Drink about something
True crime and some fun banter adventures with music you don't want to miss!
Lindsey finds stories that are amazingly shocking enough that you just may need a drink after or during the tales of past crime trauma!
Drink about something
EPISODE 36: Matthew Shepard: A Hate Crime That Changed America
The brutal murder of Matthew Shepard in October 1998 shocked the nation and became a defining moment in the fight for LGBTQ+ rights and hate crime legislation. What makes this story particularly heartbreaking is the stark contrast between Matthew's gentle spirit and the savage hatred he encountered.
Have you thought about how a single life – and death – can change a nation's conversation about acceptance and equality? Listen to this emotional episode to understand why Matthew's story continues to resonate and inspire change more than two decades later.
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Hey, Jesse.
Speaker 2:I just want to say cheers, lindsay, cheers. We had a fabulous day.
Speaker 1:We have, yeah, went to the beach. We did.
Speaker 2:It was phenomenal. Yes, Do, do, do, do do.
Speaker 1:Phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Do, do, do, do, and I'm drinking before you ask me.
Speaker 1:What are you drinking?
Speaker 2:I'm ahead of you a little bit there. It's a tropical Mai Tai by Clawtails.
Speaker 1:By White Claw. It's White Claw Clawtails. It's a White Claw Clawtail. Mai Tai, it's good Tropical Mai Tai. Tropical yes.
Speaker 2:And it makes me feel like I'm on vacation and I don't have to make shit and it's good.
Speaker 1:And I'm having a raspberry Vista Bay, raspberry, raspberry.
Speaker 2:So there should be like a whole ass hat that you can wear while you're drinking.
Speaker 1:that Like a raspberry beret, raspberry beret. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, do it, yeah, do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so what are we drinking about? Lindsay? I'm just, I'm here, roll that intro. I'm here, you're here and we're here First of all I want to say okay.
Speaker 1:so last week's episode was LGBTQ Happy Pride and we're going to continue with that for the rest of this month.
Speaker 2:And I just want to say Happy Friday. Happy Friday, we rolling into this already. Oh, it's still in my head all the time. This little jam right here, oh really I love it.
Speaker 1:It's really cool, man. You know what's in my head this week? Tell me it's a tiktok soundbite, but it's. It's that. What the hell, what the helly, what the helly, what the hellyante. That's just, it's in my head.
Speaker 2:I haven't heard it.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to look it up real quick. Let's see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what the hellyante on Talk Tickin'? I haven't heard it. So like people are like what the hell? She's checking it out. I want to know.
Speaker 1:I want to know right now it's a choir what the hell, what the hell, what the hell, beyonce, what the hell y'all.
Speaker 2:What the hell, mary? So that's the kind of algorithms I want to be on. I want those on my FYP, hell yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's been in my head all week. Hell yeah, so that's been in my head all week.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, that's cool. Hell yeah, what the hell Yontae?
Speaker 1:What the hell Yontae made you feel old this week.
Speaker 2:Music.
Speaker 1:Okay, why music?
Speaker 2:Well, when we listen to music, people are like oh, that's old music and it's like you keep sending me things.
Speaker 1:and then I see the dude walking around.
Speaker 2:He keep sending me things. And then I see the dude walking around, like he's walking around, he's going to different people and he's like selling cars or something and he's like, hey, you know what did ace of base?
Speaker 1:oh, I introduced you to that, yeah he's like, he was like.
Speaker 2:So what did ace of base see?
Speaker 1:yeah, and only like five of them. But even the old guys, some of them can't get it. But you know who always gets it my 40 year oldsyear-old and little Kellum. He's the younger guy, he knows what's up.
Speaker 2:So now we're following the same dude, I love that it's Pollywood yes. So cool.
Speaker 1:So that's a car dealership in Canada.
Speaker 2:He surprises people and they're like uh.
Speaker 1:The one chick with the glasses she's like uh.
Speaker 2:Every time Stolen shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, the whole time. He's like hollywood. So he goes around the car dealership that he works at and he asks everybody, or like he'll sing a lyric and see if they can sing it back or guess the song. And there's, this one guy will on there. I don't think he's listened to music ever in his life, like never had nothing never, got it. So now he has. So now he has put um like their score, like how many they've gotten oh yeah, well, I see the.
Speaker 2:I see the age on there.
Speaker 1:Will has like.
Speaker 2:I'm like if anybody's around like 35 to 45, they're pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they get it. Yeah, they get it Like Derek and Kelly, like I know them by heart.
Speaker 2:now, even the new shit, like he's talking about new songs and stuff. They still got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we still got it going on and then I'm singing the whole song. I'm like, come to me, polly, I'll do the whole song, I'll dance everything.
Speaker 2:Well, he walked up the other day. He's like do.
Speaker 1:Yes, do.
Speaker 2:And he stopped and it was just like everybody's like what. And then, like a couple of dudes, and then Mitch.
Speaker 1:I think it was at Mitch he was like do yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like dude, this guy's cool. I'm going to start following your shit more.
Speaker 1:I swear to God, I'm just going to share everything that I share to you. Follow it. I will, I will and your algorithm will be in rhythm.
Speaker 2:I hate my algorithm.
Speaker 1:But so, if you are new here, what we do is we have a couple of drinks and I share a true crime story with Jesse that for the most part, or for most of them, he doesn't really know anything about it.
Speaker 2:I have a feeling like I need to get my seatbelt for this one.
Speaker 1:You do. I brought the tissue box.
Speaker 2:You brought tissues for this one, Lindsay Fuck you. Lindsay.
Speaker 1:But this happened when you and I were in high school, and it has haunted me ever since.
Speaker 2:So I need a string of pearls. I can clutch the whole time on this one.
Speaker 1:Not no, because a lot of the shit. You're going to be like, yeah, that's how it was because of, but let me get to the story, ok. Yeah, that's how it was because of, but let me get to the story, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, what I do is I tell jesse a story, a true crime story, um that I've known about for a long time done research on and at the end of the episode he plugs a band that he has sought out, got permission to play their music on our pod and we try to to stick to up-and-coming artists, artists that are underrated or things like that.
Speaker 2:So two of our bands, three of our bands. One is Global Sensation right now. Uh-huh, aurora Wave, aurora Wave. Ride that wave, and Actus Reyes is doing some really cool stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:And Yosemite and Black is going to be doing some really cool stuff. They're playing like a pool party.
Speaker 1:Barbecue.
Speaker 2:It's like a barbecue with a pool. There's like, yeah, in Atlanta, so they're doing some cool stuff. So some of the bands we're finding they're amazing and any of the previous bands hit us back up if you hear this and tell me what you got going on. We follow you. Every band that we ever feature on here we follow them and we want to share. If you have anything really cool going on and we actually did something really cool this week I sent a package to somebody that we talked about.
Speaker 1:Yes, jenny Haynes, wasn't that?
Speaker 2:awesome. Yes, I can't wait, wasn't that?
Speaker 1:awesome. Yes, I can't wait for her to get teddy bear with our little logo on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we sent her like a little cup and a teddy bear thing for just appreciation of her strength and everything that she had been through and for us to have the opportunity to share her story, so that was really cool. So if you haven't heard the Jenny Haynes, check that episode out as well. That was really cool. So if you haven't heard the Jenny Haynes, check that episode out as well, and you know.
Speaker 2:support these people if they have other things, little side projects Like Dawn Designs by Jennifer Turpin, Dawn Designs by Turpin and just check out their stuff, follow them and support them and know that you've listened to their story and you're there for support and that's the great thing. You know, the world has really done some horrific things to them and they just want to exist and thrive in it. So that's where we're at.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, that was really cool.
Speaker 2:She's like, yeah, she gave me her address. I'm like, holy shit, this is the first package I've ever sent to Australia. Cool Damn.
Speaker 1:That was awesome man. It was very awesome, very awesome. Yeah, be some time before we get to that side of the world, but one day I'm kind of proud of that.
Speaker 2:Lindsay, I'm kind of proud of you telling me stories and then me actually talking to the physical person. Yes, and they'd be like you send me something about your podcast. That's really cool.
Speaker 1:Because, unfortunately, not Everybody I talk about is a survivor, but I do like survival tales as well. Try to mix those in. And then there's always like, even with the Gabby Petito story, like her family started the foundation and that's where there's going to be one that we'll talk about today. So are you ready for me to get started?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm buckling my seatbelt. Here we go, shit.
Speaker 1:All right, today we're going to be talking about a young man named matthew shepherd. So matthew wayne shepherd was born on december 1st 1976 in casper, wyoming, to judy and dennis shepherd, and he had a little brother named logan, who was born in 1981, the year of your birth. Wow, and they were very close. Matth, matthew and Logan were like two peas in a pod.
Speaker 2:They were like peas and carrots.
Speaker 1:Yes, Judy attended an Episcopalian church and she kind of she let her boys decide if they wanted to join her or not, which I thought was very cool.
Speaker 2:Left it open. That's good.
Speaker 1:And Matthew would go with her a lot, but Logan would usually choose to stay home with Dennis and they watch ball games, you know, kind of the dude thing. But at the same time now looking back I'm like I should just stay at home, yeah, but but I mean, sometimes I mean, you know, I mean and things like that.
Speaker 2:I don't know anything about Episcopalians.
Speaker 1:No, I don't either. I don't know. I grew up Pentecostal. Non-denominational type.
Speaker 2:Southern Baptist. Free Will Baptist over here.
Speaker 1:So Judy would say that Dennis and Logan would join them sometimes, but mostly it was just her and Matthew. They would come for holiday services and things like that and Matthew was super friendly and got along with his classmates and he was. But he was like he was really small so he would get teased quite a bit but it didn't really like people still loved him, like he was very well liked kid. Judy says that Matt was born prematurely. He was due on Christmas but he came on the first. So they had them, a little baby. He had to stay in the hospital for a little while. You know, catch up with his weight, but not too much. I mean a month or 25 days, that's not too bad. Prematurely, like for the most part, everything's developed. But he did continue to stay small throughout his life. Right, he was super creative, loved writing poetry and acting and playing dress up and his favorite person to dress up as for Halloween and pretty much any day of the week, was the legendary treasure Dolly Parton.
Speaker 2:Dolly Dolly Matt loves her some Dolly.
Speaker 1:Cher and Dolly have got it going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they still do.
Speaker 1:They still do Now. Judy said that she knew from a young age that Matt might be gay so she kept it to herself but she prepared herself for the day that Matt would come out and Matt would go on to be elected as a peer counselor. He was voted friendliest kid in his high school class and Matt was also really interested in politics, like at a young age, and he liked to read the newspaper Like that's so cute. I personally I would beg my parents to buy the Sunday paper, but that was just for the comics.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:You remember on the Sunday paper they had the big Well.
Speaker 2:you had told me that when your dad was working, you would sit there and read the paper while he was out there busting ass in the heat, and you were sitting in the truck.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, and when I would get done with that. I had brought a book that's cute as fuck too, Lindsay. Yes, I would eat. Cute little Lindsay, I was such a little.
Speaker 2:Cutie dude. I look at your pictures. You're cutie.
Speaker 1:I look like a little boy.
Speaker 2:No, you're so cute you were like the one that even if you were my daughter, you're coming with me because you're cute as shit, I swear.
Speaker 1:I apologize in advance. You guys, my allergy has been killing me for a month and they're extra bad this week. So been killing me for a month and like they're extra bad this week so I might be a little nasally. So matt's goals were that he wanted to be famous and he wanted to be a diplomat for change, I mean that's cool, go.
Speaker 2:I did not have goals like that in high school. Those are big, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know you gotta have a I didn't know what the fuck I wanted to do with myself.
Speaker 2:Well, it seems like it seems like so far, like he's had a support system to actually let him have those thoughts and the drive to actually do it. You know.
Speaker 1:And when Matt was in high school, I think his junior year, dennis was hired as a supervisor for an oil company in Saudi Arabia called Saudi Aramco. Yeah, we're going to go with that. So the family moved to Saudi Arabia, wow, yes. Yeah, we're going to go with that. So the family moved to Saudi Arabia, Wow, yes. And now most, you know most kids would be like oh my God, I got to move in high school. But Matt and Logan, like they actually they're excited about the adventure.
Speaker 1:They were excited about it, yeah, now there wasn't any Americanized schools in that area, but there was one in Switzerland called the American school in Switzerland, or Tassus, and it was a boarding school. So he would be living there. Judy said that there was a rough start in the beginning. Yeah, naturally yeah, and like the boarding school, like encourage them to, like separate right away. But Matt knew that they were like in a hotel right across the street, so he would call them and cry and he's and Judy and Dennis were like okay, the school says that we have to keep our distance, so you get used to this new environment and adapt.
Speaker 1:And he ended up and he ended up really thriving there, so it ended up being a great, a great move All of that.
Speaker 2:That's really cool. Sounds like it's going to be an awesome story here.
Speaker 1:While attending TASIS, matt became a theater kid and he also took German and Italian courses. Friends of Matt also knew that he was gay, but he wasn't quite out yet, so no one was really pressuring him to do so. He was just accepted. He had his group, he had his buds.
Speaker 2:Sounded like he had it going on. He's thriving, like he's thriving, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:So Tassus would send kids out to different countries so they could get cultured, broaden their horizons, have cool experiences, that type of thing. Well, Matt and his friend group, they chose for their trip to be to Morocco.
Speaker 2:That's cool.
Speaker 1:The school wasn't really on board at first because of safety issues, and this was in 1995, by the way, and when Matt and his group were having a great time at first. But one night Matt went out by himself for a walk and unfortunately he was robbed and raped by six men in Morocco in Morocco.
Speaker 2:Dang.
Speaker 1:Lindsay, and after this, matt was never the same. He would have nightmares, panic attacks, and suffered tremendously from depression, to the point of being hospitalized for it, along with suicidal ideation.
Speaker 2:That is fucking horrific man.
Speaker 1:Like you know, he was just going out because his mom, judy, like, explains that, as he was, just he was restless and I believe it was a lot of ADHD type things and he just wanted to explore and he wanted to do things. He didn't want to sit still.
Speaker 2:A brilliant, deep minded, yes, human being.
Speaker 1:And didn't.
Speaker 2:And then they're going to take that little part and fuck it all up.
Speaker 1:Yeah Dang and fuck it all up. Yeah Dang. But Judy also says that they reported it right away, but they were scared because there was another case of that happening to somebody in that area and the victim was persecuted for homosexuality. The victim was, now, it wasn't a US citizen, it was, you know, a Moroccan citizen. But I, I was just appalled. So, matt, he got through the rest of the high school year and he graduated, and then he decided to move to North Carolina and attend Catawba College. Yes, I think that's how you say it Catawba, we're going to go with Catawba. Okay, so this was the year that he actually came out to his mother, but he wasn't quite ready to come out to his dad or Logan, quite just yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was scared of rejection, disappointment and all that. God that's. That's really hard to hold onto when you have an inner turmoil going on and you're like this is my sexuality, I want to be this person, and you're so scared and, unfortunately, in the nineties it was getting easier, but it was still taboo, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it just. I remember going to school with certain people that I knew were before they did yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean you go back in history and I love them just the same.
Speaker 1:And you know, and I would never say you know to their face or not even behind their back, you know, not in a bad way, I just in my mind.
Speaker 2:I would be like unless they wanted to say it, you just wouldn't say.
Speaker 1:And then later on in life when I would reconnect with, be so happy for them that they have been able to come out and be true to themselves yeah, well, I mean in history, like I'm saying like you go all the way back to, like ancient greece and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Dudes, they did whatever they wanted they did whatever they wanted.
Speaker 1:Love was love.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know, even even like the, the, even some of the old cowboy movies and stuff, love was love even uh, I mean, I haven't even heard dudes talk about it in prison Love is love, right? Whatever? Nobody judging shit, just do your thing, and as long as it's consensual, everybody just comes out happy in the end. There's nothing to explain when it comes to that to me.
Speaker 1:Well, judy, she had been married to her husband for a long time and she felt like, ok, I want to go ahead and tell Dennis, but she made sure she told him. Say, hey, when Matt does finally feel comfortable coming out to you, make sure you say the right shit. You know right, when he finally did come out to his dad and brother, they were very cool about it and he became a lot more confident and then he came out to his friends as well. So then he went to Denver for a year and he had some issues with depression and irresponsibility and his parents were like, hey, you got to get it together. We love you, but we're supporting you and you've got to stay on track. So he then transferred to Laramie, wyoming, where he attended the University of Wyoming as a first year political science major and he minored in languages.
Speaker 2:Intelligent, brilliant, just excelling.
Speaker 1:And he's. Oh my God, he was such a cute, such a cutie.
Speaker 2:I don't know anything.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:I'll show you pictures in a little bit.
Speaker 1:He really shined here. He created a mentoring program for new students, especially for LGBTQ students, like he wanted to make them feel welcome and comfortable with who they were. And he was chosen as the representative for the Wyoming Environmental Council and he finally felt good and safe and he was on his way to conquering demons or conquering his demons, not just demons. You know, he went out there becoming demon slayers.
Speaker 2:It wasn't religious, it was just his inner self.
Speaker 1:No, and you know what sucks is. When he was in I don't know if it was in North Carolina or Denver he had actually went to an Episcopalian church there and he wanted to talk to a guidance not I don't want to say guidance counselor a person that he should have been able to open up to, and they just told him that he was a fucking sinner and you know, just evil for being so.
Speaker 2:He was genuinely coming to them about his uh, life everlasting and what he believed in, religion, and got completely fucking shunned. Shunned because he was trying to be honest with him. Yep, and then have an understanding, I think, since this guy, since, since he was a child that's how god made him exactly, thank you. Thank you for being on that there's no one to blame about that.
Speaker 1:There's nobody to to blame, oh God. And that makes me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, we're definitely on the same page when it comes to all that. You can't help how you are.
Speaker 1:Nope, and you don't need to help how you are. You just need to be able to be who you are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, without having to explain shit to anybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he became a part of an LGBTQ group and October 6th 1998, they were having a meeting to discuss an upcoming gay awareness week and they were planning like events and you know, coordinating this whole thing for gay awareness week. And everyone was getting ready to go home but Matt wanted to have a drink at the Fireside Bar and he asked his friends to join but they were like, not tonight, you know, we got to get up early, tomorrow we got to go to school and they thought that he was going to go home too. But Matt didn't mind going out by himself as he was always down for making new friends and really didn't meet a stranger. He was, you know, he was just he was that guy.
Speaker 2:He was outgoing. Yeah, I feel like you're fixing to dump some shit on me right now.
Speaker 1:I know you see me over here Wow.
Speaker 2:Okay, I can tell by her body language over here you fitting to hang on. Let me click my damn seatbelt back in Son of a bitch Lindsay.
Speaker 1:So he goes to the bar around nine and he orders a Heineken and chatted with the bartender for a little bit. The bartender had seen him come in a few times and was familiar with him. And around 10 pm these two meth head roofers came into the bar and their names were Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson. They buy a pitcher of beer with nickels and dimes.
Speaker 2:Broken hearts and nickels.
Speaker 1:I don't even want to associate these fuckers with that song.
Speaker 2:Well, I know they paid for a pitcher of beer. I feel like you're fitting to break my heart with nickels right now, with nickels and dimes. That's such a cool band we play.
Speaker 1:So that's definitely, yes, they were. So this is you know. That's definitely yes, they were. So this is, you know, that's a red flag. Right off the rip. Right off the rip. Now. Aaron. He was a troublemaking asshole and russell was kind of his lackey. He was the follower. Aaron had been in trouble most of his life and was actually waiting on sentencing from robbing a kfc when he was in that bar. It's a fucking chicken.
Speaker 2:The fuck, are you robbing the colonel for?
Speaker 1:me, he got $2,500.
Speaker 2:Oh fuck, From KFC. Well, we opened a KFC together. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I don't think they were supposed to, I mean, so he had to rob them and get that safe open because, there ain't that much money. No, they locked that shit up.
Speaker 2:There ain't that much money in the cash register. 200 years ago, me and Lindsay opened up a KFC together. Wasn't that cool, yes, why didn't we hook up then I don't know.
Speaker 1:And then that was like a 15-year-old I was a cashier drive-thru girl and you were the friar, I don't know. I was in the back, I was flipping chicken. That's some crazy shit when you look back, we worked at the same place and we went to school together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and my co-worker. We had worked together doing electrical work 25 years ago, and then you and I worked together 27 years ago. Lindsay, what made you feel old now? Lindsay? What made you feel the fuck old, right?
Speaker 1:now that right there, because you never asked me.
Speaker 2:I'm putting numbers on that shit now.
Speaker 1:Keep on going.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry sorry, I feel like you're fixing to drop the bomb here we well, aaron.
Speaker 1:He was also openly homophobic and very racist, but on this night he decided with his buddy russell that they would pretend to be gay and get Matt to leave with them and rob him. Unfortunately, this despicable plan worked. So Matt leaves with these two assholes who neither one had a driver's license, by the way, because of DUIs. But of course Matt, he didn't know that. And after being in the truck for a little bit, aaron turns to Matt and says guess what, we're not gay. And you're getting jacked again. And starts hitting Matt with the end of a 357 Magnum revolver over and over to get his wallet. And Matt was like here, you can have my wallet. Like it wasn't hard, like Matt was just like here. But Aaron keeps pistol, whipping him over and over.
Speaker 1:Aaron and Russell then pull off to a secluded area near a fence and drag Matt out of the truck. And Matt, he's fighting back and he's, he's fighting back and he's trying to run. And they catch him and they drag him back and Aaron then tells Russell to grab some rope to tie Matt to the fence. And then they do that and they tie his hands behind his back and then Aaron continues to pistol with him and he stole his shoes, and then they left him tied to that fence in freezing temperatures. And then these two fuckers head back to town, pick a fight with two Mexican-Americans named Emiliano Moreles and Jeremy Herrera, which resulted in head wounds for both of them.
Speaker 2:You can't do this to me.
Speaker 1:So they got that. They they do this to Matt. Then they leave Matt. Okay, they go pick a fight like immediately afterwards, and those guys kick their ass. So now, 18 hours later, On October 7th, a boy named Aaron Kreifels I'm pretty sure that's how you say it who was a 19-year-old student, was riding his mountain bike. He was a cyclist like he did this every day, and he was riding on what was then called Pilot Peak Road and Snowy View Roads and he hit something and it made him fly over the handlebars of his bike and when he gets back up, he notices what he thought was a scarecrow on a fence.
Speaker 2:Lansy.
Speaker 1:He thought it was a Halloween decoration, because we are in October here. So he takes a closer look and he sees that the scarecrow is covered in blood and breathing, but barely oh my God. So he's like oh shit, this is a person. So he gets on his bike and he goes to the nearest residence to call for help. This was hard for me to get through, I'm so sorry. Officer Reggie Flutie was the first on the scene and she couldn't drive all the way to where Matt was because of rough terrain, so she had to get out and run on run, I mean, I don't want to say walk, she ran on foot. And to really picture how small Matt was, she thought he was a 12-year-old boy. What the fuck? Yeah, he was covered in so much blood that the only thing you could see other than the blood were his tears. You can't had washed away some of the blood.
Speaker 2:You cannot.
Speaker 1:He had tear trails down his eyes.
Speaker 2:You cannot dump this shit on me.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's going to get worse, I swear to God.
Speaker 2:See, you cannot. This is just, oh my God, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:This is the roughest one. I would get this one off my chest this month because I've known about this for a very long time and I think about and I've heard a few other podcasters cover it.
Speaker 2:Just left him out there Just left him out there For being himself and existing.
Speaker 1:And Reggie says I just read the next sentence so I'm already like teary eyed. No, Reggie says in the documentary Matt Shepard is a friend of mine that there had been a doe laying near him. And when she got there the doe watched her for a minute and then slowly got up and trotted away.
Speaker 2:So you mean to tell me?
Speaker 1:Shot off. That deer had been with him for who knows how long.
Speaker 2:Who controls animals like that?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:In your mind Lindsay, who controls animals like that? What do animals do? They exist. Exactly, and do exactly what God intended for them to do, and then he felt like he was just, he's been completely rejected by God, and then ungodly things happen to him. So demons are fucking real, lindsay, I know.
Speaker 1:That's how they are to me they are, they can be everywhere. Demons are humans. Yeah, they're not.
Speaker 2:I mean there might be some of the spirit world they're clouding up. This is gonna get. This has been real. I have been crying.
Speaker 1:I was yesterday when I was getting my, I have been crying. I was yesterday when I was getting my toes painted and I took the tablet with me so I can type some out.
Speaker 2:I was crying while I was typing this shit out. We are a rainstorm right now. Like we are, I feel like storming and I'm not enraged right now at the moment, but I'm completely fucking just puddled on this one.
Speaker 1:So, reggie, she was waiting for backup and trying to do what she could to help Matt. She let him know that he was not alone, that she was there to help him, and more help was on the way. Then Sheriff Dave O'Malley arrived and he said that there was a blood spatter at a 50-foot radius.
Speaker 2:Where they just continuously—.
Speaker 1:Hit him.
Speaker 2:Hit him.
Speaker 1:Over. There was drag marks everywhere.
Speaker 2:With a hunk of steel and wood just— yeah, that's what that is.
Speaker 1:I know, I looked it up, yeah, and they—and I remember—I remember my teacher telling—and when I was in 10th grade when this happened, I was in world history class and my teacher, she, was telling us this story and she was crying. So the whole class was crying.
Speaker 2:So this goes all the way back for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that story has been hard to describe because she she printed the story out from the computer and read it to us, what they had at that time. And I remember just like she went into detail. She was so angry, she was so angry about it all and just I remember her passion while she was telling us this story and just I just pictured this small young man just being just beat up.
Speaker 2:And then tied up and then beat more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there was, like I said, there was drag marks everywhere and he, officer O'Malley, said that this would be the worst crime scene in his career thus far that he had seen. Wow, because I mean, like in the documentary they say that the whole state of Wyoming is a sleepy town, so it's not.
Speaker 2:Kind of chill. Yeah, holy shit yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm holy shit.
Speaker 2:I mean other than death. I mean he was probably wishing for that at this point. I mean getting beat that bad God.
Speaker 1:So they get Matt to the hospital and guess who's like four doors down due to a hairline fracture Because he got his ass beat, aaron. Mckinney, yes, from that fight that he picked right after pistol, whipping Matt and tying him to a goddamn fence.
Speaker 2:Right there, right fucking next door yeah.
Speaker 1:Police do question Aaron right away and we're like I know you got hit in the head, but you got a lot of blood on you, buddy. Why is that? And those details are hazy of how he got out of the hospital without the OK. So while Aaron was in the hospital, russell goes back home to where they had left their girlfriends Chastity Pasley and Kristen Price, and also Aaron McKinney. He's got a baby son and Russell tells them that they did something terrible. Then Aaron gets there too and they tell the girls that they need alibis. So they discussed the story that they need alibis. So they discussed the story that they were going to tell and they told these girls that they were pretty sure they had killed an f-a-g really yeah, they told their girlfriends what makes you like no matter no amount of alcohol, you're gonna rank out somebody he didn't.
Speaker 1:He had a pitcher of beer.
Speaker 2:Now he might have been on that he had, yeah, jacked up or something but what I listened to?
Speaker 1:what? About what amount of alcohol I listened fuck, I read what do you get out of that? Or I listened to I don't remember if it was on a podcast or in judy shepherd's book, but somebody said that they deep dove into the effects of meth and it's not as violent as this.
Speaker 2:It's not um no, he was acting like he had something to prove right. This was a joke to him so they?
Speaker 1:they helped russell and aaron, the girlfriends. They helped them get rid of the bloody clothes and, uh, the story was that they were home all night watching movies. But how can that fly when both of them were caught by police in a fight and one was in the hospital, right? How is that alibi gonna?
Speaker 2:fly. All that was written down, so here we go. Right, we got some shit to ride on here I'm.
Speaker 1:I want to ride this one, ride this, here we go now aaron would say he told the girls that he beat Matt up because Matt had come on to him and he was teaching Matt a lesson not to come on to straight people, motherfucker. You pretended to be gay so that you could rob him. Yeah the fuck, make it make sense, all the fucking yes. So if he had come on to you, it was because he thought you were down.
Speaker 2:And I learned to ride out with him and and hang out with him.
Speaker 1:And they hit.
Speaker 2:No matter what the outcome. He was wanting to hang out with him because they told him they were something else, right? What the fuck, dude? Oh, you're going to make me fucking mad right now, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So, and they hit Matt's.
Speaker 2:They hid it.
Speaker 1:They hid. That's some white trash ass shit right, there Ain't nobody gonna look right in here, man. Oh well, they found it.
Speaker 2:A little poo-poo, some poo-poo huggies over here. What the?
Speaker 1:fuck man. Now Matt Shepard, who had endured 18 blows to his head and face with the butt of a revolver and had four skull fractures God, his ear had been crushed into his skull, which damaged his brain stem. So, yes, when he was found he was breathing, but he was very much in a coma, whoa. So his parents. They're all the way in Saudi Arabia, right, and they were contacted by the hospital at 5 am and Judy was like she thought it was Matt calling her because it was United States.
Speaker 1:Even though he, she said, even though he knew the time difference, he didn't care, he would just call him. You know, it's his parents, they're all the way in Saudi Arabia and he's in America. But it was the hospital, and the hospital let them know that their son like vaguely told them that he had been severely injured. So they're thinking a car accident, something like that. So they frantically pack and they make their journey back to Wyoming, which would take them around 50 hours. Really, imagine your thought process.
Speaker 2:Well, unplanned travel, yeah Well, first of all, 50 hours of you just completely not really knowing.
Speaker 1:Knowing what's happening.
Speaker 2:Imagine our child Lindsay. I got to come back at you right now.
Speaker 1:I don't want to imagine 50 hours away from some tragic no An our child. I'm trying to come back. I'm trying to come back at you. I'm already. This is horrific dude, we're funneling.
Speaker 2:Oh my God.
Speaker 1:And they were told on the phone that Matt may not make it through the night. Wow. So, like I said, they assumed that it was from a car accident, but not that he had been a victim of a hate crime. So they finally make it to the hospital and find out the whole story. They go in to see Matt and he is just unrecognizable. I mean, his everything is demolished, just beat up, god, they are told. I cannot imagine. They are told that he is brain dead and they had to make a decision to take him off of life support.
Speaker 1:No, but they can't do it right away. They wanted to make sure that they let as many people as they could come to say goodbye and by this time the story is everywhere. It's all over the media, like they. Judy says that while they were in like a layover, they heard this story on the news before she had even got to her son. Yeah, so Russell and Aaron get picked up for questioning and Aaron, he basically admits what he did because he honestly didn't think he was going to get in trouble for beating up a gay guy. Really he didn't think he was going to get in trouble for that.
Speaker 2:He thought that it was just going to be Like you had fucking done somebody some fucking justice or something like you had done something cool.
Speaker 1:What the fuck. Now he did say that Russell never hit Matt, but that he giggled when the attack was happening. And Aaron said what happened? Was he blacked out from anger over being come on to? And it was. It was just a robbery gone bad, for which they only got twenty dollars, twenty dollars.
Speaker 2:Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Matt's friends and family felt that this was going to be covered up and they were not going to let that happen. Matt's guidance counselor called all the surrounding areas, all the media, to let them know that this needed to be reported as a hate crime, not a robbery gone bad Full on. And his name was Walt and he was actually the first person that Matt had come out to and he was also gay. So he helped Matt get the courage to come out to his friends and family, as he had had the same struggles. While Matt was still in life support, his father drove four hours to Casper to see if he could find Matt's favorite stuffed animal from when he was a kid, which was a bunny named Oscar. But he couldn't find it. But he did later on, but it was just. It was not in that spot and I think it was in a storage unit that they had. But he was just, he was trying to. He did find other things. He felt that if he brought those things to Matt he would wake up.
Speaker 2:I feel like you're abusing me right now, lindsay, I'm abusing myself.
Speaker 1:So nothing is improving with Matt and they. They really don't want to pull the plug, they, you know, it's just that that's got to be the worst decision for a family.
Speaker 2:If you ever show up to another podcast with a box of fucking tissues again. I sort of got them leaving. This is raw dude.
Speaker 1:So they ask Walt to please tell Matt that it was okay to let go. So he did and that same. Within that same 24 hour period, at 1253 AM on October 12th, Matt passed away without being unplugged. Hold on Just a minute.
Speaker 2:This has got to be the worst damn thing you've ever thrown. Hold on Just a minute, manzy. This has got to be the worst damn thing you've ever thrown at me, I know. You know how many times I've said that already on this podcast that you've done here.
Speaker 1:His funeral services were held October 18th 1998. And it was so huge that neighboring churches also had to open their doors for people who wanted to show their respect. And it was broadcast on a local radio station. Judy said that that's who she felt like deserved to broadcast it because CNN had wanted to cover it, but the family declined that offer. I really, really, really want you guys to read or listen to the audio book by Judy Shepard. It's called the Meaning of Matthew and it is narrated by her on the audio book, so that was even more personal for me to listen to. It's about five hours on audio book and it is on. I listened to it on Spotify, so it's probably on all of the all the platforms.
Speaker 2:I'm verklempt right now. I know Talk amongst yourself.
Speaker 1:Verklempt, Verklempt and it. It really gives you a visual of what the family went through at this time. She explains everything that they went through from the time that they left Saudi Arabia. I can only imagine she explains everything, all the way up to everything that is such a long time just to get there and then just find out.
Speaker 2:All this is really true. It's like it's not really happening, but you're getting it while you're on your way, right? Oh my God, lindsay, your own child, and a beautiful human being that had so much to give.
Speaker 1:A beautiful human being.
Speaker 2:Some shitty ass people that had so much to take away.
Speaker 1:There was. Ok, so this was October 18th and there was a snowstorm that happened. Judy says that it started out with rain, then it came to sleep and then it went to snow and people who attended outside still stood there. There you go For his services.
Speaker 2:There you go, the beautiful ass, human being that had nothing to give but greatness to the world and it just stripped away. And you have literally fucking puddled me over here, lindsay. We're a mess.
Speaker 1:Are you ready to get?
Speaker 2:mad. It's getting worse. You're getting worse. Ready to get mad.
Speaker 1:Guess, who shows up, guess, who shows up to this boys fucking funeral?
Speaker 2:I'm fitting a leg wrap for you. Don't you drop this shit on me right now, don't you do?
Speaker 1:it, don't you fucking the Westboro Baptist Church.
Speaker 2:Oh, the ones that said that you were shunned because of your selfness your human being ass, human being ass, ass.
Speaker 1:So I don't have words, I don't even want to say, for the hate that I have for them because that's what they like For the disdain that I have for this organization. They are a hate group, a foul, horrific hate group. Listeners, if you are not familiar with the Westboro Baptist Church, it is a hate cult founded by Fred Phelps in 1955, located in Topeka, kansas, and they hate the LGBTQ community. Oh fuck. They hate the Jews, they hate Muslims and they hate other Christian denominations. They even show up to soldiers' funerals and picket, saying God hates dead soldiers, and they definitely picket concerts. We've watched that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Remember we watched Dave Grohl go by when they were.
Speaker 2:He was acting like he was out there with them, yes, but, by the way, so this wasn't the ones he was trying to confide in and do his own little thing, and it wasn't the same church he went to to begin with. And they were like now, you're a sinner. This is a whole different ass church.
Speaker 1:This is the Westboro. This is the Westboro Baptist Church, the one that shows up with signs that says they showed up to Matthew's funeral with signs that said God hates FAG's. What they had? One with a picture of Matt saying Matt is in hell, and they were holding up signs with stick figures having anal sex saying that anal sex equals death, and they had children holding these signs up, then why did God send an animal over there to lay next to him?
Speaker 2:Exactly? This is not a funeral, right? You can't let that shit just fucking play out. This is so a funeral Right. You can't let that shit just fucking play out. This is so horrific to begin with. You're going to have your shit with it to begin with. In the name of Jesus.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, they are, they are, they are. If they're, I mean whatever. They're evil Fucking on edge dude.
Speaker 2:Like I want to get up right now and do some karate kicks right now, dude, I Dude. Like I want to get up right now and do some karate kicks right now, dude, I want to do like a backflip right now, just like Now.
Speaker 1:Judy says in her book that it took her and her husband a lot of restraint to not fight these fuckers, but she knew they get their funding from winning lawsuits against people who they provoke and strike them. Yeah, I hate them so much. I hate them so much Negative charismatic bullshit. People outside held hands friends, family and strangers. They held hands to block them and they sang Amazing Grace.
Speaker 2:Right in front of them, right in front of them. Welcome back.
Speaker 1:So there were several memorial services that were held.
Speaker 2:Lindsay. They sang that song on the Trail of Tears while they were going through all that shit. I'm bringing in some Native American stories right here. Can you believe that While they were getting stripped away from their land, the Native Americans were singing that song? So that's a I mean, that's a godly powerful song like real God shit. Yes, like real spiritual shit.
Speaker 1:Right, right, yeah, but that's what gets me is like this is a church that is over here spewing hate against these people who are peacefully holding hands and singing Amazing Grace.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:How the fuck do you justify that?
Speaker 2:No. Holding hands and singing Amazing Grace, right? How the fuck do you justify that? No, all you can do in any religion is just tell them that this is my religion and you're allowed to have your own choice but I believe in this and let it be.
Speaker 1:That's it Right Now. There were several more memorial services held as well, and protesters showed up to all of them, but they got through it. I would hit them.
Speaker 2:Bitches upside the head with a flip-flop every chance I got.
Speaker 1:Well, that's how they get their funding. They would sue you.
Speaker 2:Well they would have. I would wear 10,000 flip-flops. They could sue me 10,000 times. They got all the flip-flops.
Speaker 1:So Aaron McKinney goes to court first, and his trial lasted from October 25th to November 4th in 1999. He was charged with aggravated battery, kidnapping and first degree murder. Prosecution wanted death, but Judy and Dennis, they actually petitioned for life.
Speaker 2:Just let him live it out.
Speaker 1:And the defense tried to use the gay panic defense, which is a real thing. This excuses assault or murder when the defendant claims that the victim. What the fuck is this a real thing? Don't be.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no this excuses assault or murder when the defendant claims that the victim's sexual orientation or gender identity causes them to lose control and commit a violent act. This defense has since been banned in several states not all of them. Luckily, the judge did not go for it, and Aaron received two life sentences without the possibility of parole, and Russell Henderson also received two life sentences. Chastity Paisley and Kristen Price were both charged with accessories. After the fact, I think their shit ended up getting reduced down to a misdemeanor. What but Russell Henderson and Aaron? They're in jail, they're in prison.
Speaker 2:I hope they stay there.
Speaker 1:Judy and Dennis formed the Matthew Shepard Foundation and are still, to this day, advocates for gay rights. There was a group that was formed called Angel Action around the time of the trials of Aaron and Russell and they would dress as angels and hold hands to block protesters and hold hands to block protesters. They made angel wings out of foil and pipe.
Speaker 1:You know the things that we did in arts and crafts and shit, and it's just precious Pipe cleaners and foil Pipe cleaners there we go Pipe cleaners and foils and huge angel wings and that group is still affected today.
Speaker 2:It's a fucking shame that they had to tie religion into all of this. It's just a fucking hate crime.
Speaker 1:Well, an angel is an angel. It doesn't have to be religious.
Speaker 2:Or have a sexual preference.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Because we were born off of two people according to that religion. I'm just going to be quiet after that.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to be quiet after that. So Tori Amos she dedicated her song Merman to Matthew in her tour the year after Matthew's murder. Melissa Etheridge's song Scarecrow was released in 1999.
Speaker 2:No way In Matthew's memory.
Speaker 1:This one's going to really get you.
Speaker 2:I'll do another one. This one's going to really get you.
Speaker 1:I'll do another one, and Trivium released their song and Sadness Will Sear in 2006, which is a tribute to Matthew Shepard.
Speaker 2:I love me some Trivium, I know you do?
Speaker 1:We just bought tickets to their show today on the way home. What, lindsay? Yes, I've already talked about that Well.
Speaker 2:Thank you for the awareness I mean. Thank you for sharing that. Why the fuck is religion tied into Human? The gay panic defense?
Speaker 1:The gay panic defense. You've got to be fucking kidding me Well.
Speaker 2:Lindsay, you hit me with a fucking Twinkie defense Last week. I know Twinkie defense, gay panic defense. What the fuck defenses can they come up with?
Speaker 1:To me. I would laugh at both of those defenses.
Speaker 2:The fucking lawyers are so trying to manipulate the system.
Speaker 1:I mean, I actually understand the Twinkie defense more than I do the gay panic defense, because junk food and sugar over sugar, over abundance of it, can fuck with your brain I think I need to keep a log of the fucking defenses that we hear here over here, here here but that makes more sense, you're okay.
Speaker 1:so if you are a person who is deeply um whatsoever, I'm not not offended. If it bothers you so much about another person's way of life, there's something wrong with you. Yeah, you need to turn your camera around or look in a mirror, whatever you want to do. Look at yourself and say, hey, what the fuck is wrong with me that I care so much about what they're doing over there, 99% of it is not projected onto you.
Speaker 2:Right Now, if it's projected onto you, whatever it is whatever it may be, you have a right to defend yourself, right? What the fuck is? Just pure ass fucking existing.
Speaker 1:These fuckers pretended to be gay to Rob Matt because they seen that he was well-dressed and a well-kept boy young man he was 21.
Speaker 2:He looked like a little child and he was so small, oh my God, he was-. Lindsey fucked around and showed me a picture.
Speaker 1:He was 5'2". He was 5'2". That's an inch shorter than me and 110 pounds. Little feller, our 11 year old child, is bigger than him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what the fuck? Oh, I can whip his ass. I bet I really hope.
Speaker 1:Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson that you, that made you feel good, that made you feel like a man to go out and to pretend that you were gay to rob somebody, and then if that person did come on to you, they had all the justification to, because you told them you were down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean as far as their existence goes. Hopefully it just weighs on them completely the whole time. That that part get in, get in their head is as bad as they fucked up Matt's head.
Speaker 1:There is a speech or a victim impact statement that Dennis says during the sentencing and I was going to read that, but I can't. I can't get through it. Like I said, please, please listen to or read Judy's book, the Meaning of Matthew. Dennis does read his victim impact statement at the end and there is the documentary. Matt Shepard is a friend of mine. Please watch that. This never needs to be forgotten ever and I want to.
Speaker 1:I'm going to look up and see if the Matt Shepard Foundation takes donations. I want to donate something because I want that to keep going. Nobody should ever be treated that way, for who they are no, ever.
Speaker 2:No, no, especially if you're just hanging out and just doing your own thing.
Speaker 1:He's just hanging out at a bar that he always went to drinking a hiney.
Speaker 2:Completely unjustified Not doing anything.
Speaker 1:These fuckers approached him to take something from him and he got murdered for it. Yeah, and you're kind of killing me softly over that I know I'm like, I'm still just you really are Damn.
Speaker 2:I know Like, I'm, like, I'm still just you really are Damn.
Speaker 1:So that concludes our story of Matt Shepard, but that does not conclude the legacy and the impact that what happened to him has had on this world and on the LGBTQ community.
Speaker 2:Could have brought so much more to the world. Oh yeah, just a young child, absolutely, absolutely, coming into his own.
Speaker 1:But his family is fighting the fight for him. I mean, that just makes me happy inside, you know.
Speaker 2:How in the hell do I do this?
Speaker 1:Do not, do not applaud me.
Speaker 2:I don't know how to do it, but you did a great story, lindsay. How do you do this Well? I mean, this is a thing that I've been doing on every podcast. What I'm applauding now is the awareness.
Speaker 1:What Awareness.
Speaker 2:That we're sharing. Yes, I'm not applauding anything about the horrific ass shit that happened. I'm applauding the awareness that we can spread toward people just being open-minded and let people be people. We're just human beings. Dude, this one was hard for me.
Speaker 1:I thought maybe I had cried enough through the week that it wouldn't happen.
Speaker 2:And when you do that and I look over at you- and you look at me. Oh my God, and I look at him and then we leave and he looks at me. You're killing me Softly with your All right, Jesse.
Speaker 1:What band are you going to plug for us today? I'm allowed to play music.
Speaker 2:Yes, I am allowed to play music.
Speaker 1:You are.
Speaker 2:This is like the light part of it. I mean, I don't. The song is called A Disappointment and this was a disappointment of humanity, so not matthew but hey fans, irish sunglasses irish sunglasses you know this shit's gonna be fire, dude. You know it's gonna be fire, so I want you guys to check out irish sunglasses. This song is called disappointment, so I'm gonna fire this thing off, you guys ready.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Be alive, be alive. Let it ride you down the line. Fly to your home, send back to where you died. Fly to your dreams. Be positive for the future. Don't forget the contract. Take the years that I've been reading and I won't take such a price. Be alive, be alive. Be alive, be gone, be gone. Become a ghost Like an avalanche. I'm in the ocean and I thought I could do it. Tell me who you really are. I play these games so close and yet so far. You're like magic to me. I'm sorry. Your sunshine is a perfect. It lies in the sky. It lies Perfect occasion to leave the dance. Tell you, I got the notion of what the world is like. I don't care no more. You and I are bullshit. You're such a disappointment. You're into the sky. Holy shit, lindsay, that was some good punk I love it From Wisconsin.
Speaker 2:Love it.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Dude. Wisconsin Check them out, check them out, irish sunglasses. And that was more than everything I could imagine just from the name. It was just even more. It was like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Really cool very cool check them out check them out. I was over here bopping and trying to find them on instagram so we can see where they were from, so we can follow them stuff and absolutely yeah, I find so many cool bands out there and I just love it.
Speaker 2:I love it. This is this is what I thrive to do. It's just like a reset of um, everything you know you can. You can mess me up over here with your stories, and then I get a cool, bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this one was rough it was rough very, very rough. Really damn, lindsey I know so we're gonna have one more l story for Pride Month, and then July is going to be all about Jonestown.
Speaker 2:We're going to Jonestown in July Going to Jonestown in July I might know some shit about that one. Lindsay, I know we're going against the grain over here.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:But holy shit, I bet you're going to flip me so much?
Speaker 1:I bet you don't know a lot of the details. Don't tell me I bet you don't know a lot of the details that I do, I'm not going to, I'm not. It's going to be three or four parts so.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we're going to Jonestown in July.
Speaker 1:Jonestown in July.
Speaker 2:But next week is going to be another fucked up story about something that ties into the month's pride stuff. You really fucking me up over here, man.
Speaker 1:I know I'm so sorry. Jonestown's going to fuck me up too. I brought you awareness, Did I not?
Speaker 2:We found another foundation. It's a constant.
Speaker 1:We found another foundation that we can plug in our show notes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, yeah, and don't forget the one I always put in our show notes as well.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. The West Memphis Three. So yeah, that's going to be a constant plug until we get some justice.
Speaker 2:Up to our ability. We're always going to support everybody. I mean, we're just two people and we're going to do the best we can and we're going to share and support everything that we can.
Speaker 1:And you can share and support us by following, liking, sharing. So listen, if you guys give us a five-star rating on whatever platform you listen to us on, that helps us get into the algorithm. Oh, lindsey's going for the algorithm, I'm going for the algorithm and, of course, follow us, like, share. We know you guys are out there listening.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Support us by just giving the little clicks, the little likes. And we haven't broke 100 on our Corpsewood Manor, our first one dude, check out Corpsewood Manor, if you hear this yes, yes, yes, I've been, and I've been sharing all of our episodes on my personal social, which is Lindsay Stambaugh, on Facebook. If you want to follow me, you can. Isn't that crazy? You like?
Speaker 2:follow Jessie everybody does content and things like that, and they're like I'm looking for my five million, my five million subscriber, my whatever. We're just looking for a hundred on our first episode.
Speaker 1:We don't want a lot drink about something dot site.
Speaker 2:We put a lot into this and we just want to make it worth it you know, so help us get into that algorithm we love you guys. Well, the worth it is. I see it, we see it every week.
Speaker 1:We really do, thank you so much, oh, absolutely, thank you so much, and I mean just you know you just thank you to everyone that's ever listened to lindsey's voice.
Speaker 2:Don't worry about mine. Thank you so much, and I just wanted to say thank you, and I also wanted to say thank you and, and, and we want to say again thank you.
Speaker 1:You to Jenny Hayes for conversing with us.
Speaker 2:Haynes.
Speaker 1:I don't know why. I want to say Haynes, haynes, yeah, we love you so much and we hope we give you, we want to send you all the positive vibes and happiness for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2:Center of Care Package. And there was a contest that I did on one of my previous podcasts, remember that Said that I was going to send somebody some merch if they figured out my little joke in one of our podcasts. So if you find that joke and you find that I had said that, hit me up and I will send you something.
Speaker 1:You don't even remember what episode it was.
Speaker 2:I don't, but we got a little merch store at drinkaboutsomethingsite. A spread shirt. But yeah, if you go to drinkaboutsomethingsite At Spreadshirt. But yeah, if you go to drinkaboutsomethingsite, it'll take you to a link at Spreadshirt and you can buy whatever you like Some cool shit, and I've sent some stuff out to some people. Some people have bought some stuff. We got merch, we got cool stuff. Just follow us and have fun.
Speaker 1:We love you. We love you and let us know that you're having a good time listening. We're enjoying putting this information out, which a lot of it is already out there, but I enjoy personally hearing different opinions and views on certain cases.
Speaker 2:You got me constantly coming up with cool stuff that nobody's done before as well. You know. Two blocks away from us, you know, I know Things like that. Oh guess who else just hit?
Speaker 1:me up. Unfortunately, we live in a good old boy town, so information on our cases in this town are hard to find.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Miss Becky Sandoz from Sister Sandoz Remember that band? Yeah, she just sent me some stuff and said I got everything ready. Dude, we need to do a pod on this stuff. That happened in Georgia?
Speaker 1:Yes, okay no-transcript.
Speaker 2:And then we got some native American stuff coming up in November, so stay tuned Right.
Speaker 1:Yes, we hope you keep listening. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2:Celebrity like native American celebrity. He's done music for like movies and all kind of cool stuff.
Speaker 1:So that's some cool stuff. I'm excited for that Cool stuff yeah, al Santos. Stick with us guys. Yeah, we're going to keep on getting better. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we will see you guys next Friday.
Speaker 1:Yes, we love you so much. Bye.
