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EPISODE 48: David Parker Ray's toy box part 1
When neighbors described David Parker Ray as a friendly, helpful mechanic, they had no idea about the soundproof trailer parked on his property—a meticulously designed torture chamber he called his "toy box."
From the moment his father began supplying him with sadomasochistic pornography as a child, Ray's path toward becoming one of America's most terrifying predators was set in motion. His mechanical aptitude, which earned him respect in various jobs across the Southwest, would ultimately serve a darker purpose: constructing elaborate torture devices for his countless victims.
In this first installment of our two-part series, we explore Ray's development from troubled child to sadistic predator, raising uncomfortable questions about what creates monsters and how they hide in plain sight. The story serves as a stark reminder that behind seemingly ordinary facades can lurk unimaginable horrors—leaving us to wonder how many other David Parker Rays might be living among us, waiting for their opportunity to strike.
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Speaker 2:Jesse.
Speaker 1:Yes, Lindsay.
Speaker 2:What are you drinking today?
Speaker 1:A little number seven on the rocks over here, and then I got this over here, and then I got something over there.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, they can't see you, so explain yourself. Oh, it's a Vista.
Speaker 1:Bay.
Speaker 2:Vista Bay. What flavor.
Speaker 1:Hard seltzer Is it cranberry Raspberry?
Speaker 2:Raspberry, it's one of the berries. Raspberry Raspberry holy fuck.
Speaker 1:Stevie nicks wrote that no no it's not no.
Speaker 2:Who?
Speaker 1:wrote that. Oh, she wrote the fucking, uh, the red corvette song she didn't write that.
Speaker 2:Jesse, you didn't listen to stevie nicks's story we were sleeping during that.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but and then jack daniels on the on the rock, hold on disclaimer stevie nicks did not write any Prince songs.
Speaker 2:What Prince wrote a Stevie Nicks song?
Speaker 1:That's what it was. So we went to a Stevie Nicks song and I'm going to ask you what you drink in here in just a second.
Speaker 2:We went to a Stevie Nicks song.
Speaker 1:I fell asleep.
Speaker 2:We went to a Stevie Nicks concert.
Speaker 1:Song.
Speaker 3:Well, there was only one song, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, there was only one song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was Red Corvette by Stevie Nicks. I'm lying, I'm lying, so lying.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But we were tired.
Speaker 2:Why no, we weren't tired, we literally got off work and went to Jacksonville. Okay, we were tired, but she sung us To sleep.
Speaker 1:It was a whiskey lullaby because we went up and got.
Speaker 2:We got drinks, Then we Let me reframe, let me explain. We went to Stevie Nicks. We only drifted off while listening to her, never went full asleep. We just kind of I laid my head on his shoulder and he laid his head on my head.
Speaker 1:It was cute.
Speaker 2:And she sang softly.
Speaker 1:She's a witch and she knew that we were the only two fucking people in that whole stadium.
Speaker 2:She knew that we needed to rest, and we only, and it was only like, uh, closed eyes through one song type thing, other than that we were standing up, we were hollering, we were like honestly, we turned, we returned all the way up and then there was just like that low moment and I wouldn't call it a low moment that was what lala, lala, lala.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, her witchy poo vibes. It was great. It was great. I think about that so much. That concert, for some reason I think about so much. Oh, I do too. But, it's hard to actually pick out points and parts. It was just all one big vibe, the whole aura of where we were.
Speaker 2:She was on her, she was doing her stories tour, so she was telling us stories behind every song that she wrote. Yeah, and telling it like she even told us about the whole everything behind her and Lindsay Buckingham's nude photo on their first album, a Fleetwood Mac Like it was a really good. It was a really good show and I remember every minute of it, even the part where we were sleeping.
Speaker 1:Obviously, I don't Maybe I only remember while I was sleeping. That's the only song I remember, minute of it, even the part where we were sleeping. Obviously I don't. Maybe I only remember while I was sleeping. That's the only song I remember. What are you drinking over there, by the way?
Speaker 2:So I have made a rattle cup.
Speaker 1:You got you a concoction. I do, you're already making potions right now, and it's not even Halloween yet.
Speaker 2:I know Well, it's Halloween in this house we decorated last night.
Speaker 3:I Halloween, yet I know?
Speaker 2:Well, it's Halloween in this house. We decorated last night, so okay, so I've got blue ice vodka water.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I found a knockoff version of Alani's at Aldi and they're delicious, so I got a watermelon earlier. It was good yeah.
Speaker 2:So I got a watermelon one of those mixed in with a uh, a sparkling yeah so water, water, water malone and vodka yeah, fuck yeah, sparkling water, water malone and a sparkling cup in a sparkly cup with an umbrella on top you are bougie as fuck right now well, silas got this out of, uh, that villains activity book. One of villains activity book.
Speaker 1:One of the stories did it. He don't need it. We got that. I got that for you, I know. Anyhow, we're so decorated right now I'm looking at like it looks like a theme park in our living room. Honestly, our whole house of Halloween is.
Speaker 2:And it smells so fucking good Like caramel and pumpkin and spice and vanilla, like all.
Speaker 1:I even broke out the beard oil.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm wearing.
Speaker 1:Tip the tongue, the teeth lift.
Speaker 2:And I'm wearing pumpkin glaze.
Speaker 1:You do smell good, but smell this, which one?
Speaker 2:are you wearing the Harvester?
Speaker 1:No, it's called Tip the Tongue, the Teeth Lift. No, it's not. Which one is that?
Speaker 2:I don't know the teeth of lips. No, it's not.
Speaker 1:Which one is that? Ben and I gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta. Which one is that it's the Harvester. It is the Harvester.
Speaker 2:From Fable yeah, From Fable Beard Company.
Speaker 1:It's good If you got a beard or if your man has a beard, buy him. Fable anything, yes, do it.
Speaker 2:And if you're a man that's listening to this and you have a female friend that likes female fragrance, or anybody that likes female fragrance. Either way, both ways you're having a hard time saying female fragrance. I am too female fragrance female fragrance fragrances you gotta you gotta puff the the nostrils out when you say it so fable has a female line too, and it's phenomenal yes, what are we drinking about? So today we are drinking about a man named david ray parker. But for before we get into the story, if you're new here.
Speaker 1:Yes, we have drinks and I don't know shit. And lindsey likes to tell stories and fucking destroy me and at the end of it and their true stories.
Speaker 1:I plug a band that I've hit up and they said, hell yeah, dude, you can share our music and that's what we do and we love you. And I wanted to cut in front of Lindsay and say her little spiel before that. And I think when we go to season two, we're just going to be like, if you're new here, just go back. That's what we're going to say. Season two, the whole season, Season two is coming up. We've been doing this for almost a year. Lindsay, I just wanted to just go ahead right now. I'm going to do this Because anybody that's hearing this, that's heard everything. Thank you so much. And thank you, Lindsay, for destroying me so much. I mean not really your emotional support plant is still blooming.
Speaker 2:It is so thank you, lindsey, for destroying me so much. I mean not really. Your emotional support plant is still blooming so thank you, lindsey, and thank you everybody.
Speaker 1:Picture of you again for the instagram we're literally fixing to fire off in just a couple of weeks into our second whole ass season, and I, I want to do a little bit of work for you and I'm doing it, I'm doing it, we're, we're doing video stuff now. We're, we're moving on.
Speaker 2:Hit that intro while I take a picture of you, oh fuck.
Speaker 1:Okay, here we go. I'm going to. This is going to be on our social medias. Here we go While this is happening. This is going to do that because it's part of the party. It's part of the party. We did a whole photo shoot while the intro song was playing. That was the best one. Is that the best one? No, god, okay, whatever, yes, and that was the best one. Whatever, play it, plug it, do it, share it, whatever.
Speaker 2:And that one too, that one's great.
Speaker 1:That's my favorite one. That's me. That's the me. That's me.
Speaker 2:You'll have to follow us on Instagram to see it Friday.
Speaker 1:I'm going to start doing that to you. You're going to be the same way. I swear to God. You're going to be like no, don't ever share that. And I'll be like fuck you, I'm sharing it, we're going to share.
Speaker 2:I always ask you first If you ask me to. But I do ask me to, but I do have to ask you a question. Don't do it, lindsey. Lindsey, don't do what makes you feel old this week, or what did make you feel old this week?
Speaker 1:I made notes on our notes, but I don't even need to look at it okay because I know that I get a little over the top with these young and sometimes making jokes and then it's okay, okay.
Speaker 2:So sometimes it's okay okay we.
Speaker 1:We got kids that have they're grown and then they have friends and they'll come over and they'll do their thing sometimes a little over the top, and you already pointed out a few times. Actually pretty much every fucking time I'm a little over the top of these kids and then now I'm thinking about I'm like fuck, I am a little over the top and it makes me feel creepy because they're all kids but they're full grown ass 20 to 25 to 30 year old sometimes and I'm cutting up and acting goofy and I'm like, wait a minute, that feels creepy to me. But the reason why it feels creepy is because I'm so fucking old and I still see a 30 year old, not a 30, probably about a 25 and down.
Speaker 2:They're all children, yeah, 25 and down 25 and down is all children between 20 and 25. Yeah, that's who he cuts up with. They are grown adults yeah, they're all grown.
Speaker 1:They're all grown people, because compared to us, they're still babies. My cutting up can kind of be a little dirty and kind of be a little weird and kind of be a little much. Yeah, if it.
Speaker 2:I don't do that to females. I respect. No, this is all boys.
Speaker 1:The dudes I've been, I mean I've spent most of my life around shops, so mechanic shops and stuff, so I have that ingrained.
Speaker 1:I mean honestly they love it and they think it's funny but as a female, I want to like crawl into a hole, yeah, but I still feel like thinking about it I kind, but as a female I want to like crawl into a hole, yeah, but I still feel like thinking about it I kind of, and I don't want to take that away because they actually enjoy that time with me. They really do.
Speaker 2:They're like this dude's fucking cool man being the only female in the house, like yesterday, I was like all right, that's enough balls and wiener talk, yeah, for today and me.
Speaker 1:I'm like, I'm done. That's what we do here, but I am the only female in this house, so you feel me yeah, sometimes I'll get a wild hair and send lindsey's videos of me goofing at the shop or whatever, and I love that. Yeah, and it is really because I have my. I mean no shit.
Speaker 2:Like me and my female co-workers, we talk about gross shit as well, but if I had a bunch of daughters in the house and I was talking that way, you would be like what the fuck? At the same time, yeah, so yeah, I would be Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:But I still feel old.
Speaker 1:They're full grown and I still feel like they're babies, so that's what makes me feel old. Your turn, lindsay.
Speaker 2:All right. So yesterday I was doing the doom scroll right before shower time, after the house was clean and decorated, by the way Clean, decorated, yeah and I came home and killed it too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he came home in his break. He did some shit. I was. I came across the video of Jamie Lee Curtis, who, I have to say, we've been watching Jamie Lee Curtis since we were babes. She looks phenomenal, by the way. So Stephen Colbert she's on the Stephen Colbert show and he asked her if she had ever asked anybody else for an autograph. Okay, and she thinks about it for a minute and then she's dying laughing and she cannot stop. She's just fucking hysterical. So I mean, the audience is laughing, I'm laughing. I don't even know what's funny, yet Guess who it was? Tell me, steve Urkel.
Speaker 1:Really, and she was fangirling over Steve.
Speaker 2:No, it was for her daughter.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:So Jamie Lee Curtis had a daughter who was fangirling over Urkel at the same time. We were, and I, just then I went, and then I just I went into this whole realm of thinking about TGIF and all those shows that we watched and how that was what we looked forward to every week Now, okay, so right now you can sit down on your couch or your bed, whatever you're you know, a table at a restaurant, pull up on your phone and you can watch any fucking giving show that you want to watch known to mankind and movies. We had to wait for a tv god schedule first. Well, me, I. I just had bunny ears. I didn't grow up with cable or satellite. Yeah, so I had to watch network, local network television. Tv 20 out of Gainesville yeah, or was it Jacksonville, gainesville?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I had to wait for TGIF.
Speaker 2:I mean, there was soap operas during the week and there was talk shows. If you were homesick, you were watching. Bob Barker, you were watching all my children.
Speaker 1:They bounced 20 off of our middle school over here. You remember that big salad dish at our middle school.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's where it bounced, from Gainesville off of that.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's how you got it. Yeah, well, thank you for all of that, because that was the only way this little farm girl could In middle school Back in the 90s.
Speaker 2:No, but that's what made me feel old Jamie Lee Curtis bringing up Urkel, because that was something that I looked forward to every week of my life for almost a decade, you know. Yeah, because you had Full House, you had Family Matters, you had Boy Meets World, step by step, and I have literally loved the fact that I can go to Hulu and rewatch all of those shows at any point at any time, and I'm grateful for that, because those shows were like that was my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, roseanne and fucking Golden Girls now, that wasn't.
Speaker 2:Roseanne and Golden Girls wasn't on TGIF, but yeah, I'm just saying like just and like all those old shows and Frasier and Cheers, because Frasier was the spinoff of Cheers and yeah, that just sent me into a whole spiral. Seeing Jamie Lee Curtis talk about getting her daughter Urkel's autograph Just sent me into this whole spiral of all the nostalgic TV shows.
Speaker 1:Right, what was the movie that she was in where she did the dance? Jamie Lee Curtis did the dance.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I forgot the name of the movie.
Speaker 1:True Lies.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, god, was she killing it then? For sure, but one two, three.
Speaker 2:Count of three Favorite. Jamie Lee Curtis movie One, two, three.
Speaker 1:Probably True Lies.
Speaker 2:My Girl for me, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, can we do that? I'm going to that. I'm going to that with you.
Speaker 2:But also my number two is Freaky Friday. I love Freaky Friday with her and Lindsay.
Speaker 1:Lohan and they just did the two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we haven't watched part two yet. We got to wait for it to come out on our streaming services? Yeah year, because of our upcoming trip columbia county movie theater fucking sucks well, that well, we like to go to gainesville and sit in the lounge chairs because columbia county movie theater fucking sucks yeah, because in gainesville we can have a drink with our fucking gigantic columbia county movie theater fucking sucks with our giant bucket of popcorn right, and I just love gainesville way better.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, because I'm from gainesville, bitch. Okay, I'm not from gainesville, but gainesville has some cool shit and I like the college town it's.
Speaker 1:it's not too big and not too weird of a college town that you don't want to come and participate, because some college towns are weird. I've been to some weird college towns and it's this way, that way, and then some. Then some are political, some are this, some are that. Gainesville's just like kind of right up the middle. I like it. You know, I don't mind going to Gainesville. Go Gators, go Gators.
Speaker 2:Well, I myself am a NOLS fan and did spend a lot of time in Tallahassee, my middle school best friend with her aunt. We would go into Tallahassee and there was this little restaurant called Wings and Rings where you got chicken wings and curly fries and man, that's just slapped oh yeah, one of my best friends lives in Tallahassee. Yeah, Like we love our Crawford Bull boys. Yeah, Crawford Bull Tallahassee. So check out Fighting Giants, Tragic and Defy the.
Speaker 3:Tyrant.
Speaker 2:Yes, those are our Crawfordville boys, which is close enough to Tallahassee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, some of them live in and out and around. Anyhow, you have stories, I do. You have a story?
Speaker 3:And we're going to do that.
Speaker 1:We're going to do a whole ass story. All right, I don't go ahead and turn this way, because I know the plant's going to need me for this one.
Speaker 2:Well, this one's going to be a little slow build. There is going to be a lot of triggering factors in this. Anything that you can possibly think of that may trigger you will be discussed in this episode, so wanted to go ahead and put that out there before we continue. But most of the triggering factors will be towards the end of this episode and then on into part two.
Speaker 1:This is a two-parter.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's a two-parter. I was thinking it was actually going to be a three, but I'm going to be able to do it in two.
Speaker 1:I'm going to let you go.
Speaker 2:All right. So we're talking about David Parker Ray. Button too, I'm gonna let you go, all right. So we're talking about David Parker Ray, and he was born on November 6th 1939. To I want to say either what do you see? Do you say Cecil or Cecil?
Speaker 1:Cecil.
Speaker 2:Okay, For me it's Cecil. I like Cecil, I don't care which me, so anyway his dad's name was Cecil Leland Ray and his mother's name was Nettie Opal Parker, and he had a little sister named Peggy Pearl Ray. I mean so they lived in Belen, new Mexico, and those seem like very Southern names for me. But then, at the same time that I thought about it, I'm like, well, that is the Southwest, we're in the Southeast, but that's the Southwest, so it's still the south, kind of I get it, but it's a lot of latina peggy pearl ray native american, but they weren't they weren't
Speaker 2:either one of those. Right, yeah, it's small, small desert town. So, um, cecil andettie did not stay together because Cecil was an abusive alcoholic. So Nettie would go on to live with her parents and David, who was only about 10 years old when the parents divorced him, and Peggy would go and live with Cecil's parents, who were strict, ok. And they went to Mountaineer that was the name of the town OK, mountaineer, that was the name of the town. Okay, mountaineer, new Mexico. All right, like I said, they were strict, devout Christians and they were really hard on David and Peggy and gave them beatings regularly. Fuck that, yeah. And Cecil, he didn't come around too much, but when he did, he would bring David little gifts, but these gifts were not what a little boy should be getting. Oh, cecil was bringing him porn, and not just any In the 30s, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, the 40s.
Speaker 3:We're in the 40s now.
Speaker 1:He's grown, so it's 10, 40, late 40s, early 50s.
Speaker 2:Okay, oh man.
Speaker 1:What are you doing in there, boy? I'm going to give you a beating.
Speaker 2:But, jesse, this wasn't just any porn, it was sadomasochistic porn.
Speaker 1:How the fuck did they have something?
Speaker 2:like that. That was what.
Speaker 1:But you got to think back who else have we covered Fucking what's his name.
Speaker 2:I can't think of his name right now.
Speaker 1:Garbage the couple from england. He was into that shit too.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, why can't I?
Speaker 2:think of his name right now.
Speaker 1:Oh god, okay monsters of the moors. Check that one out. Yeah, whoa. So, oh my god, now you're making me go to that this way, and that way, and that way and this way.
Speaker 2:And this caused little David Parker Ray to develop very early sexual fantasies of raping, torturing and murdering women. Oh yeah, definitely sodomy as well. So Ray and his sister, they attended Mountaineer High School and ray was bullied for his shyness around girls. But ray, he had already started keeping diaries about his fantasies and would also have drawings of bondage and torture type porn.
Speaker 2:Like he was drawing the shit out, yeah he's locked into some thick and I want to say I want, I want to pause and give the. I've got a little soapbox here. We've got a platform. I want to talk about this Now. Jesse, you know, we all grew up. There was always a friend that would introduce us to porn of some sort. Yeah, if you can, as a parent in 2025, even if you discover that your child is looking at porn, hopefully it's none of this shit, which I mean. At the same time, if you're of age and you like S&M, it's whatever. When it's time to have that talk, right, when it's time to have that talk, let them know that porn is not real life sex. It's acting. That's acting. Yeah, and they should not ever feel like that. That's the expectations that they are going to have. No, in real life sex.
Speaker 1:You can aspire to be that fucking badass in that situation, but no, all of those people are. It's. It's an act, it is scripted, it is set up to look like what it looks like.
Speaker 2:Even the shit on Pornhub. They have that, you know. I mean, that's as close to real life as you can get, but at the same time, they've still thought about it before they turn them cameras on, yeah, before they turn them cameras on, yeah. So yeah, make sure you're. I mean, it's an uncomfortable conversation period.
Speaker 2:It's always going to be, but that was actually brought to my attention a few years ago by a guy that always comes to your shows and you know we were just having a kind of a drunken conversation, but it was a valid point. Men mostly men, women too, but mostly men need to not ever think that porn is what real life sex. Yeah, you don't aspire to be to that level no no, that's movie star.
Speaker 1:Level of sexual activity yeah, it's not real.
Speaker 2:Sexual activity should be natural right and you just go with your vibe and somebody likes that vibe and and y'all are consummating and being a relationship. That's what you go with when, also in in our outlander journey, we discussed that that is the most realistic actual sex we've ever seen in a show and how many shows before that I watched, I said I don't feel like watching this because this is just too much bullshit.
Speaker 1:It's bullshit.
Speaker 2:It makes Jesse uncomfortable. But Outlander he's like that's real. Yeah, that's real.
Speaker 1:That's real, real passion.
Speaker 2:Real passion. It looked they scripted that it lasts two seconds.
Speaker 1:Well, not even two seconds, but it's real, it is beyond two seconds, but.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying, their sexual scenes in that show are more realistic than anything we've ever seen in any other type of show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and at most stages, other than in your early on stages, that marathon shit is just not it. You know you want to have more of a relationship other than just that. Right, and it's just not about the marathon bullshit where you just go in the bedroom and do shit for hours.
Speaker 2:No, it's just not about the marathon bullshit where you just go in the bedroom and do shit for hours. No, it's not about that and nobody. And also, at the same time, there are people that consenting adults enjoy snm and bondage and bdsm, and that is fine, yeah. But this here that we're going to talk about, it's not cool, okay.
Speaker 1:The generalization of sexual activity when it comes to that is just common vibes and you have that activity together in a good, healthy way. Whichever way it is, whichever way it is, you can do whatever your taste is which I come across it around 14 myself.
Speaker 2:The same type of thing.
Speaker 1:Well, that's about how old it wasn't dirty dirty like that kind of craziness, it was just I understood the mechanics of what goes down or whatever. Well, like you said, what?
Speaker 2:shocked me about this story is how long ago. That's shocking yeah yeah, that kind of shit 40s and 50s crazy ass shiza videos so, like I said, ray had already started keeping diaries about his fantasies.
Speaker 2:He would have drawings of bondage and torture, type porn. Well, little peggy, his little sister, she found these drawings and she was frightened like she was, was scared, and I mean I would be scared in 2025. I couldn't imagine forties and fifties finding this shit. So David was born in 39. He is now 14. So we're saying late fifties or, I'm sorry, late forties early fifties yeah. She's I mean this, this, that's clutch.
Speaker 1:Your pearl was fucking wholesome at all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no, there's no such thing as the good old days yeah, we thought it was of course we did but guess what this guy was roaming around.
Speaker 1:Okay, so um leave it to beaver for fucking pulling the wool over our eyes. Well, she.
Speaker 2:She would keep her distance from Ray after discovering that shit. Well then, Ray or, excuse me, David, his last name is Ray he was given a motor scooter from his grandparents and he soon discovered that he was very mechanically inclined and he would take it apart and put it back together with ease. So this gave david a new popularity with other boys who would have him work on their bikes and shit like that. Like he was, that was mr, fix it a little greaser there yeah, well in 1957.
Speaker 2:so we're in 1957. That's still a very long time ago. That's considered a quote, unquote wholesome age Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the era of just respect and wholesome. But it wasn't.
Speaker 2:Well, david's grandmother. She died suddenly. And then, david, he went to Albuquerque to live with his mother and Peggy. She went on to stay in Mountaineer and live with a local family. I love Albuquerque to live with his mother and Peggy. She went on to stay in Mountaineer and lived with a local family. I love Albuquerque. That is one of the coolest places we've been to.
Speaker 1:Wasn't it awesome. I wish we'd have went on up to Santa Fe.
Speaker 2:You know historically some of the ancient Native Americans, but you know at the same time we went and saw awesome Native American shit, but at the same time time that's where this motherfucker's from and yeah, and it's gonna get rough well, there's a lot of shit that goes down in the kirk man oh yeah, real, but gathering of nations was amazing yes, it was the whole, the whole, but I'm glad area that we went to that area without me knowing anything about this.
Speaker 1:yeah, because I would probably make you go, well, if you had looked up the crime rate in Albuquerque period, you would have been like fuck.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean, like this story we're going to keep going. Okay. So after David graduated, he left home to become a mechanic and he started dating this girl. She was from Albuquerque, but she's unnamed, so she didn't want to be part of the story. Okay, and they married in 1959. So he's born in 39. He's now 20.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:He gets married for the first time.
Speaker 1:And he's got a weird perception on that.
Speaker 2:But we'll talk about this later on. He's already done some shit, but we're going to talk about this later on. He's already done some shit, but we're gonna talk about that later on, okay okay fuck. So when his wife was pregnant, david joined the military and his mechanical skills were put to use and he was sent overseas for about three years. In 1960 they had a baby boy named David Elvin Ray. But that marriage it didn't last and it dissolved by 1961. And David was actually awarded custody of little David.
Speaker 1:He seems like a stand-up dude Because he's a military man At this point. Yeah, but you already dumped shit before, so I don't know which way to go.
Speaker 2:Well, and I'm going to, okay. So, throughout this story, David is going to seem to Outshine huh To some people an amazing guy, amazing neighbor, amazing and then there's a whole different world that he's in. So let me keep going.
Speaker 1:He's got some back fuckery going on, right.
Speaker 2:Well, when David was sent off with the army again, his mother, Nettie, who was now remarried, would keep little David. Then David was married again wrong wife number two in 1962 to another woman who was also not named, and that one only lasted about three months.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's seen it.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know. I don't know if she did or not. There's a lot of mystery here. Okay, okay, but I'm just going through the timeline. In 1963, david was discharged from the army. It was honorably Honorably, honorably, honorably, yeah, honorable discharge. He was discharged from the army and became a driver for a local truck driving company and he worked alongside his stepfather. In 1966, he married Glenda Burdine, who already had a little boy, like he did, and then they had a little girl together named Glenda Jean Ray.
Speaker 1:But you can't say 1966 without saying pickup sticks.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I meant to pause for that. I really did, but I was fumbling with my words there, so Okay, you made it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we made it okay.
Speaker 2:So Glenda Jean Ray would actually end up going by. You want to take a guess what she went by?
Speaker 1:What did she go by? I can't guess it. I can't guess it, jessie, she went by, jessie, yeah.
Speaker 2:So Glinda Jean Ray will now be Jessie throughout the story, Bro.
Speaker 3:what the fuck is Glinda Jean?
Speaker 1:Ray, I don't know, I don't know I was like, but she go by Ray, but it doesn't make any sense. And then did she go by Glinda, or so she will be.
Speaker 2:Jessie for the rest of the story. So little, glinda, jean Ray will go by Jesse for the rest of the story Makes no sense, I know but that's what she went by. Okay, so David and Jesse would be very close later on in life, but before that do you look for fucking podcast?
Speaker 1:to put my name I actually don't.
Speaker 2:I really this is like the fifth time now.
Speaker 1:That's probably not the fifth time.
Speaker 2:It's pretty fucking close. Yeah, because there was jesse. Miss kelly, there was, there was.
Speaker 1:There's been a few jesse's throughout, yeah why does my name keep coming up in true crime? I don't know. There's that much true crime and this and this.
Speaker 2:Jesse spelled it like you do, yeah as a female as a female.
Speaker 1:Come on, we'll talk about that a minute a little why at the end I kind of wish my name had a Y at the end.
Speaker 2:No, because you're Jesse David from the Bible. Give me an.
Speaker 1:IE. Give me an IE. Yeah, give me a Y with an IE. Fuck it.
Speaker 2:All right, Let me keep going boo-boo yeah. So David and that David ran off to be a drifting hippie. He left his family. Okay, he would start hitchhiking with a woman named Sally, and one day they stopped at a truck stop for a meal. David talked with oh my God, are you playing with the mask? You're distracting me.
Speaker 1:You got it over here. Was it Sally O'Malley? Oh?
Speaker 2:my God, let me take a picture, right quick, but no Okay.
Speaker 1:So we have all these decorations going on. I can't stop wearing it.
Speaker 2:That's our New Orleans.
Speaker 1:New Orleans Did we get this in New Orleans, did we?
Speaker 2:No, we found. What was it? What did you find it at? Like a yard sale. I don't remember Some New Orleans Halloween decorations, decorations and there was a bunch of masks in there, so I just put them all over the house oh, dude, and they're cool.
Speaker 1:I want to go to a masquerade party your 30th masquerade party was so fucking amazing it was well we.
Speaker 2:And then we've went to another one, uh, for new year's eve. Remember the show where I got trashed?
Speaker 1:oh god, yeah, yeah and then we went.
Speaker 2:We did when we do flappers on that one?
Speaker 1:no, it was just masks.
Speaker 2:We did. I had like a. I had a lace romper.
Speaker 1:For your 30th? We did. I was a post-apocalyptic type dude with a gas mask on. That was cool Toting around in 1911. That was fun. Anyhow, go back. Baby Weird had to play. Had to play Sorry.
Speaker 2:So David talks with the owner and the owner offered him a job due to his knowledge of mechanics. Like this dude.
Speaker 1:He was balling into fucking.
Speaker 2:Balling into mechanics In the wrenching yeah, balling wrenching. Sweet. What is the deal with mechanics and fucking true crime too?
Speaker 1:I'm not going to talk about my job personally, but we just had a mechanic leave that I could have swore could have been a serial killer.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, let's talk about that later. So David and Sally. So OK, let's just make this clear. David has a whole ass family at home. David has decided to become a drifting hippie. He's he's hanging out with Sally. Sally and him move in with the owner of this truck stop. Yeah, sally O'Malley. So David and Sally moved in with the owner and the owner's girlfriend, who was also a cook at the truck stop. Everyone got along and they all partied all the time together at a local bar. When the truck stop would close, it was time to party. Now girlfriend was pregnant. But you know, back then it was okay for you to drink and smoke while you were pregnant. I mean it wasn't okay. Then it was okay for you to drink and smoke while you were pregnant.
Speaker 1:I mean it wasn't okay, but it was accepted for you to drink and you barely had, you barely had vaccines. You didn't wear seat belts. You fucking did what you wanted to you drank and smoked while you were pregnant even know she was pregnant, probably did she did, she did she knew, and oh well, yeah yeah, you know, I literally just said on your hip while you're pregnant, smoking a fucking benson and hedges drinking a martini 30 extra olives yeah, and I'm listening to tammy, why net absolutely no vermouth in that bitch, okay?
Speaker 2:so one day the girlfriend the truck stop owner's girlfriend she notices that sally and all her things had vanished, and when she asked David where Sally was, he was just like you know what? She's a free spirit and she has gone on her way. This couple thinks nothing of it until about 30 years later, but we'll get there. So then, a little while later, david, he goes home to his family and he stayed a devoted husband and father for a while and became an aircraft mechanic. Secretly, he was starting to pursue sex workers or women that he met in bars to satisfy his sadomasochistic fantasies.
Speaker 1:Oh, he could pay for it and do the dirt. Masochistic fantasies.
Speaker 2:Oh, he could pay for it and do the dirt. So in 1969, there was a lot of cool things that happened in 1969. It was the summer of 69. Yes, and then there was Woodstock, and then Brian Adams sang about it, and it was. You know, 69 was a year that's a good thing.
Speaker 2:But uh, david. He moved his family to Tulsa, oklahoma, and became a teacher at the Spartan School of Aeronautics. Now you just dropped that on me. I gave Jesse the little assignment. This was a big deal and he taught here for the next two years. So I gave Jesse a little assignment on giving us some history.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you wanted me to like look up the history. Yeah, just give me a little assignment on giving us some history.
Speaker 2:He's a teacher there. Yeah, you wanted me to look up the history. Yeah, just give me a little history of the Spartan School of Aeronautics.
Speaker 1:This is juicy. I like this. Yeah, yeah. This is cool that you made me part of it. I literally just told.
Speaker 2:Jesse, hey, I want you to give me some info on this school. And he's like what, what he glitched?
Speaker 1:No, he glitched, no, no. So there's like three spartan schools of aeronomics, like in the united states, I think, maybe more, but from what I've seen, like they started like in the 30s, yeah, and they helped revolutionize. We won world war ii because of the technology and the things they were doing there and it's really, really cool. I mean, if you're into aviation and you want to learn how to work on planes and mechanics which we have a badass spot here in our town- actually yeah, what's it called? Right now is it Arrow oh.
Speaker 2:Why can't we think of our?
Speaker 1:We've had some dreams it's changed. No, it gets bought and sold.
Speaker 2:Yeah, our little aeronautics place. Yeah, we have an old military base that's in Lake City, florida, and they repair planes there commercial planes and they do a lot of great career for a lot of people here in our town.
Speaker 1:But it gets bought and sold out. Money, money, money, whatever.
Speaker 1:But the employees Back to Tulsa. That's really I mean all the way down to people that started traversing the globe whenever, uh, aviation was created as as far as transportation or warfare or whatever the technology was, they really forefronted that in in that school. It was really cool. I looked up a little bit of stuff about it and I think that's about it as far as history goes. I mean, they're phenomenal. Anyhow, I'm trying to boast it up, but I think you got a horrific person that you're fixing to dump on me.
Speaker 2:That's working there, right I'm trying to find the name of our local ship because we I mean if we hadn't had a few drinks. Arrow, it used to be timco a long time ago.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it is now, but there was like a few different names of the one here in town. But isn't that crazy? Like that's one of the biggest landing strips in our area. It's bigger than Jacksonville right there, the longer not bigger. But you know you can land anything in the world right there and we watch the planes actually off our back porch. You can watch them because they have to line up right there. It's really cool.
Speaker 2:Well, anyways, I can't find. I can't even find it on Google. But one of our friends works for that company. Couple of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just just you know. We know people that do things.
Speaker 2:So, just like he was in school, david Parker Ray, he was also a loner as a teacher. He really didn't, you know. You know how it is You're a teacher, y'all become buds, you go have drinks after work, whatever. But David, he was like nah, I'm good.
Speaker 1:This thing went home.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, david was now in his 30s and in secret he was getting deeper and deeper into the world of sadomasochism and violent deviant sex. He would later say that he wouldn't even think about it for months at a time, and then other months it was all he could think about Full on addiction Right and it would start to take over his life.
Speaker 1:And that in turn comes where the talk comes into your child. You know this way, that way, whatever your preference is it has to be healthy.
Speaker 2:Well, that's deep-seated, that's literally. His first introduction into sexual world was sadomasochism Horrific to write off rip.
Speaker 1:You got to tell him hey, this is how this goes, this is healthy.
Speaker 2:But at the same time, we want to make sure that we understand that there is a world where that is okay, but this is consensual right it's consensual do your thing, so we here at genzy, chesterton, fieldville.
Speaker 2:We all know that whatever you're doing, as long as it's consensual, healthy and legal, we we do support it yes, we support it um you and yours right, but when it comes to the point where you are taking advantage of somebody, yeah, or doing the things that this guy will go on to do, it's not cool, all right, fuck. So he would say that he wouldn't even be able to achieve a climax without imagining killing a woman.
Speaker 1:There we go Fuck.
Speaker 2:In the mid-70s David would move the family to Victoria, texas, where he ran a gas station and he was a volunteer fireman. Here we go again Upstanding citizen, deep, dark, secret life. Okay, but in 77, he would return to Albuquerque and worked repairing tracks for the railroad, and this job would have him traveling all over the Midwest and he would barely see his family. And then his marriage to Glenda would be over All right. So that's wife number three.
Speaker 1:See, that's the thing that I was talking about earlier, and I don't want to dump names, but a dude at my work, a lot of that.
Speaker 2:Write his name down, so we can.
Speaker 1:I don't want to write his name down.
Speaker 2:No, write his name down so we can go back. We can know oh my God, this guy.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to point out just somebody by their mannerisms and things, but I'm going to keep an eye out, okay. Okay, lindsay got me over here like scoping out people now on this true crime shit.
Speaker 2:So now we're in 1983. Okay, you and I have both been born at this point. David Parker having dropped the ray, he's now dropped ray. He's reinvented himself a little bit. He moved to Phoenix Arizona and became lead mechanic for Canal Motors and helped this business prosper over the next eight years.
Speaker 1:Should have stayed in Tulsa. That was a great career.
Speaker 2:Well, this one listen, you'll come to find out. This guy had stacks. He lived very meagerly, but he had stacks. But why he?
Speaker 1:had stacks, but why he had to move and uproot every time. You're going to tell us, you're going to find out.
Speaker 2:Okay. So anyway, he's working for Canal Motors. It's an up-and-coming business. He helps it prosper over the next eight years. He married again, now for the fourth time, to a woman named Joni Lee. David was secretly still very deep into the world of S&M, and he would travel a lot from Phoenix to New Mexico and then Mexico, for reasons that we will talk about later.
Speaker 1:Lindsay, I feel like you are literally Gotta build bitch. Now I'm looking up because the weight that's fixing to drop on me is going to be horrific.
Speaker 2:David and Joni lease some property known as Block K by a large man-made reservoir lake in Elephant Butte. Where's that? New Mexico? New Mexico, right down the road from Albuquerque. Okay, and this was also connected to the town of Truth or Consequences.
Speaker 1:I remember seeing that on the map.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm going to give a little history about. Okay. So Elephant Butte. First of all, it got its name from a rock formation which was shaped like an elephant lying on its side. There was also a state park nearby. On its side, there was also a state park nearby. Now, truth or Consequences got its name from the radio game show hosted by Ralph Edwards in the 50s. On the show's 10th anniversary, ralph said that he would broadcast live from the first US city to rename itself after the show and the residents of Hot Springs's where I heard about it.
Speaker 2:They voted to change their name and now it is called Truth or Consequences, but the locals say T or C. Okay, so now let's get back to how I said, david had been close with his daughter. This was not a healthy closeness, as he would tell her about his obsession with S&M and his conquest of women that he would act out his fantasies on. She knew about this from a pretty young age. What a creep bag, such a creep. But in between they would also bond over their love of nature and hunting, and she would also become mechanically inclined and Jessie would come out as a lesbian in her late teens.
Speaker 1:Well, you couldn't help it. You're around your dad and you're handing him tools, and this is all of your world.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, you're born gay, your sexual orientation just happens, naturally.
Speaker 1:Right, you can do whatever you feel.
Speaker 2:But she was comfortable enough to come out, and this was in the 70s.
Speaker 1:Wow, I mean there was a lot of peace, love and whatever right there. Right, there was a lot of that happening.
Speaker 2:There's still a lot of stigma, though. In our area I'm sorry, so we're in the 80s. We're in the 80s. I apologize.
Speaker 1:Still, there's things we're in the 80s. We're in the 80s. I apologize, yeah, Still. I mean there's things we're moving. I get it yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, when she, when Jessie, when she turned 19 or when she was 19, she became very conflicted about her dad's sexual violent behavior and after she witnessed witnessed him become violent with a sex worker who literally left out of their house naked running she was running naked out of his house in 1986.
Speaker 1:I can just fucking imagine how horrific all the backstory you're fixing to dump on me.
Speaker 2:So then, jesse, she went down to the local FBI office in in that area and told the feds. Yeah, okay, is that bad yeah, and told them that her father kidnapped women, tortured them and then sold them into sex slavery over the mexican border. That's what she told the FBI. Fuck, she knew a lot of fucking shit.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's why he was moving jobs, that's why he was doing this and that and the other and fucking all them fucking things that he was fucking doing. Fuck Lindsay.
Speaker 2:So they started to investigate.
Speaker 1:It gets way worse than I was thinking.
Speaker 2:It gets worse. It gets even more worse, no, but.
Speaker 1:I'm already picturing and now you're fixing to paint it Fuck.
Speaker 2:So they started to investigate and interview David, who fucking bragged about his S&M behavior and tried to justify it. Okay, and for some insane and I capitalized insane reason, they dropped the investigation and Jessie would never turn on her father again.
Speaker 1:Okay, I keep, I keep. You're looking at me and you're saying my name, but okay, okay, no, and that's why we drink.
Speaker 2:And that's well. That's another podcast. Oh, it's a podcast, yeah.
Speaker 1:We need to do a collab for them. I want to do one, I want to hang out with some, but we are drinking about something, and the something is David Parker Ray. I'm taking a sip right now. We're drinking about something right now and listen and we're drinking about Jesse Ray. Yeah, quit saying my name in the middle of this. This is offensive.
Speaker 2:But you're Jesse David.
Speaker 1:Oh my.
Speaker 2:God. Both names. I just connected David. Both names I just connected David Parker Ray and.
Speaker 1:Jesse.
Speaker 2:Ray, and you're Jesse David Ew.
Speaker 1:Whamsy, whamsy.
Speaker 2:All right In 1988. Fuck, he's going to the plant he's getting.
Speaker 1:You got a cool straw over here, still holding up.
Speaker 2:Our snake plant is still in recovery, don't mess with her.
Speaker 1:And the grandkids are coming next week. Right, we're going to leave it. We better get more straws.
Speaker 2:Okay. So in 1988, david's partner down at Canal Motors, billy Ray there's so many Rays no comment. So his name was Billy Ray Bowersays no comment. So his name was Billy Ray Bowers he no comment. He vanished after wanting to cash in on his partnership. Police were called to investigate, but Billy Ray's disappearance would go unsolved.
Speaker 1:I farted, sorry, keep going.
Speaker 2:You made me drop my pencil unsolved. I farted. Sorry, keep going. You made me drop my pencil, well, I farted. Billy Ray's disappearance would go unsolved for a while. A year later, a man was fishing at Elephant Butte Lake and a body came floating up. Oh fuck, the body was that of a man who had been shot execution style and was tied up. But that body would remain a John Doe for about 10 years before being identified as Billy Ray. 10 years, okay.
Speaker 1:You keep flipping shit at me, man, I'm building boo-boo, building the suspense. It's a shit-ass brick house, dun-dun-dun-dun House. She's mighty, mighty.
Speaker 2:Just letting it all hang out, alright. So David now feeling like he's gotten away with quite a few crimes and is no longer being investigated? The FBI said fuck off he starts to make even more of his six fantasies become part of his life, and he uses his mechanical skills to do so. What, what is a motherfucker building machines?
Speaker 1:and shit. Let me get there, because I'm going to rage against it.
Speaker 2:He decides to design a torture chamber and constructs many torture devices.
Speaker 1:I was just joking, Lindsay.
Speaker 2:Well, we're not playing here.
Speaker 1:But I was joking, Lindsay, you don't have to tell me this.
Speaker 2:Well we're not playing here, but I was joking you gotta not Fuck. So he also wanted to document and film his victims' reactions to pain. He would also make money off his films in the dark underworld of torture porn. In 1991, at 513 Bass Road, david would turn a cargo trailer into what he would call his toy box and it would be right next to his mobile home. He had like a double wide. And then we got a cargo trailer and Jesse is over here silently freaking the fuck out because I'm it's about to go hard, let me roll, okay, fuck. The entrance would read welcome to satan's den. And satan's den would be soundproof, air-condition and it had weights, pulleys, whips, chains, scalpels.
Speaker 1:Why the fuck the air conditioning Go ahead.
Speaker 2:So victims could.
Speaker 1:Enjoy the air conditioning while they're being fucking torqued.
Speaker 2:So they wouldn't hyperventilate, dehydrate, things like that we're going to get there. We're going to get there. So he would have pap smear equipment and a gynecologist chair that was designed to shock his victims. Full, full Lens. Walls were decorated with pictures and drawings of women being tortured. There would also be cattle prods, stretching devices and enormous and enormous is not even a big word for this enormous dildos, yes, enormous. One dildo was attached to a base that had nails sticking upward so that when it was used, it would tear the flesh.
Speaker 1:There was also Are you fucking kidding me right now?
Speaker 2:He has scooted towards me. He's literally in my face. And in my face, lindsay, and in my microphone, lindsay. This isn't funny and you're making me laugh this is not fucking funny.
Speaker 1:Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2:No, and I'm still going. You have more. Yeah, you got to scoot back over to your seat.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not Get in your seat. No, I'm going to stay right, the fuck here while you're Get in your seat. No, I'm going to stay right, the fuck here while you're Get in your corner. I'll go back to my microphone, but Lindsay.
Speaker 2:PS. Has anybody watched that movie with Jennifer Aniston and Jake Gyllenhaal and the guy from oh Brother when Art Thou, where it's called the Good Girl, and he's he is having relations with Jennifer Aniston, the guy from Bro Brother, art the one. What's his name? Buster Scrubs.
Speaker 1:Fuck. What is his name?
Speaker 2:I don't know, but he's having relations with Jennifer Aniston, and his dog keeps barking at them while they're having relations and he's like get in your corner.
Speaker 1:Get in your corner. I thought it was out of.
Speaker 3:we're not on a Get in your corner.
Speaker 1:I thought it was out of time. I ain't even paying attention to our screen. I'm over here in your face, Lindsey. You have more to dump on me right now. Yep, well, I'll keep making jokes we're almost done with this part about us wrestling later. I'm right here.
Speaker 2:You ready to wrestle? Uh-uh, your knee hurts from our kid.
Speaker 3:So get your ass in your corner.
Speaker 1:Let me get over there. I can't believe it. I can't believe this.
Speaker 2:I never came over here to your side of the court. You got. No, your beard smells nice, but I got to finish my. I got to finish part one. You can finish it, but, bitch, I got shit to do. I want to go away. Well, go away back to your corner, go hug the plant.
Speaker 1:No, the plant ain't good enough for this moment. Okay, I'm back, All right, but shit, All right, Go, go whatever dude go.
Speaker 2:I'm all the way invested into my fucking plant, all right. I'm all the way invested into my fucking plant, all right. So there was also a coffin with restraints and ventilation holes. There was a monitor so that the victim would have to see what was being done to them. When he would lure a victim, he would blindfold them, drug them. Once they would be in the toy box, he would play this horrifying message that he had pre recorded.
Speaker 1:Take a picture of this and share it to fucking everybody. That way they know, where I'm at.
Speaker 2:Alright, hold on, he's shooting a bird at me. Just let y'all know. Okay, alright, you ready? No, I'm not ready. So the pre-recorded message would play for the victim saying Hello there, bitch, are you comfortable right now? I doubt it.
Speaker 2:Wrists and ankles chained, gagged, probably blindfolded, you are disoriented and scared too, I would imagine. Perfectly normal under the circumstances. For a little while at least, you will need to get your shit together and listen to this tape. It is very relevant for your situation. I am going to tell you in detail why you have been kidnapped, what's going to happen to you and how long you will be here. Now you are obviously here against your will, totally helpless, don't know where you're at, don't know what's going to happen. You're very scared. You're very pissed off. I'm sure that you've already tried to get your wrists and ankles loose and know that you can't.
Speaker 2:Now you're just here waiting to see what's going to happen to you next. You probably think you're going to be raped, and you're fucking sure right about that. Our primary interest is in what you've got between your legs. You'll be raped thoroughly and repeatedly in every hole you've got, because, basically, you've been snatched and brought here for us to train and use you as a sex slave Sound kind of far out. Well, I suppose it is to the uninitiated. I can't read this word. I'm sorry, but we do it all the time. It's going to take a lot of adjustment on your part and you're not going to like it a fucking bit, but I don't give a rat's ass about that. It's not like you're going to have any choice in the matter. Now I'm going to stop there. This transcript goes on for probably about 30 minutes for his victim to listen to, but that's just a little bit of what he says to his victims while they're kidnapped. Strapped yeah, in a trailer, in a trailer. So you?
Speaker 1:put yourself in this situation right now.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And I just snapped.
Speaker 2:Oh, I've put myself in it Because I've listened to this case be told probably by about Male, female, whatever you are Four different, yeah.
Speaker 1:You put yourself in this situation right now and you hear that being bonded up and not knowing what the fuck's really going to fucking happen, and all you have now is time to think about it before it really fucking happens.
Speaker 2:And they're blindfolded.
Speaker 1:Every one of these fucking podcasts is the worst one, and this is the fucking worst one. Why you keep giving the fucking worst one? I swear to God.
Speaker 2:He would end with the victims know that he would be drugging them and they would never remember him where they were and there would be no DNA evidence as he would flush out all their holes. David would have other women accomplices to assist in the torture of his victims, including Jesse Ray.
Speaker 1:So that's the we. That's one of the we I thought he had like multiple personalities of fuckery going on.
Speaker 2:No, he had other females, including his daughter, the he has the we and it's other actual human beings. And we're going to talk more about that in part two.
Speaker 1:There's a part two to this. I have to come back. Oh yeah, I know I have to come back. We gotta tell you how he we gotta tell the end. Can you do part two without me?
Speaker 2:yes, I can, if you want.
Speaker 1:I'll set it up. I don't really want to but, fuck, there's some good parts of part two how the fuck is there any good in this? Any of, but still no, okay. There's good parts, this Any of, okay, well, I mean, but still no, no, not okay.
Speaker 2:There's good parts in part two. I'm picturing this trailer. I can promise you that.
Speaker 1:Can I rant for two seconds?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Because I'm picturing this trailer right. What is it like? Is it like a Con-X or whatever on a semi-trailer? When we get to part two, I'm going to show you pictures, oh, my god, yeah, I'm sorry, so I'm painting my picture right now on my own. I'm fucking all this metal and gear works and shit Of fuckery all in this fucking 40 foot trailer of stirrups and chains.
Speaker 2:The neighbors thought that that was his workshop Because it was soundproof. They had no idea.
Speaker 1:And he had it all padded and fucking do you know what's crazy.
Speaker 2:Hold on this motherfucker. Listen to this. So I don't know if you if you guys have been listening throughout, y'all know that one of my favorite podcasts is last podcast on the left. Okay yeah marcus that he's the narrator, he's he writes the script. Hit. One of his buddies lived two doors down, grew up two doors down from David Parker Ray Are you fucking kidding me. And he was described and we're going to get there. Regular Joe Cool dude, fucking neighbor Fuck.
Speaker 1:Lindsay.
Speaker 2:So let me finish up, let me wrap up, boo-boo.
Speaker 1:Okay, but we're almost 50 episodes in Mm-hmm. And I'm still not this calloused. I can't. I know you can't do females, Males, people that love podcasts. How do you get calloused to this where you love it? I don't love any of this.
Speaker 2:All I can say as a person that I enjoy the stories, because not, it's not even really an enjoyment, it's. I am intrigued because, I don't think like any of these motherfuckers me that I've ever heard about. So it is intrigued. It's not, it's not. I really I don't know the right words because I don't think that way, and it is insane to me that there are people out there that think this way, like I can't even imagine that.
Speaker 1:He developed it when he was coming into an emotional state of sexuality.
Speaker 2:There are other people who are subjected to the same shit and turn out just fine. Yeah, so what was the key? Factor as to thinking oh, the only way I'm going to get my fucking jollies off is by raping and torturing and killing.
Speaker 1:My opinion right now trying to get acceptance from his father, that was dropping off some fucking garbage, but that guy was never around. No, I know he didn't get accepted. He wasn't there.
Speaker 2:Parents, god damn it, like we he wasn't there, parents.
Speaker 1:God damn it like we.
Speaker 2:Does that make sense? Yeah, our net. Our next recap episode, because we're not going to recap this series just yet because it's not over, so we're going to have a recap of something else that we watched, coming out wednesday another destroyed fucking human, yeah by a parent we just cannot wrap our minds.
Speaker 2:and I have children that had an awful father not jesse and they did the same thing. It's almost like, and what I, what I try to, uh, it's like a battered wife syndrome, but with children, yeah, it's like like not, I don't even want to say a stock, but it's similar. It's different levels, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And even on your side, the battered wife side.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had battered wife syndrome but I got out.
Speaker 1:There's different levels of what they call syndromes. You can't just.
Speaker 2:And it's insane to me you can't pinpoint a thing. And why I stayed? Because the only thing that I there was a part of that person that was good, but at the same time that was only like 25% of him. The other 75% was fucking evil. So why did I think that one 25% was going to stick around?
Speaker 1:You thought you could make it better Right, you thought you could change it.
Speaker 2:That's the whole horrific thing about relationships and either side you're facing the demon and thinking you can beat it and you can change it to make it better for you.
Speaker 3:Well, let's wrap this up so we can plug your band.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we're going to wrap up part one. I'm going to end with this. Okay Talk. David Parker Ray was now an employee at the elephant Butte state park by day, and it was also said I just said this a few minutes ago that he was a wonderful neighbor by night. He would seek out sex workers when they would offer their services. He would pull out a fake badge and tell them that they were under arrest for solicitation and then take them back to the toy box. Some women would be friends of Jesse's and some straight up just drugged and kidnapped. Some would be released the next day or a few days later and some would never be seen again which is literally what she was trying to drop to the fucking feds about.
Speaker 2:But that's what's crazy to me is she wanted to turn him in and then Now she's going along with it. Should have ran, yeah, but she dynamics between abusive parents and their children is insane to me how we I mean there will be, there'll be more down the road.
Speaker 1:Every parent, every parent that hears a podcast of this level needs to set their children down between the age of, we'll say, 12 and 15. We'll say 12 and 15, take the time and show them, in a healthy way, of what can become of somebody that has these situations and they can get out. Give them a way out, show them. Show them the way out, Even if you are around somebody that's horrific like this and you don't even know it. I mean, just just give them the knowledge that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2:It's the knowledge and david parker ray's situation. The only person that knew about his sick behavior was his sister, who was like all right, I'm gonna get the fuck away from him, and then his daughter, who was like all right, I'm gonna turn him in.
Speaker 1:And that didn't work, so she's like okay, well, now I'm just gonna fucking go along with it joy and join, and, and she's getting something off on it because she was raised into it just like he was. He was, it was given to him yep, and he didn't know anything different, except for now, that's, his infatuation of sexual activity.
Speaker 2:He had a devout christian grandfather which, honestly, when you're raised like that, you're either going to go along with it or you're going to veer far away from it, and so there's probably a defiance there yeah he was mad at his mom, he was mad at his dad, he was mad at his grandpa and time period and location and let me make this clear because we had a couple of comments on our youtube channel we are not in favor of killers at any time, ever Never.
Speaker 2:We just put the facts out there and try to dissect of how we think this person got to this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you hear me ramble, I'm drunk as fuck anyhow, so it don't count.
Speaker 2:And Jesse never has any idea of what I'm going to talk about, Like not an inkling. No, I don't count he prints out my scripts for me and everything. He does not look at them because he we want. That's part of our thing here is it's a natural organic reaction from Jesse. So don't ever think we are on a killer's side, except maybe that one time with Bernie Tita we're not. I mean, murder is never the answer. But at the same time it was like God damn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sometimes the killers are not even the killers, because we went through that with the Memphis.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the West Memphis three.
Speaker 1:Memphis thing yeah. And I mean there's still a lot of people out there that think those guys are guilty, and I don't know how this guy, this fucking guy, this fucking guy is disgusting.
Speaker 2:He's gross and we're going to. We are going to have a part two.
Speaker 1:We're going to. We are going to have a part two. We're going to talk about a few of his victims and how he so that conversation with your child, though. Let them know all about things, in a healthy way, of course, where they accept it and it's at their level. Whatever your child's level is at those ages, Let them know about things. That's what parents need to do, and we've done that with our own child. Here and there. I mean, we catch our child watching Jackass and stuff like that and they're doing crazy balls and dicks, fucking jokes and whatever. But we tell him that this is acting. This is not right. You don't even need to watch it, but then again I'll be over there laughing.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean shit.
Speaker 1:So that's unhealthy for an 11, 12, fucking, whatever you know the the age range is unhealthy. Our child is mature, but he has older brothers and older cousins, he knows all right.
Speaker 2:So we got to break this down for you. This is not real life.
Speaker 1:This is exactly that's what we go to paid content every time this person is paid to do these acting extreme disgusting things. Yeah, to me it's disgusting, I don't know he kind of got onto that because of YouTube and they let that shit play to anybody yeah, because he does have a kid's YouTube account. So but yeah, he found, he discovered, he discovered so many things.
Speaker 2:Well, and he has an discovered so many things and he has an older cousin you know that he's hung out with and, yeah, when they come over here and they're like check this out.
Speaker 1:The laugh, chuckle, chuckle. But we keep breaking it down to where this is not natural. You don't do this. This is not cool. You have to do that with any sibling. That started as his childhood and where he's, he's got this infatuation, addiction at that erotic pleasure of something that he wants to create this fucking building where he can do that.
Speaker 2:Well, that was introduced to him too, at that age where they are starting to have developmental shit going on developmental, sexual everything, everything I.
Speaker 1:It's uncomfortable for me to talk about, but stay in that pocket with your children a little bit. We're healthy in a healthy way. Teach them the right way, don't let them stray.
Speaker 2:But that is a very healthy yeah. To stay healthy as you can with your kids. Make sure that they know that there are certain things that are unacceptable and can be dangerous in life. That are unacceptable and can be dangerous in life, but at the same time, if you're an adult and you're consenting, your kinks are your kinks. It's whatever. Yes, as long as you're an adult and consenting and it's legal Period.
Speaker 2:So, with that being said, that is the end of part one of David Parker Ray, who is known as the Toy Box Killer, and we will return next week for part two. So now here comes the fun part. Jesse, what are you going to? What band are you going to plug today? I?
Speaker 1:have some amazing music to play.
Speaker 2:I'm so excited.
Speaker 1:Did you? Did you read it down here at the bottom? I didn't, so you're not allowed to read my notes on your notes, that way we don't.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I do, but I didn't.
Speaker 1:This band's from Taiwan, lindsay.
Speaker 2:Taiwan, yeah, okay. And I want to play them and what's their name, so I can find them on Instagram.
Speaker 1:Soulman, I have it written right here.
Speaker 2:You spelled it correctly.
Speaker 1:Yes, I've contacted them. I'm fixing to fuck Lindsay's World up with my band. It's my turn. I'm so fucking ready. These guys are amazing Female fronted. They're from Taiwan. Yes, I love female fronted. This song is called I'll Never Let Go and I will never let go of Soulman. You're going to fucking love it.
Speaker 2:I'm excited you tell me you're a penis in your life. Look me in the eye, release your rage, fuck everyone who lets you down, because I'm going to blow your mind. Shut up.
Speaker 3:Shut up Anger. This is my universe no way. Everything we share. What's the issue? Call the punches, spying, open reality and you see people suffer and you see world on fire. Chaos and criticism Everywhere. People suffer and it feels like we're on fire. Chaos and criticism everywhere. The anonymous gotta pray that we should Stop the cycle. Colonize shapes. What's the matter? Life won't last forever. Look at me in the eyes. You better recognize. Thank you. Eternal fight, external chaos. All you should realize. I am the boss. Take your place. Destroy universe no way. Every dimension. What's the age? I am the boss. Your face is drawing universe glowing Every day. We share what we get.
Speaker 3:You're gonna find just spying on fake reality. I'll let you see who I am. I'll let you see who I got. Look at me in the eyes. You better recognize Burning fire in your sight. Make me feel alive. You should know that I would never let it go. Have you seen all the scars? They've been torn apart. Ignore least a fear Egos, greed and pride. When we rise, we don't hide Till the stars are white. Till the stars are white. I guitar solo. We need a place to belong. Let our tribe fall. No one will be left alone, ready to break the wall. We all. This time, our place will be known. We all, so let our dreams fall. We all, no one would be left alone. We all Ready to break the wall. Look at me in the eyes. You'll never recognize the fire in your sight. Make me feel alive. You should know that I would never let it go. And the same old scars. They've been torn apart. Ignore the list of fear disappear. Egos freeze and fly, and we rise.
Speaker 1:We don't hide till the stars align. Lindsey, lindsey, holy shit, lindsey oh, that was amazing what do you think? Oh, my god, I love you guys I wish there was a video of us over here juking right now. We were over here dancing, so much, oh my God Soulman right.
Speaker 2:I love you guys. And you said it was three female singers.
Speaker 1:I think it's a six piece. Yeah, I think it's three. Yeah, I'm looking at the picture, those three females and three males in the band and they don't have a lot of followers.
Speaker 2:follow solman yeah, well, they're underscore tw yeah, you have on instagram.
Speaker 1:You have to look it up that way to find it.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's how I found them otherwise you have to know. I'm so glad that you had that in the notes you have to know some taiwanese yes, so female fronteded metal band from Taiwan. Oh my God, like I that is my shit right there? I aspire to this.
Speaker 1:Yes, I aspire to being a female. You back, I got to hit you back.
Speaker 2:Speaking of female, we need to look up the song that just came out with Amy Lee, Courtney Laplante and Poppy.
Speaker 1:We got to look that up and listen to that shit. Oh my God, amy Lee and Courtney are I've seen a little snippet of it. Amy's a little older than us, courtney's probably around our age. Our fucking music is inspiring.
Speaker 2:I think Amy might be like two years older than us. Not much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, poppy's pretty young, yeah, she's young, yeah, but pretty young. Yeah, she's young, yeah, but she's doing the damn thing like she's following all the footsteps of this metal. This fucking army metallica just took over a fucking serious, and I hate it, though, because I used to love me some fucking rock the bells and listen to fucking all the cool ass, fucking rap music from all that. They took away that station. Oh, plugged in. Fucking, yeah, they, they took it, they took it away. Lindsey, they took it, they took it away.
Speaker 2:Lindsay, they took it away.
Speaker 1:Well, they might bring it back. Yeah, hello, cool J. He should forever have a station on his XM.
Speaker 2:But back to them, back to our band.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So yeah, the poppy Back to our band. Sorry, we got ADHD Anyhow.
Speaker 2:If you haven't noticed by now, yeah, has has so much to. I was over here I had my eyes closed and just enjoying every second of that. I mean, that's my element, that's what I like, that's my your jam, my jam that that, that sound. It reminded me like I had, like I was feeling like the hanabi ginger the hanabi, um uh spirit box, um uh butcher babies. Like all I, I, like all. They have conjured all that sound and put it.
Speaker 1:In what I've seen in the videos, there's two females fronting it, another female playing guitar, and then three other males and drummer, another guitar bass player fog, they kill it. They kill it.
Speaker 2:Come, come to florida come to come to florida we want to see you. Yes, I want to see them I want to see them, like we have some of our bands that we've watched upcoming in a small venue.
Speaker 1:First, that's where I love it too. My drummer fucking hates it. You know that I love what, chris krails?
Speaker 2:you are a curmudgeon ass bitch.
Speaker 1:We love you, but you're a curmudge.
Speaker 2:Jesse and I love watching our up and coming bands in small venues, to start out, because it's like it's like we get a close personal connection with them. We have now saw Beartooth in small. We have saw Ginger in a small, very small, yeah, and then, of course, in another Ginger show we discovered Hannaby. And then we saw Courtney LaPlante literally play right after you did at Rockville like when Jesse played at Rockville. I literally said I love you. Bye, and I ran.
Speaker 2:I packed up real quick and ran and I grabbed a drink and some food, cause I was like I was famished and and I needed to get a little buzz. I ran to the stage to where spirit box was going to play their first performance at Rockville and they got it two years. I was on the rail and it was beautiful. I ate my jambalaya and drink whatever drink it was I bought. I don't even fucking know, and I almost passed out once, cause you know how I get with my blood sugars low and yeah.
Speaker 2:I almost passed out but I made it through and I got to enjoy Courtney theante on the rail at Rockville in a November November Rockville.
Speaker 1:Oh God, it was beautiful, it was gorgeous.
Speaker 2:It was wonderful. That was one of my favorite Rockvilles of all time. Well, duh, mine too yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, you played yeah.
Speaker 2:That was an exciting experience to be able to be backstage behind my man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they were putting me at Slipknot stage and I'm walked on Slipknot stage, I'm talking to managers and people that put all their shit together.
Speaker 2:I'm like I don't think this is our stage, bro. I'm not supposed to be here.
Speaker 1:Why are we here?
Speaker 2:That was a stressful day We've talked about in previous episodes. Go back, listen to our back catalog, but make sure you follow so men. Underscore tw on instagram and listen to their music. Follow us. Drink about something that site. Drink about something on instagram lindsey stand by jesse. Stand by on facebook. Drink about something. Underscore lindsey on tiktok. And we're gonna have more. We're going to put out some more content on there.
Speaker 1:For our 50th. I need to take the time and play all these fucking bands all together. We're going to have a back porch party. You're going to fucking come with us. We're going to have a full-on back porch party.
Speaker 2:I'm going to play all the bands that we played the first season.
Speaker 1:This will be episode 48, so we only got two episodes. The first season is just going to be music. We're going to do a podcast too, because you got to get your shit out. You got to fuck with me, but we're going to play bands. We're going to have a whole day back porch party and we're going to play bands.
Speaker 2:And that's right. That's the weekend before we leave for New England.
Speaker 1:It is, it's coming, it is.
Speaker 2:Holy is coming. It is holy shit, yeah, and the weather is cooling down. We get to surprise y'all with this cool ass place jesse has found and booked for us to stay at, where we would literally be covering true crime in a spot that true crime happened. Man, I'm excited in the bedroom of the woman the bedroom, the master bathroom okay, I'm not really I mean it's, it's the bedroom, but whatever dude, I don't know I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I'm excited, but I'm excited about playing all these bands too, and our first season's almost over, so all of our followers share to all of your peoples we're going to keep building this. We want to see it grow. It's growing, it's actually exploding.
Speaker 2:If you love us, tell somebody else, because they could love us too and we love you and we're gonna see you. On wednesday we're gonna have a little um special recap episode on a documentary that jesse and I watched. Fuck, and we gotta talk about it, yeah, and y'all y'all watched it, we know. So let's, we're gonna give y'all our opinion and our bullshit, uh, rant about everything that we yeah, pretty much see you wednesday and friday yes, we're going to see you Wednesday and Friday, and you got a part two of this coming up, which will be next Friday.
Speaker 1:We're excited and we will see you guys then.
Speaker 2:We love you so much I had to take a gulp. Bye.
