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Hey Jessie.

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Hey, Lindsay.

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What are you drinking today?

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It's truly unruly. It's um very blast. Yes. From the past.

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And that's also what I'm drinking today. We went to the good ol' uh liquor store.

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Lacqueral.

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And um I have this debase that I'm also gonna be drinking, but I wanted to I had these during the summer and I was like, you know what? I kind of liked them. But they're very strong. I do suggest mixing them with like a sprite, or in my case, a sprite serum. But, anyways.

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Hello. Hello, hello everybody.

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Hello.

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Yeah.

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Oh, and happy almost Halloween. Like it's two days away from the day this will come out.

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Yeah.

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We're excited. We're ready to uh barely bothering me. I'm gonna play. I'll look in your face.

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Okay.

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There we go.

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We like that better.

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Yeah.

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You like let butter?

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Well, it's the bar.

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Like Men in Black, where he pulls his skin all the way back. Yeah, it's all like, air, your skin's falling off your bones.

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I love that lady because she's just so like, your skin's falling off your bones.

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Yeah. Sugar water. Sugar water.

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But anywho, so we're today we're recapping um basically it's the uh the devil made me do it case that the Conjuring Three is based off of.

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Yes.

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And uh the audiobook that I read about the case was The Devil in Connecticut, which is a very worn biased book. I mean, that that author literally worked with them for a couple of different kind of put me on the fence again.

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I know. Like, okay, I was Team Lindsay over here on the last when we did the podcast. I was kind of team Lindsay, Team Lindsay, and then it was just like, I watched this, I'm kind of on the fence again. I'm like, uh.

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Well, we watched The Devil on T. You're on the fence?

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I still am on the fence, think.

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How? I think how did that documentary not make you more on my team?

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At the end of it, I was like, well, they only got like a couple of grand out of fucking trying to make this a big thing. And so they shouldn't have, they should have been saying, hey, this is bullshit all to begin with, right?

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Well, what I said was, okay, so I told you that Carl Jr. came out, I think it was 2007, spoke out against it, and his brother David, the one who was possessed, spoke with him. But then he flipped the script back to yes, I was possessed when Netflix made that documentary.

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Yeah.

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And I was money involved.

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Right. It was like, huh, I gotta make this a thing again.

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Yes. So I mean, I believe in paranormal activity. I just, I don't think that this was what it was made out to be. And I definitely don't feel like the devil made Arnie kill Alan Bono. Sorry.

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I just don't think that either.

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But we're gonna start, you know, towards the beginning. So the Johnson family, which is Arnie's family, uh, it's his mom, sisters, and niece. Uh, they all live together in Bridgeport. And uh Debbie Glatzel has been boarding with them for a few years. And uh they decide, and she has a little boy from a previous marriage when she was a teenager. She's 26 at this time. So they find a house in Newtown. Newton or Newtown. They say Newtown on the documentary, but in the book that I listened to, it was called Newton. So I don't know. Tell us if you're from Connecticut, is it Newton or Newtown?

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I think it's kind of like some of the places in Florida where they say like Okala.

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I ain't never heard it called that. I've heard it called Oak Oka Okalo. I've heard it called Okalo. Um, and then Alachua has been called or Alachua.

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Yeah. That's kind of like the thing, you know? I like Newton. Isaac. Newton. Newton.

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Well, it is spelled Newtown.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's spelled Newtown.

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But anyway, so um Debbie and Arnie are in a relationship, which was very weird because Debbie met Arnie when he was 12 years old. Yeah. And Debbie was 19.

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So there's some hidden turmoil going on right there to begin with. Oh not right. It's not right.

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And um, but now he's 19 or 18, almost 19, and she's 26. So her, Arnie, and Jason decide, or her and Arnie decide to go find a home, a new home for his whole family along with Jason. They find a house that has is going to be accommodating to the whole family, and they're going to have their own like little private quarters in this apartment. They get there, they had signed the lease, like sight unseen. So they get there, everything's kind of weird. Like the niece of the landlord is still living there in the apartment where Arnie, Debbie, and Jason, her little boy, um, is supposed to live at. And then so there's some items from a previous tenant still in the house, one being a waterbed. And um in the waterbedroom is where everything goes down.

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Yeah, he says he gets like pushed in, he put something pushes him in the water bed. So like they were cleaning up and straightening up and everything.

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Debbie's mom and her and and her brothers, David, Alan, and Carl Jr., right, all come over to help clean this house. Debbie gives them all little jobs. Um, David's was to sweep and clean out the closets or something like that. And then when he goes into the waterbed room, like Jesse said.

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And I was like, this is a healthy thing. Like they're just going in, they're getting all their stuff together, cleaning up, straightening up, and all that. And something shoves him on the waterbed and says, be well. Right? Yeah. Is that what it was? I'd have been the fuck out of there forever, ever more. Right there.

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Well, yeah, that's a lot of these cases. I don't understand why people hung around. I know it's expensive to move, whether your house is haunted as fuck or not. Um, but like, I know it was a different time period that a lot of these cases happen, and I don't know. I just don't know why more of it wasn't reported to authorities. So it could have been like locked in as yeah, more um documented better, yeah. Less less bullshit.

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Because a lot of the uh a lot of the like you were telling me, you you said that a lot of the documentation, we can't even have access to it, right?

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Yeah, and I'll uh but I'm gonna talk about more about that in the next couple of episodes because I'm gonna talk more about cases that Ed and Lorraine Warren were a part of and who they were and how they got started in this whole demonology slash clairvoyant slash Jesus saves uh teamwork.

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That's where I was kind of on the fence about it. I'm still kind of because I want more proof. I want more stuff. So if anybody have if you have access to that shit, send it to us.

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Well, you want more. They have audio.

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Yeah.

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Okay. But there was supposed a video that nobody's seen.

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Right.

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Carl Jr. lived in the house with this family and says that it is all bullshit. Um, and also, we were talking about this last night when we were watching the documentary. David Gladsell, now it's a grown man, um, remembers details of his possession, but other people all the rest of them don't when they're possessed.

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If they're like a blackout, possessed, you're right, they don't remember shit out of fuck. Then it's like you can't recall that nothing ties together. When something takes you over completely, you're supposed to not remember that. So I don't remember seeing anything that that I've that I've seen and recall, and nobody has ever remembered all the stuff that was going on like he did. Like it was like making it up, but he he stuck to his story. That's it did seem so coerced, like like something led him on to doing all that so you know.

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After the after they left the rental house, they decided they decided that night that they were gonna go back to the Glasswell house and um stay the night there after um you know shit just wasn't going right. And this was before they found out that David had been had had an encounter. So they get back to the Glasgow house, they're all having dinner and whatever, and um, later on in the evening, David tells Alan. And he's like, Well, we gotta tell the family. So they told the family, and then weird shit starts happening to the family, and um they decide that they're not gonna move. David and Arnie decide that they're not gonna move into the rental house. But David's mom has put all the money she has into signing into this into this home. So she's like, Well, you guys are weirdos, we're moving in here. So it was her, her two daughters and niece. And Arnie was like begging and pleading. Arnie and Debbie were like, please don't do this. And then even the tenant was like, Oh, she he saw, you know, an old man ghost, because that was what he said at first. That was in the book that he saw an old man ghost. But then on this documentary, he said it was a Halloween devil costume entity that he saw. Remember? Yeah. In the book that I listened to, which was supposed to be a firsthand account, he saw an old man first who later on became to look like Satan, which they called the beast. And it's it's very confusing. So anyway, while they're at the Gladso house, David also says that he can see what's going on at this rental house. And this is before before they go back and say we're not moving. The dog is getting tormented. They leave their poor little dog behind all night long. And um, the dog gets tormented when they show up at the house to get their shit because they're not gonna stay anymore. The dog is like matted and sweaty and bloody, and yeah, he's he's distressed allegory. So um Mary says, I'm gonna live in this house, you guys do what you want to do. So they all move back to the Glatso house where shit continues to go down with David. So they decide, and in their home, like everybody's starting to experience weird shit. And then Carl Jr. is getting an attitude because he's like, Y'all are crazy. Then they think that he's being um possessed. Not well, not quite possessed yet. They think that he's being affected by this entity as well because now he's got an attitude making fun of his brother, which he never did before. But at the same time, here's this new thing that you've never experienced before happening in your family.

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And he's just like, y'all are y'all are fucking shot out. What the hell?

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Wild. This is wild.

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Yeah.

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So at first, Judy um calls some priests to come bless the house. They're like, here, here's some uh holy candles, burn these, get back with us.

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And in the dock, they were trying to portray that like they were a religious family.

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Right.

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But they weren't, they weren't, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, let's decorate the house, let's break out all the cool stuff and make it like we're all this holy Catholic, you know, Christian thing. But they really weren't. They, you know, they're they're dragging priests into this stuff and trying to make it to where they can add more of a narrative to me, you know.

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Carl J. So the priests can't do anything, so they of course end up getting with the wards who come in and tell them that they're in the infestation um stage of uh uh a haunting. And um, and so it's infestation, oppression, and possession. So they're in the infestation, they try to get to the source of where this all started. Um but oh, and the word that I couldn't think of, by the way, was a deliverance. When they try before instead of doing a whole exorcism on David, they were just supposed to do a deliverance, like delivering him from the evil, which is pretty much the same as what I said. I said rebuking, right? That's all that. And here's my here's another argument that I have. So the whole the Christian the Christian denomination, the Christian religion will tell you that the devil has no power. But in all these cases, seems like they have all the power.

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Yeah, revolution.

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That guy is so great. What's his name?

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Oh, I don't know, but I've been watching him a lot. Revolution.

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Yeah, so this guy on TikTok who lists uh he's got this great little handlebar mask mustache. He's great, and he lists all these things that are worthy of revolution.

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I agree with every one of them. Why?

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Love it.

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I think that I need to add some because I think I have some things I need to say too. You gotta take the power back. Yeah, I I do think that um eventually that is probably gonna happen, but it needs to happen locally. Not that we're into politics or anything like that, but I do I do like that revolution guy. I really like that stuff, yeah.

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Right, but I mean you don't have to be into politics just to see what is bullshit is going on around you that ain't right at all.

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Exactly.

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Okay, so um they do a couple of these um deliverances, uh, which is basically an exorcism that's not being permitted by the Roman Catholic Church or the diocese. And um at one point in one of them, I don't know if I said this in the episode or not, but like David allegedly almost dies, like he was in fear for his life because I I don't know what they do in during an exorcism, but I know just from hearing probably a hundred different cases about shit like that, it's it's traumatic too. It's because it's always on kids. It's very traumatic. And um when they were fearing that David was possibly could lose his life over this, Arnie challenges uh Satan, the the entity, and says, take me.

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Which is completely all set up just like Exorcism, the Exorcist movie. And I'm like, this is so set up. It just seems it does seem very it seems like somebody's telling them what to do and we'll do it and we'll document what they're doing after we've done, you know, taught them how to act this way. You know, I just I just Carl Jr.

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says that when the Warrens initially came to their home, he said, Okay, this is what you're going to start experiencing with David. And sure enough, it happens. But David overhears all of it. Like they Ed and Lorraine are telling them right there in their living room in front of the whole family what's gonna happen. And it's I mean, in 2007, David said that he fed into it.

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It's a charismatic proclamation where they're actually manifest manifesting something to actually happen, right?

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That's what I feel like is what and they're I'm basically coaxing this kid into doing what he did. Revolution. Revolution, but so now the beast has left Arnie, I mean has left David, now it's into Arnie, but it happens slow at first, like so according to the book, I do believe, or I may have read this. Arnie gets possessed on a few different encounters before a tragedy happens. So everything's calmed down at the Glatso house. Debbie's like, I think it's a good time for us to go out. Me, Arnie, and Jason go find our own place again. She finds a man named Alan Bono who has a kennel that he has inherited. He doesn't really want to take care of it, and that is her profession. She is a professional dog groomer and knows how to run a kennel.

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Yeah, the thing about that is I don't think I could ever drain the anal gland of any animals, you know? I don't think I could do it.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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They have to do that?

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Yeah. That's like a big thing. You take your dog. Well, if you especially if you have like we're not animal people, so I don't we like animals.

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We just don't want one.

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Well, years ago when I had like a little terrier dog, that was one of the things that they do for you. It's like that's part of the service. It's like squeezing the butthole of like animals.

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What does that do?

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I don't know, but there's a thing. Maybe we can look it up. But there's a thing where they do that. They have like an anal draining thing where they squeeze and yeah.

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Listeners comment on this and help me understand. I don't know. I had never heard of that.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the only thing. Like trimming and cool, whatever, even if it's a crazy ass dog that's kind of rough to you know, get them onto. But I love that. You know, that's really cool. Like, you know, because you can make like poodles look really cool or whatever kind of animals look really cool, or little little dogs, you know, you can make them look like little tigers and fucking lions and shit and oh my. Yeah.

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Tigers and bears.

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Yeah. But but the butthole thing, I don't think I could be a butthole surfer on that one. Yeah, because I got gotta squeeze it or something. Yeah, you gotta look that up. Yes. Thanks.

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Well, I do know that that's how they get what is it, raspberry and vanilla artificial flavor?

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Oh, the the beaver ass, North American beaver ass. We've all ate it.

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All of us.

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We have all eight the North American analysis.

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It's from milking the anal glands of a North American beaver.

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That is how you get Well, they harvest them and they dry them out and they use that extract from the dried out anal gland. Yeah.

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Who discovered that?

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Yeah, I guess uh, you know, maybe some trappers or some shit walking around. It's like, let's eat this butthole and say, Oh, this is good. Shit. Let's make ice cream from this.

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See, that's the kind of shit that hurts my brain. Who was the first one to discover that?

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Yeah, who licked the butthole of the beaver?

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I mean, that's what it tastes like, but that's what they use to make those flavors. Yeah, right.

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Yeah. Yeah. For some reason that that creates a taste that tastes like that.

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Vanilla, it's vanilla and raspberry, right? That's the just the two. And artificial flavoring, not natural.

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No, that's a natural flavor. It's not artificial at all.

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It says that when I looked it up before, it says it's how they make the artificial flavor.

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Yeah, but I mean, but it's it's a natural, like, I don't know how you twist that, but it's it's naturally the gland from the beavers.

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But the flavor is artificial.

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Yeah, it's not the actual berry or the yes, right, right.

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It's not vanilla and it's not.

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Yeah. So that but there's there's there's in the line of the butthole, is it, but it's a natural thing, but it just makes the artificial flavor, so there's a line there, right?

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So, anyhow.

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We've all ate it. You have too over there, listeners.

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So, absolutely.

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Yeah, look it up. I forgot the name of it. They got a big old long ass name of what they call that.

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So stay away from uh artificial flavors if you uh are terrified of the fact that it comes from a beaver's butthole.

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Yeah.

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Anyhow.

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Read what's in your in your food.

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So Arnie, Debbie, and little Jason move into there's an apartment above the kennel, above the kennels that they're gonna live in. It's like it's like a dream combo there, okay? You got your home and your workplace all together. Now, Alan Bono, he was a cool older guy. And you know, when I was listening to the book, I was like expecting him to be this like old haggard guy that kind of looked like David Parker Ray. I don't know why. But then when I looked up his picture, I'm like, he was a pretty kid Joe.

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Yeah, he was a good one.

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Yeah, he was he was a pretty boy, like legit. So um Alan's a drunk though, and um they got along with him pretty well, you know, but sometimes he could be too much. It was said that he would just kind of drink till he passed out. Well, one day, um, I forgot the exact date and I don't have my notes. I think it was February, right? February 1981. Um they are so Arnie wakes up, he doesn't feel good, and uh, so he calls out from work. Debbie and Debbie's uh sisters and niece are going to stay. They were like out, school was out that day, so they were gonna stay the night. And uh so they're working in the kennels. Alan's like, let's all go out to lunch. So Arnie by this time, I guess, was feeling a little bit better. He was uh better enough to go eat lunch, and they all had like burgers and fries at a restaurant that also served wine because 13 glasses of wine were ordered to this table. Now, allegedly, Debbie didn't drink any. Arnie had one glass after being pressured by Alan, and Alan drank the rest. And then on the way back, they stopped at a liquor store so Alan could get more wine, and he continued drinking.

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Just like the police said at the very end of it, you know, alcohol, some turmoil, uh, a trifecta type relationship going on.

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Well, it's all they're there was rumors that um Alan and Debbie had had an affair. Don't know when, because you know, all this kind of just happened very quickly. So the story goes that Debbie felt like something bad was gonna happen. She got in a feeling of impending doom, called her mother, and her mother was like, Oh my god, I got the same feeling. She was like, Y'all, just come on over here. Well, Debbie's like, I gotta finish up with work. But then Judy, Judy Glatzel, the mother of the family, I don't know if I've mentioned her name in this episode, but um, she starts calling back every half hour, and then finally is just like, get here now. Like, I really feel like something bad's gonna happen. Well, Alan had still been drinking and was insisting on them staying for dinner as well. Debbie was like, No, we're gonna go to my mom's house. And he's like, please, please, please. And she didn't really want to, but she was like, Okay, I'm gonna go get pizza. So they go get pizza, and I don't know if I put this in the story, but as the book is told, she wanted to make because he was in Alan was in their apartment. She wanted to get him to his apartment because she knew once he was had drank enough, he was gonna pass out and didn't want him passing out in their apartment. So she's like, All right, we're gonna go eat this pizza in your place. So they get to their his place, and he's got the music blaring. He's fucking with the TVs, pissed off and yelling and cussing at the TV. Very, you know, very chaotic situation.

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Yeah, he's throwing shit and all the things.

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Throwing shit, right. And then um, and Debbie and Arnie are like, all right, we gotta go. So they get the, they put they gather up the girls, they're trying to go, and Alan in uh, you know, kind of a drunken rage, grabs one of the girls. Well, somehow, during all this, this Debbie says that Arnie gets possessed and starts hitting and beating her. This is my opinion, and I'm gonna say this. I feel like the affair was exposed at that point. Because why else would he just be? I mean, I'm sorry. I understand that if this was a real possession, that could possibly happen. But it's just really convenient how out of nowhere he starts beating Debbie, even though Alan is holding on to one of the girls, and Alan should be the the sole purpose, the sole focus of any kind of altercation. But Arnie is beating on Debbie, and then he supposedly comes to and apologizes. I guess the devil left him for a minute, but then he comes back in and he stabs Alan Bono.

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Yeah, and some of the kids are in the car and they didn't see what really was.

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Yeah, two of the kids had run down to the car.

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Yeah.

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And the other one had gotten out, had gotten up from the grip before Arnie and Alan start going at it. Doesn't that make sense though? So at some point, I really feel like this affairs.

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Shit of rage, man. All the shit fucking hit the fan.

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Shit hit the fan.

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Get at the fan and I'm drunk and I'm fucking I'm exposing revolution.

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I do not feel like the devil had any part of this story.

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No.

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Um, so it is alleged that after, well, it's not alleged. This actually happened. So after the stabbing, Arnie takes off. But it is alleged that when he was found, he did not remember anything. And he was like, huh? I did what?

SPEAKER_01: 25:56

Right. Right.

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So he gets arrested. And um, now the Warrens, they have already like pre-meditated this happening after the exorcism of David. They went to the police and said, I feel like something bad is gonna happen and a killing may involve. And I think she actually said stabbing.

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Yeah.

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And um, so they I don't know if they took it seriously or not, because the Warrens weren't with the police, they weren't with the church, they weren't with, I mean, they had already been at this for about 30 years.

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This is like a premeditation, premeditated cohort, coher cohorsed, coherced, co-coerced, coerced, yeah, all the worst and yeah. I think just planting all that the the seed in there, and then you put all the rest of it in the salad, you know, everything just exploded uh on top of you know the alcohol and the the relationship and the the turmoil and everything hit the fan all at one time. He probably used all of that to actually manifest something that turned into something, you know, like the knife and shit. Yeah. I feel like they kind of planted the seed there, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 27:12

I mean, maybe Lorraine had some, because you know, they had been involved with this family a lot over the past few months. Maybe she knew that um Debbie was was running around on Arnie. Maybe she knew.

SPEAKER_01: 27:28

Yeah, well, then they all might have confided into him different in different situations, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 27:32

Maybe they they pulled him in, you know, and there's still a lot of the story that we just don't know, probably never will.

SPEAKER_01: 27:38

Right. Had had independent confessions or something with them, with each of them, and they all kind of fucking knew what was in their minds and then started feeding off of that to create a huge narrative, you know.

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But Lorraine and Ed said, no, Arnie didn't do this. The devil did because he tested the devil and the devil entered him and possessed him, and this would literally be the trial of the devil made me do it.

SPEAKER_01: 28:02

And they were trying to use that because they were getting away with that shit in Europe, right?

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I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 28:07

Yeah, I seen on the doc that we were watching. Okay, yeah, that was like a defense that actually did work in Europe, like in a couple of trials. Yeah, I seen that shit.

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And Europeans, what the fuck?

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Yeah, the devil made me do it. And didn't work over here. At least that judge kind of fucking was like, nah.

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This yeah, the judge in in in Bridgeport, Connecticut, or whatever uh whatever county that was, yeah, was like, no. No, he was like, so this is what they they decided to turn around and make it a self-defense case because Alan had had a hold of one of the girls who was a minor child, which was a crime in within itself. So, but that didn't work either.

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Well, it kind of did because brought it down to manslaughter, brought it down to manslaughter.

SPEAKER_00: 28:49

Arnie is sentenced to 25 years, but he gets five. He was a good boy, he was a good boy, and he received some degrees in prison, and he married Debbie in prison, and he was out in five years. Now he was on parole, so he had probably another five of probation. I don't I don't really know how long. Beautiful wedding.

SPEAKER_01: 29:11

If I ever go to prison, let's get a divorce and get remarried back in prison.

SPEAKER_00: 29:18

No way we can have a beautiful wedding. Well, I think in prison that's the only way that you can go see the only conjugal vigil. A person that's not related to you. Or I mean, okay, so I think you can only have people that are related to you. So if you're not married, I don't I don't know the rules.

SPEAKER_01: 29:36

Yeah. But it probably depends on the prison, you know?

SPEAKER_00: 29:39

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because well, yeah, that wouldn't make sense because there, I mean, there's murderers that have uh uh journalists and all that shit come in and talk to them. So I don't know, I don't know. Um, but I do know that um that happens a lot. Uh a girl that I used to work with, I just seen that she just married this guy like out of The blue. This was just no be being nosy on Facebook. Well, it was in my news feed. And then he was in prison.

SPEAKER_01: 30:06

We did a string of podcasts where women were like chasing after the murderers and serial killers and shit.

SPEAKER_00: 30:12

Oh, I know. That's wild. Now, at the same time, Revolution. I'm very glad that Lori.

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There you go. That was a good one.

SPEAKER_00: 30:22

That's a different one.

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That's a different story. That's a different thing.

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Got involved with Damien to help save him from death row. Yeah. To get she was very she was like, oh my God, he didn't do this. Let me help him. And then they fell in love and she has worked and she they married and she has worked her ass off for what is it, 30 years now? 25, I think, is how long she's been involved.

SPEAKER_01: 30:46

That was our last um last October's where we did the whole satanic panic stuff again. Cause we think, and we keep bringing that back up because we support them boys. We really do.

SPEAKER_00: 30:56

And we're waiting. We're just waiting for the justice.

SPEAKER_01: 30:58

That's what we're waiting on. We're gonna keep bringing those guys up from you know the Memphis three.

SPEAKER_00: 31:06

We have a three-parter on that.

SPEAKER_01: 31:07

Westman's we've been talking about them forever, man.

SPEAKER_00: 31:10

Oh, yeah. I'm I'm gonna plug them forever because it's it's I'm very just I don't know, that case is really special to me. But um, there's I mean, yes, those guys got out on an alpha plea, but they are still convicted murderers and they didn't do it. And the guy that did, or the people that did, commit the murders have never been brought to justice. They're still walking round. They still walking round.

SPEAKER_01: 31:34

Which I think is one person, but that's just our opinion. Just our opinion, revolution, our opinion, revolution. But uh I'm glad this is kicking in because I was kind of earlier, I was kind of blah, dude. We went and ate earlier and fam. Been relaxing.

SPEAKER_00: 31:48

Well, breakfast slash lunch, brunch with the fam.

SPEAKER_01: 31:50

Got the cosmic vibe over here trying to get me alive. Revolution.

SPEAKER_00: 31:54

And I am sitting, I've turned my air down, but I'm sitting over here on the verge of a uh uh heat, a heat a fuck, a hot flash.

SPEAKER_01: 32:03

Oh, yeah, yeah. Full parry mode over here.

SPEAKER_00: 32:05

Yeah, I'm like, it's already starting to beat up. But so we're gonna wrap up our recap. So that is go back and listen to the full episode to get all the details. And um, yeah, so when you're watching The Devil Made Me Do It, um just think about it with a different frame of mind. Actually, we haven't watched that one. No, no, we just watched The Conjuring One and Two, and we've watched a couple of the nuns, they suck. So, but like a lot of Annabelle.

SPEAKER_01: 32:33

A lot of that all ties in just the same with what happened in Ocean Avenue. It was like, okay, they're trying to dive off into something they can't afford.

SPEAKER_00: 32:41

Way out of their price, right?

SPEAKER_01: 32:43

Money stress, right? Now you're adding the alcohol and you're adding the relationship and the crazy status of all that, and being able to persuade children into doing something that's crazy, and then build a whole thing, and then boom, boom, Ed and Lorraine show up, and then everything is just completely fucking scriptured, and a lot of it ties in with the exorcism.

SPEAKER_00: 33:06

So and I want to go ahead because we're gonna talk about Ed and Lorraine for two more episodes, so I want to go ahead and mention so far um things that they have made money off of just by what we've talked about. So they've made funny off money off of Amityville book and movie, they've made money off of the Gladsel family book and uh and an entire universe of movies. And um, there's gonna be more books and more movies that we're gonna talk about in the next episode.

SPEAKER_01: 33:34

So And herein comes Netflix, so they're gonna cha-ching on that one too, right?

SPEAKER_00: 33:39

Uh, I don't know if they made any money off of those. I mean, they were both gone by that point.

SPEAKER_01: 33:43

Well, Ed and Rain didn't, but you know, ever, you know, the the parties involved.

SPEAKER_00: 33:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 33:47

Yes.

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Parties involved. So it's all gonna come together, and I'm going, I'm literally gonna list out everything that they had their hand in, um, like that they made money off of, and they made money off of the Gladstell and Johnson family family. And they had even at one point told the fam or told David that he was gonna be a rich little boy, but he was not. I think it was what did I say for?

SPEAKER_01: 34:12

They literally did say they were gonna be rich, and they all went to California and get fucked shit out of the state.

SPEAKER_00: 34:17

Well, they uh they got and now the mother, she went on to do interviews and stuff. The dad, he was a whole vibe. Carl Sr.

SPEAKER_01: 34:25

With his hat that said documented. Yeah, it was wearing like a trucker hat that said fuck off or something.

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I was like, that's my guy.

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That's my guy.

SPEAKER_00: 34:33

He reminded me of like a mixture of Wayland Jennings and Charlie Daniels.

SPEAKER_01: 34:36

That's what I said. Wayland's on the on the screen now.

SPEAKER_00: 34:39

Yes, but also with a Charlie Daniels vibe, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 34:42

Yeah, it was really cool.

SPEAKER_00: 34:43

Old school 70s, um, good old boy, you know. Um, but yeah, he was a whole vibe. I I I don't know why I got great, I got great vibes from the Carls. Not from anybody else.

SPEAKER_01: 34:54

Yeah, no, he was he was a cool cat, man. I could tell. What are you swatting him for? But your nails, they're sharp, they're gonna put out somebody's eyes.

SPEAKER_00: 35:01

Yeah, it was fun in here. I and we had that door open last night. We fried some good chicken. We did the Cheeto chicken tenders.

SPEAKER_01: 35:09

It was good, it was good. We were that's where we were watching the dock too, or the Netflix stuff. We were cooking the Netflix stuff, and we were like, we were cooking, we were chilling, we're doing our thing.

SPEAKER_00: 35:17

We were frying food, and my house still smells like a fried tender, even with all the wax warmers and candles.

SPEAKER_01: 35:22

So, all in all in a circle here. Follow us Friday, though. We're gonna be dropping some shit.

SPEAKER_00: 35:29

We're gonna start part one of our two-part series on Ed and Lorraine Warren and talk about some more cases they're involved in. But give a little backstory and and some more information about them.

SPEAKER_01: 35:40

More about the revolution.

SPEAKER_00: 35:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 35:42

Yeah, revolution.

SPEAKER_00: 35:44

And some uh the devil. Some shit that just kind of blew my mind when I found out about all of their stuff a couple of years ago.

SPEAKER_01: 35:51

So all of that's good evidence. We want video, more audio. I want to I I'm still half-assed on the fence, but I'm I don't know, I don't know, Lindsay. You're like, oh you're on the fence. I don't know. But I haven't seen enough yet. I want to be a few.

SPEAKER_00: 36:05

Out of all the cases that I have, I have, I know in my head so far that you don't know. Yeah. But there's one. There's one. And I'm gonna talk about it uh in a couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_01: 36:14

So you're light years ahead of me on this whole narrative thing. So I'm just now I have to say that I'm still on the fence right now.

SPEAKER_00: 36:23

The one that I actually kind of believe they really weren't a part of. They tried to put themselves in it, but they weren't really like big, so it's that's why I believe.

SPEAKER_01: 36:32

Something cool enough to be half-ash legit, and they were like, but wait, yeah, revolution.

SPEAKER_00: 36:36

Yeah, but anyways, we're gonna wrap up this recap. So stay tuned for our episode on Friday. Happy Halloween. We love you guys so much. We are going to hydrate and get started recording.

SPEAKER_01: 36:48

And it's gonna be like a group seven type session.

SPEAKER_00: 36:51

So oh, yes, yeah, we're on group seven.

SPEAKER_01: 36:54

Well, Friday, not here. You're on group like six and a half, six point nine, maybe. Yeah, group seven Friday. Check us out. We're gonna be there. We're gonna be doing two parts of Ed and Lorraine. So we're gonna start our first part coming up. So we'll see you guys then. So excited, though.

SPEAKER_00: 37:11

We love you so much. Like, subscribe, comment, follow, share, and revolution. And revolution for sure.

SPEAKER_01: 37:18

Absolutely. Bye.