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EPISODE 61: THE LAWSON FAMILY

Jendsey Season 2 Episode 61

A raisin-topped Christmas cake, a formal family photo, and a North Carolina farmhouse in 1929—this story sounds like fiction until the facts line up. We start warm and human with holiday traditions, grandkid adventures, and the kind of music memories that glue families together. Then we trace the Lawson family case step by step, from sharecropping roots and a puzzling December shopping spree to the devastating sequence on Christmas Day and the ritual staging that followed. It’s a tough listen, handled with care, because the questions it raises are bigger than a single crime.

We unpack the most credible theories with clear-eyed context. Did a head injury alter Charles Lawson’s temperament in ways 1920s medicine couldn’t detect? Did incest and a suspected pregnancy drive a catastrophic attempt to erase shame and evidence? Was the lone surviving son spared because he could resist? Along the way we examine how communities metabolize horror—through macabre tourism, murder ballads by the Carolina Buddies and Dr. Ralph Stanley, and ghost lore that insists snow won’t settle on the killer’s grave. Folklore doesn’t solve crimes, but it reveals how people reach for order when reality refuses to make sense.

This conversation also shines a light on what to do now. Head injuries deserve immediate evaluation. Family secrets that endanger kids demand action, documentation, and support. Memory—whether told in plain speech or carried in song—can be a safeguard when we choose to learn from it. We close with a fresh music feature from Good Boy as a palate cleanser and a reminder that art can hold space for hard truths without letting them have the last word.

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AS ALWAYS D-A-S

SPEAKER_02:

Hey Jesse. Hey Lindsay. What are you drinking today? You handed me a vista bae, so I'm gonna roll with that. It is a passion fruit because you don't like them and I do. What are you drinking over there, Miss Lindsay?

SPEAKER_00:

I have a natural lime vista bae.

SPEAKER_02:

It's festive, actually. These are called festive vista bays on this one.

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I forgot to do my intro.

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Oh yeah?

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Have your soul. Ooh. A merry little Christmas.

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I will.

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Let your heart be. Is it glad? Light or is it glad or light? Fuck. I think it's light. I love you guys. Merry Christmas.

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My troubles will be out of sight.

SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to our very special release of our Christmas episode. So this will be out on Christmas. We will not have a Friday episode because it's out today. Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas.

SPEAKER_02:

We're here.

SPEAKER_00:

We're here. And uh we're gonna go ahead and roll our intro and get going.

SPEAKER_02:

Intro rolling. Well, okay, but I'm not ready to roll it.

SPEAKER_00:

Hold on. Let's roll the intro and then we'll get going. But I wasn't ready to roll it. Okay, go. What do you want? What's up? But now I'm ready to roll it. Okay, happy Friday. Happy Thursday. Thursday. Merry Christmas.

SPEAKER_02:

Easy now. What? I didn't find something cool.

SPEAKER_00:

You can no longer say that you hate that song.

SPEAKER_02:

You know, we just talked about that. No, no, no, no. We literally heard it together while we were looking up, we were looking at Christmas lights, and it came on, and I was like, I'm gonna ride the wave.

SPEAKER_00:

So uh we are actually recording this on Saturday, December 20th. Um, but it is coming to you on Thursday, December 25th. Happy fucking Christmas. Merry fucking Christmas. Um we last night. Last night on the 19th, Jesse and I had three of our Ford grandbabies. And we went out and we took them to, well, we tried to take them to see Santa Claus, but uh he was already done by seven o'clock.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow, that's they roll up the sidewalks in Lake City, Florida at fucking dark.

SPEAKER_00:

So we went around and we drove around and looked at Christmas lights, and we We heard the song. We heard the song.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

As soon as I heard Jesse's like, no. And I was like, This is it. We gotta let it roll. We gotta let the grandbabies have an opinion of their own. Of uh I'm not gonna push it on them.

SPEAKER_02:

They're not gonna be nostalgic and historical unless it just plays when we have to Christmas music, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So we took them around to see Christmas lights, took them to our local park, tried to see Santa, but Santa was hard to do.

SPEAKER_02:

There was a whole little festival going on downtown, and Santa was nowhere to be found. He's he he's he's dancing right now. You know that? He is dancing on the North Pole right now.

SPEAKER_00:

But anyway, so we got them pizza, brought them home, we made cookies for Santa, and we gave them a bath and watched Muppet Christmas Carol Muppet Christmas Carol yet again.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it was good. We got it always. We gotta take it in every time, every chance we get.

SPEAKER_00:

There goes Mr. Humphrey.

SPEAKER_02:

There goes Mr. Grimm. Yeah. So, anyways, I love it. I'm I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to our very special Christmas episode. Jesse, you have this enormous list of the question that you know I'm gonna ask you. What made you feel old this week? It's gonna be a minute. Jesse's gonna talk.

SPEAKER_02:

Do your thing. Can I trauma dump on this thing?

SPEAKER_00:

Trauma dump.

SPEAKER_02:

Merry Christmas. It's not so much of a trauma dump, a little bit of a trauma dump, but I just wanted to kind of bring into to light my uh because you you you you make a personal comment when you ask me how old I am.

SPEAKER_00:

So what makes you feel old, not how old you are.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, well, how old I am makes me feel old because I just turned 44, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00:

Just turned 44.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, so 28 years ago.

SPEAKER_00:

Ooh. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh I was hanging out with one of my lifetime besties, Todd Bryant, and Linnea Eden. You know, I love our little group. We had like uh, it was like three dudes and a chick that just hung out, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

Linnea is the only one that I haven't met of the of your OG friend group. I think maybe-ish. Maybe is she the one that gave me free soda at Pizza Hut when I went to pick up our Pizza Hut order?

SPEAKER_02:

Don't rem no. No, I don't think so. Okay, no. Um we were at a doctor's office or a hospital or something, and she came and hung out by us while I was waiting or something one time. I don't remember. No, no, she hasn't came around. I don't think no, maybe not. Okay, so I haven't met her at all.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02:

No, no, so but anyhow, 28 years ago, Lindsay. I was hanging out with my crew entangled in the microphone crew. Yeah, the old school crew. I loved it that time. That was great, right? We did we did movie nights, and we would go and rent from Blockbuster, like horror like franchise movies, and we would just go watch that all weekend long while we partook in whatever alcohol or whatever.

SPEAKER_00:

We talked about this in one of our TikTok live. So we had attempted two weeks ago to do a TikTok live along with a recap and it didn't work out.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So I apologize to those of you who enjoy our recaps. Uh, but it was on TikTok live. So make sure you join us on TikTok Liv at um drink about something underscore Lindsay on TikTok. Yeah, check it out, check it out, check it out. So trauma dumb, I'm not done.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm not done. I'm not done. I got it. Keep going, keep going. Plug in, plug in. 30 years. That was 28 years ago. I'm going 30 now, okay? 30 years ago, I used to go to Pow Wow's with Amanda. Yes, Bessie. And I think we brought it all the way back to 32 years that we've been hanging out. So that made me feel old too, right? I'm grouping all my old all together in one big old thing. It's not trauma on that part, as as as it was all amazing. The whole crew was amazing. My childhood was obviously different. Uh, because we would we would go and do cultural events and be part of and just you know, we grew up. We grew up in a weird way that nobody else really kind of did. You know, I would just do my my school and on the weekends we would just go and hang out and camp and and the the community was it was great. It was it was really fun. Love love Amanda still to death. She's one she's my oldest best friend.

SPEAKER_00:

And by the way, I just want to let every one of our listeners know that I am 190% okay with Jesse having a female best friend. She loves me, I love her. Yeah. She actually said in Jesse's birthday post that I hope your day is as awesome as your wife is. And I was like, I love you so much. I love her, she loves me. Everything is copacetic, everything is platonic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

There's nothing weird that's we're just I have a male best friend. Yeah, there was nothing weird. And you have a male best friend where there was nothing weird either. Nothing weird ever. Yeah, we just did our things and we just grew up, you know. And that contrast was was healthy. It was it was nothing other than just being around other people.

SPEAKER_00:

Males and females, no matter what anybody thinks, can have platonic relationships. Yeah, and we're trying to put that out there.

SPEAKER_02:

We never slip off and do anything personal, so it's nothing weird like that. We enjoy the inclusiveness of just being us as what we were, is as becoming friends. This is all we are.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh just real quick recap. Jesse and Amanda, they we've started this annual thing where they now get uh tattoos.

SPEAKER_02:

Jess Manda Day.

SPEAKER_00:

Jess Manda Day. Yeah. And I enjoy it so much because they both get tattoos, and this is our second annual one that we just had last weekend, and it was great. Amanda got um her the herring, herring bird. Her tattoo is so beautiful.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm jealous. No, mine is amazing too, because Lizzie bit me.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, I got to be a part of Dusty's tattoo. So it was a bite. So I did a bite mark on him, and the uh the whole tattoo is like an infectious bite, and he's going to add to it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it's on the socials, so you can you can watch the progression. I think next year I'm just gonna be like, just blast some more infection.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, we'll share it, we'll share it again on Christmas. Yeah, share it again. Um, your finished healed product. We need to take a picture of that now because it is is amazing. And he's gonna add to it over the next few years.

SPEAKER_02:

So I'm not done though. No, I got more. Got more, got more of life, and it's not I I said trauma dump earlier, but it's not really trauma, it's just life. 32 years ago. Because I I have to I I've just turned 44, so I'm putting it all together right now.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, take it, take it, take it, go it.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, 32 years ago. Uh, was watching Buddy and Aaron and Frog and the band. It they were I'm trying to think of the name of them now. Blind Rage. Okay. Watching them and falling in love with playing guitar 30 or two years ago. 32 years ago.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

That made me taking that in. Right. I really did. I fell in love with the guitar. I just I wanted to be that too. I wanted to be like, dude, I can play this. I want to do this. I want to, I want to do, I want to be that person, you know. So, you know, Frog and the the guys from the band, they took the time and they taught me guitar. They taught me a power chord, and that's the only thing, the only guitar lesson that I've ever been taught, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, let's elaborate on these characters real quick. So, Buddy and Aaron, um, they are still friends with Jesse to this day, as well as Frog. Frog is actually uh once removed brother-in-law. Yeah. And um Fam, if you will. Buddy is still a friend. Aaron is an ex-bandmate from a band that Jesse was in called All In, who we everybody is copasthetic, everybody is still friends. It just, we all went in uh different directions of life. So that's why that band is no longer.

SPEAKER_02:

But two of those guys are still playing music. I love it.

SPEAKER_00:

Songs that came from All In are some of my favorite songs of all time till this day.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I have it tattooed on my arm. It was a great adventure. I love it.

SPEAKER_00:

It was a great adventure. It was uh so I met Jesse when he was in the throes of All In, and we had some great times in that band.

SPEAKER_02:

We played with Seven Dust with him.

SPEAKER_00:

Seven Dust, Butcher Babies. Uh, who else?

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, Saving Abel. Saving Abel.

SPEAKER_00:

This is some VPE several times.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Smile Empty Soul.

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Smile Empty Soul. You know, our band actually.

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We sold more tickets than Smile Empty Soul that night.

SPEAKER_00:

You did. Oh my god. I was pregnant with our child.

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That was great.

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There was this velvet couch. It was a couch with blue velvet material. And I was very pregnant with our child, Silas. And I took a little nap on that couch.

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Brewster's Megaplex.

SPEAKER_00:

At Brewster's Megaplex.

SPEAKER_02:

That's almost, you know, that's most almost as iconic as saying the milk bar. Yeah. In Jacksonville, Florida. Jacksonville, Florida. Brewster's. That was the tits, you know. And I want to go back 37 years ago. Almost died.

SPEAKER_00:

What?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

This is before I knew Jesse, by the way.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I'm gonna skip one. I'm skipping one.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

37 years ago almost died from pneumonia.

SPEAKER_00:

Really?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Viral pneumonia almost died.

SPEAKER_00:

Jesse is 44. So how old were you?

SPEAKER_02:

Um, six, seven. Stop it. Whatever. Whoa. 38 years ago, we had a big winter when I was living in Appalachia. And I had a huge cut that almost bled out from. I didn't even know because my little leg, my little three, four-year-old leg or whatever. I don't know how old it was. Maybe five. I cut my leg and didn't even feel it because it was cold. And I took my boot off, right? And it was full of blood. I'd cut it playing out in three foot of snow and cut it on some metal somewhere.

SPEAKER_00:

And that was in Appalachia, because we don't have three feet of snow in Northeast. Northeastern Kentucky.

SPEAKER_02:

It was a big, it was a it was a big winter that year.

SPEAKER_00:

Paintsville. I have been to Paintsville with Jesse. Um I remember being like the time was an unfortunate one because it was the passing of his grandmother, but that's the coldest weather I've been in thus far.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. It even took you to Butcher Holler. That was cool, right? Where Loretta Lynn.

SPEAKER_00:

I got to see where Loretta Lynn lived, and it was insane. And we almost fell. Like I hollers are crazy.

SPEAKER_02:

Hollers are crazy. And you're allowed to say holler because you want to keep that tradition going. That's old English. You don't want to strip that away. People think that people from Appalachia were.

SPEAKER_00:

When I posted that, like I literally had.

SPEAKER_02:

They're just talking old English.

SPEAKER_00:

Because I have a public profile, and I literally had people ask me, What were you doing in the hauler? Like it was a tragedy. Yeah. But they wanted to show me all of the good points of his hometown and home area.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. My DNA, right?

SPEAKER_00:

And there's even history of the Meads, which we do cover in a previous episode.

SPEAKER_02:

I went to Meade Memorial School.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. So Meade Memorial is an origin of a cult that lived in this town.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. So moved from Appalachia, northeastern Kentucky, down to North Florida, and some of the same heritage came from the same place.

SPEAKER_00:

It's a circle. It's a circle.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow. Oh my goodness. So in all the history, I have one more I'm going to dump on you that I can remember. 39 years ago, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't want to do the math right now. I'm drunk.

SPEAKER_02:

39 years ago. Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

BT Dubs, we have already um recorded a recap and a TikTok live, and we have been drinking.

SPEAKER_02:

We've been doing things. It's been a great day.

SPEAKER_00:

I took Jesse to get a pedicure today. And he's just so happy. He loved it so much.

SPEAKER_02:

I clouded up on the way there.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. So we get in the car because I had to tell him where we were going because he was driving. And I was like, I'm taking you to get a pedicure.

SPEAKER_02:

I got a weird way about my like stoic, unemotional face and my reactions for some reason. I don't understand it, but I treat, I try to keep telling me. They look very stoic.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Lindsay's like, why the fuck are you showing like different the right correct emotions? I'm like, well, inside and it's all happening. But but out here, sometimes I'm weird. I don't know why. It's just me. I don't know why. There's the me that Lindsay has to deal with. But 39 years ago, Lindsay. What'd you do? The first Christmas memory that I remember. We were obviously completely poverty struck and poor as fuck. And I had acquired from probably a public giveaway type Christmas situation where they were giving out something to unfortunate kids and things, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Like an angel tree situation?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, yeah, you go and you kind of choice for tots or whatever. So um we went to town and and I got a gift given to me, and it was it was still wrapped up, but it was a boys' gift. Megatron. It was the big one. No, it wasn't Megatron. Optimus Prime. It was Optimus Prime doll. You remember the big one back in the 80s, right? Yeah. It was probably two foot tall, big, huge plastic thing. Open it up for Christmas, right? Christmas morning. We had a pot belly stove with coal in it. We that's what warmed the house. That's so fucking wild to me. This remanufactured chicken coop that had, you know, I grew up really poor.

SPEAKER_00:

Um For context, Jesse literally lived in a chicken coop that was turned into living quarters. Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

We had like three light bulbs, and we got our water from a well and we had an outhouse. But um I put it on that potbelly stove because mom said Oh, I know this story. Mom said, Y'all come on in here and get something for to eat for Christmas. It was Christmas morning. I just set it on there and just went on in there. Oh, yeah. And I'm gonna cry. My Optimus Prime was completely melded on top of that potbelly stove. That was my Christmas gift that year. That's my trauma dump right there. That made me feel old. 39 years ago, Lindsay has a story, and I want her to tell it because I'm clouded up right now about history. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm not even gonna talk about what made me feel old this week. You're not? No, the only thing that really made me feel old was so I'm cackling because I'm crying at the same time right now. Yeah, Jesse laughs when he cries. It's very weird. But it's how he deals with the weird emotions, Lizzie. You should know it by now. Um so what made me feel old was that um number one, Rob Reiner. He he left this world this past week.

SPEAKER_01:

All right.

SPEAKER_00:

And uh Rob Reiner was a big deal for me because I grew up watching All in the Family with my granny, who passed away three years ago this year, on Silas's birthday.

SPEAKER_02:

Tear jerking all around here.

SPEAKER_00:

So I watched All in the Family with my granny. That was one of our shows that we watched together, and that I later watched on my own when it was on Nick at Nights. Um, when my oldest child was firstborn and I was married to my ex-husband, he worked a night shift. So, and my my baby, which is my oldest son now, he's 24, he had his days and nights mixed up because of that, and so I would watch a lot of Nick at Night. And um, All in the Family was on Nick at Night, um, along with like I Love Lucy and all those old school shows. But Rob Reiner passed away, and his wife, unfortunately, they were both murdered by what is in the news right now. We will probably cover this full story this time next year.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh, when we get all the details, but Rob Reiner, as far as the news goes right now, was murdered by his own son.

SPEAKER_02:

Um yeah, so far that's that's the news. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Just now happened.

SPEAKER_00:

And other than All in the Family, uh, Rob Reiner was in one of my favorite movies and that I don't even know the name of, so that makes me feel old. But it's with him and Bruce Willis and Michelle Pfeiffer. And he's in that. And then also when David Spade, his whole um reign of Hollywood, you know, how he kind of blew up and he was in everything. He was in this movie called Dickie Roberts.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay. Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

And he was trying to get into a Rob Reiner film in the movie. And Rob Reiner was like, Well, I don't really think that you had an actual childhood because Dickie Roberts is about how child stars don't really have a childhood. So they don't know how to relate to a childhood because they were actors, which is so deep, if you really think about it. It's horrifically deep. We've talked about this. We have talked about it. And um Rob Reiner has just been a big part of my life, though I didn't shed tears for him like I have with like Robin Williams and Chris Cornell. But Rob and Rob Reiner, so Jesse and I were literally headed back to Lake City from Orlando from a ginger trivium concert, which uh the opening band was Harriet. And that was a great, it was a great night. Yeah. Um, I'm trying to stay awake while Jesse drives us home. And I'm like, Jesse, Rob Reiner's just been killed. And then I'm watching, I'm literally watching it unfold on social media as it happens. And um, then it says that Rob Reiner and his wife have been killed. Then it was like, okay, so now the so then it was like two people were killed in Rob Reiner's house. And then by the next morning, that I I wake up and it was basically Rob Reiner and his wife were murdered, and his son had been arrested and booked on charges of their murder. And that was that was wild. That was wild. And that just really made me feel all first of all that I know who Rob Reiner is, because like my my my 12-year-old that's walking through my kitchen right now, he doesn't know who Rob Reiner is. And Rob Reiner's been around for a very, very long time. Amazing actor, director, and part of our DNA. Yeah. Part of our DNA. Yeah. And there's been some really shit scrutiny about that. And I'm not even gonna talk about it because I don't want to get political, but you guys know. And let's just say that I'm very disappointed in certain leaders of this country. But that's all we're gonna say about that. And with that being said, I first heard about this story that I'm gonna talk about today on an episode of Disgraceland. And it was the B story of their episode on a member of Derek and the Dominoes. Remember the other night when you said Derek and the Dominoes just out of nowhere, and I was like, I I gasped. I gusped. The gasp that I gusped.

SPEAKER_02:

What are you fixing to drop on me right now? Easy now. What?

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, so this episode has nothing to do with Derek and the Dominoes, but the first time that I heard the story that I'm going to talk about was the B story of Derek and the Dominoes by Disgraceland. Definitely go look up Disgraceland, listen to that episode. And I really thought that this story was from a fictional novel.

SPEAKER_02:

That's so close to like Johnny Rockets. Didn't we have a Johnny Rockets here?

SPEAKER_00:

What was the uh what was the famous dude that We did have a Johnny Rockets restaurant? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. What was the famous dude? It wasn't Derek and the Domino's, though.

SPEAKER_00:

Rockin' Robbins. We had a Rockin' Robbins. That's what we had. Not Derek and the Dominoes. We had a Rockin' Robbins.

SPEAKER_02:

Is that what we had?

SPEAKER_00:

Rockin' Robbins. Rock Robinson.

SPEAKER_02:

Who was the famous dude that lives here? Or did live in here? I don't think he's still here.

SPEAKER_00:

The guy from Haley and the Comets.

SPEAKER_02:

Haley in the Comments.

SPEAKER_00:

So that's he had a thrift store here.

SPEAKER_02:

Victor's store, secondhand rose. A restaurant, though. What was the name of the restaurant?

SPEAKER_00:

Rockin' Robbins. That's what I literally just said.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

That was so we had a 50 themes or 60 themes. Was it it was it was somewhere in that time period. 5060s themes, yeah. We had a themed restaurant.

SPEAKER_02:

He was one of the singers that sung with yeah. Oh wow. That's just kind of hit, it kind of hit me like that.

SPEAKER_00:

But, anyways, yeah. When I listened to Disgraceland's coverage of Derek and the Dominoes, their B story was about this family. And I thought for sure that it was a fictional law, a fictional novel until I looked it up. And uh it's actually true. What? So today we are drinking about the Lawson family. And the matriarch of the Lawson family was Charles Lawson, and he was born May 10th, 1886. Wow. In Lawsonville, North Carolina.

SPEAKER_02:

The family area.

SPEAKER_00:

And his family were sharecroppers. And I didn't know what that was, so I gave it a goog. And it says that sharecropping is a system where a landowner allows a tenant to plant crops, and then the owner takes a percentage of the tenant's profits of those crops. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Somebody has a land.

SPEAKER_00:

I didn't know what a sharecropper was.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, somebody has the land and they're letting you use it and they get something out of it.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So Charles goes on to marry Fanny Manning in 1911, and they just pop, they just start popping out like all these babies. They go on to have Marie, Arthur William, Carrie, Maybelle, James, Raymond, and Mary Lou all by 1929. Yes, that is eight children.

SPEAKER_02:

Whoa, whoa. You know, my father was the youngest of nine. I know.

SPEAKER_00:

And we are going to cover a huge story about what your father went through later on down the road. Um, but unfortunately, in 1920, they lost little William to an alien, uh, to an illness that was uh pneumonia. I um I previously wrote I think was pneumonia, and then I double checked instead, it was definitely pneumonia.

SPEAKER_02:

Almost lost me to pneumonia.

SPEAKER_00:

I know. Wow.

SPEAKER_02:

That's wild. Did not know this.

SPEAKER_00:

Now they were described as a well-off farming family, but by 1929, the nation was going through a huge depression. So when Charles took the family to town for new clothes and family photos, there was a lot of raised eyebrows. Like, what you doing, bro? Why are you spending all this money? You got money. We in a depression. Right. Yeah. Now Charles seemed to be an okay type man and father, but it's reported that um at some point he had suffered from a head injury that would result in him becoming more short-tempered and more erratic than he had been previously to this head injury. Now, I don't think that we've talked a whole lot about head injuries in other cases, other than Danny Rowling. I know that we talked about it in that one. But head injuries can alter a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I'm gonna just state this briefly. I am a survivor of domestic violence. I've talked about this a few times in previous episodes, and the domestic violence that was uh bestowed upon me did um include hedge injuries, and I do believe that it made me a different person for some time. Wow. So I can relate to this, and if it goes untreated and uncounseled, there can be some horrific consequences down the road. Damn it, Lindsay. So um after Little William passed, um, the family sharecropped a tobacco farm in Germantown, also in North Carolina, until 1927. And then they saved enough money to buy their own tobacco farm on Brook Cove Road, and that was still in Germantown. Um, like I said, they were they were described as a well-off family. So two weeks before Christmas, the family went on a shopping spree and got a family photo in Winston Salem. At the time of the photo, Charles, he was 43, Fanny was 37. Yes, she had had eight children by 37. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

That's a lot of work.

SPEAKER_00:

It's a lot of work. Uh so Marie, she was 17, Arthur was 16, Carrie was 12, Maybelle was seven, James was four, Raymond was two, and little baby Mary Lou was around four months old.

SPEAKER_02:

My God, I couldn't even keep up with the names. Exactly. Ma and Paul Kettle over here.

SPEAKER_00:

It reminds me of like the Waltons, and this story is nothing.

SPEAKER_02:

Did you ever watch Ma and Paul Kettle?

SPEAKER_00:

No, I didn't watch Ma and Ma Kettle.

SPEAKER_02:

Ma never even remembered her kids' names.

SPEAKER_00:

That's right. I do remember that.

SPEAKER_02:

Paul's just sitting on the on the porch, like, whatever.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. And didn't they get like um at some point in that show? Didn't they get like sponsored because they were such a large family and they got introduced into this modernity? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She didn't know how to work the shit. I remember that.

SPEAKER_02:

This makes you feel that's old black and white stuff, like Andy Griffith's. Oh my god. And Paul's like, I'll get to it one of these days. And he's like, shit's falling apart everywhere, and there's kids running everywhere. He knows all their names, though. Right. Ma, she's just busy. Just a busy ass woman, just trying to be mom. She don't care.

SPEAKER_00:

Where's your phone, Chessie? Mine's on charge because we did a whole TikTok live. Oh, yeah, mine's on charge. Okay. So make sure you follow us at Drink About Something on Instagram. So I'm gonna post a photo of this family's photo.

SPEAKER_02:

Um is this an inspiration for Mom Pa Cal and you're gonna be able to do that? No inspiration. It sounds like it so far. Please know. Something's not right. Something's not right. Something's not right.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. So on Christmas morning, it's Christmas morning, they open their gifts, and the kids go to play. And Fanny, the mother, she got to cooking and she made a Christmas cake that had raisins on top, and she set it on the family table. You know, because usually when you're gonna make a cake, that's the first thing you get out of the way. It's gotta cool, it's gotta do its thing.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, you gotta make sure everybody doesn't bump anything and knock it down or whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So just remember the raisins, okay?

SPEAKER_02:

The raisins.

SPEAKER_00:

Remember the raisins. And uh then she continued to cook the rest of Christmas dinner. Now, Charles, he goes to Arthur and he says, Hey son, now I'm paraphrasing here, okay? Uh, just so everybody knows that, because we've gotten a couple of negative things and I'm just paraphrasing. He says, Hey son, I need you to go into town and get some bullets because we're out. And if you want to go rabbit hunting later, because Arthur did, he wanted to go rabbit hunting, we're gonna need those bullets. So Arthur, he takes off to town, which is this is still, you know, I don't know if he had a car, I don't know if he had to take a horse, or I don't know if he had to go on foot. Because we're in 1929. Lots of depression. Okay. Arthur takes off to town. Charles, he goes to the barn. Carrie and Maybelle, they were setting out to go to their uncle and aunt's house as they were passing by the barn. Are you ready? I need you to hold my hand because I'm not even I'm not even ready.

SPEAKER_02:

You're painting a weird picture here, and I don't want to know, I don't want to be part of this.

SPEAKER_00:

Hold my hand. Hold my hand.

SPEAKER_02:

Lindsay, when you tell me these things, when you tell me these things, hold hold my hands.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm not ready, and I definitely know you're not ready because you don't know, and I know. Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00:

So as Carrie and Maybelle were passing by the barn, Charles shot them both with a 12-gauge shotgun. And then he bludgeoned them to ensure that they were dead and placed their bodies in the barn. Now, by this time, Fanny, his wife of 18 years, was out on the porch after hearing gunshots, and then he shot her. And after their mother was shot, Marie screamed. This is the oldest girl. Marie screamed from inside the house. And James and Raymond, who were two and four, they went to find a hiding spot. Charles went into the house and shot his 17-year-old daughter. And then he found his two little sons and shot them both. He then went back in the house where he killed his four-month-old baby with his bare hands.

SPEAKER_02:

And you're holding my hand right now.

SPEAKER_00:

I am, I'm holding your hand because this is hard for me. And I already know.

SPEAKER_02:

The plant is better than this because you're you keep talking while you're holding your hand. The plant doesn't talk, it doesn't tell me these things over here when I'm at the plant. But you're holding my hand, you're like, let me hold your hand, I'm gonna hold your hand. And you're telling this, what Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00:

And then he lined up all of his murdered children and wife, crossed their arms, and placed rocks under their heads, and took off to the woods. A little while later, Charles' brother Elijah and his sons, or his son, not sons, just singular, they were the first ones to discover the bodies and alerted authorities. While the authorities were present, they heard a single gunshot from the woods. Charles Lawson had taken his own life. He had been pacing back and forth. Well, actually, he had been pacing in a circle because it was snowing and the pattern in the snow was like a circle.

SPEAKER_02:

These are no pretty mountains or pretty little clouds that you're paying over here.

SPEAKER_00:

This is not cool. And he had been doing this for some time, and before his suicide, he had attempted to write two different notes, and they were unfinished, and these notes were to his parents. Now, Arthur, the boy that he had sent off to buy bullets, telling him a lie, saying that they didn't have any ammunition. Arthur found out about his family's annihilation while he was in the street. He's the lone survivor. He's the lone survivor. Arthur found out about this while he was still in town.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow.

SPEAKER_00:

He was still there.

SPEAKER_02:

And it got to him that fast.

SPEAKER_00:

Now, when he got back, he followed detectives and the family's beagles to his father's body.

SPEAKER_02:

You're looking at me right now. What?

SPEAKER_00:

No, I'm just saying, let's take a breath and let's take a drink. Because I got to I gotta back up. I gotta back up. Oh my god, I'm out.

SPEAKER_02:

This is a horrible painting. This is I don't want this on Christmas, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, it happened on Christmas. I didn't want it on Christmas. It happened on Christmas. And you and it and you and it and it you know what's wild is Arthur the lone survivor of his family's annihilation, he died in a car accident like 15 years later.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow. But to live with that 15 years is right.

SPEAKER_00:

And he left behind, he left behind a wife with four children.

SPEAKER_02:

No, like every bit of all the aspects that you're just laying out in each spot, each step, each segment, what really went down, and then you're telling more details about what happened and folding the hands and the rocking, and then the fucking everything.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like, what the fuck? Now, unfortunately, because of the time period of this case, there is not a lot of information other than what I just shared with you guys about this case. Other than that, there's speculation and theories. So some of the theories that happened as to why Charles did this and why he spared Arthur was uh because most people think that this was clearly meditated. Like when he took them to get the family photo in the in the new clothes, he said it was for a Christmas surprise.

SPEAKER_02:

He already planned it then.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

But who he left over was who he's most proud of. I guarantee it. It was just like that's that's who I'm gonna leave behind. But but they had those struggles and all that.

SPEAKER_00:

Hold on. So one theory is that he knew Arthur would fight him. Oh. And he wouldn't be able to go through with it because I will show you a picture. Neither one of us have our phones on us right now. So when I show you the family photo, you will see that Arthur is the same size as Charles.

SPEAKER_02:

That was the only opposition he had to delete.

SPEAKER_00:

That was his opposition.

SPEAKER_02:

I thought it was a pride thing. I don't know why, but you can't have no fucking pride when you fucking kill your whole fucking family.

SPEAKER_00:

Another theory was that he wanted to carry on the family name. But back then, your family name meant everything. And it still does in a lot of cases. So you don't want your family name to be tied to family annihilation.

SPEAKER_02:

Right. Some kind of a circle there in my thoughts, but still it's fucking now.

SPEAKER_00:

The most disturbing theory, and that has been talked about the most was that Charles had been molesting his daughter Marie and that she was carrying his child.

SPEAKER_02:

No. Took out the whole fucking family because of that shit.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

That's probably the most accurate. That's yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So um it's even reported that she had shared this information with friends and or family before the annihilation.

SPEAKER_02:

Lindsay, there's points where I need to wear pearls when you tell me these stories because I have nothing to clutch right now.

SPEAKER_00:

Nothing to clutch. You got the plant. You can clutch it.

SPEAKER_02:

We're gonna put pearls, we're gonna name it. We're renaming the plant pearls. Because you hold my hand and tell me this is not fucking, it don't count. This is not cool.

SPEAKER_00:

Now it's reported that there was a family member that knew of the incest as early as 1928. And that Fanny, the mother, knew that Marie was pregnant.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. I'm leaning forward right now and looking at her.

SPEAKER_00:

And I'm gonna plug this one more time. The Disgraceland episode about Derek and the Dominoes, the B story is the Lawson Family. They do touch on a lot of those facts or speculation. Because there is a book called White Christmas, Bloody Christmas that talks about all of this, but it's not available on Audible or Spotify, so I couldn't listen because first of all, the book is hard to find. Second of all, I don't even know if you can f if you can audio listen to this story. I think that was in 1990 when this book was uh produced or written, published, published, not produced. So these are all first and second and third hand accounts of this family.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, because it all happened so fast, it was just what do you have to contrast of but there's a lot of bullshit that was going on in the family that was happening that somebody should have spoken up before it it this this this fucking this this fucking happened, this this manifestation of fuckery.

SPEAKER_00:

Now, as I previously mentioned, you know, Charles he had had a brain injury or a head injury, so his brain was tested and analyzed by John Hopkins Hospital, but at that time they did not find any abnormalities that could possibly be linked to the head injury being the cause of this terrible terrible tragedy because it was still 1929. Like science wasn't sciencing like it is now. You know what I mean? Right. So not too long after the murders, Charles' brother Marion, he decided that this would be an amazing business venture.

SPEAKER_01:

What?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and the crime scene became a tourist attraction. Here we go again, trying to get a come up over some fucking so blood was still on the porch from Fanny, and blood was still on the walls and near the fireplace from where Marie had been shot, and the Christmas cake was still on the table. People would take raisins off that cake. Remember, I told you how raisins were on the top. People were taking raisins off the cake as souvenirs before it was eventually put in a glass case.

unknown:

No.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

And uh and all that scatter gun fucking horrific shit went on in there, and they're just charging.

SPEAKER_00:

And this went on for like five years.

SPEAKER_02:

Five years, Lindsay. Five years. Come on. Lindsay. Now you can't, you can't.

SPEAKER_00:

Each tour cost about 25 cents per person, and it like I said, this went on for about five years, and eventually the Christmas cake was put in a glass case, and then after that, it was buried by an extended relative. Now I don't know if that was like symbolic because why would you bury a cake? Yeah, but yeah, so that must have been symbolic as to you know this the Christmas cake was the biggest thing I could find in this case. Wow. So I heard that um there was some recorded music that came out of this. So I searched it up, and there was a whole Lawson family murder playlist. What? But the original murder ballad was by the Carolina Buddies for Columbia Records in 1930, and then it was later covered. Jesse. Come on now. By the Stanley brothers in 1956. Jesse, your boy Ralph Stanley.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh-uh, Ralph.

SPEAKER_00:

Sang this song from Trenton. Yeah.

unknown:

Oh.

SPEAKER_00:

So I love Dr.

SPEAKER_02:

Dr. It's always Dr. Ralph Stanley, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00:

What is it? Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

It's always Dr. Stanley.

SPEAKER_00:

So um I listened to Doc and Merle Watson's cover also. As well. It's wild. So I went, I'm gonna play this for Jesse after this episode, by the way. So um there is some haunted shit behind this, okay? So there have been ghost sightings of Charles Lawson in this area, and legend has it. Okay, so they were all buried in the same area, which fucking sucks to me because Charles Lawson should have been buried way far away from his family that he murdered. Come on. But it says that leaves nor snow will fall on his grave, like it does on everybody else's, but it doesn't on his.

SPEAKER_02:

Really?

SPEAKER_00:

And that's like pure legend. I have looked it up.

SPEAKER_02:

In our next trip north, we're stopping by.

SPEAKER_00:

We gotta go to Germantown, North Carolina now for sure. Ugh. But that, ladies and gentlemen, is the tale. Well, the true story of which I thought was fictional when I first heard it.

SPEAKER_02:

This is no happy little trees. No happy fucking little flowers here.

SPEAKER_00:

The family annihilation of the lost in family. Oh my god. How do you kill a four-month-old baby? She wasn't even actually four, she was like close enough to four months, but in her like death, like they never found out if the daughter was pregnant, though. No, because autopsies in that time period, uh, because like I said, that wasn't brought to light till 1990. This happened in 1929. So autopsies back then, if it wasn't brought to light, they weren't gonna search for it.

SPEAKER_02:

Most likely scenario. Right. And removing his son because of the opposition. I think he nailed it.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. I mean, in I'm gonna make sure I say this out loud before negative comments come. In my opinion, the most that I can justify this is yes, Charles Lawson had a severe brain damage. Shot out. Um disgusting. He sent away Arthur because Arthur was big enough to fight him from completing this annihilation. And the annihilation was because this is speculation, also, but it is talked about. Um family members knew, friends knew that Marie was incestually pregnant with his child.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and that seems like the complete right scenario, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, like I said, um, I mean, it was talked about by family members in 1928 that Fanny knew of this incestual relationship with his own daughter. And I'm not gonna call it a relationship because Marie was a child and she was a minor. That's not a relationship.

SPEAKER_02:

There's no relationship there.

SPEAKER_00:

It's just fucking that is the dad being disgusting and molesting his child.

SPEAKER_02:

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

And then annihilating his whole family because of this family secret.

unknown:

Fuck.

SPEAKER_00:

Isn't that fucking terrible?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, Merry Christmas, everyone. Shit. Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00:

So, like I said, I do highly recommend you listening to Disgraceland's coverage of Derek and the Dominoes, where the Lawson family is the B story because the drummer for Derek and the Dominoes, uh, I want to say had schizophrenia um where they heard voices, which can happen after a head injury, um, which they pretty much speculate in that episode that happened to Charles Lawson. Because that makes a lot of sense. That Charles Lawson would start to hear voices. I mean, and disgracely, in period, if you love music, Jake Brennan from that from that podcast, he has a great production. Great production, and it's all music-based true crime. Yeah, and I definitely recommend that. And they're short episodes, so you can binge a lot of them very quickly and learn a lot about true crime that happens in the music world, which we are huge advocates of the music world. Um, but yeah, the production period in Disgraceland episodes are insane, and that literally inspired this episode because I didn't know that that was a true story. And I would have definitely thought that that was a fictional novel had I not just given it a simple Google search and found the rest of the information that I found on this case.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. What a hell of a fucking thing to take out your whole family.

SPEAKER_00:

Isn't it crazy? Like, I literally I can't express this enough that I thought this was a fictional story until I looked looked it up, and it is absolutely Yeah, but you got me over here, like I'm thinking, what's gonna happen next Christmas? I know. You're gonna dump on me for nothing. I'm so sorry. This was so fucking bad. I know, and you know what's crazy is I didn't even have anything lined up for Christmas. And then I went back and looked, well, then I thought of in my head, and then I looked back at my notes because I told you I have cases saved for several years. And I actually was smart enough to highlight Christmas or December.

SPEAKER_02:

I feel like you're you're attacking me.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm so sorry. I am so sorry.

SPEAKER_02:

You're out to get me.

SPEAKER_00:

So that story is over. That was the story of the lost in family.

SPEAKER_02:

For fuck's sake, Lindsay. My God. Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know if I deserve it.

SPEAKER_02:

You don't. Never.

SPEAKER_00:

Like I said, I did warn our audience and you several weeks ahead of time, saying that these December cases were gonna be horrible.

SPEAKER_02:

But you never deserve this applause.

SPEAKER_00:

Actually, I don't the only thing that I deserve is applause for is the research.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, the only there is no no there is no only on any of the applauses I've ever given you on Drink About Something. You have never deserved them.

SPEAKER_00:

You keep giving it to me.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't ask for it. Uh you know, I I kind of loaded this in here because thank you for sharing awareness of what we need to put out in the world. So fucking shit.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, thanks, Lindsay. And that's like, and that's almost almost like a ghost story.

SPEAKER_02:

Doesn't it seem like something you would tell at a campfire?

SPEAKER_00:

There's no music, there's songs about it that I'm gonna play for you because I'm sorry I had to hear it, and so do you.

SPEAKER_02:

With Ralph Stanley. With Ralph Stanley, Dr. Ralph Stanley that I have on my receipt of this fucker in our bedroom.

SPEAKER_00:

No, we love Ralph Stanley. No, no, he's not. But at the same time, murder ballads was a thing. And sorry, Old Brother, where are they?

SPEAKER_02:

Whoa, whoa, whoa, day and he also, and Man of Cons and Sorrow was written by him, also. Yeah, yeah, he sang it differently, of course, than what you know Alice. And what you hear in O Brother We're out now, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I love Alice and Krause, dude.

SPEAKER_00:

Allison Krause didn't do Man of Consensor. It was a Soggy Bottom Boys.

SPEAKER_02:

Soggy Bottom Boys did not do uh the Allison Krause song. Really? What are you talking about? It was a guitar player from Allison Krause that.

SPEAKER_00:

I know that, but their little group that they formed to produce that song for the movie was called Soggy Bottom Boys. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're we're we're we're yeah, yeah, we're both we're she was part of the Allison Krause band.

SPEAKER_02:

He, excuse me. Amazing. And Silas can play that song. Whoa. I know. Blew my mind. Blew my mind.

SPEAKER_00:

So our palette cleanser is coming.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, I can play music patrick.

SPEAKER_00:

We got a party to go to.

SPEAKER_02:

Christmas parties and parties and parties.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, we're gonna go decorate gingerbread houses. And before Jesse plugs this band called Good Boy, I want to play them. That's crazy because we've been talking about the Good Boy. The good old boy. No, we've been talking about the Good Boy seltzers.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes. For John Daly's. Ever since we got from the Hamptons. Hampton Beach.

SPEAKER_00:

So the band is called Good Boy, and the song is.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, shoot me, salute me.

SPEAKER_00:

Lindsay. Oh God. I swear to God, we don't plan this whatsoever. We're gonna reinstate that one more time. We do not plan this. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02:

But check out Good Boy. This song is called Shoot Me, Salute Me, so check this stuff out.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm excited to hear this.

SPEAKER_03:

Look, I'm on fire. Let me walk you through the repertoire. I'ma go and stick a send me. Think about making my neighborhood dangerous. By opening up the front door. I walk in the bit in a place of an awesome. Didn't know you up. Cause you gonna get a boo boo. We uncle like upoo. Thank you with a win and dry. That's good. That's good. That's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Got them like do boo. Oh, you're up. It's a beat, do beat, do beat, do me, do beat the beat, bumble away, stooping, stooping, stooping, bumble away, stooping, stooping, stooping, the beat, bumble away, stooping, do beat, the beat, do beat, the beat, bumblebee, everything has to be with break murder. I'll be on my flame burger. But now I'm on my toilet, bitch, delay money, give me a deck, delay with nobody. Oh my god, spin a chill I didn't get a ticket, take it away, put a pick and I'm gonna win a win up with a bit of winning over the twitch both of the boost working in the boost that's walking on the two of the top of the room. That's a double beast now. I am just a beach girl. Motherfucking preacher, don't have such a feature. Just coming out, just freak this little bitch.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, Lindsay. Oh, I love this so much. Yeah, I mean I love this style of music. And oh my god. Not in in in a weird, distasteful contrast. I love the music for sure. Either way, I mean, we have to put out this amazing talent.

SPEAKER_00:

Just making sure everybody knows the music is the palette cleanser at the end. It does Jesse doesn't know what I'm gonna talk about. I don't know what he what music he's gonna play. And that was freaking amazing. So we're done with the story, and now we're featuring the music.

SPEAKER_02:

I feel like you know, there's a little bit of dark humor that comes in the back side of some of these stories.

SPEAKER_00:

It's weird how sometimes the music that you produce, um some of it ties together together and we don't plan it whatsoever. I love it.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, I love being able to share the art and the music. You know, if you're gonna put something together and and you you want it out there, we're here for you. And you got good stuff, and that's good stuff. So I love it. So check out good boy, check out all their stuff. He's he's doing he's doing things. I love it.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. Yeah. So follow good boy. Check out that song. And that song once again is.

SPEAKER_02:

And then the quotations that says, salute me. Salute me. Yeah, so cool stuff. Love sharing all the talent, love sharing all the stuff, and we are gonna go do Christmas festivities.

SPEAKER_00:

Festivities! We're gonna have some brisket, we're gonna have some turkey, we're gonna have some sides and some desserts, and we're gonna have a wonderful day with our family. We hope you have a wonderful day with your family or your chosen family.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and in contrast to the story, holy shit, Lindsay.

unknown:

I know. God, I know.

SPEAKER_00:

And uh we're here for if you get a head injury, go check that shit out because we have insurance and doctors now.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

This is not 1929.

SPEAKER_02:

Let some bullshit happen in your family without getting hitting.

SPEAKER_00:

Listen, we're in 2026, so that's almost a hundred years ago. Wow. That's on Christmas. On Christmas.

SPEAKER_02:

Merry Christmas, everybody.

SPEAKER_00:

Fuck Charles Lawson. But uh, so, anyways, we do want to end this on a good and positive note. Have a wonderful holiday rest of your season. We are taking a one-week break, but we'll have some recap bullshit um uh things on YouTube. We're going to be on TikTok live on Saturday, which is drink about something underscore Lindsay. Follow us on drinkaboutsomet.site, send us a Gmail. If you have a case that you want us to talk about, like I have a list, but listeners, I will push yours towards the front towards the front.

SPEAKER_02:

Send us a well, we need to hit up Becky because I think Miss Becky from Sister Sando's has one you need to check out.

SPEAKER_00:

Come on, Becky. Let's go. Let's do this.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, we're gonna hit her up. We're gonna do some stuff. We love you so much.

SPEAKER_00:

Bye.

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