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EPISODE 40: JIMS DECK IS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT! JIM JONES PART 3
The story of Jim Jones unfolds like a slow-motion car crash you can't look away from - and in this third installment of our deep dive, we're witnessing the chilling acceleration toward disaster.
Lindsay guides us through the People's Temple's 1970s transformation from apparent social justice movement to full-blown cult, revealing how Jones built a financial empire generating the equivalent of $1.7 million annually from his devoted followers. We examine the extraordinary manipulation tactics - from staged healing ceremonies where "cancer" was dramatically removed from audience members, to requiring members to sign away all rights to their donations.
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Hey, Jesse.
Speaker 2:Hello Lindsay.
Speaker 1:What are you drinking today? I've got.
Speaker 3:It's a Cosmic Vibe and Crown. So it's a Cosmic Crown in my no Quarters. No Mercy cup. What about you? What?
Speaker 1:are you drinking, love it? So I've got a mixture of my mango white claws that always get rejected, so I decided to mix them with peach mango energy, energy drink packet. Yeah, and with some sparkling water like. I made a whole thing over here. I love it and my heart's racing. Life is good. That means I'm alive, right energy and alcohol.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm on Celsius Cosmic vibes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we had the grandbabies last night and we have been at the Springs and hanging out with the fam all day today. I did take a nap on the way home, I did not.
Speaker 3:Thank you, jesse, I did not, but.
Speaker 1:Passenger princess will be right back. You had two hours more sleep than I did last night. Your girl couldn't fall asleep till 1.30 because I had a Lonnie last night at six o'clock to make sure, because I was dead yesterday, like I didn't want to do nothing because it's that time of the month and I didn't want to do anything. Wake up, wake up, wake up. It's that time of the month and I didn't want to do anything. Wake up, wake up wake up yeah hey bone thugs.
Speaker 3:And harmony is on tour again I.
Speaker 1:I did my workout, I made our river food. I made a cake for my son.
Speaker 3:We celebrated his 24th birthday did that make you feel old, lindsey?
Speaker 1:well, that was gonna get there, okay, but I still kicked all the ass. But then when I was done with all that and after I made the cake and it was so hot having the oven on in 100 degree weather I was like fuck this, I'm not cooking. And now for the money we spent on DoorDash last night. I'm wishing I had a cooked.
Speaker 3:We could have cooked like nine steaks.
Speaker 1:No, we couldn't have cooked. We could have cooked like nine steaks. No, we couldn't have. You don't grocery shop, you have no idea. Ten dollar steaks hundred dollars.
Speaker 3:Where's?
Speaker 1:ten dollar steaks they don't have steaks for ten bucks not the ones I want to eat oh yeah, that's like a chuck steak I would have been not their damn ribeye, I would have been happy dude not me. I don't like no chuck chewy ass steak anyways okay so I kicked ass yesterday and then I was like fuck life and but I still had to get the grandbabies because I love them and it was time for a visit. So I drank a cherry slush alani with my door dash arby's and I was up to 130, almost two I asked out at 11.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but uh, the kids, 99.9% of the grandkids were asleep.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I think the oldest. She was awake until 1130.
Speaker 3:Oh, so it wasn't too bad. You were just sitting there, wide-eyed and bushy-tailed, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then I escaped to our room about an hour after you had already went in there and watched some Modern Family did some squats and some planks trying to run that out. Really, you was working out.
Speaker 3:So did I serenade you, did I keep time.
Speaker 1:No, you were snoring, that's what I figured the loudest I was like fuck.
Speaker 3:So you were rowing the boat and I was keeping time.
Speaker 1:And then 4.30, creepy kid right in my face.
Speaker 3:You screamed I did scream.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love her. I was like, yep, I was like I screamed and they cuddled her right in. I didn't scare her, she scared the shit out of me.
Speaker 3:I'm surprised, because I used to scare silas when he would do that I love babies with big eyes, man, they just show up right in your face at four o'clock in the morning and just looking at you and they're like can I come late? Yeah, but you gotta rub my back.
Speaker 1:She was like come on. Chima, chima and I'm like, ah, that was cool.
Speaker 3:But happy Friday everybody. We're gonna get that intro going, we're going right now we're going right, motherfucking now. Happy Friday.
Speaker 1:Hey, right Turn, clyde. That's what Jesse's shirt says.
Speaker 2:You like my shirt.
Speaker 1:So, lindsay, I didn't tell you what made me feel old. I well, I really didn't um technically ask you, yet you jumped ahead. What made me feel old is my oldest child is 24. Yeah, so what made you feel old?
Speaker 3:I feel old. I give you your notes.
Speaker 1:I really do that you typed at the top of mine I'm plugging in her notes these days. Yeah, it's okay, Same paper. I don't read them though.
Speaker 3:No, I'm like, let me read it.
Speaker 1:No, he loves to be surprised, you guys. He genuinely does never want to know what's going on.
Speaker 3:So you do remember as being a kid right, a week took forever, it did, it did. A year was a lifetime. Now it seems like a week was two minutes, like the whole damn week flies by so damn fast, like the older you get, the more time flies. And it's true, right.
Speaker 1:Well, I was just thinking about that the other day A car trip, because we have family in Lakeland and we would go there frequently.
Speaker 3:You, feel like that shit took a week to get there, but now we could go back.
Speaker 1:We could go to Lakeland and back in a day and it would be nothing.
Speaker 3:We'd day trip that shit and be like, hey, we're done, yeah, I mean we go to Tampa for concerts?
Speaker 1:Yeah, all the time Collectively three hours a day. Went to the river did a whole like nothing but I remember that trip used to feel like it was never going to end.
Speaker 3:But you was, you was awake and you was looking around yes couldn't wait to see my cousin every moment. Yeah, me I'm driving and you're sleeping now, so it's great that was just today.
Speaker 3:I know, usually it's not, I'm just giving you a little shit back there on the passenger. Gothic princess, though, and if I changed the radio while you're dead ass asleep, all the lady Gaga, your ass fucking wakes up. At a dead ass. I mean morbidly sleeping over there in rigor mortis. Oh, why'd you change that? I'm like what do you changed the Gaga? Well, I wanted to sing to fucking Whitney Houston, okay it wasn't Whitney Houston, it was fucking Beyonce and Jay-Z.
Speaker 3:Well, I did, and you didn't even wake up when I was singing. I Want to Dance with Somebody.
Speaker 1:And I was out, but I know when Gaga is playing.
Speaker 3:The whole time I'm like.
Speaker 1:I want to dance with somebody.
Speaker 3:And then when they're like juking and everybody's asleep just heads bobbing in the back and I'm like cool, I want to dance with somebody. I don't care.
Speaker 2:With somebody who loves me.
Speaker 3:I did the whole thing, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because when the night comes, I'm having a hot dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because when the night comes, I'm having a hot flash, you guys.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Can I turn that fan on? No, our microphones are picking up.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, lindsay's flashing me.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Hot flash. The underneath of my legs have just instantly started like pouring sweat, it's this corner dude this time of year, Our little stories.
Speaker 1:I feel the inferno inside of me.
Speaker 3:Well, no, I'm burning up too.
Speaker 1:Oh, are you? Okay, maybe I'm not hot blushing.
Speaker 3:It's this kitchen corner over here. The story is from the corner.
Speaker 1:Why have we never noticed it until last week and this week?
Speaker 3:It is 120 degrees out.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's why.
Speaker 3:I'm messing up my mic. It's 120 out right now. Yeah, it's hot as shit. Hot as balls, dude.
Speaker 1:Alright, you guys, I need y'all, I need my audience to participate in a little game. If you have listened to part one and two of our Jim Jones saga thus far, leave us a comment on whatever app that you listen to us on, and leave us a review, if you like it, because today we're going to end up part three, dun dun dun.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I have so much to still cover you guys. I'm way up in Jim Jones' butthole in these books. Yeah, like.
Speaker 3:She has been living the life.
Speaker 1:I have been and I mean and I'm not hating it all the way Like I'm riveted, like I'm very intrigued and interested.
Speaker 3:More shocked than you thought you would be. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I've listened to a lot of coverage on this fucker and there's more. There's so much more and there will be more that I can ever cover for you guys. So I will definitely recommend the books and the authors and I'm gonna give you a review, of which one I like better.
Speaker 3:Um, on next week's episode, yeah, see, I'm I'm not supposed to know, but I have watched a doc. I've seen a couple of things. Oh, it's a very popular case.
Speaker 1:You're going to know some of the ones I talk about but you never know all the dirt.
Speaker 3:I feel like you're fitting a drop, cause you were like dude, I got some audio that you're going to do I'm going to do later on as well, in the middle of this pod.
Speaker 1:So we're going to do some reviews. Oh God, we got a fly buzzing in here.
Speaker 3:It's a fruit fly dude, it is. We have plants. Yes, they live in our plants.
Speaker 1:Okay, so if you need a recap, please go back and listen to part one and two and leave us a comment on those two and tell us what you are thinking so far.
Speaker 3:So we're getting off in the deck of general.
Speaker 1:Yes, so now the People's Temple are living the socialism commune life in Ukiah, California. Their church is in Redwood Valley. Recruitment of new members, particularly from black churches in San Francisco, was on the rise. There were healings and cancer removals Not really and even resurrections from the dead. What Now? It is said um that what would happen in these was Jim's is like cause, you know, by this time he's got, he's got nurses and shit working for him following him. He's got nurses, he's got doctors, so they show up, they're like, nope, he's dead, all right.
Speaker 3:And then, like 30 minutes later, you're healed.
Speaker 1:They said that they were like giving these folks tranquilizers so they would look dead. These were definitely like I said, all performances by Jim's closest circle Patti, cartonelle and now a few others are Jim's eyes and ears so that he could point someone out in the audience and tell them something personal about themselves that they did not think he would have known about them. Sermons were absolute marathons. People would hold their bladders and pass out from exhaustion because Jim didn't put a time limit on anything. It's even said that he was relieving himself because he's got a pulpit, that there was a little pee-pee door.
Speaker 3:He was just going.
Speaker 1:And fuck the rest of his congregation.
Speaker 3:He's good he's being back there. Was he yayed up in that deal?
Speaker 1:We're going to get there. We're going to get there, but first I want to have you play some of the audio from these healing sermons. So go to your messages and I have sent you.
Speaker 3:That's why my phone was vibrating Okay.
Speaker 1:So the one that I sent you first I think it is nine minutes long is the one we're going to play first. Okay, so hang tight everybody and listen to the audio of Jim Jones's little compilation of some healing services.
Speaker 3:This is some old stuff.
Speaker 1:This is what I grew up in right here.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Got the hands and the air. Excuse my cough. Oh, that screaming is the appearance of Jim Jones at the podium.
Speaker 3:Oh, so he showed up. So everybody went crazy. Yeah, oh, shh, there he is Father Jones.
Speaker 4:Father Jones, with fond embrace, a salutary kiss of greeting to your neighbor. Let's fill this atmosphere with warmth and love. Now, as we meditate, god is love. Love is a healing remedy. We're going to reach out to areas where man has seemed to have difficulty. As we concentrate that the gifts of the Holy Spirit might function, are what the secularists might speak of as the paranormal.
Speaker 3:Let us believe he's like the Elvis of the church Right.
Speaker 4:Most definitely Sister Ingram.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:You're concerned about the losing of your sight. You're not able to see me clearly. Things just blur to you. You have to stumble around lately through crowds and are not able to see even people's faces close up to you.
Speaker 3:You can hear a rat piss on cotton while he's talking. That's true.
Speaker 4:You've told me nothing about your condition. No, I haven't Give that little sweetheart a little bit of love.
Speaker 3:She pissed on cotton. Thank you, baby, oh gosh.
Speaker 4:Now Take your glasses off. Let's just dare in our faith. We've seen Sister Brown here, who was blind, totally healed. Saw one of our sisters Blind From her childhood. It could be hysterical blindness, whatever, we're not concerned. She was blind, totally healed. I saw one of our sisters blind from her childhood. It could be hysterical blindness, whatever, we're not concerned. She was blind and could not see. Now look at my face. I'm going to hold up some fingers. You concentrate hard, concentrate hard. I love you, the people love you. Most importantly, christ loves you. What do you see? How?
Speaker 2:many fingers.
Speaker 3:Three.
Speaker 4:We witnessed a miracle.
Speaker 1:Right there, the a-year-tip, one finger. Wow, we witnessed a miracle.
Speaker 3:Right there, the aegotips one finger wow let's all be thankful as she cries back there. Let's cry and rejoice with her.
Speaker 1:Edie, this is a different one.
Speaker 4:Forever Are your fingers numb In your left hand.
Speaker 2:Having enormous headaches in your head.
Speaker 1:Yes, reach your hands out, I have headaches in your head.
Speaker 4:Reach your hand out to me, reach the fingers out that are bothering you.
Speaker 3:Now is the pain gone, he's healed again.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and this was like what I grew up with Somebody be healed and the band would play.
Speaker 3:So people would be healed in front of you.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Really yeah.
Speaker 4:Wow, did you once lose a loved one? I think the name of Jamesames yes, that's my brother was 14 years of age and someone. He was reading something and someone asked him for what he had and he, he didn't want to give it. Yes, yes, he did, and that person shot him today.
Speaker 4:Yes he did. Yes, he did. I'm saying this to give you faith, so that you can mount up, because you've been feeling pain here in the chest, yes, and in the back, yes, and you injured your foot some time ago yes, he did, and you've been having constant pain.
Speaker 1:He's dealing aces and you had to move dealing with the chair well, he's got his eyes and ears told me or no one else all around the crowd before when everybody's coming in now, where's your pain?
Speaker 3:look at her dancing. That's called adrenaline.
Speaker 1:Adrenaline, placebo, psychosomatic oh my God, Got a nice little band they put out some albums too.
Speaker 3:The band looks like the Beatles. The second row.
Speaker 4:You have a bad spinal condition, yeah, and your hip is injured, yeah, step from your wheelchair. Begin to step from your wheelchair Now. This is dangerous. Oh, just try it. Just try it, we have nothing to lose.
Speaker 1:He's making this woman walk and she really can't.
Speaker 4:We're no panacea, really, but I have seen more healings here than I've ever seen anyplace. I love you. Jesus Christ loves you. Jehovah Jireh, all the goodness of all the world's great religions. In the name of the mercy and the goodness of Jesus, wherein I stand, come forth my dear, stand up, take that step, bless your heart. Take that step.
Speaker 3:That's quite a run. Okay, that's called running.
Speaker 4:Okay, now Move forward, move forward, move forward.
Speaker 2:Move forward, move forward, move forward. You can do it. Move forward, move forward Child, see how close you are.
Speaker 4:Just a moment, sir. I can just keep my arms tall Now. Now, I watched this previously.
Speaker 1:She looks like she's about to fall down, don't she? Yeah, she's going on. Pure adrenaline right now.
Speaker 2:She's going to cause more damage. She's going.
Speaker 1:It's later debunked, by the way, really yeah.
Speaker 3:She ran Lindsay. She ran that's a plant. Oh wait a minute. Oh not her. I want to eat her cooking. I know she looks like she can throw down in a kitchen, yeah that's a plant. She's a plant.
Speaker 1:So this is most likely, or that last one that we watched. You can watch that on YouTube. It's like a 10-minute compilation of healing services. Now that says that it's at the temple, but that's actually most likely at one of the revivals in other cities, because he would have plants in those to wow the rest of the crowd.
Speaker 3:So that whole thing of her getting up and moving, that was all a plant. It looked genuine Like this old woman. I mean she looked like sure enough she knows how to throw down in the kitchen. Just just amazing, just genuine, beautiful plant of jim jones's deck. Jim jones the ace just throwing aces out of the deck. I mean that is insane. Like I genuinely would have thought that that was a real thing, Like.
Speaker 1:I grew up in this. I grew up in this environment. I grew up going to churches that would have healing. I'm doing air quotes um whole sermons. So now that I'm an adult and I look back, how did the fuck did they know that they were? Anybody was going to get? Oh, cause it was planned.
Speaker 3:Oh, so I get adrenaline and things like it's gonna make you like, because I mean those people were in it, it was like elvis in there, and I mean and honestly, I can tell you right now, being in a part of a service like that, you it, you feel like you're amped up, you're amped up, there's energy and it's wild like.
Speaker 1:It's almost like a type of witchcraft.
Speaker 3:Well, you were told, though, when you're going there, that the spirit's going to be there. The Holy Spirit is going to be here. It's going to be inside this building today, right in front of you. You're fixing to grab the Holy Spirit and embrace it. If you have a belief, you're going to think that You're going to be like, holy shit, it's really happening. This is really going down.
Speaker 1:He is a Middle Eastern preacher that my parents followed very a lot and we would go to his traveling Jim Jones show. I mean because I'm literally comparing what I witnessed with my own eyes to what this same man did in the sixties and seventies and it's very similar.
Speaker 3:So you've been to an Epic evangelist before like big popular ones, lots of them.
Speaker 1:I've been to Kenneth Copeland sermons.
Speaker 3:Is that the blow? The?
Speaker 1:I blow the breath of God on you.
Speaker 3:You've seen him before His face is. So I've seen. I've seen Kim.
Speaker 1:Copeland, Gloria Copeland, his wife.
Speaker 3:You've seen him in the flesh.
Speaker 1:All of the oh yeah, We've went to their conventions. Yes.
Speaker 4:Wow.
Speaker 1:And they're like, call it, like like concerts.
Speaker 3:Right 50,000 people. Yes.
Speaker 1:The energy in there is just insane. I've been to everybody paid 150 to get in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know what my parents pay, but you know we went. Yeah, there's no price for your soul, right? Yeah?
Speaker 1:so that was all kind of triggering for me watching that, because that is what I grew up in, I've witnessed, so that same you left for me from seeing the most iconic evangelist that there is to seeing the most iconic bands that there is.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You're like I've seen Ozzy Osbourne. Well, I've seen Copeland over here, so it's like oh wow, Ozzy Osbourne way, way better energy.
Speaker 1:I didn't know, this is a realization right now. Lindsay to me right now I thought that I told you about others.
Speaker 3:You've never told me you've seen the big dogs before.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've seen the big dogs live in action.
Speaker 3:You've seen miracles. Lindsay Wow, First hands.
Speaker 2:I can't take it no more.
Speaker 1:I mean, I grew up going to a mini mega church, so yeah, I can't take it, dude, you really have oh.
Speaker 3:I grew up going to a mini mega church. I mean, the great thing, the great thing about all that now is, your dad does not even participate and know that shit no more oh, no, no, no he done, growed up yes oh I mean, but it's like.
Speaker 1:It's just like being a fan of a, a big band like we you know it was that's what I'm, that's what I'm comparing it to, for sure, full-on yeah, fully. It's like going to a legend, a legends concert. Do you feel like they were?
Speaker 3:throwing cards your way too, like they were throwing. Oh, I've had, I've been. Hands have been laid on me and you're just like and I'm going to share this story.
Speaker 1:I've thought about it all week and I'm going to go ahead and do it. So when I was growing up I had bladder issues and I mean I still do, but not like I did when I was younger, Like I still have.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you have to pee like every 30 minutes and pee a lot. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, when I was growing, up, I would wet the bed and it was because of my sleep. I sleep so deeply and my children have suffered from it, my sisters, everything. Well, I got hands laid on me by God knows how many preachers telling me that I was healed, but guess what? I never was. I grew out of it.
Speaker 3:But my parents spend money, I mean my, parents took me to doctors.
Speaker 1:There is pills that I had. I mean remember we struggled with the same thing with one of mine had to take him, and I was never hard on him and they said it was genetic.
Speaker 3:Let's just try to do this. But we would catch him sneaking late at night and drinking water. I'm like your body can't do that, dude, you can't do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've had preachers like Jim Jones the big dogs lay hands on me and tell me that I was healed.
Speaker 3:So the most iconic ones that are still right now rolling, yeah, the mega churches, the big ones.
Speaker 1:Have touched me, they have laid hands on me.
Speaker 3:So now it's like seeing the tool Told me I was healed. The tool of all the tools, like the Metallica of all the megatrackers.
Speaker 1:I experienced the in-mayored was way cooler. Yeah, so that was my little story, with all of that, and that was you got an idea. Now we're going to play some more of his clips later on and you can tell how different they become. Okay, so by 1969, there were 500 weekly attendees, whereas the year before it had only been about 100. Now, around this time the summer of 69, which was not as cool for Marceline Jones as it was for Brian Adams Marceline's back gave out and she was bedridden quite a bit and she was no longer able to sexually meet the needs of Jim.
Speaker 3:Oh, and he was always in, it wasn't he?
Speaker 1:Jim's thoughts on sex wavered to his congregation from one week to the next, like literally. Sometimes he said that they should be celibate and they should definitely not be reproducing because there are way too many starving children in the world that needed adopting. So that's how you should make a family. And then there were times where he was like you should practice free love with others in the commune, not just your own husband and wife.
Speaker 3:So he was wishy-washy with his unstable sexual appetite.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There was a couple named Larry and Carolyn Layton that had been devoted followers since the temple moved to Ukiah and they had only been married since 1967. So they're still kind of newlyweds, you know, because back then you know, you met, you married like not where as you and I like met and lived together for 12 years and then got married, like they were still a new couple, okay.
Speaker 3:We had both been married before.
Speaker 1:So it was just like right, right, right.
Speaker 3:This out for a while, yeah.
Speaker 1:So Larry had worked at a mental hospital and Carolyn was a high school teacher, Now Jim. He could have had his pick of any woman in the temple by this time, as they all adored him as you saw?
Speaker 3:I seen they were like dude if he would have spit on the floor they would have been like every woman in the people's temple. Look at Jim Jones. Yeah, oh my God, he looked like I mean, oh man, he was the paraphernalia of the whole thing, man, the whole.
Speaker 1:Well, Jim, he chose Carolyn, Another man's wife. Oh, her looks would be described of those. Her looks would be described of those. Her looks would be described as the woman from the american gothic painting, but younger and uh, yeah, but she, uh, she was only 24 and um, but I guess she was like stiff and rigid, is that older woman in the painting was, and, and she wore her hair in a tight bun. So this 24-year-old woman was compared to the lady in American Gothic painting. If you don't know what that is, please Google it right now.
Speaker 3:So Jim and his amazing deck did not trade up on the steel?
Speaker 1:No, because, marceline, you saw pictures of her. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful woman.
Speaker 2:Well, he couldn't heal her yeah beautiful.
Speaker 3:Beautiful woman. So Well he couldn't heal her. Come on now. He didn't lay hands on her and heal her and make her beautiful. I don't guess he cared no, I'm talking about his old lady's wife Like he couldn't heal her.
Speaker 1:Oh my God. I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, if he can make people walk and get rid of cancer. Why couldn't you heal?
Speaker 1:Marceline Jimothy. Like what's happening here.
Speaker 1:Ah so Jim had Patty Cartineau talk to Carolyn Layton or talk Carolyn Layton into having this affair with him, and she actually wasn't about it at first, but she came around. Was that in the name of Jesus too? Well, that's it. Patty told Carolyn that father needed her. He needs you, carolyn. Now, patty. She really she wanted Jim, but she just did all his other stuff, marceline. He went and told her straight up you can't, we can't do this, we can't do the things. So I got to go, I got to go out and I got to do them with somebody else. She was like, okay, well, no, she actually like was really distraught about it, thought about leaving.
Speaker 3:She probably thought he could have healed her ass too.
Speaker 1:He told Marceline that he still loved her and they would stay married to keep the temple together. She would still have her role as mother, but he had to have his needs met and Jim convinced Larry to go and get a quick divorce and that he could have his pick of another wife with anybody in the temple. And when he returned from Nevada handling the divorce, he did this, that he got a different one. He actually upgraded, got a more attractive to the eye partner. Yeah, what, right. So then Jim tells his children about the affair. He's like okay, kids, mommy's back is broken so I need a new girlfriend to satisfy my sexual needs, but mommy and I are still gonna stay together. Now I'm paraphrasing there, but that's pretty much how it went down. And, like poor steven, he would like hear carolyn and jim going at it. Yeah, yeah, that's in the book.
Speaker 1:In those books like I'm bumfuzzled, I know now Larry got his new wife and her name was Karen Toe and she was, by all accounts, like I said, more attractive than Carolyn and way more vivacious. Like I said, he upgraded so Jim would split his time up with Carolyn and then with his family and then, of course, the temple, only getting about three or four hours of sleep per day. When all of this was presented to the congregation, they all went along with it. Now, the congregation, it was growing and Jim wanted to make sure his longtime followers were not discussing inside business with outsiders. Women were now placed at the doors as greeters and they would kindly stop newcomers and carefully screen them before they could attend the service.
Speaker 3:Oh, seeing if there was some good stuff to grab.
Speaker 1:Or if they were going to be troublemakers.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now sometimes newcomers would be told this is a closed meeting and you can return at another time. You can return when there's a different service that you can possibly be a part of. When we're ready for you and your way of thinking, you can come back. Right, because it's all a show.
Speaker 3:A theme park.
Speaker 1:Now, and I mean they would if there was red flags, you know, or green flags period. They would share all their notes with Jim and he would decide, along with the inner circle, if they were invited to return. He only wanted positive, widespread of his cause and fought very hard to keep it that way. The temple was very, you know, like I said, very involved in the community. They were still doing the good work for the poor and the needy and Jim was keeping up his reputation as a great humanitarian.
Speaker 3:It's the machine he has built a machine.
Speaker 1:Machine For real, Like it's literally a circle. It's just they're constant, they're donating, they're giving back, they're, you know, donating, taking in donating.
Speaker 3:It's just a machine yeah, they got it.
Speaker 1:Now Temple members would regularly deliver baked goods to city and county officials. I know that there was. They had this thing where they made sure that they knew everybody in offices' birthdays and those people would get the people that shared their same views Like you know, mostly libertarians or people that were on the socialist bandwagon. They would make sure that they got some delicious baked goods from the good women at People's Temple.
Speaker 3:All the good, good, good, yes, good good.
Speaker 1:The temple formed a drug rehabilitation program focused on teens that gained the respect of outsider parents in the area. This was a cold turkey method no methadone to wean you off, and after all the withdrawal symptoms had subsided like. I don't know if you've ever witnessed that before, but it is not pretty. They would take them in and move them into temple homes temporarily, and then someone, some would remain and live communally, and then some they would just go on back to their regular lives.
Speaker 3:Right, but if you're going through all that at one time, like if somebody just steps in and becomes a good mentor or something like that, you're going to embrace all of their theories and things.
Speaker 1:The physical toll that withdrawals has on your body. It can be dangerous. Well, it's fight or flight.
Speaker 3:Like you're really to feed into that, either negative or positive. If it's a positive way, you got them in the palm of your hand, right, right, that's what I'm seeing the machine. What a machine.
Speaker 1:I'm raging against it well, yeah, well, yeah, because, well, yeah, because you've got them almost dependent on you as well. Yeah, by 1970, jim had Tim Stone, the very brilliant lawyer, as his right-hand man. I talked about him a little bit in last week's episode. Now a new air quotes donations document was drawn up for every member to sign, saying that anything given to the church was no longer theirs, and if they chose to leave or their membership was terminated, they could not ask for any of these items or money that they had donated back. This paperwork would be signed by each member and notarized.
Speaker 3:All legal, yeah, all legal.
Speaker 1:Well, this is also starting to really be a cult.
Speaker 3:Right, the snowball is running downhill, yeah.
Speaker 1:The expected tithing was at least 10%, but 25% became the norm. Items donated would, just like we said, go right back into the church and the community and it was a full circle.
Speaker 3:We couldn't fucking afford 25% of our no, no, you're not getting it.
Speaker 1:You're not Okay, no, no no, well, if you're living communally.
Speaker 3:Right, and you're getting 25%.
Speaker 1:you're getting meals three meals a day, cooked by the temple women. You know you're getting. All your utilities are paid for Socialism.
Speaker 3:Right, it's social.
Speaker 1:Jim would guest speak at other churches, which would bring in more money, Because you know they always pass that extra offering plate around for the guest preacher. I don't know if you've witnessed that. I have.
Speaker 3:Extra, extra.
Speaker 1:Read all about it, you get one around for the regular church right after the choir sings and then after the guest preacher preaches. Then you get that second offering prayer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, where I've been, it's like non-spoken A gift of love.
Speaker 1:Yeah if you can give a gift of love, if you could buy this man a chicken dinner after church, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah times $2,000. Right, you know what's better than a crawfish dinner? Two crawfish dinners, oh my God.
Speaker 1:His guest speaking would also bring in more members to the People's Temple. More people with money are joining, like lawyers, business owners and college professors. Jim would gain a full team of lawyers and advisors. People were giving their pink slips to their car, valuable family heirlooms and deeds to property. Just here you go, father. Wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, and honestly, around that time people did have some things, you know.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, there were.
Speaker 3:you know, there was a big, prosperous community on top of there was also a big community that was kind of they weren't doing well, so he could play both sides and come up either way, somebody that's just going through all the racial inequality and everything that they're having to deal with and then he's bringing them up and he's also grabbing folks that have things and they're just throwing it right at the church right and they would use, you know, the donated cars, like everybody would use and they would share this, this, these vehicles to make sure that they got to work or to other um other of jim jones's gigs, like they would have like a caravan sometimes to go to some of his sermons in, like San Francisco and Los Angeles and things like that.
Speaker 3:They had means to go to all the functions and just travel in big groups to support and his plants were all going with him.
Speaker 1:Now, this really reminded me of the end timers. So the People's Temple would have many businesses in the area, like a ranch for troubled kids, which I don't think Meade had any of that shit, but I'm not 100% sure. But as far as I know right now they ran our whole town oh yeah, but they had nursing homes, laundromat, print shop and all ran by Temple members.
Speaker 3:And our town actually had a small town cult. So check that out. We just did a pod on that God. Not just it, no, it's small town cult, so check that out. We just did a pod on that God not just.
Speaker 1:No, it's been a while, it's one of the earlier episodes. Yeah, go back in our log, our back Check out our small town cult. Hometown cult, hometown cult. Yeah, it's what it's called. Well, it's still a small town, hometown. Yeah.
Speaker 3:All the towns.
Speaker 1:I know A lot of similarities. They had hundreds of businesses and they drove caddies.
Speaker 3:They all drove caddies they were not about that.
Speaker 1:I mean, they were kind of like socialists, but they were like upgraded socialists.
Speaker 3:No, it was because I heard that they were taking their whole check and just dumping it into the church and then the church would take care of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they were all in debt, but they were bougie. They were bougie, yeah, but they were all in debt, but they were bougie. They were bougie and Jim was not about that. Bougie life, okay, you could not be bourgeois at the People's Temple.
Speaker 3:He'd say bourgeois, like that oh yeah, bourgeois, bourgeois, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:So I did mention it earlier but here is where I officially wrote it. Jim would also have a San Francisco, los Angeles and Seattle branches of the People's Temple. Now one or two times a month he would go to these locations. Then pictures of Jim would be for sale for $5, because just having a picture of him in preacher robes with outstretched hands could bring healing into your household. So some people were buying like multiple.
Speaker 3:Put one in every room.
Speaker 1:Put one in every room, baby. Okay, now we'll put a picture of what it looks like in our Instagram stories.
Speaker 3:So I'm going to buy one of those and put it above our bed on the ceiling.
Speaker 1:I kind of want one for real Not above our head?
Speaker 3:No, I want it in our room. No, it's not. It's not happening, dude.
Speaker 1:You have a Jim Jones shirt. Why can't I have a Jim Jones picture? I?
Speaker 3:designed a Jim Jones shirt. I'm thinking about putting it on our stuff to sell. Well, guess what we got merch I just did some new merch too.
Speaker 1:The sales of these pictures, sometimes in one service, could bring in $2,000 to $3,000. Jesse, this was the 70s. What? This is the early 70s. I'm going to Google, hey Google. What would $3,000 in 1970 be in today's money?
Speaker 3:It's thinking $3,000 in 1970 would be approximately's money. It's thinking $3,000 in 1970 would be approximately $25,170.
Speaker 1:What, what? That's the spending power. What Of $3,000. Half of my salary.
Speaker 3:Half of my salary. Lindsay, that's Jim Jones. You just fucking puddled me right there.
Speaker 1:I know, did you just poop in your pants?
Speaker 3:No, I'm turning sideways because this is have you not noticed, this is my puddle, look.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is. He's turning to the side and I was like are you okay? Did you shart? Oh my God.
Speaker 3:Did you shart over that? No, I just did not know the machine was getting that big.
Speaker 1:That was one service, jesse Wow, one service, jim Jones pictures.
Speaker 3:All the merch, all the stuff, just.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he got paid just to be there too, and of course he had his sermons on tape, like they all do, because they all have the sound of their own fucking voice.
Speaker 3:You can buy the tape for a low cost of $19.99. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Now that we have been shocked and awed at that. So college programs were formed and tuition would be paid and housing provided. Again, jim is corrupt, but good things are happening nonetheless. By 1973, church revenue was reported at $300,000 annually, and that would be $1.7 million in today's spending power with 2,500 members. So he was Metallica, metallica's way cooler.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I mean he was like the Metallica of the. He's the Black Sabbath closer to the period, the ACDC.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because Metallica went until the 80s. Yeah, he was Black Sabbath For sure he was. Led Zepp.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was Queen in Of the preaching world. He was Queen in.
Speaker 1:Queen, I was 75. I want to say that's when. That's when they blew up. Yeah, yeah, so he's good, yeah, he's almost there.
Speaker 3:Wow, elton John.
Speaker 1:Now the temple would bring in runaways, troubled teens and people just looking for answers, because cults were big and those days we're going to cover more in the future, be ready for that. And they would always get help, food and clothing. But they were definitely required to work and to attend all services and open temple meetings Like they would have some closed ones, but open temple meetings you better have your ass in that seat. There was always someone to help and chores to be done. Now, jim barely slept, so everyone else felt like they needed to match that energy. Jim said it was an honor to work yourself to exhaustion for the cause and by this time there were all night guards protecting the commune not armed, not yet anyway and each member was now issued a membership card. You had an ID, you had a membership card. You're fully devoted.
Speaker 1:Yes, jim had become quite paranoid about government infiltration. That's why they issued these membership cards and also had the temple members afraid of this as well. He was establishing an us versus them mentality and you know, as we have already discussed this in the past, nothing good comes of that mentality. No, I think I'm paranoid. Yes, you shouldn't be spending money on anything outside of the commune and don't fraternize with your outsider coworkers, because you could reveal something that was going on in the commune that an outsider wouldn't understand.
Speaker 1:Right and it could be used against them. Nobody needs to know. They business Right. Don't stay the fuck up out my business, my business, yeah, absolutely no. Alcohol, drugs or cigarettes were permitted. No romantic relationships either. Now, if you had already joined the temple as a couple, you were OK, but if not, you were to stay single and work, bitch you can't be a hypocrite, come on. Oh, yeah, yeah OK.
Speaker 1:Every single church is built on hypocrisy. Every single church is built on hypocrisy, but anyways. So this man had people bragging and trying to one up each other on how little sleep they were getting each night. Isolation and exhaustion are two major factors on how you really can get your grip on people and have them under your control. Keeping them poor and keeping them tired. They will never leave.
Speaker 3:That is a quote. Control by exhaustion and oppression.
Speaker 1:Then Jim took his show on the road, equipped with a band and, of course, plants to perform the healings. As that was a little bit yeah, we're getting the band back together. That was a little bit. Yeah, we're getting the band back together. Now, these plants got so good that Jim would call out a non temple member at one of these out of town services and tell them that they had cancer and that they did not know about it. And then his anointed nurse was going to come and remove it for them and the unexpected attendee would all of a sudden have chicken guts in their mouth and, of course, they would gag and spit it up and, hallelujah, the cancer is gone.
Speaker 1:And the band would play and then he would preach, you know about the Bible a little bit and they would dance.
Speaker 1:Oh, they would dance, they would dance. Now, his main mission, of course, was to preach about how the world is at war and concentration camps were coming to America. But if you join our commune of love and racial equality, you might escape that fate. There are members with me right now to tell you how amazing it is and please donate what you can to help our cause. And then they would get back on the bus and count the money and head home and get back to work.
Speaker 3:Wow yeah.
Speaker 1:A lot of work Wow. Yes, so I said earlier that Jim had a team of advisors and a planning commission and lawyers at his side, but he still had to have as much control over everything as possible. He worked long days and barely slept, and that will take a toll on your body, no matter what. Yeah. You know, especially he's getting older. He's like in his late 30s at this time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, in order to stay energetic, he had to rely on some help. Ooh, even Jesus got tired. The help was called amphetamines, quaaludes and barbiturates Yee, secretly given to him by physicians who were happy to help with the cause. Yee-yee, now this is when he would start wearing those famous dark glasses. Uh-uh, he had to cover up those bloodshot or wild eyes.
Speaker 3:You brought in an iconic fucking view. Now the Jim Jones look has finally established.
Speaker 1:Yes, here we are, we're here.
Speaker 3:Full deck. His whole ass.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're going to get into his deck real deep here in a minute. We're getting in the deck Now. He said that these glasses were to shield the regular folks from the power in his eyes. He was so powerful that he could possibly scorch you from his eyes.
Speaker 3:Ooh, he had to.
Speaker 1:Like Homelander. Come on, bitch, remember that from the boys Homelander, yeah.
Speaker 3:Fantastic Four too right, wasn't there one that had to wear the little goggles?
Speaker 1:Oh shit, I don't know I gotta rewatch Fantastic Four.
Speaker 3:He had to wear the special goggles. Yeah, he'd been reading them, comic books.
Speaker 1:Now, all his sermons were recorded and they would last for hours and some of them you can tell are drug induced ramblings and we're going to play a little bit of those, so you can see how different Are we going to get charismatic?
Speaker 3:He's unchanged.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's going to get more charismatic.
Speaker 3:So Jim Jones didn't sleep at all, but now he's geeked up on some shit and now he's got his supervision. So please, sir, can you kindly replay recording number two oh, this is Jim, supervision Part one. Oh, I'm so fucking ready for this.
Speaker 4:Yes, If you want to commit treason, you better be sure you know what you're dealing with, because after we're all dead over here, you might go to a social party. After you're trying to get your little reward, your little 30 pieces of silver for selling out the greatest people on earth, and you walk in with the Judas tribe, and the wife of Judas might be one of the ladies I'd laid to make a socialist Get him, Jim, she might give you slow poison in your champagne.
Speaker 4:You don't know how clever I am. One thing you've all done is underestimate me. I made plans for treason long ago because I knew I couldn't trust nothing. I knew I couldn't trust anything but communism and the principle in me. Yes, I knew that that's what I had to depend upon, not depend upon the arm of the flesh. I never put all your eggs in one basket, so honey.
Speaker 2:I put my eggs in many places.
Speaker 4:You figure that out if you want to. Some of you are too naive. You don't know what Jim Jones is all about. You can't even follow him.
Speaker 3:You haven't even smelled where he's at job turkey right now. Certainly does. He's throwing some aces.
Speaker 4:You who are stupid piss ants and reptiles and lower than the primates, you can make a hoopie if you want, but your hoopie makes me sicky, and so you can make your hoopie while I do something that's far more significant. That's shot out. I got me some big plans, both here, there and everywhere. Got lots of plans there you go.
Speaker 3:Wow, both here, there and everywhere, got a lot to plan there you hear wow, but don't never say hate is your enemy.
Speaker 4:Love has practically caused me to just get you destroyed. If I had hated a little more, just a little more, we would have had a little less trouble. I look at my faults and politically sure you got love principle, but don't say hate is my enemy. What they say, what's at words? Hate is mine and I got a fight a day and night. One of us out of the line. Love is the only weapon. Shit, okay, martin Luther King died with love.
Speaker 2:Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand, some kind of generalized love, and he never even backed it up.
Speaker 4:He sat down bullshit love is the only weapon with which I got to fight. I got a hell of a lot of weapons to fight.
Speaker 2:I got my claws, I got compasses, I got guns, I got dynamite. I got a hell of a lot to fight. I'll fight, I'll fight, I will fight, I'll fight, I'll fight. Oh, I will fight, I will fight, I will fight, I will fight.
Speaker 3:Whoa yeah, they amped up dude. Oh, and this is the first time they've been seeing this enthusiasm.
Speaker 4:Let them hear it in the night, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean you're all in. This isn't new, but Church was never like this ten years before this.
Speaker 2:They're all there, they're listening. Let the night roll with it. What?
Speaker 3:There's more Is there? There's more. Oh yeah, well, here we go.
Speaker 4:Every day I've lived since I was a child. First time I felt guilt when a little dog died. I wanted to commit suicide. I had to kill some little dogs and cats alive and had to do it me alone to take care of them. At that age that's all that kept me through. Then, a little bit later, my mom needed me and some poor soul down the road needed me. It was poor minority, been treated badly, and then you come along with black in the community that I always was their champion. It's always been that way. Somebody needs me. So you can do what you have to do, because I stay alive and do all this thinking and I am bored and I am disgusted and I'm sick with people who do so little with socialism when they have such a good example to follow. Okay, what was the basic premise of Mao? Your menu already passed. What was the basic premise of Mao? Mao Tse-Tung said there's only one way a revolution can come. You know, miller.
Speaker 2:Oh, hold it now. No, no, no. Mao Tse-Tung said the only way you can break a revolution and keep it.
Speaker 4:The only way I think you can keep it is by being peace and being honorable.
Speaker 3:I thought you were talking about super troopers.
Speaker 4:Oh shit being in peace. Mao Zedong said that.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. He's the head of China.
Speaker 4:He's the head of the revolution in China March 6,000 people on the line, he People all along. You've been on a long march.
Speaker 3:Did you watch Super Troopers? Okay, what do you?
Speaker 4:say there's only one way you can bring about a revolution for people. The only way you can bring it on is by killing. Well, what is? That's okay, I'm going to let you pass it, but what do you say? You had a nice little phrase that everybody should know Change only comes through by a battle of God. That's right, senior. That's good, because you, by rights, would have every reason to forget something Change must come through the barrel of a gun, said Mao Zedong.
Speaker 3:This place would be, a paradise tomorrow if every department had a supervisor?
Speaker 1:Because, we got a little bit more to get through. Yeah, for sure there is some examples.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so much Jimothy in the house here, wow, lots of Jimothy. His deck is just insane.
Speaker 1:So there were sermons where he would throw the Bible, stomp on it and dare the sky, god, to strike him down. When that wouldn't happen, his followers would see that he was actually God himself, or some would be so disgusted and not return.
Speaker 3:Right. So he was blatantly defying God in front of everybody.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:And if you stay.
Speaker 1:And that started happening a lot more in the 70s. If you stayed, he had you, yeah, he had you, he had you.
Speaker 3:This guy can defy God. He is God Right. Got him, he had you. This guy can defy God, he is God Right.
Speaker 1:Got him. He had now convinced his congregation that the government had tapped in through the commune's phones, phone lines, and were constantly monitoring all the activity, because they were doing so much good for the poor and for the needy and that went against the capitalist agenda. So more fear mongering, you know. He said that the FBI planned to infiltrate with spies, or they may have already done it. Then he tells his congregation to report on each other for insubordinate behavior constantly. Then he tells them that the government had possibly been involved in the assassination of Martin Luther King and JFK. And he could be next.
Speaker 3:I mean, there's some conspiracies here. Oh, I know.
Speaker 1:But I'm saying he's telling the congregation that he could be next.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, so there's more fear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know they're going to lose their leader. They're going to lose God.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, yeah, the one that can defy the tyrant.
Speaker 1:Love you Defy. Then he would acquire a team of bodyguards within the congregation and they followed him everywhere. Now they were armed and they had uniforms with matching pants, shirts, ties and berets.
Speaker 3:Wow, oh, militantly Mm-hmm here we go Now.
Speaker 1:one of the bodyguards was an accused murderer that had come through the drug rehabilitation program and the temple's funds were paying for his legal defense. It's all it's all. Wow, Now are you ready to get into his godly love?
Speaker 3:I guess so, but I'm not. But I mean, this is a bunch of buildup.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, there's so much more. Oh, I am giving you a review.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm sitting side saddle again. You're like, is Jesse pooping himself over here? No, that's me Like being verklempt and kind of uncomfort over here because I'm like what the fuck is fixing to really throw?
Speaker 1:down, Dude. This is crazy. So we already know that he had taken a lover named Carolyn Layton while still married to Marceline. But that wasn't enough. He decided that if the other women in the congregation had an issue like depression or mild ailments or even menstrual issues, that he can cure them with a day on his deck or a few. A day on his deck or a few days.
Speaker 3:On his deck, deck Ooh.
Speaker 1:And he did not care about age. Ace of hearts and some were not even legal yet. What, what. And then remember Larry Layden. Oh, the man whose wife Jim took away, and then he got remarried to another one named Karen. Well, jim decided he needed that wife as well.
Speaker 3:On top of like embezzlement and manipulation. So now we've moved into that.
Speaker 1:He has taken two wives from one guy. And messing with kids and would tell Larry Layton how many times that him and his new wife, he would tell them how many times they had climaxed in a single deck session.
Speaker 3:All the deckness, all the deck. Did he record that too? Because he recorded fucking everything.
Speaker 1:Oh, probably that's not in public record, but Browch, wow, wow, browch, wow, wow. Now, like I told you earlier, now part like I told you earlier, patti Cartnell would have loved to have the honor of having sex with Jim, but she was too grossly obese and that's a quote, that's not my words, um. So instead he put her in charge of his fuck schedule, and that is what it is called in the books that is not my words.
Speaker 3:He literally had a fuck schedule he had a fuck.
Speaker 1:He went on to tell I'm not done, I gotta keep going, keep going, I can't hold it. Then he went on to tell his congregation that he was the only heterosexual person and all the other men were gay, and to cure them of their gayness, he would need to go ahead and have them on his deck as well.
Speaker 3:Oh, so he was fully heterosexual, but he wasn't heterosexual.
Speaker 1:Now this is recorded. This is a true statement from a man. I watched it in a documentary. I believe it was the PBS one. I'm not. No, it couldn't have been a PBS one, because there's going to be some language here. So Jim even approached a newly recruited male and casually said to him I'll fuck you in the ass if you want me to Like verbatim that's his words You're dropping fucking nuclear bombs on me right now, dude.
Speaker 1:And the guy said no thanks. And Jim just grinned at him and said well, if you ever want to, we'll put you on the books.
Speaker 3:We'll put you on the books.
Speaker 1:Other males who had been with him in the congregation, like sexually, would start to warn others by saying if you want father to fuck you in the ass, take a douche.
Speaker 3:Holy shit, jim gave me herpes and chlamydia.
Speaker 1:I didn't hear about any of that, but he healed it. Actually I did. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie there was talk of that.
Speaker 3:There was talk of that. I figured it was coming because Jim was.
Speaker 1:I haven't got to that part of the book yet, but I have heard that spoke about.
Speaker 3:I just took a drink, but I got a drink.
Speaker 1:I have heard that spoke about in other. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Right now, lindsay Lindsay, his fuck book is just full. And then check this out.
Speaker 1:When he was asked by a black woman why he only slept with the whites, jim's reasoning was that white women, or men, were more bourgeois, aka bougie, and they needed to sleep with him to be more dedicated to socialism. That is literally what he told a black woman as to why he did not have sex with any of his black Are you seeing his fucking face right now?
Speaker 3:I do see your face, Dude. It's a poker face and his deck is fucking full of aces All the aces His deck has been in too many aces.
Speaker 1:He's got kings, queens aces, you name it Shit.
Speaker 3:Oh Lindsay, what kind of shit have you?
Speaker 1:got me into. So Jim now has people reporting against each other, ok, and there would be public shamings, like I talked about in the last episode. Now there was going to be spankings, beatings for these infractions, and one woman was even stripped naked and shamed for having sexual feelings for Father Jim. I guess she just wasn't good enough to make it onto the schedule and he would have some members fight out their differences in full-on boxing matches.
Speaker 3:Boxing matches, if you got that feeling.
Speaker 1:I got sexual healing and boxing matches and boxing matches. Tim Stone was Jim's right-hand man, okay, and his wife Greystone had. At first she didn't like Jim, but somehow she made it onto the fuck schedule and then a child was produced. Ooh, paternity has never been confirmed because she was still sexually active with Tim as well. So little John Stone. When he was born in 1971, a document was signed that Jim was the father but that he was to live with Tim and Grace until he was old enough to live communally, which I think was like two, yeah. And now Carolyn Layton. She also became pregnant, but she was sent away on a quote unquote missions trip to Mexico and when she returned with a child, the excuse was that she had been raped during the missions trip. This was also Jim Jones's child, I mean.
Speaker 3:Now I don't think that was kind of like rape, because like he was manipulating every fucking body there.
Speaker 1:But what I'm saying is like but Greystone, because you know it was frowned upon for you to have an actual child.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Like they wanted you to adopt or be celibate.
Speaker 3:Right Period. So they went to Dragonstone and had the baby and came back Right.
Speaker 1:What the fuck Now, when Grace did have to part with little John John, when you know, they basically took him out of the home and he started living communally through you know, different houses. She didn't really like it and then her and Tim's relationship became very estranged. As he was away a lot on temple business and Grace and another member would end up leaving the church together and, with the help of her family, a custody battle will start. Okay, in time, tim Stone would also grow tired of being at Jim's beck and call and started hiding money in different accounts. Oh, you can't do that. No. In the meantime, 300 acres had been purchased in Guyana, south America, and around 50 temple members would be sent down to start development on the new promised land or Jonestown.
Speaker 3:I just got chills, lindsay, look at me, look at the goosebumps. Right now, I just got fucking chills Lindsay.
Speaker 1:In late 1976, tim Stone would vanish from the People's Temple and to Jim Jones. This was the ultimate betrayal. Not too long after horror stories of Jim Jones and what was happening within the temple started to leak out to the media. And that's where I'm going to leave you guys, before we start part four. I know, I kind of got chills too, a little bit Dude I got full on chills.
Speaker 3:Dude, you've built this up and I know the rest of the story. I'm Paul Harvey, over here right now geeking. Oh, my fucking Lindsay, lindsay, lindsay.
Speaker 1:I had also forgotten to mention that there were eight college students in their college program that had abandoned the cause called the Gang of Eight, and this is when Jim Jones knew that he needed to isolate his members.
Speaker 3:He was in it. Oh my goodness, lindsay Whoa, lindsay, whoa, whoa. I mean I don't feel like I've drank enough during all of this just to take it all in. And it's just like bombs, bombs, bombs, bombs. And now he's got a whole fucking military base that he's fixing to set up in a different country and that's where we're just like fixing to really fire. On this last episode coming up, I had full chills.
Speaker 1:I know I have. I have my work cut out for me next week.
Speaker 3:I'm having hot flashes along with you, I mean. So that's the whole thing, that's this part.
Speaker 1:So three this and four, episode three.
Speaker 3:It's gonna be all about johnstown I got a cool band to play but first you uh review your uh beard oil oh yes, I do. I said I was gonna, I was gonna do this and I got a new thing here from fable, because I was like I got something cool in and I want to share with everybody because I got a big ass beard. I don't know if you've seen me, listeners and everybody, but opening up this beard oil here. Read it, read it, read it.
Speaker 1:And Fable has really good sense and it stays with you. So this is Witch Doctor and the artwork on these bottles is just they always send a little card.
Speaker 3:Can I smell it first? Yeah, I want you to smell it and see what you think oh, I like hang on, I'll put it in opening, opening, opening the witch doctor, car I'm trying to figure out what it's vanilla e, but it's manly.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean oh, this is cool.
Speaker 3:Like all their art dude, I want to watch a movie with all their artwork yes look at that oh, that's awesome I'm part of the fable army. Oh, Jesse, Jesse, Lindsay you had it all the way like not on, okay.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I left it open for you to smell.
Speaker 3:I love the scent.
Speaker 1:Well, pick it up and put it back in there.
Speaker 3:Oh, we spilled some Hang on, we spilled a lot Hang on, it's going on the beard dude it's going to put a puddle in your mouth.
Speaker 1:You're going to be greasy as hell. You're going to fry some chicken on that beard later.
Speaker 3:I smell good and I want you to open this box too, because this is something that we're going to do on the next pod. Okay, I know we're all over the place right now and I think we're a little drunk, but but hey, I got this cool ass band to play, but Lindsey's going to open up this box that I just got it's special for the next episode and I'm so ready here she is opening boxes.
Speaker 1:You did not.
Speaker 3:I did I did it.
Speaker 1:We can't say what this is yet, can we?
Speaker 3:If you don't want to, we'll just partake in the next episode, is that cool?
Speaker 1:Alright, so cliffhanger we're going to talk about what this is in the next episode, because it is very relevant and I am literally flabbergasted at what I'm looking at right now.
Speaker 3:I love you, Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Yes, make sure you listen to episode four for the reveal of what I am holding in my hand right now. I love you, lindsay. Yes, make sure you listen to episode four for the reveal of what I am holding in my hand right now.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, yes, she's going to love it. Like we're going to have cocktails with such a thing that I just got. So Fable beard oil is amazing. This smell is amazing, witch doctor. So any of you, uh, burly dudes with the big beards? So any of you, burly dudes with the big beards, check out Fable and check out this band, fariza.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:We got to see her where we got married at yes at One Love Cafe. She's so awesome.
Speaker 1:She's beautiful, she sounds like an angel and oh, I couldn't get enough.
Speaker 3:Couldn't Just amazing woman.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I had chills as soon as she fired up over there doing her little solo stuff the tits, and she was doing um singles I mean not singles covers and they were, I mean, like absolute bangers and I was oh, yeah, we were highly impressed so fariza out of gainesville instant follow instant follow Check her out.
Speaker 3:We're going to play some stuff, so here we go.
Speaker 2:Here we go. I was 19. Don't run when you can't see. Tell me, was this real? I've never felt so free. I'm 23, twenty-three. They told me I could dream. Never gave to me Without a time we believe. Can I fall asleep With you in my life? All is clear? I just wanna. All is clear.
Speaker 2:And I'm in 13. They never let me be, told me this wasn't real and they never let me be. So can I fall asleep tonight? All this sleep? I just wanna All this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this sleep, all this. I'm just sleeping, my broken soul. I'm just sleeping. I don't know. I'm just sleeping, my broken soul. I'm just sleeping and I'm falling asleep. I'm losing my life. I just wanna fall asleep. Can I fall asleep Tonight?
Speaker 3:I just wanna fall asleep Tonight, lindsay. So good, epic, it's epic. And then, like they had the little breakdown with the metal.
Speaker 1:It was all metal in the background. That was a whole surprise. That was like oof, we were fist bumping.
Speaker 3:You know, honestly, it caught me like Evanescence caught me, yes, that caught me like Evanescence. It's not Evanescence, but it caught me like Evanescence, if that makes sense Right.
Speaker 1:Your voice is beautiful.
Speaker 3:I want her over for a Gen Z party. I want her over here. We will hire her here and she can set up and do her own little thing over here.
Speaker 1:No, no, absolutely, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:And you can come too. Just hit us up on the pod DrinkAboutSomethingsite.
Speaker 1:Follow us, like us, share us. We're going to have a party, thank you so much With Fareeza over here For listening.
Speaker 3:Thank you so much to our listeners. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:We are just absolutely so grateful.
Speaker 3:If you know anybody in South America, hit them up. That's the only continent we haven't been played at. Yeah, and check out our merch store, check out our jigaboutsomethingsite, it's all on there. Whatever, you know the thing, all the things. You know the thing, all the things. Or to get some little merch, merch and merch. We're on round three of Jim Jonesmas. Yes, one more to go, uno mas, and it's going to be epic dude.
Speaker 2:I have just saddled up it's going to be epically terrible.
Speaker 3:I'm on the saddle Dude.
Speaker 1:I'm going to do shots for that one.
Speaker 3:I got to do shots for that one. I'm doing the. The four horsemen for that one.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay, four horsemen all of them all right, yeah, so yeah with that. We're just gonna leave you with that, make sure you tune in for part four.
Speaker 3:Yeah, share like all the good stuff. Saga is fucking us yeah dude it. Just when you talked about the list. I don't know what the fuck to think right now, lindsay. I don't know. I'm going to be on edge all week long about this, lindsay. You will Thank you, lindsay, again, lindsay.
Speaker 1:Tune in next week.
Speaker 3:We love you so much oh yes, we'll see you guys next Friday. Bye.
