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EPISODE 32: The daughter from hell
What drives a young woman to orchestrate her parents' murder rather than simply leave home? The Jennifer Pan case reveals the darkest consequences of cultural expectations colliding with personal desperation.
Growing up in Toronto's Chinese-Vietnamese immigrant community, Jennifer faced relentless pressure to excel academically while living under strict control. Even in her twenties, she was being grounded, had her phone confiscated, and was forbidden from dating. When she failed to graduate high school, Jennifer constructed an elaborate fiction rather than disappoint her parents – forging documents, pretending to attend university, and even creating a fake volunteer position at a hospital.
The facade crumbled when her parents discovered her six-year secret relationship with Daniel Wong. Forced to choose between her boyfriend and family, Jennifer outwardly complied while secretly plotting an unthinkable solution. What began as a staged home invasion ended with her mother dead, her father critically injured, and a shocking web of lies exposed.
Detective Randy Slade's meticulous investigation revealed the truth: Jennifer had arranged the attack to gain freedom and a $500,000 inheritance. Throughout our discussion, we examine the cultural dynamics of tiger parenting, the psychological impact of impossible expectations, and the devastating consequences when someone feels trapped between two worlds.
This tragedy serves as a stark reminder that while parents must guide their children, allowing them space to fail and develop their own identity is essential. As we reflect on this cautionary tale, we're left wondering: how do we balance cultural traditions with the need for personal autonomy? And how can families recognize when pressure crosses into dangerous territory before it's too late?
Hey, Jesse, Hello.
Speaker 2:Lindsay.
Speaker 1:What are you drinking today? Tang a motherfucking Ray. Tang a Ray. Yeah, do you remember the Tang Ray commercials with the Tang Ray guy? He had like a cool little hat on and shit and he was very Australian.
Speaker 2:Are you fucking kidding me right now? Yeah, I don't fucking remember it.
Speaker 1:And Tang Ray is also One of my favorite characters From a show of all time. Karen Walker, that bitch loves some Tangray.
Speaker 2:It's good. What are you drinking?
Speaker 1:I am having a raspberry Vista Bay Because you picked that out of the freezer for me, vista Bay. So we have an outside fridge that it frigidaires, but the freezer part is just a colder version of the refrigerator, because it's old.
Speaker 1:It's old hot in florida yeah, everything to freeze outside yeah, I have frozen um another case of water bottles to just keep rotating out there to keep all that cold, because now we're in the heat and it's in the elements, even though it's under the shady part of our back porch, it's still we got to keep ice in it.
Speaker 2:It's our old beer locker.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we love it, though we want to keep it. We want to keep it rolling because we need that second fridge.
Speaker 2:You know what, Lindsay? What made me feel old? Because you like to drop this on me.
Speaker 1:Oh Cause you like to drop this on me, oh my.
Speaker 2:God.
Speaker 1:You're going there already? Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to jump ahead of you on this old thing. This has been something that you've been fixated on me, so now I'm like fixated on it, I guess.
Speaker 1:Okay, get it off your chest.
Speaker 2:Rockville took me a whole week to get over.
Speaker 1:I. Today is the first day that I have felt normal. So yeah, we're in the same boat. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We need a cruise. Right, well, ok, so you need a cruise after Rockville to recover.
Speaker 1:Our last episode was Rockville recap and then a memorial to Chester Bennington and Chris Cornell. So, and it was on Sunday, so we rocked the fuck out on Sunday. We had a blast. We ended the night with Korn, which is always like when I see Jonathan Davis appear, didn't? They come out the gate hard, didn't they?
Speaker 2:They came out with blind, oh my god.
Speaker 1:And then twist. They came out the gate hard, didn't they? Yeah, they came out the gate hard.
Speaker 2:They came out blind, oh my God. And then twist. So it was like blind twist and then twist. They came out so hard.
Speaker 1:And then falling away and then got the life.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then shoots and ladders.
Speaker 2:They did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like bam bam, bam, bam, bam, yeah, and yeah, well, we were, but they kept cracking.
Speaker 2:And it's not, you know. It's not that we're not disrespecting the bands.
Speaker 1:No, that was our third corning. We've seen corning three times.
Speaker 2:I've seen them four. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's not Well we would have seen them five.
Speaker 1:But Rockville 2022 was our want, want Rockville. Like we always make it a good time, but there was so much rain and lightning, that's what, like we'll stand out in a fucking crowd and rain, but when it's lightning they make you leave. Yeah, we give up. Yeah, we're not.
Speaker 2:And I need to see no place to hide back. I know you do.
Speaker 1:That was a thing for me but it's not a thing for them, and I was sad that I didn't get a. Y'all want a single safe.
Speaker 2:Because I literally woke up Sunday morning singing that in my sleep. They probably played it while we were taking a shower. They probably did. Yeah, we left early and was like I'm gonna wash my hands. Well, they closed.
Speaker 1:they closed the showers by 1am and you already have to stand in line to get one, so we do sometimes have to cut out the headliners a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cut out the headliners a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did a review on all that I mean.
Speaker 2:I think we need a couple more showers in Orange Lot we need to have the showers open until 2.
Speaker 1:Because if you want to be able to get a shower after you've finished an entire headliner set, you need the showers open until 2. It's just how it is.
Speaker 2:Other than that, I think Rockville did a great job.
Speaker 1:It was hot as fuck the first day, and then they really accommodated the second day, so yeah, they cut the water price from 450 a bottle to two dollars because it should never be 450 a bottle. I'm sorry it shouldn't. We are always prepared for that. We save and we we have our money in order when we go. But for newcomers, people that are not veterans, they don't know.
Speaker 2:So listen, hit us up. If you want tips for festivals, hit us up.
Speaker 1:We'll give you it all. We'll give you an itinerary. We saved hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 2:Hundreds of dollars. It was great Just for, like you know, GA type stuff. But I mean, we're not doing it on the cheap. We don't care how much we spend. We take $1,200. We take $1,200. We know yeah we take $1,200.
Speaker 1:And this year we saved $300 by limiting our water cost and sharing food. Yeah and tips. Yeah and the tips.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're going to drink at Rockville, why pay 15% when they're reaching in a cooler venue Now?
Speaker 1:listen, I'm a server by trade and I am a very, very generous tipper. But if somebody is just screwing a top off for me, I don't want to tip more than a dollar per drink.
Speaker 2:Yeah, two dollars is adequate. So, a dollar is adequate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's what we did. We did a dollar per drink, and then we did a little bit more for food. Yeah, so, yeah, we did a dollar per drink and then we did a little bit more for food. Yeah, we had a great time.
Speaker 2:DWP really did help. They closed up some of the big tents, put air conditioning in there. It was a great time.
Speaker 1:The Octane or the Sirius XM tent was like our jam, because we could go in there and meet rock stars and hang out with Jose and Megan and get air conditioning all at the same time.
Speaker 2:And Shannon Guns.
Speaker 1:And Shannon Guns and Katie Babs.
Speaker 2:And Katie Babs.
Speaker 1:Yes, we love you guys, so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're the voice of our realm because, you know, we like satellite radio, so Absolutely so.
Speaker 1:Uh, we're gonna roll that intro. Is that what we're going to do? And get this shit started.
Speaker 2:We're going to get fired up. I'm still in Rockville land. Yes, happy Friday. I'm going to bump it a little bit. I'm going to bump this. Y'all ready? Y'all want to hear it say fuck that, fuck that.
Speaker 1:Fuck that. Want to hear it say fuck that, fuck that, fuck that. Want to hear us say fuck that, fuck that, fuck that.
Speaker 2:My favorite band at Rockville.
Speaker 1:Who Snot? Oh, I know If you guys follow me on TikTok, drink about something underscore. Lindsay and I have day one and day two on there. I did not get enough videos to do day two and day three, but we're going to work on that. But on day two, or I'm sorry you didn't get three and four.
Speaker 2:I just put something together. I put it up there too.
Speaker 1:But yes, on day four I have a video of Jesse just dancing, right, I mean, it's just glorious. He's happy, he's in this little element. And then Amanda, the bestie, she, she, she, that who was, who was our guest? They sounded so, they did they. It was a great.
Speaker 2:Did you look up on the stage and see all the other rock stars like?
Speaker 3:watching them. Yes, I did.
Speaker 2:So many people came and watched them. It was just the hype of the whole thing.
Speaker 1:It was a I mean an amazing way to kick off our last day, sunday Rockville it was a beautiful day, it was glorious, I was hype, so what are we drinking about?
Speaker 1:So hold on, hold on, listen, we're going to get there. So first off, I want to say that we do get the blues every every year that we leave Rockville. So we came home and we unpacked, and we unloaded and so I was like you know what, after Jesse took a nap from the driving, I was like I want to watch some comedies to get these blues out of me. And then we did. We watched some funny ass shit. Well, what did we watch? We watched Old School and Tropic Thunder, and then Jesse. It was Jesse's turn to pick and he decided to find a Robin Williams movie that literally it puddled us, puddled the fuck out of us. Then I was like all right, I need to catch up with the Last of Us. That shit puddled me. Then, the very next day, we got the episode of the decade.
Speaker 2:The Handmaid's.
Speaker 1:On Handmaid's Tale. We're rocking our Handmaid's shit today, oh my God. And today, after I busted ass scrubbing and cleaning this house, I got on TikTok and started doom scrolling and every fucking post that was in my FYP was people's reactions to that episode. I'm going to cry right now, oh my God.
Speaker 2:It was so fucking badass, it was amazing. Can I change the subject real quick? I don't want to cry right now. Oh my God, it was so fucking badass. Yes, it was, it was amazing. Can I change the subject?
Speaker 1:real quick. I don't want to do any spoilers, but Can I change it?
Speaker 2:Don't spoil it, fuck. Okay. What do you think about All-American Rejects fucking playing shows in people's yards and shit.
Speaker 1:right now I have no idea about that. You haven't seen that, isn't that? They're just popping up. I literally just told you what my FYP was. There's nothing else but a handmaid's tale on my FYP and Rockville and people posting about Rockville. That's my new thing.
Speaker 2:All American Rejects are traveling around the United States right now Mainly California right now and they're just like hey, we're playing a show in fucking bumfuck whatever town at somebody's backyard, and they show up. A couple thousand people show up, they RSVP, they're doing bowling alleys, people's backyards Like dormitories. They're doing like crazy shit right now. And you know why? Because fuck Ticketmaster, yeah, fuck Ticketmaster, yeah.
Speaker 1:And Ticketmaster, I need you to help me understand, when I try to purchase a ticket on a pre-sale, why you don't like me. Why you don't like me, why you don't want my money. Because I have to get Jesse's drummer every time If we're going to a show at the same time. I have to get him to buy my tickets and I just send him the money Because you don't want me to get on that pre-sale, even though I've put in the code. I got the money.
Speaker 2:I got the money bitch bitch. I don't want to give them my money. I hate it. The markups how much they mark that shit up. And then they sit, and then, and then the processing fee is like 40 goddamn dollars.
Speaker 1:Like, help me, help me understand that. So fuck you ticket master.
Speaker 2:Yes, we're gonna all the rock bands that are fighting against that. Yes, you know, because don't, don't do it. The technology is here. We can just buy from you. Go buy it from our website. The tickets are here.
Speaker 1:We rented out this whole fucking stadium and that's what we try to do, but sometimes it'll redirect me to Ticketmaster yeah, I feel like front gate isn't as bad.
Speaker 1:No, because I front gate is front gate. But yeah, so I was. I've already been trying to look at other shows to go to, but they don't, they don't, they don't coincide with our schedule. But anyways, if you are new here, what we do is we have a drink and we talk about true crime and at the end of the episode we plug a band that we are digging, that Jesse has reached out to and got permission to play, and we think you should listen to them, because all headlining bands, all touring bands, everything guess where they started? They started locally.
Speaker 2:And that's why I love All-American Rejects. They're playing on the grass. That's amazing. There's no stage, literally on the grass, somebody's backyard, where they started. I've been there, every band's been there. I love it, I love it.
Speaker 3:That's where you need to go back to. I think ACDC needs to do it. I love going to labels.
Speaker 2:Metallica needs to do it Just play small shit.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, Could you imagine? Just do it, you got enough money, you're good, we hit up James Hentfield and we're like can you play in our backyard? And they were like yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, on our porch. Just hang out, we'll throw you a beer. You can smoke your cigar outside, it's okay, oh, but yeah.
Speaker 1:So what we are drinking about today is a young lady named Jennifer Pan.
Speaker 2:Jennifer Pan.
Speaker 1:Jennifer Pan, we're going to Kanata In Kanata. In Kanata. We're going to Kanata, that's awesome. We're going back to Kanata and there's going to be some familiar names that you'll hear in just like literally three seconds. Three seconds. Jennifer Pan she was born on June 17th 1986 to Han Pan and Bich Ha Pan, or Pan. So I'm going to say it, I'm going to rewind it's Han Pan and Bich Ha Pan, who were Chinese refugees from Vietnam, who then came to Canada as refugees.
Speaker 2:A lot of Canada.
Speaker 1:Yes, so a hand and Bic were. I'm sorry this was awful, but my tablet that I type this shit out on it kept auto correcting Bic to bitch. But it's Bic B-I-C-H. That is how you bitch, but it's Bic B-I-C-H. That is how you say her name. No T involved. No T involved, okay, okay. Okay, han and Bic were married and lived in Scarborough, toronto, toronto. You don't recognize Scarborough, yeah, from Handmaid's.
Speaker 2:No, no, from what?
Speaker 1:Paul Bernardo.
Speaker 2:Paul Bernardo Was the Scarborough rapist, but Handmaid's they were in Toronto as well.
Speaker 1:Toronto is fucking huge.
Speaker 2:I'm coming to realize that is the biggest city in Kanata right. There's so many provinces of Toronto or Vancouver, I don't know, whatever.
Speaker 1:So, and then they moved to Markham, toronto, my maiden name.
Speaker 2:Miss Markham, toronto. Yes, in Kanata.
Speaker 1:And Markham actually has a large Asian population, where Han and Bic worked at Magna International making auto parts, so they were like factory workers for an auto parts place. And Jennifer had a younger brother named Felix, but he doesn't play like a huge role in the story, but he exists. I want some Vietnamese food Me too.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Me too, and we're going to get some. I want it. Yes, need to, and we're gonna get some. I want it, yes. Han and Bic had very high educational expectations for their children, as well as many extracurricular activities that they wanted their children to be in. Jennifer was made to take music theory and harmony lessons, figure skating, and she did really well with figure skating all the way up until, I think, about middle school, and she got a knee injury that made her she had to, she had, no, was no longer able to do it after that and um.
Speaker 1:She also played piano from the age of four.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So Han and Bic were very strict on Jennifer and didn't let her do much other than school and all the activities, and this sort of parenting is what is referred to as tiger parenting, which is very common in the Asian and Indonesian community. And this is the. You better make good grades and become extremely successful and take care of me when you're older type parenting.
Speaker 2:This is why there's some tradition that goes on. It's very.
Speaker 1:I mean, um, this makes me think of so. I and when I was in high school, we had a Japanese foreign exchange student. When I was in, was it 10th grade, yeah, so it was the year I turned 16 and her name was Tomoko. She was so freaking cute, so it's a freaking tiny like she still look like she was 12 and we were, you know, and I invited her to my 16.
Speaker 2:You could we're like bitch first of all, you just set the bar and we can't even see the bar.
Speaker 1:You are. Every single other person in our class made a C or lower. Wow, and Tomoka made an A Because, guess what? They have higher expectations and higher educational everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they stay full on, you know.
Speaker 1:And plus it seems like you know.
Speaker 3:You can't do that to us ma'am.
Speaker 2:Not a stereotype, but it just does seem like that Asian folks get it way more than us.
Speaker 1:Well, a lot of. I watched a documentary called what Jennifer Did. There's a lot. It's in that culture, it's in that community.
Speaker 2:It's a culturalistic, developmental thing, you know. So like the parents are pushing it way more than our parents would have, yes, and at the same time they get it easier. Maybe it's just some genetics in there too, maybe.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Well, I think also that they start that level of math at a younger age. Yeah, Because she literally said she had already known that level of math for like two years.
Speaker 2:Okay, and they were more in contact with that kind of new to us with that kind of challenge and that adaptivity to be like to rise up. You know they're already around it, way more than anybody else at our age.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at the time I get it.
Speaker 1:And I mean. You know cause. If these kids made less than an, a, they were scolded profusely for doing less than exceptional, jennifer, she was not allowed to date, she wasn't allowed to really hang out with friends and by the age of 22, she had never gone to a club, gotten drunk or visited any place without her family by 22,. Jesse, I get it. What do you mean? You get it.
Speaker 2:I get the whole thing. They're really pushing their kids and they're breaking them away from anything fun in life. Our parents kind of give in as far as the structure part of it where they're pushing further. So it's both unhealthy.
Speaker 1:But could you, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying could you imagine being 22 years old, you're still living at home and you, jennifer, was still being grounded for things? Yeah, at 22 years old?
Speaker 2:Her parents, grew up in a communist society, I mean I get it. There's. No, I mean they probably left out of North Vietnam. You know they were. So I mean I get it. There's. No, I mean they probably left out of north vietnam. You know they weren't. So I mean I get it. Culture, the culture thing, I get it. It's not good. No, I don't agree on that. No, I don't agree on it.
Speaker 1:No, but I get it, you know I wasn't expecting you to click with that as much, because that leaves a lot of discussion out.
Speaker 2:But anyway, I'm not trying to sell your ship short. How do you say that I'm getting a little? I'm not trying to sell your ship short. I'm just saying I understand how culture works globally and I get it. It's not right. I don't support it, but I get it.
Speaker 1:Well, somewhere in high school school I'm not sure what, because you know their educational system is a little different than ours in canada. She was on her way to valedictorian, but somewhere along the way she was losing that and she actually like fell off way low, to where her grades were in like the 70th percentile and her parents were wanting her to make straight A's. So she starts forging documents.
Speaker 2:Oh, so her train kind of derailed a little bit that they wanted her to go toward, and I get that too. That's, that's where. That's where some salad starts coming into play, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, she learned how to forge report cards and she even she photoshopped her graduation document. I mean like, and her parents had that shit on the wall.
Speaker 2:So she didn't graduate? No, oh, she fuckery.
Speaker 1:So she failed a calculus class and she? But she forged a document saying that she had graduated high school and she was on her way to university. Her excuse, because my thing was okay. How did they not know that she didn't graduate high school? Well, they had a ticket system up there and she told her parents that all the tickets had sold out, so they weren't able to attend. Oh yeah, so because to me this whole, this whole web of lies that I'm going to explain to you here in a minute, it was very weird to me, like how Because it's different here, there's not you can you just show up to the fucking high school and you sit and you watch your kid graduate.
Speaker 2:Oh, the time span and their, her parents, age and everything. They don't really know all the workings of everything. All they know is they're going to push the shit out of their kid, oppress them and into being such a great she was under so much a communist type set setup and the whole family, the whole culture, everything I mean I. That's where I I fully understand my pencil.
Speaker 2:I'm so sorry I fully understand it because I mean as being countries both from you know, created from immigrants. Really, you get around some of that and conversations throughout your life and you're like wow, it's kind of fucked up, but at the same time like you have to see what it really was that their parents you know her grandparents went through and you know the things that they did for thousands of years. They wanted to stick with those traditions, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, this pressure was so much on her mental health that she started cutting herself for as a coping mechanism.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was exposed to a better way out and she couldn't get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, of course, she did not get into university, but she pretended to attend and, instead of actually going to school, she sat in cafes like for the whole day. She taught piano on the side to make money, and she worked at a restaurant it was, uh, she worked at Boston pizza, which we'll talk about here in just a minute, and she actually lied, because you know when, when your kids go to college you got to if they don't get scholarships, you're going to have to pay for it. Well, since she didn't get into university and she's telling her parents she did, she lied to them and said I got all these scholarships.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So you don't have to pay a thing.
Speaker 2:But stepping back as the parents Okay, she's Vietnamese, right, she's in an Asian community. What would their daughter have had if she didn't graduate Food Service?
Speaker 1:She wouldn't have went on to have that business career. Well, she was an amazing piano player to the point where she was an instructor.
Speaker 2:Obviously, she's amazingly brilliant obviously by far I get that, but as parents they were trying to push her into all that, which was oppression in a way, because they knew that she wouldn't have had anything if she wouldn't have graduated. So they overdid it. There's a balance there, you know. And then culture and knowing that, hey, you know, my daughter's not going to do anything else but work at a laundromat or something, you know, because and that was unacceptable.
Speaker 1:Right, they did not want her to do that.
Speaker 2:I would have been happy, I'm happy with just working period, you know.
Speaker 1:So Han and Bic had, like they had job, they had average ass Joe jobs but they ended up getting like they had a really nice house and then they got a Lexus and a Mercedes Wow, really nice house. And then they got a Lexus and a Mercedes Wow. And had over $200,000 saved.
Speaker 2:So they was doing the damn thing, though, you know, without their selves being you know higher standards and in colleges with degrees and all that. So they still did a damn good thing.
Speaker 1:Well, there was a I, I. I. I'm so sorry, uh, but there's a lot of information about this case on YouTube, but I did forget to write down what she actually wanted to study. But for Han, her father, that part of the medical field wasn't going to bring in enough money, so he was like I want you to go into pharmacology. So she lied to them and said all right. I got you I'm in the pharmacology program now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm trying to come about this conversation a little bit different than we had before For some reason. I'm just thinking I just kind of want to pan out both parts of you know all the aspects of it, even wrong aspects, so that's why I'm coming across a little bit different on this one, sorry, right.
Speaker 1:Like I said, she lied to him about getting into the pharmacology program, but she was like you know what I got to? I got to stick to this lie. I got to make it believable. So she purchased secondhand books on the program, she watched videos on it and she took notebooks full of notes on this actual subject. Wow, like she could have just done the work and maybe got in.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you can action there. I can't.
Speaker 1:I'm going to cover frank abagnale later on down the road that was cool, but yeah uh, so far.
Speaker 2:I mean this is unhealthy, but it's kind of cool at this point, you know yeah.
Speaker 1:So she had to keep up the charade. You know what I mean. That's a tough battle. And then now, when she was in high school, she wasn't allowed to date but she, her parents, had allowed her to do some schooling abroad. So she went to Europe with the band because she played the flute along with the piano and she met this guy named his name was I lost it. His name is Daniel Chi Kwong Wong, or sorry, daniel Chi Kwong Wong, who actually, like she, was in a, an environment where people were like chain smoking and shit, and she had some asthma problems. So Daniel kind of saved her life. And then they grew attached and they started dating and he he was a little bit of a weed, a weed dealer on the side, which kind of blew my mind because literally since I was a teenager, I thought that marijuana was legal in Canada and they weren't really strict on that, so I didn't know that there was even weed dealers up there.
Speaker 2:This would have been the 90s now, right.
Speaker 1:This was the 2000s. Oh, ok, late 90s, early 2000s OK yeah, and from that time I thought that Canada was like cannabis friendly, cannabis, cannabis, yes, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know if it was or not, I guess because you know you hear shit, you speculate, you know people speculate and all that shit, but I literally heard there was cannabis cafes in Canada.
Speaker 2:In the 90s 2000s.
Speaker 1:Late 90s, early 2000s. I was hearing about it. Yeah, I was hearing about that shit. So, daniel, he was a little bit of a weed dealer and he was also the manager of Boston Pizza, which is where she worked to make some money. Her parents didn't know this, because she was pretending that she was going to college this whole time. The university that's what they call it over there and in Europe as well, it's uni.
Speaker 2:Is that deep dish or Chicago style? I?
Speaker 1:don't know what the fuck Boston pizza is. When we go there, we're going to have to see what kind of pizza they have. So, daniel, he was a mix of Chinese and Filipino ancestry and he lived in Ajax, the Ajax area of Toronto. Okay, such a big, it's got burrows, it's got burrows, it's got burrows Like Scarborough. Yeah, jennifer, she wanted to stay with Daniel, so she told her parents that, with her class load, she needed to stay with her friend that lived closer to the university, whose name was Topaz. But she was actually staying with Daniel.
Speaker 2:That's a cool ass name.
Speaker 1:Yes, topaz is a very cool name. That's one of my favorite stones, honestly.
Speaker 2:I think it's my birthstone.
Speaker 1:Is it? Yeah, hold on, let's look it up. Hey Google, what is December's birthstone?
Speaker 2:December is unique in having three primary birthstones Tanzanite, known for its striking blue to violet blue hues.
Speaker 1:It's a relatively recent discovery. Turquoise is your main one.
Speaker 2:That was close, Topaz. It didn't say all three, did it Hold on?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you didn't give it a chance. Topaz wasn't on there, I read it.
Speaker 2:Then why did they tell me my whole life that blue Topaz was my fucking color man, my rock bro.
Speaker 1:Who lies to me? It's for November. Who lies to me? That's your sister's birthstone. Nobody lies to you, so turquoise is me. Turquoise.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's why I love turquoise so much you do. For fuck's sake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you love all that tacky native jewelry.
Speaker 2:It is pretty, though, if it's done right If it's done, right If it's done right. I like the old style too.
Speaker 1:I like the old style, like the shit that you make in your backyard. I mean, honestly, I want turquoise to come back in style, because I want a shit ton of it.
Speaker 2:The whole squash blossoms, the whole fucking big turquoise Navajo necklaces and shit that I didn't deserve and wear anymore. What?
Speaker 1:is my favorite, your favorite, rock, yeah. How is that not on the top of your head?
Speaker 2:It's the purple one. What the fuck, amethyst? I can't think of it.
Speaker 1:And that's why I also love I used to hunt for you amethyst rocks. I was going to say well, that's also why I love the wampum jewelry, because it's got the purple in it. Wampum jewelry is the test. Oh, wampum jewelry.
Speaker 2:Yes, I love Native American artwork and jewelry. I love the old school stuff, I love the new school stuff, I love it all.
Speaker 1:Well, jennifer, we're going to get back to Jennifer now. She also pretended to volunteer and this is a legit place, but it's not going to sound like it. The Hospital for sick children.
Speaker 2:And she volunteered there.
Speaker 1:She pretended she did oh she pretended she volunteered for it, but her parents were very suspicious because she didn't have a hospital ID badge, she didn't wear scrubs. Why didn't she just volunteer? Because you have to be in a medical program and she wasn't a part of that.
Speaker 2:There's something you can do there. You can volunteer where you ain't got to do anything.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe she just didn't want to do the work because Jennifer has a lying problem and we're going to figure this out. She didn't want anything to do with anything medical, obviously she did, but it wasn't what her father wanted for her and she didn't want to bring shame upon her family so she just lied Shame, yeah, shame, shame, ding-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling, shame, shame. So well, han, he got a little suspicious of this, so he encouraged Bic to follow Jennifer.
Speaker 2:Uh-oh, it's coming now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and guess what? Her lie was discovered Shame. And it was also Shame Brought to their attention that she hadn't even been going to university. Shame, and she hadn't been going to high school. I'm sorry she had to go into high school, but she didn't complete high school.
Speaker 2:She didn't complete it. Yes, shame, shame. Are we done? Shame.
Speaker 1:So her parents were like you know what bitch, this is what you're going to do. You're going to get your high school diploma, you're going to finish university and you're going to stop seeing fucking Daniel Wong because, number one, he works at a pizza place. He's not going to be able to financially support you and he's not going to be able to support us when we're old, because that's what they did, that's what they wanted yeah, and um, it's a so wanted yeah, and it's a sockle yeah. And second of all, we know that he deals the weed and in the 90s and 2000s, weed was the devil, even though you can go to the store now and buy that shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, same as like alcohol, I guess, to me. And they were like you know what? You can get the fuck out if you want to stay with Daniel, or you can choose us. And she chose her parents and she is in her 20s, she's in her 20s.
Speaker 2:Ready to live life, ready to fly.
Speaker 1:This is what mind boggles me Because my rebellious ass could never, ever, ever. I would rather sleep. This is how rebellious I was. I would have rather slept on the street than deal with all of this. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I would have.
Speaker 2:But we all made shitty choices.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and even if later on I found out that that was a shitty choice or my rebellious spirit would not have allowed me to agree with any of this, it wouldn't have, and I cannot contemplate how a person in their 20s would agree to this. So not only was she forbidden from talking to her boyfriend, they took her fucking phone. Wow, they took her phone as a woman in her 20s, like she's 16 years old.
Speaker 2:I get it, Lindsay, but you're not looking at it like a culturalistic thing that she's been raised up in.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not because I don't understand, you don't transpire into understand.
Speaker 2:you don't, you don't transpire into what is deeply ingrained into the household, into the family this one was so hard for me because I'm like, why wouldn't you just go?
Speaker 1:their whole livelihood and mannerisms and everything that they've done and aspired to do well, if she just said, like you know what, I'm gonna do my own thing, we wouldn't be telling the story right now. Right, right, right.
Speaker 2:So anyways, either way there's, like I said, there's a deep rooted thing that she's grounded in her fucking 20s now. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And she has no phone access, Except for like. I don't understand why?
Speaker 2:No, this is hurting my head and I want you to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1:Why are you telling me this I can't wrap my brain around it.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to wrap my fucking head around it, lindsay, and that's the reason why I keep.
Speaker 3:I'm clapping back.
Speaker 1:I understand there's different cultures and I'm not clapping back in a negative way.
Speaker 2:I'm saying there there's an understanding that you have to also see, even if it is bad, you know it is shitty. It is shitty, it is, and I don't support it in any fucking way. I do not at all.
Speaker 1:No, it's a very shitty way of life, because I wouldn't be sitting here telling you the story if she had just been like you know what? I'm gonna go live with daniel and work at boston pizza and figure this shit out, which would have been a great life it would have had to quit.
Speaker 1:I mean the lion's over I supported a family working in a fucking restaurant. So, yeah, yeah, you can do it. You can Anywho. So she wasn't allowed to do anything but go to school and teach piano. Well, she was like you know what I'm? I'm going to tell you my parents, hot and Bic, that I'm not going to see Daniel anymore. But guess what?
Speaker 2:I really am you back the line Huh, she back the line. Or she really is oh, she's back the line. She, you back the line. Huh, she back the line. Or she really is, oh, she's back the line. Yeah, she just lies all the time. She's back to her ways, jennifer.
Speaker 1:Jennifer Pan is a liar y'all. I don't know if you figured that out yet she's she lies a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but she wanted her freedom though. See, I get it, I get that.
Speaker 1:But she did.
Speaker 2:She chose to not take me off so hard, like that is how you learn who you are and that is how you learn how to survive in life. You have to go out on your own in your goddamn 20s, failure or not, you gotta go try it. You gotta go try it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get it so, anyways, jennifer, you're an idiot. So well, bick, she okay. So han was the major disciplinarian and the major hard ass in this family, and Bic was like I'm going to go along with what my husband says, but I'm also going to get your phone out of the lockbox or wherever it was and I'm going to let you catch up with your messages.
Speaker 2:I feel like she should have left Han solo.
Speaker 3:Bitch.
Speaker 1:That's just what I feel like she should have told him that, yeah, she should have told him, she should have told him to millennium, and she agreed with most of what he wanted, but at the same time she was like you know, yeah, this girl's 20 fucking three years old.
Speaker 1:I mean, I would have been out of there in 21 parseps for myself so Bic was letting her get her phone and catch up on her messages, where she would continue her relationship with Daniel in secret, right? But by 2009, this was six years into their relationship, six motherfucking years. Her parents just found out that they were even dating. Six years later, daniel was like you know what? I'm sick of this shit. I'm going to move on. You, uh, you hit me up when you're done being under your parents' oppression and but for now bye, bye.
Speaker 2:Yeah, In any relationship it's a constant struggle because she's trying to live a lie on both sides, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well so so he broke things off and started seeing someone else, a young woman named Christine. Well then Jennifer started lying to Daniel to keep his attention. She told him that a man came to her house pretending to be a police officer and then, after that, several men broke in and trigger warning gang raped her. What? This is what she told Daniel. This was a ploy to keep his attention. And then she also told Daniel that a bullet, a whole ass fucking bullet, was mailed to her, and she blamed Daniel's new girlfriend. She blamed Christine. She was like your new girlfriend is just fucking, she's organizing gang rapes on me. She's sending me a bullet threatening me in the mail.
Speaker 1:And yeah, well, but Daniel, I'm thinking about the toxic song in my head oh, you're toxic. My voice is back, y'all. Y'all. Get some singing now, ok. My voice is back. Y'all. Y'all get some singing now, okay. So she would also send weird cryptic messages to the new girlfriend, harassing her as well, but Daniel kept talking to Jennifer, even though she was clearly unwell, and they talked to each other in baby talk and it was really. It's really creepy, Like Daniel would call her monk, monk or monkey, which literally sent me right over to the office, because that's what Dwight called Angela monkey, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Hey, Marilyn Manson said he was a monkey. You went outer space at Rockville.
Speaker 1:He did. Yeah, he was, he was a little weird at Rockville. He was a little weird, it was fun, and she would call Daniel Mr Bubbles, which made me think of Cobra Bubbles from Lilo and Stitch. So I've got Angela Kinsey and Cobra Bubbles in my head.
Speaker 2:I was thinking of Mr Bigglesworth myself.
Speaker 1:That is a hairless kitty, still kind of Asian. When we were in high school, that's what me and my friends would call our Shaved lady parts. Oh, was Mr Bigglesworth, because we're hairless kitties.
Speaker 2:I would have called mine, mr Dinkles.
Speaker 1:Mr Dinkles, that's what my van sounds like when you hit the lock button.
Speaker 1:I think my man parts are now called mr dinkles yes, now, y'all know well, daniel, you know he's still flirty and he's still. He's still texting jennifer, but he's like you know what. We can continue this relationship when you decide to leave home. So jennifer decided to make a plan with Daniel a despicable one and cause Daniel. You know he had, he had done a little bit of weed dealing and he knew some shady people. But it turns out Jennifer didn't even really need him for this. She got in contact with a guy that she had known from elementary school, which they called primary school, I think, in that area of the world Maybe I don't know who talked about. He had talked about robbing people at knife point and he had talked about killing his own father Shit, and his name was Andrew Montemayor Very sophisticated name.
Speaker 1:Very suave, and he would introduce her to his roommate named Ricardo Duncan, who is described as a goth kid, so he was probably listening to Marilyn Manson, who they call the goth father. You know what I mean, which I didn't know that until a few years ago.
Speaker 2:Do they? Is that something new?
Speaker 1:no, we just called him fucking marilyn manson he was just marilyn manson, but he was the well, because that was the dawn of the goth era, when marilyn manson yes, he was no it was post grunge the dawn of the goth era who the fuck? Is ozzy osbourne. Leave me alone. That's the prince of darkness, the fucking god of all everythingbourne.
Speaker 2:Leave me alone. That's the Prince of Darkness, the fucking God of all everything goth. Leave me alone, hey Google.
Speaker 1:I mean you can go to whatever they call it, but I'm saying we're past. That Is, Marilyn Manson called the goth father.
Speaker 2:No, marilyn Manson is not typically called the godfather, not the godfather. Yeah, kiss his ring. What bullshit Get out of here. I Kiss his ring Bullshit Get out of here.
Speaker 1:I've heard it, I've seen it. A lot Okay On the internet web.
Speaker 2:I mean I'll go with it, Whatever. Just fucking Marilyn Manson to me. Well, so anyway.
Speaker 1:So, jennifer, she offered these guys $1,500 to shoot her dad dead in the parking lot of his workplace, but that plan did not go through.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:According to Jennifer. Daniel, then puts her in contact with his old friend Lenford Crawford, which he would just refer to?
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:But he referred to him as homeboy. Homeboy, and the new plan was to orchestrate a break in and kill her, jennifer, while leaving her parents untouched. This is according to Jennifer. Ok, her reasoning was that she didn't want to leave the shame of a suicide on her family, so homeboy was to kill her for $10,000. She was going to pay for her own death. This was according to Jennifer. Well, on November 2nd 2010, daniel texts Jennifer and says that he feels about Christine the way that she feels about him, yeah. And Jennifer says well, if you feel for her what I feel for you, then call it off with homeboy. And Daniel says well, I thought you wanted this for you. And Jennifer says well, I do, but I have nowhere to go. And then Daniel says call it off with homeboy. You said you wanted this with or without me. And Jennifer says I want it for me. The next day, daniel texts and says I did everything, I lined it up for you. And then shortly, they were back to their little weird baby talk, dirty, flirty texts.
Speaker 2:Dirty flirty, Dirty flirty. This is going to be bad, Mr Bubbles. This is going to be bad.
Speaker 1:Mr Bubbles, are you okay with your weapons?
Speaker 2:Are you?
Speaker 1:okay, monkey, mr Dingles, I love you. Mr Bubbles, yeah. So meanwhile, homeboy gets in contact with Eric, sean Cardi, who goes by Sniper, and then Sniper gets in contact with David. Hold on, let me get this right. Malvanginim, okay, hold on. Malvagator, malvagator, malvagator.
Speaker 2:Malvagator, malvagator, malvagator, malvagator, malvagator, malvagator, oh my God.
Speaker 1:Malvag-da-rock. Malvag-na oh my god, malvag Malvag-a-nim.
Speaker 2:Malvag-a-nim you got it, I got it.
Speaker 1:Malvag-a-nim. So Homeboy. Then texts Jennifer and says I need time of completion. Think about it.
Speaker 2:Doesn't Malvag-a-nim Sound like something you take to go to sleep?
Speaker 1:No, it sounds like A villain from a Marvel movie Legit Like Malvagnum. I can't even say it. I knew I was going to struggle with this while I was sober.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to leave all this in here, and I've had a few drinks, because this is kind of cool.
Speaker 1:I've had a few drinks and I'm really struggling. Now. Malvagnatory, yeah, now. So malvagnatory, yeah, okay. So, um, jennifer texts back and says today is a no-go, I got dinner plans so I won't be home in time. Then several texts were exchanged over the weekend and then on november 8th, homeboy texts her and says after work okay, we'll be game time. That was like the test. It's going down, it's going down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my Groucho face.
Speaker 1:Oh, you brought back the Groucho. Well, yeah, if you don't know what we're talking about, listen to our episodes on Myra Henley and Ian Brady Don't remember what number, but just scroll the Groucho eyebrows, the Groucho eyebrows. It's go time. So we're still on november 8th. Around 10 pm, jennifer unlocked the door to her house and went to bed and then spoke to david. She spoke to david yeah, she would have took some of that, david m malvagnum and yeah he would have went right to sleep malvagnum we're fucking his name up.
Speaker 2:So bad, so bad.
Speaker 1:We're sorry it's okay because fuck david okay so um soon after, david and two identified men came through the front door and they were armed and demanding money and began ransacking the house. They took Han and Bic to the basement and shot them both Right then and there Right then and there Wasn't about her at motherfucking all. Then they tied Jennifer to the staircase and left, and this is the 911 call that was made. Hey, ma'am.
Speaker 3:What the hell are you doing? Please, just don't call me Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. I don't have my parents, ma'am, calm down. Some people broke into our house. Okay, okay, it shows all his money. Okay, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, you only have this. Okay, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, where are you? What Avenue? Avenue Road? Yes, me, please. Hello, I need to know your address Avenue road. Can you spell the street address for me, please? I heard shots like pops. I don't know what's happening. I'm tied upstairs.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, lindsay, that's so chaotic, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Right, Well, a lot of that, if you couldn't understand, is in Vietnamese. But yeah, that's stressful as fuck, right Like holy shit.
Speaker 2:I think she's selling the Titanic right now. Motherfucking Titanic just got sold right.
Speaker 1:Well, as you get, OK. So the screaming in the background, that's Han. So Han survives the shooting and he runs outside.
Speaker 2:That's what she said. My dad just ran outside, ok, but Bic she did not survive.
Speaker 1:So Han is solo, oh my God. So Han ran outside, while Jennifer is quote unquote tied up and Bic she's no longer with us.
Speaker 2:Why am I getting all the eye rolls coming? You're just like.
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:You're like tied up Because Like this is bullshit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tied up, yeah, well, I've already lit up, you know. Led up to this whole thing that she's orchestrating this Right Oceanfront property in Arizona, but that fucking 911 call is insane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why I'm eye rolling, because either way, she just seen her dad bitch just put on a performance yeah, it was beautiful. It was beautiful, but still like, even if you set all that up, you just went through all that, so it's fucking easily sold.
Speaker 1:God, it's nasty so han runs out, he he's going outside to seek help, but he and he literally still has bullets in his body right, and when the ambulance came, they took him right to the hospital and but he would remain in a coma for a few days. So, jennifer, she was taken to the police department around 2 45 am and she was interviewed by Randy Slade Now, that is a name. Yeah that's a name. Yeah, that sounds like it was made. Is that Detective?
Speaker 2:Detective.
Speaker 1:Randy Slade, that's fire dude.
Speaker 2:I want to marry him right now. I guarantee he smells like if you look at so if you want to watch the documentary later.
Speaker 1:he looks just like a Randy Slade, Does he? He looks like a Randy Slade.
Speaker 2:I'm not gay by any means, but still that sounds sexy as fuck, dude. Okay, I'm changing it. It's no longer Mr Dinkles. I'm changing my private parts to Randy Slade.
Speaker 1:So, jennifer, she recounts her version of the events. And Slade, let her go around. It still goes mew.
Speaker 2:It's the goddamn tang of ray Lindsey.
Speaker 1:Woo my homie. So Slade, let her go around 4 am. But something just didn't seem right. Something didn't sit right with old Randy. My homie came through with a gang of tang.
Speaker 1:One thing that stood out to him was that Jennifer asked how much her phone would be investigated. Oh yeah, sore thumb. Now Han and Bic. Like I mentioned earlier, they both drove nice vehicles. They had a Lexus which was Bic's and a Mercedes which was Han's and it was thought that maybe they had been targeted because of their vehicles. And Bic this is so cute. She was out line dancing. That she did every Monday, like she went line dancing every week.
Speaker 2:You know how uncoordinated I am line dancing is fun as fuck but I look like a bumbling potato with two sticks but you know what I have taught you?
Speaker 1:a few dances and you rock the fuck out of them. Come on now, you do not you're like bitch, we know this one, this one, let's go, let's go dance.
Speaker 2:And when we're in an event where you know the predicted songs are going, to come on, you know, for our age, on a cruise ship we fucking rock that shit, girl, we do.
Speaker 1:Okay, we still do Okay, all right, I'm finishing my pineapple Vista Bay.
Speaker 2:I'm oning right now.
Speaker 1:Well, it was thought that maybe she was followed home after her line dancing class. And um, this was some intruders that thought that they may be able to get some valuables from a woman that drove Alexis. So Jennifer's home was now a crime scene. So she could. She couldn't go stay there, so she went and stayed with relatives while the investigation was underway. Crimes like this were extremely rare in this area. The neighborhood was baffled, Investigators were baffled. It was an insane situation.
Speaker 2:But was the setup even right? Did they take the right shit? Nope, we're going to get there shit.
Speaker 1:nope, we're gonna get there okay well, someone after you know, and everybody's out, they're trying to get information on this, to try to build a case, to try to understand what happened. Someone came forward and said that jennifer's boyfriend, daniel, had been a drug dealer. So they started looking into him, which is still. I'm sorry. It's wild to me because it was just fucking marijuana, but I do know just from being around that even just simple marijuana dealers will be in contact with people that can possibly be in heavier shit, right.
Speaker 2:Well, what other association do they have for a lead? That's it, that's it. That's all they have.
Speaker 1:So they started looking into Daniel and in his interview he said that he and Jennifer had been broken up for a while, but they had previously been together around six years, but it was pretty much all behind her parents back, and that was true. He told the truth about that and when they were found out, jennifer's parents said that he wasn't good enough for her and they didn't like that. He was Filipino and Daniel told the police that Jennifer's parents had made her choose him or them, and she chose them, but continued the relationship secretly pretty much until he met Christine. So then he told the police that he and Jennifer had been in contact again because they were both getting tons of prank calls and texts, but the truth was that those were all Jennifer.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Jennifer had been pretending to get them as well, so that her and Daniel would stay in contact. So Jennifer's phone was then investigated and she was interviewed again, pretending to get them as well, so that her and Daniel would stay in contact. So Jennifer's phone was then investigated and she was interviewed again. And you know, I listened to these interviews and Randy Slade he's really, he was excellent at his job. Every time you say his name I get wet. I know right, I get a lady bone. You get wet. It's crazy, but he was so.
Speaker 3:I need to lady bone.
Speaker 2:You get wet.
Speaker 3:It's crazy, but he was, so I need to go wipe.
Speaker 1:This is nasty. He was so excellent at his job. He was like I'm on your side, girl. You know, yeah, baby, I'm on your side too. He was like, so he was Shut up. Lindsay, I'm allowed to talk about Randy'm a slave.
Speaker 1:Leave me a moment all right so randy was telling her he was like you know, I understand, you've been under a lot of pressure. Your parents had crazy expectations for you that you just could not live up to. And so he, just like he, starts comforting her and, you know, just letting her get her guard down.
Speaker 1:He knows how to do his fucking job. And he was like you know you had to lie a lot and you weren't allowed to have any kind of life and you couldn't date who you wanted to and you were grounded as a woman in her twenties. That's still insane to me. I'm so sorry. I will never. I will never understand that.
Speaker 1:Here it comes, and it's just strange how the intruders shot your parents but not you, and the only thing that they took from the house was money from you, because she had had $2,000 in her room that she gave the intruders. But there was other money in the house, Like Han had 60 bucks in his wallet and Bic had $200 in her purse, but they didn't take that. And they had two very nice cars where the keys were visible to be taken. They could have drove off with that Lexus and that Mercedes, but they didn't, so why? Well, then they also. They were like how did you call 911 while you were tied up? And she reenacted it out for him perfectly, Ooh, Well, they let her go after the second interview. But now how do you convince?
Speaker 1:them Well she was officially go after the second interview. But now, how do you convince them? Well, she was officially a suspect now? Oh, so well, she had to plan her mother's funeral because daddy's in a coma. She had to plan her mother's funeral and her grandfather's funeral Because, shortly after Bic was pronounced dead, her father, who had already had health issues, he passed away as well. Oh, wow, yeah. So she had to plan her mother and her grandfather's funeral, along with Felix, her younger brother. And they're watching her at this funeral the investigators, the police you know she's under surveillance now completely and they noticed that there was no tears, Like she would hang her head and she would look like she was crying, but she would look up at them to see if they were watching.
Speaker 2:It was very ungenuine yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know she was trying to make these tears appear, but it just wasn't happening. Well, during all of this Han, he woke up, he came alive, he came out of his coma. Now, it took a few days for him to be able to talk, but when he did, he told police that the intruders were very friendly with his daughter, jennifer, like she knew them. So they interviewed her again and this time she tells them the story about how she was actually paying for her own murder, not her parents.
Speaker 3:But that it just ended up. It didn't seem likely.
Speaker 1:So Jennifer was taken into custody and they built their case. This would take three fucking years.
Speaker 3:Why.
Speaker 1:I don't know why, I really couldn't get it. But I mean, I guess it takes a while because they have to track down Eric Hardy, homeboy David, blah, blah, blah, blah blah and David. He was actually picked out of a lineup by Han Pan, david Sleep, hanpan, god. I don't know why I want to keep saying Hanpan, hanpan and the others. They actually connected through a burner phone. Yeah, tracking thing that they can do, yeah.
Speaker 2:So now, when you think you can get a burner phone and you're good, well, yeah, you're not good.
Speaker 1:So now, when you think you can get a burner phone and you're well yeah, because jennifer, jennifer she actually had two sim cards that she was switching in between and they tracked both them fuckers down because they were. If you watch the interviews, I highly recommend looking up all jennifer pan interviews on youtube, just first of all, so you can see how cool Randy Slade is while he's talking to her.
Speaker 2:I'm not allowed to drink Tangeray anymore, is it?
Speaker 1:making you horny for Randy Slade. Well, you gotta leave me alone about this Is it making you runny for Randy.
Speaker 2:I kind of got a little.
Speaker 1:You got a gin buzz going on there.
Speaker 2:It's a gin blossom going on back here for Randy.
Speaker 1:Well, david and homeboy, they have some previous criminal charges, and then the trial itself. The trial itself would take 10 months, jesus, 10 months Now. Everyone was charged with murder and or conspiracy to murder, and Jennifer would be labeled in the headlines as the daughter from hell. So I think that's what we're going to name this episode the daughter, the daughter from hell. So Jennifer she was sentenced to life in prison, with the first 25 would be without the possibility of parole, as well as Daniel Wong, eric Hardy and homeboy Linford.
Speaker 2:Crawford, I think it should be changed to. Jesse has it for Randy.
Speaker 1:And David.
Speaker 2:Sleep pill. I'm giving up on trying to pronounce his name Sleep pill man. You take it and you sleep for eight hours.
Speaker 1:And Jennifer. She was forbidden from contacting her family forever. Good Forbidden, done Now.
Speaker 2:Han the salad. Though Wait a minute, Lindsay the salad. Yeah, there's a salad there, it ain't good.
Speaker 1:And you know what's crazy is the public. And you know what's crazy is the public. There was a lot of Jennifer supporters because they could relate to the tiger style parenting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, normally we talk about that at the end, but I figure we're pretty fucking close.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're close, I'm in the last sentence here. So the salad on this you got to let your kids, you got to let your kids be themselves.
Speaker 2:You can't oppress them. And there's the point. Right there, we're not victim blaming.
Speaker 1:We're not victim blaming. There is no excuse for murder Period, never. But oppression can cause mental illness and mental illness can lead to psychosis.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then psychosis can lead to. Don't oppress your children. Whatever it is, just have Randy on your side, right there.
Speaker 1:Listen, I'm going to tell y'all 110%. Right now. Jesse and I don't have parenting figured out. We probably never will, but we have learned some things over the years from our own upbringing and from bringing up children trials and failures too you can't. You can't oppress up children, trials and failures too you can't oppress. It's hard to find a happy medium, but you have to let them be themselves, but just encourage them to be their best selves.
Speaker 2:If you don't, they're going to buck the fuck out. They're going to. You've got to let them. Just let them fail on their own.
Speaker 1:I was an oppressed child, completely.
Speaker 2:They have the right to fail Right. I was an oppressed child completely, and I mean they have the right to fail Right. I was.
Speaker 1:I was oppressed in the fact that I was not allowed to be around anything that was other than things that were godly, and guess what? It made me go in the opposite direction?
Speaker 2:I mean not really in the opposite direction. You just came into your own in a different way, right, and you, you, you live your life. I, you just came into your own in a different way, right, and you, you, you live your life, I learned how to believe in what I believe in. Yeah, and everybody failed. Everybody fails. You're allowed to grow up and fail and restart and become the human being that you are going to be, whether it's good, bad, whatever. You got to give them that chance.
Speaker 1:You can't force your children to be what you want them to be right I think is the whole message here. You have to let them learn who they are but coming up in a small vietnamese right community and also I mean in this community, that's as big as like twice the size of our cul-de-sac.
Speaker 2:Right, you can do that and get away with it, because you have nothing but oppression. You walk to a field, you harvest your crops, you come back home and you do your thing. I'm saying if it was a small Vietnamese village.
Speaker 1:Also in this community, most of the people on their street were related Right. They were all family, right Cousins.
Speaker 2:So they tried to keep that tight knitness. In a big world we're not exposed.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, just like him, he was pissed that Jennifer was dating a guy that wasn't Vietnamese Right, and sometimes your kids aren't going to date who you want them to date. You have to let them go through that. Yeah, let them fail. It sucks watching the heartbreak. It sucks watching the whole thing unfold, but you have to just let them do it.
Speaker 2:And let them learn. They have the right to try. They do. I let kids have the right to try as long as they're not hurting themselves, and then, as young adults, they have the right to try even if it does hurt themselves. They're grown, they're getting grown. They have to learn it. You know things hurt. High school sweethearts hurt, decisions that you do against your parents hurt Mm-hmm Trying to come into your own it hurts.
Speaker 1:But it's still in a safe way. I mean, okay, I understand, like your kid's still at home in their 20s and going to school and shit Grounding them and taking their phone from them in their 20s is insane to me, but it does not justify murder. And unfortunately Han is no longer able to work and he has constant nightmares and panic attacks. He's no longer able to live in his house, nor can he sell it due to what happened there. So, moral of the story, Tell the fucking moral of the story, Lindsay Don't oppress your children and children. You can't kill your parents. No, you can't. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I failed to mention this part in my notes, but it just came to my brain. She was set to inherit $500,000.
Speaker 2:Oh, motivation.
Speaker 1:Well, that was going to pay for the hit, and then she was going to have money left over to be able to go live with Daniel, because she had fucked up all of her education trying to lie, to try to not disappoint her parents. So it's just a circle, this is a circle.
Speaker 2:It's a shitty circle. It's this very shitty circle. Don't fuck up your parents, though, when they're trying to do good, but at the same time, they oppressed her. So there's your circle, your socle.
Speaker 1:That's your socle and we don't want to vent some blame. Nobody deserved to die in this situation, nobody Whatsoever.
Speaker 2:Nobody.
Speaker 1:Death is not the answer. Murder is not the answer.
Speaker 2:They didn't do anything to deserve that no.
Speaker 1:They just. Jennifer needed to do the right thing Grow up.
Speaker 2:She should have Say fuck you mom and dad and leave and say I'm going to do what the fuck I want to and go do her shit. Well, she should have went back in high school.
Speaker 1:She should have been like you know what I did not do great this year. Maybe I need some tutoring. Maybe I need some help.
Speaker 2:Or maybe I just give the fuck up. Fuck you, mom and dad.
Speaker 1:I'm out, yeah, because she could have went and lived with Daniel and worked at Boston.
Speaker 2:Pizza. I'm not going to grow up and take care of you. I don't like this culture anymore. Fuck you, mom and dad.
Speaker 1:That is what it boils down to. She could have went and lived with Daniel worked at Boston Pizza. They could have made a decent living and made a life.
Speaker 2:I mean it's harsh. But that was the point, the turning point in her life.
Speaker 1:Average Joe Jobs. Jesse and I both have average Joe Jobs. Her parents had average Joe Jobs and they worked themselves up to where they had a home, a lexus and a mercedes, off of working in a fucking car factory set up your lifestyle, stick with it and you can build from it you live, you, you uh live. Your means live within your means you plan out.
Speaker 1:you know we have, we may we take two major vacations a year. That's it. We live within our means. We buy what we need, we don't buy what we don't need.
Speaker 2:You get to tell me your fucked up stories. Yes, talk about Randy, and then we'll talk about Randy, and then we talk about who Randy?
Speaker 1:And I'm going to just say that we don't have the answer to all the problems, but we can see, looking through it hindsightly, there's just so many different avenues that could have been taken here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, never take my advice. I'm just full of shit and drunk. Take the toll bridge.
Speaker 1:Take the turnpike, take the turnpike. Don't ever go down the avenue of murder, because it's not the answer.
Speaker 3:It's not murder, because it's not the answer.
Speaker 1:No, it's not. And now Jennifer's just sitting in prison, when she could have just been working at Boston Pizza with her boyfriend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, her parents would have been disappointed. So fucking what?
Speaker 1:So fucking, what so fucking what my parents were disappointed for a very long time as well. And guess what? Now they're proud of me, and I'm proud that they're proud of you. Yes, they're proud of me. So, and I'm proud that they're proud of you yes, they're proud of me. I do not live anywhere near the way that they wanted me to live, but they're okay with the, with who I am, because I stopped apologizing for it about 12 years ago.
Speaker 2:Even parents that are oppressing the kids they grow up to, they have to accept you, to accept that your kid became something different.
Speaker 1:My parents came around Somewhat, we'll say somewhat. They're still trying to understand my thought process.
Speaker 2:They can accept it Times change. That's just what it boils down to. Things change. We don't have to be stuck in a rut. We can be our own people.
Speaker 1:So yeah, but once again, I'm just going to say you can see all of the interviews with Randy Slade and the third interviewer. His name was William Gates Bill Gates, but it's spelled different. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Nice.
Speaker 1:You can find those on YouTube, and then you can also watch the documentary on Netflix called what Jennifer Did. I listen to all of that. Plus, I listen to a Case File podcast on Spotify, which has a lot of those interviews as well, if you just want to do audio instead of visual.
Speaker 2:At this point, Lindsay, I don't think I need to drink that anymore.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, I have unholy thoughts About Randy Slade.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm totally kidding, but this fucking Taneray is good dude. Go get some of that shit.
Speaker 1:And what's it called? Hold on, I'm going to take off my headphones and go look at this cocktail.
Speaker 2:It is so damn good, and Lindsay just broke my fucking headphones. We're getting sloshed on this one dude. So, Tanqueray, Pay no attention to the alcoholism this is just part of the story.
Speaker 1:Am I allowed to say this word?
Speaker 2:You can't say it Vagina.
Speaker 1:What is it? Negroni cocktail. Yeah, hold on, let me put my shit back on. Hold on.
Speaker 2:Let's see, she went on an adventure.
Speaker 1:So it's Negroni cocktail. I don't even know, I'm just trying to make sure that I'm allowed to say this. So it's made with Tangray London dry gin, vermouth and bitter liqueur.
Speaker 2:It's so good you got to put it on the rocks and let it soak.
Speaker 1:So basically, Basically it's a martini with some bitters or or drunk, or an old patient, it's got me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's got me the Tengare and I didn't drink that much of it.
Speaker 1:The Tengare has made Jesse into this person that I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm sweating over here. I'm sweating Hold on. I want to show you the guy. Don't take a picture of me. I'm sweating over here. I'm sweating, hold on. I want to show you the guy.
Speaker 1:Don't take a picture of me. I'm not. No.
Speaker 2:You're going to show me the Slade.
Speaker 1:No, I'm going to show you the Tengare guy. Oh, tengare guy.
Speaker 2:Just don't show me that while the mic is hot Because I am very hot right now- See, look, look at him, look at him.
Speaker 1:Look at how suave Tangaray. Oh, I've seen that, yeah.
Speaker 2:I need to play music before I get you.
Speaker 1:What band are we plugging today?
Speaker 2:I want to play this band over here and I am so fucking excited I wrote it down. Tell them Blackbird, yeah, blackbird. Native American group. Okay, they're like Native American rock and they're kicking ass. They're like touring all around the United States. He has some new stuff out. The band is amazing.
Speaker 1:Hold on real quick. Look at that ad for Tangare. Holy shit, that's some smooth ass, suave shit.
Speaker 2:It says get that juice humming, my juice is humming dude.
Speaker 1:He's juicy for Randy Slade.
Speaker 2:But I need to play music because I am just fired up right now.
Speaker 1:So on your notes you put that the song's called Find my Way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Find my Way and these guys are amazing and I step back to some Native American stuff because it's a big part of your life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was, and I really enjoy it and I enjoy hanging out with some of the culture and just things you know different people, different things you know and the culture goes real deep with different areas of Native American Right. You know, it's like that's really fascinating to me and I used to super hyper fixate on on Native American stuff and just history you know. So I just want to share some of this stuff and I want you guys to check this shit out.
Speaker 3:And I'm going. Got one more song. Take what you want and leave All about you and never me. No more pretending it's all been seen. You were in it for you and that's on me. I'm leaving Way too long. I'm leaving way too long. I'm leaving. Got one more song. Take what you want and leave All about you and never me. No more pretending it's all been seen. You were in it with you and that's on me. Can't stop till I see this world, we'll be right back. One more fight. One last chance. One last night. I'm leaving. Been way too long. I'm leaving. Got one more song. You must be hit the ground, taking the road to the farthest town. Chase my problems with this glass. Another drink may be my last. Give it one more shot. These days are all you've got when you come around the bend. I belong on my friend. I've got one more win. One more fight. One last chance. One last night. I'm leaving. You Been way too long. I'm leaving, I'm leaving.
Speaker 1:I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'll be there. Got one more song. I need to find my way, find my way, find my way, find my way, find my way, find my way, find my way. Bye, by my way, by my way, by my way, by my way, by my way. That song is so good I was.
Speaker 2:I closed my eyes and I was like you know what? It was just a good traveling ass jam.
Speaker 1:If Jennifer just could have found her way, yeah, we wouldn't have been able to tell the story, you know we've been playing metal and fucking all these badass hardcore bands. We needed some good jamming Well we had some good jamming during Rockville. This was so good. I'm sorry you guys Listen. Rockville is already big enough, but we will make room for our listeners If you go with us next year. It's a beautiful experience because we had moments like that. What song has stuck with you since we left?
Speaker 2:Since we left Rockville, my God, sublime. Just anything that Sublime had played was amazing. And he's just like he said he played on his dad's guitar.
Speaker 1:He was 11 months old when his father passed away, and it stuck with me.
Speaker 2:Yes, it stuck with me. And when he just said that little, I'm playing on my dad's guitar, on my guitar, on my dad's guitar.
Speaker 3:When he said that.
Speaker 2:That was the only little thing that he said, and that little red guitar that he's so cute.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was so. And I mean, and he's a cutie, patootie man like absolutely I felt, brad, he's no slade. But you know, no, he's never any slate but he, but I felt brad through him.
Speaker 2:It felt like we were watching the presence.
Speaker 1:Yeah and yeah, he stuck with me. But also blue october. I don't know why, but that one's still been in my fucking head. Really hate me today, and that's the very first song or the very first band that we saw and that shit has been in my head all week.
Speaker 2:That was your whole theme for the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:You walked around and you could not get it out.
Speaker 3:Can't get it out of my head.
Speaker 2:No, just when we walked up and Sublime was playing and it was just like every tone that came out of that band live has been rent free.
Speaker 1:That was our perfect first experience of Sublime while we watched his. We're alive for that.
Speaker 2:And Soul Asylum, not Soul Asylum, soul Asylum. So who is Candlebox? Candlebox.
Speaker 1:I knew that's who you meant. Yeah, candlebox. Candlebox is stuck with me as well and fucking. Good Charlotte, all these comeback bands. Oh yeah, that was good with me too good charlotte is just like good charlotte has stuck with me. I'm fangirl always for yes and that was a great like I. We were sitting down and I stood the fuck up. I'm like you, little old assholes can all sit and whatever, but I'm going to dance.
Speaker 2:Oh, we danced together.
Speaker 1:And you sit up and then Targ was like fuck yeah.
Speaker 2:And they played a song that wasn't really a big hit and I knew every word and I was like I'm telling you right now I'm a big fan, I'm telling you right now that this was a big thing for me.
Speaker 1:Thank you, bill Cayley, for introducing me to Good Charlotte. Yes, thank you, Bill Kelly, but I discovered Good Charlotte through radio. But Blackbird, that song was fucking. It was a nice, good, fucking clean ass song. It took me straight back to the 90s. It did Right then it was perfect and these guys are doing some fire.
Speaker 2:So check these guys out. Do not fucking go to sleep on Blackbird. They're making moves. He's got way bigger songs than this and they're doing so good, so much better material than this. He's like yeah, I want you to play this one. I was like sweet, I love it to death. And then I started checking out their catalog. Fuck, they got new shit out too. Really good, really good jamming stuff.
Speaker 1:Love them. I love jams like that, just smooth.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Blackbird, hope to see you guys one time, maybe at a Native American thing. Maybe we'll go out to Gathering of Nations again. They'll be playing there, or something.
Speaker 1:That would be amazing. That was one of the best times of my life.
Speaker 2:Let's do that. There were so many rap groups. Remember the twins that were there the same Native American twins. That's also in one of the TV series that that I've watched a few times. They were fucking badass. They were a little Midnight.
Speaker 1:Express, though, was top tier. Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:Oh, just the, the power, the power of Native American singing, and it's just when they're hitting that drum the hand drum.
Speaker 1:that's a hand drum songs. Something else y'all you have no idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Look up Midnight Express.
Speaker 2:Southern Bear. Was it Southern Bear?
Speaker 1:Red Bear, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Red Bear. There was one of them that sang that song and they did the harmony with it. But anyhow, check out Native American groups. Look at these powwow drum groups.
Speaker 1:I thought it was Midnight Express.
Speaker 2:Midnight Express was there and they were down south. I competed with them one time. Yep, that was crazy. What am I doing? Competing against bands, groups?
Speaker 1:I think it was Red Bear, though, that we're thinking of right now North.
Speaker 2:Bear, it was North.
Speaker 1:Bear Was it.
Speaker 2:North Bear 100%. They did the harmonizing, the harmony.
Speaker 1:And then, we found out that you were pregnant with Silas the next weekend, I cried Daddy's boy so much oh God, you're my daddy's boy yeah, yeah, native American stuff is so cool, it is Spiritual. Very spiritual, embrace it Very.
Speaker 2:Embrace it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm Caucasian as fuck and I embrace the fuck out of it.
Speaker 2:Same, respect it. How's that same?
Speaker 1:yeah, do that I don't look caucasian, but I am and we're gonna have a celebrity native american on here.
Speaker 2:Eventually, somewhere around november, I'm gonna have a celebrity.
Speaker 1:Yes, we're gonna, yeah, because so our so we're coming up on june and we're gonna, we're gonna focus a lot on pride, pride month, awesome. And then, uh, we're coming up on June and we're going to focus a lot on Pride, pride month Awesome. And then we're going to go into, we're going to do Pride, we're going to go into some cult shit, yeah, and then we're going to do some Native American.
Speaker 2:Awareness Month. We're going to do that and when we come back down for around November we'll do Native Americans.
Speaker 1:You guys just stay tuned, because I got shit lined up for days.
Speaker 2:We got some cool ass guests coming. We got some badass music coming. We got some stuff that's been in movies coming. We got I mean, it's just, it's amazing. Aurora Wave was fucking badass with the singer from Attila.
Speaker 1:They're gonna be on Shiprock.
Speaker 2:They're gonna be on Shiprock. I seen them lock it down for days.
Speaker 1:Yes, nancy, nancy. So my nail tech, who was also absolute, she's that bitch.
Speaker 2:She goes to some shit nothing makes me wetter than Randy Slade is to watch one of these fucking bands become big and watch these babies grow up.
Speaker 1:So, nancy, my nail tech, slash festival, slash, I mean which? Just? We have a great time, we have the same musical interest and it was just like meant for me to be her nail client because we just, we, just we just click like that. We've went to louder than life together. We went to several, uh, rock fields together. We saw trans-siberian orchestra together. We have watched deftones together. Anyways, nancy is going to shiprocked and she was naming off and she said aurora rave. I said bitch, we just featured them on our podcast two episodes ago congratulations, aurora wave.
Speaker 1:You deserve it, yes and I wish we were gonna be on that shiprocked.
Speaker 2:Oh fuck, dude, we need to do it.
Speaker 1:Let's just, we're going to, let's do the last one that we planned got relocated.
Speaker 2:Let's do a lowercase cruise next year and then that one, yeah, lowercase cruise, then that one Bumping Right now I'm locking it in Bumping oh.
Speaker 1:Let's do it. It's done, we'll just tell Nancy to figure it all out, and we'll just pay the money said though like us, follow us, subscribe. Yes, leave us a review to help us get in that algorithm.
Speaker 2:Your story with randy slade fuck jennifer.
Speaker 1:It's all about randy slade.
Speaker 2:It's all about randy slade this story is going to be called. Randy slade made me wet, along with the tangerine. This is fun dude. Yes, I'm a fun off of this. I'm a very fun goofy. I'm very fun goofy. But I'm going to leave that right there. We'll see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 1:Next Friday with something new. I don't know yet. I got two that I'm juggling with, trying to figure out which one I want to do.
Speaker 2:So we'll see you then though.
Speaker 1:Yes.
