SPEAKER_01: 0:01

Hey Jesse. Hey. Hey, uh, hey. Hello.

SPEAKER_00: 0:07

I think I can have my headphones on. I'm gonna take this off first, but hey, we're in October. And in honor of Edgeen, ooh, I don't should I say that? I don't want to get canceled. Okay, so in um Not in honor. Here we go. We're wearing Silas's uh this makes you want to do the little tongue thing. We're wearing Silas's leatherface uh mask just for a few seconds here. We are October we are in October. And we gotta be goofy and scary for just a minute. And then we're gonna take these off. This is raw, uncut, and unedited. Jesse, what you drinking?

SPEAKER_01: 0:48

Um something vista bay that we had in the fridge. I hadn't even popped it yet, uh.

SPEAKER_00: 0:54

I am also I'm having a lime vista bay in this really pretty Jesse puppy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00

So pretty.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02

Okay, I got a master coming off.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05

I might leave mine on, dude. I feel like I fit in the par here. Hang on. Hang on there, huh? Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13

I think I just ripped off my eyelash.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16

William Eyelash. William Defoe Eyelash the third.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20

Alright, so now here we go. There we go.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25

I mean, I feel like goofy here. I feel like a goofy goober here. It's kinda cool, man.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32

Kind of goofy goobers.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34

Kind of cool goofy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35

I don't know if I'm gonna be able to wear a hat with my headphones on. Can you hear me, sir?

SPEAKER_01: 1:45

I ain't hearing nothing, but I don't care.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47

Alright. You need to take that off because we got a 30-minute episode to record here.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54

Okay. Alright.

SPEAKER_00: 1:56

I don't think this is gonna work with headphones.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58

Lindsay wanted to play.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59

Yeah. I can't hear you or myself.

SPEAKER_01: 2:02

Hang on.

SPEAKER_00: 2:03

Let's get the sound adjusted now that we've uh good.

SPEAKER_01: 2:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 2:07

Here, give me him. Give me him.

SPEAKER_01: 2:10

Okay. I can hear myself now. Okay. I couldn't hear fuck.

SPEAKER_00: 2:13

Here, Silas. Come grab these. We're doing put them back in the mannequin head. This is uh getting information. Well, um first of all, the mannequin heads are right over here.

SPEAKER_01: 2:26

To say Ed Gean. So I think when you say Edgeen and you'll go.

SPEAKER_00: 2:30

I can't hear. I can't hear me. I can't hear me.

SPEAKER_01: 2:34

What about now?

SPEAKER_00: 2:36

Uh hello, hello. Can y'all hear me? Uh you're not gonna answer. No, they can. Yeah. So here we go. There you go. Witch goofing.

SPEAKER_01: 2:46

Which witch boof gootin. Is that good?

SPEAKER_00: 2:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 2:50

Your your audio is right.

SPEAKER_00: 2:52

My audio is right. Okay. I can see. I'm pretty sure I pulled off half production. It's a production. You can't see my face that close. Yeah. So it's a production. Yeah. Welcome to uh Drunk About Something. Raw, unedited, and uncut recap. And today we're gonna recap Lizzie Borden.

SPEAKER_01: 3:11

Oh, that that was the place that we stayed at the thing that you made me do.

SPEAKER_00: 3:15

And you made me recap our whole uh vacay on our next video. Um, but Jesse. Yeah, so I told him that we were gonna cover Lizzie Borden in Lizzie Borden's house, and he booked it, did the whole thing, had no idea what happened in that home.

SPEAKER_01: 3:36

And it was it was really hard to not pay attention to all the stuff that was just cascaded upon my own.

SPEAKER_00: 3:43

Well, when you walk in, because you gotta oh my god, you gotta check in in the evening. So when you walk in, um it looks just pretty much like a a spooky bed and breakfast, but until you see the bodies hanging out. There's a couple of them. Jesse. Jesse sat right by Andrew. He he did know. How did you feel? How did you feel about that, sir?

SPEAKER_01: 4:20

Lancy. What? Why? Did we okay? You loved it. I did. I had a great time. I did. I did. So we showed up a little early before check-in time. It was like six o'clock. And we went next door, which was that I was like, dude, we gotta talk to this guy next door. And it was closed, but he opened up and he's like, come on in, you know, and talk and told us about so many cool things. And then he's like, there's a Portuguese restaurant over here. You need to go do that. And I was like, Portuguese food, dude? I'm down.

SPEAKER_00: 4:52

Fall River Grill. So good. Ask for Natalia.

SPEAKER_01: 4:56

So good. And and and everybody's like, dude. Like my sister and then Lindsay was like, Look at these girls, they got, they're they're so beautiful. And I was like, Yeah, and I was and then I started doing the cake thing. I was like, look at all the cake.

SPEAKER_00: 5:08

And Lindsay's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 5:11

Lindsay's like pointing out the cake.

SPEAKER_00: 5:12

But I liked it.

SPEAKER_01: 5:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 5:14

Um, but at the same time, we don't want to objectify women.

SPEAKER_01: 5:17

We didn't.

SPEAKER_00: 5:18

No.

SPEAKER_01: 5:18

I don't think we did.

SPEAKER_00: 5:19

No, she was super nice, super sweet.

SPEAKER_01: 5:21

Beautiful, beautiful, nice people. And the food was amazing. And I did flirt a little bit so I could get a long island iced tea. To go. And I told I told Lindsay, I was like, I know this isn't cool for me to say this, but I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna be like kind of just goof booting a little bit, you know. And so I was like, you know, Long Island Iced tea, that'd be cool if you can do one to go. And she's like, okay, that's okay. And it was really cool. Really cool. We got done eating, and then we came back and checked into Lizzie's.

SPEAKER_00: 5:52

I'm sorry, I had to turn off these the vibration because it was buzzing on the counter. Checked in, got up into the room, you know, everything loaded in, and Lindsay's like, don't walk around, don't look at shit, don't blah blah blah, and I'm like, Because there was crime scene photos and things like that that he could see, and I was like, I gotta tell you this story before you explore the house. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 6:13

But we had already kind of we had to walk through the living room and the or the setting area and all that. So there's a couch, and I'm just like hanging out, and there's like this mannequin thing all laid over. Like, you know, I'm like, Lindsay, what am I doing here?

SPEAKER_00: 6:25

And if you uh follow us on Instagram, I did post that video yesterday. Yeah, yesterday. Yeah, Friday, October 10th.

SPEAKER_01: 6:32

Uh so I didn't know. And and then we went upstairs and then you destroyed me. Destroyeth. You met some cool people there too?

unknown: 6:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 6:41

Oh my gosh. Everybody's like-minded, like they're having fun, and she's telling the story. Well, tell the story a little bit.

SPEAKER_00: 6:50

Well, one couple that um was there, we'll say we had just came from Salem to Fall River, and then they were leaving Fall River to go to Salem. So, like, and uh Silas actually befriended that couple, they were super sweet. They did the they did the breakfast package. I think they were the only ones.

SPEAKER_02: 7:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 7:09

Because we just went next door to the coffee shop, and um, I'm gonna talk about these uh panic attacks more in our vacation recap. But due to panic attacks I had had, I was limiting my caffeine and I was really sad because I wanted to try some of their coffee. But I did get a cranberry orange muffin, it was delicious. Silas got chocolate chip. What did you get? Did you get coffee?

SPEAKER_01: 7:34

Yeah, I got a coffee from there, and that was it.

SPEAKER_00: 7:36

And then um sister-in-law got one of their croissants and said it was the best, flakiest croissant she had ever had. So she got she got a croissant sandwich. But okay, so recapping Lizzie. Hold on, we gotta get the boy out of the room. Bye.

SPEAKER_01: 7:55

Your what? He's looking for his cup.

SPEAKER_00: 7:57

Oh, you put it in the fridge. Your oogie boogie? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 8:07

You know what's funny? The mask that we were wearing, Silas knows all about.

SPEAKER_02: 8:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 8:12

That's kind of funny. And the the you know, the the bad part about it is we didn't lead him to that. He found all this on his own. He just could not get away from it. He was his infatuation.

SPEAKER_00: 8:22

Oh, and he has the best time when we take him to horror cons.

SPEAKER_01: 8:25

Well, okay, we led him to that.

SPEAKER_00: 8:27

Oh, yeah, yeah. But I mean, we took yeah, we did, we did the we did one by ourselves and then we took him to three more.

SPEAKER_01: 8:33

Yeah, and growing up, these kids like, I mean, we ran hot at houses and everything, so we were around all this stuff. Yes. But like, as far as portraying all the movies and all the things, he kind of just gravitated toward it anyhow.

SPEAKER_00: 8:44

He's been obsessed with Halloween masks since he was in diapers. I literally have a YouTube video out there of him running around in his pull-up and a clown mask.

SPEAKER_01: 8:54

Yeah, we called him Silas of the Lambs.

SPEAKER_00: 8:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 8:58

That was the video.

SPEAKER_00: 8:59

Silas of the Lambs. Another Ed Gean. So, first of all, before we dive off into um Lizzie, real quick, you guys comment on this video and tell us what you think about uh Ryan Murphy's monster um series about Ed Gean. We're conflicted because a lot of it is inaccurate, but we're very impressed with the production and how he tied in Alfred Hitchcock, Alfred Hitchcock, and then the guy that made, I don't even I didn't catch his name, and I'm I should know this, but the guy who made Texas Chainsaw Massacre and then the whole Buffalo Bill. So tell tell us what y'all thought about the series. Um I did see that a lot of people were on my level about Ed Gean and were um conflicted about their sympathy towards him. And I felt that I felt seen, I felt heard because I do. And and I and I I know he did terrible things, but I I do, I I I have a lot of sympathy for that man and um doesn't excuse what he did. Um don't feel bad about that. I don't, you know, I don't sympathize with that part, but I sympathize with the way that he was raised and um the isolation that he can that he just dealt with his whole life. I I really sympathize with that.

SPEAKER_01: 10:29

For any uh historical nostalgia type things myself to hang on to. I I kind of wish it was a little bit more accurate, but at the same time, if I wouldn't have known the things it wouldn't have mattered so much, you know?

SPEAKER_00: 10:40

Yeah, a lot of things were accurate, um, but a lot were not.

SPEAKER_01: 10:45

So from an outside perspective, I think it fits everybody, whether you know the history on it or not. So it's it's a good, it was it was a good, it was a good watch to watch that. And then check out the the the the pod that we did too.

SPEAKER_00: 10:57

So absolutely. Ours is accurate. It's accurate as I I got most of my information from the book by Harold Schechter Deviant, and he he does a really good job um with with putting historical facts into his books and making them very accurate. So now on to Lizzie. So we're just gonna we're gonna start um in 1892 when everything happened. So Andrew, he is um a very well the Bordens like period were a prominent family in Fall River. They uh Andrew owned a lot of businesses, had a lot of rental properties, and other real estate endeavors. And then he marries Abby, um, who came from after uh his first wife passed away, which was Lizzie and Emma's mother. Abby also belonged to one of the other very rich families in town. And um for most of their lives, Emmy uh Emma and Lizzie called Abby mother, and then a few a couple of I don't know if it was a couple of years or a year or so before the murders happened, um Lizzie started calling her Mrs. Borden because Andrew had given her family a rental property and was helping them out financially, and her and Emma both did not like that.

SPEAKER_01: 12:29

So some of that like it didn't really feel like you were trying to put seeds in in into an explanation or a motive behind any of that because it just seemed like family stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 12:40

It was family shit. All families have strikes.

SPEAKER_01: 12:42

And they had their rental property and he sold it to them for like a dollar and then it wasn't working out for them. And we talk about all that. And you know, then then he got it back, right?

SPEAKER_00: 12:51

Yeah, he bought it back from them for like almost double its value. Yeah. So they have money. They have money in the bank.

SPEAKER_01: 12:58

Um But at this time they're they're spinsters, so they're older women.

SPEAKER_00: 13:02

Yes, yeah, they are 40 and 30. Emma's 40. Emma's 40 and Lizzie is 32. That is well beyond the age of marriage for a Victorian-era woman.

SPEAKER_01: 13:16

So I don't feel like I don't feel like he you know their dad was holding on to anything, wishing that he had made an empire like by you know, a marriage or something, because that was that was a big thing throughout history where you know, hey, my daughter can marry this guy and we can be even richer and we have more stuff. He was already, you know, prominently successful. They were millionaires for the time.

SPEAKER_00: 13:38

You know, they in in today's Oh, he was a legit millionaire. I mean, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Today's money hit what he had would have equaled multi-million dollars.

SPEAKER_01: 13:48

So that he was fine with his daughters living there. They're just older, and they're they have family stuff. It didn't seem like there was anything deep-seated for for her to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00: 13:59

And they had they had separate lives. Uh, Emma and Lizzie did their own thing, Abby and Andrew did their own thing, and uh then they had the maid. Like I said, I thought this was really shitty. Her name was Bridget, but they called her Maggie because that was the name of the previous maid, and I think that's really shitty. Like she had her own name, she had her own identity, but there was a lot of people like that back in the day.

SPEAKER_01: 14:26

They they looked at maids as yeah, a little snobby there.

SPEAKER_00: 14:29

They looked at maids as just people but like, you know. Help. Yeah, they were just the help. They were the help. Um, I that and that made me think of um, we're watching um Blood of My Blood, which is a spin-off of Outlander, and she says that. She's like, I can go with you. I'm just the help. You have to watch it to see it, but um, what was her name? Julia says, uh, I'm the help, I won't even get noticed. And that's yeah, that's how it was. But so uh before the murders happen in the home, um, Emma and Lizzie have gone away. Lizzie was back home, Emma was not, and then Uncle John comes to town. And uh Uncle John, I don't know, it wasn't Uncle John. So Andrew and Abby get really sick. Andrew and Abby get really sick a couple of times. Abby feels that the family is getting poisoned because Andrew has enemies in town. The doctor's like, no, you're eating food that should have been thrown out because uh Andrew was too cheap. I can't I'm at home now. Andrew is too cheap.

SPEAKER_01: 15:45

Oh, and I wasn't supposed to say that shit, but I did. Yeah. While we were there. Why is that a thing? You're not supposed to say it while you're there. If you guys go, don't say the cheap word, right?

SPEAKER_00: 15:56

Right, yeah. Don't don't call him cheap while you're there. Say he was frugal. But why is that? You're not gonna be. Well, because you don't want to in you don't want to invoke Andrew's spirit, make him mad, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 16:06

You couldn't bring Ouija boards there.

SPEAKER_00: 16:08

But people did have spirit boxes downstairs.

SPEAKER_01: 16:12

They were walking around doing tours like in the house, like up till like 12 o'clock or something that night. Walking around, they had their whole things, or is it somebody want to talk to me? B, beep, beep beep. And I was all like, this is crazy, this is cool. This is I watched them for a minute, but I was like, I'm kind of creep back and like letting them do their thing, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 16:30

And I just gotta say, I slept like an absolute baby in that house. Now we had had some drinks, and I did take my Ashwagonda, but I felt no, I felt zero bad energy in that home. None.

SPEAKER_01: 16:43

And we were on the road so much before that. Our real break was was Manhattan because we had two days, yeah, like two days stop in Manhattan. We'll talk about that too in another video. Yeah. The recap of the trip that we're gonna do. That's gonna be cool.

SPEAKER_00: 16:58

That was a weird sound.

SPEAKER_01: 17:00

It was a whistle. That's a cool cup. Co-worker of mine made that.

SPEAKER_00: 17:04

It is a very cool cup, and the lid is like bubbly and bedazzled. It's really cool, and the glitter moves.

SPEAKER_01: 17:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 17:10

But anyway, so they're sick, they feel like they've been poisoned. Doctor says, No, you just gotta stop eating this leftover food. Like they left fish out, I think it was swordfish, and ate it. Like, without any preservation, without any refrigeration. It's not good. Um, they had eaten mutton stew that had been just on the stove, just simmering for days.

SPEAKER_01: 17:34

Nothing from nothing equals mutton.

SPEAKER_00: 17:37

You gotta have mutton. So then they all get they all get sick. Um, but Lizzie and Bridget get mildly ill compared to Andrew and Abby's like hurling in the backyard, okay? Then Uncle John comes to town, he stays one night, and then he goes off early the next morning, goes and runs some errands, and uh then Abby she gets off with a hatchet. And then um about an hour and a half after her death, Andrew comes home for lunch. He went out, he went to work that day, he came home for lunch, and he wanted a little nap. And then uh then he gets offed.

SPEAKER_01: 18:23

And might I add horrifically.

SPEAKER_00: 18:25

Oh, his face. I do say it in the episode it's hamburger.

SPEAKER_01: 18:29

It's she showed me the pictures of it, and we talked about all that, and Lizzie was just doing home stuff, like just she went outside, she was checking out some some fishing lures, right? And she picked a pair and she ironed a handkerchief. She was washing the windows outside, so people weren't inside the house, they were doing stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 18:51

Well, Bridget had been instructed by Abby she wanted the windows washed inside and out. So that's what Abby was doing. I mean, uh Bridget was doing that morning, and probably pissed off about it because she was sick, she was sick as a dog. And when Andrew came home for his little nap, uh Lizzie had told her, or Andrew, one of the two had told her it was okay for her to go lay down because she was still ill and she had done washed all the windows in the house. And I was there. There's a lot of windows. Uh lot. If you're sick, that ain't fun. So, like, no, no sooner had like Andrew had just got home, 10 minutes later, Bridget's laying her head down, and bam, she hears Lizzie screaming, come help. Father's been hurt. Yeah, somebody came in and killed him.

SPEAKER_01: 19:39

Called the doctor to come over.

SPEAKER_00: 19:41

Called the doctor to come over, and Lizzie was hysterical. Um, you know, some reports will say that she was just nonchalant. Well, that was because Dr. Bowen gave her morphine.

SPEAKER_01: 19:53

Well, if you had seen the horrific sight that she had seen, I mean, she was blowed up. I mean, completely.

SPEAKER_00: 20:00

I wouldn't know what and her wording is very strange to me too. Um, because I probably, like, especially Victorian-era women, I'm surprised she didn't faint at the sight of his face. Yeah. It's terrible. Like one of his eyes was chopped in half. Um, but Dr. Bowen gave her morphine to calm her nerves, and then caffeine powder to keep her alert for questioning by the police.

SPEAKER_01: 20:28

Yeah, that's the whole up and down, in and out situation, and then you're trying to put together all the questions that are braided on top of you.

SPEAKER_00: 20:36

Like, what were you doing?

SPEAKER_01: 20:37

Where were you at? It did seem shady. You know, we talked about all the questioning and what she was talking about, and eventually led up to her being accused of it, right?

SPEAKER_00: 20:48

Yes, because they could not well, actually, they could. There was people that came forward and admitted to it, and they had dismissed them. Um then so basically, because now Emma's home, now Uncle John's back, and Bridget and Lizzie are all suspects. And because Bridget said that Lizzie had been at the top of the stairs when Andrew came home laughing, I think that that was um one of the key points of her accu of her being accused, of her being like, they were like, you did it.

SPEAKER_01: 21:29

I think it was more hysteria, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 21:31

That too. Oh god, like that there were uh over a thousand people gathered outside their house in within hours just hanging out there, like angry mob. Like John tried to leave again and he couldn't. Like he it was just not safe to leave the house. People were bored, they they didn't have much to do back in uh the 1890s. So Lizzie gets tried. I don't want to put every single detail in there because I do want you guys to listen to the full episode. Lizzie gets tried, and um, after what was that? Oh, a little over a year and a couple of months.

SPEAKER_01: 22:03

Yeah, an amazing lawyer shows up and amazing lawyer, got her acquitted. Yes, got her acquitted, and then they sold all the stuff and got the inheritance, her and her sister, and then bought a beautiful home. What was it called? Maple Croft. Maplecroft. We should have, if we'd had more time, so if you ever go up to this bed and breakfast, it's beautiful. Spend a little bit more time than we did because there's so much to do there, too.

SPEAKER_00: 22:28

We were going to New York City the next day, and we had a little drive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 22:32

In and out, but go to the coffee shop next next door, and which was uh I think a murder happened there too.

SPEAKER_00: 22:39

Yes, and we didn't get the history on that because we were kind of groggy the next day. We had had some drinks the night before so we could record because you couldn't drink in the house, so we had them beforehand. And um, oh, one thing we do want to say about um I don't know if it's all of Massachusetts, but in Fall River, you gotta go to a liquor store to get seltzers.

SPEAKER_01: 23:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 23:01

You cannot get them at a little corner store. There's no alcohol there.

SPEAKER_01: 23:05

That was crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 23:06

We went to five. Was it five total?

SPEAKER_01: 23:09

Yeah, it was like, okay, here's another one. Let's pull up here. Maybe they'll have some seltzers or drinks or whatever. Nothing. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 23:16

Even a gas station, but nothing. Like an actual, like, because they had like bodegas and then they had gas stations. But we had to go to the liquor store, which was like not even that big a deal. It was like half a mile down the road.

SPEAKER_01: 23:28

So much on our trip that you know, you get cultured a little bit on how the rest of the of the country is designed, and you have to be as different to that. So Lindsay learned a lot too. I mean, it was really cool. And my sister, for sure. We were we were looking at each other and we were like, she don't get out much.

SPEAKER_00: 23:47

Yeah, we're a little bit more cultured. Um, but I mean it still was an area we've never been to.

SPEAKER_01: 23:52

Yeah. But beautiful. I mean, everything was gorgeous, everybody was nice. Um so do go to the coffee shop though, next door.

SPEAKER_00: 24:00

And go have chat, you know, go have Portuguese food at Fall River Grill.

SPEAKER_01: 24:05

Um check out, you know, you can go to the gravesite, you can go to the the other house, maple cross, and check out the scenery, some of the history, whatever. And then you're you're right next to uh so much history, you know. It's it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00: 24:22

It's a beautiful area with a beautiful river and a beautiful bridge that I hated going across because I have anxiety, but it's still beautiful. Um now, one thing, a couple of things I I had to make my our episode and our coverage a little shorter than I would have liked to because of the situation we were recording in. Um but she had, I just want to say she had a couple of uh little Boston Terriers, and she live she lived her life well, as well as could be expected for a spinster um at her next house. But there were mean little kids that would show up at her house every day and sing the nursery rhymes, um, which is Lizzie Borden took an axe. Is it killed her mom with 40 wax when she saw what she had done?

SPEAKER_01: 25:18

Then she gave her father 41.

SPEAKER_00: 25:21

I think that's the full, full, full rhyme. Yeah, it's definitely not that many whacks, and it wasn't with an axe.

SPEAKER_01: 25:28

So you know for people to come up with something like that. I know it's so horrific, but and you have to be around it, you know. I I would have left the town myself, you know. If I'd have been acquitted from something that I was tried for, I would have had to leave the town.

unknown: 25:40

You know?

SPEAKER_00: 25:41

Well, she she ended up because she wanted like I said, Andrew was cheap. They lived in a I mean, that their house was big, but it was still modest compared to what what the other wealthy lived like in that area, and most of the wealthy lived on the hill, and that's where she wanted to go, that's where she went, and she had her dream home and um gatherings and parties, gatherings, parties that rich people would want to do, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 26:10

And we kind of do feel like there might have been a relationship there too, where uh she's gonna be.

SPEAKER_00: 26:15

Oh, I I mean, I definitely uh she I mean, there's rumors about Lizzie loving the ladies, and that's okay if she did. And I hope that she, I mean, you know, it wasn't that was very taboo back then, but I hope that she did what she wanted to do.

SPEAKER_02: 26:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 26:29

Uh, because I I if y'all don't know yet, I don't think that she did it. Um, and if she did, um she had I don't think she did it herself whatsoever because there's you it's almost impossible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 26:43

You can't get what what happened off of you that fast and then walk around and and talk to people about it. I mean, even though she was on the morphine and the caffeine and all the fiends, but literally um, yeah, you can't undress, you can't hide that. There's stuff going to be all over you because of how horrific, you know, the situation was.

SPEAKER_00: 27:06

So yeah, because there was no she had no blood on her. Yeah. She had not changed her clothing. She like there was no blo there was not a drop of blood on her at all. And the only blood that came into evidence was her menstruation rags, because back in those days, you bled into rags. That's why it's called being on the rag. You bled into rags, you put them in a bucket, and you kept them in the cellar.

SPEAKER_01: 27:30

That should have been the end of that. It shouldn't even have been in the question, but they hung on to that, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 27:34

Well, they really didn't. Um, they did bring it back up, but it was dismissed because men don't like to talk about that shit.

SPEAKER_01: 27:42

I can hear the fizz on the page. You can hear the fizz. Crisp.

SPEAKER_00: 27:46

Very crisp.

SPEAKER_01: 27:46

Crispy.

SPEAKER_00: 27:47

I'm going to raspberry now. I'm putting it in my little cup. But um, but I do agree with Marcus from last podcast on the left. Um, he says that nowadays, if that, you know, those those menstruation rags would have been studied thoroughly.

SPEAKER_01: 28:04

Yeah, to find out.

SPEAKER_00: 28:05

To find out. But and and also the the murder would have been solved, but it's not. It's it's never been solved. I feel like it too.

SPEAKER_01: 28:11

Like within 15 minutes now, with the technology now, it would have been solved within 15, 20 minutes. And it'd been like, no.

SPEAKER_02: 28:19

Here it is.

SPEAKER_00: 28:20

But her house was torn apart um in search of evidence. They did, I mean, they did a lot of work for their time. I mean, a lot of work. But the fingerprinting wasn't a thing yet. DNA wasn't a thing yet.

SPEAKER_01: 28:35

And the crab pot bowling the head wasn't a thing.

SPEAKER_00: 28:38

Oh my god. So I didn't mention this in the story either. Um, so the I guess he was the medical examiner. After they had an open casket funeral, and if you look at crime scenes, photos, crime scene photos, you'll be like, they did what? They had an open casket funeral for Andrew and Abby, and then the medical examiner took him off, let him out to rot for like five days, and uh then chopped their heads off and boiled them.

SPEAKER_01: 29:12

Yeah, during the trial, he he displayed skulls. He he had he had stripped all the meat off, and it was that's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_00: 29:20

And there was um, I don't remember the exact story, but for in court, there was uh abuse on a an animal to like to the point of death because they were trying to figure something out. It their trial was wild.

SPEAKER_01: 29:35

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00: 29:36

Read the um or listen to the audiobook, uh, Kara Roberts um the trial of Lizzie Borden and uh check out a c you know our coverage on it, and then there's a couple of other podcasts that have a couple parts on it. There's a lot more information out there. No to kill a dog over that shit is what the trial was almost as or or was Just as macabre as the murders, like a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01: 30:03

Yeah, I do feel like that too. It's like there's the whole B side, which was the trial, which is just as bad as the A side of it, you know? It's so bad.

SPEAKER_00: 30:11

It was like you're like, huh? Oh what? Because Jesse wanted uh through our trip, he wanted to listen to some other people who podcasted about the same things that we have covered to hear their insights. And also, it makes the trip go by faster. A lot of driving. I think you said it was what a total of like 40 hours that we did within eight days, nine days. So yeah, I mean, and it it really did make our driving time go by so much quicker. Because there was a lot, it was nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 30:43

I mean, the everything after the first day was nice on our trip.

SPEAKER_00: 30:49

So stay tuned for all of that because we're gonna we're literally gonna record that next. But we're gonna wrap this recap up.

SPEAKER_01: 30:55

Okay, so check out our Lizzie Borden, check out the Edgeen stuff, check out the Edgeen. So, yeah, we're in season two.

SPEAKER_00: 31:02

And leave leave comments about what you thought about Ryan Murphy's Edgeen, so on Netflix. Yeah, yeah. He has a way of making things hard to watch and almost like you can't stop watching it at the same time.

SPEAKER_01: 31:18

Grotesquely grabbing.

SPEAKER_00: 31:20

Like me and Jesse were so uncomfortable in some moments. Like, what? I want to know. Can we fast forward? No, I want to watch it. We did, we did, we did skip a couple of parts.

SPEAKER_01: 31:31

Just a couple. But yeah. It was uh thank you for taking me to Lizzie's and telling a story.

SPEAKER_00: 31:40

Well, we took each other.

SPEAKER_01: 31:41

You booked the room. Well, but you you presented it the opportunity, and I jumped, and then you told me. Now I know.

SPEAKER_00: 31:50

There was a lot more um haunted things that we did want to visit, and that but it just it for time. I mean, like we did everything just right. Like, we had no extra time. Yeah, we did everything that we wanted to do that we set out to do. There was no extra time, or it would have been a we'd have had to done like a 12-day trip to do a couple of the other things.

SPEAKER_01: 32:11

Yeah, we fit in in eight days, what people normally take a month to do.

SPEAKER_00: 32:17

Or a lifetime.

SPEAKER_01: 32:18

Yeah. So great trip, great times.

SPEAKER_00: 32:21

Stay tuned for that recap. So this will be out. This is Wednesday. Happy Wednesday. Um, and then check out our recap of our adventure tomorrow on Thursday. Adventure. And then a whole new episode out on Friday. And a new band.

SPEAKER_01: 32:38

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 32:40

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 32:40

Oh yeah. The music, the music, for the music.

SPEAKER_00: 32:43

Don't forget the music.

SPEAKER_01: 32:44

Yeah. So.

SPEAKER_00: 32:45

All right, we're gonna wrap this up. We love you guys so much. And leave us your thoughts and comments on anything.

SPEAKER_01: 32:51

On anything.

SPEAKER_00: 32:52

Anything. See you guys. We're here. Ask us anything. Anything. Love you. Bye.