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EPISODE 58: Natalie Wood
A holiday toast turns into a hard look at a Hollywood legend whose final night still churns like rough water. We start with Black Friday energy and fresh mojitos, then trace Natalie Wood’s path from Miracle on 34th Street to West Side Story, a childhood built by a mother’s ambition, and an industry that too often rewarded silence. The bright arc of her career meets the shadows of Old Hollywood—alleged predation, whispered cover-ups, and the way power can bend the truth until it breaks.
We walk step by step through Thanksgiving weekend, 1981: a yacht named Splendor, a dinghy called Prince Valiant, and a dinner at Doug’s Harbor Reef that escalates into smashed glass and jealousy. Back on the water, timelines fracture. A neighbor hears cries for help. Harbor Patrol doesn’t answer. Hours pass before the Coast Guard is called. Morning brings a cove, a floating dinghy, a nightgown and socks, a heavy jacket, and bruises that don’t match the official story. We revisit the autopsy questions, the captain’s later confession, and why Robert Wagner was named a person of interest decades later—while Christopher Walken’s theory clashes with Natalie’s known terror of dark water and her habit of asking the captain to handle the smallest boat chores.
Beyond the mystery is a bigger reckoning: what happens when image outruns accountability, when a studio-era playbook teaches girls to perform obedience and men to protect reputations. We sit with the coincidences—roles and names, Splendor in the Grass and the Splendor at sea, a career that began in 1943 and a life that ended at 43—then put them aside for what matters: testimony, timelines, and the courage to speak. Justice for Natalie Wood isn’t a slogan; it’s an invitation to break the habit of silence.
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Hey Jesse. Hello, Miss Lindsay. What are you having to drink today? I have a mojito.
SPEAKER_02:You do.
SPEAKER_03:You helped me. I did. And we got something from the garden and we put it in there. And you know, I haven't tried it yet.
SPEAKER_02:Well, take a sip.
SPEAKER_03:Do I have to go?
SPEAKER_02:For our listeners. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Hey listeners.
SPEAKER_02:Tell me how your mojito is.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Do your own mojitos and let us know if there's anything different. I mean how is it? Wait a minute. It's perfect.
SPEAKER_01:Is it? Okay.
SPEAKER_03:This is perfect. It has all the pizzazz and all the clean, just a nice, neat drink. It's amazing. Though it's on the rocks. And it's beautiful.
SPEAKER_02:So per our last episode, uh, Jesse wanted me to pick a drink from our mixology chart. And we are going to be covering um mojitos is on there. What was it saying? Well, yes, it is. Well, this week we're gonna be drinking about a golden age Hollywood actress. So I was gonna go, I literally looked up the popular drink in that area, and one of them was a Harvey Wallbanger. So I was like, Jesse, it's got vodka in it, which I can take because dark liquors I can't do. And we went out on a mission today to find the other ingredient, which is it's vodka, orange juice, and um Galeano.
SPEAKER_03:Mumbo Galliano.
SPEAKER_02:And uh our town doesn't carry it, but you have to try it though, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, it's so crisp.
SPEAKER_02:So hold on, let me try the mojito.
SPEAKER_03:This was this was what we settled for.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it's very crisp. Oh, shit. Hold on.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like me and Lindsay's in our closet right now and we're like, we're we're drinking underage, like hiding from shit. Nice. Yeah, that's what I really feel like.
SPEAKER_02:So anyway, we went out on a mission this morning. Uh, we had to get we had to get some things because we're we're getting we're getting ready for our Thanksgiving uh family events. Now this will come out on Black Friday. So hey, happy Thanksgiving and welcome to Black Friday.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep the uh frustration and everything down and just be cool and do some amazing shopping and find some badass deals.
SPEAKER_02:But the day that we're recording this, uh, yeah, so we've been we've been prepping our house for a lot of guests that we're gonna have Thanksgiving Day.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and let us know how you do your family stuff.
SPEAKER_02:But we our town doesn't carry Galeano. No, they don't. So Lindsay could not get her Harvey Wallbanger, but next pod, we're gonna have it because we're going to Gainesville, which is the nearest town that carries Galeano.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we're gonna find it.
SPEAKER_02:We're gonna get it so that I can make me a Harvey Wallbanger. So it's a one-week delay, but I still got a cool ass drink over here that's on the two-week delay, basically. From that time, one week delay from the time that this comes out, two weeks from the day that we went shopping. Yeah, yeah. I charged her with it.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, Lindsay, you need to do this. You need to do something really cool. But this was really good.
SPEAKER_02:Jesse got him a uh mojito mixer, and then we got some mint out of our garden. It's so good. And I muddled it for him. And uh, I just tried his mojito. I had to take two sits because it was good. Listen, y'all.
SPEAKER_03:She was over there like, I'm muddling, baby. I'm like, go ahead, baby. I'm muddling, baby. Go ahead, baby. Go ahead, baby. Okay, baby.
SPEAKER_02:But Jesse, you gotta ask me what I'm drinking. What are you drinking over there, Miss Lindsay? So I've got in my cup, I have a peach vista bay. And then I discovered these prebiotic energy drinks at Aldi, and they had a peach mango one, which you know I don't like mango by itself, so it's peach mango, which I like together. So I added it to the peach vis to bae, and that's in my cup.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, those are the the first drinks that I'm not allowed to drink, but I'm supposed to drink some of them because you're like, I don't like these. But I like them, but you like them together.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, mango by itself, it's nay, mango with peach together, amazing. But I the for the ones that you will always find put to the side is the passion fruit.
SPEAKER_03:And I've been drinking that all day. I know. Here and there. We've been cleaning, we've been prepping, we've been getting everything ready for the festive Thanksgiving, whatever the.
SPEAKER_02:But this will be a this this episode will air after Thanksgiving. So I hope you had a great one. Yes, we did. Enjoy your Black Friday. Jesse and I will be spending the day shopping, and then we're gonna watch Wicked for Good.
SPEAKER_03:Ooh, we pre-gamed on that one earlier.
SPEAKER_02:3D RPX, you and I in the recliner chairs with a big ass bucket of popcorn and a drink.
SPEAKER_01:You and I should make a pack. We will bring some wicked back. Yes. Just come on. I'll be there.
SPEAKER_03:Fuck it, Lindsay. Happy intro. Yay! Oh my goodness, Lindsay. I'm excited. All the stores, all the things. Christmas shopping. We love to give. Right? I mean, look at her loaded Janice Joplin shirt over there. You're looking so fucking fire right now.
SPEAKER_02:So if you watch our recap on YouTube, you'll be able to see my uh Janice Joplin shirt.
SPEAKER_03:I love me some Janice Joplin. Lindsay on 10 over here. Look at you. Hey, can I take you out on a date?
SPEAKER_02:I guess so. Where are we gonna go? We're gonna go to the kitchen table and eat some chili.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Let's do that. You have things and you want to puddle me on things.
SPEAKER_02:I do. And this one is gonna be a real. I want to see how many times you can say, oh my god. Is it gonna be a humdinger? A humdinger? Oh. So, um, first of all though, yeah, I could ask you, what made you feel old this week?
SPEAKER_03:Getting over the sickness made me feel old. All the pills and things and whatever to get by. That kind of made me feel used, you know. I used to just power through that shit because I don't like medicine. You know me. I do not like medicine.
SPEAKER_02:Listen, Jesse's afraid to take too much ibuprofen because he the last time I gave him some ibuprofen, he didn't wake up on time for work.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I just don't like it. I don't like to like rely, I I just tough it out. I don't know if that's just old school me or whatever. And I just do it, you know, and you're like, come on, dude. I want you to feel better. I'm like, I'll be all right. Let me just die and then I'll live again. We live and die another day. Whatever. Lindsay always, she's always taking something. She's like, no, I want to feel good right now. Yeah, exactly. Right now.
SPEAKER_02:And I mean, I don't take just anything. Like, I have my mitol, I have my ibuprofen, and then we have both been battling a cold this week. So we've been day quilling, and Jesse's on musinex. Musinex makes me cough a lot. I know that that's a good thing. You're supposed to hack it all out. But at the same time, I want to suppress mine. So I take the day quill. But I did take the musinex PM last night, and I slept really well.
SPEAKER_03:So did I. So I'm gonna take it again tonight. You know, we got up and we kicked ass and cleaned all day. I was not fucking worn out. I got good sleep. Yeah. As you have heard, anybody that listens consecutively, we have been sick for like two weeks now.
SPEAKER_02:So it's and um I got so my coworker, she's been telling me about this for a few years. Um, is called it's like a Christopher's formula that you it's like a natural antibiotic. So I ordered us some of those. We've been taking those. I think we have it beat. Yeah, I think it helped. For the most part. We're on the we're we're over the hump. We're on the good side. We want to be completely better before we go out in the public for Black Friday shopping, which we will be doing as you listen to this episode. So, with all that being said, what made me feel old this week is your turn, and I did share it in our stories already, but there was a TikTok that I found of a collaboration of songs that are turning 35 this year.
SPEAKER_03:And I realized that 30, but 35.
SPEAKER_02:35. And all those songs are still they're younger than us.
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And that was that was a weird realization.
SPEAKER_03:What was some of the songs?
SPEAKER_02:Um, your unbelievable um. And that's the only one I can remember. I shared it to you.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Do you remember?
SPEAKER_03:No, but I remember you sharing it. It was just like, I did watch it, and every one of them made me feel old too. So you're right. You're definitely right. 35 though. 30 is okay. No, not really, but still. 35 years old? Yes. All right, there's one. We'll just let it play. We can't put that on here. Can we?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it is. It's less than a few seconds.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Oh my god, Madonna.
SPEAKER_03:Madonna.
SPEAKER_02:Vogue.
SPEAKER_03:Vogue.
SPEAKER_01:Come on. Vogue.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Let your body move to the music.
SPEAKER_02:Oh god. Janet Jackson.
SPEAKER_03:Who is the goat? Escapade. Janet was hot. I mean, everybody was just fired.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you had Michael, you had Janet, you had Madonna, you had Duran Duran.
SPEAKER_03:Is there Billy Joel or who else? George Michael.
SPEAKER_02:George Michael is on this. Yes. Oh. Oh my God. Well, there it is.
SPEAKER_01:Freo. Freeho.
SPEAKER_03:Senate O'Connor. You hear it. You hear it. We were talking about that for a while.
SPEAKER_01:Guess what? He told me.
SPEAKER_03:Her shaving her hair and just being like iconic. That was so beautiful.
SPEAKER_01:But he's a fool. Nothing compared.
SPEAKER_02:He's going to switch here in a second.
SPEAKER_01:Nothing compared to.
SPEAKER_02:Alright, that was it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god. So all those songs.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. All those songs are uh 35 years old this year. Dude, I want to like And we're 43.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, I want to jam every one of those songs after this, though. Just celebrate our oldness. Celebrate your oldness with us. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. So that's the end of that. Okay. Like I said before, this week we are drinking about a golden age Hollywood actress, and her name is Natalie Wood.
SPEAKER_03:Natalie Wood. What Lindsay does though, really honestly, she tells these stories, and I don't know anything about them. And and I don't know anything about Natalie Wood. I thought it was like one of the Dixie chicks at first, but that's not.
SPEAKER_02:No, that's Natalie Maynes, too. Natalie Maines, yeah. That's that's my girl. I love her. Okay. So, real quick, we're gonna um plug all of our uh socials real quick before we get started. So follow us. Our website is drinkaboutsomething. And you can also like and subscribe to us on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, all of your platforms that you listen to all the time. We would really appreciate it if you could give us a review and uh like and comment on those apps if that's where you listen to us at. It would really help us out.
SPEAKER_03:And you know, I was thinking, I was like, is this something typical that people do in all podcasts? They really do. Even the millionaire podcasts that have millions of followers and everything, they they plug this same.
SPEAKER_01:Every time I just want to say, you can ring my bell. You can ring my bell.
SPEAKER_03:That's the little like the little icon that I've just discovered.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't know it was even there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And now that makes me feel old. Whoa.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Jesse's a little boomery, and when it comes, I'm like, what's so close?
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SPEAKER_02:Well, on the stories, I always post uh photos of the parties that are involved in our cases. And I will plug the audio book or the documentary that I watched uh for information on the case. And then we also plug the band at the end that we uh that we share at the end that Jesse has gotten permission to play. So make sure that you we we we know we watch, we see the stats, we know y'all are listening and we love you. Just we need you to do a little just a teeny bit of extra work. It's free.
SPEAKER_03:We had a comment from one of my old besties the other day. I love it. Oh, Todd. I love Todd. We got I want him over here. And he he he mentioned something the other day. I was like, let's do a podcast about it. He's like, no, y'all do a podcast about it.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:So look at that. We're gonna do a podcast about it and then tag Todd in it. Love it.
SPEAKER_02:And um, our number one fan, Mary, we she got our merch that we sent her and she shared us last week. And we we love you, Mary. We love you so much, and we hope you enjoy your merch and keep listening. All of our love. Yes, we love you so much. So we're gonna get started. So, Natalie Wood, um, she started out as a child star, and she was little Susan Walker in the original Miracle on 34th Street.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, are you kidding me right now? An angel gets his wings. Every time you ring a bell, an angel gets his wings right now. An angel gets his wings, right?
SPEAKER_02:So that's one of Jesse and I. So cute. Yeah, we always watch the original with um, you know, the black and white, and then we also watched the 90s version. Virgin, the 90s version that has little uh Matilda in it. God, I can never remember her real name. But we also watched her, Jesse and I did a Robin Williams night last night. We watched Hook and we watched Mrs. Doubtfire. And she's yeah, she's this little girl. Oh my god, I'm gonna look her up really quick because I gotta know her name too.
SPEAKER_03:DNA. We had to get a DNA. We watched Hook and then we watched Mrs. Doubtfire, and I was like, Silas, you need to know this house right here. And then we talked about the McAllister house. We talked about some houses, you know. It was like, you need to know this house. And this house is in San Francisco, and this is such an iconic Mara Wilson.
SPEAKER_02:Mara Wilson. So she played and y'all will. I mean, if you if you're a millennial, especially, you'll know her from Miracle on 34th Street, Mrs. Doubtfire, uh, Matilda. She was a very prominent child star in our growing up. In your heart. And you know what's crazy is, you know, she went through a lot of shit the same as Natalie Wood will, but uh, we're we're gonna continue. So Maria also played in the, not Maria, sorry. Natalie Wood played Maria in the 1961 musical West Side Story, which has also been remade and updated. I introduced Jesse to that last year, I think it was West Side Story. It's a good movie. Yeah. It's a good musical, but we need to watch the original. I mean, you remind me of a West Side Story. And she also played Gypsy Rose Lee in the movie Gypsy, and that is who Gypsy Rose Blanchard is named after. So, like that, there's gonna be a lot of this is making me giddy over here.
SPEAKER_03:What?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so she played so Nellie Wood had a very extensive career, okay? She was a very big deal among movie stars, and her fame came to be because her mother, Maria, was just a little nuts. Uh, it there's gonna be so many uh ironic coincidences in this story. It's it's gonna blow your mind.
SPEAKER_03:I'm already already on on like 10 right now.
SPEAKER_02:So I want to see if you can pick them out. Like, like I said, already there's one. Her mother's name was Maria, and then she played Maria. Okay. So it's Maria Maria. Yeah. We're gonna talk about Maria to begin with. So Maria, I'm so sorry, this is Russian, so I'm gonna struggle. Zoudilova. Zoudilova was born in Russia, and she was of Russian and Ukrainian descent. And her and her family had had to flee to China during the Russian Civil War, and they were refugees in Hardin. Now, Maria, she would marry an Armenian mechanic named Alexander Tatulov.
SPEAKER_03:If it's not right, Lindsay, I swear to God. I'm kidding. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So it's Alexander Tatulov, uh, but he went by Alexi. You know that that's a very popular Russian name.
SPEAKER_03:This is awesome. I love global stuff.
SPEAKER_02:And they had a daughter together named Olga, and they would move to America in 1930. Now they uh Alexi and Maria they divorced when Olga was six years old, and then she would get remarried to a man named Nicholas Zacharinko. And then Natalie would be born Natalia Nicolavino Lindsay now, come on. Hold on, give me a second. Okay, Natalia Natalia Nicolavina Zacharin Zacharin Zacharinko in San Francisco on July 20th, 1938. And her nickname would be Natasha.
SPEAKER_03:I just feel like you just slayed a dragon right now.
SPEAKER_02:I did slay such a dragon. Oh my god. And she would later on have a little sister named Svetlana, who would also be an actress named Lana Wood. So yeah, and I'll I'll get to how they, you know, got their names. So Maria, she had wanted to be a ballet dancer and an actress, but since she wasn't able to do those things, she made sure that her daughters would aspire to be great. She she pushed them into it. Wow. So before her daughters were born, a gypsy now. I told you before, and Natalie played in the film Gypsy. A gypsy had told her that her secondborn daughter would be a star known all over the world. And uh the gypsy also told her to be careful while swimming because she had seen to into the future, and the future was her, Maria, drowning in dark water. Wow. And you know, that had to be terrifying because Maria traveled from China to Vancouver on a ship. Yeah, so she was a refugee in China, had to come over here to Vancouver on a ship, and then she, you know, came to California.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So not only was Maria terrified of dark water, she would make her girls terrified of it as well. When Maria got to San Francisco, she would watch movies constantly to the point where, like, she was like, you know what, I gotta, I gotta get a job to support my movie go and have it. So she became an uh an usheress at a movie theater so that she could always be able to watch these movies. Now, Olga, she would take ballet and piano lessons, but Maria focused hard on Natalie becoming star. You know, she was the secondborn child that the gypsy had told her would be a star.
SPEAKER_03:I love all this so far. I mean, they got away from but at the same time, a lot of things now.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I mean, just saying, so far Maria is making her kids live out her dreams, and that's not cool.
SPEAKER_03:Not pushing it. No, don't push it, you know. I mean, I get that those who can't teach, but you teach, you don't push. You know, you're just like, okay, well, you can try this and let them build from it, right? Right. And then that's it. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep going. You gotta let them fly on their own, however they want to. I mean, I love it still so far. It seems healthy. I don't know how she's pushing it. No, maybe not. I'm maybe I'm just overstepping.
SPEAKER_02:I'm uh verociously shaking my head now. Oh, okay, okay. Um so uh Natalie started ballet at three, and Maria would take her to the movies constantly, like as a way to train her.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, so now you're getting into the disgusting side that you're okay.
SPEAKER_02:So she would also dress her up like really cute and parade her around movie sets until she got discovered. And she did get discovered at four years old by William Goats and David Lewis. They told Maria that uh Natalia at the time needed an Americanized stage name. So Maria came up with Natalie Wood. Yeah. And Wood was from a director named Sam Wood. Like Maria did her homework on all like uh every part of a production of the movie.
SPEAKER_03:But it's unhealthy, dude. Very unhealthy. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So she started out with small parts and commercials, and then Irving Pitchell discovered her, and he got her the big parts. Now, Maria would make sure that Natalie was pleasing, well behaved, and Natalie was so much so that Irving wanted to adopt her.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That's kind of strange. That's kind of strange. But Maria was like, no, uh, we're not gonna do that. And but at the same time, this could all be a made-up story because Maria liked uh to do things that made her and her children seem more important or more amazing than they already were. She had uh what we would call delusions of grandeur, things like that. Now, for the movie Tomorrow is forever, Natalie got the part for that, and uh, she would need to learn how to cry on cue. So Maria would tell her, you know what? Uh think about our family dog dying. Trauma.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And then Maria would also take a butterfly that was like in a jar for one of the sets, and she literally just ripped the wings off this butterfly to get Natalie to cry. No, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Uh-uh.
SPEAKER_02:Come on now. Yeah, she wanted to get them waterworks going.
SPEAKER_03:So she That's like, okay, that's like silver screen amazingness going on right now. And you're doing it so unhealthy.
SPEAKER_02:And there's a lot of just makes you think about you know, just listening to, I'm gonna plug the book at the end that I listened to for this case, but just listening to everything that Maria put Natalie through just made me really feel sorry for the rest of the child stars that we grew up watching, like Macaulay Coken and oh god, I'd have already forgotten her name. Fuck from Matilda and you know, all these child stars, because we know now that they're older, that they really went through a lot of shit as they were younger.
SPEAKER_03:The unhealthy push. That's really cool. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Now, one of uh Natalie's old child co-stars said that Maria did not like her hanging out with other kids. She wanted her to be around adults the most. That's unhealthy too. Like, you gotta, oh god, Maria's just really crazy.
SPEAKER_03:Wow.
SPEAKER_02:Now, Natalie did so well in a movie called Tomorrow is Forever that she got a contract with 20th Century Fox and went on to star in movies like Miracle on 34th Street, uh, The Ghost and Mrs. Muir, The Bride Who Wore Boots, and several others. And when she was working on Miracle, she was also in like three other movies at the same time. Imagine that.
SPEAKER_03:Pushing all of them. Imagine you're a little kid on a child, under five. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And you were literally trying to work. Oh, well, I'm sorry, I don't want to say under five. I think it was under eight. She was between she was between five and eight when all these were. Yeah. So it was total identity crisis. She would literally she was literally on the set of three different movies, or sorry, four different movies at the same time.
SPEAKER_03:Four. I couldn't do one.
SPEAKER_02:No, as an adult. Right. So Maria had all these crazy superstitions, and it was the those superstitions were always in Natalie's head, you know, as well as like Maria had pushed the fear of dark water on her, you know. So not only is she playing in all these movies, pretending to be a bunch of different kids, a bunch of different people, she's got all these superstitions and all these fears that are in her head, like all at the same time. Okay. Now, when she got in her teenage years, Maria would scare her about sex by saying that she was so small, because Natalie was like a very petite, very petite girl. She Maria would tell her that she was smoke so small that if she had sex with a well-endowed man, his penis would puncture her insides. And if she ever got pregnant, she would die.
SPEAKER_03:I'm over here looking at you right now.
SPEAKER_02:Like Yeah. Maria was a nightmare. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:She doesn't remind me of West Side story. Not that one. No, she's not growing up in Spanish or something.
SPEAKER_02:What's crazy is uh Natalie played the part of Maria, but she did not do the singing. Yeah. So you haven't watched the original Res Side story. I have. No, I haven't. You watched the Ma the newer version of it, which is really good. But mom, mom, mom.
SPEAKER_03:Mm-hmm. Quit trying to fucking make me whatever you want to make me and putting me in fear and making me fear my life and not be a regular human child. You've stripped, you're stripping away my livelihood, mom.
SPEAKER_02:Now, from four years old, Natalie was bringing in the dough for her whole family. And she didn't realize that. She just knew that she got a special prize after each movie was made. Like she got a telescope and a typewriter and things like that. Now she started acting in 1943. So please remember that number, okay? Because I'm going to talk about it again later.
SPEAKER_03:1943. I will do my best. I'm not sure if alcohol, I don't know, but Lindsay, I'm I'm I'll do my best. I know we're 43, so hell yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And she was making around$800 a week at the beginning of her contract and was making$3,300 a week by the eighth year. That is$43,000 in today's money. What? The spending power.
SPEAKER_03:Not even to talk about all the royalties. Right. The royalties.
SPEAKER_02:Now, Maria, she was the pusher, and she even said, God made Natalie, but I invented her.
unknown:Oh.
SPEAKER_03:Her ma.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So now we're just being completely disgusting.
SPEAKER_02:But at the same time, like Natalie was super talented. Like, you know, she it it acting came very easy to her. And a lot of child stars don't continue to act out of childhood, but Natalie did. She even co-starred with James Dean in Rebel Without a Cause. What? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like though, there's only so much juice you can get from the character.
SPEAKER_02:Now I haven't watched that movie in like, I want to say 25 years. We need to rewatch that because that's a good film. Yeah. Rebel Without a Cause. Yeah. She was Hollywood's it girl in that time period. Like Natalie Wood was the tits. And um when she was 15, this is kind of cringe. She caught the eye of Frank Sinatra, who was 38. So ew. Uh, and of course, Maria was like, just be nice to the gentleman, fancy, and they'll be nice to you.
SPEAKER_03:No, you're kidding me right now. Wait a minute. Here's your one chance. Mm-hmm. Fancy? Don't let me down. Yeah. Lindsay. Yeah. Lindsay. No, you can't. No, you. Okay, we can, but we know you.
SPEAKER_02:He sent her or Maria sent her off to party at Sinatra's house by herself. Fuck. At 15.
SPEAKER_03:And I thought Frankie was amazing. Just come on, fuck.
SPEAKER_02:Come on. Oh, you haven't listened to podcasts like I have. Like, you'll think a whole different. No. You fuck with me and Frankie. Yeah, when we uh when we go into different cases, Frank Sinatra will come up quite a few times in some that I've saved.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, the plant's not emotional enough. I need a pillow to fight. I want something to leg wrestle later. I really do.
SPEAKER_02:Now, when she was 16 years old and working on Rebel, it said that Natalie was involved with director Nicholas Ray, who was 44. Involved? Involved. And Maria was all about it. She's like, Yeah, yeah, babe. Yeah, honey. Yeah, yeah, darling, darling, sweet child of mine. It's okay that you hang out with uh this 44-year-old man.
SPEAKER_03:But you know, no, wait, wait a minute, Lindsay. You're just dropping too much.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's gonna get dark here in a second. And it was also rumored and alleged that Natalie was raped by Kirk Douglas. That's Mike Douglas's father. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I need a pillow. I need a pillow.
SPEAKER_02:This is good, it's okay. Yeah. He had allegedly lured her into his apartment for a script reading. And when she got there, he told her, I've always wanted to fuck you, and I've always wanted to fuck a teenager.
SPEAKER_03:I want to puke.
SPEAKER_02:Now she was really good friends um with another actor that has left my brain at the moment. But the next day after this happened, like she went right to him and told him, Yeah. This is dirty. Dennis Hopper. Dennis Hopper. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:This is no, this is dirty. Yeah. Hollywood dirty.
SPEAKER_02:Very Hollywood dirty. No. Yeah. And in fact, a couple of her friends and men she would later on date would say that she showed all the signs that she had been sexually assaulted in her life, but she didn't really talk about it. So Natalie at one point uh was engaged to a boy that she had had a crush on for forever named uh Jimmy Williams. They went to school together. Like she had been tutored privately for most of her childhood through a lot of her movies, but then she went back to public high school, and that's where she met Jimmy Williams. And they like he didn't really give a shit about her at first, but when he grew up, he was like, Oh, Natalie Wood. So they dated and they fell madly in teenage love. You remember teenage love, it's so intense, yeah, it's very intense.
SPEAKER_03:It's healthy to go through that stage. You have to go through that, but she's already been through so much already, right? She's already lived a lifetime. You can't. It's everywhere, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:She's already she's been working since she was four years old. She's literally had a full-time job, multiple full-time jobs since she was four years old. Okay. Uh, Jimmy, he wasn't a Hollywood star, and Maria was like, no, absolutely not.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, you can't be a normal person.
SPEAKER_02:And Jimmy, he would attempt suicide after Maria made Natalie give the engagement ring back. Like he tried it with a shotgun. And that's why I'm drinking this over here.
SPEAKER_03:That's why I'm drinking this mojito.
SPEAKER_02:Such a sad story, man. Now, when Natalie was 18, she met movie star Robert Wagner or RJ. Now you will know him as number two from the Austin Powers movies.
SPEAKER_03:Number two.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. Yes. Yes. Now he was 26. Natalie was 18. But you know, back in those days, nobody batted an eye, that shit, especially in Hollywood. And they would get married in 1957. Now she had actually gotten a headshot of RJ when she was 11 years old and put it up in her room and said that she was going to marry him.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, she was seeking him out.
SPEAKER_02:She sought him out. Oh, yeah. She manifested that a hundred percent. But you know, Hollywood marriages are they're something else, okay?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, they're all 6'7.
SPEAKER_02:So, first of all, Natalie, she was at the height of her career, and Robert seemed to be at a plateau around that time. And he was known to be a very jealous man. And then there were rumors that Natalie cheated on RJ with Warren Beatty. Like they made a film together, but it's literally like said that Natalie could not stand Warren Beatty like at all. And it was very hard to have their sexual scenes in the movie that they did together because she could not stand him that much. Now she found him, she thought he was attractive and she respected his acting, his acting abilities, but she could not stand him.
SPEAKER_03:She was like, Fuck you, Warren Beatty. We've had crazy stories about halitosis and in actors and stuff.
SPEAKER_02:So we've been Yeah, if y'all did not know, um, the actor that plays Rhett Butler, I can't think Clark Gable. So him and Vivian Lee, you know, they they play in Gone with the Wind, which is an iconic movie for all generations past 1940. So it was said that Clark Gable had the worst halatosis, and Vivian Lee would literally get nauseous every time she had to kiss him.
SPEAKER_03:That's exactly what I was talking about.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:But it was a lot of shit.
SPEAKER_02:And I told you about that, didn't I?
SPEAKER_03:That's why I had to bring it up. And even with like John Wayne and crazy things, it's Hollywood. Wow.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Well, and they didn't have the dental um anonities, amenities, not anemities, amenities that we have now to address those type of situations, either back then. So they still had gum. Did they?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, they did. They did.
SPEAKER_02:Gum was invented in the 1800s. So yeah.
SPEAKER_03:They had like some kind of breath freshener or something.
SPEAKER_02:Drink some creme de mints, okay?
SPEAKER_03:Just drink some good, some some good drink a mojito over here. Exactly. Just put a mint leaf in your mouth. Right now is on 10 right now.
SPEAKER_02:But you know, I mean, honestly, the must the misogyny in old school Hollywood, they probably didn't give a fuck.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like I could give the best kiss right now.
SPEAKER_02:That shit is good. It's very nice. It's very crisp, very minty.
SPEAKER_03:Very nice. If you haven't had a mojito, get it.
SPEAKER_02:So Aaron sent me a photo of her and Morgan. They were drinking those last weekends. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:We had them on just a few weeks ago. God, that was so.
SPEAKER_02:She was like, These are crisp as fuck. And I was like, yes, they really are. This is crisp. They're very crisp.
SPEAKER_03:So, Aaron and Morgan, if you're hearing this, this is crisp. I'm following your footsteps over here. But you know, honestly, real quick, real quick, can I say it real quick? We were on a cruise ship one time. And this old man told me about mojitos. I've never had one before. I just I'm like, yeah, give me a long island, whatever, I'll go back to the pool, right? Because we go to the pool, because you know, it's it's also our bathroom. Yeah. Not that we're disgusting, but I think everybody does it because they don't leave for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours. But we're hanging out at the pool forever, and this old man's like, dude, you need to drink a mojito. It's clean, it's a nice, good drink. And I was like, what? What's a fucking mojito?
SPEAKER_02:Jesse had them things coming on schedule.
SPEAKER_03:We were in like Mexico or somewhere, right?
SPEAKER_02:We're at Costa Maya. We were leaving Costa Maya.
SPEAKER_03:And we didn't get off on Costa Maya because it's got a shitty little dock and it's shit. And he told me about this and I stayed on it. So I think every cruise from now on, I'm a mojito man.
SPEAKER_01:Mojito.
SPEAKER_03:Anyhow, Lindsay, I just wanted to tell that story, but you can get back to your thing over here, whatever your fucking fuckery over here. Fuck.
SPEAKER_02:Well, like I said, there was uh, you know, rumors that Natalie had cheated on RJ with Warren Beatty, but like I said, she didn't really like him at all. And there were also rumors that RJ had cheated on Natalie. Hollywood garbage. With a man.
SPEAKER_03:With a man.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a homosexual at all.
SPEAKER_03:But they're married, right?
SPEAKER_02:They're married. And um, you know, but in that time, they weren't you couldn't do that. But Robert had the same agent that other men that would later on come out to be homosexual. He would have he had the same agent as those men. So he kind of got classified in that same category. Like there were literally other females that would be that would come to Natalie and be like, hey, you know, we think that RJ is bisexual. And they would end up getting divorced. This would cause um Natalie to attempt suicide. Oh God.
SPEAKER_03:The scandal has brought me to, and she's been through so many things. So many things already. And she sought him out, right?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, it was just well, she manifested their relationship like 100%.
SPEAKER_03:I'm just saying, like it was, you know, now she's even more destroyed. Here we go.
SPEAKER_02:Right. She loved him, she idolized him. Yeah, and so after four short years, you know, they divorced in 1962. Now, RJ would go on to marry another woman named, or she was another actress named Marion Marshall, and they had a little girl named Katie, and Natalie remarried to a man named Richard Gregson, and they had a little girl who she named Natasha, which was her nickname. That's very cute.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Now, 10 years after their divorce, and now having married and divorced other people, Natalie and RJ were at the same party and rekindled their relationship. And they were remarried in 1972, and together they had a little girl named Courtney in 1974. Oh. So they married, divorced, had children, remarried other people, came back together, and now they are reconsolidated.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:If that's what you want to call it, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It happened.
SPEAKER_02:Now in this go-around, they were both, you know, much more mature people. And um, RJ's career was very active, and Natalie's had slowed down. And she was good with that. I mean, she had been working her whole life, so she took a hiatus and focused on being a mom.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because he stayed all the way active up until well, Austin Powers and stuff, right?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, he's yeah, he's been active till yeah now still kidding ass. Oh, and I meant to uh I meant to say that Kirk Douglas, who allegedly raped her, he lived till 103. Buck oh three. Are you kidding me? 103, because when I was, you know, sidegooging and everything, because the audio book that I listened to, which I will plug at the end, um, it just said a very famous actor and director. So I was like, I want to know the fucking name of this person. So I Googled, I was like, who allegedly sexually assaulted Natalie Wood? And Kirk Douglas came up. And so I Googled Kirk Douglas because I knew I was like, Douglass, that's uh that's a name I know. And then of course it was Mike Douglas's father. And then so it showed when he died, he 103. Yeah. He lived longer than Betty White. That's not okay with, I'm not okay with that. I'm not okay with that.
SPEAKER_03:But at least he made Mike Douglas, and that's the only white man's ever made.
SPEAKER_02:And you know, I don't we we love Mike Douglas, and we we hope that he's a wholesome person. I really do.
SPEAKER_03:104.
SPEAKER_02:So after a few years, Natalie decided to take a role in a sci-fi thriller called Brainstorm, in which she would co-star with. Are you ready?
SPEAKER_03:No, I'm not, but yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Are you ready?
SPEAKER_03:Are you ready?
SPEAKER_02:Christopher Walken.
SPEAKER_03:Christopher Walken in a winter wonderland with all the cowbell that you could ever fucking have. But I mean, we always need more. That's what we always need. We need more cowbell.
SPEAKER_02:Now I'm gonna show you. So you and I have watched Christopher Walken our entire life. Yeah. I'm gonna show you what he looked like in 1981. 81 walken?
SPEAKER_03:81 walking.
SPEAKER_02:Isn't he handsome as fuck? Like, okay. He's not Gert Beef probe right there, okay?
SPEAKER_03:Chiseled, fucking handsome. Like chiseled. Does that make sense? So what's everything that we love?
SPEAKER_02:What's everything that we love about Christopher Walken?
SPEAKER_01:I mean, he can get it. He can get it. 80 Christopher Walken, 1980s, Christopher Walken, hot.
SPEAKER_02:I I my mind, all my minds were blown.
SPEAKER_03:You can stab him in the face with a soldering iron.
SPEAKER_02:All my personalities were like, yes.
SPEAKER_03:What was the thing we've been watching though, Lindsay? Like about the Game of Thrones thing where you're like, how many drinks you can oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god. Oh, you guys, if y'all are Game of Thrones fans, there is a trend out right now.
SPEAKER_03:Which is everywhere. I'm sorry to bring that up, but like he don't even need a drink for me.
SPEAKER_02:No drinks. Sober, raw, uncut, unedited. So there's a trend, Game of Thrones trend. It's um how many, what is it? How many shots would it take? Um smash, yeah. To smash.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And uh for different Game of Thrones characters, y'all follow, go look up that hashtag on on TikTok. It is great if you're a Game of Thrones fan. If you're not on the Game of Thrones, like get on it right now. In fact, Jesse and I start re-watching in January, and we're gonna start talking about it. You guys can re-watch with us from the beginning. We'll maybe we'll talk about an episode every week or five.
SPEAKER_03:Not saying that you're not our friends if you don't like you're always our friends, but at the same time, we want to hear your own. You gotta get on it, man.
SPEAKER_02:You gotta get on it.
SPEAKER_03:Oh man, Game of Thrones, house.
SPEAKER_02:So, what was your what was your introduction to Christopher Walken?
SPEAKER_03:Christopher Walken beginnings? Oh my god. What was the MTV music video that he was in? What was that?
SPEAKER_02:That wasn't my beginning, but uh, it was a Fat Boy Slim one, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_03:Fat Boy Slim one? I'm sure I've gonna look it up right now. I'd seen him in some other things before that, I'm sure. Some movies and some you had to have. Do you remember him dancing in that video? Yes.
SPEAKER_02:I'm about to look it up. Give me just a second.
SPEAKER_03:Fuck MTV. Come back, dude. We just I'm a little buzzed, so give me just a second to goog here. Who's gonna come up with something that's just MTV type things that plays music videos and has Beavis and Butthead like breaking?
SPEAKER_02:It is Fat Boy Swim.
SPEAKER_03:Fat Boy Slim. Fat Boy Swim Swimming. Slim is swimming. Bow legged.
SPEAKER_02:So Fat Boy Slim, it's weapon of choice, and it is amazing. Like, look up that music video. But my introduction to Christopher Walken was Sarah Plain and Tall.
SPEAKER_03:Sarah, okay.
SPEAKER_02:He plays Jacob. Isn't that his name? I'm gonna look it up. Oh my god, because that was core memory unlocked right there.
SPEAKER_03:Sarah Plain and Tall. That's that was fucking with Glenn Close. How many years before that? Was that Christopher Walken?
SPEAKER_02:Can you just suck?
SPEAKER_03:There were some mafia movies.
SPEAKER_02:Jacob! What's his name? Like, listen, that was off the hip.
SPEAKER_03:You nailed it?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Jacob Witting. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03:You're like a ricochet from a Clint Eastwood movie over here.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So that was with Glenn Close. And that was my first. That was my first Christopher Walkeny.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, what was the there were so many mafia movies and things he was in too. Like I was sure that was easy to fight.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so it was Christopher Walken and Sarah Planin's Hall. Then it was the music video from Fat Boy Slim. Then, of course, you've got the SNL skit, The More Cowbell, which is iconic. You can't get enough cowbell to this day. I got a fever. To this day. And then Joe Dirt. Then Joe Dirt. Joe Dirt. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:That's like a big thing.
SPEAKER_02:And then he was in click.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. He was in click. Oh, he was in clique. He was like.
SPEAKER_02:But do do the do Girt beef probe. What was the Does your mother sew? It sold us. A Sabb in the face with a soldering eye.
SPEAKER_03:I already said it twice, but twice or three times or whatever, but still, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So much Christopher Walken that I mean, like Christopher fucking Walking. No, we haven't done it.
SPEAKER_03:Nobody has done Walken in a Winter Wonderland, have they?
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. I mean, that was probably like actually my fourth encounter with Walken is from um Sleepy Hollow. Sleepy Hollow. Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:He was the headless horseman and my God. Yeah. Iconic role.
SPEAKER_03:CBCW. You are the man. And maybe the mafia movie was from like Pulp Fiction or something like that. Because I remember him being in that. It's like.
SPEAKER_02:But I mean, he was Frank Abignell's father, and catch me if you can. He was senior. Then he was Nikki Blonsky's dad in Hairspray, the hairspray that I love. Yes, I was born in the 80s, and I should love the Ricky Lake version the best, but absolutely not. I love the hairspray with Zach Efron and and and um what did I just say? Nikki Blonsky and John Travolta and Christopher Walken.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, we love us some musicals over the week.
SPEAKER_02:Because it was way more musical. And Jerry, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's right. That's right. Oh, you know, we you know, every time we watch hairspray, we have to watch Grease. Or every time we watch Grease, we have to watch Hairspray.
SPEAKER_02:We'll watch hairspray. Yeah. They just go hands in hand.
SPEAKER_03:There's some really rooted Gen Z stuff right there.
SPEAKER_02:All right. So we will snuff out our love for Christopher Walken and we'll keep going with the story. We love Christopher Walken's. But we'll get there. Come on. We'll get there. Okay. So RJ would be jealous of this role that Natalie took on uh because night, like I I showed you, uh 1981 Christopher Walken was an absolute dreamboat. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he's drop dead gorgeous.
SPEAKER_02:And there were immediate rumors of him and Natalie having an affair. But the director of the movie said that they really didn't have any sexual crimin chemistry at all on set. So, you know, if you don't have natural chemistry that the director can recognize, like fuck the rumors. Right.
SPEAKER_03:They do their shit and then they go somewhere else. Right, right.
SPEAKER_02:He didn't believe the rumor at all, this director, but the rumors flew, you know, because unfortunately, it doesn't matter what you say, rumors are gonna fly, period.
SPEAKER_03:Well, back to fear and insecurity at the same time. Yeah. If you're that insecure, just hang out on the set and see what's really happening. You know, if you feel comfortable with that, and then you can just let them go and do their thing. I mean, I mean, insecurity is unhealthy to begin with. But if you're if if you're feeling like that's a thing, just go hang out.
SPEAKER_02:Well, what's crazy is there's all these rumors of RJ being either bisexual or homosexual, period. But he was so jealous. And you know, and I you know that uh Freddie Mercury is my boo. I love that man so much. But I also feel like if he was that way, or if he is that way, that maybe it was like um a Mary Austin thing with him. Like, because Freddie Mercury loved Mary Austin.
SPEAKER_03:But that was his one and only that was real love, is female and love. Female love. Female love.
SPEAKER_02:And I mean he left her everything after he had an eight-year relationship with a man. I mean, and it it's crazy to me because like that was his true love, like as a human.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but in the midst of all that, you got this confused sexuality that you're just trying to you're trying to come to your your true self, and then you have drugs and everything else and involved in all that.
SPEAKER_02:And he loved, he loved his man. Was it Jim Hutton or James Hutton? Something like that. But he loved him, yeah, he loved his partner that he had for you know the eight years before he passed away, but he left Mary everything, and he literally felt betrayed by Mary when she went on to find another man and happiness because he as everyone deserves, as everyone deserves. But yeah, I mean, even though he was attracted to men, he loved Mary Austin very much.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, Behem and Rhapsody really portrayed everything really well. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And behemoth Rhapsody is like a true tale of everything that Freddie was feeling.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because of this fucking iconic. But going through all that, I mean, there's a lot of shitty situations and and people being shitty at the same time. And I think there's a little bit of shit on Fred. Well, I was like Freddie Mercury.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, Freddie loved Mary and RJ loved Natalie and did not want to lose her yet again, you know. So during Thanksgiving weekend, that's why I chose this episode. During Thanksgiving weekend of 1981, Jesse, you were almost born. Stop it. Almost. Yeah, not quite, but almost.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I was a preemie. You know that? I was a premi. I was like, yeah, I was a like six-pound fucking.
SPEAKER_02:So you were almost you were baking in the oven.
SPEAKER_03:You were came out of the oven early.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you came out of the oven early, but you weren't born quite yet. So production was put on hold for the holidays, and Natalie and RJ decided to take their yacht, the Splendor, to Santa Catalina Island. Ooh. Now, Natalie had starred in a movie called Splendor in the Grass with Warren Beatty just a year before her and RJ had got divorced. So there's another coincidence. Splendor Splendor. I mean, it's just crazy coincidences.
SPEAKER_03:Hollywood stuff, though, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Now, like I said before, you know, Natalie had this deep fear that was passed on from her mother of dark, deep waters, but she loved being on a boat. Like a lot of people don't even understand why she was on this boat, but per the audiobook that I read, she I mean, what uh RJ had always had boats since they started dating in the 60s, and she always felt safe on boats. She felt lit, she literally felt like the dark water wouldn't get her if she was on a boat.
SPEAKER_03:She felt safe, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:She felt safe all the time. So, I mean, she was used to the yacht life, the boat life. She loved it. Now, they invited other movie star friends to come along for this weekend, but uh there was like some rough seas and some bad weather, and the only one who would end up coming was Christopher Walken.
unknown:Oh.
SPEAKER_03:Struggles on the high seas here.
SPEAKER_02:And it was just funny too, because I'm thinking of Catalina Island. I'm thinking of the Catalina wine mixer. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You gotta have a wine mixer. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:It's the Catalina wine mixer. That's I wanted that's why I wanted to watch Step Brothers last night, by the way. Because I was like, can we watch Step Brothers? And you were like, no.
SPEAKER_03:No, I wasn't like, no, like, no. I just wanted to I wanted to put it on a burner. Can I have burners?
SPEAKER_02:Jesse was feeling very nostalgic. So we watched Hook and we watched Mrs. Alpha.
SPEAKER_03:Wasn't that just as it was amazing? But I get your whole fucking wanting to do your Catalina Y mixture over here now.
SPEAKER_02:I wanted to have it in your head.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't know. I mean, if I would have known. Boats and hose bitch. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So Natalie, RJ, Christopher Walken, and the yacht captain named Dennis Davern.
SPEAKER_03:That's it.
SPEAKER_02:Were that was it? That was on the yacht.
SPEAKER_03:This is a salad to begin with, right here. This is not a good one.
SPEAKER_02:They were the ones who set sail. Now the waters were choppy, but they set out anyway. So when they get to Catalina, they anchored and they went on the island to shop and wine and dine. Okay. So the first night, uh, RJ wanted to move the boat because the swells were getting bigger. But Natalie was super scared and they argued about it. I am not sure why she was scared. I I don't know. It's very strange and might have been a little much, you know?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Might have been a much.
SPEAKER_02:So Natalie and Dennis, the captain, they go to shore and they stay in a hotel while RJ and Christopher Walkins stayed on the yacht. So now they returned to the Splendor the next morning and then later had dinner at Doug's Harbor Reef, and everyone, including Dennis, the captain, they got stinking drunk. Now there was a dinghy called Prince Valiant. And yes, the dinghy, the yacht's dinghy, had its own name. And Prince Valiant, Prince Valiant was also a movie that RJ had starred in. Like so many coincidences here, right? I just, yeah. That was Prince Valiant, was what was getting them back and forth from yacht to shore. Now the manager of Doug's was concerned about them getting back to the Splendor safely after they had wined and dined because the group was wasted. Also, apparently there was an argument between Natalie, RJ, and Christopher Walken because RJ had felt like they were being just a little too flirtatious with each other. And he had smashed a glass at some point. Like this dude made a scene. Things calmed down a little bit, and then they decided to uh set sail back to the Splendor. And the restaurant manager had patrol follow them back to make sure they arrived at the yacht safely. Now another argument would arise between RJ and Christopher Walken because apparently RJ was not thrilled that Natalie had gotten back into acting and felt she should focus on being a mother.
SPEAKER_03:So there's just some hidden tension going on all over. So much hidden tension.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. And Chris was like, bro, she can totally do both. And this argument would get so heated that this time RJ broke an entire wine bottle. And you know, what did I show you the other night? Um, the expensive wine that they talk about in cocktail, Louis XIII.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I just kept picturing that bottle because it was really pretty and it was like coated in silver. And these people are just so rich that they probably just didn't give a fuck about anything.
SPEAKER_03:And they're just smashing a thousand dollar bottle of fucking wine. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:What the what the fuck?
SPEAKER_02:Well, Chris, he was like, I'm done with this shit, bro. So he retired to wherever it was that he was sleeping on the boat. And uh then Natalie, she went to the main stateroom to get away from them both. And around 11 p.m., RJ noticed that Natalie was nowhere to be found. And neither was Prince. Valiant, the dinghy. Oh, what?
SPEAKER_03:Out in the high seas.
SPEAKER_02:Out in the high seas. So there, I think they are uh about a mile from shore. That's why they took the dinghy back and forth. Just like when you and I went to Belize, and we had to take the little boat to shore.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Holy shit, what a ride that was.
SPEAKER_03:You gotta be ready for the ride, yo. You gotta be ready. Belize is a whole different. So it was fun though. Come on. You know, you you just you you got in, you strapped on, you went.
SPEAKER_02:So fast. I was literally, I wasn't literally shitting in my pants, but in my heart, I was shitting my pants at how fast that boat was going. Now, on the week back, we took a catamaran with a lot of people.
SPEAKER_03:Nice floating.
SPEAKER_02:And it was a nice, just chill ride back on the way when I wasn't, because we had to be at that boat at like 7 a.m., right? So we had we were up, we were showered, we were dressed. They're just rushing you in there. It's just I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. I was ready. I was like, I don't give a fuck. I want to believe. You know what made me feel safe though was that there were kids on there. I was like, it's gonna be okay. There's children here. I'm gonna live. I'm gonna live. I have a child. I'm gonna live. I wanna live. But it was, yeah, the ride into Belize was so fast.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the situations that I put you in like chaotic. I have put you in some shit in life.
SPEAKER_02:You have put me in so much situations that are out of my comfort zone, but I'm here. I'm here to tell the tale. Okay. So Captain Dennis was like, uh, so you want to turn on those floodlights so we can see what's up? Because Natalie is deathly afraid of dark water. Why would she take off on her own? And RJ was like, nah, I don't want to bring too much attention over here.
SPEAKER_04:What?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:They're sitting a mile offshore. That's a fucking dingy now.
SPEAKER_02:Why, RJ? Why would you want to bring attention to this boat? Why wouldn't you want to bring attention to the boat that your wife is now missing from?
SPEAKER_03:Wait a minute, Lindsay. Right. You rolled your eyes before you started talking about all this. And I'm starting to learn your little mannerisms over here. Lindsay, wait a minute. I'm going to the plant. Hang on. Let me adjust.
SPEAKER_02:So I've decided that that plant is going to be called Courtney LaPlante.
SPEAKER_03:Are you kidding me, right? Yeah, that's Courtney LePlant. I'm allowed to?
SPEAKER_02:From a spirit box. Yeah. Our other one, we're going to name that one Robert Plant. That's Courtney LePlant, and that's Robert Flant. I think I've called him Robert more times than I've. Okay, whatever. But you got but you gotta tell. So I've I've I've already said that that one's a girl because she is the only one that's bloomed. She has given me a bloom. Robert over here hasn't given me zero blooms. But I thought Courtney. Courtney has bloomed.
SPEAKER_03:Courtney's blooming.
SPEAKER_02:Courtney has bloomed and she's blooming in real life. So that's Courtney.
SPEAKER_03:This is Courtney.
SPEAKER_02:That's Courtney. You're an emotional support piece Lily. We're naming her Courtney LePlant.
SPEAKER_03:Don't yell at it.
SPEAKER_02:That's Robert.
SPEAKER_03:Don't yell at Robert.
SPEAKER_02:Robert's a rebel and he doesn't want to bloom.
SPEAKER_03:He's like, I done did this. Y'all are late. Y'all late, boy. You are date.
SPEAKER_02:So now a woman named Marilyn Wayne, whose boat was anchored near the Splendor, would say that she heard a woman calling out saying, Help, I'm drowning. And she immediately, Marilyn, she immediately called Harbor Patrol, and no one answered the call.
SPEAKER_03:Harbor Patrol didn't answer the call.
SPEAKER_02:Harbor Patrol did not answer the call. So apparently there was a big party ashore, and Harbor Patrol was possibly in attendance. Now Marilyn would also say that a drunk-sounding man answered the cries of the woman saying, Hold on, we're coming to get you. And like a condescending, drunk voice.
SPEAKER_03:I'll be there when I can.
SPEAKER_02:Now, RJ, he called Harbor Patrol as well and didn't get an answer. And this was two hours later. No. And then a total of four hours later, after Natalie is found missing, he called the Coast Guard four hours later. Four. One, two, three, four. And then around 8 a.m., hold my hand.
SPEAKER_03:No, Lancy. Hold my hands. Getting over here because I know you're finna do it.
SPEAKER_02:On November 29th, Natalie's body was found in a cove near the dinghy about a mile away.
SPEAKER_03:Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch.
SPEAKER_02:She was found in her nightgown, socks, no shoes, and a quilted down jacket that had weighed her down in the water. The dinghy had not been driven. It was just floating. And it had it looked like it had been just cut from the yacht.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Somebody killed her. Just dumped her off in the middle of Catalina Island. Just in the water.
SPEAKER_02:As the oracle. In the dark water that had been literally foreseen by her mother. Now Maria thought she was the one that she was gonna drown in dark water. But it ended up being Maria.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna cry. Fuck. Pay attention to people that tell you things because there's some clairvoyant shit that fucking really does fucking happen here. There is.
SPEAKER_02:There's the other, one of the other coincidences. Yeah. Oh. Now, when an autopsy was performed, she did have a high alcohol content in her system, along with motion sickness medicine and a painkiller. And she was covered in bruises. You don't get bruises from the water.
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_02:It was presumed that she had tried to tie Prince Valiant up and fell overboard, and that the coat made her drowned. And then her death was ruled as an accidental drowning. And RJ and Christopher Walken really had nothing to say about the situation. They just told the events leading up to.
SPEAKER_03:But RJ was breaking the fucking bottles and doing shit. Right. He had the fucking built-up shit going on.
SPEAKER_02:But where were you, Chris? I love Christopher Walken, and I really don't want to think bad things about him. I'm not. But where I know. But where were you? You know you had to hear this shit. You know you had to hear these arguments. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:There had to be some fighting going on. So Dennis. He'd spill it. What the fuck? She she was abused before.
SPEAKER_02:I wanna hold on. I'm gonna, listeners, I'm gonna show Jesse a picture of Natalie Wood really quick because I know that he's he probably can't picture her.
SPEAKER_03:My speculation for sure, but I feel like you know, there was some shit going on before that, and he knew about it. He didn't spill it, dude.
SPEAKER_02:Look at her. Look at how beautiful she is.
unknown:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:I know.
SPEAKER_03:And it's still a miracle on 34th Street to me.
SPEAKER_02:I know. Just look how beautiful she is. Ugh. Okay. So Dennis Davern, the captain, he kept quiet for 10 years. And then out of nowhere, he called Natalie's sister, Lana, and told her a few more details than had been revealed in the past. He said that RJ and Natalie had argued pretty heavily in the stateroom before she disappeared. Apparently, furniture was thrown and violence ensued. It was not pretty. And he just kind of turned on some music to drown it out. Now, this was possibly the reason why she was so bruised up. I mean, she uh when I looked at the initial uh coroner's report, she had 39 bruises. You don't get that from just falling in the water.
SPEAKER_03:No, you don't. And there was some shit. I don't know how big this boat was, but fuck.
SPEAKER_02:It's a yacht. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So still.
SPEAKER_02:And before, before that, he had RJ, he had accused Chris of quote, trying to fuck his wife. Those were the words that are literally used in the situation. Now Dennis says around 11 p.m. everything went quiet after Robert screamed, get off my fucking boat. And that was it. Then they discovered Natalie was quote unquote missing. Yeah. And RJ had said leave her there and teach her a lesson.
SPEAKER_03:So we're nailing it right here.
SPEAKER_02:Now Dennis had been too scared of RJ to come forward in the past and had actually lived with him for a year after Natalie's death. RJ wanted to make sure that motherfucker was quiet. But allegedly.
SPEAKER_03:So if yeah, he he had something over top of both of them. Him and CW. He was like, no.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_03:I will end your fucking life. I will end your career.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I'm gonna talk about that in just a second, okay?
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So an intern for Dr. Nagucchi, who was coroner to the stars, he had also been the coroner for Marilyn Monroe. Dr. Naguchi. Yeah. Wow. And you know how that well, we'll talk about that in another. We're gonna that's on my list.
SPEAKER_03:There's a lot of dirt right in there.
SPEAKER_02:We're gonna talk about Marilyn later on. So the intern later said that there was bruising on Natalie that would only be there if she had been pushed off the vote. But that wasn't filed in the initial report. And when he asked why, like this intern asked Dr. Naguchi why, and he looked up and told this intern, some things are better left unsaid.
SPEAKER_03:No, it's not. That's fucking garbage.
SPEAKER_02:There was also head trauma that wasn't noted in the initial report. Now in 2011, the case was reopened after Dennis Savern publicly stated that he had lied to police during the initial investigation. He literally says that he really believes that Robert Wagner murdered Natalie. Now, whether it just be a drunken accident or on purpose, period, Dennis Savin says that RJ was the cause of Natalie's death. In 2018, RJ was named a person of interest because he was the last person to see her, and she was covered in bruises, and there had been a violent argument. But in 2022, Lieutenant Hugo Reyena announced that all leads have been exhausted and that the case remains open but unsolved. Now Christopher Walken was ruled not a suspect right off the rip and really hasn't spoken of much since, other than there was a Playboy article that he did where he did say that he believed that the dinghy, Prince Valiant, was knocking up against the boat and it was near Natalie's room to where she could hear it, and that was disturbing her sleep, and that he felt like she had maybe tried to go cut it or move it and maybe fell overboard. Come on, dude.
SPEAKER_03:It sounds like a bullshit story.
SPEAKER_02:But at the same time, why wouldn't she just have Dennis do it? The captain. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Who knew how to deal with that shit? That's exactly what I would have done too, being in that position, be like, hey, uh, this needs to be fixed. We're paying you to do this, fix it, right?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, another mystery is Christopher Walken was married at that time, and he's still married to that same woman named Georgiane Walken, and they have been married since 1969. And she is a casting director and an actress who had a small role in the movie Brainstorm that he was gonna star in. He did he did star in that role, like they did finish production of that movie.
SPEAKER_03:And it was just like it was setting up everything.
SPEAKER_02:Well, Lana, her younger sister, stood in for the few parts that needed to be filled after she passed away.
SPEAKER_04:Wow.
SPEAKER_02:So it's a mystery why she wasn't out on the Splendor with Natalie and RJ. Like that's that's a complete mystery. That we'll probably never know.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like everybody was just moving forward and they were gonna hide it so they could further their careers and Hollywood debacley. You know, that's what I feel like. And they didn't give a fuck about a human life.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's what I'm saying. I need to know why. Yeah. There was a four-hour period before the Coast Guard was called. I know Harbor Patrol didn't answer, they didn't answer the Maryland lady or RJ's call. But why was there another two hours after that before the Coast Guard was called? Come on. Now RJ's in his 90s now. We'll probably never know unless he does a deathbed confession. And I I love you, Christopher Walken. But come on, if you know anything, come forward. I feel like he knows. Please come forward and say it's been too long. You're old enough now. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Not that you weren't old enough then, you should have fucking manned up. I mean, fuck the career and the shit, dude. Do what's right.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I mean, Christopher Walken's only 78. So, I mean, he's quite a bit younger than RJ. Yeah, but still, this is so I mean, no wonder why RJ was intimidated.
SPEAKER_03:But Christopher Walken put himself in that situation. He showed up to the little party boat and he did his shit. And no one knew there was some tension, though. He probably knew there was some tension. I don't know if it was, you know, was fueled or whatever, but the first sign was lashing out and doing some crazy fucking jaw-dropping moments with breaking shit. And then it's like, you know, you break shit, break shit.
SPEAKER_02:Well, he was arguing with RJ about Natalie's career because RJ was like, nah, she's a mother now. She needs to be a mother, she needs to stay at home. Shut the fuck up, RJ. But at that time period, all men were like that. And unfortunately, that's just the way it was. But I just don't understand. There's no way. I don't I I I've never been on a yacht, but I've been on a cruise. I don't understand how you could just go to bed and not hear this argument.
SPEAKER_03:That's what I said. I don't know how big the boat is. One or two hundred foot, you know? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:And I I don't know. I just, I mean, I really, I really believe that even if it wasn't on purpose or premeditated, I believe that Robert Wagner was definitely responsible for Natalie's death. I feel like that. There's no way the I mean, she she said in an inter okay, not only did her mother instill that fear of water in her, she said it on an interview. Like nobody believes that Natalie Wood would have gone anywhere near that dinghy without assistance. Right.
SPEAKER_03:And this was all this was all documented beforehand. Right. And then it actually came to clairvoyance. Wow. Yeah, but don't put yourself in that situation as at the beginning. Like, if he feels like there's some dirt, you know, go and figure it out for yourself and then handle that in a healthy way.
SPEAKER_02:Well, there was even rumors that Natalie was going to take Prince Valiant, the dinghy, to shore and and and party hop. She was in a nightgown and socks.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_02:She's not going to party in a nightgown and socks. A Hollywood starlet that's been a star since she was a child. No. No. Like, because I mean, the book that I uh the audio book that I listened to called Natalie Wood, The Complete Biography by Suzanne Feinstead. And it's read by Rose McGowan, by the way.
SPEAKER_03:Rose McGowan?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:From Rose McGowan. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Rose McGowan? Maylon Manson's ex-wife. Really? Yeah. What? Yeah. It's read by her. Very intriguing. Very good book. If you want to deep dive into Natalie Wood's entire everything, listen to this book. It's amazing. But this book says that she would not leave her house without being fully made up because she knew like paparazzi and peep things like that would be.
SPEAKER_03:She's not going to show up to a party unless it's burned and prepared for.
SPEAKER_02:She wasn't going to be party hopping in her nightgown and socks.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. She had no shoes on. Yeah, completely star that was put out, right?
SPEAKER_02:She was thrown off that boat.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Beaten and thrown off the boat.
SPEAKER_02:RJ, come on out. Come on out and say it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:We're waiting on Christopher Walken or RJ, somebody. I really don't think Christopher Walken had anything to do with it. And I don't think that Dennis had anything to do with it. And I believe that Dennis was just like terrified of what Robert Wagner could do to him.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And you feel like Wagner can really fuck up your career. So you're trying to hang on to that maybe after Wagner dies.
SPEAKER_02:And maybe, yeah. Yeah. You know what? Because a lot of shit will come out. I mean, look at what we found out about Michael Jackson after he passed away.
SPEAKER_03:I know. And I feel like, you know, honestly, holding on to that for your career come up at this point and your age, fuck that, dude. You should have, I mean, you should have said fuck it to begin with and been a stand-up person and really.
SPEAKER_02:And I'm really mad because I love number two.
unknown:I love that.
SPEAKER_03:He was a number two, I guess. He was a number two.
SPEAKER_02:But you know what? At the same time, Rob Lowe's version of number two is way cooler than Robert Wagner's.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, well, we're changing the game.
SPEAKER_02:I was about to say, our son is still obsessed with the Austin Power movies right now. He is re-watching them. I mean, he can quote everything. And I'm like, and it just makes him so much more happy, happier that Mike Myers also did Shrek and Wayne's World. And just like, I love because Mike Myers is wholesome as hell.
SPEAKER_03:You can quote every bit of a we can. Gen Z World, we got it. I did that shit on a hook the other night, last night. I did it. I was like, I was saying the words before they came out. I was like, they're fake. I couldn't help it. I don't know why I couldn't help it, but DNA, right?
SPEAKER_02:But fuck, dude. Austin Powers, like all of them, especially The Spy Who Shagged Me, and then Goldmember, I think. Goldmember is my absolute favorite. Are you kidding me? You know what's crazy too is because I love Goldmember is my favorite of the Austin Powers franchise. And Shrek 4 is my favorite Shrek of the that franchise. Like I love the I don't know what it is, but his last ones are the tits. Are the tits. Now I know we got Shrek 5 coming up, but Shrek 4 and Austin Powers 3, those are my favorite. But I still want more. I still want more.
SPEAKER_03:We want more. Yeah. We want it so much.
SPEAKER_02:But I mean, there is certain things about all of them that I love so much. But those two are top-notch. But we're gonna go back to this because this was an absolute travesty, you know, and and even little Courtney, like their daughter together, Robert Wagner's and Natalie Wood's daughter together, like she's on her father's side, but there's just no other explanation. Like Natalie had too much fear of water to go anywhere near it. I can know that she's and she knew she could call up Dennis and be like, hey, help me. Even if what Christopher Walken said was true, that the dinghy beating against the boat was bothering her, she would have called Dennis. She wouldn't have tried to do that on her own. No.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, they're spending the money. He's the captain, they're paying for it.
SPEAKER_02:He straight up says Dennis. Now he's got a book too out called, and I haven't had time to read this one because I was listening to the other one. So he has a book out that I am going to visit. It's called Goodbye Natalie, Goodbye Splendor. And that's his telling of everything that I have not explored yet. So maybe, listeners, we can uh listen or read that one together. I'm gonna listen if you guys want to read. Absolutely. I don't have time to sit and read. I have to listen so I can be productive at the same time.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. But wouldn't that be cool to do like an a live audiobook? Like we should do book club. No, you can do that. I think you can do that and get away with it, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03:We should set a date for that one.
SPEAKER_02:But the Natalie Wood biography by Suzanne Feinstead is amazing. Like it will have you because it talks about all her involvement with all of these old Hollywood stars that we all know about. And some of them had no business hanging out with this young girl. Like Dirt. Like Frank Sinatra.
SPEAKER_03:Like he had no business hanging out with fucking Frankie right in front of me. And even speaking of fucking Frankie, there's a fuck Frankie song that Marilyn Manson did on Smells Like Children. Isn't that crazy? Wow. Fuck Frankie. Yeah, it smells like a circle. Nasty one. It's really nasty.
SPEAKER_02:So uh that is my coverage on Natalie Wood. Oh. Wasn't that a good story, though? You know, for our Thanksgiving weekend.
SPEAKER_03:So much dirt. Oh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:We're gonna cover some more in the future for sure. They're on my list.
SPEAKER_03:That's why Marilyn wrote that song, Marilyn Manson. Because of the fuck the fuck Frankie song. I mean, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:And it's crazy that Rose McGowan narrated this book.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. Maybe we're coming up with discovery.
SPEAKER_02:I need to make a whole uh playlist of all the audiobooks that I have read throughout or have listened to throughout my journey here. We need to do that for our like hundredth episode.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But we got a while before then. That'll be season three.
SPEAKER_03:That's gonna be a Hootamaroon.
SPEAKER_02:Holy shit. We're coming. We're getting close to our 60th episode. So um yeah. This will be 58, right? This will be 58. Five eight. Wow. We got two more before 60th. So uh tell me, sir. Wow what band are you gonna plug this week? Oh shit.
SPEAKER_03:I have music. Yes. I want to play this amazing band. Holy shit. Let's see. We're going global here. We're going global. I'm so excited. I have Natty Borda from Columbia, South America. And we're finally there, right? We're finally there. Oh wow.
SPEAKER_02:It took so long to get there. We love you, South America.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, yes. And I love this song.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you for finally tuning in.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02:You are our last continent. I know we're there to be to have listeners in, and we got them.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Brought us global. This song is called No Return. So love it, share it, check it out. Here we go.
SPEAKER_00:There's no way by I will explain why I can see your eyes without thinking in our unreal bags. My heart wants to express its filling with this song. It will be the first and the last song that I write for this love. Saying thanks for all that willing. I'm not feeling fine now. I'm not feeling dark. We've been trying and trying without reaching an evil. I'll find that enough to keep up your constant disappearance. Let me without distress. One day I be ill. It's feeling with this song. It will be the first and the last song that I write for this love. Saying things for all of the years, we live. I'm not feeling by love. This is not the place where I won't stay. I'm not feeling to find now. I'm not feeling to start again. We've been trying, trying. Stop reaching an eagle.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my goodness, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_02:That was so beautiful and so sultry. And I loved it so much. So you can follow Natty Borda at Natty Borda Artist on Instagram. And uh I automatically followed her on uh Spotify as well.
SPEAKER_03:Beautiful music.
SPEAKER_02:Beautiful music, beautiful for this episode. I don't know if like some of her stuff is like Spanish or Portuguese or Spanish. So yeah, so it's in um a different language, and you can click see translation. Um her newest single, so this song is called No Return, but her newest single is called Des Pasillo, which is translated to Slow Down, and that's her newest song, and she posts that it is out on all platforms.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:And I have followed her on both of my platforms that I was that we that we play that they're making moves. Making moves. Follow them and support it. Like check out their stuff because a lot of it's diverse too. Like I was you know, my favorite is like that that Ray Tone, like that really juke and you know, you mean you work out to that stuff.
SPEAKER_02:I know I didn't manifest them enough to be at Rockville, but we're gonna catch them, we're gonna see them in the future. Yeah. So I mean, honestly, like, oh, we're gonna, we're gonna at the first of the year, we're gonna do, you know, our countdown to Rockville. I mean, so far, like my manifestation powers have really come through. Like, we got Parkway Drive, we got Lamb of God, we got Lorna Shore, Slaughter to Prevail.
SPEAKER_03:Which is a different whole genre from this, you know, but like Absolutely. We love reggaeton, though. I mean, I love reggaeton, and I just love this style of music, and it's the the diverse style of we love all kinds of music, and I'm so glad to just put this out here. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_02:I love it. So amazing.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, and you know, you know, I fell in love with you because you used to love Zumba. You still love it. I still love it, and that music I just don't get an opportunity to go anywhere because I do work nights. We get some Latin music on a cruise ship, man. You get oh, we get down. We probably don't look that cool at our age anymore.
SPEAKER_02:It doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter. We're still gonna juke. We're gonna juke.
SPEAKER_03:You know, people would be like, getting it, getting it, you know. And I remember one time I was we was juking on a cruise ship and people people were like yelling at me, like, get it, boy, get it. And I was all getting it.
SPEAKER_02:Get it white, boy.
SPEAKER_03:And then then somebody started yelling, don't get it. No, you're done getting it. I was like, They did not. Yeah, they did. And I was like, I'm not done, but I still want to keep going.
SPEAKER_02:Well, but on that, on that particular cruise, we had an amazing cruise director named Cam. Oh, yeah. And he like, we were we were having the time of our lives. Like, literally.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I don't know. Literally. We're ever gonna bring any bad vibes on a post.
SPEAKER_01:Now I have you. The time of my life.
SPEAKER_03:In the middle of that cruise ship, when everybody was yelling, it was like 5,000 people, and they they did the songs and the the whole collaboration.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, listeners, let me know. If you want me to share the videos, follow us on Instagram, and I will share the videos of the what was it, like three or four floors of people singing.
SPEAKER_03:I just want to do this. 80s music for your podcast. I want to do this for your for everything and for our crews because I didn't do this yet, and I want to do this. Okay. I just want to do this. Those memories right there. Yeah. And your story right here. Ooh. But the music that we just shared, I love it.
SPEAKER_02:But hashtag justice for Natalie Wood. Justice for Natalie Wood. Let's figure out. Let's okay, so you got RJ, Christopher Walken.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Nobody can make me hate you, but please come forward and say what really happened. Come on, man. It's been long enough.
SPEAKER_03:And Nattie Borda like follow and love her music because it is lovable.
SPEAKER_02:But the number 43 I wanted you to pay attention to was she started acting in 43 and she died at the age of 43.
SPEAKER_01:What? Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:Lancy.
SPEAKER_03:That's our age right now. Yeah, but we didn't have any oracles or any.
SPEAKER_02:No, but Jesse and I are literally 43 right now, and that was just really crazy to me. And she started acting in 1943. At the peak of her life, she had kids and everything, and just the things, you know, it was like her youngest daughter was only like seven years old.
unknown:Wow.
SPEAKER_03:And she probably wanted to portray the acting career and everything. I mean, that's all she knew. That's really all she knew. Miracle on 43.
SPEAKER_02:Robert Wagner, I know you're old as shit right now.
SPEAKER_03:Tell it.
SPEAKER_02:Why were you such a fucking jealous adult?
SPEAKER_03:I feel like there's a vein.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, there's a vein pop popping out.
SPEAKER_03:We're gonna watch Miracle on 21st Street. 34th. 34th. We're gonna watch the miracle.
SPEAKER_02:We always do. We do every year. We watch both of them. We love them both.
SPEAKER_03:34th Street. Why am I so fucked? Oh, this is the it's the mojito.
SPEAKER_02:And yeah. Was it Mara Wilson uh who played Matilda and she played in the second, the reboot of that movie? Yeah. And I mean, she has some she has some crazy shit in her. I mean, she was a child star also, which is also ironic to me, you know. So we may cover her later on as well.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I don't want to. No.
SPEAKER_03:I don't want you to tell me any more.
SPEAKER_02:There's a few child stars that we're gonna cover. You and you we both know about one from uh All Dogs in Heaven. All dogs go to heaven. We talked about that one before. Yeah, we're gonna talk about her later on.
SPEAKER_03:Lindsay?
SPEAKER_02:That one's gonna be a short one.
SPEAKER_03:Did you put me you just you just keep breaking me fucking down over here? You're breaking me down, bud.
SPEAKER_02:Like it's like I know that we enjoy, you know, uh these child actors, but what they go through or what they went through, and I hope that they have a better, I hope that there's a better system involved now.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like that it's it's healthier now because everything is out here way more. And if if if a if a child feels like that there's so much it's in their hands, they can just blast, you know?
SPEAKER_02:And if you're a parent out there who wants to live vicariously through your child, don't.
SPEAKER_03:No, don't you know maybe my son is playing guitar and all that stuff, but I don't push anything on him. No, you didn't at all. And you had at one point Well, I vibe off of what he wants to do.
SPEAKER_02:You had at one point said that you won't really wanted him to, but at the same time, as he grew, and you just kind of we just kind of introduce things to him and have let him come to us and be like, hey, I want to do this.
SPEAKER_03:Help him harness those things, but like he does want to perform because we'll have a little gathering or something over here. He's like, dude, I can want to play this, I'm gonna play a guitar set or something to everybody. And then he's like, No, I don't want you to tell me to do that. I'm like, Silas, you're the one that stopped the whole party and wanted to do this on your own. So that's all.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, literally, we cannot have a party over here without our kid being like, All right, I'm bringing my amp and my guitar out here. Y'all shut up.
SPEAKER_03:Center of attention. Yeah, it's it's it's Silas World. That's what we actually say. We actually hold wait a minute. We have to have a Silas show. Yeah. So Lindsay, that was amazing. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you for plugging Natty. Yeah. And that was a great song.
SPEAKER_03:Great story, too, though. Great artist. I hate the story. Uh is fucking here you go again. You got me over here, just you got me.
SPEAKER_02:Like I said, hashtag justice for Natalie Wood, because there really hasn't been thus far.
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