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EPISODE 41: FOLLOW ME UNTIL THE END JIM JONES PART 4
The countdown to tragedy accelerates as we track how Jones transformed from charismatic preacher to paranoid dictator. We examine the brutal reality of life in Jonestown—where loudspeakers blared Jones' voice day and night, armed guards patrolled the perimeter, and "White Night" suicide drills conditioned followers to accept death as their ultimate revolutionary act.
Perhaps most chilling are the actual recordings of Jones' final address to his followers, which we share with appropriate warnings. His manipulation is palpable as he frames their deaths not as suicide but as a "revolutionary act" against an oppressive world that wouldn't let them live in peace.
Brace yourself for an emotional journey through one of history's most disturbing tragedies—a stark reminder of how charisma, isolation, and fear can lead people to unthinkable acts.
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Hey Jesse, Hello Lindsay, what's up? Here we are. Wait a minute, we're at the end. Hello Cindy. We've got a guest here. Holy shit.
Speaker 3:We have two guests. We also have Jason, who Cindy brought with her, as our honored guest. He's going to just hang out over there in the shadows. Hang out.
Speaker 1:What are you drinking today?
Speaker 3:over there in the shadows. Yeah, hang out. What are you drinking today?
Speaker 1:I'm drinking everything.
Speaker 3:Everything. Yeah, you have a whole beer cart liquor whatever cart.
Speaker 1:So I'm doing the Four Horsemen. So Johnny Walker Right, jim Beam Right, jack Daniels Right and Jameson Right. Yeah, the Four Horsemen, the Four Horsemen.
Speaker 3:The Four Horsemen, what you got in your cup.
Speaker 1:I don't know Whatever you just gave me. What was that? I didn't give you anything. Yeah, you gave me some kind of energy drink.
Speaker 3:Oh, alani, alani, we're on the Alani, what is it?
Speaker 1:Cherry Slush.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm geeking on that, oh and I am having a truly unruly. This is a eight percent uh seltzer and I only had two of these yesterday and I was like, oh yeah, but I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna have one of these and I'm gonna have a regular like white claw later on, we're making a cocktail yeah, halfway through the episode, we were making a cocktail and unveiling the box that I opened in part three, which I was flabbergasted at.
Speaker 3:Jesse is rocking his Jim Jones t-shirt and I am rocking Black Sabbath because that's what made me feel old. Rip Ozzy. So what was it that made you feel old? It is literally that, like legends, they're gone. They're leaving us.
Speaker 1:Just passed away, we lost.
Speaker 3:Malcolm Jamal Ozzy Osbourne. Malcolm Jamal Warner Legends.
Speaker 1:Theo Huxtable, yeah, and people that I went with and Joe Maggione People that we went to school with. Yes, we did so that really makes you feel old, like you start looking back you're just like holy shit, yeah, just legends, and even people your age are dropping. What I know we're not that old Lindsay? No, what made you feel old, though?
Speaker 3:Exactly all of that, Really. We lost our icon man, Like blanket old ago.
Speaker 1:And he sounded so amazing.
Speaker 3:He was so good and he was kicking ass even though he was going behind the curtain and taking some breathing treatments in between while Zach was doing the guitar solos and shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3:But he was rocking. He was on stage. I put it on TikTok Because I did record. I went back and looked through all of my digital clutter and looked through all of our videos. From that Rockville Found great footage. I put the entire performance.
Speaker 1:It's blowing up too. My mom coming home and he's all like sounding so good.
Speaker 3:Not no more tears, my mom coming home. That's what it was. That was it. It's like a whole four-minute video.
Speaker 1:Everything that we like to listen to, and he's the leader of a lot of that music.
Speaker 3:He created that sound that we love.
Speaker 1:Love it.
Speaker 3:He's a pioneer, pioneer.
Speaker 1:RIP Ozzy. And you know I grew up watching a lot of pro wrestling stuff, so it was just like Hulk Hogan too, I know. Oh, it's big.
Speaker 3:I watched the Osbourne show and the Hulk Hogan show with his family. I mean, I ain't going to lie, hulk Hogan's got some shady shit going on. But his daughter, brooke, she had done a song with Paul Wall that me and Cindy enjoyed very much and we used to rock the fuck out to that. Yeah, so we've lost some legends this week, yeah For sure. But I love your Black Sabbath shirt yes, I love it too, and Cindy, over there I got a couple of them.
Speaker 1:She's fitting to go on a picnic over there, is she? Yeah, she looks very picnic, picnic like yes it's summer, we're going to picnic all summer long it's so fucking hot, I know most conservative, but less clothing.
Speaker 3:I went outside for five minutes earlier to set up chairs for us and all to chill in between this recording and I'm like, damn, I'm going back inside. It's hot but we got the fans going and we've got the cooler with ice and water.
Speaker 1:This is going to be a long one, so you guys strap in, yes here we go what made you feel old Cindy?
Speaker 5:Everything you guys are just talking about.
Speaker 1:It's just full on blanket Right. Well, happy Friday everybody, and we're fixing to kick this off. Lindsay has a lot.
Speaker 3:I got a lot to talk about. Guys Strap in. Oh my God, what did you just open, jim bean? No, jameson oh jim, that's what I meant to say. Well, irish jameson, j like I'm what it's all gonna run together, jose.
Speaker 1:Jose is like one of them too, but like I think, he's like a non-spoken horseman.
Speaker 3:I can only drink Jose Silver yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I have Jose, but I think I'm just going to do like we have Jose Silver up there. The whiskeys, more the whiskey bourbon type.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know I'm sticking with that. Yeah, mix tequila in there. You may be dead later, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I can't.
Speaker 5:Dead or almost dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I can mark it off on the Bible, so cool. Yeah, I mean I did this for New Year's. One time we got tanked with a friend of ours, yeah.
Speaker 3:Jose has really not been a friend of mine over the years, so I stick to Patron or 1800 when I do tequila.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, if anybody wants to partake, I got them over here. Y'all Party, party, party, party. Okay.
Speaker 3:But if you're new here, what we do is we have a couple of drinks. We talk about true crime. At the end of the episode, Jesse plugs a band that he has sought out and gotten permission to play on this podcast. So we're not going to get copyright problems, are we? Because we got permission.
Speaker 1:I'm not for the bands Lindsay. No, we're golden. Yes.
Speaker 3:And we had something really cool happen this week. So our friend, jenny Haynes, listened to our pod. She shared it to her followers, shared our podcast that we did on her to her followers and has also informed us that there is a documentary coming out soon. So look out for that. We will announce it, we're gonna plug it, do all the things for that documentary. We're ready.
Speaker 1:We're ready yeah, she was really inspired about my analysis yes, she was. She was giving jesse all the love I know that's awesome where I was package and everything we sent her and she's like. You know, I'm just doing my own thing over here in Australia and I'm going to have a documentary.
Speaker 3:There's more comments and there's more to the story and we're going to keep that to ourselves because she did share that with us in confidence. But make sure you look out for that documentary on Jenny Haynes. We will keep you updated, as I'm sure she will with us, so go back.
Speaker 1:Check that out. Yes, you know, check it out and hit them up and hit her up and let her know you know, you understand, you really feel everything.
Speaker 3:Her story was incredible.
Speaker 1:It's just that's what I was trying to analyze through every Lindsay's story, through her horrific battles, which I was just recounting her story, that's all I'm doing here is telling was telling it to you and our listeners because it deserved to be told. And it came back around.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I mean her story is incredible, but what she encountered was horrific. So but she wants her story told, she, I mean because there are monsters out there and they can be in your own family. Yes. And everybody at this table I'm probably sure has dealt with a monster in their own family.
Speaker 1:A demon.
Speaker 3:Exactly. But with that being said, so if you're starting here, please go back and listen to the first three parts, because I can't even begin to recap everything. So now Daddy Jones has purchased property in Guyana, south America, and has sent about 50 pioneers to start development on Jonestown, which is to be a socialist utopia for the people's temple. Now, I had said that the church had purchased 300 acres, but it was actually 3,000. And it was a lease and there were like rules to this lease that they had. You know, it was a agriculture project.
Speaker 1:That's a grip of land. It's a grip.
Speaker 3:But they were only going to develop A certain amount for living quarters. So by this time there had been quite a few deserters and they were all starting to tell of the concerning things that were happening within the temple's communal living. Also, tim and Grace Stone had left the church, leaving their son John behind, because Jim basically had rights to him and was claiming that he had sired this child because grace had slept with him and but her and tim were still also she was on the list.
Speaker 3:She was on the list yeah, but her and tim were still also participating as a married couple. So, like I said, paternity is not determined. But I did look at a picture of this child and, oh my God, jimba. It looks just like Jimba, oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, lindsay, you're fixing to flip so much shit right now it's hard for me to even. This is going to be a rough one. Oh yeah, it is. It's going to be kiki, ha ha, over here.
Speaker 3:Well, it's going to be kiki, ha ha, until I tell you it's not.
Speaker 1:No, we'll know, we are going to know.
Speaker 3:So Tim and Grace, who are no longer together, they still joined forces and had a custody battle against Jim Jones and Jonestown People's Temple the whole shebang to get little John John back. Among some of the early pioneers of Guyana was Jim and Marceline's only biological son, stephen Jones. Now Stephen had caught on to his father's bullshit early on and hated the way his mother was humiliated by Jim through all the affairs and other women and of course, the main mistress, carolyn Layton. Stephen had already attempted suicide three times before his father sent him off to work in the jungle when he was 18. Now Marceline was furious at this. But once in Guyana Stephen did amazing things and took a lot of pride in building and developing the community. Brochures and flyers were made for the rest of the congregation to get them hyped up for this new move.
Speaker 1:Did they play Guns N' Roses before they came down there? Oh, Guns N' Roses wasn't around yet.
Speaker 3:Welcome to the jungle? No, they got. They weren't far behind, though Shit yeah, like they weren't far behind. This was.
Speaker 1:That's what I was thinking. They were in the 80s, right. They were in the 70s, they were in the 80s, right. I was thinking of that, or like some CCR shit and they're flying in with like helicopters and shit coming in.
Speaker 3:Burn arrow, burn arrow. Yeah, that song is played. What is it? Fortunate Son right.
Speaker 5:Some folks are bald. My hands are blue. Ooh, my red, white, blue.
Speaker 3:That's in every Vietnam War war movie ever ever yes now, marceline had been working for the state and she had her own apartment where stephen had been staying with her for a while before jim ordered him to go to guyana.
Speaker 3:She came to jim one day and told him that she had fallen in love with a psychologist and wanted to leave him and take the children and move to georgia. I think it was like fort what's the fort in georgia, because I forgot to write it down fort bragg, banning, banning, banning, banning, that's it, yeah, yeah. So they were going to move to fort benning and marceline had hoped that jim would beg her to stay, but instead he called all the kids in and said hey, mom's being selfish and wants to break up our family for her own desires, not thinking about what's best for everyone, and wants to take you away from everything here and move you to Georgia. So the conditioned children, of course, said they didn't want to leave, but Marceline said that she was going to go through with her plan anyway. And then Jim, with a whole bunch of theatrical words it was more than I cared to write down basically said that he would kill her if she left.
Speaker 3:Yes, control. And she knew that he now had armed bodyguards and would do anything for him, so she backed down. Wow, I.
Speaker 2:And she knew that he now had armed bodyguards and would do anything for him.
Speaker 3:So she backed down. Wow, I know, it's so scary. It's so scary If only they knew. If only they knew the planning commission, or the PC, consisted of the longest standing loyal members, which were mostly white. Besides Archie, iams and the PC were the eyes and the ears and the planning coordinators for all the temple activities. The PC meetings were closed off from the rest of the temple and would sometimes go into the wee hours of the night. This guy never slept.
Speaker 3:Never fucking slept and he made sure nobody else did either. So no bathroom breaks for the rest. But jim would relieve himself when he wanted and we did talk about that in the last episode. We talked about that where he would relieve himself behind the podium while everybody else would hold their bladder and pass out and shit.
Speaker 3:yeah, they weren't part of the cool club no they weren't in the inner circle, okay, they weren't on the pc. The meetings would start out with mostly planning, but would become a whole discussion about who was fucking who, who jim was now fucking and who he felt needed to be fucked exactly.
Speaker 1:Just a bunch of fucking fuckers.
Speaker 5:Yes, had a list. He had a list.
Speaker 1:I didn't make the book lindsey. What do you mean? I didn't make it, you didn't make.
Speaker 3:You weren't born yet. You had a few more years to go. Yeah, I think you would have liked me. What do you mean?
Speaker 7:I didn't make it, you weren't born yet I wasn't cool enough to make the book.
Speaker 1:You had a few more years to go. Yeah, I think he would have liked me. Oh God, yeah, I can tell.
Speaker 3:New people who were appointed to join the PC. It was considered a high honor until they went to their first meeting, and then they were like, oh, this is what's behind.
Speaker 1:There's a whole deck session.
Speaker 3:Then Jim decided he needed to conduct a loyalty test on his PC. So one night, while everyone was gathered, he decided to serve a glass of wine. Now, this was not normal, by the way, because they really didn't drink. After everyone had partaken, he announced that the wine had been poisoned and they all were going to die within 45 minutes. So he tricked them all.
Speaker 1:Yes, he's testing them.
Speaker 3:And some didn't bat an eye, like they were like okay, but then some acted like they had actually been poisoned, freaked out or passed out or started convulsing.
Speaker 1:What the fuck.
Speaker 3:And then Jim would say Ha, just kidding, that was a test to see how loyal you are.
Speaker 1:And me Of the emergency broadcast system. This is a test.
Speaker 3:Fuck. Lizzie Mark of Stanbaugh would have been out. Deuces, pack my bags, let me go. I would have been out. Deuces, pack my bags, let me go.
Speaker 5:I'm out of here. I would have been out when he was talking about the fucking list that he wanted of people to fuck. Oh yeah, His fuck schedule.
Speaker 3:Nope, I mean honestly like and he lost nobody with this test, like not one person. Now, at first, when the when defectors would leave, jim would try and sweet talk them back or get Marceline or Carolyn Layton to talk them back in, and sometimes he would send his bodyguards to threaten them. And then sometimes he would require that you had to move at least 100 miles away from you. They're still in Ukiah right now and for some who had given up everything to live communally, that seemed impossible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're broke. They're broke. They ain't got shit. Ask them to give them all Every damn thing they could do, and they had no means, no means. They had them brought down. They're tired as fuck. They're broke as fuck. They're oppressed.
Speaker 3:They're tired.
Speaker 1:They're exhausted.
Speaker 3:This man. Don't shut up, they're brainwashed.
Speaker 1:Literally, he's banging them all to death. I mean literally, I mean.
Speaker 3:Now, after the gang of eight had took off, Jim had felt he needed to tighten that squeeze.
Speaker 1:That's why property deep in the jungle under the guise of an agriculture mission was purchased. So that was the turning point when the gang of eight left. He's like I was just a little. Yeah, it was almost right after that when the gang of eight was like we got to change. They clocked out and he clocked back in on overtime and shit really started.
Speaker 1:That's where I got chills last time we were talking about the gang of eight and there's somebody fixing to come for him. He's like deuces, right, I'm fixing to turn this fucker up, so it's fixing to turn the fuck up y'all.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it's just strap in.
Speaker 1:Strap Wait, wait. Jameson said so. Yeah, let me take Horsemen, Okay, well, I think it was more than a shot, but yeah, come on.
Speaker 3:Now most of the Temple kids have been going to public school in the area. While they were in Ukiah, Some of the public school teachers started to report suspicions of abuse and exhaustion on the Temple kids, so now it was time to get out. Everything was starting to crash around them and it was all the government's fault and the traitor's fault and the outsiders who didn't understand the temple ways.
Speaker 1:Well anything anybody that's in the public. Anybody's fault but Jim. Yeah, yeah, he's not. You're not allowed to talk about it and you know that's the. That's the first rule about Fight Club right. Right, we don't talk about Fight Club Right.
Speaker 3:Now, I did forget to mention in the last episode that Jim had been arrested for lewd conduct while seeking a male partner in MacArthur Park.
Speaker 1:But he was heterosexual, he was the only heter policemen had been out on a stakeout there.
Speaker 3:When Jim made the signal to a young man to join him in the bathroom, he didn't know that that young man was an undercover cop. So the cop goes to the bathroom and Jim is there already and starts walking towards him masturbating. What. Yeah, that's insane. What? Yeah, that's insane. What it was a thing it happened. Macarthur Park, lindsay.
Speaker 1:So this dude's like coming at you, he's coming at the cops full wake. And coming at himself, and coming at everybody all at one time.
Speaker 3:Wanking it, so Jim is arrested. Is that his fucking thing?
Speaker 1:You're not on the list, but I'm going to put you on the list.
Speaker 3:Well, obviously he wasn't getting enough within the commune, okay.
Speaker 1:I talked about him three.
Speaker 3:He had the whole thing. He has chapters, he had anybody he wanted, but he still had to go to MacArthur Park and find some strange.
Speaker 1:He wanted some strange. Yes Ooh, sneaky leak.
Speaker 3:So he gets bailed out or he gets arrested. He gets bailed out and then he gets a doctor's note saying that he is an enlarged prostate and he was encouraged to jump up and down or to run in place to help with this issue. So that's what he was doing, not masturbating. Yeah, seriously. And Tim Stone before he had left the church, of course had helped this all go away, or this lewd activity could have prevented him from buying that property in Guyana. I don't think, because they did a full investigation on him before he bought his property.
Speaker 1:I don't think our innocent bystanders over here just knew what they came over here to do with us I didn't Well she does, she does she's yeah we've talked about this whole case for years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't think I can shake lindsey too, but jason's like I'm sorry what? He's the no comment guy over here because we didn't even give him a microphone. Holy shit, this dude's like coming at this. Oh my god, I can. What the problem is, lindsey? The fucking problem is, I can picture every bit of all that he's just got an enlarged prostate, just an enlarged kidney.
Speaker 5:Get over that. What's that? The meme of the little kid in the car seat?
Speaker 3:oh, bullshit yeah, bullshit, bullshit, yes. So there is a lot of corruption within the politics between Jim and the Guyanese officials, like an arranged affair between the ambassador and a temple member who had also been a lover of Daddy Jones. Like it's still a circle. It's a circle, it's a socle. So portions of the property they get developed for planting crops. Cottages were built for communal living. There was a dining hall, a school, a nursery, a radio room with communications equipment to stay in touch with the American chapters of the temple, because they didn't close them down completely.
Speaker 1:Really they keep the San Francisco going In the States. Instead of relocating, he tried to grow.
Speaker 5:Yes, basically.
Speaker 3:Well, he relocated his commune, but the services, like the church I'm doing air quotes the church services stayed in San Francisco.
Speaker 1:He kept the machine going.
Speaker 3:Yes, well, because he was depending on the people that didn't want to move To fund it. To fund it. Right, that's the machine of the money, yeah Right.
Speaker 1:And now they're moving to a third world country out in the field in the jungle, in the jungle, middle of nowhere. Yeah, and there's nothing but what they built.
Speaker 3:So they also they equip it with a pavilion for meetings and sermons. So, jonestown, it's ready, it's ready to go, okay.
Speaker 1:The town is ready, his theme park has been built.
Speaker 3:Yes, finally literally like I mean even our first saddest theme park you'll ever hear about in your life first episode.
Speaker 1:I said theme park yeah and here we are.
Speaker 3:It's not a theme park you ever want to visit we finally made it to wally it's a hard labor theme park, yeah what movie was that?
Speaker 1:where they're trying to make it to wally world national?
Speaker 8:lampoon yeah, yes, oh, they made it to wally world.
Speaker 1:National Lampoon, national Lampoon, yes, yes, oh, they made it to Wally World. Well, it's Jimmy World, it's Jim Jones World, it's Jonestown, jonestown, get down in Jonestown.
Speaker 3:So now some settlers, along with the pioneers, have been going little by little for a few years. Mr Muggs, the temple's chip mascot, had been among the early settlers of Jonestown. Now I'm not going to talk about him a lot, but if you want some real Mr Muggs what is the word that I'm looking for Content go listen to. So one of my favorites last podcast on the left. They have a five part on this series. So one of my favorites last podcast on the left they have a five part on this series and Henry's voice for Mr Muggs is one of the funniest things you'll ever hear. So I do encourage that because I always want to support the people who inspired me for sure. So Jim would tell his congregation that he had saved Mr Muggs from being a lab experiment, but he had just bought him from an exotic pet store, like it wasn't that serious. It wasn't that deep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he wasn't going to die to test our makeup products on you know. So in 1977, temple members are getting their passports by the hundreds. This does throw up some red flags, but not enough. Supplies and food shipments are sent out and some guns are being smuggled. Some settlers had to stay in Georgetown before going to Jonestown, while more cottages are being built and they would stay in Georgetown to adapt to the heat and the environment, because this shit is hot. Okay, we're just slightly above the equator there.
Speaker 1:Well, you're in the jungles of South America.
Speaker 3:It's hot. That is literally where it's at. Yeah, yeah, we went to Central America in March last year. Different kind of heat and holy fucking shit. Yeah, yeah yeah, I wore like almost a see-through top with some bike shorts and we were dying. Now we were on an air conditioned bus for our tour, but when we would get out to look at spots pure death. I better get in some water there was no water on that trip because we decided just to tour like their little yeah.
Speaker 1:But it was like there was a that was Central America, Not South Central.
Speaker 3:America. We're still above the equator there. Some people would stay in Georgetown permanently to be the eyes and ears for Jonestown. They would have their own little area called the LaMaha Gardens. That's where their PR representative stayed in Georgetown. They would have communication set up through ham radio. These they would have a communication set up through ham radio. So these settlers would have small businesses in Georgetown to continue to raise money for the agriculture mission in Jonestown as well as going door to door and asking for donations. Punishment for not collecting at least a hundred dollars a day was being sent to Jonestown for hard labor or contributing to the development. Jonestown pioneers were always in need of medical attention due to sunstroke, dehydration, infected bug bites and exhaustion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just the bugs alone, the bugs alone.
Speaker 3:Just the bugs.
Speaker 1:And that's not even half of what they're experimenting out there, you got full-on jungle spiders hundreds of people.
Speaker 3:Snakes, monkeys were their roosters like literally that's what they woke up to the sound of was monkeys screeching, which would kind of be cool if you choked. I don't know, we'll see, we'll get there, I don't know. So so jones found his missions doctor, which was Larry Schacht, and he had been a drug addict and a dropout but was rehabilitated by the temple's drug program. The temple had paid for his tuition at a Mexican medical school and then he was American certified in medicine. Larry Schacht was very indebted to daddy Jones and the whole temple, so he would do anything that was asked of him. So he took off to Jonestown fresh out of school. He's literally learned everything on the job, from sutures to childbirth and, most importantly, how to stay alive in the woods. And along with Schacht were several experienced nurses. And these nurses they would have more experience than Larry Like yeah it's.
Speaker 1:I don't think he's ready. No.
Speaker 3:Larry Schacht will be a very important name through the rest of this episode.
Speaker 1:Hundreds of people from California has just moved to a fucking jungle.
Speaker 3:Well, we're getting there, we're getting there. We're not there quite yet.
Speaker 1:We're almost there. Okay, they're getting ready. They're getting ready.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're getting ready, they've got their passports, they're selling their shit, they're getting ready to go because most of them can only go with like a satchel of stuff, you know Right. So there have been some investigations and newspaper articles revealing the temple secrets and by this time, by the time that everybody's getting ready to go, there was a huge expose and it was released to the public and around 1100 temple members, including Jim Jones and his children.
Speaker 3:They were in Guyana this expose comes out 1100 temple members gone, jim Jones children, they gone. Then this expose comes out, and this expose was written by the man who wrote Raven oh, which we'll talk about a little later on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's one of the books you were reading, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this expose, or so, Marceline, I have to say real quick, Marceline, she stayed behind to run the San Francisco Temple. That was her job and she did the whole PR. She did all the work for the remaining I think it was like 300 to 400 members in San Francisco, Everybody else go.
Speaker 1:And that's a big fucking difference between San Francisco and the jungle. It's like 6,000 miles Of South America, 6,000 miles go, and that's a big fucking difference between San Francisco and the jungle.
Speaker 3:It's like 6,000 miles. Of South America 6,000 miles, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 3:Now this expose was around six pages of stories of Jim's background and things that have been happening within the temple, and this was told by the defectors. The early settlers of Jonestown had been pretty happy there there was less than 100, and they were quite proud of their accomplishments. Then, mid-1977, there was quite an influx of occupancy and things started to feel a little cramped and there were some that were already wanting to leave Once they got there and they experienced that heat and then bugs, like one lady she just complained about trying to go to the bathroom and she's just like covered in flies and shit. You're in the job, abominable. And everything was in thirds. So there was like a third elderly, a third young children, a third teenagers and a third adults. So everything's in thirds. And they were promised paradise and this was just a jungle camp.
Speaker 1:Like honestly, it's not fucking paradise.
Speaker 3:No, and when Jim arrived, everything went from high spirits and singing kumbaya to constant worry and fear. This was supposed to be a 10-year project. It was to take five years to heal a high number of crops. But here we are. We had, we had to get out. We got too much media attention on us, we got stories, we got exposés, like it's all crashing and we're trying to fly under the radar.
Speaker 3:They ran, honestly, the early pioneers. They had learned from the Ameridians on how to make the soil lush and everything. They were burning and they were cultivating and all that. Then everybody just showed up. So they're making do with what they've got.
Speaker 1:It's not a lot. What did they really know about Diana?
Speaker 3:What did they really know about? Trying to Well the early pioneers, which was only 50 people out of 1100, they learned from the Ameridians. But then when everybody shows up, you've got to feed them, you've got to. You know you've got to do all the things.
Speaker 1:We're in panic mode.
Speaker 3:Literally, we're in panic hideaway. We're in panic mode. Literally, we're in panic hideaway. All romantic relationships had to be approved, as well as breakups. All incoming mail was censored and all outgoing mail was read before sent out and if anything was not appropriate it was thrown out or returned to the writer with notes on how to make it sound more upbeat. Yeah, control, control. So lots of drugs were sent in for Jen's personal use and for the Jonestown extensive care unit he had to keep his laser eyes going he had to keep his laser eyes.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, the dark glasses have entered the chat. He's fucked up all the time, yep. So there, the dark glasses have entered the chat. He's fucked up all the time, yep. So there was no privacy, and if you couldn't shit in front of another temple member, you were just bougie. Okay, what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you gotta be able to huckle buck right away. You gotta shower.
Speaker 3:It's communal showers. It's communal shits. It's communal sleeping, all of it.
Speaker 1:And all the sex is regulated Pretty much. Everything is just controlled.
Speaker 3:Controlled. I mean they're out in the jungle, yeah. And.
Speaker 3:I mean okay. So let me put it in perspective. So you got to go to Georgetown and charter a plane from there to get to Jonestown and then drive in either a tractor or a truck that is equipped to go through heavy, sticky mud, Dense forest, yeah, dense jungle, to get to Jonestown. Or you can go through Port Katuma and pretty much do the same thing, so you can go through the port. Or you can go through Georgetown and pretty much do the same thing, so you can go through the port or you can go through Georgetown. But either way you got to get to Jonestown through an equipped vehicle for sticky, nasty mud that is equipped to survive the jungle From.
Speaker 1:California.
Speaker 3:All the four-wheel drives From California.
Speaker 1:Yes, Holy shit.
Speaker 3:So outhouses were where you went and toilet paper was rare. There was scrap paper, newspaper and bible pages to wipe your arsehole yeah, arson or arson. And then, if that all ran out, there was leaves like he would order an influx of Gideon Bibles. Fuck yeah, like Gideon Bibles were what you were wiping your ass with oh man.
Speaker 1:They just went from like the boom of, like love, free. Everything's just amazing.
Speaker 3:But they were used to communal living, but not jungle communal living, yeah.
Speaker 1:But they still had contact with it, they knew about it, they were part of it.
Speaker 3:You know they were you had two minutes to shower, and that included the guys that were out working in the fields all day. You had two minutes to shower, and you better keep your mouth closed by doing so, because that was not.
Speaker 1:It was not regulated, just still water Right.
Speaker 3:Most cottages were holding 14 people, with like bunk beds, like stacked on top of each other, like they built these with a plan in mind to have all these people stacked on top of each other. Very minimal, very communal, except for Jim Jones, of course, who had private quarters with a bathroom and his own personal generator. Oh yeah, daddy. Daddy's got the biz Now, before they were calling him father, we get to Guyana, they're calling him dad. Ooh, yeah.
Speaker 1:He went from father to daddy To dad Ooh.
Speaker 3:Daddy, yeah, daddy Jones, big Daddy Jones. Now his quarters were connected to the radio room where he was at a lot Like he was always there, and his drug use became more frequent. So he used ham radio and would use code words to communicate with states, resulting in getting fines for misuse, but would somehow avoid any prosecution. Guns were constantly smuggled. Now, as Jim Jones was in constant fear of being attacked or was paranoid because of his drug use yeah, especially, I mean the amphetamines. You know, I did the whole. You know what was it called? Fuck, I can't think of the name right now. I did a whole diet plan back in the day, not ephedrine, it was a different one, adipex. Oh, okay, and it does. It heightens your anxiety, it heightens your paranoia, like it's a mess. So if he's taking multiple like, like we talked about in the Johnny Cash episode, if he's taken multiple of these a day, it's bad, it's really bad. Right, he's not sleeping Because one a day is. He's just in fear constantly.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the reason why they moved down there to begin with. Right, right. And then he's on top of, he's yayed up on some crazy shit.
Speaker 3:He's just wee, you know, and he's just wee and when you arrive in Jonestown, the guards. They went through all of your shit, all of your belongings and your passport confiscated.
Speaker 1:And every bit of this.
Speaker 5:So you can't leave, so it's even more control.
Speaker 3:It's in Joan's room in a filing cabinet.
Speaker 1:Well, every bit of this is under a charismatic communist control, Correct? I mean, he is pushing this shit as hard as he can, looking right at you and telling you you have to be this way.
Speaker 3:He's got them tight-fisted. Now he's squeezed.
Speaker 1:If you're not this way, you're going to hell. And if you don't do this and you don't do that, and you don't do it my way, because I'm God himself you're going to hell right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you got it, you got it. Meals they were two times a day, with no meat, no protein. Okay, rice was the major meal, with a little bit of gravy, with a little bit of meat remnants in it. Like I really don't know. I've listened, like I said, I've listened to two different books. They really don't know if it was. You know, they had like a piggery and they had chickens, but they couldn't keep the chickens alive long enough to produce eggs, much less slaughter them to have a whole chicken dinner, because a chicken dinner for the whole commune would cost like $2,000 a day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, it's just survival. That's what they're doing.
Speaker 3:Basically yeah.
Speaker 5:They're doing what they have to do to survive.
Speaker 3:Any kind of meat from the piggery was for special occasions only, and the only beverages were water and flavor aid. Oh so now, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to talk about the flavor aid that Jesse has ordered in episode three. I said that I was going to talk about the flavor aid that Jesse has ordered In episode three. I said that I was going to talk about.
Speaker 1:Why do I got chills right now? Okay, I'm breaking it out.
Speaker 3:So what you can unbox.
Speaker 1:Boom.
Speaker 3:We've got the flavor aid and I'm going to make a cocktail here in a few minutes on our next break. I've already said what I was going to do. I'm going to do some Tropical Punch vodka with the Jamaica flavored flavor aid.
Speaker 1:So here's what I think. Lindsay Jim Jones, flavor aid was a knockoff of Kool-Aid. If anybody is questioning that. Here's what I'm thinking, miss Stambaugh Jones, over here, you should make it a communal flavor aid and we should all partake in the name of.
Speaker 3:In the name of Jim Jones. Daddy no, in the name of Daddy Jones. In the name of drink about something.
Speaker 1:Okay, Okay heard we should do the communal flavor aid drink. You're going to make a little something for all four of us.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm going to make us a cocktail, but I'm going to read a little bit more before we get there.
Speaker 1:Flavor Aid is here and I brought it out.
Speaker 3:Flavor Aid has entered the chat. I got the shirt on.
Speaker 1:He does, by the way, jesse's got.
Speaker 3:Hold on, let me read the whole thing. Move your beard. Move your beard. I can't, it's too big. Okay so his shirt says Flavor Aid Pre-sweetened soft drink mix. Add water, and it's got a picture of Jim. So it had vitamin C, probably some riboflavin. That's probably the only vitamins that these poor temple dwellers were receiving. Oh, the fucking Kool-Aid is out. It's Flavor Aid, sir.
Speaker 1:The Wish version of Kool-Aid is out. We're going to put Kool-Aid in the garbage.
Speaker 3:We can't afford Kool-Aid. We've got Flavor Aid. We can't afford chickens. We can't afford Kool-Aid. We've got Flavor-Aid. We can't afford chickens. And once a week, each follower was rewarded with one single ass cookie. One, one cookie, one cookie. All for the cookie. Now the cost for all.
Speaker 5:I had to. I'm sorry. Stick it up your ass. I love it. Stick it up your ass.
Speaker 3:So what? Okay, hold on, I'll pass the cookie, okay. So the cost for all these very basic needs was around $600,000 a month.
Speaker 1:Didn't know. They did not fucking know. And I was telling you, lizzie, they weren't ready.
Speaker 3:Because it was supposed to be a 10-year project. If Jim Jones had just kept his dick in his pants, they could have made this happen, because originally Jim Jones was a great humanitarian and was out to help his followers. He was out for the cause, he was trying to help the poor. But here we are. He couldn't keep his dick in his pants, he couldn't keep his dick.
Speaker 1:He couldn't keep his dick in a box.
Speaker 3:He couldn't keep his dick in a box. He couldn't keep his dick in a box, yeah.
Speaker 5:So here we are.
Speaker 3:We're in Guyana, we're starving.
Speaker 1:This is what's happening. Yeah, they're surviving, barely, barely.
Speaker 3:So Marceline, back in San Francisco she told Jim of the growing popularity of the expose on the temple and how he should change his disciplinary actions on subordinate behavior or insubordinate behavior, excuse me. So at first he would just put more work on the person that was in trouble. No other members were allowed to acknowledge them, they were in kind of like solitary yeah. Then he went the whole opposite direction and started digging holes and he would put people in boxes in the holes. What, yes, lindsay, swear to God. It's in both books. It's in both books.
Speaker 1:I gotta put my seatbelt on, dude, this is gonna Lindsay yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like we're going into a downward spiral. Just strapping. Hold on Barely getting by. Then nightly meetings were required in the pavilion, where Jim would just go on and on and on into the night Like shut the fuck up, let these people sleep so they can go to work.
Speaker 1:My God, okay, they couldn't even do their job to support the community because he was.
Speaker 5:No, because they were exhausted from being up all night.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But he would never shut up. Okay, he was on that intercom day and night, Like there was wireless loudspeakers.
Speaker 1:Oh, so it played through the whole con room.
Speaker 3:Yes, his voice, jim Jones, daddy Jones, and when he would be tired he would play some music. Like he would play some of the good shit, the things that were popular, but most of the time it was just mostly Jim, and he would even put on recordings of his previous rants if he couldn't talk that day because of drug use.
Speaker 1:He recorded everything.
Speaker 3:He started to get and when I play some of the recordings later I want y'all to know that trigger warning to the recordings we play later on in advance. But Henry Zabrowski from Last Podcast on the Left says that he starts to sound like that Droopy Dog cartoon and I cannot unhear it. That is what he sounds like 100 you know, droopy dog. Yeah, yeah, okay, so he in the books it says that most of his speech was slurred and it describes that as he was talking like with peanut butter in his mouth lethargic, very lethargic it's.
Speaker 3:It gets bad, it gets bad. So there were a few people who would start to leave. Some people would ask permission and they were told okay, you got to pay your own way and never speak ill of the church. And then one woman said that jones told her that she left the church, not just Jonestown, that she would lose his protection and would be stabbed in the back, what? And was made to sign a document saying that she had committed murder which would be turned into the police upon her betrayal.
Speaker 1:So he's sabotaging anybody that's trying leave jones town. Yeah, he's sabotaging. She's trying to just leave jones town, not the whole church, and he's saying, if you leave, I got you you, I got you yeah, yeah he ain't fucking with mine and I bet he always looked good as fuck down there surviving in the fucking jungle barely oh yeah on rice and and half a chicken for 100 people.
Speaker 3:Now, quite a few defectors would just take their chances in going into the jungle to get to Port Kytuma, which was the gateway village for Jonestown. Now, ladies and gentlemen, flavor Aid has entered the chat. I have made a cocktail, do?
Speaker 1:you know how fucking scared we are right now, Lindsay.
Speaker 3:I mean honestly, I have shown everyone the ingredients. I used Tropical Punch, Vodka, Jamaica where's the box? Jamaica Flavored Flavor Aid and some soda water. And I have put four straws because we gotta do this communist style. Alright, I'm gonna take the first sip just to prove to you guys there's no poison, and I have put four straws because we've got to do this communist style. All right, I'm going to take the first sip just to prove to you guys there's no poison in here, okay.
Speaker 1:You've got to be more charismatic. You've got to be like drink the Gatorade, Drink the Arnaud's.
Speaker 3:Flavorade, flavorade. Drink it right now, hurry, hurry. Oh my God, I'm not going to say it, it's actually really good?
Speaker 1:Is it good? No, fucking shit. Is it good? It's actually kind of strong though, yeah it is, but it's good. So all four of us are drinking the fucking Camino style. That's your straw right there. What if I drink it out of his Hang on? But doesn't that color look wild. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So the Jamaica flavorade is blood red. Just wanted to say that.
Speaker 1:Ooh, it's strong, I know, and I didn't drink Jameson and Jack.
Speaker 3:Daniels over here. Well then, leave that for the rest of us. That's for y'all.
Speaker 1:I'm going to pour me another. I've loved some ladies and I have loved Jim Beam. Oh, my. God.
Speaker 2:Over here. Some ladies and I have loved jim bean, oh my god. And they both tried to kill me back in 1973.
Speaker 3:Totally the 70s right here.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right four horsemen for me and then now back to the story.
Speaker 3:we're back. Family members were told to report on each other for any suspicious behavior, and even the children were conditioned to do the same. Even the kids, kids.
Speaker 1:We're keeping all eyes on our prize.
Speaker 3:Now back in the States, the New West article, the one that I talked about earlier. It was gaining popularity, one that I talked about earlier. It was gaining popularity and other newspapers had joined in reporting on the people's temple defectors and they were talking and telling and family members uh followers were. They started to join forces. They uh created the concerned relatives coalition.
Speaker 1:So everybody's worrying about everybody that's down there and they're like yeah, they're 6,000 miles away now this is not fucking right.
Speaker 5:And any mail or anything that's coming in, it's all being censored, all being censored.
Speaker 3:And most mail wasn't getting to them.
Speaker 1:The red flags yeah Right For sure.
Speaker 3:So the relatives still in the States were getting letters with almost rehearsed statements and when they were compared, many of the young daughters were saying that they were engaged to Dr Larry Schacht. Like all of them, all of them, all the young girls.
Speaker 1:They're engaged.
Speaker 3:They're engaged because every mother wants their daughter to be a doctor. A doctor? Yeah, I mean. I don't give a fuck. But I don't have daughters either. So Tim and Grace Stone are constantly filing for Jim to appear in court about their son, john Victor, and Jim was ordered to produce the child by October 1977. Then a lawsuit For stolen property Was filed by a former couple Named Deanna and Elmer Myrtle, who had changed their names, because of fear of the temple, to Jeannie and Al Mills. He had them. He had them completely brainwashed.
Speaker 1:It was terrible. So, jeannie and Al Mills, he had them. He had them completely brainwashed. It was terrible.
Speaker 3:So Jeannie and Al had left because their daughter had been severely beaten during one of Joan's punishments in the temple in 1974.
Speaker 5:That was back still in the States at that point Right, that was still in Ukiah.
Speaker 1:He was ranking them out and pulling them in the middle of the congregation.
Speaker 3:That's when the drug use was starting. He had these people by then. We're like when he gets to Ukiah, we're 27 years in the making of this empire. Yeah, oh yeah, I'm sorry when we get to Guyana.
Speaker 1:So he's a full-ass Sith Lord by the time.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. By the time he moved down there, he's in.
Speaker 1:Death Star mode.
Speaker 3:Death Star. Oh fuck Now, jim. He had previously accused Tim Stone, his former right-hand man, brilliant lawyer. He had accused him of being a CAI agent. Is it CIA, cia? Okay, thank you, because I completely wrote that wrong. It's cool, I like that. It's cute, it's cool, I like that it's cute.
Speaker 1:When all this news CAI All day, yes, cai.
Speaker 3:So when all this news of all these people in the states against Jim Jones made it to Jonestown, the first of many white knights would happen. Alert, alert, alert. Everyone, get your ass to the pavilion now. So, while people are yeah, that's how it would go down.
Speaker 1:That's how it would go down.
Speaker 3:Now they don't talk about that in Road to Jonestown, but in Raven they do. So while the people are gathering, jim has Stephen and Jim Jr go into the woods and tells them to just start shooting in his direction. And Stephen, he does this. And Jim, jim Jones, jim Sr. He forgets to tell his armed guards, now known as the Red Brigade, that he was taking an assassination attempt, and one of the guards just starts shooting back, like Stephen Jones could have been killed in this. And this is all fake. This is all fake. So now all the people are gathered and he tells them that they are under siege. The CIA and the FBI they're coming and this fake siege would last for six days. They are under siege, the CIA and the FBI they're coming, and this fake siege would last for six days.
Speaker 1:Six days, really.
Speaker 3:Keeping his followers in full panic mode for six days straight. See, jim, he had tried to get in touch with Prime Minister Reid in Guyana Well, georgetown, excuse me, but couldn't and he was told Reid's in the States. What? So in Jim's paranoid mind, he thinks that Reed has joined forces now with all of his defectors and all of his enemies and Tim and Graystone back in the States, right? So he's like, oh shit, we got to escape somehow, her and the, the, the san francisco members, like two or three of them. They go out into america and they find reed, who ironically happens to be in indiana oh, where it all started a fucking minute, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1:So what more of a realization do you have other than like this is the full trigger, like you've got to wake up, dude, you can't be this deep in. But I feel like they can't get out yeah. They know already, they know it's just stuck. Oh my God.
Speaker 3:While Marceline's out doing this with the other San Francisco PR you know, temple handlers Jim's got people walking through the damn jungle telling them that they are now they're going to go get on a boat and go to Cuba.
Speaker 5:So they're going to flee? He's telling them they're going to flee. Yeah, they got to flee Jonestown.
Speaker 3:They got to go to Cuba. Then one elderly lady falls and breaks her hip and Jim's like never mind.
Speaker 1:We got gotta go back. So I mean we're literally right now and I'm clouded up right now, I know we're literally right now thinking of hundreds of people just starving, oppressed.
Speaker 3:Almost a thousand.
Speaker 5:What.
Speaker 1:Almost a thousand Lindsay, yeah it was originally 1100.
Speaker 3:Yes but some have left Right. What the fuck? Originally 1,100. Yes, but some have left Right. Yeah, what the fuck. Some are still in Georgetown. There was probably at least 100 members still in Georgetown.
Speaker 1:I'm picturing all this. I'm picturing it right now in my mind. It's just like this is fucking horrible. And this is all fake, but what do you do? What do you do? Like, okay, you fed into all this and you've moved your ass down there, because you're following a prophet, right, right, you're following a fucking full-on prophet You're following a full-on prophet. You believe in this religion so deeply, so deep, and you've seen him create quotations, miracles, right, and you believe in this, you fucking wholeheartedly believe. I think it's the fucking flavor aid.
Speaker 1:that's kicking in right now and I got to have a rant.
Speaker 3:I know I got to have a goddamn rant. That one little sip just hit me hard boy.
Speaker 1:You believe in this and you've put your whole livelihood, gave up your whole existence to go down to a jungle To the cots.
Speaker 3:It's all for the cots, and here you are.
Speaker 1:And you Distance to go down to a jungle, to the cause, it's all for the cause. Here you are and you're barely getting by and you know the gears are missing.
Speaker 3:Everything is not. There's so many gears missing.
Speaker 1:Holy shit. Well, after Marceline, yeah, I'm taking a sip on my own accord. Four horsemen Fuck off.
Speaker 3:So when Marceline finds Reed in Indiana, she gets Reed to get on the radio and talk to Jim and says, hey, there's nothing to worry about the fuck, right? And then Jim's like okay, guys, it's over, the siege is over, like that. Like that, like six days of worry and fret taken off into the jungle. Probably somebody got bit by a snake, I don't really know, but it can happen. But before he had spoken with Reed he had already told Marceline that everyone was ready to die in a revolutionary suicide.
Speaker 1:He's fucking conditioning them. It's starting Absolutely.
Speaker 5:It's starting.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. It's starting their mortality. Yeah. So now guards, they're on higher alert. More white nights were to follow, like it. It became like a weekly thing because, even though at the moment things were calm, the risk of Jim having to surrender little John Victor and the other Temple kids was real. That was real. There's custody battles, papers are getting filed, documents are happening. Jim at this point thinks that if he goes into Georgetown he's going to get arrested. Right, yeah, there's so much.
Speaker 1:Anywhere civilized. Yeah, he's in the middle of the fucking jungle getting by.
Speaker 3:Now before the Six Day Siege air quotations. It was all fake. That was all Jim Jones paranoid.
Speaker 1:Right, we made this bullshit.
Speaker 3:The native Ameridians had been invited to join the temple on Sundays for movie days in the pavilion and snacks, and medical care was provided for them as well as the temple members. But Jim said that couldn't happen anymore. Enemies could sneak in with friends. Okay, and this really sucked for the settlers, because when they would have visitors, meat was cooked and there was way more than just a rice and gravy. Yeah, it was all a show.
Speaker 1:Everything was a show Rides Flash Mountain. It was great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now back in the States the conserved relatives are writing letters to congressmen begging for officials to intervene because their loved ones were either being held against their will, brainwashed or both. So these complaints were sent to Georgetown to investigate and upon investigation everyone said that they were fine and they didn't want to leave. And if they did want to they could.
Speaker 1:It's all a show? I don't think so.
Speaker 3:So then there was a press conference stating that if investigations were continued, the Guyanese government was at risk for harassment lawsuits. Yeah, but this did not quiet the concerned relatives, the defectors Tim Stone or Graystone. They stepped up their game. Tim was probably the only person that Jim was truly afraid of, as he knew that what a brilliant lawyer he was. He was, I mean, he worked a book Top tier.
Speaker 3:Yes, so Jim gets his entire congregation, including San Francisco, to write harmful affidavits about Stoen, and he would even have them write essays on how they would kill him. Yeah, this is what you get to do in your spare time. In between laboring in the fields, you get to write an essay on how you're going to kill Tim Stoen.
Speaker 1:You got to know you're coordinating oppression and you're doing so many unhumane things to people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so this is how petty Jim was. He even had gay porn magazines ordered in Tim Stoen's name as a form of harassment. Yeah, jim even resulted in bribery and Tim refused. It was like 10 grand was on the table. If you shut the fuck up, you can have your kid back. But Tim was like no, I want my kid back legally, without any of your bullshit, any of your Jim Jones crazy bullshit.
Speaker 1:There's a point of manipulation where you can't fucking manipulate anymore, right.
Speaker 3:Exactly Now, steve Katsaris was attempting to get his daughter, maria Katsaris, out of Jonestown, but unfortunately she had become Jim's lover along with Carolyn Layton. She was number two.
Speaker 1:No, she was number 522.
Speaker 3:As far as main ones go. So Marceline, she's top, she's mother. Carolyn Layton is number one lover, and then Maria Katston is number one lover, and then Maria Katsaris is number two lover Because he wasn't doing anything sexual with Marceline at this point.
Speaker 1:Okay, and the 400 other ones that were in the fuck book, right, right.
Speaker 3:But they were. Those were just off to the side. They were top tier, so definitely look back on our previous episode. Yes, watch all these. Please go back. Yes, please go back All these If you don't know where we're at right now, please go back.
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't know where we're at.
Speaker 3:Now she did end up meeting up with her father, along with Carolyn Layton and two other temple members, at the embassy, and unfortunately Maria was standoffish. But she assured her father that she was fine and she said she didn't want to leave. And he was like you know what? Okay, I love you and I'm going to leave you a ticket here at the Georgetown embassy, just in case you change your mind. Then, when she left, Steve learned that Maria had accused him of molesting her as a child prompted by Jim Jones, of course and he had also said the same things about Greystone and Little John John.
Speaker 1:None true. Wasn't that the topic, the big discussion that they completely had communally all the time, all the time?
Speaker 3:All the time.
Speaker 1:That was a big subject, big subject. He was disgusting the drama and all the sexual incantations of just people always tying into all this sex, sex, sex. And it was just him controlling. And if it wasn't working out for him, he was like fuck you, I'm going to change your whole life, I'll kill you off.
Speaker 3:After these allegations, Steve threatened a lawsuit, and also those records that had previously disappeared of Jim's lewd activity in MacArthur Park they resurfaced.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the jackknife.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they resurfaced. So then, after this, like I said, it's just going to keep going downhill guys. Keep up, Stay with me. Yeah, it's just going to keep going downhill guys.
Speaker 5:Keep up, stay with me. Yeah, it's a lot. I just can't.
Speaker 4:I have a picture of Jim just running after you Freaking flickety-flackety, flickety-flackety dude.
Speaker 3:He was preventing prostate cancer sir.
Speaker 1:Okay, but by now it's unswole. It's unswole, you're good.
Speaker 3:So then the Jonestown schooling came into question. Because they did not meet the Guyanese standards and, not wanting any trouble with the Capitol, jones agreed to restructure their curriculum, which was supposed to include like Guyanese history and shit like that. So now Marceline, she was summoned to live in Jonestown. She had been living in San Francisco running all that shit over there. Jim's like nah, you gotta come down here, I need some help, help me out. But her living quarters would be separate than those of Jim and his mistresses. Like I need your help, but you gotta live over here.
Speaker 1:You're not part of the harem.
Speaker 5:You're not part of the harem like that Was that on his accord, or on hers?
Speaker 3:That was his, all his oh yeah he didn't want her because she still worshipped him Sorrowfully, but she continued to serve as a buffer between Jim and the US and she was still mother of the temple followers. That was mother, Like they were now well aware of his lovers. But Marceline was mother and she would keep Dr Schacht more organized because she was a well-experienced nurse. She was like 30 years in at this point, 30 to 40 years in in the game nursing game. At this point she would also sneak a bank book because they weren't supposed to have bank accounts. So this was like Ooh. So she snuck a bank book to Steven saying here, this is yours, this is in your name and keep it. Keep it quiet, but you better. Jim did find out about this, but there were no repercussions of this. Yeah, Now Steven would talk Jim into letting some of the older teens form a basketball team to compete in other areas of Guyana, mostly in Georgetown. See, I told you it was a basketball team.
Speaker 1:That he was fucking doing in our first episode.
Speaker 3:The first episode, jim organized a baseball team. Steven was all about the basketball. Oh, because you remember Jim Jr, he was black, he had the basketball game down.
Speaker 1:So we're getting the fucking band back together again.
Speaker 3:We're getting the band back together. We're getting the fucking band back together. And then there was another Tim, who Jones had brought under his wing as a Jones. There was more adoption, there was quite a few, but so Steven Jim Jr and then Tim Jones. They're the boys that are on the basketball team. Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, All-star team yeah they were all-star team.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you know, all of these kids are pretty much grown at this point, excluding little John, john and chemo, who had been Carolyn Layton's son, who was supposedly a product of rape, but it was actually Jim Jones' child, yeah.
Speaker 1:Part of his deck.
Speaker 3:It was part of his deck. Yes, yeah Two. Two teen boys had tried to escape through the jungle to Venezuela, but they were caught and placed in leg irons for several weeks. Now these people are living off goddamn rice and gravy with specks of meat in it, but they can afford leg irons.
Speaker 1:Well, they you know, make it, make sense. It's your concentration camp.
Speaker 3:You gotta have that right yeah, we can have leg irons, but we can't have any pork, we can't have any chickens so on top of all that, you have a fucking radio playing through the compound constantly you can find quite a bit of his rants and catharsis on YouTube. Which we played some last week. We did play some last week of the catharsis session. I can picture it.
Speaker 1:But fucking hell. You've built me up to this, lindsay. You've built me up to this, and now I'm picturing this whole ass fucking thing. And now he's got a fucking basketball team in the middle of it where they're not. Jim, this was all steven's project, yeah, but I mean, this was steven was done with his father.
Speaker 3:He had clocked out, but he hadn't. He couldn't technically clock out. So he's like this is a way for me to get me and these boys out of here, out of Jonestown, for a while.
Speaker 1:Right, you gotta show a little bit of this little part of mine yeah. I'm gonna let it shine.
Speaker 3:Fuck. On December 9th 1977, lynetta remember Lynetta? Yeah, jim's mama. Yeah, she died of natural causes in Jonestown. I mean, she was in poor health, she had chain smoked all of her life and she was buried. They had like their own little private cemetery there. They had the whole shebang. Okay, they got a cemetery and everything. Now in the States, bob Houston and Chris Lewis, who had left the church. Remember Chris Lewis? I talked about him in episode three. He had become one of the armed guards. He had been on murder trial. He's part of the Red Army now he was. Nope, he's not anymore. Oh, they left the church and they were now dead. What they were dead. They were gunned down, both of them by mysterious causes.
Speaker 1:How does he control this? And let me take a sip of this fucking flavor aid you got here.
Speaker 3:I was going to say Jason's enjoying it. He's like let me hit this up. He's like I have no fear of dying around these people.
Speaker 1:I've been scared, but I ain't dead yet. We're not dead yet. Lindsay Jones Stambaugh over here.
Speaker 3:So they were dead and the blame was on Jim Jones, and around this same time, that's getting better.
Speaker 1:I agree it is.
Speaker 3:It gets better by the sip Congressman Leo Ryan. Remember that till the end, leo. He started getting involved in the Jonestown allegations. Okay, so Jim is now looking for alliance with the Soviet Union, of course, in the 70s.
Speaker 1:Of course, but that was what he used honestly to start all this shit. He used literally fucking that Jim goddamn Jones in the Jesus name of fucking Jesusness, just Jesus, jim, jim, jesus Jones, jesus fucking whatever. Dude, I'm fixing a rant, dude, I'm fixing it. No, I'm going to pump the clutch.
Speaker 3:All right, yeah, you got to pump the clutch, because he is telling his followers that Russia is now the new escape plan. If the government came for the children.
Speaker 1:You're fucking me up, dude, my seatbelt's not this tight reinstall the seatbelt, clutch it, clatchet it, ratchet it, whatever.
Speaker 3:So now, along with hard labor and having to hear jim jones's mouth through the loudspeaker all day, every day, they also have to learn Russian language. Oh my gosh yeah. Could you imagine Mother Russia? And in secret Jones he was planning with Dr Schacht on how the temple could successfully commit revolutionary suicide.
Speaker 1:I've got to go some fucking chuckles first, Lindsay, before you start doing that.
Speaker 3:All right, I'm circling where I'm at. You go ahead, boo.
Speaker 1:No, I've got to go. A couple of fucking chuckles, do the chuckles before you drop the god damn Hiroshima on Jesse. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Hiroshima, nagasaki. They're coming right here. I can't even talk because I've had this fucking flavor aid. I don't know what's happening here. We're all dead. We're all dead.
Speaker 1:How the hell do you use that against everybody? Build up what did you say? A 25 year old regime 27.
Speaker 3:27 year old regime of your fucking and he's lost I mean honestly, he's lost control.
Speaker 1:He was lost before he met the fucking guy drugs took over.
Speaker 3:He's lost his whole empire, but he's trying to keep it together she knows she knows, we've been talking about this for years
Speaker 6:peeking out the blinds as they're breaking off, peeking out the next one, looking at everything outside and all the methamphetamines and what the fuck ever he's taken.
Speaker 1:Amphetamines, amphetamines, amphetamines, barbiturates, tranquilizers he's on tranquilizers too, he's got his glasses on because he can burn us, the whole glasses he can burn us.
Speaker 3:The glasses are part of the whole ent.
Speaker 1:He wore his sunglasses at night, day, everything to the bathroom, all of it, yeah, okay, so ha ha, chuckle, chuckle for a second right.
Speaker 3:I mean, come on but I gotta keep plugging though, okay. So white knights have now become more frequent, jim shouting alert, alert, alert through the loudspeakers and would talk about the latest news against the temple, and he would start rehearsing with the followers in his so-called I'm doing air quotes reporter voice on how they should respond to allegations against them when investigators would come.
Speaker 1:I'm going red label over here.
Speaker 3:Hold on, let me get into February.
Speaker 1:Keep on going.
Speaker 3:Let me get into February 1978. All right, okay. So February 1978, he added something new to the fear. He tells his followers that Guyanese soldiers were now ready to march on Jonestown. They were posted at Port Kaituma and escaping to Russia was not an option yet and they were not prepared.
Speaker 1:So he would go back and forth.
Speaker 3:He would go back and forth from the radio room with more reports. The armed forces, they're on their way, they're ready to attack, they're ready to kill everyone in Jonestown. But we don't want to go out like that, do we? So are we going to take our own lives the way we want to? So Dr Schacht came out with vats of dark liquid and everyone was to line up and take a drink. And just as he had done this with the planning commission, Why'd?
Speaker 1:you kick me.
Speaker 3:And he told them in 45 minutes you're going to be dead. You kicked me under the table. The ones who would object were forced by the armed guards to drink first. That's why you kicked me and most did exactly what Daddy Jones asked. And when the 45 minutes was up, he said well, you have all passed the test of loyalty and now you can relax the rest of the day.
Speaker 3:He's got them set up, but but right after this, one pound of sodium cyanide was ordered, and this was an 1800 lethal dose pound, and it was purchased by Larry Schacht for $8.85.
Speaker 1:$8.85. $8.85. It is the worst fucking number I've ever heard in my life. Yep, lindsay, you're kicking me under the table right now.
Speaker 3:Well, I told you this was going to be.
Speaker 1:I've been telling you, you know you know Johnny Walker red label over here, so I'm like a little fucking intoxicated right now.
Speaker 3:Lindsay, yes, you are, I am too, but I'm going to keep going because I've got a lot. I was supposed to be.
Speaker 1:I was supposed to be. You told me to be like this. I did I was supposed to be. I was supposed to be.
Speaker 3:You told me to be like this.
Speaker 1:I did and I'm like this, so you still got to get through two more, so maybe this isn't the worst foursome we've ever had.
Speaker 3:Which is good, because we've got a lot more to go, folks, okay Okay, keep strapped in, keep strapped in.
Speaker 1:I'm going to turn this way and go this way. Keep going. Go back and check out all the other ones. We've done too Shit. Keep going, lindsay, just do your thing.
Speaker 3:So the next day Jim has the congregation write essays on what if this was the last white knight he had them write essays. Write essays about it.
Speaker 1:He's planning on that being the terminology for the end. Oh, he's conditioning and conditioning he's practicing. He's planning on that being the terminology for the end.
Speaker 3:Oh, he's conditioning and conditioning, he's practicing, he's getting ready. He's getting ready. Now in the States, Tim Grace and the Concerned Relatives Coalition they're still fighting. Jim Jones had a reporter come from the Soviet Union to explore a facade of Jonestown life, with the delusions that this would help them be able to escape there. Like he's already, he's telling his congregation we're going to go to the Soviet Union, we're going to go, we're going to be ready, we're going to, we're going to. It's going to be cold, it's going to be rough, but that's where we're going to go. We're going to mother Russia. He's got the Soviet embassy which is there's a part of that in Guyana or in Georgetown. He's got, he's doing, he's pulling all the channels. He's getting them ready.
Speaker 1:So socialism has turned into communism Right.
Speaker 3:They're a complete communist now. Yeah, so he had people from his inner circle seek out other possible places to escape to and, marceline, she would meet with all kinds of officials in russia, cuba and north korea socialist.
Speaker 1:We're not trying to put politics into this at all.
Speaker 3:We're not no, I skipped past a lot of the politics that are involved in this, because I will plug all of the sources that you can listen to. That will literally explain in detail all the players, all the political players in this machine. Jim would send out letters to other socialist nations and also sent a letter to Jimmy Carter, who was president at the time.
Speaker 3:Now he had already made buds with Rosalind Carter, but he was explaining how he had sired John John, john Victor, the whole start of this downward spiral at the request of Tim Stone, and why he should be able to keep him. And the more time went on, jim would start laying up for days, days at a time, due to downers. I mean, he was in full-blown mess of an addict and he was only lucid when he was taking amphetamines. That's the only time he was lucid at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And that's when his rants on the radio, because I don't know if you guys have had any experience with uppers I do. They do make you just blabber, just constant blabber, and then your mouth gets dry. So you start to it's just, it's a mess. And he's got his own little private stash of cognac in there too, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Uppers and downs. Ups of cognac in there too. Oh yeah, ups and downs, ups and downs. So when he has to maintain a persona of all this and make people still stay on it.
Speaker 3:Oh, he don't give a fuck at this point kilter no, I mean he's got he, yes, he. He's got all of his pc and his. He's got some more of this. He's got additional lawyers. He's drinking more of the poison he's got more lawyers at his side. Now that Tim Stone has left, he's got more lawyers that are all about the cause, all about Jim Jones. I mean the impact that this man had on people.
Speaker 1:it blows my mind, I think I drank out of the wrong straw.
Speaker 3:No, you're right.
Speaker 1:I'm right Okay.
Speaker 3:And, along with his personal collection of cognac and all that, he's got a full fridge of sodas, he's got a pantry full of snacks and all of his followers are almost on the verge of starving and he's getting fatter.
Speaker 1:He's living his fucking lavish life.
Speaker 3:He's getting fatter, he's living his fucking he's getting some of that yeah now he started constantly he started constantly complaining about aches and pains, and I guess his little healing powers didn't work on himself well they didn't have enough chicken guts.
Speaker 3:There wasn't enough chickens to eat and when another follower was diagnosed with cancer, he couldn't heal her either, so they just made her comfortable until she literally just passed away. Yeah, the followers are starting to see who he really is, which is a pathetic old drug addict, and his divinity appeal had started to wear off. He's on this microphone. He is barking at people and mumbling and drug-induced stupors over the loudspeakers from his bed and the followers. They just learned how to turn off the speakers. At least they did that.
Speaker 1:Keep the ones close going that way, he thought he was projecting and broadcasting through the fucking communist commune. Yeah, the communist commune.
Speaker 3:Now, most would just think that he was projecting broadcasting through the fucking communist commune. Yeah, now, most would just think that he was overwhelmed with stress or you know of the insubordinate and the dealings going on in the states. They're just like oh, daddy's stressed out, we gotta make him comfortable, okay. And so they started to discipline each other and they would report back to daddy. And most of these people had followed Jim for so long that they could not think for themselves.
Speaker 3:There was no other way in life. The children that was what they were born into. They literally knew nothing else, Nothing else, Nothing else. So one settler, they took it upon themselves to write a blunt letter to the senators and members of Congress basically saying that the people's temper were tired of being harassed and they were willing to die together instead of having to move from one continent to another. They were tired of dealing with Social Security and the IRS and the FCC and the conserved relatives and Tim and Grace Stoen, and they just wanted to live in peace. So now there's literally a document, written document, saying that they were ready to die together. Okay, so after that, Steve Katsaris and Tim Stoen they drafted a 48-page document titled Accusation of Human Rights Violations by Reverend James Warren Jones Against Our Children and Relatives in the Jungle Encampment of Guyana, South America. That's a mouthful, but that's what it was called. I mean Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Okay, they're part of California. Yeah, moved to South America, right, and now we're getting told to move to fucking Asia.
Speaker 3:In severe. I mean the jungle's hot as fuck, and they've adapted to that. Now they gotta go to cold as fuck yeah. Like. How do you adapt? There's not enough flavor aid in the world to get me to go live in the Soviet Union. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're kicking us all under the table, right in the dick. You're kicking us.
Speaker 3:So they also. So Steve Katsaris, tim Stoen, the concerned relatives, they all made flyers about these conditions and they passed them out to all the people of San Francisco and surrounding areas with the Guyanese officials' contact information. So now they're like on the Guyanese government dick. They're like calling, like I need to know about Susie Soso and Tommy Soso. We need to know what's going on, do your fucking job Do your fucking job Right, but unfortunately Guyanese was like we don't want no part of this.
Speaker 1:No, we're small government. Thank you for coming here. You bought the land. It's on you, right.
Speaker 3:Fuck, but it was leased and they had made several inspections and when the inspections happened, everything was okay.
Speaker 1:Oh, the theme park was running. Good, the theme park was running good while officials were there Correct.
Speaker 3:Now, after Jim received news of all of this, he had another white night, but now he was discussing how to blow Tim and Greystone's brains out to the whole congregation Jeez.
Speaker 1:So he's leveled up Wow. He's leveled up. He's leveled up Dramatic. He's talking about up, wow.
Speaker 3:He's leveled up. He's leveled up, dramatic. He's talking about murder, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Straight up. I'm going to let you see this happen, and this is going to happen in the name of Jesus.
Speaker 3:But soon after. Is he still using Jesus? We're at peak, heightened Paranoia. You know, just paranoia. Fear. You're over here twerking like me, I'm like God. This story, dude, is so fucking horrific. To try and ease some of the negative attention on Jonestown, carolyn Layton decided to invite her parents for a visit. Now Layton, her parents had taken in Debbie Layton, who had been Carolyn's sister-in-law when she was still married to Larry Layton. That's in past episodes. You gotta listen. Debbie Layton had been in charge of the finances. There was a little team there, but Debbie was at the top. Okay, debbie, she had finally had enough of Jim Jones and the jungle life. She was over in Georgetown and that was enough for her. She was like fuck this.
Speaker 3:And when Carolyn's parents went back home, she was like this is my cue. This is my cue to deuce this out. So when she gets back to the States, she decides to join in the cause against the temple and makes her own affidavit about Jonestown. She talked about the white knights. She talked about the white Knights. She talks about the hidden money that were in several different accounts, like Jim's, making these people think that they're fucking poor and they're not. There's millions of dollars, right, there's millions of dollars. No, I'm sorry, there's hundreds of thousand dollars in his own personal cabin.
Speaker 1:He's trying to make, but there's millions on's own and tell them. This is all we have.
Speaker 3:There's millions in other accounts.
Speaker 1:The US is still making it and he's telling them this is all we fucking have, this is all you got, and we're going to do all these tests. Toward the end of your existence.
Speaker 3:Well, she puts in her affidavit about the plan for mass suicide. Oh, I knew it but there was not enough urgency on taking action. I mean like, come on, y'all are getting like written affidavits here. Okay, senators, officials, guyanese, american, y'all got this shit on paper. You're not doing enough. You're not doing enough.
Speaker 1:He's got the best fucking lawyer I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 3:Right, well, debbie, she's now a Jonestown enemy, and the spiral just keeps going down further. So back in Jonestown, Larry Schacht is now drugging people who are insubordinate and who try to escape in the extensive care unit, the ECU. He's drugging people now to behave Like we've got some whole ass fucking MKUltra type shit going on right here. I don't know about. Mkultra. Okay, yeah, that's going to be a deep dive we're going to do later on.
Speaker 1:Don't kick me under the table, no more.
Speaker 3:So we're a reporter for the national inquirer comes down to Georgetown to try and get a story on Jonestown, but he was blocked. He was completely blocked from doing so, but he was in the area long enough that it made Jim Jones very paranoid. And Jim's like this fucker has chartered a plane, he's taking pictures, he's flying above us. The paranoia is in full force.
Speaker 1:Pressure is on and he done practiced for this shit.
Speaker 3:So all this would happen over and over again, back and forth. Media coverage in the States, white nights in the jungle, private eyes are getting involved, more visits to jonestown from officials and they would, just, like I said, they were putting on the show, the theme.
Speaker 3:Like you say, the theme park was full, full, full, running all the vendors, all the food trucks are going yeah full boil and until september 1978, when leo ryan started making his plan to visit jonestown and wanted to take more congressmen with him, with some reporters, along with tim and grace stone. Now, all of the congressmen that he had asked he's like come on, y'all want to go on this, y'all want to go on this journey with me. They were like no, brother, we're good, okay. But on November 15th 1978, congressman Leah Ryan arrived at LaMaha Gardens in Georgetown where some of the followers were living. Like I said, they had their own little Gardens in Georgetown where some of the followers were living. Like I said, they had their own little thing in Georgetown. Guyanese officials said you know what?
Speaker 1:we're not involved, keep us out of it, but they're the representative of Jonestown Right. You know, in their location.
Speaker 3:Well, they were the ones that gave Jim Jones permission to develop this land.
Speaker 1:Right developed this land. It's a forum to form this whole commune Fuck.
Speaker 3:Like I said, they said they hadn't found any proof that there was anyone being held against their will and Jim would say that Ryan's visit was harassment and Guyanese did not want to be a part of that harassment allegation. So Ryan met with the Jonestown lawyers and the Jonestown lawyers said you know what we're going to, we don't want you over here just yet. And this, this, this whole visit was unexpected and you haven't been invited to Jonestown and the media and the conserved relatives they're definitely you're definitely not getting a club, yeah right.
Speaker 3:So, senator Ryan, he's like look, I come in peace, but I just need to find out for myself that everyone is okay, and can I? I can put all of this concern to rest. And Ryan was told that Jim, he wasn't really feeling well and wasn't able to have a visit. So Jim learns of the arrival of the congressman and he is pissed, but his lawyers are like listen, let this happen. The media is going to print something either way. So let it be something positive and it will be a whole lot better if you cooperate, daddy Jones.
Speaker 1:You got the theme park set up right though Is Space Mountain fucking running, and the lawyers are like you know what cooperate, daddy jones, you got the theme park set up.
Speaker 3:right though is is space mountain fucking running and the lawyers are like you know what, if people want to leave, if some people want to leave, let them, and that would be more food for the ones who did want to stay, because there are a lot that are all about this cause and all about this life and that they want to stay. Let the ones that want to leave. Let them leave, because all they had was two fucking chickens Right.
Speaker 3:Two and finally, marceline. She was the voice of reason. She was like hey, we're proud of what we built.
Speaker 1:I'm fucking you over the chickens, I'm sorry, fuck off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's pull it off. And the plan was that Ryan and the entourage because he's got media, he's got the concerned relatives with him let's let them fly into Port Kytuma from Georgetown, because they would have to charter a plane from Georgetown to Port Kytuma. Then they would drive the west of the way in to Guyana.
Speaker 1:We're thinking of a vast, huge fucking jungle in.
Speaker 3:South America. It is, it very is.
Speaker 1:That's what you have to put in perspective, and a hunk of 900 human beings trying to live off two fucking chickens, literally how, how. There's not enough to sustain it.
Speaker 3:They're eating rice. Nothing're eating rice all day. Nothing's coming in Unless somebody important comes in, then they get them a pig. They slaughter that.
Speaker 1:And he's telling them the end is coming. Yeah, we're fixing to move to Russia, so this we're going to make this fucking happen.
Speaker 3:So this right now okay, we're on Friday, november 17th. Okay, we're on Friday, november 17th. So Senator Ryan, or Congressman Ryan, I'm sorry had gotten into Georgetown on the 15th. He doesn't get to Jonestown till the 17th. There was negotiations and Tim that wrote Raven he is one of the reporters that were on this or that were in this entourage and he explains to you what they had to go through to get to Jonestown. So I definitely I'm going to plug those books at the end.
Speaker 1:Well, Lindsay has been living in Raven.
Speaker 3:I have been living in Raven.
Speaker 1:For the last month.
Speaker 3:Yeah, raven, and the Road to Jonestown. Those are the two that. I've been reading how do you exist?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 3:I've literally been living in Jonestown for two weeks right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1:No, for a month, lindsay.
Speaker 3:Well, there's the buildup to Jonestown, but I've been living in Jonestown like in the real world for two weeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for a month You've been living in Jim Jones everything.
Speaker 3:So they get there on November 15th. They don't get to Jonestown until Friday, november 17th. They arrive to Port Kytuma around 4pm and they're greeted with some less than friendly members of the temple and they were drove in the rest of the way. They're greeted by Marceline at the Jonestown entrance. Marceline, she's the sweet, beautiful face of this whole organization Because she is the calming. She's the calm when everything else is just pure fucking chaos. Yeah.
Speaker 1:She's the calm, she's like the face of the whole ass theme park.
Speaker 3:Well, they get there.
Speaker 1:Making them feel good about it.
Speaker 3:Right, they get greeted by Marceline and an hour and a half later, jim Jones in his fucking glasses. They show up this hour and a half later, okay. So before, prior to the visit, everything had had to be hurriedly cleaned up. So, before, prior to the visit, everything had had to be hurriedly cleaned up. And the women in the kitchen? They're baking fresh baked bread and pastries, things that this commune were not getting on a daily basis at all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so, ryan, he immediately upon arrival that he immediately starts talking to family members of the concerned relativesed Relatives Coalition to see how they were doing, and no one complained. Then dinner was served and it was a whole pig feast with yummy sides and fresh baked biscuits and the Jonestown Band which was called the Jonestown Express they made records and everything.
Speaker 4:They got the band back together. You can find them on YouTube.
Speaker 3:They made records and everything. They got the band back together. You can find them on YouTube, okay, so they performed and the guests and everyone was having a grand time, okay, and Jim Jones even allowed a personal interview along with Mr Muggs. Yeah, he's hanging out. He even brought little Jon Jon the whole thing, everything's Gucci hanging out. He even brought little John John, the whole thing. John John's the cake, it's all Gucci.
Speaker 1:Let me drink some more of this here.
Speaker 3:He brought John John over in front of the reporters. That's me.
Speaker 3:He's taking part of our commutal drink here. So he was asked in front of reporters, little John John, if he wanted to go back and live with grace, and little john john said no, like he had. Even like prior to all this, he had been heard on the ham radio of how he hated his whore mother like it was. It was insane. Leo ryan was asked to say a few words to the crowd and he was like you know what? This is a nice commune here and with the conversations that I've had, everyone said that this was the best thing that has ever happened to them and the crowd you can find this on YouTube the crowd is roaring with cheers. I mean, it is explosive cheering.
Speaker 1:They're happy that the theme park's back open for somebody to come check it out. They're getting to eat some pork.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're happy and they're like you know what. Maybe all this is going to take some pressure off of dad and we're not going to have to live in this fear all day anymore. Right, right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:So then Jim went on to announce that the basketball score of the boys playing in Georgetown he was like we won by 10 points but they had actually lost by 10 points. But Jim could never tell the truth. They were not that good, they were inexperienced, they were just trying to get out of Jonestown Right For the day, for the night, for the week, something else. Whatever? Yeah, butim's like we did it. We whooped him. We whooped their fucking ass by 10 points.
Speaker 1:In the name of jesus, is he still doing the name of jesus? No, tell me no, we're in the name of jim's name with jim's okay, so he is full on the paraphernalious.
Speaker 3:Yes, of so many, of so many, of so many. He's the paraphernalious. I said this on the last one too.
Speaker 1:He is just the epitome of the reincarnate of him himself, jesus. For who, he, who he Upon how? He is the bread and he's the life. He, who, he, who, he Up on high, he is the bread, he's the hue and he's the life, he's the hue. You have to on high.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, but Woo, during Leah Orion's speech, a note had been passed to a reporter from NBC, to Don Harris, by way of a man named Vernon Gosney, stating him and Monica Bagby needed help getting out of Jonestown. This is the note. This is where it all falls apart. Okay, now a little boy. Remember I told you they were all conditioned to tattle on each other. A little boy had spotted this and said he passed the note. He passed the note, so Jim knows.
Speaker 3:Jim knows already, everybody fucking knows Ryan he decided to stay in Jonestown while everyone else the rest of the media crew, everybody else they went back to Port Kytuman Now many of the concerned relatives they had back to Port Kytuma Now many of the concerned relatives. They had had to stay back in Georgetown. There just wasn't enough room and Jim was like no, they can't come. This, this and this person can come. Them motherfuckers got to stay over there, which would turn out to be better for them.
Speaker 3:Okay, so they planned on leaving the next day. And Ryan, he wanted to help these people who had passed the note, he wanted to help them out. And Jim Jones, like I said, he already knew. And by the next morning, on November 18th 1978, this is the date you will want to remember Nine settlers escaped into the jungle, six adults and three kids, and they knew their absence would be overlooked with all the visitors there. Okay, and to their surprise they found two more, so that was 11 total that had escaped the morning prior to everybody waking up. While everybody's there, while the whole everything's going on, the theme park is in full swing.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So breakfast was served and then Ryan commenced with more interviews. The media they had went back to Port Katuma. They showed back up, they got their truck back in and Marceline's like let me take you on a tour. And this was happening while Ryan's. He's interviewing other people and the reporters. They found that everything was just a little too perfect, a little too rehearsed, and asked if they could just walk around by themselves. And Marceline's like no, you got to stay with me, you got to stay with me.
Speaker 1:You can't see what's happening behind Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 3:Exactly Behind the curtains. Exactly Behind the curtains, yeah. So a little later in the day, news of the 11, the early morning, defectors had gotten spread around. So around noon Jim Jones and his glasses showed up and learned about the defectors and Ryan told him that there were a few more members that wanted to leave and he was going to take them. Period, that's it. You ain't got shit to say about this. They're going with me.
Speaker 1:Jim is going to take them. No no, no, senator Ryan, he's going to take them.
Speaker 3:He told Jim Jones there are a few more that want to leave and I'm taking them with me, right?
Speaker 1:They have spoke out.
Speaker 3:So Jones put on he put on the thing, the whole, the whole thing, and he was like he tried to show them warmth and Marceline said things, she's like, things will change, we're going to do better, we're going to, everything's going to be better. But these folks said, nope, we want to go, nope, we want to go. So they all gather their things and then a huge, huge, unexpected storm came through and Jack Carter, who will be famous later on, he recalls that it felt like evil had blown into Jonestown and everyone huddled into the pavilion. Now, after the storm blew over, leo Ryan now had he had about 15 people that wanted to leave with him. Now, after the storm blew over, leo Ryan now had he had about 15 people that wanted to leave with him and he asked he told Jim Jones, I need their passports, you gotta get them out of lockup. Yeah, because, like I said before, all their passports were in, they were in his possession. He had them locked up.
Speaker 3:He had them locked up the lawyers. They were all about this.
Speaker 1:We're drinking so much of this. We're drinking the Jonestown cocktail.
Speaker 3:That's what we're going to call. That. Is this mine? Yes, yes, but, like I said, the lawyers were all about this and they had actually been expecting a larger number, but Jones was absolutely enraged. Even one de facto was too many for him. That was too much for Daddy Jones. He's like fuck you, you're all traitors, fuck you all. Now he felt that this was just going to keep happening to the point where Jonestown was no more.
Speaker 1:He's losing his grip. He's losing his grip. He's losing his grip, yeah.
Speaker 3:And John Victor would mostly be taken from him sooner than later. His empire it was crashing down and the night before he had been planning the last white night with Carolyn Layton, maria Katsaris, annie Moore who had been kind of like a personal nurse and lover to Jim Jones at this point and of course Larry Schacht, the last white knight was underway. It was planned.
Speaker 1:I feel like you're fixing to really fuck us up.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. You all know at this table how this ends.
Speaker 1:This quadruple is fixing to get fucking fucked up right now.
Speaker 3:So when the entourage and the defectors loaded in the truck back to Port Kytuma, a man named Al Simon he comes running to the truck with a child in each arm saying that he wanted to leave too. And then Larry Layton said me too. But Larry Layton was armed and he was a plant pretending to be a defector. So the rest of the defectors were like huh, no way, this guy is super devoted. Something is wrong yeah. If he's leaving.
Speaker 3:Something's going on, right. So, leo Ryan, he had to stay behind and wait for another truck because so many wanted to leave, which I say so many, it was only 15.
Speaker 5:That's still a lot of people to try and get vehicle out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because they got to go. They got to take this truck right in a sticky mud to pork hituma, it's a thing. So while he was there, a follower I forgot to write his name down, but it's in the books that I'm gonna plug. At the end of the episode he came up behind him and tried to cut his throat, saying motherfucker, you're gonna die. But then this guy accidentally cut his own hand and then the jonestown security pulled him away.
Speaker 3:So when you see pictures, you don't fuck with the machine well, when you, when you see pictures later on of leo ryan and he's splattered with blood, it was because of this guy and his hand that he sliced open. So now Ryan's like wait for me. Truck and which had gotten stuck in the mud and was now being pulled out by a tractor, and Ryan said fuck these people, if more want to leave, we'll try another day. But Jim, he knew it was all over, so everyone was instructed to go back to their cottages and Jim went back to his cabin and six armed men of the red brigade would follow that truck.
Speaker 1:So, everything is unspiraling right now. His whole regime is just coming unwound.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go to Georgetown for a minute, okay, so Jimmy Jr, jim Jr and Steven whole regime is just coming unwound. Well, I'm gonna go to georgetown for a minute, okay, so jimmy jr, jim jr and steven. They were still in georgetown and they were told by sharon amos, who was the pr director, who lived in georgetown in the lamaha gardens, that was the jonestown chapel there, or whatever you want to call it, chapter yeah the face, the face, so she said hey, you need to come to the radio room.
Speaker 3:Your father wants to speak with you. So, Big Jim, he says to them hey, you're going to meet with Mr Frazier, and this code meant everybody dies.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so little. Jimmy. Jimmy Jr, who is a grown man but he's still a junior, he summoned for the other Jonestown boys, including Steven, to come back from the movies, cause they had all. They had already played their basketball. They read a movie. Right, they come back. And they did just in time for Sharon Amos, a very devoted follower, to receive receive the code KNIV, and everyone in La Maja Gardens and in San Francisco also received this code. And Stephen, he's like hold on, wait a minute, y'all chill, hold on, give it a minute.
Speaker 3:So now back in Port Kytuma, the truck has arrived, the planes have arrived and Senator Ryan and the entourage and the defectors, they're getting ready to board. Okay, but some they were going to have to stay in Port Kytuma because there were only 24 seats and there were 33 people now okay. So there's total panic and everyone's weary I mean really weary of Larry Layton's presence. They're like why the fuck is this guy here? And then the armed red brigade show up and while Ryan was filming one last interview with the media because they were going to be the first to leave so they could release their stories, larry Layton opened fire, shooting the defectors, and then the red brigade joined in in the shooting and then they took off. So now, leo Ryan, and if you were, the defectors and some of the media were dead and and they have shook up the fucking machine.
Speaker 1:It has been shown.
Speaker 3:And then the rest were either wounded or they took off into the jungle and they're trying to wait and see if the Red Brigade returns. And then they had to wait for another plane in the morning. Now the author of Raven, Tim Ritterman, was among this media entourage and he survived, and that's why we have this book the Raven.
Speaker 3:We have Raven, okay. In Jonestown it was time for the final white night. Everyone was summoned into the pavilion and the pavilion was circled with armed guards. Jim Jones could be her saying to Maria Katsaris Is there a way to make it taste less bitter what she shook her head? No, and Jim told Maria to make sure that Larry Schacht could make it taste less bitter.
Speaker 1:I mean, our flavor aid over here is really fucking good. I mean, we've almost finished.
Speaker 3:But we don't have it mixed with cyanide, no what.
Speaker 1:We haven't Lindsay what, yeah, what happened?
Speaker 3:What you just threw, what we mixed ours with a tropical punch vodka. Theirs was mixed with cyanide. Oh fuck, Did you what? Somewhere in the commune there were already test subjects laying dead.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Lindsay.
Speaker 3:So they could see how fast it was going to happen. It happened Lindsay. So then Jim takes the stage so they could see how fast it was going to happen Lindsay.
Speaker 8:So then Jim takes the stage. How very much I've loved you, how very much. I've tried my best to give you the good life.
Speaker 8:But in spite of all that I've tried, a handful of our people with their lives have made our life impossible. There's no way to detach ourselves from what's happened today. Not only are we in a compound situation, not only are there those who have left and committed the betrayal of the century. Some have stolen children from others and they're in pursuit right now to kill them because they stole their children. And we are sitting here waiting on a powder keg. I don't think this is what we want to do with our babies. I don't think that's what we had in mind to do with our babies.
Speaker 8:It was said by the greatest of prophets from time immemorial no man takes my life from me. I lay my life down. So to sit here and wait for the catastrophe that's going to happen on that airplane? It's going to be a catastrophe Almost happened here, almost happened. The congressman was nearly killed here. But you can't steal people's children. You can't take off with people's children without expecting a violent reaction. And that's not so unfamiliar to us either if we even if we were judeo-christian, if we weren't communists the world, the kingdom, suffers violence, and the violence will take it by force. If we can't live in peace, then let's die in peace. We've been so betrayed. We have been so terribly betrayed. May have been so terribly betrayed, but we tried and, as Jack Beam often said, I don't know where he sat right this moment. Where's Jack?
Speaker 2:He said, if this only worked one day it was worthwhile.
Speaker 8:What's going to happen here in a matter of a few minutes is that one of those people on that plane is going to shoot the pilot. I know that I didn't plan it, but I know it's going to happen. They're going to shoot that pilot and down comes that plane into the jungle and we had better not have any of our children left when it's over, because they'll parachute in here on us. I'm telling you just as plain as I know how to tell you I've never lied to you. I never have lied to you. I know that's what's going to happen, that's what he intends to do and he will do it. He'll do it.
Speaker 8:Fortunately, being so bewildered, with many, many pressures on my brain seeing all these people behave so treasonous, it was just too much for me to put together. But uh, I now know what he was telling me and it'll happen if the plane gets in the air. Even so, my opinion is that we be kind to children and be kind to seniors and take the portion, like they used to take in ancient Greece, and step over quietly, because we are not committing suicide. It's a revolutionary act. We can't go back. They won't leave us alone. They're now going back to tell more lies, which means more congressmen, and there's no way, no way we can survive.
Speaker 1:Lindsay, why do you got me puddled so Puddled? Right now I am just literally Full on Puddled. It's gonna get worse. No, it's not. I'm gonna leave literally full on puddled.
Speaker 3:It's going to get worse.
Speaker 1:No, it's not. I'm going to leave, I'm getting on that plane. You can't leave.
Speaker 3:You're committed.
Speaker 1:I'm not allowed to cry over here am.
Speaker 3:I so at this point, the people's temple were hopeful that this was just a test, but it was not.
Speaker 1:And he's been preparing them for all that this whole time.
Speaker 3:Larry Schacht and nurses came out with vats of cyanide mixed with flavor aid.
Speaker 1:Fuck.
Speaker 3:What the. The children were the first to go and their parents were to administer the liquid by syringe into their mouths, all while the band played and people were lining up to thank Jim Jones Not a part of us, so we might as well end it now because I don't see.
Speaker 8:The congressman has been murdered. I'm ready, it's all over. It's all over, all over. What a legacy. What a legacy. But the Red Brigade's the only ones that ever made any sense anyway. They invaded our privacy, they came into our home, they followed us 6,000 miles away. The Red Brigade showed them justice. The congressman's dead. No fucking justice here. Please get us some medication. It's simple. It's simple. There's no convulsions with it. It's simple.
Speaker 8:Just please get it Before it's too late. The GDF will be here. I tell you get moving, get moving, get moving. Don't be afraid to die If these people, land out here. They'll torture some of our children here. They'll torture our people. They'll torture our seniors. We cannot have this. They'll torture some of our children here. They'll torture our people. They'll torture our seniors, we cannot have this? Are you going to separate yourself from whoever shot the congressman? I don't know who shot him. No, no. No, no, no.
Speaker 5:I just want to say something to everyone that I see that is standing around and crying. This is nothing to cry about. This is something we should all rejoice about. We should be happy about this. They always told me we should cry when you're coming into this world. But when we're living in people. I think we should be happy about this. I was just thinking about Jesus. He just has suffered, and suffered, and suffered.
Speaker 5:He is the only God and he don't even have a chance to enjoy himself here and I wanted to say one more thing, this is one thing I want to say that's huge, it's gone. There's one more thing, this is one thing I want to say that few, that's gone. There's many more here. That's not all of us, that's not all yet, that's just a few that has got a chance to get to the one that they could tell their story to their lives to. I'm looking at so many people crying. I wish you would not cry. Just thank father, just thank him months, and I never felt better in my life, not in San Francisco, but until I came to Jonestown. I've enjoyed this life, I've had a beautiful life and I don't see nothing for us to be crying about. We should be happy. At least I am.
Speaker 3:At this point, children are literally dying around me.
Speaker 1:They're clapping and praising him.
Speaker 3:They're playing the little church music and shit. In the background, the band's always got to play.
Speaker 5:I'm going to be alive today. I'd just like to thank Dad, because he was the only one that stood up for me when I needed him.
Speaker 3:You're abusing me, Lindsay. I know I'm sorry, I'm abusing myself.
Speaker 7:I'm glad you're, my brothers and sisters, I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 8:Okay, please, for God's sakes, let's get on with it. We've lived, we've lived. There's no other people. People have lived and loved.
Speaker 8:This is the rush part We've had as much of this world as you're going to get. Let's just be done with it. Let's be done with the agony of it. It's far, far harder to have to watch you every day die slowly, and from the time you're a child to the time you get gray, you're dying. It's honest and I'm sure that they'll pay for it. They'll pay for it. This is a revolutionary suicide. This is not a self-destructive suicide. So they'll pay for this. They brought this upon us and they'll pay for that. I leave that destiny to them. Yes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8:Who wants to go with their child has a right to go with their child.
Speaker 1:This is rough.
Speaker 8:I think it's humane. Humane, I want to go. I want to see you go, though they can take me and do with me whatever they want to do, I want to see you go. I don't want to see you go through this hell, no more. I don't want to see you go through this hell, but they can take me, we're trying.
Speaker 5:If everybody will relax.
Speaker 8:The best thing you do to relax is you have no problem.
Speaker 3:So at this point, Marceline is beside herself, and then that will come up.
Speaker 7:The children here a great deal because of Jim Jones and the way the children are laying there now. I'd rather see them lay like that than to see them have to die like the Jews did, which was pitiful anyhow. And I'd just like to thank Dad for giving us life and also death, and I appreciate the fact, the way our children are going Because, like Dad said, when they come in, what they're going to do to our children they're going to massacre our children and also the ones that they take captured. They're going to just let them grow up and be dummies, like they want them to be, and not grow up to be associates like the one and only Jim Jones. So I'd like to thank Dad for the opportunity for letting Jonestown be not what it could be, but what Jonestown is. Thank you, dad.
Speaker 8:It's not to be feared. It is not to be feared, it's a friend. It's a friend and you're sitting there. Show your love for one another. Kill your friend. Let's get calm. Let's get calm. We had nothing we could do.
Speaker 1:We can't separate ourselves from our own people, why does everybody have too many THs in their hearts.
Speaker 8:20 years laying in some old, rotten nursing home as the band plays, taking us through all these anguished years. They took us and put us in chains and that's nothing. There's no comparison to that, to this. They robbed us of our land and they've taken us and driven us. We tried to find ourselves, we tried to find a new beginning, but it's too late. You can't separate yourself from your brother and your sister. No way I'm going to do it. I refuse. I don't know who fired the shot. I don't know who killed the congressman, but as far as I'm concerned, I killed him. You understand what I'm saying. I killed him. He had no business coming. I told him not to come. That's right.
Speaker 1:Lindsay, I am fucking puddled dude. Oh my god, you gotta stop it, man, it's almost over. It's almost over. Thank you guys, so much. We're following on.
Speaker 8:This is so terrific, I would suspect. Die with a degree of dignity. Lay down your life with dignity. Don't lay down with tears and agony. There's nothing to death. It's like Max that is just stepping over in another plane. Don't be this way. Stop this hysterics. This is not the way for people to die. We must die with some dignity. Soon we'll have no choice. Now we have some choice. You think they're going to allow this to be done and allow us to get by with this Must be insane. They are insane. It's just something to put you to rest. Oh god, mother, mother, mother, mother, please, mother, please, please, please, don't do this. Mother, mother, mother, mother, mother, please, mother, please please, please.
Speaker 1:Don't do this. Don't do this.
Speaker 8:You can down your life with your child, but don't do this. Free at last Peace. Keep your emotions down. Keep your emotions down. Keep your emotions down. It will not hurt if you'll be quiet.
Speaker 3:If you'll be quiet so there, I can't take it people are literally dying of cyanide right now, in this moment on these tapes and you can listen to the whole of cyanide right now In this, in this moment, on these tapes and you can listen to the whole 44 minutes 44 minutes of this.
Speaker 1:While everybody is. I'm crying.
Speaker 3:Lindsay, I'm crying. I'm crying. That's my fourth time listening to it.
Speaker 1:I've lost my composure over this one. I am puddled way more than you can. I don't think you'll have anything more that you can throw at me right now. The callus has to be fully just as much as this red label drink that I did earlier. That tasted like a saddle. It is calloused.
Speaker 3:Jim had promised a quick and easy death for all, but it was definitely not that Cyanide takes you of all the oxygen in your body.
Speaker 1:I can hear him gasping.
Speaker 3:And you convulse and you foment the mouth. People screamed and cried, as you heard in the audio, and the ones that fought it. They were forced by the armed guards and were injected by needles. This process would take about four hours and in the end, 909 people were dead, 918, including the ones that the airstrip and 300. I wrote in my notes 200, but I further investigated. 300 were children in my notes 200, but I further investigated 300 were children, oh my.
Speaker 3:God. Now, back in Georgetown, stephen Jones had saved every member of the Georgetown People Temple members and the San Francisco members by staying with them. By staying, we're not going to do this. We're not going to die, except for Sharon Amos, who was the PR representative, and she took her and her children into a bathroom where she slit their throats and cut her own wrists. She slit their throats and cut her own wrists, but most, like, I said, everybody else other than her, they survived and it would take a very like it would take days, a couple of weeks, to bring up the entire death count, because it was so hot there that bodies were decomposing and only 409 were identified out of all the 900.
Speaker 1:I remember because I said I'd seen some documentaries and things on this, but not this fucking detailed. Lindsey and the aerial view looked like a pile of clothes laying there, yeah.
Speaker 3:It does?
Speaker 1:Each pile of clothes was a human being.
Speaker 3:It does. I have screenshots of the aerial view and Jim Jones and his pussy, ass, motherfucking ass. He was dead by gunshot, yep.
Speaker 1:He killed himself, he shot himself, nope, nope, nope he couldn't even do it himself.
Speaker 3:Annie Moore, who had been his personal nurse, she, literally, she was the closer, she took care of everything in the end what the fuck when she shot him and laid him on a pillow and then shot herself. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1:It's we're. We're wrestling earlier, Later, we're wrestling earlier and later, and all of it. And we just drank the tea.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know, I've got mascara all over my eyeballs because no matter how much I have listened to this. You can't desensitize to children screaming in the background. You just can't, you can't.
Speaker 1:I'm glad that's over, because he just was fucking me up.
Speaker 3:He had to leave he went to his cabin and died on a pillow.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about our guest over here our guest had to step out conversation. He's like I'm deuces. Well, fuck, lindsay, that's fucking far out. This is the most far out thing you've ever done to me.
Speaker 3:With that being said, jim Jones had also been previously connected to another case that we talked about not too long ago, about Harvey Milk and Mayor George Muscon, who died literally days later by assassination. So there is a conspiracy, because the People's Temple, the People's Temple, had literally gotten George Mayor Muscon, mayor George Muscon, into office.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh, they all help with the oh, so that ties into a pod. We've done before the milk, the Harvey, legendary and George Muscone.
Speaker 3:he literally appointed Jim Jones as chairman of the San Francisco Housing Authority Commission and he died November 27th 1978. That that was what 10 days later yeah, then all this happened shit. Yeah. So there are conspiracy theories galore that you can all you conspiracy theories that may be listening. You can look those up well, and hit us.
Speaker 3:There's podcasts and hit us up yeah, so yeah, I mean the all of the, all of the people that remained surviving in Georgetown were held in contempt for a while before they were going out, and most of them, like Tim Stoen, has a memoir. Grace Stone, all of those players, stephen Jones, little Jimmy Jr they all have memoirs that you can read. You can Google all of those. And then the books that I personally listened to were Raven by Jim Reiterman, who was a survivor of the airstrip in Port Kytuma he was one of the survivors. And then the road to Jonestown was written by Jeff Gwynn, which is I guess that's how you say his name. It's spelled Jeff G U I N N, which is said to be a more authentic and it's more accurate.
Speaker 1:I mean, you've had me sitting on a fucking sheet of glass the whole time. I'm walking on broken glass, I mean the whole time. My cheeks are slam-ass full. Right now they're clenched Of Jonestown glass. As you take a sip out of that glass of the remaining Jonestown brew, the last of the. Jonestown brew.
Speaker 3:But we did it, we're done, we have covered Jonestown the whole damn thing we have conquered, that beast and you just Lindsay. I know I fucked up. Everybody. We made it.
Speaker 1:We have conquered that beast and you've just Lindsay. I know I fucked up everybody. We made it, we made it, we made it to the end. We did it. I'm allowed to play this little part because now we've made it.
Speaker 3:And I want to get this motherfucker out my head.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 3:Lindsay, just to put it in perspective, the road to Jonestown is 17 hours and Raven is 19, or, I'm sorry? 29 hours 29 hours Of audible listening that I have listened to Also along with other podcasters. I always listen to other podcasters and their opinions.
Speaker 1:If you listen to any of that, bring your teddy bear and a blanket.
Speaker 3:I listen to the conspiracy theories behind it, which they debunked a lot of it. They really don't think that there's a conspiracy. They legit think that Jim Jones was just an absolute crazy charismatic cult leader that just led these people to their death. And that's pretty much to me what it was. Now I do believe that he had eyes and ears, and bodies and guns in other areas that could have resulted to others' death. It could have been worse, the two people that.
Speaker 3:I mentioned earlier the Myrtles, who changed their last name to Mills. They were later killed a year later.
Speaker 1:Really, yeah, like murdered in their house.
Speaker 3:He had pockets still going, after all that, yeah, wow, and, like I said, george muscon and harvey milk. They died not 10 days later. Now I don't think that that guy was in bed with anything that had to do with the jones house, because he was. He was a.
Speaker 4:He was a right-wing republican where these were leftist people 100, you know and for all that but it's just wild that it all happened within days of each other.
Speaker 3:Yeah, whoa, yeah. So of course there's going to be conspiracies behind that, because it happened so quickly.
Speaker 1:Lindsay, the four horsemen could not carry me through this motherfucking story. You just gave me around here.
Speaker 3:I'm so sorry, but we have conquered the beast.
Speaker 1:I told you that that was one that I definitely that one's, one that stuck with you just like all all this stuff and it builds up and builds up and then all the shit happens at the runway and shit just coming toward yeah, and that's how it happened in real life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was just bam, bam, bam, bam bam. I wasn't ready?
Speaker 1:I wasn't, I wasn't ready. I just thought you were going to ramble on for like two more days and I'm going to quote.
Speaker 3:Marcus from last podcast on the left, a 27 year empire ended with the catchphrase don't drink the Kool-Aid, the Kool-Aid and it wasn't even goddamn Kool-Aid, it was Flavor-Aid.
Speaker 1:Which we finished, by the way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we got to the end of our cocktail.
Speaker 1:Did anybody finish the sign? I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3:Listen, we've been recording now for four hours. We're good, we've survived.
Speaker 1:I'm loopy of just emotional rollercoaster. It's been a journey, this theme park sucks Lindsay and Jim Jones' dick can dick the fuck off.
Speaker 3:We're closing down the Jonestown theme park and now we're going to plug some music. I can play a band, Jesse what is the name of your band? I?
Speaker 1:got a cool one. You guys want to check this bitch out right here. Oh my God, dude, I have a cool ass band Epic is what I put on the notes. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:And you know I don't put bands in the front. Yes, and I. You know I don't put bands in the front, but I had to put this band in the front because we fit into fucking juke to this one. Okay, I'm excited I want you guys to check this band out. They're called over the bridge and the song I'm not going to tell you, lindsay, you'll know it, though You'll know this one.
Speaker 3:I already know that one. Thank you guys so much for checking us out, thank you guys for following us and thank you, cindy and Jason, for sitting in with us.
Speaker 1:Thank, you for coming and drinking the Kool-Aid with us. Yes, right, or the Flavor-Aid.
Speaker 3:Drinking the Flavor-Aid, the Flavor-Aid.
Speaker 1:We're going to play some juke to you. Put on your headphones.
Speaker 4:I'm out, we'll be right back. That said, motherfucker police. I gave you a tape full of dope bits, bumped through when it's time to hurt you and when your arm sales weren't giving you good news, I acted and told you to go sit. Y'all better listen up closely. All you fellas said that I turned pot with a firm flop. Y'all are the reason that Mikey and Ben get no sleep. So fuck y'all, all of y'all.
Speaker 6:If y'all don't like me, blow me. Y'all gonna keep fucking around with Outro Music. We'll be right back and the Mercedes spins with the windows up and the stand goes up to the mid-80s Calling me ladies. Sorry that I've been crazy. There's a way that you can save me. It's okay, go with Tim Haley. Nine days, everybody wanna talk that they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips. It's a push and dribble race, a motherfuckin' tactic that forgot about drink. Nine days, everybody wanna talk that they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their legs. It's a push into a race and motherfuckers act as if they forgot about Drake guitar solo. Holy shit.
Speaker 3:I know, lindsay, holy shit, I like that one one, yeah, that one was really fucking cool I love like covers and shit that just comes back together and it was all reggae and beachy yeah and it had like a dark, like night theme.
Speaker 1:To like some old school something it it was just like it's fire.
Speaker 3:It's fucking fire. It's fucking fire, we were jamming. Yes, legit, love them.
Speaker 1:Love them Check them out.
Speaker 3:Smiles on all the faces. They do a lot of covers.
Speaker 1:They do a lot of cool shit, you know, so check out Over the Bridge.
Speaker 3:And that's what we needed after that horrific fucking case.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's what we needed.
Speaker 3:That's what we needed Absolutely and the name of the band is Epic or Over the Bridge.
Speaker 8:Over the Bridge.
Speaker 3:The band is Epic. Their name is Over the Bridge. I'm going to follow them right now.
Speaker 1:Follow them, check them out and yeah, all the cool stuff, do it, just do it. Just do it. Just like you know, kind of drinking the Flavor-Aid Just do it. Oh my. God, don't do that, just do it, just do it.
Speaker 3:Don't do that, don't drink the Flavor-Aid. I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1:I can't.
Speaker 3:Don't drink the.
Speaker 1:Kool-A, the craziest buildup to the ass glass. Yeah, slam into the wall. The seat got hotter and she's like play this from this to this and I'm like fuck you from this to that and she's like just dropping bombs the whole time. Lindsay, you puddled me over here.
Speaker 3:I know I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1:You really did. Thank you guys so much for hanging out for all. If you listen to all the episodes, you're stronger than me, because I wasn't here for all of them yes, you were okay, I was you have been here for all of them the abuse that happens over here.
Speaker 3:I swear Lindsay puts me through all of it so on Instagram, over the Bridge is OTB, which is East Coast Rock Reggae, isn't that awesome. Yeah, so follow them on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram, oh yeah, drink About. Something. Send us an email. Drink About Something pod at gmailcom.
Speaker 1:Just drinkaboutsomethingsite and drinkaboutsomethingsite.
Speaker 3:We've got merch, We've got the episodes. You can find us on any platform including YouTube.
Speaker 1:We're doing good. I love it. Yes, it's very good. It's very good stuff. So, with that being said, lindsay, we love you guys. We'll see you guys.
Speaker 3:We're ready to go.
Speaker 1:Next Friday we got to go grill some shit.
Speaker 3:We're going to go grill and cook dinner, and we've got a house full of guests now.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's a whole new room, it's a party, so we'll see you guys next Friday. Bye.
