal ass person. You don't even love your kid enough. I mean, you fucking just abuse them and that's what's so goddamn disgusting. And this shit really happens. And lindsey shows me and we're fighting later, me and you.
Speaker 1:We're gonna goddamn oh man, so therapist leg wrestling.
Speaker 2:That's what we always say. Right, I'm gonna lay down and leg wrestle where you, you lay this way and I lay this way and we like leg wrestling. Shit have you done? You've seen that we're going to.
Speaker 1:Boy, if you don't let me finish telling the story, I just I got to figure a way out to get you back, dude, because, like I'm puddled over here, therapist would be so overwhelmed with what she would tell them that Jenny would end up comforting them, therapist, at the end of a session, or she would be accused of lying. So she would get I can't handle this shit, or you're a fucking liar from everybody that she would try to talk to about her situation. And all the while, this poor woman is going on not being able to explain what was going on in her mind, but living with the damage that was done to her body. What was going on in her mind, but living with the damage that was done to her body. Now, do you remember what year I told you this started and when it ended?
Speaker 1:In the 80s, so it started in 74. 74. It ended in 84. 84. She finally found a detective in 2009, named Paul Stimolis, that would believe her about her condition and abuse and, along with psychiatrist Dr George Blair West, they set out for justice for Jenny and her army.
Speaker 2:So all this time Daddy's just separated from the family. But he's good to go. He's fucking good to go. He's doing his own thing.
Speaker 1:Well, let me get there. Let me get there A fucking human being.
Speaker 2:A little girl destroyed her to the point. Oh my me, get there. A fucking human being. A little girl destroyed her to the point. Oh my God, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:I don't get it. Dr George says that DID is a condition that is formed from repetitive traumatic abuse before the age of eight, when the person realizes that no one is going to save them, isn't that? It's developmental when they realize no one is going to save them.
Speaker 2:You're becoming a grown human being, you're, you're developmenting your, your, your whole presence, persona, personality. Everything is happening in your brain and now she has put all these little pockets in her brain and knows to be true. There's no thinking about it, no thinking about it. Now I understand, now I really do. You developed that with your growing up and your brain development.
Speaker 1:But yeah, he specifically said that it happens before the age of eight, when they realize that no one is going to save them, and that just fucking broke my heart so hard yeah.
Speaker 2:And I sound like a babbling idiot when I'm trying to analyze it.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, it's for myself. You're trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2:This is me trying to figure it out Because you didn't do the research, so you're trying to yeah, so that's where I'm babbling, but does that make sense for me saying that I feel like you're becoming a full-grown human being and while you're doing that, your whole mind is wrapped around this 2,500 different believable personalities inside of you.
Speaker 1:And unfortunately and this is really fucking sad I didn't put this in my notes, but she said some of them would die off because the abuse was so fucking horrific. And that's why little Ricky, whose job it was to find which altar, was going to come in and take over, that's why he hated his job, because some of those personalities would actually die off in her brain, Huge trauma that was going on.
Speaker 2:She would be like, well, during that they just went ahead and passed away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow. So, while building a case against her father, jenny, detective Paul and Dr George returned to her home in Australia and you watch her transition many times In Australia. And she you watch her transition like many times and she goes. She relives in great detail what happened to her in each room. After watching clips of this on YouTube, it literally chills me to the bone, like, oh so the main hurdle that they would have to cross, other than the fact that this happened to Jenny decades prior, was the fact that Jenny's body was the crime scene and her alters were the witnesses. For most people, when trauma happens to us, we will block it out or memories are clouded, but for Jenny, each one of her main alters would remember everything in great detail. Sat, each one of her main alters would remember everything in great detail Saturated inside of her mind. Jenny herself, like Jenny, jenny would have a hard time recalling, but when one of her alters would come forward, events were recalled perfectly, even decades later.
Speaker 2:So she's created a defense mechanism through her trauma.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Dr George a defense mechanism through her trauma. Yeah, Dr George would call her memory her superpower.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That was horrible.
Speaker 1:Now I have to mention also that Jenny spent 18 years earning degrees in psychology, a master's in legal study and criminal justice, and a PhD focusing on victims of crime.
Speaker 2:So her brain was working on a different level that we haven't been yet.
Speaker 1:She put in the work, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean her brain's, just completely, that it was developing into this super brain that was we can't get there Right, we cannot get there Completely intelligent.
Speaker 1:So Jenny refers to Detective Paul so sweet too, as God on earth for believing her and for taking on her case and making her father pay for what he had done. When Paul was asked if he ever doubted her, he said he never. He did not. But he knew it was going to be a tough case to prove. Jenny would have to tell her story to the court through her altars. Jenny would have to tell her story to the court through her altars. Paul and Dr George prepared her for her story to not be taken seriously and the ridicule from the public as well. But Jenny was ready and she knew that this was the only way. Why are they?
Speaker 2:even acting like this. Person that went through all this as a child is going to use this as some bullshit defense because people are evil but why are they even saying that you don't take her seriously?
Speaker 1:no, no no, no, they're not saying don't take her seriously. They're preparing her for evil people out there that will not take her seriously exactly and call it.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying for the evil people, that's what I'm saying, like for the evil people to even think there's just people out there that won't believe anybody's bullshit but their own.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. There was also there was proof from the damage to her body because of all the major surgeries that she had had to go through to help with the issues with her bowels and her anus and her coccyx. But it would still take over 10 years of hard work to bring Richard Haynes to justice.
Speaker 2:Come on, dude, an x-ray and showing that all this was broken then.
Speaker 1:It takes them Okay. So this all started to her happening to her in 74. It ends in 84. It takes her till 2009 to find her somebody to believe her. And it takes till 2017 for indictments to start, and her father was finally extradited from the uk to stand trial and he had actually already been doing seven years in prison for a different charge that I could not find anywhere. I was trying to find what he was already in there for, but I couldn't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if anybody knows, let us know. I mean, I want to know. So.
Speaker 1:Richard, he was in his 70s during this time and he was charged with multiple counts of rape and buggery, because you know that's what they call it over there, sodomy. But he broke the fucking little child, he broke her. Well, that's what sodomy is called over there is buggery.
Speaker 2:Like it's literally court. Yeah, we've talked about that before. Easily proven with any kind of x-ray. You can be like well, these bones right here. They healed up about this many years ago and you can tell by the callous.
Speaker 1:And also I mean we advanced so much in technology during this time so it probably would have never been proven anyway you get it together with your stuff over there. I'm just saying so jenny says that whichever altar could answer the questions she would be asked would be the one to come forward to answer or talk about certain details, because each one remembered different time periods and most that most of her altars stayed in that age range of whenever that abuse was happening. You know what I mean. They didn't like stephanie.
Speaker 2:They didn't grow up, stayed four years old. Yeah, age, yeah, because they were. They weren't made anymore, they weren't, they weren't growing with her right, they stopped.
Speaker 1:Well, in other cases, that I actually listened to. Um, some of them will age with the person, but some of them will stay the age of whatever time they had to enter the abuse for the main person.
Speaker 2:Right, well, you got to develop them as you're growing, but if they don't have anything happening to the other personalities, they can't grow with you. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Right yeah. On January 21st 2019, Jenny told her story to the New South Wales District Court. She said Jenny walked in and then the alters would take over and tell their parts. This case was deemed too horrific to have a jury, so it was just for a judge.
Speaker 2:Preliminary trial Type thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was only the judge, Jenny, her lawyer, her psychiatrist.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's too fucking horrific for you to tell to me it really is.
Speaker 1:So, four-year-old, symphony was the first to talk and looked straight at Richard as each part of her brain revealed the horror that he had put her through, the sexual abuse, the physical abuse and the impact that it all had on her education. After two hours of just transitioning and transitioning, richard finally changed his plea to guilty and admitted to his abuse.
Speaker 2:There you go, fucker.
Speaker 1:Now, even though Jenny was in her late 40s 48 or 49, I think she was actually still able to be unnamed, as her abuse had happened to her when she was a minor and that would also mean that her father would be unnamed. But she chose for it to all be public so that it would be known what her father had done to her. When he went to prison she said she wanted him to go away for a very long time and she hoped that it was as uncomfortable and traumatic as her childhood was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hope he got fucking buggered.
Speaker 1:She wrote a 17-page witness impact statement without sugarcoating anything, and over 30 of her alters made an appearance through this. The judge even asked her if she needed to take a break. At one point she refused. She said nope, I just want to get it done. She said Richard had called her daddy's dirty little girl a floozy, a trollop, a masochist, and would tell her that this hurts me more than it hurts you. Before raping and buggering her and almost killing her on occasion, she would say that he would use Kewpie dolls, which is little dolls that look, are made to look like a cherub. He would use those as weapons to abuse her on her fucking birthday why is that a fuck dude? And would take her glasses off during abuse, making her now panic and have flashbacks anytime her vision is impaired.
Speaker 2:And there's a whole other personality she snapped into then I bet.
Speaker 1:Well, richard was sentenced to 45 years and won't be eligible for parole till long after he's dead because he would be like 107 fuck you richard, fuck you richard. Jenny and her mother, who actually became her biggest supporter. Like they don't go a lot into her mother, so I have no idea what happened to her mother and why she wasn't a safe space for Jenny before that.
Speaker 2:But I don't want to victim blame. Was she at work or some?
Speaker 1:shit Like she was gone. I don't know, I don't want to victim blame, I don't know. They don't go into a lot of her mom, I could not find anything on her mom. All the parts and pieces whole salad. Because she's very public about everything that happened to her.
Speaker 1:Fucking bomb is just the family bomb that moms pay attention to your kids but to me, it's the physical damage that happened to her body that she had to live with. How did you not know she couldn't be going to the bathroom correctly? She had to be in physical pain every fucking day of her life. Yeah, and her father did this abuse to her day after day after day for what's four to eleven, seven years, and you're not paying attention to your kid enough.
Speaker 2:There's something there.
Speaker 1:There's a bomb that just didn't go off there's something there, there's, there's a bomb that just didn't go off, there's. But whatever may have happened, her and her mother are on good terms and they live together and they have both relied on welfare and disability to just to live. But I'm hoping, through interviews and book deals because she did write a book that that status has changed so that she can enjoy the rest of her life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you deserve it.
Speaker 1:You deserve it, jenny. My heart goes out to you so much and I do, I do. It's only 40 minutes, the documentary, the 60 minute documentary. Now there is another one that I watched on a girl named I think it's pronounced Insinia it's spelled like Usenia, but I think it's pronounced Insinia. She has 11 alters and that was a really good documentary as well. Same type of situation. Um, it's also on youtube. Well, we'll try and find those links and put them in and put them in the show. I want to find a link to send her something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's send her something. Let's find out where she is and we'll send her a little care package.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would love to do that With a DES shirt.
Speaker 2:Yes, we got merch now, so we'll just send her a DES shirt, have it mailed to her in a little care package and some cool stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because there's not a lot of coverage on her case whatsoever. But when I actually heard it covered by Red Handed and I was locked in, I had to put it on my list. That shit has been on my mind every single day since I heard it.
Speaker 2:This is the most horrific thing. This woman is still alive and having to deal with all that. She can be herself and just not go there, but at any time she can go there, it's so adorable how grateful she is to the two men that believe in her.
Speaker 1:And you'll see on the documentary the detective he literally like just doubles over because he he thinks about what he's been told and like it's a lot for him.
Speaker 2:So we're going to tag her and all her stuff into this. Yeah, multiple tags, and we want a connection. We want to send you some stuff. Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1:You're amazing, jenny Haynes. You are Survivors of any kind of abuse, like my heart just goes out, goes out Like because I mean I'm a survivor of abuse, but nothing compared to what this woman has been through, and that's the only thing that I can hang on to, and it humbles me, you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, because like what I, this woman like. I have a good daddy. You know what I mean, and that's something that I will. I have a great father. I could not imagine a person whose father is doing something like this to them, right in the comfort of your whole livelihood and then using that against you and thinking that they can kill your mother. Thinking that if you thought about what was, happening to you would kill your mother and your siblings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they had to believe it because they're they're baby impressionable, like how they don't know anything else they don't know he's.
Speaker 1:He started telling her that at four years old that is our baby abel's age.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean our grandbaby just kicked in and your shirt's amazing sorry but I mean, that's our grandbaby.
Speaker 1:You know, one of our grandbabies agent. To think about somebody trying to abuse him or brainwash him at that age makes me want to fight yeah, the only thing we can instill upon small, impressionable children is greatness and learning and being prosperous.
Speaker 2:That's the only.
Speaker 1:And chocolate chip waffles that they fucking love today. Chocolate chip waffles, they loved it.
Speaker 2:And we were so grandparent mode dude.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Oh, let's give them all the shit, Well listen.
Speaker 1:one of the greatest moments of my life was when my dad pulled me to the side and said I just want you to know that me and your mom were just watching you and Jesse with these grandbabies and y'all are incredible grandparents and I'm like thank you, dad. I didn't know what else to say, but I didn't want to fucking cry right there, but I wanted to at the same time.
Speaker 2:Which you aspire to be. Yes, you want to level up to that status, and you know what it can be overwhelming.
Speaker 1:But it's still not hard. No, when they all get whiny at the same time, I lose my fucking mind a little bit and I'm like, all right, we calm you down.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, we have a great time being us and spoiling them and being good grandparents. We're here to teach and that's our job, so we have a great job at it.
Speaker 1:But I just want to. I thought it was funny how Amanda was like I, how Amanda was like I love, how you're buying them all these chocolate chip waffles and sweet ass things and then sending them home to their parents. I'm like, well, duh, that's what grandparents are supposed to do.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what we're supposed to do Shit, yeah, and spoil them, yes, and we're not going to talk shit about their parents. We're going to pump them up while we're here, while they're hanging out with us, or whatever. Make them glorified too. Make them glorified too All the respect, all the good stuff, spoil the shit out of them and then send them right the hell back home. That's our job.
Speaker 1:Yep Perfect. It was a good day, so is this it. Is this the whole ass story? That's the end of our story of Jenny Haynes.
Speaker 2:You have completely. I mean, I was crying.
Speaker 1:I was too, and I've researched this all week and I didn't break down, and I don't know how, because I was PMSing since, like Monday.
Speaker 2:I was crying in this. I couldn't even make good jokes.
Speaker 1:I couldn't Well, sometimes it's hard.
Speaker 2:It was really tough.
Speaker 1:It's hard to make a joke through something like this.
Speaker 2:It was really tough.
Speaker 1:But we do try to make these awful cases as lighthearted as we can.
Speaker 2:The knowledge, though.
Speaker 1:But you need yeah.
Speaker 2:The appreciation and everything that I want to give this woman. I want to send her a little package of stuff and we'll get with them. Wait, when you watch this documentary and I want you to.
Speaker 1:I'm going to send it to you so you can put it in our show notes, because I want you all to watch her transition.
Speaker 2:How it snaps into different whole personalities, personas mannerisms. Notes because I want you to watch her transition into these other, how it snaps into different whole personalities, personas, mannerisms.
Speaker 1:When Symphony comes in, she's got a higher voice, she talks like a little girl and then when Muscles or Rick or Little Ricky, when they talk they have more of a manly machismo type and it's not like macho-y at all, but it's just like it's different. It's different than her. Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 2:I hate that. This is a thing I really do too.
Speaker 1:People don't hurt people.
Speaker 2:But putting this out, it can be something you know, if someone can. Awareness, oh awareness.
Speaker 1:Do not shrug off or not believe somebody that is struggling with something like this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if you have a kid that decides that they have something else going on in their head and they say anything that this is somebody else that's inside my head, pay attention. Really, do God, that's a real thing, it really is. And it took, and thank you lindsey for telling me this and and I'm trying to wrap my head around it still, but I kind of get it, you know and yeah and it's.
Speaker 1:It's just so sad that it took several psychiatrists for decades before she found the right one. So yeah, dr george, you are amazing. Yeah, detective stimulus you, paul st George. You are amazing. Detective Stamolis, paul Stamolis, you are amazing for believing her Approach all of that with open arms.
Speaker 3:For helping her. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because it was true. I mean, she wasn't bullshitting you at all.
Speaker 2:I believe it. Well, I mean they found that it was true, the physical evidence. The man finally broke down and admitted to it. Yeah, the developmental process of a child becoming a young adult, basically I mean really, really horrific. Can I play music?
Speaker 1:You can. What band Are we plugging today? I'm excited for this one. I already know, are we? I already know what it is.
Speaker 2:I hooked up with this amazing YouTuber that created a band and he did YouTube stuff of reggae and all this stuff, millions of followers, just amazing group. He decided to get his band together, aurora Wave, and I want to play them. Featuring who? Oh, it's featuring somebody.
Speaker 1:Yes it is.
Speaker 2:Somebody that's going to be at Rockville. Yes yeah, Ohanzilla from attila franzilla from attila love it, love it. And this is the summer vibe and I've been wanting to play this forever.
Speaker 1:When we saw attila, that was a whole ass fucking. Vibe silas was on the rail. He's sitting right here now. He did not listen to the rest of this, just want you guys to know he did not.
Speaker 2:He just walked in for the music part. But for the music part he walked in. We're going to let him hang out for a second, as long as he's quiet over there.
Speaker 1:He had a great time. You smell like the outside.
Speaker 2:But Attila is.
Speaker 1:You had a great time at Attila, didn't you? You can say, yeah, yeah, you were on the rail and you are. I have a video of you. You were just having a great time during attila and then you were like all right, I want to go ride the water, a water slide now, because it was right by that stage that they were playing at.
Speaker 2:Pennywise was playing and you wanted to see them, but you want to do the water slide instead yeah, he was.
Speaker 1:He was a water slide dweller that year, but you stay. You were on the rail For Attila. You got even closer To me and Daddy, we were right behind him, but he got right on the rail. I do like Attila.
Speaker 2:He loves him, attila, and they're gonna be On this song. Well, franz From Attila, it's your summer vibe. I swear to God Follow this whole band.
Speaker 1:This is a great song. He's already let me Preview this one.
Speaker 2:I have been listening to all of their catalog. They're so amazing.
Speaker 1:Aurora Wave. Aurora Wave Featuring Framzilla.
Speaker 2:And this song is called Kindness and I want you guys to check it out and check out Aurora Wave, their whole catalog. We'll see Fram's at Rockville. I'm just hoping we can catch a little bit of you.
Speaker 1:We will, we're going to work it out because we're troopers, we're troopers. They are playing around the same time as Barretooth, so we're going to have to run, we're going to work it out, we're going to work it out.
Speaker 2:It's going to happen, so yeah, so, without further ado, one of my favorite bands so far on this podcast, this is Aurora Wave, and this song is called Kindness.
Speaker 3:I'm down to play it. Cool, I can just let it slide and, as a matter of fact, I wouldn't waste my time A penny for your thoughts.
Speaker 3:You must have lost your mind. So keep your two cents, cause I don't nickel and dime so wicked, malicious and vindictive, attempting to play victim. Oh, oh, it's me Just quitting. I'm not without the talk. Listen for the birds with the bullshit. All right, you want a piece of me? We'll come and get it. I got a lot to love to get to the world, but if you press your luck, I won't sweat it. Middle fingers up, cause I don't give a fuck now. Oh, did it all. Now you know. So you better believe me. Taught me what I'm saying. I really mean this.
Speaker 3:Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. You got a lot of nerve. I came to fucking serve. One day you'll realize everyone gets what they deserve. Just take a fucking look.
Speaker 3:This car has got you shook. You took the wrong path, made a bad choice. You're a crook Paralyzed by my kindness. Look at you now. You took advantage of my battles. They're willing to go. Took the high road. I know where I belong. Take my place and close those apart. You wanna be some evil coming in.
Speaker 3:I got a lot to love to give to the world, but if you press your luck, I won't sweat it. Middle fingers up, cause I don't give a fuck now. Oh, didn't know. Now you know. So you better believe me. Tell me what I say. I really mean this. Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. Fear mistaken kindness for weakness. Fear mistaken kindness for weakness. Don't doubt about your conscience. Take a look inside your mind. It's a pivotal part of nature. Don't be afraid of what you get. Decide, follow the signs. Unlock your mind. It's a pivotal part of nature. Don't be a lullaby. Watch your brain as you decide. Follow the signs. I know you're mine, but it'll wind when you understand. Reality is more than BCI. You want a piece of me. We'll come and get it. I got a lot to love. Take it to the world, but if you press your luck, I won't sweat it. We don't pick us up, cause I can't give a fuck now. Oh, you did it all. Now you know. So you're mad about me. Did I tell you what I said? Why really me? Why did you lie to me? Why did you ask you want a piece of me? Well, call me your name. I got a lot to love. Dig into the world, but if you break your luck, I won't sweat it Me. Don't take a song, cause I can't give a fuck now.
Speaker 1:Oh my, I love that song so much. God Lindsay, that is the summer vibe.
Speaker 2:That is what I'm going to live.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're adding that to the summer playlist. We have this playlist that we play at the beach. I cannot believe that I hooked up with this dude in the band.
Speaker 2:You guys deserve everything, everything. I want to see you on the main stage at Rockville. Yeah, god, yeah, you deserve it. You deserve it.
Speaker 1:Yes, every yeah. You deserve it. You deserve, yes, every bit of it.
Speaker 2:Aurora rave, rockville 2026. We are manifesting that for you, I'm gonna hit up danny, I'm gonna tell danny to play.
Speaker 1:You guys, we're manifesting that for you because we're gonna be there. We're gonna be on the rail, if I can play at rockville.
Speaker 2:You guys can damn sure play at fucking rock that was a fucking great year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 2021 was phenomenal I mean we love them all. They all have their own special highlights. 2021 was great because it was in november.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was post-covid the we were free phenomenal yes, the lineup was great, the weather was great it was just, we had all the acts, the backstage access.
Speaker 1:Jesse got to play at Rockville. That was fucking awesome. It was very stressful in the beginning but then, once you got on stage after that, everything was chill and beautiful as fuck.
Speaker 2:It was great If I can play there. Aurora Wave needs to be there. Yes, Come on.
Speaker 1:Come on, we're going to tag DWP Play Aurora Wave. Yeah, invite them to Rockville. Yes, come on. Come on, we're going to tag DWP Play Aurora Rave. Yeah, invite them to Rockville 2026.
Speaker 2:These guys are going to be. They're already like millions of views on this song. Millions, oh yeah. Thank you, Franz, for getting on this.
Speaker 1:We'll tag you in this, Franz. Your part in that is obviously in my heart.
Speaker 2:I'm in so many groups with Franz.
Speaker 1:Me too. I'm in so many groups with Franz. Me too, I'm on his. I have a community chat with him that I'm in on Insta.
Speaker 2:I talked to him a couple of times a couple of years ago when my band was getting pretty hot Well as your band mom, I hit him up when he was when they were doing the thing where they were featuring local talent on Sundays.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he played us yeah.
Speaker 2:Featuring local talent on Sundays yeah, they played us yeah, it was great stuff. Yes, love you, franz, love you, aurora Wave. You guys are, my summer hit you are Absolutely, absolutely. You have my heart all summer you do.
Speaker 1:Yes, we're going to ride the Aurora Wave. Aurora Wave ride. Sorry, I have a speech impediment. It's hard for me to say Aurora, but I'm going to do my best.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we had a phenomenal time. You puddled me. I couldn't even laugh in my plant over here.
Speaker 1:No, he cried in the plant.
Speaker 2:I cried in the plant.
Speaker 1:He gave the peace lily some tears.
Speaker 2:We're going to get off here, but we're going to check out this thing that Lindsay's going to show me and I'm going to get puddled some more, but this drink is phenomenal the day that this episode airs, we will be day two at Rockville, so make sure that you follow us on Instagram at drinkaboutsomething.
Speaker 1:Follow us on the website drinkaboutsomethingsite Everything's there. Where you can find our Instagram YouTube.
Speaker 2:Send us an email. If you just type in Gen Z on Google, we're there J-E-N-D-S-E-Y.
Speaker 1:At drinkaboutsomethingpod at gmailcom.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But yes, make sure you follow us, so you can go to Rockville with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we're going to be handing out stuff.
Speaker 1:We will show you how to rock GA passes with the camping all weekend long.
Speaker 2:We have a great time. So ready.
Speaker 1:We're veterans, ten-year veterans, I can even give you tips on how to be. What do you call it? Nerd gone camping?
Speaker 2:Yes, she is I do, but we're comfortable. I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's Saturday and we have all of our shit already ready, like halfway ready to go when we leave out for leaving out.
Speaker 2:Thursday morning yeah, we're a week ahead ready. Yeah, out Thursday morning. Yeah, we're a week ahead ready.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we've been collecting all of our shit. I've got all my alcohol purchased.
Speaker 2:I fell in love with Lindsay but she picked up on some of the shit that I do too, like packing all my stuff in Tupperware bins.
Speaker 1:Yes, and it actually especially when you're camping. It makes a lot of sense because it keeps all your stuff safe. It does From any kind of weather damage, and camping. I'm going to tell y'all how many hotels have we bought. We bought two hotels and one Airbnb in Daytona.
Speaker 2:I was going to say four, but it was three yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were burnt and we're camping all the way every year period from now on it's the vibe yeah.
Speaker 2:And the fam and Orange Lot's where it's at. We'll see you guys at Rockville. Check us out. We're going to be recording there. We'll see you guys next weekend too. On here and next Friday. We're just going to put more and more and more stuff out. Lindsey's got tons of it. Follow, share, like. We'll see you guys then.
Speaker 1:Bye.
