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DRUNK ABOUT SOMETHING ED GEIN RECAP

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The seltzers crack open, the laundry hums, and we dive straight into the story that haunts American horror: Ed Gein. Coming off a nine-day run through New England and a somber detour to Gettysburg, we trace the path from a Plainfield farmhouse to the birth of a cultural myth, focusing on the small, brutal truths that too many summaries skip. We talk about Augusta’s iron grip, the isolation that starved Ed of normal life, and the suspicion around Henry’s death that left him even more alone. Then we walk through the squalor, the grave robbing, and the mother-obsession that shaped his most disturbing acts—not to sensationalize them, but to understand the forces that pushed a damaged mind over the edge.

From there, we map how Hollywood picked up the pieces. Psycho, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Silence of the Lambs didn’t copy Gein; they transformed the raw material into stories about control, identity, and terror. We compare what each got right, what they invented, and why those choices still shape how people think about real cases. Along the way, we weigh schizophrenia and dissociation as reported in Gein’s case, keep a clear line between explanation and excuse, and talk honestly about the officers who walked into that house and carried its aftermath for years.

The road-trip energy sneaks in, too—Lizzie Borden’s house, the hush of Gettysburg’s fields, and the way music and history can deepen empathy for victims. It’s a conversation that blends research, reflection, and a few raw laughs to keep us grounded while we handle heavy material. If you want a thoughtful, unflinching look at how abuse, isolation, and illness intersected with one of the bleakest chapters in true crime—and how that chapter echoed through film and TV—this one’s for you.

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SPEAKER_01:

Hey Jesse. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello.

SPEAKER_00:

Hello.

SPEAKER_02:

Hello.

SPEAKER_00:

Sorry, guys. So um we're a little well, I can't say jet lagged. Um, we're car lagged because we just pulled in not too long ago from our nine-day trip to New England. So I look a little rough, and but that's okay. It's whatever. This is natural because this is raw, uncut, and unedited recap with Jesse and Lindsay.

SPEAKER_01:

You're kicking ass. We're kicking ass. We're back in Florida finally.

SPEAKER_00:

We are in Florida. We have been everywhere, but we're gonna have a whole episode recapping our trip. But real quick, so what we are drinking today, we got these in Gettysburg. Hold yours up.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, uh Appalachian Brewing Company. Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Awesome. It's called Trinity Flavors Skinny Orange Crush. This is a vodka seltzer that we got in Gettysburg. So Gettysburg was kind of the last leg. We're gonna open them real quick.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, poppy pop. I'm with you. Was the last. Good, too. Now Hell Patters needs to get on this shit right here. It's good. It's so good. Cheers. Cheers.

SPEAKER_00:

Gettysburg was our last official stay on our very long trip. Um, but we did end up getting a room in South Carolina to break up the long stretch home because from Gettysburg to Lake City, Florida is 13 hours.

SPEAKER_01:

If you're ever in Gettysburg, hit this up right here.

SPEAKER_00:

And make sure you stay tuned for our recap of our trip and you will see why we didn't want to do that. So we have been all over New England and uh we're home, we're unpacked, we're doing laundry. We got the kid outside decorating our outside fridge with some stickers I got in the mail.

SPEAKER_01:

It's making it look beautiful. So if you hear some noise in the background, that's him.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's just him, raw, uncut and unedited. And I got this amazing Bucky's cup. She went to Bushies on the way home today. She went on down to Bush's because it says Bucky's put a spell on you, and it's so cute, and it glows in the dark. And I'm really happy with my cup for the Halloween season. And happy spooky season. Yes. Officially, we are in October. We're in October. October. We love October so much. Like, we are in an October state of mind year round, and we literally start Halloween in our house right at the first of September.

SPEAKER_01:

The best. And we got to go when we went to the house. We saw it was just the weather was foliage. All the leaves were starting to change.

SPEAKER_00:

Everything was I miss the weather already. We've been back for two hours, and I'm already like I've already sweat twice, and I miss the weather. I miss the weather up there.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we're wearing it again. It was just like up there, you're like the the air is thick, and it's like you're you're biting the air, but down here you're wearing the air.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, it's like your clothes.

SPEAKER_01:

It's like a second layer. It's like we just changed, but we didn't. You know, we just we got here, whole nother layer of just Florida is on us.

SPEAKER_00:

I got the burps. But this is really good. Like I said, skinny orange crush. We went into, like I said, we're gonna do a full recap of the trip, but we went into a couple of bars. So much to tell you. So much, and we're gonna we're gonna give y'all like recommendations for we're reconnecting. If you still see this, you gotta reconnect.

SPEAKER_01:

I think it's doing something. So there we go. Who knows?

SPEAKER_00:

We're having a little technical issues.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm not happy with this thing that we're trying out. I'm still learning it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we're still learning. We're still babies, we're still podcast babies. But um, we went to a couple of bars in Gettysburg. Well, technically three, because the place that we ate dinner at was also had a full bar. Full by. Can't wait to tell you about that. We'll tell you about the full by the full bye. So um, anyway, so this one was our last one for the night. And um, I was just like, Do you guys have seltzers? And she was like, Yeah. So I had what I had probably two there, and she was like, Do you want some to go? And I'm like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Here you go.

SPEAKER_00:

Just a few of them. And I just have to say, everybody was so nice. No rude people, period. Our whole trip. But we'll get into that.

SPEAKER_01:

We'll talk about all that next. We're today.

SPEAKER_00:

We're here to recap our episode on Ed Gean. So as of yesterday, because we're we're recording this on uh Saturday, October 4th. As of yesterday, now the series has come out on Netflix. We gotta we gotta watch it, and we'll probably recap that too.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm gonna watch it at night. I'm probably gonna crash the fucking.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah, yeah. We're gonna re-watch it though. We're gonna read we'll recap that series and see what we think about it. That'll be a good idea.

SPEAKER_01:

I think so.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. So, recapping my research and my uh my coverage on Edgeen. So, from Plainsfield, I'm sorry, I keep saying Plainsfield, but it's just Plainfield, Wisconsin. Okay, Wisconsin. In um, you know, he was born in I gotta re-look at my notes because it's been like two weeks. So he's born in very early 1900s. He was born in 06. It was well feels like I mean, just like two weeks. We recorded Lizzie Borden in Lizzie Borden's house.

SPEAKER_01:

So please, please before that, and all the trip and everything. It's just it feels like we haven't sat right here in forever. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, nine days is a long time to be away from your home. This is the longest we've been away from our house ever.

SPEAKER_01:

Since we moved in here.

SPEAKER_00:

Since we moved in here, the longest we've been away from our home. So it was very nice walking in the door today. I got all my nice, I got all my wax warmers going, my essential oils, candles.

SPEAKER_01:

Like she lamp and just got the fall going as soon as she came in. It's like, I need pumpkin everything.

SPEAKER_00:

Pumpkin, everything. We're reconnecting again. I hope you guys can still hear us.

SPEAKER_01:

I was like, I gotta, I gotta have 30 minutes, dude. I needed 30 minutes off the road, 30 minutes, something.

SPEAKER_00:

Lots of driving.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

So Ed was born in early 1900s, 1906, to be exact. And um, mom and pop, not that great a role model.

SPEAKER_01:

No, no.

SPEAKER_00:

George was an alcoholic and kind of a piece of shit. So because he was a piece of shit, Augusta kind of took the role as mama and daddy and at the same time.

SPEAKER_01:

He was like, he was she was kind of taking him on as like whatever she wanted him to be. Ed, you know, and it was just wasn't healthy.

SPEAKER_00:

No, how she was kind of babying the baby, and it was like well, so she wanted she wanted girls, and she ended up having two boys. So she was disappointed with Henry, older brother Henry. So she decided that she was going to make Ed what she wanted him to be. That's what I'm saying, yes. But she isolate, she wanted to isolate both of her children, like, which is insane. The isolation period will take a toll on you. Like, she didn't want them to have friends, and when they did get friends, she would badmouth them and their family.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and that was like the beginning of the whole salad, like everything was being created in that weird, like stripping away of humanity. Like they they they isolated them so much that they just did not know how to be part of society.

SPEAKER_00:

No, you know, along with the abuse from George, and I mean, and it was even said, I don't rem I'm not quite sure if I talked about this in the episode, but it was said that even when George would be abusive to Augusta, that she would belittle him in the middle of the abuse.

SPEAKER_02:

Really?

SPEAKER_00:

Like you're like calling him a piece of shit. And I'm not even gonna lie. Um I was in an abusive marriage a long time ago, and I was like that, and it wasn't because that was my way of fighting back, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

That was your way of trying to defend yourself, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, because I physically couldn't. I would try, I would try really hard physically, but verbally, I had it going on, and um Augusta was a horrible role model for Ed, and I don't want to defend her in any way, but I get it. I I get that part when you are being abused and being overpowered by a man, you do what you can to fight back.

SPEAKER_01:

You know? Maybe that was why she wanted to get away from everything and you know, keep him busy on the farm or away from her from being in the house, maybe.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, she, I mean, she oh god, I don't even know how to describe what she was like. She didn't she ever every woman was a heartlet, a whore. You know, I don't I don't want to use those words. Everybody was just bad. And that reminded me of Bobby Boucher's mom. Everything was the double. We talked about that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But that's and that's all I could picture. That's all I could picture. Every time I would hear from them, they're the devil.

SPEAKER_01:

They're a heartlet.

SPEAKER_00:

By the way, if you did not listen to the episode, go back and do it. But I'm gonna go ahead and recommend the book in our recap here, Deviant. Um, I believe was it Harold Scheckter? Did I say that?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I'm gonna look it up. That's what you said.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, please. Um, Harold Scheckter's books are amazing, by the way. He's a great historian. Um, but Deviant by Harold Scheckter, if you're really into this shit and you really want to go deeper and deeper.

SPEAKER_01:

On into the salad, yes. I mean, the the creation I'm excited of what he became was just I'm excited to watch Netflix's coverage and to see how it ties into what we're what we talked about. Right. Well, yeah. That's that's the fun. And we actually listened to some podcasts while we were driving and doing our trip. I was like, Lindsay. We listen to so many. Put on something that we've done before, that way we can hear their the contrast of what we've talked about as well. I love that. That is really awesome. And then being able to hear, because I don't I'm not a I don't listen to podcasts. I don't I don't listen to them. But you did this trip. I'm not per Lindsay, I'm not supposed to, because I might catch something she's gonna talk about. So I I really enjoyed that, you know, and that was really fun. It made the trip so much better. So if you're driving, people check out some podcasts. I mean, it's it is amazing for traveling anywhere or doing anything. You know, if you're doing housework or working out, exercising, whatever you want. I mean, if you have something where you have some time and you want to get away from what's around you, there you go. You can dive into that. Somebody rattling on just like we're doing right now. It's just it was it really made it, it was really nice.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, especially because we listened to the most on our trip home, and I'm telling you, it flew by like that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we didn't even know we were doing it. No, no, I was tired driving, white knuckling, going through Manhattan and all the shit, but we got through it like I mean, I battled some dragons, dude, on that trip. You did too. Yeah. So thank you for that, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00:

But we were listening to um the last podcast boys coverage on Lizzie as we were going into New York, and I swear it made everything better.

SPEAKER_01:

It made it, yep. Even though they're talking we're here. We're we just pulled in, and it was just like, ah, I just I just fucking I just did that.

SPEAKER_00:

Like nuts, man.

SPEAKER_01:

They're funny as hell. I love it.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I want to say we can't talk over each other on this because it will it cancels each other out. Have you noticed that? Oh, yeah, when you're talking at the same time I'm talking, it mutes one of us. Oh so that's why I'm like So it's like in and out fade and all.

SPEAKER_01:

So you're feeling funky about me uh chiming in there.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, it's only on this app on the riverside.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's that's that's what I'm saying. I'm learning the I'm learning the I'm learning the uh the app lingo on this thing. But I'm new. I'm new to this.

SPEAKER_00:

So we're gonna try not to cancel each other out. So, anyways, back to Ed. So he uh, you know, he deals with isolation. He can't have friends, he can't have girlfriends. Next thing you know, he's a grown-ass man, still living at home. So is Henry, his brother. And um, first his dad passes away. And I don't even know that that might have been a relief for their family in in the long run. And so Ed and Henry, they pick up odd jobs to support the farm, support the family. They had a huge, huge farm. And Ed almost got away. He, I mean, just almost. I mean, he was like this close. He goes off and he tries to, or he was drafted, actually, but he didn't pass the draft test because he had a growth over one eye. And you will know, you'll you'll see if you look at pictures, if you uh watch the um the series on Netflix or any other documentaries on him and the shows the pictures, he had one eye that was a little like like this. Like both of my eyes are lazy right now because I'm tired. But um, yeah, one was a little shut, so it impaired his vision, and you can't have uh vision impairments while you're in the military.

SPEAKER_01:

That would have been for WW too.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. My dad tried to join the military. Um, it was right at the end of Vietnam, and he couldn't because he had vision impairments, and that broke his heart. My dad wanted to be in the military so bad, and that was that was really sad for him because of his vision impairments. He's very nearsighted and has um macular degeneration. So, anyway, so Ed almost got away, but unfortunately, because of his vision impairments, he was not able to go off and leave Plainfield.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So he's stuck at home with mama. So then Henry tries to get out. He's he's gonna he meets him a girl, and he's trying to get married and move away. And um Ed has now been so isolated and almost brainwashed. Well, yeah, it is brainwashing to the point where he doesn't understand why Henry wants to leave. And Henry tells him your relationship with our mother and your feelings towards our mother are not normal. And uh, because our mother's kind of a bitch, and she doesn't want us to leave home, which is not normal. It's not normal. Let your let your kids go, let them fly. Um, so Henry mysteriously dies. You can chime in now if you want to.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm thinking, I know, but I don't want to keep going over top, but um, yeah, I think it's it's like you said, the the Bobby Boucher type situation, really, you know. And Vicky Valencourt might show up.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, um, there is a um, so there was a woman. I don't I didn't talk about her in the episode because it ended up being bullshit. There was a woman that came forward um after everything happened, every after everything went down, who said she was in a relationship with Ed Geen, but it ended up being bullshit. She was just, yes, she was just wanting the attention. And I think that they put that in the story in Netflix, just from trailers that I've saw. I'm not sure yet. I haven't watched it. Um, but we will, and we'll talk about it later on.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe she's seen his deputy dog sheets hanging out there and he had pee on them.

SPEAKER_00:

Grody. I posted pictures of what his house looked like after he was found out, and it was terrible. So Henry's gone now. It's just now it's just mama and Ed. And then Mama gets sick, she has a stroke. She kind of gets better a little bit, and Ed goes to do a straw purchase from another farmer, and Augusta insists that she goes along because she doesn't trust Ed to make the right negotiations for pricing. So when they go to this man's house, this other farmer, he is literally beat trigger warning, animal animal abuse. He is beating a dog, and he ends up killing this dog. And a woman comes out of the house that is not married to this farmer, and a gut to stop him from beating this dog.

SPEAKER_01:

And mama was just she didn't really give a shit about the dog at all. Only thing she cared about was the harlot. The harlot that was not supposed to be there in that relationship.

SPEAKER_00:

They were not married.

SPEAKER_01:

They weren't married.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my god, burn it down.

SPEAKER_01:

All the pearls.

SPEAKER_00:

This makes her so angry that she literally has another stroke and dies.

SPEAKER_01:

And die.

SPEAKER_00:

And die. She she dies. That's from Waterboy. Okay. Yeah, we get the references in the second part.

SPEAKER_01:

And it is it is brilliant that you brought that. Did anybody else bring that shit in?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh God, really? No. About it. When I was listening to the book Deviant, that's all I could picture was Mama Boucher.

SPEAKER_02:

Like brilliant.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And then I was like, and then I wanted to hear play a horse neighing in the back or a donkey. Was it a donkey or a horse? Mama's got the brain pain.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh. So Ed's all alone now. All alone. And he's he's got this big farmhouse, and it just becomes complete, horrifically.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, not only that.

SPEAKER_01:

In squalor.

SPEAKER_00:

We're reconnecting. Reconnecting. Well, I don't know if we're still recording.

SPEAKER_01:

That's what we're talking about this app. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

We all know.

SPEAKER_01:

But it's still recording, it's counting.

SPEAKER_00:

So Ed, he is schizophrenic, but he will not be diagnosed for some time. Um, so he goes further into his mind. And I haven't been around a lot of schizophrenics. I've seen the behavior, especially when you go to big cities and you're on the street, you see it. We sink it. Um, I did have a friend that I went to high school with who lives in Philadelphia. We were just there. Um he was diagnosed with it probably about 15 years ago. And um he said it was something like like something popped in his brain when when uh after and after that like the voices started. And I just feel like Ed Geen's brain should have been studied more later on um to help. I don't know if there's ever gonna be a help understanding why he would go on, huh? So many dynamics. So many. I don't know how I don't even know how to describe what I feel about that without sounding morbid or macabre, but I want to know why people end up like him. I want to know why. I want to know what happens up here because I don't think like that. And I've been through some shit, I've been through some awful shit, but there's way more people out there who have been through more awful shit than I have, but and I don't think that way. I don't I don't ever want to hurt somebody. Um but then he starts grave robbing, um and he's stealing the skin off of the off of the dead and making creations out of it. Making creations, making I I I do say making arts and crafts because we are um, you know, we try to be on the lighter side of things. We're not trying to dumb down the crimes, but we're just trying to make it more lighthearted. So he's making some arts and crafts um with these graves, with with these people that he is robbing, because he wants to create a suit. He wants to be a woman.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

More specifically, he wants to be his mother. And what are your thoughts on that? What are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, my thoughts. A little bit of goodbye horses on that one. Yeah. So many movies. So many movies were tied into what you know it it created, it it was like 15 movies. We we talked about a bunch of them, and I think there's way more that you're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, he was an inspiration for a lot of movies, but you're A-rated, you know, were Leatherface, uh, well, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, um, Silence of the Lambs. What else did I say?

SPEAKER_01:

House of a Thousand Corpses.

SPEAKER_00:

House of a Thousand Corpses. Um, there's another one. Oh, so he was the inspiration for Garland Green in Conair.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And um, hold on, I have it listed right here. Psycho. Psycho. That was the first one that was made. Um in his I don't want to say memory, but in his um, or not, I don't even want to say in his honor, but he was horrific inspiration. Horrific inspiration. I'll say it like that. Yes. And um, yeah, I like and I like both psychos a lot. Yeah. I really love the one with Vince Vaughn because I like Vince Vaughn a lot, and I love the fact that he can do horror and I mean he's really fucking funny and really fucking scary.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Like all at the same time.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, he can do it. It's genius. Yeah, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00:

But um, so after the grave robbing for quite some time, um he's also living in squalor, and he's only eating pork and beans. That's his dinner. And he's eating them out of some very uh personal handcrafted bowls.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Which, if you wanna find out more about that, listen to the full episode. Um the whole thing. And then he ends up committing a couple of murders, which end he end up getting him caught, um, found out about and these the these poor I don't sympathize with law enforcement a lot in cases that I cover, but in this instance, it was a career-ending experience, and they did it in the dark in a house with hanging things.

SPEAKER_01:

So, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Whew.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Like I was I felt icky.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm over here looking at her like I'm like side-eyeing the whole time she's telling a story because it's like I'm reconnecting with all the shit that you dumped on me in the middle of it. It was so bad.

SPEAKER_00:

And I couldn't believe that Jesse didn't know about the nipple belt. Like, that's one of the most uh famous artifacts. Did not know about the nipple belt. That's one of the most famous artifacts that have been talked about um over the year.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so Wisconsin, they have the nipple belt, and down south we have the Bible belt.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, today um I'm I'm part of several groups that talk about true crime, mysteries, everything like that. And of course, they were blowing up the uh the Netflix um Ed Gean story. And uh one woman was like, it hits a little different when you live 20 minutes from where he lives.

SPEAKER_01:

Drive by that farm all the time. Yeah. And it was good that after everything was over with, they you know, the house burned down.

SPEAKER_00:

Mysteriously burnt down.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

So I hit the table. Raw, uncut, unedited. Where's this? This is stuff we usually edit out, but I hit the table and now I kind of hurt my hand a little bit.

SPEAKER_01:

That was the spirit of Ed.

SPEAKER_00:

The spirit of Ed. But you know what? Um, like I don't want to elaborate on this too much because we are gonna talk about in another episode. But I have to say, staying in a home where two people were murdered, I did not uh feel that much bad energy.

SPEAKER_01:

But where did you feel the bad energy, Miss Lindsay, on our trip?

SPEAKER_00:

Gettysburg.

SPEAKER_01:

It was thick, it was thick goodness gracious. And I took her for a drive around like the battlefield just checking out some.

SPEAKER_00:

But the night before, he and I uh because we took my our sist my my sister-in-law, his sister, on the trip with us. So she stayed in the room with our boy so that we could go have a few drinks.

SPEAKER_01:

We needed some relaxed some Gen Z time.

SPEAKER_00:

And uh so we and I was all the driving, and my body is used to exercise. I mean, I'm still a big girl, but I exercise every day when I'm at home, and I needed extra exercise. I needed more walking. So we were like, let's walk. So we walked by this field, and I felt like I felt, I was like, whoo, whoo. And Jesse's like, well, that's part of that's part of where it was.

SPEAKER_01:

We was probably a few hundred feet away from where Pickett did his big charge. And yeah, his historically, there's I mean, just on that battlefield alone, it's it's insane how many people perished. And I consider all that true crime. I I feel like, you know, the I understand and I support what the North had done, but the South being forced into that, well, people just being forced into that, you know, especially at a young age and everything, you know, it's pretty criminal to me.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so Jesse is the historian here when it comes to war. And uh like I can tell you about murder and and and mystery all day long, but when it comes to war, this is your guy. Yeah, well he told me while we drove through the Gettysburg Loop, he told me so much. And when you know Excuse me, what a lot of these people went through, like say, like tell them how many how how far they would walk and then have to be there and fight.

SPEAKER_01:

And then they had like a 30-minute, you know, that's the uh the the Virginia regiment. And then I I took you up on the hill and said, well, this regiment only had like 250 people, but he took all 250 of them and made them just go die just because. You know, it's like that's crime, you know. Yeah, you might be a general or doing some shit, whatever, but to know for a fact that these people are gonna die when you walk march them on this field, you know, it that's pretty fucking criminal to me.

SPEAKER_00:

I gotta look up a TikToker real quick before I talk about what I was gonna talk about next. Hold on. So I'm gonna do a little story time real quick while I'm looking this up. Ooch. Um let me turn this down. Um so we're listening to podcasts on the way. And we I I I wanted him to listen to um True Crime Obsessed's coverage on the Shut Up and Sing documentary about the Dixie chicks, and I'm gonna fucking cry just sitting here talking about it about everything that they went through after Natalie Maines said what she said in England, which I back up a hundred percent. Um and so the song Travelin' Soldier was in my head, and then when we get back to the room, I don't even think I hearted at Jesse. What's wrong with me? That is it on my repost. I don't know. Hold on, give me just a second, guys.

SPEAKER_01:

I've stayed off social media through the whole trip, so I don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, there's a couple that I follow on TikTok that um listen to songs that they've never listened to, and they listened, it was crazy because we had listened They were so cute too.

SPEAKER_01:

We did watch that fucking cute. Yeah, I didn't catch their name.

SPEAKER_00:

So the night before, we had uh watched them listen to Earl Had to Die. Or Earl uh yeah, Earl Had to Die. For the first time. And then we go, we're we're this that was in New York, and we leave New York and we go to Gettysburg. And while we're in Gettysburg, and he's telling me all about this history, while we're laying in bed in Gettysburg, I pull up and they're listening to Travel and Soldier for the first time. I'm sobbing because we're in, and then I'm I'm thinking about what he told me. I gotta stop. I'm gonna cry. Okay. And then we had listened to that recap of the documentary and the Dixie Chicks and Natalie Maine's voice.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I'm not it's harrowing. It is.

SPEAKER_00:

It is beautifully like I I I am. I mean, I was telling him around the time that they took their hiatus, which was in 2003, I think, 2003 or 2004, um, for a while, because of everything. Like she made a statement that she had no idea was gonna get the backlash that it did because she was that they're anti-war. But I'm gonna tell y'all something right now. Natalie Maines is a beautiful human being. She helped Damian Eccles. I'm gonna cry. I'm trying not to clown. I'm trying not to. She helped, she was part of Damian Eccles' entourage on helping get him get out of prison for something that he didn't do. And that's just that's a beautiful person to me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

When you're you're you got all this fame and you've got all these resources, and you help this little guy from Arkansas get off death row, like that's just that's something that is yeah, and well, and and to to give you a break real quick, Lindsay, I mean it's crazy how like politics can really shift, you know? And you watch it shift week to week, especially, you know. Uh honestly, you can't point out a time where it hasn't been just completely a brain fuck. And that's why I when it comes to politics. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm not on any side, I'm anti-political.

SPEAKER_01:

Are we free speech? Are we not free speech? Can I say what I want to or can I not? You know what I'm saying? Like, if you get big enough, it just depends, you know?

SPEAKER_00:

It does.

SPEAKER_01:

But it it shouldn't. It shouldn't. We should be able to say whatever the fuck we want, no matter which way. I mean, if we have our own opinion, that's our our platform, you know? And they're just a band. And they actually stepped away from being country music. They were like, can we just be like a little bit more, you know, kind of rock and roll. Whatever we want to be. What we want to be, or are, you know. I was I kept saying like a Stevie Nix, you know, but I think they said a Bruce Springsteen or something like that. They wanted to be like something, they wanted to kind of step an edge a little bit away from from the the typical thing, you know, and they would just the art, you know, they finally got everything together, all the people, all the parts of the band was just number one hits, you know. They had that their album release was just like top of the charts and they're doing amazing. So don't let anything hold you back. And I I think there was just too many people that were trying to dive in the middle of that, that that were stripping away their fucking rights, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, they were on tour in London and that was around the same time that we went to war with Afghanistan, correct?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it was Iraq. Yeah, they did the yeah, I think it was the uh it was during George Storm.

SPEAKER_00:

George W. Bush. No, it wasn't Desert Storm. It wasn't? No, uh it was the ne was it was it oh my god, we're s yeah, we're behind the times. Anyway, it was the war that broke out in 2002, 2003.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, yeah. I was half-ass paying attention driving.

SPEAKER_00:

And she had every right to say what she said. And no, because guess what? People talk bad about every president, and just because he made moves during a time where our country had been under attack, um, doesn't mean that she didn't have the right to say that then. She has the right to say it now. She had the right to say whatever she wanted to say, period. And she did not have any clue that it was going to hurt their career and put death threats on her head whatsoever. But I just thought that that was a very uh it was it it it like all came together for us because we had listened to that documentary recap, we had listened to those, those, that couple listen to those that song for the first time while we're in Gettysburg, and I was just I was sobbing because that the energy in Gettysburg, the um the feeling, the thickness, and you just think about all these kids, there was children in that war. There were people who didn't I I mean it was just it was really horrific. It was it was horrific. It was horrific. Oh the civil war was terrible.

SPEAKER_01:

Just structure of that conflict, you know, with our own country. It was it was horrible.

SPEAKER_00:

And I just felt so much sadness while we drove around the next morning, just me and him through this loop where all those monuments and the memorials are set up. And by the way, Pennsylvania's I mean, uh uh Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, period. It's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful countryside. The the the most beautiful I've I've seen. Yeah, and um, but yeah, you just like that. I and while we're driving around, that song was just playing in my head.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow.

SPEAKER_00:

But then I had already put on my makeup and my lashes. I was gonna play it, but I was like, no, I don't want to sob right now because I would have, I would have just stopped.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm talking about something horrific right here. So and I'm standing at a spot where a guy was blown apart with a cannon, and then another guy got killed and laid on top of him in the middle of the battle. I'm talking about Lindsay, I'm standing right here on this rock where that happened. It's a lot to take in, and I was I felt it like I really felt it as soon as I came over that hill into Gettysburg. I was like, here we are, you know, because I felt it before when I'd I'd been through there, I stopped at a McDonald's there years ago, and I was like, I have to come back to this town. But I felt it then. It was just like whoosh, you know, you just feel like as soon as you're in the presence of that area where you know the biggest and most horrific thing that's happened in North and South America, you know? And um what really got me was whenever I was trying to North and South United States, yeah. Well, uh the whole North and South America is the biggest recorded horrific battle that's ever happened. Yeah. The single most horrific battle in in the northern and southern American continents. Yeah. So I was just like, whoa. But it didn't really hit me hard until I started picking up the the used bullets that they had found on that field. And I was like, I was searching through, I was like, okay, I'm gonna get some of them that weren't shot, you know, some of the big bullets that weren't shot, and I bought some for just to have some. But the ones that were picked up from that field, uh, it hit me then. Like, and I don't know if you see me over there when I was picking up the little trinkets and things before we left, but that really hit me. It's like, what did that bullet actually do? You know?

SPEAKER_00:

But we're gonna talk about that more in our New England trip recap. Um, but to wrap up Edgeen, so lots of horrific things were found in his home. Um, and he was eventually during his trial and proceedings, he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He was a very sick man. Um I don't like I I don't want anybody to misinterpret that I sympathize with anybody that does things like this, but his situation was really sad to me. Really sad. And I I I I I I'm trying to find my wording here, but I really do blame the mother in this situation. Um, I don't feel like he had any other um option in life, and his opportunity to get out was taken away from him. I agree, but there are many other human beings that go through the same thing that do not do what he did at all, and that's why I feel like he's a person whose brain should have been studied. What was in there that because it's horrific to go and and he would even say that he did most of his acts in a disassociative state, that his obsession with his mother when he did his murders came into play. Um, because these women reminded him of his mother, and why were these harlots allowed to be alive and his mother was gone and left him here all his his whole family died within a five-year span. Right. All of them, everybody gone, nobody else.

SPEAKER_01:

And I agree because he didn't have a chance to become a decent human being and and and to be part of society and learn how to coexist with other people because he was so oppressed and held down by mama. So there's the salad on that for sure.

SPEAKER_00:

By the way, I'm done with that. Appalachian Spirits is the name. I just found it on the can here. But if you guys are ever in that area, make sure you get one of these if you are a Celsius enthusiast, a seltzer enthusiast like I am.

SPEAKER_01:

They're good.

SPEAKER_00:

But make sure you listen to our coverage on Ed Gean. We've got Lizzie Borden coming out on Friday. And watch the Netflix series. We're excited to watch it. We're probably gonna watch it this week, like when I get off work. That's gonna be our night, our nighttime for show. Now, they did such a good job on uh Jeffrey Dahmer that I couldn't even finish it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we hope that we can. Oh, we're gonna come back around to it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, because I'm gonna eventually cover Jeffrey Dahmer.

SPEAKER_01:

And um need to watch that until we do that. That way I'm not like fresh on the Dahmer stuff. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

That's gonna be later on, way later on. I've got so many cases to cover. Um for the month of October, I'm gonna be covering a lot of um cases that Ed and Lorraine Warren were involved in, and then we're gonna talk about them a lot. So stay tuned for that. Stay tuned for Lizzie Borden, and stay tuned for recap on our New England trip. I promise you it's gonna be good. Just listen, tune in because I mean it's and like I said, we're gonna give recommendations for places to visit, for hotels to stay at, for restaurants to eat at. You want you want this information. I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, made shit ahead of you.

SPEAKER_00:

This was the planner, the main driver. I did help out.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, but when we were up there, I had I have really bad anxiety, and there's a lot of bridges and tunnels. And I'm just glad that I wasn't driving during the uh times that I had little attacks because that wouldn't have been good for anybody in the car. So I commend you, sir. Yes. You are us you are an absolute driving soldier.

SPEAKER_01:

A traveling one.

SPEAKER_00:

Traveling. Oh, don't talk about it. I'm gonna cry again. Let's wrap this up.

SPEAKER_01:

We'll see you guys Friday, though. Stay tuned, and we have so much for season two. It's gonna be amazing.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And I don't know what we have because I don't know shit about fuck.

SPEAKER_00:

I get well, I gave a little, I gave a little hint right there.

SPEAKER_01:

I get it. I get it.

SPEAKER_00:

So Lizzie Borden's next, and then stay tuned for about three cases that Ed and Lorraine am I saying Ed and Lorraine Warren were involved in.

SPEAKER_01:

Lizzie's gonna drop bombs on me this whole fucking season. Okay, I'm ready.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. We love you guys so much. Keep please keep listening. We love you. We love your support. Yes. So much. And I'm sorry I look like shit, but it's been a day. We drove a lot. But we're relaxing now, and we're gonna sign off and keep doing laundry because there's a lot of it. Yep. Catch up with lots of it. Yes. Oh, and like and support all the bands that we have gone through so far and uh or that we have featured so far. And um, I'm gonna get a I did not do this in our 50th episode where we recapped all the music, but I also want to recap all the books that I have listened to because I want to give those authors credit. Okay, because they really helped me out with my research.

SPEAKER_01:

So you can find that on Spotify too. Drink About Something season one.

SPEAKER_00:

That's amazing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So if you have Spotify, you can listen to every single band that we played. So if you're into the music part of it, you can get on Spotify and check it out.

SPEAKER_00:

But we love you guys, and we'll see you on Friday. Or actually, we'll see you for the next recap. But listen on Friday. Yes. Bye.

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