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EPISODE 56: Emily Pike
A surprise reunion at the table quickly turns into one of our heaviest episodes: the life and loss of 14-year-old San Carlos Apache girl Emily Pike and the systems that failed her. We walk through the timeline with care—from unprosecuted assaults and a distant group home to repeated runaways labeled as routine, the denial of an Amber Alert, delayed notifications, and the devastating discovery near Globe, Arizona. This isn’t about sensationalism. It’s about clarity, accountability, and what must change right now.
We unpack why Indigenous communities carry a disproportionate burden of violence, how jurisdictional gaps slow action, and how predators exploit public knowledge of where vulnerable kids live. You’ll hear about Emily’s Law—the Turquoise Alert designed to close the gap when an Amber Alert won’t trigger—and why speed, training, and coordination can be the difference between life and death. We also dig into the culture of youth facilities: “hands-off” policies, rigid chore regimes, and communication breakdowns that normalize risk and silence urgency.
Joining us is musician, cultural leader, and SAG member Al Santos, sharing the healing power of song, the reality of loss in Indian Country, and how art and advocacy keep names from disappearing into paperwork. His perspective ties grief to action: show up, speak up, and push for oversight that puts children first.
If Emily’s story moves you, turn that feeling into action. Learn your state’s alert criteria. Share verified case info. Press for Turquoise Alerts, faster family notifications, and real oversight of group homes. Support Indigenous-led MMIWP organizations and keep the conversation going in your circles. Subscribe, share this episode with a friend, and leave a review to help this reach more people who can help demand better.
FOLLOW AL SANTOSE AND ALL HIS ADVENTURES
https://www.last.fm/music/OTTERTRAIL/+wiki
https://www.facebook.com/ottertrail/
https://prowrestling.fandom.com/wiki/Prince_Al_Farat
AND JESSE SINGING WITH OTTERTRAIL ON THIS ONE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcYvDt9ffYo
ALERT INFO AND EMILY'S LAW
https://www.azdps.gov/turquoise-alert
MMIP INFO
https://www.bia.gov/service/mmu
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AS ALWAYS D-A-S
Hey Jesse. Hello, Lindsay. Holy shit. Hello. We've got guests today. We do. We do. And so hey, Erin. And hey, Morgan. Erin and Morgan. Yay!
SPEAKER_04:Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Oh, wait, wait. Yay!
SPEAKER_01:And we even have a special guest that may be on this later on. So maybe we'll see. We'll see. So you bring the guest and I'll bring the guest and we'll have all guests. We're guesting.
SPEAKER_02:So Aaron Russell Sumner is my best friend for like oh my god. Almost 20 years. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, if we met, yeah. Yeah. 18 years ago.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you were a babe. And I was in my mid-20s. And Morgan is her wife that we absolutely fucking love.
SPEAKER_03:And she's still a babe.
SPEAKER_02:She's yeah. Morgan's still a babe. No. She's oh yeah. Aaron will always be. Yeah, compared to my age, Erin is a babe. And then Morgan is the babe of this table right now.
SPEAKER_01:So great to have you guys on. Thank you for coming.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they just you surprised me. I did.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god. Lindsay didn't know, y'all. Lindsay did not know.
SPEAKER_02:At all.
SPEAKER_01:And then all of a sudden, like, she's in the crapper, right? Let me break this story down to you guys.
SPEAKER_02:I literally was. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Lindsay's dropping a deuce, right? And they they come in the front door and I'm like, wait a minute, Lindsay's pooping.
SPEAKER_04:And Aaron's like, should I be quiet?
SPEAKER_01:Should I be real quiet? And I'm like, no, it's okay. Let me go get my cooler. Let me go do this. And Morgan's like, what do I need to do? This is your plan. Oh my gosh, what do I need to do? And I'm like, I'm just gonna go in here and hang out with Lindsay. And then we're talking about the trash heap again.
SPEAKER_02:The trash heap from Fraggle Rock.
SPEAKER_01:Fraggle Rock, trying to find out who did the voice. I thought it was a uh I thought it was a female um like RB singer or something. I was like, wasn't she like Motown or something? Like wasn't that Momo? Was it Momo? It might have been.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. But we'll have to we'll have to deep dive trash here.
SPEAKER_01:Was where we got all of our wisdom over here on this side of the table, me and Lindsay. They're a little bit younger. They I don't know, they probably watched Fraggle Rock. Yeah. Okay, good, good, good. So that's where we got our knowledge. That's our real parents there.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you forgot that um Lindsay's parents wouldn't allow her to watch Fraggle Rock. So when I lived with my real mother or my birth mother, I won't say real, my birth mother, that was like all that we watched. Yeah. Because it was in the height of its, I mean, it was in its peak. And then when I moved in with my dad and stepmother, they were like, no, Fraggles are the double.
SPEAKER_01:You're not allowed to dance your cares away in the name of Jesus.
SPEAKER_02:And it was like a whole era in for me. And like I mourned that showed in everything as a childhood.
SPEAKER_01:You know, I had worries for another day. You know?
SPEAKER_02:So when my kids were older, you know, down at you know, Fraggle Rock.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And then like the doozers, we talked about the doozers, and that taught us like work ethic because it's like, you know, you work hard, but you don't always have somebody just eating everything that you do, you know.
SPEAKER_02:So well, that's what I was gonna say when I would go visit my cousin, um, who's a little older than me. Her she let her daughter watch it on video on VHS. So it was like, oh, I can watch Fraggle Rock. And I was like 14, and I was like, I can watch Fraggle Rock again.
SPEAKER_01:But hey. Over here, this is good. This isn't a Fraggle Rock episode, though, Lindsay. I'm not trying to cut you off.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01:This is a revolution episode.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. This is a revolution episode. That's why I got y'all love some revolution stuff. You love the little fist in the air, and I love it. And we're gonna get on that. So Lindsay comes out of the crapper, boom. Um I got her on video. I'm gonna put it on all the stuff.
SPEAKER_02:I know I was like, why is he videoing me?
SPEAKER_01:And like my sister showed up, so it's like everybody's like, all of a sudden, she came out to a poo-poo party. And this is really cool.
SPEAKER_03:Poo-poo party. Yeah, guess what? Congratulations. Congratulations, yes, party. Poo-poo poo.
SPEAKER_02:So I walked out to the garage and I saw Aaron and Morgan and I almost fell. Yeah, like I was like, like it took me a minute to register that they were standing in front of me. And then I was like, okay, hugs, time for hugs. And I was like, oh my god. Like, and it was weird because you randomly mentioned Aaron's famous smoked salmon dip earlier while we were having food, having a little lunch. No, you can't. Like, I literally exactly. I think I was like, why is I mean, like, literally in my head, I'm like, that's weird that he would just bring that up out of nowhere.
SPEAKER_01:I think you yeah, I think you uh misunderstand the sneakiness over here.
SPEAKER_02:I do.
SPEAKER_01:Is that from Adam Sandler?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, very, very sneaky. That's uh John Taturo, right? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna have a revolution. We're gonna be talking about something that I know a little bit about and I've been around it for many, many years. And uh later on in the podcast, we might add a uh very big celebrity, amazing person that I've uh been in contact with.
SPEAKER_02:So we'll go ahead and roll the intro. Okay. Okay, you guys ready?
SPEAKER_01:Happy Friday. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Happy Friday.
SPEAKER_01:Let's do this.
SPEAKER_04:Woo!
SPEAKER_01:Yes. I hope everybody's weekend is amazing. Look at everybody just dance.
SPEAKER_02:Dancing thing.
SPEAKER_03:I am whatever it's cool.
SPEAKER_02:So first, Jesse, I gotta ask you what are you drinking today? I didn't ask you up the rip.
SPEAKER_01:Well, when Erin came over, she brought some vodka. And we talked about her cup, which actually said it's not the Kool-Aid, it's flavored.
SPEAKER_02:It says it's not Kool-Aid, it's actually flavored. It's flavor aid.
SPEAKER_01:So of course I break out flavor aid because it goes good with vodka. So it really does. Aaron and I were drinking Jim Jones.
SPEAKER_02:Jim Jones over here. Yeah, that is what we have. Uh just yeah, that's vodka and flavorade is the Jim Jones.
SPEAKER_01:That's the Gen Z Jim Jones.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. Yeah. Aaron, what are you or Morgan? What are you having to jump? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Aaron 2.0. Um, I think I'm having one of the fuck that your son made, which is like uh Crown and Dr.
unknown:Pepper. Dr.
SPEAKER_01:Crown, yeah, Crown and DP. Yes. I don't like it either. He gave me that shit too before.
SPEAKER_03:I don't like it. It I feel like it I'm drinking Jolly Ranchers. Like I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:That's a string, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I guess, but and never drink it again.
SPEAKER_02:I was thinking, you know, back back in our youth, there was a um it was it was a malt liquor or it was a malt drink um called Zima. Zima that we would put Jolly Ranchers in and let's.
SPEAKER_01:If you have had benders on Zima, let us know.
SPEAKER_02:I don't even know what that drink was. It was a little seltzery, a little put a Jolly Rancher in it. It had no flavor at all. Yeah. But if that's why we would put the Jolly Ranchers in. It was like um that's so it was like a smearing off, but with no flavor. So we would put the Jolly Ranchers in to get the flavor. You had to let them sit a while, dissolve, do the thing. And that was our that was uh what us 80s babies were drinking in the late 90s, mid to late 90s, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So what are you drinking over there, Lindsay?
SPEAKER_02:I have uh so I had to get white claw this week because I did all my shopping at Walmart instead of Aldi where I usually get my Vista Bay seltzer's, but I got white claws, I got the uh the pack that has the peach and the mango. Sweet. And as we've talked about before, I don't like the mango by itself, but mixed with the peach, it is superb. So that is what I have in my Bucky's cup.
SPEAKER_01:And I wanted to say a quick little disclaimer because uh this is around a lot of Native American history and Native American things we're gonna be plugging in here. Uh and we like to drink on our podcast, but we do it responsibly.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:And I know that alcoholism throughout uh reservations and things and throughout, you know, just society, period, we do it responsibly over here. And uh if you're gonna drink and partake, do it responsibly.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, disclaimer.
SPEAKER_01:Disclaimer, whatever disclaimers and claiming and disclaiming. Yes. So that's what uh our thing is about. Like we uh we have drinks, we talk about the drinks, and we talk about whatever Lindsay's talking about. True crime. And she puddles me, and I don't know this script over here, but I know a little bit about it. And I'm just excited about this whole day. Everybody around me is amazing. And I just wanted to say thank you, Lindsay, for having us.
SPEAKER_02:And thank you. Yes, and thank you guys for coming all the way over from Jacksonville, which is our leading city and listeners. Yes, thank you, Jacksonville. Thank you, Jacksonville. Period. We love you. Yes. Go Jags.
SPEAKER_04:Sorry.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they could go.
SPEAKER_02:And what's the baseball team? What's the baseball team? The jumbo shrimp or some shit? Jacksonville Sun?
SPEAKER_01:Was it?
SPEAKER_02:Is it a shrimp?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, is it the sun, you know, the suns. That was the jumbo shrimp.
SPEAKER_02:Jumbo shrimp. We love us some jumbo shrimp.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I feel a certain type of way about that.
SPEAKER_01:I do too. I would rather be a son than a shrimp.
SPEAKER_03:Scrimps.
SPEAKER_01:Shrimp and that's cool. Whatever, change your name, whatever.
SPEAKER_03:I just acquired some shrimp traps and super wanting a shrimp. You want to go shrimp on the boat, like Forrest? I don't have a fucking boat.
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna get her.
SPEAKER_03:She's got the trap.
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna get her like a five-gallon bucket. She can put her, she can get in that. This is my Jenny.
SPEAKER_02:So we'll just take we'll just take you to the beach and you can just like do it, like weighed out there with the nuts.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, we'll talk about that later.
unknown:Yeah, it's a secret.
SPEAKER_03:Otherwise, I'm gonna get any fucking shrimp. Right, yes.
SPEAKER_02:You cannot know about Morgan's.
SPEAKER_01:It's on Dun's Creek somewhere. It's not guaranteed.
SPEAKER_03:No. Oh, whatever. No.
SPEAKER_02:Just like absolutely not. Shout out to Duns Creek and take it to the Matthews Bridge. Shut the bridge. Is that the one that I is that the one that I hate?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think. That's the one that's steep.
SPEAKER_03:No, that's the damn point.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Shrimp can actually collect on any fucking bridge. Oh. In North Florida. Pick a bridge. Speaker Bridge. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:She got a career going on over here.
SPEAKER_03:She's gonna be a career shrimp boat. Somehow, I don't know. I just want to fucking shrimp. With a five-gallon bucket.
SPEAKER_02:It was cool in uh New Hampshire. We stayed at Hampton Beach and we woke up early to see the sunrise and we watched a shrimp uh uh shrimp boat. All morning. Uh all morning.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, bing bing bing, just kind of going about it.
SPEAKER_02:It was super cute. It was like I got pictures of it, it's a whole thing.
SPEAKER_01:The rocking memory templates in the background, the sun just come up perfectly right where we were at. Anyhow, Lindsay, we have stories.
SPEAKER_02:We do.
SPEAKER_01:So we we drink things, we tell stories, she puddles us. She's gonna horrifically puddle us with it.
SPEAKER_02:And then Jesse plugs a band at the end. So always make sure that you stay till the end to hear some new music because enlighten yourself. Yes, embrace new music.
SPEAKER_01:Happy Native American month, everybody. Indigenous.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, indigenous. And yeah, welcome to November. Welcome to Indigenous. What is it? Tell me the whole name.
SPEAKER_01:Indigenous people, first First Nations people.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Is that what we call it? We're gonna call it all the correct things. And if we mess up later, it's okay. We already said it first.
SPEAKER_02:Well, and give a little brief um everything that you've been through you the your association with the native community over in your lifetime.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna just me being me.
SPEAKER_02:How's that? You know, I'm gonna ask you what made you feel old this week.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my goodness, Lindsay. So I'm sitting here in Jenkos right now. Original OG Jenkos, right? He sure is. So uh the style has come back a little bit, but the women are wearing it. And I'm like, why? Dude, revolution. I want to wear mine too. And they're lovely. I love them. They're stiff, they don't stretch, and I feel too old and too big to be wearing them, but you know what? I'm doing it, and I look cool in it, I think.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you do.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:That kind of made me feel old a little bit. I mean, I wrote something down over there, but I don't even remember that.
SPEAKER_02:So, what you said is that um your hand scratches that came out of nowhere.
SPEAKER_01:I'm like, I'm looking and I've got like these dings and dents and scratch. I'm like my thin old skin, yeah. But I thought the Jeep things was way cooler. Either way, I'm old and I feel that way sometimes. Sometimes. On stage last night, I did not. Welcome back, Shadow the Earth. We kicked ass.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, and they played with Galactic Empire. That was brad.
SPEAKER_03:I heard so much about that.
SPEAKER_01:So good. All the audio is coming back. I'm like, my chick really did good. You gotta check it out.
SPEAKER_02:And it is raining outside if you guys happen to hear water, because I did not know. I had to look outside. I'm like, oh, there's water. It's raining.
SPEAKER_01:And then in comes the cold front. We're gonna experience uh three days of winter.
SPEAKER_03:Wow, I can't I fucking can't wait.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's uh three days of fall, we'll say.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like what two types of winter are you? Yeah, it's not consecutive.
SPEAKER_02:No, not at all. It'll go from 30 to 80 within two days in Florida.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna pretend I like live in fucking Pennsylvania.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like I feel like you would enjoy because y'all were kind of aiming toward like what Tennessee area or something like that. Virginia. Virginia? Yeah, you're kind of aiming towards seasons.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we we were looking to transfer within the company, but now we do a lot of work there. Um, but uh Pittsburgh is okay. Yeah, I'm good friends. Because I can live up there. Yeah, we could transfer up there and Lindsay's gonna learn how to fly.
SPEAKER_02:That way I can come see you guys figure it out all the time. Reasons for you to move. I know and then any excuse excuse to see my friends and Pennsylvania, period. Because I loved Pennsylvania.
SPEAKER_03:Pittsburgh yet.
SPEAKER_02:So we didn't go to Pittsburgh, but we went to Philly and then we went to Gettysburg and we drove through Hershey and a lot of the beautiful scenery Amish area. Oh my god, it was insane.
SPEAKER_03:Morgan's main draw are the fresh potatoes because her potatoes. So I went there for um for a week for work, and I man, I just fell in love with the French fries. Like, I'm a fat ass. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Uh we listen, we love us some food at this table.
SPEAKER_03:Let's start a side podcast and talk about food amazing. And she's like, yada yada, you know, it's just whatever. Um, it's just not my thing. But yeah, she was like, uh, it's it's not my thing, you know, because it's just farmland, and honestly, the political scheme is just not the best. So I think it's very tough when it comes to politics right now, and we're not gonna really get into it.
SPEAKER_01:Period.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we're not gonna get into it because it's very complicated.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. But this is a revolution podcast on this one, but we don't have to bring in politics to it. We're just gonna bring true ass human stuff that needs to be recognized globally, and I'm about that.
SPEAKER_03:It's very important, but um, I think that's something that is a whole episode on its own. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Um we won't like glorify in it or anything like that. But anyway, I was uh when I was there in Pennsylvania for a week, I was like, man, french fries are so fucking low. You know, I I thought it was amazing. And so just about a uh uh about a year ago, um Aaron was like man, you know, after taking my best friend to Pittsburgh and just witnessing what it is to be in Pennsylvania.
SPEAKER_02:That's right, you did go there, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Wow, this is fucking amazing. It's so beautiful, and it is. And um, you can look out your window and there's a mountain. Yeah, but the equality that Pittsburgh has, you know, like it's just I don't know, I just think just by um, you know, her and her best friend just talking about what Pittsburgh is over the course of the the last year is like it's just amazing to me.
SPEAKER_02:And that's what's where Eden is now, right? Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So we um you should do it. I know, yeah. I'm over here looking at you right now.
SPEAKER_02:So give us give us excuses to go back to Pennsylvania. Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Housing affordability. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:That's that's a good reason right there.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, we're going too. We're going.
SPEAKER_01:I should you not. Yeah, let's go. A lot of people are moving around though, you know, just everywhere trying to, you know, have a little comma where they can get set in and actually, you know, focus towards some kind of retirement.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But all that aside, Lindsay has this amazing ass story.
SPEAKER_02:I'm all about the well, I haven't said what's made me feel old yet. Oh, you didn't, did you? I bought blanket. No, I was we gotta go around. So I bought plant covers because we have a freeze coming.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_02:Take care of the babies. I gotta protect my baby. So I I literally got my plant cover in from Amazon yesterday so I can cover up my plants and they don't die in 30-degree weather.
SPEAKER_01:Like like laughing and crying, dying.
SPEAKER_02:That's just these emotional support.
SPEAKER_01:Lindsay's thumb is not so green. It's not. It's green enough to keep the whole emotional support plant going, so I love that. Right? We'll wrap that back up.
SPEAKER_02:And I've looked I've got my little succulents and cactuses going over there. She's doing it. I have revived the snake plant that the grandbaby broke. Yeah.
unknown:Yeah. That's nice.
SPEAKER_02:So the other group plant, it died. Aeronaves. We're not gonna talk about that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um jumpingly sad. Six seven. About an hour ago, and I had a visceral reaction.
SPEAKER_01:Six seven. She looked at me like she wanted to cut my whole life into pieces. I was like, this is my last resort. I was like suffocation, and she was like, no breathing. No breathing. And she didn't give a fuck.
SPEAKER_02:If you cut your arm bleeding, yes.
SPEAKER_01:That made you feel all I actually brought it to your attention. I was like, Are you a boomer now?
SPEAKER_02:Or she's like, What a true millennial in the face. Yes.
SPEAKER_01:So is that the new one? Are you allowed to say, like, I'm a millennial now?
SPEAKER_02:We're a millennial to this table.
SPEAKER_01:We're skipping Gen X all the way, just going straight to the millennial.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Millennial. Well, we're we're on you and I are on the cusp. Aaron is an absolute millennial. We're on the cusp between Gen X and Millennial. Yeah. And Morgan's close.
SPEAKER_01:She's she's kind of in-between ish too, so there's yeah, the middle child.
SPEAKER_02:And she and she's a younger millennial, yes. Younger millennial. We're elder, Aaron's middle, and then Morgan is yes. So yeah. Period millennials at the table right now.
SPEAKER_01:Millennial Revolution. I keep saying that because I think Lindsay's really going to have us up in arms here in a little bit. All right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I'm so happy that y'all are here, but I am sad about the case that I'm about to present to you because it is rough. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Welcome to my world. Buckle up. Oh, my world as well. Shit.
SPEAKER_02:So there are a lot of trigger warnings in this episode. This is a horrific case that happened just this year and is unfortunately unsolved.
SPEAKER_03:So this is a recent case.
SPEAKER_02:Very recent.
SPEAKER_01:But it's been an epidemic for a year.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna get into that, right?
SPEAKER_03:It's just recently in Captain.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. This, yeah, this happened this year. So Emily Carla Pike was a member of the San Carlos Apache tribe and grew up on the reservation. I put in Mesa, Arizona, but that is wrong. It just said this southeastern Arizona is where that tribe or where that reservation is. Mesa, Arizona is where she will end up. But we'll talk about that. So she was born on May 16th, 2010, to Stephanie Ducella and Jensen Pike. She had four other siblings named Jasper, Destiny, Damari, and Josiah. And she was also very close with her cousins, Jada and Tyrea. She was very soft-spoken, caring, artistic, and her favorite color was pink, which I resonated with. That's my second favorite color. So it's purple, pink, silver, black. Yes, for me. And uh she loved animals and eventually wanted to become a veterinarian. Unfortunately, her home life was not great. Her father was in and out of prison most of her life and is currently serving time now. It's for minor infractions, but and just, you know, he's kind of institutionalized. Her mother struggled with addiction, but as of 2024, it seems she is on the road to sobriety. In early 2023, Emily was 12 years old, and she reported that she had been sexually assaulted, and the offender was not charged at the time, but later would be because he assaulted somebody else. But unfortunately, hers kind of went unnoticed.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I hate that. Later in July of 2023, Emily reported that she was sexually assaulted again. She was found after the call was made without a shirt on and had been assaulted by a relative, and she was only 12. Don't do me like this, Lindsay. I'm sorry, I told you three days ago that this was horrific. Okay. Now, this man was arrested, but he was released a few days later, and the case was closed due to lack of evidence.
SPEAKER_01:No, come on, bring it. You got your fist. I got my fist. I'm over here. Revolution.
SPEAKER_02:Now, Emily's mother felt that the person who conducted Emily's interview was not concerned enough and did not like their family.
SPEAKER_03:Are you fucking serious?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. That's and a rape kit?
SPEAKER_03:Like, was sh shh.
SPEAKER_02:That I a lot of the past cases are just kind of washed away. Yeah. You know what I mean? Unfortunately, this happens a lot with any woman of color and a lot with indigenous women.
SPEAKER_01:And I just unfortunately I just wanted to say, like, there's a lot of times I don't even plug in and ask those questions that come to me because I don't want to know more. I'm I'm very appreciative that y'all are plugging in with every bit.
SPEAKER_02:You got more women at the table today, though.
SPEAKER_01:I love that. I love that this conversation because I don't have to put it in there because y'all are just going to keep bringing it. I think I'm going to get like three ways of just bringing it over here. I think it's going to come because of the questions and the replies and everything. I don't usually ask a lot of those other than just me being puddled. I love that y'all are bringing it, dude. I'm excited about it. Well, I'm about to tell them something else because allegedly. I'm not excited about this whole story, but I'm excited about like everybody being here. This is gonna be cool.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, Jesse, I mean, for one, like, I don't have any like personal experience with this stuff, and I'm thankful for that.
SPEAKER_02:Right, exactly. Same.
SPEAKER_03:But you know, I'm still a woman, and I still have to deal with being a woman, and I don't find it fun.
SPEAKER_02:You know, like I I find it, you know, in 90% of womanhood sucks. Like being a woman sucks.
SPEAKER_03:I'm a woman trying to get into a man's world, and what you know, what a people what a lot of people think is a man's world, and I think it's different. It's um you know, I'm I'm I'm a mechanic in a uh man's world, yeah, as a woman. And so, you know, it's it's tough for me being there, you know. A lot of men just think I'm dumb, you know.
SPEAKER_02:To punch them in the face.
unknown:Yeah, right, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Some of the coolest mechanics are women to me, you know. And even when Erin was was she applied for a position at my work, and it was just like, uh no. I was the boss was like, nah, I don't really want to check working back there. I'm like, are you kidding me? This is the coolest bro of mine right here, you know? Dude was like, no, no. So I've experienced that on the other hand of you guys just being everything that we just respect and let you let you be. We don't we don't care we let everybody be everything.
SPEAKER_03:I think bottom line is like men are growing, right? Like just masculinity as a whole um in culture is growing. And I love that, you know.
SPEAKER_02:It's a lot of generational bullshit that men have to beat off. Yeah, and I'm so happy that I have one that is open-minded, I mean, and and things like that, but because it in this day and age, even in 2025, it's still rare. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But you know, I'm gonna tell you what, you know, just yeah, I love you very much, but like you still will never understand. No, and I'm not trying to attack you anyway. I'm not trying to try and attack masculinity in any type of way, but it's like you will never understand in cry. That's fine.
SPEAKER_02:But I I will give him the credit that he does listen. Oh, I'm not sure. And that is absolutely that is, yeah, hats off to that. But you are 100% correct. He'll never understand, and be grateful that you won't ever have to understand.
SPEAKER_01:No, but always there's no naive in conversation about it because I respect it no matter what.
SPEAKER_03:No, absolutely. That's all that matters. All that matters. I respect everything. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02:And that's why you're here, because we love you because we love all you guys so much. Thank you. Well, unfortunately, in this particular case, also, allegedly, uh because it's not confirmed, but allegedly there wasn't any paperwork filed about the second assault. You fucking kid me. At all. I'm gonna say allegedly. Fuck. Uh, there were a lot of agencies involved when, or there are a lot of agencies involved when something like this happens on a reservation, and one will blame the other when the information goes unnoticed. The system will fail Emily more times than should ever be allowed. She's not the only one, but she is who we are talking about today. And this is gonna be a rough one. I'm just gonna keep that at the top. So after two assaults in one year, this poor sweet girl, her mental health declined, and she would attempt suicide more than once. She was only 12. And this would lead to her being removed from her home and into the care of the San Carlos Apache Tribal Social Service, who would put her in a group home, and this group home was called Sacred Journey Inc. in Mesa, Arizona. She would be there off and on for the next year and a half. This was a hundred miles away from her reservation. It's a long way from home. I mean, we have traversed up and down highways, so a hundred miles to us doesn't seem like a lot, but for somebody who is no is not traveled, a hundred miles is a lot.
SPEAKER_01:And to be stuck with a bunch of, you know, you don't know what kind of people. Right. You're back in some kind of situation that could happen again. And I think you're gonna flip a lot more shit over the house.
SPEAKER_02:Well, this group home is for girls from ages seven to eighteen. And uh their description sets that they utilize a holistic therapeutic approach to provide each child with a supportive, non-judgmental, culturally based experience so that each child can enhance and develop life skills for future survival once they refer uh return to their natural environment. Now she was able to have some contact with her family, but it was limited. Like they're not allowed cell phones and things like that, which in my opinion, I kind of disagree with.
SPEAKER_01:Even Happy Gilmore thought he was dropping his mom off at a cool spot, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_01:His grandma. Grandma, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um, but I think that if they're at least in their preteens or early teens, even at a group home, they could have a cell phone to provide limited access to family members that she needs that contact because when you're away, she needs that contact and support if there's people there to support you.
SPEAKER_01:You want them to be available to help build you back up out of whatever you're in at the moment. So it's a good way to have a phone and contact, you know?
SPEAKER_02:And quick, just very quick side story. Um, I've talked about it before on here. My older two kids were very troubled, and my oldest went to it wasn't a group home, but it was like a ranch where boys can go and learn life skills that did not. It was basically boys that would either get in trouble a lot and not want to listen to their parents. So they would go there and they would learn more structure, more repetitive type situations. And one of the stipulations when he went there, it was for a very brief time, unfortunately. It I think it would have helped if he had been there more long term, but yeah, the fat the the ex-husband intervened.
SPEAKER_01:But anyways, yeah, and then being like a stepfather, honestly, I wanted to plug this in. Like I wasn't so corporal on them, but at the time it was more shock and awe. I would do more shock and awe things, and it was just like this isn't working, and I don't want to level up to anything crazy. So it was like, we need to make choices.
SPEAKER_02:The thing that I didn't like was they did require the first two weeks that they are there, no contact with the family at all, which is very hard for me. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't understand those types of systems. Well, I mean, I I kind of get it because I wanted to say one word on that. Well, it's two words. Reset, reset.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god. Aaron's gonna punch you in the face. I don't even gotta punch you in the face this time.
SPEAKER_01:Aaron's gonna do it.
SPEAKER_02:Uh no, we have broke that down, I think, on the pod before.
SPEAKER_01:Aaron was in a band of mine. But anyhow, we'll talk about that. Uh, if if you guys want to hear about it, hit us up. And uh just a big one. So the reset, the reset, reset, though, uh, was for them to actually break away a little bit from the household and let them kind of reset their their way of structure and everything in that in that environment.
SPEAKER_02:But my oldest was the same age as Emily at that time, and 12 is young still. She's a baby.
SPEAKER_03:And she's been through so much already.
SPEAKER_02:All right, yeah. Way more than my kid went through. Yeah. So, I mean, my kid went through some shit, but nothing like Emily has gone through.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I feel like more than anybody at this table. I mean, especially that age for sure. You know, it's just horrific.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we have our we have our dog chewing that went through boot camp.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, chewy.
SPEAKER_03:So like we couldn't see him. But yeah, we couldn't see him or anything for our.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, these are the mothers of my uh niece and nephew fur babies. Yes. R, R.
SPEAKER_01:Our niece and nephew fur babies. Or our. Is it R or hour? I like to do the I like to do the word play sometimes with the potatoes and potatoes.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly, potato. It looks like a little potato anyway.
SPEAKER_01:I think down here, down here, because uh we're in the south part of Florida. We haven't moved past Orlando, so is it R.
unknown:R.
SPEAKER_01:Whatever. We're in the north part of Florida, you mean? No, no, no, no. The north part of Florida is the south. Oh, we go past the southern we're closer to Georgia.
SPEAKER_02:Well, yeah. What were you saying about Chewy though? Because of the boot camp.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, I was just saying that uh, you know.
SPEAKER_02:And that was hard for you guys. I remember because I was like conversing with Aaron about it. That was fucking tough, man.
SPEAKER_01:That's your baby. You love your animals. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:He's a dog compared to a child, so like it's completely no, no.
SPEAKER_01:The Chewy jersey under yeah, you understand that the jerseys. Yeah, we I'll I'll do it like this again, Aaron, over here, but I'm not gonna say it.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not gonna say it.
SPEAKER_02:Well, say these fur babies are both rescues, and that makes you guys even more awesome because they are. I'm gonna say it in now.
SPEAKER_01:Six seven. Six seven. I did it. Look at that. Well, the kids she's hating on me over here.
SPEAKER_02:The kids at Sacred Journey were free to come and go with permission. Like they could go to the store, the movies, things like that, but they would have a time allotment. Well, Emily and this, and and also many other kids at this place, um, and group homes all over the country, probably the world, uh, would start running away because she just wanted to go home. But home was a hundred miles away. So she would be reported missing four times between September and November of 2023. The agency explains that anytime a child leaves the home without permission, they are required by law to report them missing right away. So even if they return in the same day on their own volition or they are caught by local police, they still have to be reported missing. It's the law. So when that stacks up, I'm just like prefacing here, when that stacks up, it looks like a lot of children have been missing from this area, but it's just the reports. Yeah. So when she would be found and returned by police, she would beg not to return because of the chores and duties that the kids were required to do. Now they were required to do things like scrub walls, baseboards, toilets, depending on whatever, like any kind of punishment. And they also, this facility felt like structure and chores was a way to regulate wild and free kids because a lot of these kids who had come from troubled homes did not know any type of structure.
SPEAKER_01:And not to take away like the missing Native American people.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no, no, no. I'm just explaining this agency kind of how they do their records, right?
SPEAKER_01:You know, they this kid ran away, so they're missing.
SPEAKER_02:Well, and also how they did their daily lives. Right. Um, and and I can just attest from my oldest child being in a situation like this, he would have to do the same thing. Like they had chores in the morning, school during the day, more chores, more chores in the afternoon. It was like farming and stuff, you know, farming type things.
SPEAKER_01:Can you really boil down a lot of it either way to the hardship and things that are happening in Native American culture and society within reservations, you know? There's a lot of things that uh that we don't know about because we're fortunate over here doing our things, but what they have to do.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, they have to live in it's a whole different world than what a white person lives in.
SPEAKER_01:And we don't understand it. A whole different world. I can pull up my you know, my poverty childhood or whatever, and relate some things and alcoholism with my father and things like that. I can pull up some things and I get some of it, but we don't really grasp what's deep-rooted Native American things that are going on. Uh indigenous people. Well, like I yeah, I was gonna say, like I said, her father's poverty-stricken societies, you know, and there's a lot of and her father was in and out of prison, and her mother was an addict, so it's just a terrible situation.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, bottom line is there are a lot of programs that are geared towards um structure and you know, just rehabilitating kids. But there are some shitty ones.
SPEAKER_02:There's a lot of shitty ones, shitty ones, and kids who are not used to any type of structure whatsoever. This is shocking to them. So, of course, they're gonna and and then and then they just she just wanted to go home.
SPEAKER_01:Boom. Just yeah, even if home sucked, to what she's comfortable with, that's what she wanted to do back with.
SPEAKER_03:But again, it's kind of a it it just gears towards that it was a shitty program.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Yeah, so far I'm not hearing a good thing.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's what I'm gonna get into next because she complained that some of the staff were awful to her, and this would be confirmed by other kids in the home. There were other kids in the home. There was another uh one lady that I watched on YouTube, I should have written her name down, who spoke about this case. She said that she actually talked to other kids in the home, and one kid said that she would have rather gone to jail than go back to this home. Right.
SPEAKER_01:We're calling it the Happy Gilmore scenario.
SPEAKER_02:But at the same time, that kid had never been to jail. She just felt like anything would have been better than this home.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Yes, you just want to get away. I mean, here we go, right? You're gonna put us in a shittier situation in the middle of the state.
SPEAKER_02:Because they don't because anything that they're not used to is gonna be shittier than what they're used to.
SPEAKER_03:Bottom line, yeah. It's gonna be shitty no matter what. Yeah. But when it comes to bottom line of what it means for them in the future, it's a lot.
SPEAKER_02:This is so much for kids to intake. And it just early.
SPEAKER_03:That's why we have fucking dogs.
SPEAKER_02:Right. And I listen, and I love that for you guys as a mother of four. Keep the dogs.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. We we love them kids. We love them kids.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, but it is it's not for the faint of heart, for sure. But on November 8th, 2023, a call was made to the police that Emily had attempted suicide again. This was while she was in the home. She had tried to hang herself in a closet with a shoestring and cut her wrists. Now, Emily's aunt and uncle on her father's side, they were gonna try to adopt her in this time setting. And they were approved to take her on a family trip for Thanksgiving. After spending time with Emily on the trip, it became clear to them that Emily may be more than they could take on. So they were shopping at a mall and she ran away. Uh, this was on Black Friday. So, you know, the malls are insane. They had to report her missing because gigantic mall. They were in somewhere in the Oklahoma and Utah area. That was where they were going. She was going to go meet more relatives, things like that. Well, she was found by an officer, and she just screamed to him that she just wanted to go home to her mother or the group home. So even being out with her aunt and uncle was like too much for her.
SPEAKER_01:She was doing the best she could to try to uh get back to everybody else and have a you know a little bit. She just wanted her mom, period.
SPEAKER_02:And unfortunately, her mom was not in a mental state to be a good mom to her at that time. You got me turned out. And she didn't understand that. I know, listen, you're gonna I'm gonna plant the whole time. I'm really, I'm really so sorry. Well, and her Aunt Carolyn was like, hey, you know, Emily, we're here for you and just want to help you and love you. And the officer that was like detaining her had like a hold of her arm, and Emily reached for his gun. So Carolyn said that Emily expressed that she wanted to die by suicide, and she would see her relatives in hell. Like she was very troubled. I know I am too stuck. I can't even look at you right now because I'm gonna go into full-blown tear. So when this happened, she was taken to a hospital for suicide watch. And then she was taken back to the group home and then into a behavioral treatment center for a year. And I couldn't find a lot of what happened anytime during this behavioral uh treatment center period. Well, then she went back to the group home after a year at the treatment center, and they said that she was in a better mental state. She seemed to be back to herself, more focused, and now she wanted to pursue art school. Okay, here's where it gets rough.
SPEAKER_01:No, because I was hoping you were done. You're not even done. You got a whole lot more to go. Lindsay, look at me.
SPEAKER_02:I told you that I'm not gonna look at you because I'm gonna cry and I gotta get through this.
SPEAKER_01:I was really, oh my God. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_02:So on January 27th of this year, 2025, Emily asked permission to use the home's computer to contact her mother and was told no. Obviously, that it that made her upset. So later on in the day, a church group came through to do some uh some activities with the girls. Um uh the it said in a lot of the resources that I watched that this particular church church group and other ones will come in and just like volunteer their time to lift these kids' spirits up, to make things better, to do activities with her or with them. Well, later on in the day, Emily would sneak out of the window to either meet up with a boy that she had met through guitar lessons or to hitchhike home to her mother. She was wearing a pink and gray shirt and set out on foot. Around 7:35 p.m., the staff noticed that she was missing and reported her as a runaway, like right away, to the Mesa Police Department. And they did not see this as an emergency because of her history of running away in the past.
SPEAKER_03:Regardless, she's 12.
SPEAKER_02:She was 14 at this time. I'm sorry. She's four freshly 14 at this time.
SPEAKER_01:That's where the the tears come in because it's broken.
SPEAKER_02:I know.
SPEAKER_01:Little child.
SPEAKER_03:Why would this child run away so many times?
SPEAKER_02:And she's not the only one. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's roots of nastiness.
SPEAKER_03:But hey, if you run a race run away so many times, you you become normal. Right.
SPEAKER_02:So like that's kind of and I had, and Aaron knows I had I went through that with my second child. Like our literal local police department got tired of me calling. But I told them, I said, I'm sorry that you're tired of me calling, but I have to. He is a child. He was actually this age. He was 14 years old. He's still a minor. I'm not gonna get in trouble for not reporting him, and I need to make sure he's safe.
SPEAKER_01:And it was once a month, then it became a once a week. It literally. It was a lot. It was a lot for us to take in, and you know, we did the best we could with it.
SPEAKER_02:Well, when Emily was not found, she was officially listed as a missing slash runaway juvenile. She did not meet the requirements for an amber alert.
SPEAKER_01:What? Not even cool enough to fucking be part of the everything that everybody else gets. She's not she doesn't get she doesn't get the golden ticket of like humanity. No, just regular ass fucking what, Lindsay?
SPEAKER_02:Quit. Hold on. Yeah, I want to say, yeah, we'll talk about that more towards the end.
SPEAKER_01:Pissed off. Revolution.
SPEAKER_02:Well, her CPS case manager wasn't told for a few days. And then her mother wasn't told until February 1st. She went missing on January 27th. Her mother was not told till February 1st. Let that sink in.
SPEAKER_01:That's why we drank. Probably.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that is, yeah. That's our drink about it. For so many reasons, but yeah, I think.
SPEAKER_01:I want our two guests over here just to get fired the fuck up right now because I know they're ready. They're holding in.
SPEAKER_03:Why the fuck not about the Amber Alert? Because this isn't the 70s. This is what, 2024?
SPEAKER_02:And I'm really not sure. Like, as exactly. As much as I looked into it and the and everything, all anybody could say was she didn't meet the requirements for an Amber Alert. I don't know if it's because she was a teenager or because she was a multiple-time runaway. I don't know. But that pissed me off. But flyers were put up everywhere with her description. And which I'm uh, listeners, I'm gonna really quick just give a picture to Jesse, Aaron, and Morgan so they can know. Oh, sorry. My microphone was not in the right spot.
SPEAKER_03:You're gonna share a picture of us flipping.
SPEAKER_02:I just I just want you to have her face and um Yeah, it makes you makes you puddle up even more. Thanks, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_01:I'm sorry, but I want y'all to have a beautiful child child that gets no attention. I hate it. I hate it.
SPEAKER_02:So this was Emily. This was Emily Pike. Oh wow. I'm showing them, and this will be in our stories on Instagram. Drink about something on Instagram, follow us. So on February 14th, uh some folks were walking on a trail on Highway 60 near Globe, Arizona, and found some contractor grade garbage bags. And upon looking into them, they called the authorities. This is a quote, unidentified native woman. Now another girl in the area was missing, and when the remains were determined that they were, they did not belong to her, there was a memo that had gone out that had been released that was only meant for other law enforcement officials and the father of this other missing child. And he shared that private memo. And I just wanted, I just want it to be known that that is the only reason why we know about this case, because that father shared this memo, this private memo, and the remains would be confirmed as Emily's, and they were dismembered. I have I have my tissue's near. Okay. You do.
SPEAKER_04:I see it.
SPEAKER_02:So her head and her tor torso were in one bag, and her legs were in another. Her arms and hands have still not been found to this day. Her family was informed on February 28th, and her death was ruled as a homicide, but the cause was not discovered for some time. It has been ruled now as blunt force trauma because they did notice that the head had trauma. So this case was going to be investigated by it the Gila County Sheriff's Department, the FBI, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, and the San Carlos Apache Tribal Police. Her remains were found 25 miles from her home. So that is most likely where she was headed when she left. Don't forget, she was 100 miles from home in Mesa, Arizona. Her remains were found 25 miles from her home. Now, there were immediate demonstrations, marches, vigils, everything that could be had was held in her honor to bring attention to a case that may have otherwise been looked been looked over completely. The group home was immediately, immediately scrutinized. Because for one, now this is just speculation, but uh why didn't they go out and look for her when they immediately noticed her missing? Now, they do say that they are a hands-off organization. Like they don't put their hands on the kids, they don't physically restrain them. But why couldn't one or two staff go out and look? I I don't know how everything works. I really don't. The only thing that I can compare it to at all is our second son, who is the most troubled member of our family who has been in trouble a lot when he was in a behavioral rehabilitation home when he he ran away one time. And when as soon as they called the police, they called us. It was within 30 minutes of him running away. So easy. And this, like I said, this happened this year. My son was in a place like that eight years ago.
SPEAKER_03:When something like that happens, you want as many people on top of it as possible. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:No matter how many times they do it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it doesn't matter. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, my kid, when he was ran away, they called the police first, they called us second. And it was all within a 30-minute, and I mean, oh, this just really this really bothers me. All of the miscommunication, you know, the agencies would all start pointing at one of one another, like for the blame of why this person didn't do this and that person didn't do that.
SPEAKER_03:And the adult responsible for that child, no matter what circumstance that that child was in, it doesn't matter. Whoever was responsible for that child is at fault. Exactly. Bottom line, it doesn't matter. And for the lack of communication to what happened to her, yada yada, like that is their fault for not reporting sooner, but also the uh law enforcement for not taking it seriously, like and pointing e pointing fingers at each other for blame does not help find this child.
SPEAKER_02:So yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But I think bottom line is like law enforcement could have done more. Well, they wouldn't have to point fingers at each other.
SPEAKER_02:That's what I'm saying. Like them pointing fingers at each other doesn't make it any less horrific. No. Well, where Morgan's talking about, though, over here is the first point of responsibility.
SPEAKER_01:You don't stop until it's solved. Exactly. You don't stop. You you okay. I'm responsible. I don't stop until I have found the best outcome for whatever situation.
SPEAKER_02:So you you're an Amber alert could have saved her life, also.
SPEAKER_01:Like all of that immediate go outside of your jurisdiction because if you feel like that's some bullshit, the intertermal and people wanting to fight against each other between two different societies and two different entities or whatever that are supposed to be there for these people. And the only reason that you keep moving on out in bigger things. You're like, okay, I'm going up the ladder, you're not doing it. I'm gonna go on outside of this and get somebody that will.
SPEAKER_03:The only reason they're pointing fingers now is because the child is dead. Exactly. And dismembered because of the parts of her body had not been like, the bad guy.
SPEAKER_01:Nobody wants to look like the bad guy. But first point is is the adult that is responsible.
SPEAKER_03:Like, I if I were in this circumstance, right, and I was to be the head of this child, I was supposed to be looking after her, and something happened while she was under my care, I would beat the shit out myself.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03:I I I really don't know.
SPEAKER_01:If you go to this completely emotionally distraught because you didn't step up to be a decent human being.
SPEAKER_02:And if you go to this uh website right now, like I looked yesterday, the ratings and the Google reviews now are now they are listed technically as closed, but they're not closed, but they are under serious investigation. Like because another thing was that this facility had 30 reported missing kids, but now part of protocol, many of these reports were multiple for the same kid. Like Emily had, I think, four or five under just her. Yeah. So it was a total of 18 kids that had run away. 30 reports total were made for those 18 kids, but all of them except Emily had been, you know, safely returned. There is one more, though, that they think, and I'm not, uh and this is alleged, that they think is just waiting out her turning 18 to age out of the time. Kind of write her off, right? Yeah. Well, no, for they think that she has ran away and hidden so that she doesn't have to return because she's about to age out of the system. That's what I'm saying. Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01:She's waiting out her time that way they can be like, okay, we're good.
SPEAKER_02:You know, and also for her, she doesn't have to return to this home because she'll be overage. Right.
SPEAKER_01:So I mean, this is the point of awareness globally, because our podcast does reach everywhere in the globe now. And thank you for listening, everyone. This is awareness, and it may happen.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah, and I'm gonna keep plugging awareness, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:As far as like missing, murdered, and true crime for Native American people and especially women, pay attention to what's going on around you and be responsible and level up if you feel like it's not happening in your society, and you're and you're not getting the amber alert that you need because you're not getting that 30-minute response.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I'm not about to talk about that here in a second.
SPEAKER_01:So that's where we're at at this point. That's that's our advocate, though. Yeah, right. You didn't have that person to step up.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and that's just and when you hear about a 14-year-old who was murdered, speculation's gonna run wildly. So people were literally thinking that a sex trafficking ring was happening out of this facility. Now, no official documentation has been, you know, said that this that could even be a possibility, but it's gonna happen if you're not if you have a person in your care that is now deceased and dismembered. So there were even rumors of Emily being a blood sacrifice and that the facility was occult.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, here we go.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And to me, that takes away the seriousness and the absolute horrific tragedy of what happened to this girl who just wanted to go home to her mom. Right. Well, somebody was trying to lean on that, right? And it's like, stop speculating. Let's just get down to business. Like the the system failed her, period. Period. The amber alert system was not in her favor, and that would have saved her life. Now, Sarah Torney from Voices of Justice, who I got a lot of my information from, she says, because she knows she has actually worked with foster kids and in a group home um environment, she has a little bit of experience. So she says that predators know where these homes are, and they know that kids will run away from them, and those kids will be vulnerable. And that makes my skin fucking crawl. Like literally. They're targeting all these distraught. Because they're public facilities that are listed on Google. You can look this one up right now, and they know that people that or that people that children will run away from these to try to get home or to try to go to somewhere else, just try to run away, period. And they're waiting. They're just waiting. And then Emily had two people that were not incarcerated for the crimes that they committed against her, that now knew that she had reported them to authorities. So it just, I gotta take a step on that. Hold on one second. I think we all should know. In my Bucky's cup. But fortunately, there is now a law in place called Emily's Law, and which is a turquoise alert system for individuals and federally recognized tribes that do not meet the criteria for an amber alert, which, like I said before, may have saved Emily's life. This will help future crimes of this nature. The turquoise alert. Now, indigenous women are ten times more likely to be murdered or sexually assaulted assaulted than any other women in North America. Ten times.
SPEAKER_01:That's the awareness we're here for.
SPEAKER_02:Yet are one of the least recognized. And we need to change this now. Right. Now I'm gonna plug this. A$150,000 reward has been set for information on Emily's case. Now, and I haven't been able to find any further updates past April of this year. Her family, along with all the agencies I mentioned, already still continue to fight for justice, and no arrests have been made in her murder. And they really okay, so I told you guys that her hands and arms haven't been found, and they think that those were probably disposed of because of DNA evidence, like if it's under her fingernails, anything like that.
SPEAKER_01:They were thinking that they couldn't identify anything because of what they did by taking that away, probably. Right. And I'm thinking that this was probably from outside of that area where she was trying to get back to her home. She was trying to go home to her mom. Who knows about what the fuck? And I think that there's targets, definitely, for places like this, just like you said, somebody snatched her up and probably offered her a sweet deal.
SPEAKER_02:Well, and I encourage our listeners, just look up anything related to Emily Pike on YouTube as far as interviews with her family and friends, and even video photos of her. That way you can make it more personal for you.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Awareness across the board.
SPEAKER_02:For awareness.
SPEAKER_01:Everyone, tell your children right now, no matter what situation and what point of life you're in, right now, never. Ever trust anybody that's going to offer you some sweet deal because you're depressed, suicidal, you're going through some kid trauma stuff that if you had trauma in your life and you can't figure it out, never trust anybody in an unsafe situation without other people that are there also to be there for you. Get around people that are positive, pay attention to people, teach your children that.
SPEAKER_02:Never mind five and make sure they know, do not trust a stranger.
SPEAKER_01:Never they have an agenda and you don't want to know about it because especially strangers that are right outside a group home setting.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Like, because according to Sarah Turney, and I mean, like, literally listen to any Voices for Justice. So Sarah Turney has, and I'm going to talk about her later on for another case. She has, she's attached to another completely different case of this, which has made her a voices for justice advocate. She has her own podcast and she speaks on things like this to try to help bring awareness to any missing person situation because she is attached to a missing person.
SPEAKER_01:And let this roll down all the way to schools and education and everything, because maybe the parents aren't good enough to portray that on their children. Right. Don't plug our podcast by any means to them, but let the awareness get to them. Everyone. Yeah, keep it PG as you can, but just make kids aware. It's the kid, it's it's it's it's the van and the candy scenario, right? Right. But make it more elaborate where there's situations all throughout life, all throughout your uh whatever being you are, whatever you're going through emotionally, make them understand no matter where you are, never get into that space.
SPEAKER_02:Emily and every other missing and murdered indigenous woman and persons matter, and more reform needs to be had on this subject. And everybody at this table right now can agree to that. So if you listeners have any information about this case, here are numbers that you can call. So the Gila County Sheriff's Department is 928-200-2352. The Bureau of Indian Affairs is 505-917-7830. And the San Carlos Apache Tribe Tribal Police is 928-475-1755. Let's get justice for Emily. And all, I mean, we're going to talk about more in the future, but all missing, murdered and indigenous women and persons, any missing child, period, that didn't.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's so many kids out there that have been just mistreated. And um, you know, there's there's so much justice that could happen for them. And I think it it doesn't just stop at, you know, it's a stranger that on them, you know.
SPEAKER_02:No, because in most cases it's actually somebody in the family. No, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So exactly. And I think um not even for just Native Americans, just humanity as a whole. Like if you think someone is hurting you that you know, report them to even your own parents, maybe, or or even as hard as it may be, or report it or more, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Like I don't know where it would make sense for them in that moment in time, but and that's another, like uh, you know, mostly adults are listening to this, but teach your kids that no matter what, if something happened to you or somebody that you know, talk about it, report it immediately. Even if it may be discouraging at first, keep talking about it, keep reporting it, just keep telling the story until something is done and things like this are lower in statistics or eliminated completely. That would be great. I know that that's you know in a perfect world, right? But the statistics around this type of thing are just so large. It's it's saddening, frightening, all of the above. Like you just you don't want to think about it as a person in you know, in your comfortable world, in your comfortable home, and you haven't been close to something like this, but then when you hear about things like this, you make it personal. Share, do the work. I mean, even uh I mean a simple share about Emily's case can help tremendously.
SPEAKER_01:Put your phones down and have story time. Talk about good shit.
SPEAKER_02:And on your phone, share the case. There you go.
SPEAKER_01:You got it. Be personable, be in in front and make them understand at their level.
SPEAKER_03:To Jesse's point is to just figure your own kid out. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Be good parents.
SPEAKER_03:Try and figure out their mindset online, you know. It's it's tough, though.
SPEAKER_02:You know, it's so, it's so hard. It's so hard. Being a parent is that's hard. It's insanely hard because you you feel like you can never teach them everything that they need to know. And then sometimes when I look at my kids and or you know, especially my adult kids, and they have learned something that I didn't teach them, I'm like, oh my god, thank God. Thank God I forgot to teach them that. We're finding their way. But thank God that they knew that they know that they have learned this, right?
SPEAKER_01:Always do the best you can, hope for the best, and uh maintain that path. If you're gonna walk that path, don't accept that responsibility, whether it's kids or animals, you do the best you can. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Don't even equate our parentship as well. No, you guys are in life.
SPEAKER_02:You guys are great for baby parents.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, I mean, honestly, it all really does boil down to being the people that you need to be for teaching whatever you're trying to raise, raise it in the right way. You know, walk that path in the right way. Don't let them go any other way. And if they if they do it in the long run, they can do that as as grown adults, but you're giving them the best you can and hoping for the best.
SPEAKER_02:And we and it saddens me in the year of 2025 that we still have so many people falling under the radar. Um this is horrific. What happened to this little girl?
SPEAKER_01:Really fell shame.
SPEAKER_02:And it's brutal. And like you said, it only like we talked, Aaron and I talked off mic a little bit. I mean, it only happened, like traction only happened on this case because there was another missing child involved. And the father of that child shared this leaked memo.
SPEAKER_03:It's so sick. It is that people just some people want to do this crap, you know, to to any person.
SPEAKER_02:Right. And that's where everybody needs to understand that you do not know who is watching or waiting around the corner. You just don't know. Be on high alert constantly, share things like this constantly for more awareness that this stuff does happen all the time.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, predators hide in the bushes and they know how to pounce. That's what they're prepared for.
SPEAKER_02:And I mean, and it it it literally made everything in my body from head to toe chilled when Sarah Turney in her podcast said that predators know where these facilities are and they are waiting for a runaway to happen.
SPEAKER_01:This is just one of thousands, everyone. I really want y'all to understand that this is a big thing that is just eating up the the Native American culture, the the indigenous women. It's just, it's it's horrific. And Lindsay, you have really, I think you've really puddled all three of us over here. I know.
SPEAKER_02:I have my tissues ready and I made it without crying because I did cry throughout this whole week, and I even told Jesse because we weren't sure if um this was the week that we were gonna talk about this case, and I'm like, look, it's done. And I have cried about it, and we're gonna talk about it no matter what. So here we are. And I apologize to my Bessie and her wife for this not being a more light-hearted subject.
SPEAKER_03:A light-hearted true crime show. Well, I know, right?
SPEAKER_02:You can't get really that much light-hearted, like period. Yes.
SPEAKER_01:So you had you had your guest, and now I was wanting to put on a guest too.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:And uh, I'm hoping to have this amazing guest on, Al Santos.
SPEAKER_02:Al is so cool.
SPEAKER_01:Alexander is a Grammy Award winner, and I want to talk to him about that. I want to plug this in here. Ladies and gentlemen, I have a very special guest for you, Mr. Al Santos. Say hey, Al. Hey, what's going on? How you been, man?
SPEAKER_00:Man, I've been great, man. Uh, extremely blessed just uh traveling, as you probably already know. I've been uh I think we're going on the week 32 consecutive. But it's like this every year, you know. Uh it's well, I couldn't say that. It's it's always been busy, but now it's been a lot more so because, of course, the projects that I've done and the Marvel Disney Echo TV series plus the uh Apple films uh movie Fancy Dance, you know. And uh pretty soon, hopefully, fingers crossed, we were asked to be in uh season four of Tulsa King with Sylvester Sloan. Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I've been watching that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there's a lot, a lot going on, you know. So uh now we're full-fledged members of the Screen Actors Guild. And of course, you know, we put out our 11th album. We I still call them album, but recording. So just just extremely busy. Of course, my wrestling projects. Uh I got inducted into three pro wrestling hall of fames. Uh, I just did a show with the legendary hacksaw Jim Duggan, Jerry the King, Lawler. Yeah, dude, a lot, a lot of good stuff, man.
SPEAKER_01:Awesome. Yeah, I met uh I met you years ago. Um, I want to go back real quick because we we talk about the powwow bug, you know, like how you you really get you fall completely in love with just being around Native American uh indigenous people in ceremonies and and and public public gatherings and just all that stuff. I kind of wanted to to go over that with you and uh and see if you can remember. I know it's been so many things. I know uh you've had you've had me come and sing with you a few times. Yeah, and that's that's always amazing. Just the the sheer talent that you have around you, it just it's it's it's amazing just to set at that drum and sing those songs, you know, just so much power and energy. And uh I want I wanted to say thank you for having me with all that.
SPEAKER_00:Oh well, thank you for helping us because you know we're we're very blessed to know a lot of singers nationwide and even in Canada, you know. So I've never ever had a lack of singers. You know, when you treat your singers right, you know, and and uh, you know, some of my singers, I'll give away drums, you know, uh uh feathers, whatever they need. That's what it's all about. And that's why everywhere we go, the proof is in the fact that everywhere we go, we never have a lack of singers, ever.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's when you know you're doing it right, you know?
SPEAKER_00:That's when you know you're doing it right. You know, there of course, you know, in the beginning, I didn't always have the answers. In the beginning, it was kind of, you know, well, I started years ago, but I figured it out pretty quickly, you know. And if you treat it like a business, that's the thing. A lot of these drunk groups fail because they they oh well, you know, we just do this for fun. Well, that that's good too. But you have you have to have some semblance of business savvy to to be able to be successful because if you don't pay your taxes and you get audited, that's why a lot of people wind up in in financial trouble. So I've always had a good balance between having fun, but also not you know doing it the right way so that I don't get audited, because you make a lot of money when you're on the road, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Yeah, I bet. I I did it for some years around the southeast, but uh nowhere near as professional. Yeah. So I remember as a as a kid, you know, we we'd go to like North Carolina and stuff like that, and we'd go to um some of the old the old places like Ghost Town in the Sky, and we'd watch, you know, Rick Bird and all those guys over there. Oh, yeah. And um, that's where I kind of fell in love with it. Growing up, you know, my family wasn't really deep into it. And um a friend of mine, his babysitter was uh Muscogee Creek, and she took me to a powwow and set me down at a drum. She's she grabbed me by the arm and set me down at a powwow drum. And really, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, so she set me down at that drum, and just because I'm talking to you and I've got you here, you know, with an earshot. But the reality is some people are just born with that innate ability to you know to catch on to these sort of things. And then and then and then it's something that some people have it or you don't. And uh that's why you see singers or even drum groups that you know they always sing the wrong way, and you know what exactly what I mean by that. And then and then there's singers that sing the right way. And I don't care if they're native, white, black, you know, there's just people that have that innate ability to to pick things up, and you're one of those people, you know. I was I remember uh when we first met, you you would come to powwows with us in Florida or wherever, and and I was like, wow, that's pretty, you know, because the first thing as native people we do is hey, that guy seems pretty good for a white guy or for a black guy or for an Asian, you know what I mean? But some people, some people just you know, they have that ability, and and that's and you have it, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I I just always enjoyed being able to do it the best way I can, you know, the way that I've been taught, you know. And being around a couple of cool, cool old uh the old heads, you know, some some of our elders and stuff. They they taught me pretty good. So so that was kind of the bug, you know. I just I couldn't you were you were at like Dothan some years ago, and then uh I got the courage to come up there and ask, and I was like, you know, hey, can I sit with you? Yeah, you were there, yeah, yeah. Some years back. I'll be darn. Yeah. So it was it was it was really cool. And then from then on, we kind of hooked up and didn't did some stuff. It was fun. Wow. Small world, man.
SPEAKER_00:I didn't even remember that. That's crazy. You brought it up, and I mean I remember going to Dauphin, it was kind of like a coliseum, like a smaller coliseum. I remember that, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it was just it was really cool hanging, you know, and doing whatever. So hopefully I'll get back to all that, you know.
SPEAKER_00:I I hope so because uh truthfully, you know, financially it's just not feasible. And I'm not gonna ask these small committees for what other because we go to Powhouse now in Canada or California, we get 12,000, 14,000. We're at that level, but a lot of these ones in Florida and a lot of the East Coast just couldn't do it because by the time I flew myself and my wife out there, I we weren't making any money. So I had to I had to give it to the local guys. Plus, we had a good run. We were going to those Fija ones for how long, you know? Yeah, so the only one I I've kept is Mount Dora, which by the way, we'll be going there to Mount Dora the last weekend in February, first weekend in March. So hopefully, fingers crossed, I get to see you there.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah. And all the listeners, y'all come on out to Mount Dora and check us out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's just north, that's just just just north, about 35 minutes, 40 minutes north of uh Orlando.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, that's gonna be a good time. Yeah. So yeah, as far as what we talked about earlier, what my wife was saying, um, in the in the indigenous cultures and you know, the missing and and the native women that are going through so many struggles throughout, you know, North America as being an epidemic, you know. I I wanted to share some of that, especially, you know, you've been on the road and you've been doing so many things. What what are your personal takes on that as far as it your experiences and and uh the people that you've been around?
SPEAKER_00:Uh the validity of those claims as far as you know us having uh because it it really is uh astronomically high, the number of women that come up missing or murdered. But uh what I tell these people is you have to understand that you have to it goes by the number of people, you know. Uh I mean I mean, as far as a race of people, you know, we don't number very high in the thousands, you know what I mean, or even in the millions. So the reason why uh it's such uh such an issue is because uh Native Americans as a race of people were what the three percent of the population, American population? So it's kind of high for how many people we have, how many actual physical tribal people we have. Of course, there are more white ones, there are more black ones, more Hispanic, but I mean an Indian country, not only in the United States, but in Canada. A lot of people don't know this, but I'm gonna share with you and the listeners something that not a lot of people know. And the reason why it's such a personal thing for me is because my own sister in 1987 was murdered. My only sister, I only had I only had one. I'm an only child because of it. She was, you know, murdered and uh in a very, very brutal way. I mean, I'm talking sexually assaulted and then shot six times. Wow. Well, she was shot six times first and then sexually assaulted. I mean, this guy was an animal, you know. Wow. And then and then uh uh she tried to escape him. They were at a bar together and she tried to escape him and she ran. This was like two or three in the morning, and we lived out in the country. So they saw her running down the street with half, you know, half naked. I mean, scantily clad, her clothes were ripped from her, and she was trying to escape. So she had two ways to get to safety either up this road, four houses up this road, it would have been she would have got to my house, or one house down this other road, the four the road fork. So she opted to go one house down this road to uh an abandoned house where she knew that my uncle, my father's full-blooded brother, and his son, they were both homeless, were were sleeping at. They were staying there for days. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so she got there remembering that he was there. Not only did this guy shoot and kill her, but when my uncle came out to see what was going on, he shot and killed my uncle, my brother's, my uh, my father's brother. So two of them perished. My nep my my cousin, Eddie's, Eddie's my uncle. Eddie's son Raul, he was the one that was able to identify the killer, and the next day the dude was arrested. But to make a long story short, you know, uh when when the MMIW movement became a thing, and and they asked me if I wanted to compose a national MMIW song to use in the movie Fancy Dance, and would I also participate in the movie? Of course, I said yes. Right. Absolutely, I said yes, you know, and so I started sharing that story recently. And the reason why, and it's public knowledge, I mean it it made the news, you know. But I just for some reason I didn't want to, you know, the whole woe was me thing. I didn't want people to feel sorry for me. So believe it, believe it or not, I never shared that story except with the producers of the movie. And then now that I'm telling a few podcasters, because it's really every time I talk about it, I I I honestly cry. So I try not to really talk about it too much. But yeah, I I you know experienced it firsthand.
SPEAKER_01:Wow, Al. She, my wife, she tells all these stories, and and it's it's it's really heartbreaking how much true crime goes on everywhere, and it for it to be that personal to you. Wow, thank you for sharing that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Well, I you know, don't mention it. I I uh and that's why again, and that's why I'm I'm I I used that's another reason why I took a lot of these powwows in Florida, even though they would they didn't pay very much, because as you know, my mother lives in Orlando, she still does, and so that was my mother's only daughter, so I'm her only child now, you know. So I I I try to spend as much time with her, and of course, she's still very, very, you know, fiercely independent. That's why she hasn't moved to Oklahoma with me. She's almost 80 years old, she still lives by herself. So, but I try to go see her as much as possible. So that was kind of my excuse to keep going there for the for the little amount of money I did, because I got to go see my mom. But now we're in the process of getting her moved here, so that's not uh, you know, I don't have to worry about that anymore. But yeah, that was when they asked me to be a part of that, I was like, wow, and then of course, you know, it it featured Lily Gladstone, and she was in that Killers of the Flower Moon movie with with Robert De Niro. So that was a hell of an experience. Man, we had we really had fun, but it was it was dude, you as you can imagine, it was very emotional for me, man, doing that movie.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and um, I watched a little bit of that, and I watched some of the echo stuff too, and it just it's amazing how much talent that they can gather up and put into these, and they do it in a good way. And uh it's it's it's worth the story, it's it's worth putting it out globally, you know, this information and and and check out all the movies and everything, you know, that you can follow everybody that's listening, and really focus on spreading the news of you know, indigenous people that have been taken and and and just the crime that's that's getting overlooked, because as we talked about with Emily Pike, that wouldn't have been discovered if it wasn't for another missing person, too. So there's a lot of stuff that kind of gets hidden under the rug, you know.
SPEAKER_00:That's crazy. You know, now I I don't we're I don't even though I do more podcasts covering uh Marvel Disney's Echo because it's part of the Marvel Disney franchise or the Marvel franchise, and it's kind of a big deal. I do more podcasts on that, but I don't really talk too much about that one because I'll admit, folks, if you're gonna watch it, it's a little on the hokey side. But yeah, the Emily Pike thing, I like I was telling you, it's uh yeah, that was crazy that one of my singers was actually uh is actually Lee Pike from Apache. So as I was saying, that's why that I was familiar with that case. Right.
SPEAKER_01:And that's that's just wild to be around, you know, so many things, and it's everywhere, you know, it's all across North America, Canada. And even a guy that I work with in Wyoming said that that he he even knows that there was like a ring full of uh sex traffickers and things up near the border and everything up that way. So you know, I I really feel like that they're kind of targeting certain places and things, like uh like my wife was saying earlier in the story. But um, you know, all this really just it's a good way for us to put out true crime uh uh across the world and globally. And I really do appreciate having you on and telling your story. And thank you so much. And as far as you know, your career and everything is going, do you got a Grammy? How is that?
SPEAKER_00:Well, before I I get into that, I also want to point out that it's it's easier for these sex traffickers to commit these types of crimes on Indian land because uh a lot of the government agencies don't have jurisdiction on it, so it's easy to get away with a crime on on the reservation. I hate to say it, but you know, yeah, but as far as the Grammys, yeah. Uh so it so what happened was years ago, uh original members of Ulali, that the that uh female trio, Native American trio, yeah, she called me and she said, Hey, what are you doing right now? This is like this was like one o'clock in the morning. I had just gone to bed and I said, I'm not doing anything, what's going on? Well, I'm sending a limo to pick you up. I said, What? I'm sending a limo to pick you up. We need you to come in and do some guttural uh chants, like kind of Native American guttural chance for a project we're working on. So I thought, you know, I thought she was pulling my leg. So sure enough, about 45 minutes later, a limo pulled up, and I was already dressed. My little brother Chico, Stephen Perez, wanted to go with me, so he went with me. And we got in this limo. My of course, my then wife stayed home with the kids, and this limo takes us to New York City. I was living in in Staten Island, New York. It takes us to actual Manhattan, right in front of this huge tall building. We get out, they open the door, we go in there, go up to the whatever floor it was. I walk in there, and there's this guy who introduces himself and says, I'm such and such. Uh, you know, I'm the president of Noise Productions too. I they uh shuffle me into this studio, put the headset on me, and say, Can you mimic the sound of kind of like Arabic Native American chanting? And I give me a few clips, snippets, you know, sound sound clips. So I of course went, oh no, no, and I can I did I did different ones, you know, and they selected one. I was in there no more than six, seven minutes. The guy says, Awesome, he shook my hand, made me sign a contract as a pseudo musician so that I wouldn't I wouldn't be entitled to royalties, and says, I heard you were a cigar smoker. Sonny Moreno told him I was a cigar smoker. Sure enough, he gave me a box of Cuban cigars. I think they gave me like two or three thousand dollars. I don't remember what the what the money was, but I remember the next day uh Sonny calling me saying, Hey, I got another check for you. It was for like$1,500. But the funny part about it is as I was walking out, I looked I out of the studio the night before, I looked into this room and I saw who I got looked like uh Tom Cruise. Oh wow, the movie star. And sure enough, come to find out, I had just done a little guttural part for the uh uh motion picture soundtrack. You know, barely hear it. In Mission Impossible, wow. Yeah, that was so so I got bitten by the bug, and of course I joined the American Indian Dance Theater, went all over the world. I've been I've been all over the world.
SPEAKER_01:What an amazing journey. I mean, that is just amazing.
SPEAKER_00:Especially here in Oklahoma. I I thought they were gonna be like, oh, well, he's just a Hispanic or whatever, but you know, come to find out that Comanches, Hopi, Shoshones, Utes, they're all Aztec speakers. They're related to the Aztec people, you know. And I and I came to find out, find that out later on. So I have gotten adopted by so many tribal folks here to the point where I've made over I've made over a hundred songs, but over at least 30 of them belong to families and organizations just right here in Oklahoma. So that's a big accomplishment for somebody who's not from here to have us do it composed, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we we went to the Moa Choctaw powwow together and we we sang them a song and you created a song for them there. It was really cool. I remember I remember doing that, and I was like, ow, just rats all these cool, amazing songs for these areas and all these people. It's just so much talent, and I'm glad you get to share all that everywhere.
SPEAKER_00:Man, I appreciate that. And and actually that one there, if you remember, it was my son Junior who actually composed the song. I just kind of helped him. But the Moa Choctaw, what man, you got a memory. That's that's uh yeah, I remember that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's good times up on the hill.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, um, so yeah, just it's amazing, you know, being able to speak with you and and uh you know, just you know, thinking back about us, you know, doing powwows together and you know, a good drum session and a cigar that evening at the hotel, you know, and oh yeah, all the amazing conversations, and you know, it it's always been you know a pleasure hanging out with you and just you know being around all that talent. It's so amazing.
SPEAKER_00:I often wondered if there was something that I and and and I'm sorry I'm using this platform to bring it up, but I often wondered if there was something I said or did wrong because uh I never saw much of you after that.
SPEAKER_01:No, just being busy, you know, and I had my rock band and all going. I was we're still going, yeah. Yeah, we uh we played a show just uh just last weekend. We played with uh Galactic Empire, they do all the Star Wars metal music on. Yeah, yeah. And um, so being able to do that, that's kind of my I still get to brush around some amazing talent and some some fame. And you know, uh, we played at Rockville at the Daytona Speedway. Um, you know, we won some competitions and stuff doing the band stuff, so I've just been leaning on that and you know, raising the family and doing you know hubby stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, that's good, nothing wrong with that. I don't know if I ever told you this, but you know, years ago I was the lead singer for a heavy metal band. I was really big into into rock and stuff, and and we had a little band, not the origin, not the prodigy that made it to fame, but that we were called prodigy before that prodigy. Oh wow. We had we had a band called Prodigy, and I was the lead singer for it. We had original compositions, and we entered a battle of the bands. Oh my god, where was it? Saras. It was in Florida somewhere. I can't think of where it was. Sarasota or something like that. And we won. There was there was like yeah, there were like 15 bands there, and we won, and we won a studio, a free studio recording. But after we won, the the promoter of the of the actual event uh took off with the money. We never saw him again, so we never got our studio recording. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty pretty lame. But yeah, yeah, I was kind I was a the lead singer of a of an actual rock band. Isn't that crazy?
SPEAKER_01:An original prodigy. The original prodigy. The OG.
SPEAKER_00:And then after we after we broke up, of course, years later, another band started and they they called themselves Prodigy. That is awesome.
SPEAKER_01:So awesome. Yeah, I've done so many competitions and things. I mean, we came in third in the nation. That's how we got to play at Rockville. So we we did pretty good, yeah. And they uh they had like a whole Twitch thing going on with uh some of the guys and then the producers and even uh DWP, they all came in, all the guys that came in there and was judging us, and then they had all the folks that were coming across. There was like 150,000 people watching us on online and they voted for us. It was really cool. I love doing that, but I do miss you though. I'm gonna have to come and hang, you know, one of these days.
SPEAKER_00:Oh man, that would be freaking awesome. You know, and and again, uh it's just sometimes there's just missed opportunities, you know. I really wish I could convey to you. So, what better way than than through again through this format? But yeah, I really thought I I really thought the world of you, and I still do. So I missed you too, and I really hope we get to sing together again. And man, we had fun.
SPEAKER_01:No, I'm definitely gonna come back. We're gonna hang for sure. I mean, that last time we hung out, it was just it was like it was gravity, man. It was just like we we gotta hang, you know. So it was just it was an awesome time for sure. And every time I show up, you're like, so you're sitting next to me. I'm like, yeah, for sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_00:Well, you know, we we have a lot of our stuff, and I'm sure I don't have to tell you this, but for the listening audience, there's a lot of our stuff on different platforms, uh, Spotify. You can just look up Auditro Singers. We're there's tons of videos on us uh on YouTube. We have a YouTube channel, we have uh, of course, a uh a Facebook channel. So for all the people that are interested, you know, uh you can buy our music online on 22 different platforms. But for you particularly, there's a lot of our stuff that that we put out there, you know, just so you can familiarize yourself with the new, the new, the new, the newer songs. But yeah, that's gonna be really, really awesome to uh hopefully see you in March.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, yeah, for sure. And I remember when you were getting ready, you were going to go host at Gathering of Nations, and you sent me like it was like 30 songs. You're like, hey, I want to come up. Yeah, you're like, hey, I want you to come to Oklahoma and record this album with me. And I was like, dude, I'm gonna get to Oklahoma. I'm busy. But yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I listened to all of them, I learned them all, and it and I was like, dude, I I want to go do this. It would be a dream of mine to be able to do it, but you know, unfortunately, I wasn't able to.
SPEAKER_00:So well, you know, do sometimes uh duty calls, you know, whether it's the military or family life, I know how it is, or a regular what what we call a shoot job, you know. Yeah, but um, but you know, uh it's never too late.
SPEAKER_01:We still we still got it in us, so yeah, gotta get it out, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yes, sir. Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_01:Well, thank you so much for sharing with us. Is um I wanted to play an Otter Trail song. So you're the lead singer of this amazing Southern Pow Wow group, and I want to share it to the world. Um, you know, back in the day, um, and uh there was a Cherokee powwow in uh Fourth of July powers and you were singing this double lead song. And uh you told me it was uh like a Delaware Nanaco song. Is that right?
SPEAKER_00:It was uh Nanakote uh Lenai Lenape, which they're the Delaware people, they're the original Delaware tribe because the Delaware people came from that area, Delaware, South Jersey, that area. But yeah, I remember the song vividly, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I came up and I was like, Hey Al, can you tell me about this song? And you were like, It's T-A-H Ta Hot Sky Week Tame. And you told me that, and and I've been hanging on to that, and I I sing it, you know, because I had my own powwow group and everything, you know, and I was a lead singer and all. And we would sing this song, and I'd be like, Al Santos said I could sing this song. Yeah, I used to love jamming it, you know. That's an amazing song.
SPEAKER_00:But you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you a funny story about that song, real quick. Uh, if you don't mind, I want to interject. Um, so that song given to me by members of the Lin, the Lin uh the Nanakote Lin Alanapi, Delaware people, Yuri Ridgway, Will Mosley, which by the way, they're also the originators, the the founding members of Autotrail when we first started. They people don't know that it was it was started in the New Jersey, New York area. So they taught they taught me that word. It was another guy named Matt Harmon. It was several of them, Harry J. Gould. So they taught me those words, and of course, I'm I'm pretty sure we're close in the pronunciation of it, like you just said it. But um, but yeah, that song became very, very popular to the point where it made me sick of hearing that song and having people requesting it. So we didn't sing that song. Listen to this. We we didn't sing that song or haven't sung that song. We were at Mohegan Powell on Connecticut, and the and the people were coming over there. There was other drum groups there, and we heard a drum group sing it. Oh, and people were like, Yeah, and then this guy from Oklahoma, straight dancer, Osage, said, You know, that's one of my favorite songs, and I know you made it, didn't you? I said, Holy smokes! Long so so now, recently, like in the past few months, people have been asking for that song, and we kind of brought it back. Funny you should mention that song.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it hit it hard in the southeast because I was singing it, bro. I was singing it so much, you know. I was just like, that's our jam, you know. I just I love that you composed such an amazing song. Now, that doesn't have to be like the the featured song for this podcast, but I just wanted to bring up uh just a song that you and I had shared, you know, in conversation.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, I don't mind it being the featured song because you know we all have to realize our humble beginnings. Every time I heard that song somewhere in the United States, specifically the East Coast, as a matter of fact, Wilson Roberts, who took me for a son, he's an old Choctaw elder. He uh he told me uh one time, and matter of fact, in Florida, we were in Seminole, Florida when they used to have it at the rodeo arena. He said, he said to me, Hey, me and your mom Sharon were were in Germany, because I guess they have powwows in Germany. There's hobbyists out there that have powwows in Germany.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, I've heard about them, yes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, he said he was over there, and him and his wife and his kids, who call me brother, they heard this drum group singing that song. So they went over there and told them, Hey, you know, that's my son. My son composed that song. And boy, they thought he you would have thought they they seen Jesus, because they were like, Wow, tell them we really love that song. And long story short, I went there a few years later. When I say a few years, I'm talking eight, nine, ten years later. Not only did I hear that song, several drum groups, you know, were singing otter trail songs. And when the MC found out who I was and introduced me, I guess in German, you would have thought Elvis walked into the building. Those people were all over me. I was I was like really shocked. But yeah, that's one of those songs that everybody just made it everywhere, you know.
SPEAKER_01:I knew it was gonna be a hit, you know. Down here in the south, I've I've always sang it. And thank you, thank you for just having that conversation with me. That was probably oh, that was probably 20 years ago back then. So back in the day.
SPEAKER_04:Back in the day.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, um we're gonna just uh ease it on, man. I'm gonna I'm gonna play your song and uh share all this information globally. And I just thank you for so much for your story. Thank you for being here. Yeah, it's just uh it's a good way for us to have a great conversation and you know it's gonna get me back to Pow Wow again, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Well, hopefully, I I was just about to say that hopefully it it it causes you to segue back into my life because really, really, uh, you know, I really enjoy having you as one of my dearest friends, and you know, and also uh for the listening audience, I'm also for those who don't know, I I'm a uh 37-year professional wrestler, semi-retired, but I've wrestled everybody, you know, from the Hulk Hogan's to the Ric Flairs of the world. So if you guys get a chance, of course, you know, wrestling is just a show, it's fake, you know. We're we're characters, but I play an Arab character. So if you guys get a chance, check out Al Farrat also uh on uh social media. But more than that, I really appreciate you giving me this opportunity for us to not only catch up, but to be able to, you know, share my story with the people.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, and definitely check out all the things that Al has going on. It's just it you're just a global entertainer, you know, movie star, Grammy Award winner, just everything. I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_00:Uh I don't consider myself that big a deal because I've always you know been taught that you know just be humble about your about the things that you do, you know, be be appreciative, give back, you know, and and God will always bless you. And I feel I feel like he's blessed me tenfold, you know. So thank you for those words, though.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, thank you so much. Thank you for all the uh just Native American, you know, you're you're like a living legend historian to me. So thank you, man. You know, I know how much you put into all that and just learning different cultures and and around the nation too. You know, you put a lot of research into everything and being able to share that in the in a good way, you know, it's just uh it's amazing. So uh yeah, all the listeners, you can check out Al Santos, check out Otter Trail, his his professional wrestling stuff, check check everything out and support. That's what we're here to do. And Al has some amazing music, and I want to plug his music in here.
SPEAKER_00:Well, thank you very much, and to all the listeners, you know, God bless each and every single one of you. And if it wasn't for you guys supporting us artists, we would be no one. You know, we would we we wouldn't be where we're at. So thank you for all the amazing support. I really appreciate it. And and I hope you are uh you know unsurmountably blessed in your life, Jesse. Thank you for your friendship.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, thank you so much, Al.
SPEAKER_00:Alright, thank you. Later.
SPEAKER_01:So without further ado, this is Otter Trail with their uh theme song, and it's amazing. You guys are gonna love it. Check all the stuff out and share it, and that's what we're here to do. So many crazy stories, so much historic Native American, uh, historic things that, you know, Grammy Award winning, just amazing human, amazing. I can't believe we had him on, you know.
SPEAKER_02:It was just around Al three times. So two, the Moa Choctaw Powell, and then one the Orlando one. So it was November in Orlando, and it was 92 degrees. I just want to put that out there. One day, and then one day it was raining, and we were like in the world. And we were we were walking around, so it was at the fairgrounds, so there's a flea market, and we were walking around, and I had packed for cooler weather because for some reason I did I decided not to look at good. Yes. Okay, okay, and I had on a flannel and jeans and some boots, and I was sweating my ass off, and but Al and Monsignor were walking around with us. He was he's another Native American singer, and he's from what tribe is he? The what did you call him?
SPEAKER_01:I think he's uh so Monsignor is Kiowa. Okay, just another renowned singer, just amazing dude. And you know, they they brought us, we we played uh under the little shelter that we had here, and I love that because it sounds way better, you know. It's like we were outside in the field doing our thing with all the tents and all the stuff, and then we went out of there and we recorded some stuff, so you can actually check that out. I was on that.
SPEAKER_02:I was gonna say, and me and my kids, we spent the majority of our time in the vehicle with the air AC on full blast. Yeah, but we did walk around. We did it was so hot, and we were not prepared for this heat. Oh, and we walked around the flea market with them. Yeah, I was gonna say we walked around the flea market with them, and we so we were sweaty from that, and then he went to go drum.
SPEAKER_01:It was like rain or something, too, though, that must that pushed us away from the regular powwow area under the shelf.
SPEAKER_02:It finally rained in the evening, blooded it out, and we moved into the water. And so we had to go into yeah, it was just hot, it was a hot November. I don't like hot Novembers, it's unnatural. Yeah, like what the fuck? Yes, even though we're in Florida and we understand that it happens sometimes, it's still unnatural. It was really cool because in the 90s for November is not normal.
SPEAKER_01:I think the year before that I was lead singer for the host drum on that one. Well, Silas was still Otter Trail moved in and started doing their thing.
SPEAKER_02:So Autter Trail is Al's drum group. And that's who Jesse was guest playing with for the Moa Choctaw pows and this Orlando. Just called me up and be like, hey bro, can we? What what what powwow was that? What was it called?
SPEAKER_01:The one in Orlando uh AI, American Indian Association.
SPEAKER_02:That's what I was getting to.
SPEAKER_01:Really cool stuff. I don't know if they're still having that. I don't know. I don't remember. I've I've kind of stepped away, Lindsay. I've stepped away.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, he stepped away, but that's okay because and it's and it's not anything against Native American culture, anything whatsoever whatsoever.
SPEAKER_01:I miss the red road so much.
SPEAKER_02:It's just, you know, it's a life. Life happens sometimes. And uh, but we'll be back.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, raising kids and doing things and raising kids, doing life, our things, you know. We're doing our things, and I like to rock out too. So that that kind of came into play a lot. Um, my band's doing really well, so we're we're we're doing the things, it's a hobby, but at the same time, we're having fun.
SPEAKER_02:And there's only so many hours in the week of days and hours, yes.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we're gonna restructure eventually and we're gonna come back out. So come and hang, do some maybe do some dancing, some singing for sure, and uh, it's just fun stuff. Yeah. So thank you everyone for being on this podcast. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_02:Thanks for having us so much. Yes, listen, I I just want to say one more time that I am completely shocked that y'all are still sitting here looking at me right now. This is a very good surprise. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Aaron's your bestie. Yeah, but these are my besties too. Yes, mine too.
SPEAKER_02:Jesse has inherited besties through me.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. We put ourselves around so many different people, and I love them all. I love them all. So many different people. I love it, and that's what you gotta do. You gotta be diverse, you gotta be accepted, you gotta just accept everybody around you, no matter who they are, and all them. And I love the diversity and everyone that you have around in your life, Lindsay, and I love it, and I love all them. Love all y'all, love it.
SPEAKER_02:Aaron and I bonded years ago over our love of System of a Down, and it just blossomed into this wonderful many, many, many year now friendship.
unknown:Almost two decades.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, literally, it don't even make any sense. Did that make you feel a whole thing? That didn't feel like that. Well, and also, I mean, and I mean, it just it doesn't stop at uh System of a Down. Like, so when Aaron, you were 19 and I was 26, and I was going to Gainesville for the day, and you were going to meet Maynard at uh oh it was a it was a liquor store in Jacksonville.
SPEAKER_03:It was a total wine.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it was when he was launching his wine brands. Oh and Aaron was like, Hey, are you coming this way because I can't get in because I'm only 19. And I was like, oh my god. Because I was hanging out with Gony that day and we were going to Gainesville to another one of our friends' uh recording sessions.
SPEAKER_01:This is the pre-Gen Z story.
SPEAKER_02:Way pre-Gen Z. Yeah, this was like four years, four or five years before I met you.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't realize I had to buy a bottle of wine in order for him to like uh sign it or whatever.
SPEAKER_02:So she was gonna meet Maynard James Keaton or something, but uh I didn't realize we had to buy a bottle of wine.
SPEAKER_03:And so I was sitting outside after being told I can't go in and do stuff after you know driving all the way out there. It's like fuck, who do I know that's over 21?
SPEAKER_02:And she messaged me when I was literally almost in Gainesville going to another friend of our. I was with my guy best friend, uh Josh Marangoni, who we call Goney. I was going to another friend of ours recording session. He's uh he was a rapper, and I was on the way to his recording session, and I was like, I was I was passenger princess that day, so I couldn't turn around and drive to Jacksonville to go hang out with Aaron and meet Maynard James Keenan.
SPEAKER_03:And the timing wouldn't have made sense anyway. No, it was only there for like a couple of hours. A couple of hours never made anything out. Oh man, I was so bummed. I was like, stupid age.
SPEAKER_01:Lindsay, I didn't give you this, and I wanted to do that after that story. Wow, wow. I just I just I'm sorry. But you did a great job, Lindsay. And you didn't show up for your bestie.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I didn't. I tried, listen, if I had been the driver, yeah. If I had been the driver that day, I would have turned around right there on 75. Don't you love how long? And going to Aaron, but I wasn't the driver that day. But God, okay, so she how old are you now? But were you the passenger? You're your almost 37. Okay, she's almost 37. This was when she was 19. Linda's over there, Linda's over there saying, I'm your passenger. So I have known Aaron since she was 19 years old, and she is now 37, and I am 43. So we have known each other a very long time. Um Florence and the machine came into the restaurant that I still work at, that Aaron worked at with me. And uh, well, it was the machine minus Florence.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Florence wasn't in. Uh it was it was like the end of the night we saw a lot, and we're like, because you know, as a server, it's like you're close to closing, and you know, everyone's just wanted to get home and everything like that. And then, you know, uh, this group walks in off the bus. I'm like, well, that's all a tour group or like a tourist group, or you know, someone just passing through, you know, to Orlando or some crazy stuff. And um I was out sweeping the floors, and I was like, those are British people, you know, just like and I was huge into Florence of the Machine.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you got me into them.
SPEAKER_03:A few months prior, I tried to buy tickets to their Orlando show at the Hard Rock, but it was sold out, and so I was super bummed about that. I knew the they were playing like two nights later or the next night or whatever, and so I was like, hmm, I wonder. And uh one of the guys was wearing a Florence of the Machine hoodie, and I was like, She came running to me, she was like, Lindsay, I think the machine is here, and I was like, What?
SPEAKER_02:Go talk to I was shift leading that night and you were a closing server, and tell the rest because it was so cool.
SPEAKER_03:And so she went out there, she she was like, Hey, I have a friend back here, she's freaking out because she thinks you're Florence and the machine. And they're like, Oh yeah, we are, and so I was like, let's go. So I go out and I I just you know express to them like you know, just like I love your music, you know. I was I tried to get tickets for your show tomorrow in Orlando, but couldn't, you know, whatever. And um, I'm not sure who the woman was, but she was like, Oh, we can get you on the guest list, and I was like, That was such a magical night for you.
SPEAKER_01:Oh so you were sick the next day you didn't come to work.
SPEAKER_03:I told them that I would quit my other job because I had to shift out. She had two jobs at that time. Yeah, two jobs I had to shift at Lowe's, and I was like, Well, I can just quit my other job, and they're like, No, don't do that. I'm like, I will.
SPEAKER_02:She did not give a fuck.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, they they um they signed a menu for me, which I still have, and um, they put me on the guest list for their sold-out show in Orlando, and Ashley couldn't go, so my one of my besties, Eden, went with me. So the one who's now in Pittsburgh, yes, and so she and I went and saw Florence in the machine. Oh god, and Aaron came back.
SPEAKER_01:I was thinking she was gonna build it up and not go, but no, she went. Okay, went. So that was a that was a wont wall on Lindsay, but the machine brought you. I wasn't going.
SPEAKER_02:No, she came back afterwards and told me all about it. So I lived vicariously through Aaron for that show.
SPEAKER_03:It was truly magical. Like we were up front of the barricades. She is a voice. Oh my gosh. It's insane.
SPEAKER_01:We love Florence. Did you clap to the dog days?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:The dog days are gonna play this. Oh now we gotta play this.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, we're gonna jam out of the dog days. Yeah, we're about to go put on Florence and we shared all kinds of music, and this is our first time sharing Native American music. Big part of my history. I really do miss it, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_02:And we got and now we gotta take Aaron and Morgan to a Pow Wow. There, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Let's go, let's go. And I'm gonna put you in the circle because um, you know, Al is all about intertribal dancing.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know if you can, but hey, I'm I'm fucking here for it. Okay, let's do it.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it's just a little step, it's a little knee step.
SPEAKER_01:So they they they uh most of them do have uh you know, they have segments where they can let everybody in the circle and you can. Yeah, inter tribal, everybody's welcome. Yeah, no, pay attention to the MC, and Al Santos is one of the best.
SPEAKER_03:So is one of the best? I'll fucking.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, we may go to an Otter Trail show and not do some single. Oh, that would be so much fun because Al is top notch. I'm sure bro's gonna call me.
SPEAKER_02:He's gonna be like, I'm not a you know, a completely seasoned um powwow goer, but I have been to Gathering of Nations, I've been to powwows all over the southeast, and Al Santos is what was that like I took you to the biggest one. Well, as I was telling Aaron and Morgan earlier, so that venture, I was actually pregnant with our son and didn't know it, and I cried the entire weekend.
SPEAKER_01:It was very the the flight fear and all your stuff. You're relating a lot of that because you were you had all that going on and you didn't know about it. I didn't know until the week later to the smallest one the next weekend. That was really fun.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so we went to the Gathering of Nations, and that whole week I felt like I was pregnant. Um, I had recently changed birth control, so I didn't know what was going on in my body. And then we went to Panama City Beach, and um on the way to the powwow, I told Jesse, stop at that CVS right there. I'm buying a pregnancy test. I can't, I have to know. Yeah, yeah, and literally at the powwow in the in the bathroom of the powwow, I took that pregnancy test and it was positive. Silas, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We didn't, you know, I didn't I didn't find out. I did not find out if he was a male.
SPEAKER_02:No, he did not want to know. He is the only person that I have ever known my entire life that did not want to know the gender of our child, and that was okay. Yeah, yeah, but it was cool, it was a surprise, and I and I I knew they uh told me having three previously.
SPEAKER_01:Well, and they they told me, but they kind of showed it to her.
SPEAKER_02:Well, the okay, so when I went so I told my doctor, like my actual OBGYN, that I did not want to know the sex of the baby when he sent me to another department for an imaging sonogram to make sure our kid was completely healthy. They didn't know. And when they handed me the sonogram, it said mail on it. But guess who I did not tell? And I kept a secret from everybody and I put that sonogram away, put it out of my head because he wanted to be surprised, and I honored that for him.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_02:You're welcome.
SPEAKER_01:And that's the love that you portray upon your children once you once you embrace all of that glory of uh recreating something in life, you know, as humans. And you're like, I want to give them the best. And that's what a lot of this really all boils down to. Give everybody the best you can. And I really hate the fortune events. I really hate it. I really hate this that this story exists.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Um 10,000.
SPEAKER_02:And there's a there's a million more.
SPEAKER_01:A million.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So that's your whole thing. That's the whole thing. Uh we're gonna put it out there in the world, share it to everybody.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, you've got the numbers.
SPEAKER_01:Share Emily's case, share it as much as you can. Share this information to everyone, let it get global, and uh check out Al Santos and Auto Trail for Emily Pike. All the amazing things and entertainment, he uh the pro wrestling thing that he's doing. Uh you know, come on our socials, you'll get to see Morgan and Aaron over here. And uh, because we got pictures and we got so much stuff to share. We're gonna do so many things. Check out all the socials, right? Drinkaboutsomething.site on YouTube, on uh Lindsay's, she's got everything. We got it all.
SPEAKER_02:So Jesse Standbaugh, Lindsay Standbaugh, Drink About Something on Instagram, and then of course, like you said, drinkabout something.site, you can find our podcast socials on there. Yes. And links, we have merch too. We have merch on Spreadshirt, right?
SPEAKER_04:Yes, merch.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_02:And I just want to say really quick before we sign off that Erin is wearing a Last Podcast on the left t-shirt. And she is the one that turned me on to them, and I love them. We're big fans. We love you guys. We love Last Podcast on the left. We want you to listen to us and we want to meet you.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:If you haven't last podcast, send us. Send us to them.
SPEAKER_01:They're not they don't have time for that, Lindsay. They're too busy. Oh, whatever. They are cool frickin' dudes, okay. Yeah, thanks. Thanks to all the way down to Paul Harvey.
SPEAKER_02:And I just found out that there's a whole crime, a crime wave cruise through their side story that was live with Sinister. And I'm told Jesse yesterday, I'm like, oh, we want to go on that cruise.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I have a friend who I've bought a couple pieces of her art. Um, she's currently on that cruise. I think she lives up in Michigan.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my God. I want to go. Crimewave cruise. Aaron, you have the work to do for the future.
SPEAKER_01:Let's send the information. Manifestation.
SPEAKER_02:But let's help get justice for Emily Pike and all missing and murdered indigenous women and persons. But with that being said, we are going to go ahead and sign off for today.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Lindsay, it was really hard for me to be bubbly bubbly.
SPEAKER_02:It was well, I told you in advance. I did let you know in advance this was going to be a rough one because sometimes we want to make it lighthearted, but this one is serious, and we want to make sure that we get justice for this little baby girl.
SPEAKER_01:We want to share thank you guys so much for being part of this and share all of this to everyone. Let's make this be a huge fire across the whole globe. Absolutely. No matter where you're at, share this information. We're here. And if you need anything, we're here for you as well. In any situation, when it comes to true crime or anything, we're going to help you the best we can too. So hit us up, right? We'll share your story. Everyone, an earshot. We're here. Everyone needs to be here. And I haven't heard that on any podcast yet. We're here for you too. Hit us up and we'll help you out too. So thank you guys so much. Thanks to all the guests. Thanks to Lindsay. Thank you so much. We'll see you guys next week. And we got a recap too. So we're gonna see you guys twice a week.
SPEAKER_02:We love you so much. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. See you next week. One, two, three.
SPEAKER_04:Bye.
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