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EPISODE 35: The Harvey Milk Legacy
When Harvey Milk took his seat on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in January 1978, he shattered a barrier that many thought impossible to break. As the first openly gay elected official in California, his victory represented hope for a community that had long been forced into silence. But less than a year later, that hope would face its darkest day.
This episode delves into the remarkable life and tragic death of Harvey Milk, a pioneer whose activism extended far beyond gay rights. From his early days as a Navy veteran who faced discrimination to becoming the vocal "Mayor of Castro Street," Harvey's journey reflects the challenges and courage of the early LGBTQ+ rights movement. We explore how his camera store became the unlikely headquarters for a revolution, and how his advocacy extended to working mothers, affordable housing, education, and neighborhood safety.
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Hey Jesse, hello Lindsay.
Speaker 2:What are you drinking today?
Speaker 1:It's caramel, yeah, and apple and apple and crown and crapple Mm-hmm, and I just couldn't wrap my head around the whole thing.
Speaker 2:Caramel- apple, it's actually caramel.
Speaker 1:Caramel, caramel. Who says caramel? Who says caramel?
Speaker 2:Well, it's spelled caramel.
Speaker 1:Is it? Yeah it.
Speaker 2:Who says caramel? Well, it's spelled caramel, is it yeah?
Speaker 1:It's C-A-R-A-M-E-L, so I was raised caramel. It's caramel, but I was raised caramel.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:A lot of people say. A lot of people say caramel, is that a potato?
Speaker 2:potato thing, right now Tomato.
Speaker 1:Is that what that is right now? Is that where we're living right now?
Speaker 2:Cause I didn right now, because I didn't know that I was.
Speaker 1:I've always thought caramel. And you're like, it's caramel, yeah, but that's how it's. I mean, that's literally how it's spelled. Yeah, caramel. You look at the box. Why the fuck was I taught to look at that and say caramel? Most people that I know say caramel. Is that a southern thing, or is it an american thing? Or is that an appellation thing? Or is that a old english thing? Because we were talking about old english language and you know how much it's fucking changed over the last 500 years it has a lot I mean, yeah, caramel apple though hey yes caramel apple.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna say fucking caramel apple. I'm sorry, caramel, we're going to have fights later on.
Speaker 2:I actually won a bet over that some years ago.
Speaker 1:You won a bet.
Speaker 2:Yes, Somebody bet me that it was spelled caramel and I'm like no, it's not. So we stopped at the store and looked at a caramel candy bar and I'm like voila and I won ten dollars caramel, it's a great day, caramel, caramel, I mean sleep token. Just came out with a song called caramel and it's spelled caramel I'm gonna call it caramel.
Speaker 1:Fuck you, I'm calling it caramel a sweet token song caramel yeah, yeah, it's caramel it's smooth and whatever smooth.
Speaker 1:And because you can't say caramel is silky because it's not sticky it is smooth well, no, you're saying it and you're like caramel and caramel, but when you're doing that little dance over there, so fucking hot so you're gonna ask me what I'm drinking because I have a new drink? No, I'm just worried about the fight that we're having later on about caramel and caramel and tomatoes, tomatoes, potatoes and potatoes. Over here, what are you drinking, lindsay?
Speaker 2:I got a new seltzer that I had seen, this TikToker guy that cooks really good foods. He's always drinking these and they're called Happy Dad seltzers. Happy Dads and so this is an organic reaction right now. Okay, we're going to see if it's better than Vista Bay, better than White Claw, better than Truly.
Speaker 1:Here we go. What, what do you think?
Speaker 2:No, I like Vista Bay better.
Speaker 1:This is a happy dad's drink.
Speaker 2:But I did just brush my teeth. So maybe we'll wait for the second one to give it a go that looks like a straight up happy ass.
Speaker 1:dad's. Dads don't get fucking flame and fire and cool shit on their can. This shit has like blue and red. Happy dad, that's it. It is fucking generic as fuck. Happy ass dads. That's all you get. Dude, I'm looking at this can right now.
Speaker 2:Happy Father's Day.
Speaker 1:Oh well, basic, hard, hard.
Speaker 2:Happy Dad's Seltzer that's what it says Happy dad Hard seltzer is what it says happy dad, hard seltzer.
Speaker 1:I'm just starting to the fucking top and going down and it's just like it looks like it is very soft at this point you want to give it a try. I guess I can try it, but I mean, I don't know, man, I want to see if it makes you a happy dad it's as exciting as standing in line to get into a theme park that gets closed down before you get there. Alright, I'm going to try it. Here we go.
Speaker 2:It's not bad to me. I don't know it's not bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 2:I didn't say it was bad, I just feel like it's not as good as this today you know it's good, you're like it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, give it a moment, it's good, but basic, fucking happy dads. Tighten up, dude, put some fucking unicorns and fucking rainbows on that bitch somewhere I want you to do what roll that?
Speaker 1:intro intro. Oh, okay, well, I will. But I was just saying, do something cool with that shit, do something cool with that. Happy dad's can is just so stripped down like I really, I really want something cooler than that. And then lizzie's like roll that fucking beautiful bean footage intro. And then she gets up and runs the fuck away. Oh, now she's back. Now you're back, hello, hello. Yeah, you ran all the way, like all the way across the house. What did you do?
Speaker 2:What did you do? I just went and grabbed my pineapple savers vape.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're vaping. Yes, Happy dad's Can Fuck you. The flavor's good though.
Speaker 2:But seriously, this will come out after Father's Day, but happy Father's Day Belated. Yeah, thank you To all of our listeners, we'll one day figure out that we've got holidays. We need to address them before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I get it. There's a whole delay, whatever you know, I get it.
Speaker 2:But so listen, what made you feel old? Today, this week, not just today this week, I wrote it down.
Speaker 1:I wrote it down. I was like Lindsay listen, here I have gray hair in my nose and they look like little gray boogers, so that made me feel old feel, by the way it's thundering outside, if y'all hear that no, I got these. I was looking at the mirror in my car and I was like dude, there's these little gray hairs in my nose and and I had to go home and trim them because they look like little gray boogers.
Speaker 2:So do you have the little thing?
Speaker 1:yeah, I got a cool little trimmer thing, but I didn't even notice until I looked into my mirror. You need to tell me about this shit, dude, cause I'm like I don't notice your gray nose hairs.
Speaker 2:Do you notice my gray chin hairs?
Speaker 1:No, I don't, I never know. Well, every Friday she does. Every Friday Lindsay does these everything. What's she called? Lindsay does these everything, what she calls everything clean. Yes, the everything, shower Everything shower the yes queen I don't ever notice anything Never have, never will.
Speaker 1:But when I look in my mirror, sometimes in my rear view mirror, when I'm driving to go get a you know hamburger or whatever for lunch or whatever, I'm like whoa dude, like my whole nose looks like this gray goblin hanging out in there. So it's like old gray nose hairs. You don't have any gray nose hairs anybody.
Speaker 2:No, I do have gray chin hairs though.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean I got gray everything but nose hairs like stand out. There's like a whole ass fucking thing in there.
Speaker 2:It's crazy fucking thing in there. It's crazy. Well, mine was that I have a grandbaby old enough to tell his mother to text me what he wants to eat when he comes to our house and that just blew my mind.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you're old?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean not in a bad way, but like I have a grandchild old enough to voice their opinion.
Speaker 1:It's weird, it's so weird it's still. I really sunk in, you know I love them so much. We had the best day we had, the greatest day today they spent the night last night yeah, it was phenomenal, he wanted.
Speaker 2:He wanted little baby hot dogs he was cool cat.
Speaker 1:We call him catfish catfish because he's like a little swimming water bug. Yes, they're water babies. Yeah, it's so cool, love it. So cool, love it, love it.
Speaker 2:Yes, so if you are new here, what we do is we have a drink. We talk about some true crime. Well, actually I don't. The story that on Jesse that he usually, for the most part, doesn't have any clue about. Sometimes he knows a little bit, but not all the details tells and um, at the end of the episode we plug a band that jesse has found and loved and came became friends with and got permission.
Speaker 2:That's my job. Yes, that's his job, that's his part of the pot and he does all the technical stuff. So, but, um, yeah. So today we are going to it's pride month, so happy pride to all. Thank you to all of my LGBTQ plus people in the community. Yes, so we're going to talk.
Speaker 1:I wasn't done, lindsay. I hit the wrong button to begin with, okay.
Speaker 2:We apologize for that. That wasn't.
Speaker 1:Oh, I hit the wrong button to begin with. Okay, we apologize for that. Wait a minute, I was going to let you just keep talking over it. No, okay, go ahead. I'm sorry. Hey, I took a drink of this, this caramel apple, and it's so fucking good, dude. Oh, I bet.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I feel like an eight-year-old at the fair right now with a lot of I bet, oh, I bet, that does have a really good taste, like it gives you fall feels.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the alcohol in here though.
Speaker 2:Matt, you remember when our girl Stacy brought over? There's a Camel Apple Jell-O shots. Yeah, Fuck, that was good.
Speaker 1:This shit, dude Bangin', jello shots. Yeah fuck, that was good. This shit, dude banging, I'm going back, I'm getting more. I want one more whole set.
Speaker 2:We're gonna back up and punt just one more time, okay. Well, so today we're going to be talking about a very important um figure in the lgbtq. History was made because of this man, and he's a very important figure, and he's a politician as well, really, yes, so we're going to be talking about Harvey Milk.
Speaker 1:I have no idea.
Speaker 2:Never heard of him.
Speaker 1:Harvey Milk yes.
Speaker 2:Harvey Milk.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:So Harvey Bernard Milk was born May 22nd 1930 in Woodmere, new York, to William Milk and Minerva Carnes.
Speaker 1:So that's like back in the day. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, give us some time. He's going to be like 60s, 70s.
Speaker 2:No, let me tell the story. Okay, I'm just trying to I'm trying to predict anything, let me pocket.
Speaker 1:So well, last time, lindsey, I predicted the fuck out of it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, but that was meant to be.
Speaker 1:This is not this is just let me to be. This is this is right, the way giving you a history lesson and let you hack at me.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's okay, thank you so harvey's grandfather had immigrated from lithuania and opened a small department store and it was successful. And then he, you know, branched out and his father continued to run it and while Harvey was growing up, so the family were Jewish as well. So Harvey was big into that religion and, you know, was a member.
Speaker 2:They were members of the synagogue, the local synagogue around here and um, even harvey was like the class clown in school because he was teased for some of his features. He kind of had big ears. He was a cutie patootie. But you know, kids are horrible yeah, cultural, like resistance.
Speaker 1:You know, you see somebody that's a little bit different. They're gonna be like on you, yeah, like.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, always immediately. So he turned that teasing around and just became funny. And he did play football, but he developed a love for the opera and the theater at a very young age. Same Hardy Harvey attended and graduated from Bayshore High School and then went on to New York State College for teachers, where he majored in mathematics and history.
Speaker 1:Why am I thinking about Bayside High School? What was Bayside High School?
Speaker 2:Wasn't that? Oh, that was Saved by the Bell.
Speaker 1:Saved by the Bell?
Speaker 2:Yes, Bayside, zach Morris Zach.
Speaker 1:Screech, morris, screech, and what was.
Speaker 2:Mario Lopez's name Mario.
Speaker 1:Lopez Slater and Kelly and Elizabeth.
Speaker 2:And Lisa.
Speaker 1:Saved by the bell.
Speaker 2:I was such a great show. Bayside, but this is Bayshore High School.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, he went on and graduated from New York State College. Such a great show. Bayside, yes, but this is Bayshore.
Speaker 2:High School, bayshore. Okay, so anyway, he went on. He graduated from New York State College. He majored in mathematics and history and he wrote for the class newspaper. Now Harvey knew from a very young age that he was gay, but of course you couldn't talk about such things back then. And after completing college, harvey joined the Navy during the korean war and served as a diving officer. You know, I'm like that shit scares the fuck out of me, but that would be a great job you had to be a diving master to be a diving officer.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's cool he, yeah.
Speaker 2:He transferred um to naval station san diego and was a diving instructor there. He resigned, though, in 1955 as Lieutenant junior grade, because he was forced to accept that instead of other than honorable.
Speaker 1:Honorable discharge yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, hold on. So he was forced to accept that the junior grade other than honorable discharge because his homosexuality was now known and he could have been court-martialed because of that. So he had to accept the other than honorable discharge instead of taking or going before the court-martial because of his homosexuality. So he went back home to New York and took a math teacher position at George W Hewlett High School on Long Island, the home of your favorite tea.
Speaker 3:Mmm.
Speaker 2:Long Island iced tea.
Speaker 1:I kind of feel like this shit right here that I'm drinking is my favorite right now.
Speaker 2:Oh, I bet.
Speaker 1:Oh, so good.
Speaker 2:So in 1956, Harvey met Joe Campbell at a popular beach for gay men in queens called jacob rise park. I want to say that's how you say it's r double. Is you think that's right? Rise, jacob rise, I don't know, but yeah, hell yeah so these two moved in together and then they moved to dallas, which bless their hearts. I don't think that they understood what was going to happen in Dallas, but they had problems finding jobs and the gay scene was nothing like it had been in New York. So they moved back.
Speaker 1:I can imagine Dallas is probably a lot, so he had his own thing, he was his own person and got out of the military, basically, and decided to move to Texas.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Not going to fly at that time.
Speaker 2:Well, he wanted. What I read in an article is he wanted warmer climate, right. And so you know, maybe they just spun the globe.
Speaker 1:At least he didn't move to North Georgia. Oh God, the Corpsewood Manor.
Speaker 2:Like our poor fucking Dr Scudder.
Speaker 1:That is almost breaking a hundred downloads right now. Lindsey isn't that cool, yes, so check out corpsewood manor yeah, that was cool. But like, okay, people can do their own thing, be their own people. I don't care, I'll support you and if you're my friend, you know I'm gonna fully support you and you know you do your own thing. Just live and let live. So he was doing his own thing and now he had to move back because he wasn't accepted in texas. Is that what you're?
Speaker 2:saying no, not at all what I'm just saying he the gay scene wasn't what he thought it was gonna be when he moved to dallas right so we moved back to new york.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what I just said. Yeah, so we moved to Texas and it wasn't his thing, because it really wasn't there, so he moved back.
Speaker 2:But I didn't say anything about him not being accepted. I haven't gotten to any of that yet.
Speaker 1:Well, right, right, Right right.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:I was just trying to gather I haven't gotten down deep into it yet feelings of moving over there and then having to move back, you know. So that's okay.
Speaker 2:So Harvey taught school back in New York for a while and also worked as a stock analyst in Manhattan. Now his relationship with Joe did end after six years and then he started dating another man named Craig Rodwell in 1962. Now Craig was big into the gay rights movement, which at the time made Harvey a little uncomfortable. He wasn't big on being outed quite yet and he did in that relationship because Craig liked to agitate the police and he wasn't trying to be in anybody's face just quite yet about sexuality and about his um, his thoughts and things like that. So now at the end of World War II San Francisco had become quite the spot for gay men because the military would just kind of dump them off at that port and those men would just stay there instead of going home to face shame from their families. And that community just grew and grew by 1969. So that was just. San Francisco was kind of just like a lot of those port towns.
Speaker 1:They had communities of acceptance.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, the port towns were just kind of where the military would just dump them off if they found out that they were gay.
Speaker 1:So they had like little areas that they were accepted though. That's what I was talking about. So they had like little areas that they were accepted though.
Speaker 2:That's what I was talking about. Well, they didn't want to go home because they had pretty much been dishonorably or other than honorably discharged from the military because of their sexuality. So instead of going home and facing shame and scrutiny from their families and friends, they just kind of hung out in those port towns.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm getting at. There was a spot that they could feel accepted if they would just stay there instead of going home and be rejected.
Speaker 2:Right. By 1969, san Francisco had more gay people per capita than any other city in America, so that's where Harvey would take up a permanent residency. He protested against vietnam war and became quite the activist for gay rights, and he was proclaimed the mayor of castro street, where he did live, and that community was predominantly gay. He opened a small camera store there and the reason that he did this was because he had taken some pictures of him and a guy that he was dating, and they were ruined by the film developers Like just none of them.
Speaker 1:Not cool, you're not doing that shit here, right yeah.
Speaker 2:And he was like well, you know what, If I open my own store, this won't happen. So he did. So this camera store became way more than that, Like one teacher came in to rent a projector for her class because there wasn't enough for all the teachers. So Harvey was like okay, teachers need more materials. Let's make some moves on that. So he did the thing and he helped out and got more funds towards schools.
Speaker 1:So he was an activist toward education, trying to help the kids out.
Speaker 2:So much more yeah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:He actually helped pass a law to develop the pooper scooper because there was. The dogs were just shitting everywhere.
Speaker 1:The pooper scooper, yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 2:So he got that that law passed to where people had to clean up their fucking dog shit.
Speaker 3:Right, which is great.
Speaker 2:I mean, I completely agree. You know I got so mad one day, me and Silas and Landon have went down to little river. This was during COVID. It was right after they had opened some of the water stuff back up and we could go. You were at work but it was like a Wednesday, you know, I was still out of work, but it was just something for them to do. So I took them and this guy asked me for a Dollar General bag that I had because I had some snacks and stuff.
Speaker 1:I was like sure, so because he cleaned up his dog's poop, but then he just left it there.
Speaker 2:He left the bag, so he cleaned it up and then left the poop right there instead of right there. In that five feet to the garbage, can it?
Speaker 1:was like bro, what a great effort, yeah he missed the whole point, just pick the shit on up, thank you for cleaning it up, not we not stepping, but can you throw it away? Into a spot where nobody else has to fuck with it. Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:So the camera store then became campaign headquarters for Harvey's first run of the Hold on. Let me get this out because it's so weird. It's not like just like a city official, it's the Board of City of city supervisors for San Francisco. Now he lost that race, but continued to be a local activist. Like, two gay men were trying to open a shop in the Castro area and other business owners were trying to block this from happening. So Harvey and a few other business owners started the Castro Village Business Association, and this was the first organization in the United States to be made up of LGBTQ businesses. Harvey would become the president of this association as well. Like he was making moves. He was doing a whole lot of positive things for his community.
Speaker 1:Right, I get it and he's doing a lot for the kids and everything, but he was just fighting acceptance for him being him, him being him Right.
Speaker 2:And Harvey worked hard to strengthen the community's economics and political power, to prove that Castro wasn't just a place to live. But it was a movement Like here we are. We're here, we're queer, but it was a movement Like here we are. We're here, we're queer, we're making shit happen. We're still good people, you know Right, let us exist, let us be who we are.
Speaker 1:It wasn't a personal agenda at all.
Speaker 3:No, it was just all around, just being Acceptance.
Speaker 1:You know, an activist toward good things.
Speaker 2:Right, and I mean he was a pioneer. I mean honestly for that community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because nobody else gave a fuck about the kids. But he did Right, Right.
Speaker 2:In 1974, harvey put together the first Castro Street Fair to attract more people into the local businesses and it was a huge success so successful in fact. The other gay communities did the exact same thing, like they modeled after his example. And in 1975, harvey ran for the board of supervisors again and he came very close. That time, like before he had lost by like a landslide. This time he was, he was really close and his accomplishments gained him the recognition of Mayor George Moscone, who was an ally for LGBTQ rights, and he offered Harvey a job on the Board of Permit Appeals and this made him the first. This made Harvey the first openly gay city commissioner in the country, like number one.
Speaker 2:The first, the very first yes openly gay city commissioner in the country Like number one, the first, the very first. Yes. Now, even though he was very grateful for being appointed to his position, he did want to be elected. He wanted the respect of his community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he wanted the right to be able to make change for the better, right. Whether his, you know, his social status, his sexual status, it did not matter. He was trying to do good shit, exactly so all that didn't matter. You know, accept it and look at what he's actually trying to do and then help him. I mean, that's where I, that's where I'm at, you know, right? Yeah, no matter what, what time and age it was and how closed-minded you can be, look at what he's really trying to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, like I said, this was still in 1974. This was in 1974. And he started making these moves in the late 60s. Like I said, he was really a pioneer. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:He was making good shit happen. They should have let it happen. No fucking friction there on in my mind, you know. Let it happen, help, help all the people you know right well.
Speaker 2:Harvey then ran for the california state assembly, but he did lose that as well. But harvey and his campaign manager and cronenberg did not give up on making moves and change and he was finally successfully elected onto the san francisco city board of supervisors. This win was huge historically and personally. For harvey, like he was, this was just boom. Like here I am. I'm harvey and I'm gonna do good shit, even though I'm gay and I know some of y'all don't like that, but I'm here.
Speaker 1:Finally made it to the top of the hill. Yeah, finally.
Speaker 2:So he was officially inaugurated on January 9th 1978 and introduced Jack Lyra as his lover and partner in life. So he was like, yes, I'm gay, this is who I'm with, because it's not legal for me to be married to him at that point it was not at all, of course, because that just happened. What a decade ago yeah, about, yeah um.
Speaker 2:So he, of course, continued to fight for gay rights, but also advocated for working moms and daycare centers, pushed for converting abandoned military sites into affordable housing and for tax reforms that could help struggling businesses.
Speaker 1:So all around intelligent dude making good fucking moves, oh yeah. Just was attracted to other men, that's it. Why do you hold that against somebody that's actually making good fucking moves?
Speaker 2:Right, and that's why I have. We have taught our children that love is love. That does not define who you are, because, no matter who we are attracted to, everybody's going to make mistakes. Everybody's going to have to learn from those mistakes, but love is love. We cannot help who we love and who we love is nobody else's business. Right Period.
Speaker 1:You don't have to establish that. If you're trying to establish something good, either way, right, it's nobody's business.
Speaker 2:And he pushed for the mayor to invest in safer neighborhoods, better policing, and pushed for expanding library services for the Castro neighborhood. And then there was this ballot initiative called Proposition 6, which threatened to force all gay teachers out of public schools. And Harvey wasn't having that shit, and there is an amazing speech that you can look up and I'll get into that a little more later. But he spoke at an event called the San Francisco Freedom Day Parade and it was iconic and we'll get into that a little later. He also encouraged other gay leaders and business owners and teachers and members of the community to also speak out. Like, come on, like I'm only one person, you guys have a voice too. Come on, you know, follow me in this movement. So Proposition 6 was defeated and this encouraged more and more people of the LGBTQ community and their supporters to keep fighting for rights and to speak out on laws and acts that were oppressing them. Now, unfortunately, being outspoken does come with a price, and Harvey started to get death threats constantly, but it didn't shut him up. So, and he just he became more prepared. He would record versions of his will and he would write like notes and messages. He just kept a very good document, documentation of everything that he wanted to happen, if something was to ever happen to him.
Speaker 2:Harvey had an opponent in the same board of supervisors named Dan White, who had more conservative views. Dan was a Vietnam vet and had also been a police officer and a firefighter. He had left his job as a firefighter to be on the board of supervisors and it was taking a financial toll on his family and even though he also had a potato stand at Pier 39, he just wasn't making ends meet. So on November of 1978, dan White announced at a press conference that he was going to resign from his position. Announced at a press conference that he was going to resign from his position. Now this shocked Mayor Muscone because even though they were opposed on a lot of ideas, dan was a diligent public service public servant, excuse me and he had only been in the position about 10 months, you know. So he was like damn, you're already giving up because that's quite a long term, isn't it? A city official?
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:So Dan did send in his formal letter of recognition. Resignation sorry, autocorrect on my script here resignation and the mayor was going to have to announce his replacement. And the mayor was going to have to announce his replacement. So on the 14th of November this was 1978, dan hit up the mayor and was like you know what, never mind, I don't want to resign. Can you reinstate me Pretty please? And being the cool mayor that Muscogee was, he looked into the legalities of being able to do this and he told Dan. He said let me call the city attorney and I'll get back with you. So Mayor Muscoe called Dan back and said that he might be able to do this, but you need to give your reasonings to the media about why this is happening.
Speaker 2:So Dan tells the media that his constituents and his family had urged him to stay and leaving his position would harm the district. I mean, they did vote him in and he did say that his family was going to help out with the potato stand so he could focus more on his duties as a city supervisor. So Mayor Muscone was in complete support of him and if legal issues did come up, he was willing to use his power to reappoint Dan into his position. But legal issues did arise and the legal team they said you know what, we need a little time to review all this. So on November 17th same year 78, it was decided that Dan White's resignation was final. But Mayor Muscold looked into what he could do to reappoint him and Dan sent an official letter stating that he appreciated his efforts. But after speaking with residents and even other supporters, mayor Muscold was urged not to reinstate Dan.
Speaker 1:So it was just not accepted. They were just like no, whatever, you're not. No, that was the opposition, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, he had conservative views, right.
Speaker 1:So the conservative?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was a staunch conservative.
Speaker 1:They did not want to reinstate the conservative one that was the yeah, because they were trying to move forward.
Speaker 2:We're trying to make change okay.
Speaker 1:So I was thinking that they were, you know, um supporting the other feller, where it was just like well, harvey was in a different district okay, yeah dan was, you know, because you have.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's basically a county commissioner, like we call them here. Those are like more city commissioners, because san francisco is a lot bigger so city and county type thing?
Speaker 1:okay, right, okay, no, I was just letting you roll on, your on your whole thing and I was trying to follow it and I was like, so they didn't want to let him do that because he had cool ideas. But that was the conservative.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, okay, so Dan, okay, let me recap real quick. So you're?
Speaker 1:on board. I'm on board. Harvey is a city official.
Speaker 2:He's good he's in. Yeah, dan is a city official who put in a resignation because he said he was not getting paid enough in his position.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and they wouldn't reinstate him. He was just like eh, reinstating him he's just like.
Speaker 2:Well, he put in the resignation first. He was the one that backtracked on it and wanted to come back right. And they were like hey, you already said right. Then the city attorney says no, your, your shit is final. You, you, you resign, you resigned. You put in your letter of resignation, you held a press conference about it, this is final. So the rest of the board didn't want Dan reappointed as well, because they would prefer someone with more of a liberal mindset.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:As they were trying to move forward with change and Dan was not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, I'm just trying to get into the political side of like I know.
Speaker 2:But politics, fuck me up. You know that I hate politics.
Speaker 1:Well, getting into the political side of like the politics, fuck me up. You know that I hate all they do to me too. Yes, me too. And then if you try to tie in some bullshit ass like judgment on somebody's sexuality, so it's just like you have a an amazing idea says that he wasn't really opposed to the lgbtq community right, but he was still stuck in old school ways right, that's.
Speaker 1:That's where I'm trying to wrap all this together in, and I'm not trying to like argue with you on no no I'm not arguing with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you made it seem like you weren't understanding who I was talking about no, I was just trying to go.
Speaker 1:Like he stepped back because he was trying to let him know that's not what happened at all, and then he dove back in because he was trying to opposite.
Speaker 2:He resigned because he wasn't making enough money to meet.
Speaker 1:To meet the job, to stay in that position, okay.
Speaker 2:Because he was working at this potato stand like 60 hours a week, plus his job as a city official.
Speaker 1:So I'm just trying to tie all that together with him not being an actual opposition. He was actually. He was genuinely just not making enough money. He was wanting more money.
Speaker 2:Right. I mean he did oppose a lot of their ideals for change, right. But nobody was forcing him to resign, he just did it himself.
Speaker 1:I mean you see how this whole conversation would come to play like where I'm trying to understand. Is he really just saying you know, am I not making enough money, or am I trying to be in opposition toward this guy for being it?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I would think that that would make him want to say more.
Speaker 1:Right, you know, to oppose all of these Right. Well, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2:But no, he had originally resigned because he was not making enough money. Okay, period Period.
Speaker 1:And it was just like I'm hearing your story and I'm like is this guy just doing all this shit, dropping out and then coming back in Because at first he supported it, and then now he's dropping out and then coming back because he wants to oppose it, because he's trying to be conservative, because of this guy's sexuality?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, okay, no, not at all Okay, but the board. Sorry about the whole break and everything. No, no, I want to make a debate between Bill Clinton and Bob Dole. When I was a child and I have not been the same since I was bored out of my fucking mind and I have been about politics- Forever.
Speaker 1:You shut down then?
Speaker 2:Like I go to you or Aaron Russell if I want to know anything politically. That's going on.
Speaker 1:Well, the only thing I look for in politics is something that would genuinely affect our lives Right Period. I don't care about the rest of the world and all their bullshit. Let that play out. What is going to affect me and Lindsay? Right, and that's it.
Speaker 2:And our friends and family Right.
Speaker 1:What is going to affect us period in our household?
Speaker 2:The rest of it don't worry about, like just at the same time, whatever, if it affects people that I care about, that also means a lot to me yeah, but if it affects me and you, it's going to affect them too.
Speaker 1:But that's all we need to worry about. The rest of it's going to come into play or and a lot of it's bullshit and fear-mongering, so that's why I don't just just really wrap into it as play as Play more music. Hey, yes, fuck politics, we're here for music, right?
Speaker 2:Make tacos, not war.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, so where was I at? So we got into that, so you understand now.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, and I wasn't trying to like stop you and change all this, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I want you to understand because it's fixing, it, shit's fixing to hit the paint.
Speaker 1:Okay, I just didn't know if he was like backing out and using this because he wanted to come back in because of such a thing.
Speaker 2:You understand, period dan white left because he wasn't making enough money. Now he's trying to stay on so that he can keep some conservative shit in there, because his family and supposedly his constituents have have told him he needs to do that.
Speaker 1:I'm overthinking it, so you can go ahead.
Speaker 2:I mean, of course you know he's conservative, so he probably didn't really like the gay stuff.
Speaker 1:Exactly yes.
Speaker 2:So well, the city attorney said this is final, final ruling. Dan's resignation is legally binding and there were no loopholes for him uh to be, for him to be able to return to his seat. So Dan was pissed and publicly declared that he rejected this ruling and he insisted that he was still the supervisor of district 8. But that's not really how it works, dan. Sorry, you did this. You resigned and said never mind, sorry, I, I changed mind, but it doesn't work out that way.
Speaker 2:Mayor Muscoe was going to have to appoint a new supervisor on Monday November 27th at a press conference scheduled for 1130 am. Now Dan White lost his shit. And on that Monday November 27th, dan loaded his 38th special revolver and brought 10 extra bullets with him and headed down to City Hall. Now Dan knew that there were metal detectors at the front of the building. He also like called up his secretary or his aide, is what the official name was and was like hey, can you give me a ride Because my wife's got the car. I need a ride. And of course nobody knows what's going on in Dan's mind, but Dan. So she gives, she picks him up, she gives him a ride to city hall.
Speaker 2:He went through the window of an engineer's office and went to Mayor Miscon's office and asked Mayor Miscon's secretary to see him and the mayor was like you know what? We don't have an appointment, but go ahead and let him in, even though I've got this press conference here in a little bit Now. Some words were exchanged and it got heated. So Mayor Muscoen was like, hey, let's go over to this little private area that I have and let's have a drink. Because those were the days where they were. They had a bar cart in their office. Man Like they was chain smoking and drinking at like 9 am, whiskey on the rocks or neats whatever. Um, he was like let's have a drink to ease this tension. But this does not help ease any tension and dan pulled out his gun and fired two shots into george muscon, who fell to the ground, and then dan fired two more rounds into his head.
Speaker 1:So, like the whole thing, everything I was thinking there was a hidden agenda as far as somebody pushing him into doing such a horrific thing the whole time, and I felt like it was building up to something and I was completely wrong.
Speaker 2:So Dan just lost his shit from the pressure, from everything. He was working 60 hours a week at a potato stand trying to support his family along with doing this job that he has now resigned from on his own.
Speaker 1:Nobody told him to.
Speaker 2:Nobody pushed him to, nobody asked him to, he just did it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, from my perspective, I was just trying to gather. Why is there motivation toward him doing something like that?
Speaker 2:So now, when he says, ok, I want my job back. Mayor Muscold, like was going to help him out with that, even though they were opposed in a lot of their ideas. But Mayor Muscold was a really good mayor and a really good person, it seems like, and was like let me figure out what we can do. The city attorney is the one that made that official decision. It had nothing, even though the board was like we don't really want him back because we're trying to make change and he just kind of wants to hang out right here. But it still had nothing to do with the board.
Speaker 1:I got you it was the city. It took me a while because it was just like I was off kilter a little bit, trying to figure out what's pushing him toward being pushed.
Speaker 2:So the city attorney made the official decision. Yeah, but that didn't matter to Dan White. Dan White is now pissed at Mayor Muscone.
Speaker 3:Right so he has.
Speaker 2:Now I felt like this murder just got overlooked.
Speaker 1:He snapped oh my God.
Speaker 2:So Dan pulled out his .38 revolver and shot George Moscone a total of five times. What the fuck? Four times Wow.
Speaker 1:So he's done this in City Hall. Right there, right there in City Hall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so now he heads out of Mayor Moscone's office and went to find Harvey Milk, because now he thinks also that Harvey is behind him, not being able to get his job back. It had nothing to do with any of them.
Speaker 1:No, it had nothing to do with him. It was a city attorney. It had nothing to do with him, yeah.
Speaker 2:So he got to Harvey's office and saw that he was in and asked if they could talk in private, as Harvey's aide was present. And Dan and Harvey head down to Dan's former office. Dan shut the door behind him and Harvey's last words were oh no. And Dan shot him three times in the body Fuck, lindsay. And then shot him two more times in the back of the head what the fuck for.
Speaker 1:I'm going to cry.
Speaker 2:He was fucking confused too, so then Dan proceeded to find his own aide, asked for her car keys and took off. Dan then called his wife and asked her to meet him at a cathedral, because you know, they're conservative, they're religious. Praise the Lord.
Speaker 1:Right, god will make it better.
Speaker 2:And then both walked into a police station where Dan turned himself in to a police officer that he did know personally and trusted. Dan said you know what? I just snapped after all the pressure that I've been under the financial issues and then being rejected from trying to get my seat back, and I did know that Harvey and the other board members had been to blame for that because they didn't agree with my conservative views and ideas. That's what he tells.
Speaker 1:He gave up his seat. He gave up his seat, he gave up. He gave it up.
Speaker 2:And Dan was pissed that the mayor didn't tell him his replacement personally and he had heard about it from a reporter the night before. So honestly I mean honestly the media, a reporter, caused a lot of this. They called dan the night before, on sunday night before that monday morning, before he loaded his 38 revolver and went down the city hall and shot mayor muscone and harvey mill. So I'm allowed to say fucking hidden agenda.
Speaker 1:Somebody was pushing him into that. There's something that made his mind think that I need to turn this over and go attack all this shit, because I'm not getting what I want.
Speaker 2:Well, the reporter just called and said hey, so-and-so is fixing to replace you. I forgot the exact name it was another Dan too. I forgot that it was the last name, but the reporter was like hey, so we have word that so-and-so is going to replace you tomorrow. Can you give me a story about how you feel? Dan just hung up on him and snapped.
Speaker 1:And the pressure was on. Yeah, that was the agenda. I'm not trying to come in as overthinking the political side of all this but I feel like there was pressure behind it.
Speaker 2:Personally, when I think of hiddenenda, I think of a conspiracy, a pre plan or a pre-plan, right, right.
Speaker 1:So all that was going on, he was ready to step out. Somebody was pressuring him to get back in, and if he wasn't back in he would never be socially accepted.
Speaker 2:Maybe, Right. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, does that make sense?
Speaker 1:right. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, does that make sense? I feel like that, I just feel, I feel like that.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm wrong. Well, there's a. There is a movie I was going to plug it at the end but there is a movie about this where harvey milk is. Our sean penn plays harvey milk and maybe we can look more into that. This I just did off of articles that I read online right about harvey milk and I listened to a book Hold on one second. It's called who is Harvey milk.
Speaker 1:It was an audio book that I found on Spotify. But it kills somebody over some conspiracy, that somebody is pushing you back into something and the pressure there was some pressure behind that, because otherwise he would have just stepped away Well, I just think that there was pressure in Dan's life all around all around yeah.
Speaker 2:Financially, politically, just stepped away.
Speaker 1:Well, I just think that there was pressure in dan's life all around, all around, yeah, financially, politically, everything. So, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean that's why I kept saying that he's also, I mean, he's also a vet yeah, from vietnam through some stuff he's also a former police officer and firefighter, so there's ptsd, I'm sure there's stuff going on, yeah, but I don't yeah we're not trying to justify any no, I'm not just. There's no fucking justifying any of that because he was, I think.
Speaker 1:I think that was his breaking point, when he wanted to step away from politics. He said he wanted to step away. He's not getting paid enough. I want want to step away.
Speaker 2:Well, he said that he wasn't getting paid enough to not focus more. I'm sorry, let me get this, let me word this right he wasn't getting paid enough to focus solely on his district, right. He still had to have a very long hour job on the side, which was the potato stand, which should have been more comfortable.
Speaker 1:Like I can step away from this potato stand job to support my home and family and everything.
Speaker 2:Well, what gets me is, after he decides to resign, then the family's like hey, we'll help you run this shit. Why didn't they say that before he resigned?
Speaker 1:Exactly, and then somebody started plugging that into his brain that he needs to do better and he needs to do this and stick with it I mean because honestly, I mean san francisco is huge, I mean that was probably a very well there's probably five or six people doing that, saying you know different districts you know more than that in san francisco somebody was yeah, he was district eight yeah, so, yeah, so those people plugging that back into him so it became a different, you know, mental thing that would that snapped over somebody that had ptsd and we lost a or san francisco, not we.
Speaker 2:Uh, we weren't alive but, san francisco lost a very liberal, forward-thinking mayor and a great gay activist in that community.
Speaker 1:And it seemed like he was doing great stuff. Bullshit yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, he wasn't just fighting for gay rights? Which was important in itself. He was also doing a lot of other great things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for kids and school. It was very amazing in his community. It would have been a great transition into giving a lot of kids a lot of cool things. I mean it set that city back for a while and I'm going to talk more about that.
Speaker 2:So, Dan was charged with two counts of murder use of firearms and being armed with a deadly weapon, and charged with interfering with official duties of the mayor and the supervisor. Prosecution was, of course, seeking the death penalty, but Dan's trial began in May of 1979. And the question was why Dan had committed the crime. They knew that he did it. Me too, I want to know why. They want to know why he did it. Me too, I want to know why, they want to know why.
Speaker 2:So prosecution said that these were premeditated murders with clear intentions, which it seems like that to me as well. Defense said that Dan was acting under diminished capacity and he was not in control of his actions and he had been suffering from a lot of undiagnosed mental illness, which I can get on board with. That a little bit too Right, being in the, you know, being a veteran from a very horrific war, being, you know, in the police force, being a firefighter, that probably does take a toll on somebody, it wouldn't take much but a little bit of push to send him over the fucking edge.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:And then he had it pre-planned, like you just said. So the whole hidden agenda thing could have been a thing to me where it's like somebody instilled something on him and he locked it in and had to fulfill that mission.
Speaker 2:He had to do that right and there could be so they said that a lot of his issues stemmed from pressure, change in diet and lack of sleep. They used what would be called the twinkie defense, as he had been consuming too much junk food in the time leading up to the murders because he had been healthy before. And this can happen too. Uh, when you are eating clean and you know doing good and being fit and then all of a sudden you just change your diet and crash out. You're eating junk food after junk food. It fucks with your head as well. You start develop. I I did that a long time ago and I actually developed blood sugar issues from that which can turn into.
Speaker 2:I did a year-long crash-ass diet where I was restricting myself from so many foods.
Speaker 1:Add pressure and PTSD, and then a whole political job on top of it and somebody pushing you Boom.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right, that's what I feel like.
Speaker 2:So, like I said, he had been eating healthy before but due to the pressure he was under, he let his healthy habits go and he was consuming more unhealthy options like um. His aide even testified and said that he was at a press conference where everything actually went very well and he told her to go buy him six donuts and he like stuffed all them donuts in his face and then just like went into a depression after that. So maybe he had some diabetes shit going on. And you just presented me with something that happened in our hometown which actually stemmed from like murders literally next door in our neighborhood over some blood sugar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that literally happened within a mile. Not even, not even a mile.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're probably right, like four blocks, four blocks away from us.
Speaker 1:Wow, we need to talk about that later on. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:So I mean there's science behind it. But prosecution wasn't having that shit and insisted that this was premeditated first-degree murder. So the jury deliberated for a total of 36 hours over the next six days and dan white was found not guilty on first degree or second degree murder but was charged with two counts of manslaughter manslaughter that's that's accidental death right I feel like that was premeditated Right. Well, yeah, we're going to get there. So Dan's supporters were thrilled, but Harvey's supporters were pissed, pissed.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And a group of 3,000 started marching towards City Hall and tore that shit up. Which good on you, because that's unfair as fuck.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Because guess what? He got a measly seven years and eight months now for two motherfucking murders 50 years where he literally overkilled both of them.
Speaker 1:He overkilled both of them had everything ready to bring to that conversation. Right right, right there we're gonna have have some drinks and talk about something. He has it all ready right there to pull out and fuck them up completely.
Speaker 2:And he walked after five years. How is that not premeditated? How is that? Not premeditated Hold on. He walked after five years.
Speaker 1:Lindsay.
Speaker 2:And got one year probation to follow. But on October 22nd 1985, dan White was found dead in his garage. He had taken his own life because of I think personally everything that he did ate away at his soul. It will, it'll always get you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he left several notes for his family and everybody, but he never apologized or showed any any remorse for the assassinations. 10 years later, it was revealed that dan had actually intended on killing both mayor muscone and harvey milk and actually planned on killing two other supervisors named willie brown and carol silver, because he thought that they had also been a part of him not being reappointed to his position Pre-fucking meditated, ready to go.
Speaker 1:I'm going to bring this shit to the table and blow your fucking head off Two people. How is not premeditated and how is he had four people on his list?
Speaker 2:He had four people on his list but he didn't go through with the other two, killed two, he, he had four people on his list.
Speaker 1:He had four people on his list, but he didn't go through with the other two murders, killed two. He had it already. Fucking bam bam.
Speaker 2:And was prepared and he overkilled Muscone and Harvey.
Speaker 1:It wasn't a bam bam.
Speaker 2:It was a bam ba-da-bam ba-da-bam ba-da-bam, ba-bam, bam, bam. He didn't go through hey Lindsay.
Speaker 1:justice was not served to begin with, but at least Dan White is dead.
Speaker 2:Harvey Milk's accomplishments have never been forgotten and his story inspired the film Milk, which I mentioned earlier in the episode starring Sean Penn, which came out in 2008. And in 2009, the Harvey Milk Foundation was established by his nephew, stuart Milk, and his campaign manager in Cronenberg. Harvey Milk Day is May 22nd because that's his birthday, okay, and it's celebrated in many communities year after year, right? So the whole thing. Like I said, he was a pioneer. He was Full on, full on.
Speaker 1:I mean, like I said, he was a pioneer.
Speaker 2:He was Full on, full on, I mean like Making cool ass things. I looked up some interviews and I mean he just he has this, it's the speech of hope and it's so good, yeah, so good. I could not find a clip of her or I would love to play it, but you guys look that up. Look up Harvey Milk's speech of hope. We, but you guys look that up. Look up Harvey.
Speaker 1:Milk's Speech of Hope. We both support people thinking outside the box and just having their own?
Speaker 2:Oh, 100%, because how are you ever going to progress?
Speaker 1:Who gives a fuck about sexuality? When you have great ideas, who gives a fuck about it? Right, and I was just trying to I'm standing on all that because Does somebody else's sexuality bother you. If you don't agree that way, why does it? It really didn't, but it seemed like somebody talking about you. I'm talking about people in general general yeah.
Speaker 2:Why does somebody else's sexual orientation bother you so much, to the point where you have to fight that their sexuality should be illegal? Right, I mean, what the fuck? Right, If they're pushing that they're right to love another person. They're trying to make you illegal, that's horrible. Right If they're trying to make you think a certain way because they want you to do that.
Speaker 1:That's dystopian, like don't do it, don't, yeah. But if they have great ideas, hey, support them let them be people.
Speaker 2:What was that I mean? Mayor muscone supported the fuck out of harvey milk he was a straight man, right, but he loved harvey milk. They were, they were.
Speaker 1:But the whole story really didn't have anything to do with sexuality or anything. It was just like I felt like he was pushed into something that he couldn't control and he snapped the fuck out, and it was just like that was the victim.
Speaker 2:Well, at the same time he went after you know he did later on to confess that he went after Harvey and the other two what was their names? Willie, willie Brown and Carol Silver, because they were in support of LGBTQ views and they didn't really want him back on the board. Because he wasn't for their views.
Speaker 1:Right, conservative versus progressive. They didn't, they didn't, they didn't.
Speaker 2:But that was the whole thing was they didn't vote him out, they didn't force him Right. He did that to himself.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why I feel like it wasn't really a battle between the one or the other. He killed these people because of something that he did himself.
Speaker 1:Right, that's what. Just that's what this is. They were a political target because of their sexuality, right yeah. That's what makes this story crazy and insane? Because he literally went after people that didn't do anything to him. Yeah, and as long as me and Lindsey's been together, because we even go to drag shows together oh my God, it's our favorite thing to fucking do.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If we're going out like we don't do it very much anymore.
Speaker 1:I don't give a fuck dude. We're going to a fucking drag bar. I would pay a dude that's dressed up like a woman to dance for my wife yes, and I got that for my party and I will. I don't give a fuck because I don't feel that way and she don't feel that way, and we're just having fun because we support people that are that way, because they can be that way, we don't give a fuck exactly yeah, and that's just what it is and I will fight for their.
Speaker 2:I will fight right along. They're allowed to have their. They're allowed to have their rights. They're allowed to do their thing.
Speaker 1:They're allowed to have their spot and they don't push shit on us.
Speaker 2:One of my very best friends is part of the LGBTQ community and I love her and I love her wife.
Speaker 1:We have several.
Speaker 2:And I love their dogs. Those are my niece and nephews.
Speaker 1:I think honestly, lindsay, we can cover all the letters together. You know, between our friends, and we don't give a damn dude. Let them be them. Exactly that's what we do, and they're still our fucking friends.
Speaker 2:Well, at the same time, we do give a damn. We give a damn about them, yeah, and we love them and we'll fight for their rights.
Speaker 1:We don't give a damn about not supporting them. Right, we're, I want to support them. If you understand where I'm going. I'm just like Lindsay, I'm going to support them, ollie and all the people that I have Amazing, they're not going to push their stuff on us. They're going to be cool with us and they're going to be them and we're going to support them because them are them and they are they and we love them for them.
Speaker 2:You know what you are correct. Does that make sense? We do have loved ones in our life that literally cover every letter.
Speaker 1:Every letter, every letter. And we love them so much I will invite them over and I will love them, because I literally love them. Yes, and it's all about them being them.
Speaker 2:And we support who they are.
Speaker 1:Or they being they.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Or any of them being any of them.
Speaker 2:They being whatever they want to be whatever. And that's what it's all about. That's what it's all about, and so happy pride month and happy.
Speaker 1:Just support people, letting them be people.
Speaker 2:And thank you, harvey milk, for everything that you did for the gay community, because it's. I mean, like I said, I covered a very small, uh handful, yeah, small. I covered a very small amount of the things that he accomplished. Like I said, I encourage you to find everything that you can on this man, who was Harvey Milk was the book that I read, the OG, the OG.
Speaker 1:Yes, he is the OG, politically the OG.
Speaker 2:Politically the OG and, like I said, I hate politics so much. That shit went on for thousands and thousands of years and churches and all kind of crazy shit. This story here just really, when I heard about it for the first time, probably about five years ago, and it just really stuck in my heart and Harvey Milk has been on my mind ever since- Okay. And I really wanted to share that.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you, Lindsay.
Speaker 2:It was just like I'm not trying to be like pushing back toward your story or anything. No, you were just trying to figure out what was going on.
Speaker 1:I was trying to figure it out and I was trying to grab a pocket and I was trying to explain to you.
Speaker 2:We've both been day drinking.
Speaker 1:You guys, oh God, yeah, we had a great time at the river.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:This podcast is called Drink About.
Speaker 2:Something yes go ahead.
Speaker 1:There it is. I was going to go this way and we're going to drink the whole time while we're doing this, but I'm going to give one of these because, but you guys, I just want to say at the end of this, I still prefer this to bay.
Speaker 2:So you've heard over what is this.
Speaker 1:This is happy dad, happy dad. I feel like this should be more toward dads. Why is it? But it's father's day tomorrow, but you got happy dad for you for father's Day, but you didn't get happy dad for me for Father's Day.
Speaker 2:I got a whole case of them you're more than welcome to, because I don't really like them. I kind of like it.
Speaker 1:But I'm loving this caramel apple over here. But you did a great job on your story.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:And I really just wanted to say thank you, lindsay, and we all support everybody for being who the fuck they are.
Speaker 2:Be who you want to be, love who you want to love, as long as it is consensual and legal.
Speaker 1:Yep, yes, yep, do your thing. That's what's up, exactly. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. That was like a thing that you could put in your agenda for that. That didn't really tie into it, but it kind of did. It was just like I was trying to figure out whatever the fuck really was going on, and I didn't know so, but you did great, lindsay, this is kind of twisted me a little bit. Fucking murder over this shit and dude got a fucking bullshit ass fucking cigarette.
Speaker 2:I mean they were political figures, so it's an assassination. So yeah, and you know, what's crazy is, harvey Milk knew that he was going to be assassinated.
Speaker 1:He knew it. He had it all for himself, but he had no, huh. He had, I mean Dan White. After the end of it he was just like I can't take this, I'm done Because the I'm done because the pressure, the same pressure that brought him into that shit, got his self. I guarantee it, darren, fucking to it. I'm over here, sliding to the side, over here.
Speaker 2:My plant cannot support you, sir. Oh well, I just I was thinking about it does not have arms to reach out.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about hanging out at the plant a little bit. I couldn't laugh into it. I was trying to make some fucking jokes but I couldn't fucking do it. I was trying to wrap into this because it was serious and and whatever the fuck we did the river is really hard for me, it's very serious. Yeah, political shit is hard for me to cover. Let it be serious. Just let's play fucking music and be everybody.
Speaker 2:What band are we plugging today? I?
Speaker 1:got some cool ass fucking music for you to check out, lindsay from. I think they're from fucking baltimore, dude. Oh no, they're not from baltimore, they're from grand rapids, michigan. You got that completely wrong. I was way off. I would. I think we're going to baltimore. I think we're going to. No, we're going up to maryland, we're going up to everywhere. We're going all the way up to maine. So y'all stay in tune for that.
Speaker 2:That's happening if you want a great musical about baltimore?
Speaker 1:fucking hairspray fuck yeah, hairspray. Why was I thinking baltimore right now? I?
Speaker 2:actually love. I mean that I know I'm a millennial and I'm probably supposed to like the ricky lake one better, but I don't. I like the zach efron and nikki blansky one better, I watch that shit.
Speaker 1:We were talking about nostalgic fucking. I have watched that every other month for 15 years like I love hairspray oh yeah, we love music, queen latifah's in it james martin's in it, jennifer pfeiffer's in it, that's just something jennifer michelle Pfeiffer's in it.
Speaker 2:The Walken, the Christopher motherfucking Walken, is it?
Speaker 1:Yes, we have me and you have. We have really came together on musicals.
Speaker 3:Lindsay.
Speaker 2:I love them so much Like musicals. I wish my life was a motherfucking musical. I would be singing and dancing everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Give me a script. I got this.
Speaker 1:So this band is from Grand Rapids. I don't know why I was thinking of Baltimore, but I mean we're going up. We're going up to.
Speaker 2:Maine, you did tell me that you found one from Baltimore. I did so. Maybe that's a little later date.
Speaker 1:I did, I did.
Speaker 3:I'm finding so much.
Speaker 2:So, I put them in my, my super heavy solid, right, hook, right and we're just fucking dude.
Speaker 1:They were so cool and I know I played with them. I know we've played with them at a show or two maybe, but anyhow, if we haven't, they were one of the bands that played under the bridge in jacksonville at this badass show and I think they played with us at 1904 in jacksonville. But really cool. It did sound familiar when you told me. But you you guys.
Speaker 2:We've been to so many shows I've played so many shows we should have started flyer after flyer.
Speaker 1:I looked at all my flyers and I couldn't see them on it, but I think we've played together.
Speaker 2:I have a whole box of all of the shit that. I need to dig down and dig down. I need to get down and go through it and organize it, cause we need to like. I mean, we've accomplished so much musically, it's insane, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And I, if you guys are music lovers, I encourage you to go to every concert, every festival, every local show, music, every local, that's where it's at I don't give a fuck if there's 20 people there or less. Have some drinks and enjoy a fucking t-shirt because you know what, guess what they could be today what really put.
Speaker 2:I mean, this will put it into perspective for you um, one of our friends that goes to a lot of local shows um and does some photography for them. He expressed that he had saw who is now the new lead singer for Lincoln Park at a local show in Tallahassee not five years ago, and it was maybe a crowd of 30.
Speaker 1:And she was over there just rocking the fuck out.
Speaker 2:She was rocking the fuck out with the band that she was in then, and now she's literally the lead singer of Lincoln Park.
Speaker 1:Support.
Speaker 2:Who just had over 45,000 people in attendance at Rockville.
Speaker 1:And yeah so. I mean well for that show for that particular show, for that particular one.
Speaker 2:It was like over 220 through the weekend. Yeah 220,000 people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're on that, on the top of the fucking list. Come on y'all. Support bands. That's a headliner, support them.
Speaker 2:Local bands and all Start. You never know when you're going to see that local band.
Speaker 1:Start with going to your closed local show.
Speaker 3:And it's fun because we've done this.
Speaker 2:We have watched bands grow from little babies to very small venues to now. We'll probably never get them in that small capacity again but we got it when we got it and it was the most memorable thing in our life.
Speaker 1:We watched Beartooth in his infancy. We watched Beartooth in their infancy.
Speaker 2:We watched Ginger in their infancy yeah, we watched.
Speaker 1:Slaughter to Prevail in their infancy. Beartooth wore my band shirt.
Speaker 2:We saw Ginger wore your band shirt.
Speaker 1:Ginger did, we saw.
Speaker 2:Spirit Box in their infancy my band shirt we saw. Yeah, we saw. And uh, ginger, wear your band shirt, ginger. Um, we saw spirit box in their infancy. Yeah, I mean just it's, it's a great thing to behold. I mean honestly, just to watch a band.
Speaker 1:Just grow up, and because me and jesse get so emotional, we're like these are our babies that we watch grow up when you go to festivals and now they have hieroglyphics and you support them and that was called the, the whole pyro techniques. What did I? And now they have pyroglyphics.
Speaker 2:And you support them and all. What is it called the whole pyro, pyrotechnics, pyrotechnics. What did I say? Pyroglyphics, pyroglyphics. I've had too many seltzers today.
Speaker 1:Was it called again the dad?
Speaker 2:I haven't had too many happy dads. I started on this today.
Speaker 1:And now over the place right now, but at the same time play this, watching fucking babies grow up. Yeah, support bands, though do it.
Speaker 2:This is reckless rhythms, reckless rhythms, okay that's the name of the bands reckless rhythms okay, hold on, I'm gonna find them on instagram, okay I want you to find them.
Speaker 1:I want everybody to support them and that was don taylor's name.
Speaker 2:Sorry you guys. I love him, so follow him on tiktok britney from reckless rhythms. I talked to her and me from reckless she was just like play our stuff, check us out.
Speaker 1:They're from fucking grand rapids, michigan, and I was thinking fucking, was it baltimore? Why was I thinking about? That's a whole different state. Well, I've been planning out our trip all the way up to maine and back, which we're going to be talking about, lizzie Borden pretty soon. Mm-hmm, and follow us, reckless. What Rhythms Right? Am I right? Is it right here? There it is yes, okay, so follow them. Follow us DrinkAboutSomethingsite.
Speaker 2:We want everything, yes it is, it is.
Speaker 1:Follow and support for the bands. We want everything in support, of course, for us, but I mean, it's more about the bands for me, and this song is called troubled hearts, so I want you guys to check this shit out. It's going to be fucking fire, so check this stuff out, we'll be right back.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Thank you, I've got you and you've got me, and there's no place that I'd rather be. We've all been lost before and find ourselves stuck searching for Something that is worth fighting for. Truth yourself. You've got to believe we can make it through our sin. We can make it through our sin. We can make it through our sin. Thank you, we'll be right back. Something that is worth fighting for. Trust yourself. You gotta believe we can make it through our sin. We can make it through our sin. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. We've all been lost before and find ourselves just stretching apart Something that is worth fighting for. Trust, punk, punk so much fun.
Speaker 1:Fucking much fucking fire. Yes, I loved it so much. It's cool man. Yeah, that's exactly lindsey's over there bobbing her head the whole time and I was just like dude, that is just phenomenal.
Speaker 2:You guys did a great job, love it, love the good cool, just smooth punk.
Speaker 1:Smooth oh, I don't know Smooth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is smooth, punk Smooth punk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, a little skanking. A heart is not chaotic. Can I do a little skanking with that? Yeah, Skanking. So if you want some skanking ass, fucking punk where you can get out there and juke with it and do your thing, check these guys out and like them.
Speaker 2:Follow them, subscribe to them. Like us, follow us, subscribe to us. We love you. We know you're listening do all the things, share the things share the things.
Speaker 1:Share the things. So Reckless Rhythms and this song was called Trouble Hearts, and Lindsay has a little something that she wants to follow up on that we've been talking about for the last few pods.
Speaker 2:So, yes, jesse, did the homework for me, and so if you want to sign, what is it for? West Memphis 3? Justice, go to theinnocenceprojectorg. Forward slash petitions, forward slash justice for the West Memphis 3. And we will plug all of that in our show notes. Yes, because we have got to fit, we got to get, we got to get these boys A little bit of justice, a little bit of something justice here, Well for the kids itself, for the kids who killed them?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Clear the names of the men that did not because okay, so this was an example. Um. Of the men that did not because okay, so this was an example. Um, damien can't go out of the country because he is a convicted felon. Convicted felon, yeah, jason, and jesse can't go out of the country because they are wrongfully.
Speaker 1:Wrongfully, they accepted it to get the fuck out of the system and it was just like there is somebody really out there and it's going to happen.
Speaker 2:That horrifically killed three little boys Sign the fucking petition.
Speaker 1:Let them do the DNA test, let them do their fucking job. Sign it, make it really happen. You know what I used to fight for? Lindsay Leonard Peltier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's another good cause right there.
Speaker 1:He is on house arrest now.
Speaker 2:Did he get out of prison?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's on house arrest yeah our past president.
Speaker 1:let him just be on house arrest forever and he's out. So it was like dude Leonard should not be because he was part of the AIM, the whole movement and everything, and it was just like but his bullet didn't match. So why is he still in house arrest? But at least he's out of prison now, you know. But like everything just fucking changes and all that, and we're trying to make that change with our stories.
Speaker 2:But how old is Leonard?
Speaker 1:Oh God he's got to be like in his late 70s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's older. Let this man just be free, just let him fucking be free yeah. He didn't hurt anybody.
Speaker 1:I mean, I fought for him for years and years and years, before you even knew me Right. But follow Lindsay's stuff, follow our stuff, follow all the's stuff, follow our stuff, follow all the band's stuff. Just drink about something. You got sight.
Speaker 2:Follow our little petition Fuck, I can't talk.
Speaker 1:Petition.
Speaker 2:Petition yes.
Speaker 1:It's out there. I put it on fucking the last pod. I put it on this one. This was fucking crazy and I was just on team pre-motivation. There's something pushing toward him snapping the fuck out and he was already shot out from previous wars and drama and all that craziness and it can come into play. It can come into play and it's horrific. It really is.
Speaker 2:It is, it's not fair.
Speaker 1:No, it's not fair. And for people to push you into something. I feel like he was pushing into it, I feel like he was really pushing into it. But we will see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 2:We never even said happy Friday, but happy Friday happy Friday and we're gonna have another LGBTQ story for you next week you got another one lined up.
Speaker 1:You kinda fucked me up a little bit with me trying to analyze. I was probably overanalyzing. Does that make sense? Whatever Overanalyzing, I don't know, but I was just my thoughts.
Speaker 2:Jesse, go home to your trunk.
Speaker 1:Should I, should I go home? I won't leave you guys with it. Fuck whatever, whatever going to leave you guys with it, fuck whatever. Whatever else, we'll see you guys next Friday. Okay, we love you so much. We love you so much. Keep listening, keep fucking listening. I am fucking drunk. I am on fucking caramel apple.
Speaker 2:Caramel, caramel.
Speaker 1:Caramel apple Lindsay. That's where we started Caramel, Caramel Apple Lindsay apple lindsey.
Speaker 2:That's where we started. Caramel apple lindsey. We love you. We'll see you guys next friday.
