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DRUNK ABOUT SOMETHING: The Jonestown Massacre Recap!
We peel back the layers of Jim Jones's life, starting with his childhood as "Jimba," raised by a mother who believed she was nurturing a great leader. The thin walls of their home exposed young Jim to his mother's sexual encounters, planting seeds of obsession that would later manifest in his notorious "fuck schedule" and sexual exploitation of followers.
The podcast explores critical turning points, including Jones's encounter with Father Divine, whose harem and control methods became a template for Jones's own abusive system. We reveal how Jones employed elaborate fake healings using chicken guts as "cancer," used Patty Cartnell to gather intelligence on followers, and maintained a complex web of sexual relationships to exert dominance over his congregation.
Perhaps most disturbing is the hypocrisy revealed in Jones's approach to race. While publicly championing racial equality, he privately maintained racist sexual preferences, avoiding intimate relationships with Black women until becoming fixated on a Black female singer in Jonestown—whom he reportedly drugged for sexual purposes.
This podcast serves as both historical examination and urgent warning. The political and social conditions that enabled Jones's rise—turmoil, inequality, and widespread disillusionment—mirror many aspects of today's world. Listen closely, recognize the warning signs, and remember that the best defense against manipulation is critical thinking and awareness.
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hey, jesse lindsey, we're fixing to fucking bring down the whole fucking debauchery are we doing it?
Speaker 2:it's raw. It's fixing unedited content.
Speaker 1:It's fixing to happen y'all. Thank you guys for tuning in and I'm fixing to drop. Oh no, lindsey over here is fixing to fucking drop all the recap on her big ass story for jim jones right we have four parts.
Speaker 2:Ladies and gentlemen, we worked hard. Excuse me, I worked hard on the research on that jesse worked hard on the editing because it was a lot. It's a lot. It was like what? Six hours total oh my god that we recorded on the bunch three part series we're gonna fire off.
Speaker 1:Yes, we're gonna roll that intro real quick. Hang on this. This is a new segment called drunk unedited, so strap in. I feel like we could just sit here with these headphones on for like days.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is going to be raw and unedited, so strap in yeah, I'm not going to edit a fucking thing. No, this is going to be happy Wednesday.
Speaker 1:Happy Wednesday, we're halfway through the week.
Speaker 2:You're welcome for some hump day content. Hump day.
Speaker 1:So we're just going to go straight off raw and I'm not going to edit a fucking.
Speaker 2:all the ums, all the uh, all the hi, all the gibberish and kerflunkle this is, you're gonna get it all this is your straightest raw.
Speaker 1:Thank you guys for following. You're getting the fucking us right here unedited. I am drunk as fuck, lindsay.
Speaker 2:I am sorry, welcome to drunk about.
Speaker 1:I'm not apologizing but you know you can get me, you can get the real me in my fucking you.
Speaker 2:You got some backstory on some things that happened in jim's jones well, first I mean I did four parts right here, live in our kitchen, what you knew about this case, you knew the person and you knew the massacre. I watched a doc.
Speaker 1:What did?
Speaker 2:you think about everything that I brought in the middle. Did you have any idea about any of that?
Speaker 1:No comparison to a documentary that I watched. That's what. I'm saying yeah, no, I mean, you really brought the full on. I couldn't. It was a bomb, dude, and I was puddled, and I keep saying puddled, because I feel like melting underneath of our fucking little kitchen table. I just feel like melting, dude, like you really fucked us up and you had a guest. And then you had the same guest twice.
Speaker 2:My bestie cindy, yes, and and she brought her, her silent partner, yeah I mean, he was just like but he knew.
Speaker 1:He knew this case as well, but he didn't know and I didn't know, and we were just like fuck and we drank some fucking flavor aid at the end of this. So you got a couple of dirt things that you want to talk about. As far as recapping, everything was just horrific.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, there's. I mean, like I said, I could have done a 10 part series on this because, there's so much.
Speaker 2:I listened to do to two very detailed audio books by very, two very great authors. Go back and listen to part four, uh, where I plug those and they're amazing, and I literally listened to both of those books simultaneously. I would, uh dedicate a couple hours each day to each book, um, because one is literally written by Raven is written by a survivor from the shootout at port kaituma, where he was just trying to go home and cover this case.
Speaker 1:it was a huge deal so let's recap honestly, let's recap from jimba okay, so jimba human being right all the way up to the point to where you guys need to all look at what we did, the four parts on. He fucking killed, fucking over 900 people. So literally.
Speaker 2:Let's start with jimba we called it jimba yeah, because that's what he was called by his mother, lynetta jones, when he's like he's.
Speaker 1:Like he's trying to teach people how to do nazi walks. Yeah and and and good job and he has on fucking it. I keep saying it was a basketball it was baseball. It was a baseball team I keep saying we're getting the band back together and he's traveling with his with his whole fucking entourage, so he had a loft in his garage, not a garage in a barn.
Speaker 2:He had a loft in his garage.
Speaker 1:He didn't even have a driver's license.
Speaker 2:Not a garage in a barn, he had a loft in a barn where he would give sermons and pep talks, and I mean he literally became. He was a practicing cult leader from child age.
Speaker 1:From childhood.
Speaker 2:And this was all because he was literally neglected by his parents.
Speaker 1:Well, he was getting off on being able to get that reception, of being able to control people.
Speaker 2:When Ms Myrtle, when she came into his life and would take him to sermons at Nazarene and she believed that anybody other than a Nazarene was the devil, she took him in. But Jim was like I want to experience other denominations and he would go to their sermons and he really would just absorb the energy from the crowd. He knew how to work it he and you're you're in a very religious time period of life, and that was what he became the greatest showman.
Speaker 1:I mean literally, literally and build a whole ass fucking theme park of a religion.
Speaker 2:So then he goes on and he grows up to be an orderly at a hospital where he's dealing with death Right and he meets Marceline and he gets hurt, Like he just has this charismatic way about him that just sucks you in. So you either get sucked in or you get disgusted and leave.
Speaker 1:That's literally the energy of jen jones control or get the fuck or bye yeah, it's controller by yeah, controller by yeah you're right and you get either feed into his bullshit or get the fuck out. But a lot of people, because of what they were going through at that time in the 60s and 70s, it was just like we're oppressed. We're going through so many changes, the whole world.
Speaker 2:I'm going through changes.
Speaker 1:I mean RIP Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 2:RIP Ozzy. And you're going through so many horrific changes in life. Okay, so, jim, he grew up post-World War II, then you got Vietnam, and then you have the Cold War, and you know just people, there's veterans, and then you have the oppression of the black community. Right, and he really just fed off of that because and I will say, I say it over and over in the first two episodes of this four-part saga he did the right thing.
Speaker 1:Right, he was riding on the segregation movement. He was doing really good things for the black community, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean amazing things that I can't even comprehend.
Speaker 1:It was great as to how he made it work. We were on fully on Team Jim at the beginning, Like first and second second episode. We're kind of team gem, yeah, we're kind of, and it kind of started getting creepy. It kind of started getting a little.
Speaker 2:A little he was he was a little bit upset.
Speaker 1:He was obsessed with sex, and it was when he moved to california, and I do talk about that.
Speaker 2:He yeah he was obsessed with sex from a very young age, because the book just basically says that he lived in a house with very small, thin walls. And his mother took in lovers while she was still married. She was wild. She wore pants and smoked cigarettes in a day in a day and age where you didn't smoke cigarettes and wear pants in public?
Speaker 1:yeah, for a lady she wasn't a lady. He had been through world war one with all the shit that he couldn't even he was kind of feeble he was, yeah, he was he was out doing his own thing, trying to, you know, support he had a gas injury from the from the in france mommy would bring in some other people and do some dirty stuff and jim would like partake like in listening and that would be a part of his livelihood as a child. It was so big, you know yeah, and it's mental developmental stuff.
Speaker 1:She was kind of a free fucking range wide open flapper and she condoned his audacity.
Speaker 2:I literally talk about that.
Speaker 1:He couldn't do no wrong.
Speaker 2:She loved it. She was spiritual. She was not religious. She was spiritual and literally had in her mind I don't know what she was going through, but she had visions that she was going to raise a great leader, and I mean honestly she did. He was a great leader that turned sour. Way sour, that milk expired.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then later on, when he, you know, he did his whole commune and turned into communism and they had to get out of California.
Speaker 2:Well, if he had just focused on doing amazing things for the black community, everything would have been fine and he would have went down in history as one of the greatest humanitarians on this planet.
Speaker 1:If he would have rode the wave rightly.
Speaker 2:But it all turns, it all turns.
Speaker 1:But it all turns. It all turns With. My whole perspective on turn was he was just a nasty-ass human being that tried to tie in every woman that he can get his fucking hands on.
Speaker 2:And what did I tell you Like after he met Father? Divine boy, shit went a little sour.
Speaker 1:Yeah a little south, yeah, a little south.
Speaker 2:Like I said, in episode one or two, I can't remember. I am going to deep dive into Father Divine later on down the road. We need to do a Father Divine, because Father Divine's cult goes way back to the early 1900s. Yeah, and Jim really coveted the harem that this man created and the theory of the what did I say? Reincarnation.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I did not put this in the story because, like I said, I could have made this a 10 part, but I wrapped it up for you guys. But, um, when father divine, when he passed away, you know he was supposedly immortal, Um, but when he did pass away, jim takes a group of the temple members to mother divine who had, you know, been a, at first a 21 year old woman, um, who supposedly the previous Mother Divine's body entered into the original Mother Divine was a black woman. Second Mother Divine was a very young white woman.
Speaker 1:That's what I was thinking to say. He was like trying to pull in reincarnate human beings and other people that are already incarnated? How do you reincarnate into already incarnated? How do you reincarnate Mother Divine incarnated? How do you reincarnate?
Speaker 2:Divine became a very big influence.
Speaker 1:So, lindsay, at this point I feel like I'm part of you right now.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah. This was really happy Jim when a father divine passes away. Jim takes a busload of people, a busload of temple members to the estate of mother divine and as like guess what bitch I'm now Father Divine.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you better honor me.
Speaker 1:But can I just take part of you as you're living and just reincarnate part of you? I don't have to take all of you. You can be part of you.
Speaker 2:Well, they called it like body jumping Right.
Speaker 1:Right, I just want Spirit, want spirit jumping. Basically, give me spirit jumping, give me 50 cent, yes how the fuck?
Speaker 2:well, that didn't work out because, I mean, jim had literal plans from the time he met father divine until his death, that, uh, which he had really literally named himself Reverend major jealous divine, yeah, um, jim had plans from the get go that he wanted to take over that man's followers, right, and you're just using like self control. Mother divine, she was smart, she didn't allow that shit to happen.
Speaker 1:And I believe, like every conversation that they had was just completely feeding in the control of whatever is in front of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you're speaking and you're like, okay, these people are clapping and I'm going to say whatever the fuck you can fucking say. To get the biggest roar from the crowd and then also I'm going to pass the plate.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm going to pass this plate. Absolutely Pass the plate pass the plate.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I'm gonna pass this plate and you're gonna pay this money because my shit is the greatest shit that you've ever seen in your whole fucking life. And that's a dynamic, you know.
Speaker 2:They literally bring in people to get all their money so they can form a full regime of horrific religion inspiration well, and it's all a facade, like he literally made people believe that he was healing people by coughing up cancers or shitting out cancers, or cancer, cancer, cancer, and it's all chicken, guts, chicken guts it's all and fucking it's all chicken guts, chicken guts, it's all fucking, it's all fake, yeah. Fake it's performative, and he learned that by watching other people do the same shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Tent revivals. Come to town. That literally promised you'll speak in tongues.
Speaker 1:So now he's a prophet. So now he's a full on fucking prophet.
Speaker 2:But he's got and he's got.
Speaker 1:And followers and shit.
Speaker 2:He uh patty cartnell, who's obsessed with him. She wants to fuck him, she wants to be with him, but he's like no, you're too fat.
Speaker 2:So what you're gonna do is you're gonna be my eyes and ears first you're gonna be my eyes and ears you're gonna be my eyes and ears and you're gonna tell me the information about these people so that I can point them out in the crowd and tell them shit about themselves that they don't think that I know. And then, later on, when Marceline's back is broken and I can't do sexy time with her anymore, you are going to be in charge of my fuck schedule, which is going to come later on, and that's more. In part three, when we talk about uh, we joke about it, it's Jim Jones and deck sessions, his deck sessions and his fuck schedule.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I mean it's literally called that both in the road to Jonestown and Raven. It's literally called his fuck schedule. That is not a joke. That is verbatim what he talks about or what, I'm sorry, what both authors talk about in both of those books. I mean it's literally mentioned in both books.
Speaker 1:And you spent so much time doing all the research on all that. It was just. It blew my mind Because I watched a little bit of documentary and I'm not supposed to know what you talk about.
Speaker 2:On, your list. That's a case that we knew about. It's just so famous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I didn't know that much in depth.
Speaker 2:When you get 909 people to drink to their own death.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. I mean he built his whole regime in California and then shit went awry and then he had to move to a third world country and then because exposés were coming about about the shitty dealings in his church, which were beatings um his boxing matches um pedophilia. That was just tied into everything because Jim had a big ass deck and we talk about that.
Speaker 2:It was just like, and he.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I mean Larry Layton literally gave up two of his wives.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:For the cause, for the Jim Jones cause, you know.
Speaker 1:We're not going to play music at the end of this, I just no, this is a whole recap session.
Speaker 2:I just Unedited. No, this is a whole recap session here.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to say any and all of this. If you hear it, check out our past stuff.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I don't know what I did. There we're at unedited raw. Yes, unedited and raw. This is raw.
Speaker 1:This is us as we go and drunk about it. Exactly so you know.
Speaker 2:So when he sends his early pioneers to Jonestown to start, you know it was an agriculture project. That was literally what it was under listed in like the books of the Guyanese law. You know this property is here for an agriculture project. You're going to farm it and cultivate it there and turn it into a community, which they welcomed because that would have brought in more money for their, for their and everything was a great fucking experience until Jim showed up, so I don't want to give away too much because you guys got to check this shit out.
Speaker 1:You really do Well, like I told, like I do mention you know to check this shit out.
Speaker 2:You really do. Well, like I told, like I do mention, you know, in the beginning Okay, so you got the pioneers, they're coming in. This was supposed to be a 10 year projects before people actually moved there and that didn't happen because Jim Jones couldn't keep his deck in his pants. But Okay, so you got your pioneers, they're coming in there. But okay, so you got your pioneers, they're coming in, they're, they're, they're chopping down this jungle, they're, you know, um, cultivating the ground. They're burning and they're cultivating and they're trying to get it.
Speaker 1:Uh, ready for sustainable for humans, to show up for a yearly for yielding 900 human crops.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay. So that alone was supposed to take five years, but within three years, because Jim couldn't do the right thing, they've just got this influx of people. So the pioneers come, then the settlers come, and the settlers are building, the pioneers are cultivating and planting. The settlers are coming and they're living yeah, which is great?
Speaker 1:kumbaya, they're actually thriving, thriving until jim shows up and doesn't shut up. He doesn't shut up, never fucking panic full on all the time, day and night concentration camp. Yes, his blaring, his, his, his preachings and his voice all over the loudspeakers. And then you tie his paranoid, drug-induced catharsis. And you tie over and over again you tie in uh concern other people that are just like what the fuck's really going on here, because this isn't right and we want to check this out. So they send congressmen over there to them right.
Speaker 2:So you and I were taking a walk yesterday morning, yeah and uh, we were recap.
Speaker 2:We were we were listening to our own pod because we just want to, you know, we want to critique ourselves, make sure it's good content that we're putting out for you guys, for sure so and I was telling him I was like another thing that I didn't put in the notes is literally right before everybody gets their passport, like the influx is by the hundreds of people getting their passport from this temple to go to Guyana. There was a man whose wife was a devoted follower and he tells one of the reporters because he later on, you know, gives a whole story of his experience with this bullshit.
Speaker 1:So he's saying that his wife is literally giving the temple their personal shit that they're using day to day.
Speaker 2:It wasn't extra shit that they had their real refrigerator, their real refrigerator, that they use their couch that they sat their ass on every day when he would come home from work.
Speaker 1:In the name of Jim Jones.
Speaker 2:It wasn't extra shit they had in a storage unit, in a closet, in a garage. This was their things that they used day to day. This woman is literally giving the church their personal belongings that they used on on everyday basis. And then he comes home from work one day and she's gone. Yeah, she's gone to Guyana.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she really gave everything that she had in her own home. Yes, and so did 900 other people, right? 900 other people gave everything to go down and see this prophet that has persuaded and lived communally. He's persuaded everybody into believing he is a prophet and at the end outcome, oh my God, lindsay.
Speaker 2:And I also.
Speaker 1:I do mention you have to hear this shit.
Speaker 2:I do mention in episode two that he starts his rainbow family and he okay, so his biological son is Stephen Jones. His adopted black son is Jim Warren Jones, jr. Okay, jim Jr. So this boy, when they're living in Ukiah and they're going to the public school system there, they're living communally but they go to the public school system. They don't get their own communal school until they go to guyana, right, so little jimmy jones, uh junior, is going to public school and he comes home and he tells his dad that he's been called the n-word with the hard r. Okay, right.
Speaker 1:And it was. It was part of a a common thing that was happening in their community, right?
Speaker 2:Well, they moved to California thinking that they're going to be more open minded, and it was not. There was actually more conservative.
Speaker 1:King and other people for being like these big spokesmen for for change in life, and they didn't have any change in life. They were looking for that change. Jim Jones was supposed to be that.
Speaker 2:And he did make some of that happen when he got over there.
Speaker 1:He did I support. That's why I was saying we were Team Jims all the way until right before Guy it started getting right when little.
Speaker 2:Jimmy comes home and tells big daddy Jim that he says you know what? Fuck them, we're all N words with the hard R. That's what we are, and anybody that is not Can go fuck themselves. So he literally would tell people in his congregation we literally were all the N words with the hard R.
Speaker 1:We all heard.
Speaker 2:And yeah, and he's like and these are white motherfuckers over here, they're not in words with the heart. I mean it's just wild how he just built this narrative and how he just made these people and if you listen to part four, where we have some of the people that actually thank this motherfucker as they're dying- yeah. And just the way that he brainwashed them and made them think that they were as one. They were family.
Speaker 1:It was like he's bringing in segregation, religion and a prophet all together into his control and a healer, yeah, but he couldn't heal his wife.
Speaker 2:No, he couldn't heal his wife, he couldn't later on heal himself.
Speaker 1:So he banged everybody else and it was on a book and I do mention this as well.
Speaker 2:But he was asked why all the women that he were banging was only white women. You know, he said because they're not in words with the hard R.
Speaker 1:So they're too bougie so.
Speaker 2:I got to fuck them to make them better or to make them like.
Speaker 1:I need to. I need to teach them something because they feel like they're better than everybody else, so I won't. I won't mess with African-Americans.
Speaker 2:And another thing that I don't mention, but that was his whole fucking when they get to Guyana. One of his song leaders and I don't know if she was just part of the church band or if she was part of the Jonestown Express, who did put out records she was the lead singer and she was the black woman. Remember how I told you he never messed with black women before that On YouTube.
Speaker 2:check out the band he got infatuated with this black woman and Steven and Jim Jones Jr, who did survive the whole massacre. They said that Daddy Jim Jones would drug her so that he could fuck her I mean, this is their quote anytime he wanted he was infatuated. He was drugging this woman. This was down in Guyana, oh wow. And later on, after the massacre happens everybody, including Jim Jr and Stephen that survived the massacre in Georgetown they're literally held by police and FBI and CIA and officials.
Speaker 1:Right Because they're now considered murderers Right and then to fast forward, like I've seen, the monument and everything they put in California with them the survivors and just. It is so just.
Speaker 2:Well, there's a whole Jimstown or Jonestown Institute where you can. I mean, there's so much.
Speaker 1:Because there's so much that went into this.
Speaker 2:I mean, politicians were players. You had Rosalind Carter, you had Jimmy Carter, you had George Moscone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you had a heart, you had a Willie Willie. Willie.
Speaker 2:Brown, who was supposed to die. Okay, so we have a whole episode on Harvey milk and George Moscone, willie Brown, who was on that board of officials, which is a weird fucking conspiracy, yeah I mean, I don't, I, I, I, I, I don't believe that the killer of those two people had anything to do with that, but it was just very coincidental.
Speaker 1:It was very coincidental. You play in politics because he was playing politics. He was playing playing religion. Yeah, people, absolutely Just so many different things.
Speaker 2:He was very much into politics and he was looking to be like he was looking to run for government officials as well and to tie in.
Speaker 1:But then the bullshit came out about him. He's like I got to go.
Speaker 2:I got to skedaddle.
Speaker 1:I got to get out of here.
Speaker 2:I got to go 6,000, or they were supposed to go to cuba and we don't know what's really happening and they had these crazy practices on suicide before they actually committed all the oh. The white knight yeah, he got him. He was conditioning them and he had actually been in bed with one of the black panthers officials also and uh. So yeah, definitely read those books road to jonestown, raven or listen to them on audiobook like I did. You will be absolutely riveted, like I was. I mean, I cannot rave about them.
Speaker 1:We're horrified, riveted, everything, fascinated. Well, conspire on and transpire of using power and you get more of it. And religion. You get enough money and you can get a group of people behind you.
Speaker 2:And he picked the perfect group of people, which was the oppressed and the downtrodden. There you go. Just, he was like this is who, and I do believe in the beginning he literally wanted to do good for these people. We were on Team Jim for a while there and I do believe in the beginning he literally wanted to do good for these people. We were on Team Jim for a while and then he said, oh, I can do more, yeah, I can do this. I can make them do whatever I want them to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, literally, for sure, for sure, and it's just at that point it gets really scary.
Speaker 2:Do not listeners if we, like Jesse said in another episode, if we just reach 100 of you guys, don't fall for shit like this.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Because I believe that there might be another cult rising, because look at everything our country is going through now, it's hysterical, it happens, you know. Yeah, and the 70s were really a breeding ground for that type of and we're in the cusp right now into so much propaganda and they're swaying people left and right, no matter what.
Speaker 1:Do not feed into it. Wait and see the outcome and then try to come up from it, because do not let them sway you, dude.
Speaker 2:Just you survive at your house. Don't try to be the great person you can be.
Speaker 1:We love you all and we will see you guys next Friday. Check out all of our stuff and thank you guys for tuning in and we'll see you guys then. Bye.
