SPEAKER_00: 0:00

Hey Jesse. Hey Lindsay.

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Lindsay, how the fuck are you, Lindsay? I'm good. Yeah, Jesus Christ. What? What? What are you drinking today?

SPEAKER_00: 0:26

Mojitos. You done fucking hook me up all day long and we're riding the train. Yeah, Jesse is drinking mojitos. And earlier I had, because I said in 2026 I was gonna have more vods and less regular seltzer. So I had three vods earlier. What were they?

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Tell me all about it. What was in it? Tell me all about it.

SPEAKER_00: 0:47

So it was um lusawa vodka. Oh, yes. Our patato vodka. Um, with lemon lime seltzer water. I love them. And um some freshly squeezed lemon and lime, and it was delicious. It tasted like a sprite. It was so crisp. So crisp. Yeah. So now I have switched back to I only bought, usually I get two packs of seltzers for the weekend. I only got one. Oh, you're done, you know. Yeah, I'm cutting down on the seltzers because of the sodium. Yeah. So I got a black cherry vistabay in my in my little koozie right now that was given to me by my amazing nail tech, Nancy. Shout out, Lindsay. Oh my god.

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I love her to death, man. She is so awesome.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29

This is not drunk about something. Oh, well, I'm not raw, uncut, and unedited.

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Drink about something and I'm drinking. Shit, we were thinking or drinking. Oh, this is gonna be a rough episode. It's gonna be a good one. No, it's gonna be a good one, Lindsay. I'm ready. Are you ready? Yes, roll that intro. Fucking ready. Happy Friday. I'm cranking it up with 10 on this one.

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Ooh. Yes.

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Lindsay, if it's too loud, you're just too old.

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That is what our sticker says outside.

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Have you felt that before? Where you're like, you know what, this fucking thing's too loud. We tell our son it's too loud all the time.

SPEAKER_00: 2:27

Well, we're being considerate of our neighbors. We do live in a cul-de-sac, and our kid rocks out on his guitar every day. I know. And I'm like, we've got stick in the mud, culty ass Christian neighbors. Yeah, we live in some of them. Some of them are cool. Some of them are cool for real.

SPEAKER_03: 2:44

But I mean, I I don't really want to reach out to our neighbors. I just want to just exist in my own little world.

SPEAKER_00: 2:51

We have we have a neighbor to we're we're at the end of the coldest hack. So we have a neighbor to our left that is really cool. He like mows our yard and shit.

SPEAKER_03: 2:58

Like don't even ask. And then I'm like, I'm over here catching myself mowing his yard.

SPEAKER_00: 3:03

But he's retired and he's like Is he no? I thought he was a car salesman or something. Or did he retire? I don't know, but that man is always working. Yeah. Yeah. No, but not this time of year, because you know, we don't want to cut our grass too much right now. No, yeah. Even though we're in Florida, uh, we still get freezes. And yeah, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta let shit thrive. So um, you're on Mejatos, I'm on the black cherry. Yeah. So what you have a whole novel written here. What makes you feel old?

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I just looked over at this little thing that I wrote down here, and I'm like, I'm not ready for this, Lindsay. Just do it, just do it. Take off. Holy shit, Lindsay. We're like two sparrows in a hurricane.

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Trying to find their way. Hang on, wait, wait. With a head full of drinks. Something's in my straw, I can't drink while I'm doing it. Did you get a lemon or a lime seed in there? Lime seed? No, no. For your mint? Yeah, it's a mint. It's a mint leaf. I can't get it out. Go get another straw.

SPEAKER_03: 4:05

I give up. There's a whole mint leaf.

SPEAKER_00: 4:07

Well, you can just drink out of the cup. There's a whole mint leaf in there. You don't even have lipstick on.

SPEAKER_03: 4:11

You can just drink out of the cup. Yes, we're trying to find our way with a head full of dreams.

SPEAKER_02: 4:17

Faith can move anything. And we've heard of solar pill.

SPEAKER_00: 4:26

I mean, they heard that. I don't think we can see too much. And you know, I just so Mel, what made you go Tanya Tucker in this motherfucker?

SPEAKER_03: 4:38

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Hang on, I ain't even got my sip yet, because I had a you know, there's a whole mint leaf in my straw. Hang on, shh, shh, shh, everybody shh.

SPEAKER_00: 4:51

Quit, quit. Let me get a drink. BT dubs. If y'all ever hear Jesse say that, he is really drunk. So when he does the shh, he's gone. Don't make me laugh. Don't make me laugh, my own laugh.

SPEAKER_03: 5:10

Nobody makes me laugh my own laugh. So we've had a very eventful weekend. Yeah, but that song alone makes me feel old. And it's in my head all the time. Really? Yeah, I'm coming back to this because Tanya Tucker and this motherfucker. You know, and I live it. I have my own shirt. You don't even have your own Tanya Tucker shirt. I don't. You know what? If if you have your own Tanya Tucker shirt and you're listening to this, I want to see it because you are you're my people.

SPEAKER_00: 5:39

You know what I did get though? What? So when I was buying some of y'all's Christmas presents.

SPEAKER_03: 5:43

Oh, what?

SPEAKER_00: 5:44

I had to get some for myself. And there was a metal ass Britney Spears shirt. Oh. Fist bump over here.

SPEAKER_03: 5:51

Fist bump to Lindsay. Oh, God, Lindsay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 5:55

I haven't worn it yet. Do you?

SPEAKER_03: 5:56

I'm gonna wear it.

SPEAKER_00: 5:57

Oh, I think I might wear it next week for the next week's recap.

SPEAKER_03: 6:00

Okay, and I have more. I have more, okay? Because Tanya Tucker and this motherfucker does make me feel old. And that song being in my head all the time, dude. Like, okay, it's mostly Fridays. And then on Freeze. Hold on, I have a drink ready. You keep going. Okay, I heard a buzzer or something go off. She has drinks and on timers over here. So, but honestly, that song, Tanya, anything Tanya Tucker makes me feel old. But I live it. And mostly on Fridays. It's just like I kind of want to have you know a little party time while I'm at work, and I just play my phone over there kind of low because I'm, you know, doing my job or whatever. So I'll just be kind of cricket. And then like we need to get you some good headphones, Mr. Sandbach. No, I don't. No, I want it, I want it broadcast.

SPEAKER_00: 6:48

Oh my god, you want to be a boomer that listens to their shit.

SPEAKER_03: 6:50

It's just me and one other dude, and if I want to fuck with him, I can. Listen. Okay. I've been there for 23 years.

SPEAKER_00: 6:56

Does Cheese like this music though?

SPEAKER_03: 6:59

Yes. Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_00: 7:00

As long as he likes it, we're good. Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 7:02

Well, cheese. Cheese is his coworker. Cheese goes for 23 years. Deeper, deeper country than me. Most of the time. Wow. Yes. Okay. Okay. But anyhow, and and I'll crank some shit like that. You know, sometimes I'll crank some metal music, but it's really low. But when two sparrows in a hurricane comes on and they're trying to find their way, I'm cranking that shit. And I don't care who comes in, I'm cranking it. I don't care.

SPEAKER_00: 7:27

Well, I mean, we live in fucking redneck USA over here. So she loves him. Yeah, I was about to say anybody that works in your shop will appreciate Tanya Tucker. Yeah. Lorna Shore, maybe not.

SPEAKER_03: 7:40

You know, one of our biggest followers is uh our yard guy, Mad Dog. We call him Mad Dog.

SPEAKER_00: 7:46

Hey, Mad Dog. Thank you for your support.

SPEAKER_03: 7:50

Damn near every episode we've got. That's amazing. I love it. He comes to me and he's like telling me all kind of middle parts and stuff. And I'm like, are you really listening? Holy shit.

SPEAKER_00: 7:58

He's listening and he's containing information.

SPEAKER_03: 8:00

I'm like, oh yeah, that's that's that's amazing. Thank you so much. By the way, I need this straightened up in the back in the warehouse or something.

SPEAKER_00: 8:08

Well, finish your monologue if you've got typed out here. Because I need to talk about some shit too.

SPEAKER_03: 8:12

No, so in events of everything with Stranger Things. Oh, yeah. We brought in the whole New Year's thing, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 8:19

This oh so we you and I talked about this yesterday. But that's like first.

SPEAKER_03: 8:24

You brought this up organically before I even typed this in. Do you think Stranger Things was based off of MK Ultra?

SPEAKER_00: 8:31

Could have been. Oh, wait until I get into that. Y'all, I I I I have talked about this before. I promise I'm gonna get into MK Ultra. I don't know when, but I am. I'm getting we're gonna talk about MK Ultra. Well, that's one one reason why I wanted to watch Pineapple Express last night, and I was like, all I want to watch is the intro.

SPEAKER_03: 8:50

You think we're gonna pass it out after that. By saying this, they're gonna come take us out or what? No, I'm gonna put it in the world. MK Ultra is over. What about the the Mon talk experience that was the experiments that was happening in New York back in the 1960s through the 1980s?

SPEAKER_00: 9:08

That made me think of um making a murder anything about walk, mana to walk to walk experience. Oh, we're gonna have to cover that someday. Yeah. The mana to walk. Oh my god. Oh, Steve Avery.

SPEAKER_03: 9:22

Steve Avery.

SPEAKER_00: 9:23

Who is a piece of shit, by the way, but we do not think he's guilty. But he's not a good guy. We we know that. I just want everybody to know that we know that. We've watched the series.

SPEAKER_03: 9:33

It was kind of shady on all that. But yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_00: 9:36

But we'll cover that later on down the line.

SPEAKER_03: 9:38

But uh well, I mean, in light of all that, we understand, and I'm gonna go get my little tinfold hat and put it on.

SPEAKER_00: 9:45

But going back to Stranger Things, we did discuss last night that we don't think that that's ever been done by any series ever, to where everybody anticipated the release of a finale on New Year's Eve. It changed the way we celebrated New Year's Eve.

SPEAKER_03: 9:59

Yeah, it really did. I mean, I feel like there were a billion people saying fuck off New Year's Eve.

SPEAKER_00: 10:05

Our friends that are uh a couple years older than us and up, they went out. They went to an event here in town, and we were like, love y'all, but fuck you. We're gonna watch the finale of Stranger Things and have a fire in our backyard and have charcuterie.

SPEAKER_03: 10:21

Two out of five people were probably watching Stranger Things that know about Stranger Things.

SPEAKER_00: 10:25

Well, they're like complete Gen X. We're like elder millennials, so it's like there's a whole there's a little that's the little barrier. They're like, we're not ready.

SPEAKER_03: 10:35

They will be ready. I think they're gonna be ready. Though I think everybody's gonna be playing at least one round of G.

SPEAKER_00: 10:42

But honestly, I don't give a fuck. Nothing could have gotten me out of my house that night because I have been invested in this show for many years. I've watched these children grow up, and I we we had a great time. We had a great time on New Year's Eve. We had a New Year's Eve that we enjoyed. And we actually stayed home last year, too, because we were sick as fuck.

SPEAKER_03: 11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 11:05

We probably had COVID. We don't really know.

SPEAKER_03: 11:08

It was our and then we cried our asses off at the end of Stranger Things. So if you haven't watched any of that, time to get on it. Get on it. Holy shit. And what else you got there? That's it. That's just talking about like the whole conspiracy theory shit and me wanting to get a tinfoil hat because I'm scared. Maybe I need to get a whole little um I think I'm gonna make like a tinfoil hat that kind of looks like a whole like Captain Jack Sparrow fucking hat or something, like the big one. Hell yeah. I would do like a pirate hat after the other.

SPEAKER_00: 11:38

Are you gonna make tinfoil dreads too? Probably. Hell yeah. Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 11:45

Fucking the whole thing. So there's a lady that I started following on TikTok. Leave me alone, Lindsay. You can have this whole fucking script over here. Go ahead, shit. You're church. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00: 11:54

Yeah. Go ahead. I was gonna say, I follow a whole lady. I follow a lady on TikTok who wears her little tinfoil hat on TikTok and she talks about things that we have questioned our whole lives and answers a lot of those questions with conspiracy theories and things like that. And I'm not, I don't, I wanna say that I'm not a conspiracy theorist on a lot of things, but there are some things throughout history when I hear a theory behind it, it makes sense. Like you need my hat. Yeah, I need my hat because I know that the government hides a lot of things from us, and I don't appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03: 12:34

I don't really know anything about MKUltra. Yeah. I don't, but I just wanted to put that in our little uh preantelude thing.

SPEAKER_00: 12:44

I mean, yeah, when I get into it, you may be like, holy fuck.

SPEAKER_03: 12:47

Yeah, I mean, even my sister hit me up in the middle of the night about some shit, and I'm like, holy fuck, Lindsay. And then I hit I told you about the the things that she was telling me about. That's gonna be wild as fuck. I cannot believe that it's just how's it tie into something that everybody's gonna y'all gotta fucking hang on for that one. That's coming up, right? Well, it's gonna be a while. What?

SPEAKER_00: 13:13

Well, I've got things planned.

SPEAKER_03: 13:14

Lindsay, I'm ready already.

SPEAKER_00: 13:16

Well, we have the Jinx is January is for the Jinx, and then we have Black History Month coming up. So we're going, we're going to talk about some cases in Black History.

SPEAKER_03: 13:26

And then Are you going to Rosewood with me? We may. We may. So Lindsay, let's go.

SPEAKER_00: 13:30

But first, I gotta talk about what makes me feel old, Jesse. It's my turn.

SPEAKER_03: 13:34

Holy shit, Lindsay. I'm sorry. So I'm sorry, it took up so much time. Normally I don't take up so much time, but I had some wrote down, so it took up so much time. It's okay.

SPEAKER_00: 13:42

So I shared with you this week the the Wendy's training commercial where it was an entire rap rap about how to make their drinks. And I was like, did we just sing and rap about everything in the goddamn 90s? Like they did. Yeah. They did. And I was the 90s is a whole vibe, you guys. I mean, like, I love like I'm not one of those people that are like, nobody makes music anymore. No, there is still great music being made every day all around this country, and that's all around this globe. That's what I'm here for. And that's what what Jesse's here for is he plugs that at the end of our episode. So if you're new here, that's what we do. I tell him a true crime story, we have some drinks, and at the end, he plugs a brand new up-and-coming band with great music.

SPEAKER_03: 14:34

Some have made fame.

SPEAKER_00: 14:36

Yes, and some have made fame. And the rap music, like, okay, but that shit, just watching it, because I would have joked the fuck out to that training video.

SPEAKER_03: 14:47

It made me feel old. It was fucking fire. And I was there to watch all that. You know, and I worked at Wendy's.

SPEAKER_00: 14:57

So you because it because when I shared that video to you, you were like, Oh my god, I remembered this. I'm like, Jesse, this is a Wendy's trade uh Wendy's training video.

SPEAKER_03: 15:04

Yeah, I said I were like, well, I worked there for a month one week.

SPEAKER_00: 15:08

And I did not understand that, but whatever.

SPEAKER_03: 15:12

No, I worked there for a week and it felt like a month. And I I quit, went back to KFC where me and Lindsay worked together and didn't even know it.

SPEAKER_00: 15:21

No. Holy shit. And honestly, like 90s Wendy's was top notch, y'all. They had your regular burgers and fries. You felt kind of bougie when you went there. And then they also had a buffet. They had a nacho bar, a salad bar, and a it was like soup, salad, baked potato. You can make your own baked potato and shit with toppings. Even and then you could go sit in the sunroom and get a goddamn suntan because it was so hot.

SPEAKER_03: 15:50

Even Pizza Hut felt bougie as fuck.

SPEAKER_00: 15:52

Well, my granny would take me there. And you guys, if y'all are young and you you don't understand the 90s, I was under 12 years old. I got the whole buffet at Wendy's for 99 cents. And my granny was a senior citizen, so she also got it for 99 cents. So we ate like queens for two dollars and some change. That was what was up. Yeah, so me and my granny went to Wendy's.

SPEAKER_03: 16:19

I remember our Wendy's just, yeah, having the whole little the glass side. It still has that, but you can't. You can't, it's fucking yeah, you can't. It's not it's not the vibe that it was. Yeah. I missed that. What the fuck? I want that. I need that. Let's go to that.

SPEAKER_00: 16:35

Wendy's was like fine dining and shit back then. You felt bougie as fuck when you're going to Wendy's. Yeah, so fine dining when we were growing up was Wendy's, Red Lobster, Olive Garden. Pizza Hut when you had full buck day. That was a night out with the fam, yo.

SPEAKER_03: 16:53

Yeah, red lobster. Who the fuck can afford that back then?

SPEAKER_00: 16:56

My family, my mom, we had to go once a month for my mother. Like really? Yeah, she had to have her cheddarbay biscuits and her shrimp scampy, yeah. My poor ass. Well, my family had money, but they lived very frugal. Look at you. I thought we were poor. Look at you. So this is how I found out we weren't poor. I was I was in a youth group through the church, and they were gonna go to what was called uh night of joy at Disney World.

SPEAKER_03: 17:25

I heard about that.

SPEAKER_00: 17:26

And the youth pastor was like, if you can't afford it, raise your hands. And I raised my hand because I thought we were poor.

SPEAKER_03: 17:35

And your parents were like disgusting.

SPEAKER_00: 17:37

The youth pastor knew my ma and pa. They knew you had some arcum. And they looked money. They looked, I remember the youth pastor looking at me like, what? But I thought we were poor because we had we my mom made me buy thrift store clothes.

SPEAKER_03: 17:53

And cut your hair at home.

SPEAKER_00: 17:54

Cut my cut my hair at the house and we lived in a mobile home. Shit. But I did not know that we have money, and my parents were just cheap.

SPEAKER_03: 18:05

Is that your last name? Are you sure about your last name?

SPEAKER_00: 18:08

But yeah, y'all, y'all had me all fucked up on. We know what you are that night when we got in the car to go home, because of course my youth pastor had a sidebar conversation with my parents, and my dad was like, Don't you ever raise your hand and say we can't afford something again. And I was like, I didn't know. That was an awakening for his ass. And then he looked at my mom and said, Don't you ever make her buy clothes from the goodwill again for a thrift store.

SPEAKER_03: 18:39

So I just gave a big cheers to Lindsay because she growed up right then. She growed up.

SPEAKER_00: 18:46

Yeah. And I got to go together. With my parents' money.

SPEAKER_03: 18:49

Oh, yes. You knew, you knew. Girl, tell your fucking story on this podcast, girl.

SPEAKER_00: 18:57

Yeah. So what we are drinking about today is part two of Robert Durst, aka the Jink. So last week we dove into the background of Bob and talked about how he was traumatized by his mother's death, his strained relationship with his father, Seymour, and his brother Douglas, and that toxic relationship. And then also his toxic, abusive relationship with his wife, Kathy. With his wife. Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 19:33

Does that make sense? I'm not ready, dude. I'm not ready still.

SPEAKER_00: 19:37

Bob was jealous of Kathy's friends and family. So she sought out a divorce lawyer and wanted a settlement. And then on January 31st of 1982, Kathy disappears. Yeah, that's I wasn't quite born yet. That is the year of my birth, but I wasn't quite born yet. You were you were a brand new baby.

SPEAKER_03: 19:58

I was a brand new baby.

SPEAKER_00: 19:59

You're a brand new baby. Be born on December 16th, 1981.

SPEAKER_03: 20:02

Now I need no mojitos to take on the second part of this saga of fucking fuckery.

SPEAKER_00: 20:09

Well, they had been on vacation in South Salem. And then according to Bob, Kathy went back to Manhattan after a fight, but she was never heard from again. Now Bob had also had affairs, and one was with Prudence Pharaoh. And you got to go back to part one if you don't know who Prudence Pharaoh is, and we explain all of that. But when Bob even thought, like it wasn't even a thing, but when he thought that Kathy was having an affair with someone, he beat the shit out of that guy. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 20:46

And also, I did not be Forrest Gump when he shows up. Upon further hanging out.

SPEAKER_00: 20:52

Upon further investigation, uh upon further research, excuse me, not investigation, because I'm not an investigator. I just I Google things. Um, Bob had actually made Kathy have an abortion. Remember, I said that he didn't want a family? So she got pregnant and he was pissed the fuck off and made her have an abortion and told her that if she kept the baby, she would lose him. Another red flag to divorce, another red flag to egg to that castle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 21:24

You like my castle, though. I do. It was in a beautiful castle. It's like King's Landing.

SPEAKER_00: 21:31

Now, before Kathy's disappearance, she had obtained some information that would be quite embarrassing to the entire family, but mostly Bob. And the uh she threatened to leak that information to the higher-ups in the Durst organization because it wasn't just ran by uh Seymour. Like he had a board member. You know, he had board members that ran that company. And she threatened to leak that information. Bob found out about it. And uh she had related to her friend Gilberta. I did not specify this in part one because I said Gilbert and Jamie, but this is a lady and her name is Gilberta. He had uh Kathy had related to Gilberta that if anything happened to her, to please have Bob investigated.

SPEAKER_03: 22:27

So you're building a bigger salad than I thought.

SPEAKER_00: 22:30

I'm building a mystery. Oh God. On February 4th, 1982, Bob uh reported Kathy missing. Now, this was several days after she this was four days at four days later. And he reported her missing to Detective Michael Struck, who would be on the case. Bob said that sometimes he wouldn't hear from her for days when she was doing clinicals. And when he reported her missing, he he seemed to be very stoic, not very upset about the situation. Just kind of like, hey, my life's missing. This is Bob Nurse. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 23:13

Uh just a plain thumb out, fucking scripted fucking response. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 23:20

The doorman of their building claimed to have seen her on February 1st, but that ended up being not a lie, but he was mistaken. So the dean of the school that Kathy was going to, um, where she was, you know, trying to acquire her pediatrics degree, she he got a call that Kathy had diarrhea. How personal is that? Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 23:50

I mean, I was over here holding up peace signs because my stepson left. Sorry, I was I was doing something different, but I was listening at the same time because I got these whole uh headphone things in, and I'm drunk as fuck. I mean, uh, we're good. I mean, yeah, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 24:06

So the dean got a call that Kathy had diarrhea and wasn't gonna make it in that day. Now, of course, her family and friends were like, um, this is suspicious as fuck. Yeah. Because Bob's abusive and he's an asshole. And I'm sure that Bob picked up on that right away. So he hired a private investigator to I'm holding up my quotation fingers, find Kathy, okay?

SPEAKER_03: 24:33

Which is looks the same that I was holding up for your stepson when he left.

SPEAKER_00: 24:38

It's for my stepson, you mean the son that I grew in my belly and had my C section.

SPEAKER_03: 24:44

And I was holding up peace signs to him, and you're holding up quotations over here. So I was just like, we're peace out, like, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 24:52

Once again, Jesse has been drinking heavily this afternoon. Yeah. We had a busy day. So today we had we had renovations for our bathroom. Um, I made a breakfast for everybody. Then we put away all of our Christmas decorations. Yeah, this is a family fucking affair. And we took we took this whole, we went into this whole deep dive through Disney movies.

SPEAKER_03: 25:16

We we did.

SPEAKER_00: 25:17

So we watched Ferngully.

SPEAKER_03: 25:19

We this should have been at the beginning of this, but we're in the middle of this.

SPEAKER_00: 25:23

And now we're gonna take a break. I've got everything recorded. So the little the little papa on ferngolly, the little papa fairy, I was like, god damn, that voice sounds familiar. And I was like, and he looks like the Sultan on Aladdin.

SPEAKER_03: 25:37

Isn't it?

SPEAKER_00: 25:38

Guess what? Same voice. And we that's also the Santa Claus in Ernest.

SPEAKER_03: 25:43

We wrote a whole trifecta of holy shittery. That should have made you feel old. I never did ask you what you mean. Feel old, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00: 25:53

Jesse, I already said it. You did the Wendy's commercial.

SPEAKER_03: 25:56

The Windsy, that made you feel old. I mean The Windsor. The Windsies. All right, leave me alone, Lindsay. You need a cracker.

SPEAKER_00: 26:03

Oh my god, we haven't eaten yet. Our dinner's on the grill right now.

SPEAKER_03: 26:06

Lindsay, quiet, quiet.

SPEAKER_00: 26:08

But yeah, so that was another thing that made us feel old. We went through a whole fucking.

SPEAKER_03: 26:14

I remember. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00: 26:15

That's okay. Okay. So we watched Ferngully, we watched Aladdin, and then we watched Aladdin part three because you know Robin Williams isn't part, doesn't Robin Williams isn't in part two.

SPEAKER_03: 26:26

Part two is doo-doo.

SPEAKER_00: 26:27

I mean, it's it's good, but it doesn't have Robin Williams.

SPEAKER_03: 26:30

So you skip, you skip two. Why? I mean, I I get it. I get it. We didn't have time. Well, I understand why, but Ferngoli, you gotta start at Ferngoli. Who the fuck is old enough? I mean, well, yeah, yeah, I'm with you, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00: 26:45

But we also realized that uh Ferngoli and I'm a little hootamaroo over here. Go ahead, but Ferngoli and Aladdin came out in the same year. So Robin Williams and Busy. The guy that plays uh the Papa the Papa Fairy and um and The Sultan is the same guy, and that movie came out in the same year. Yeah, yeah, they were busy, and they were busy.

SPEAKER_03: 27:08

Like he was in the Ernest movie for fucking like the Christmas, Ernest, Christmas. His name is hold on, Douglas Seal.

SPEAKER_00: 27:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 27:18

And his little saved Christmas.

SPEAKER_00: 27:20

If you look up the cast on those movies, uh his picture is him as the Santa with Ernest, with um with Jim Varney. Jim Varney. Oh god, my heart. That's our childhood in a nutshell, literally.

SPEAKER_03: 27:35

If you love Jim Varney, tell us. I want to know. Yeah, comment. I want to know your deep emotional connection to Jim Varney. Because it is the mom at Jim Varney when he does the grandma, whatever.

SPEAKER_00: 27:52

The double chin with the neck brace. The neck brace. God, that was my favorite shit. Where's Martin? Where's Martin? Where's Martin? Let's go, dude. Okay, so back to Bob. Okay, so this story became very popular in the media. And uh several, several uh journalists wanted to interview Bob. So Susan Berman became like his spokesperson. You know, that's his best friend. And she was a journalist herself. Well, she wasn't fucking around with. No, no, no, no, not at all. Um, but that was his bestie, and so she became like his spokesperson. And then after a few months, he just stopped taking any calls. Um, he stopped uh interacting with the public. He even stopped returning the calls to the investigator. He stopped going to work, and people that he was friends with stopped hearing from him. He just kind of fell off, except for his friendship with Susan Berman.

SPEAKER_03: 28:58

Right. It showed all the shadiness, though.

SPEAKER_00: 29:01

Now, Kathy's friends, Gilberta Najami and Eleanor Schrank, they were very close with her, and they were like, nah, something's not jiving here. There was abuse in this relationship, and they were not quiet, and they needed answers. I mean, they needed answers as to what happened to their friend, but unfortunately, they just hit dead end after dead end, and the case would end up going cold. Mm-mm. Bob would officially divorce Kathy several years later, claiming spousal abandonment.

SPEAKER_03: 29:39

You're building more on top of the castle.

SPEAKER_00: 29:42

Girl, I haven't even gotten to the climax.

SPEAKER_03: 29:46

There's a big ass fucking whole ass King's Landing full of castles that you've built right here.

SPEAKER_00: 29:53

Now, since Bob didn't have a good work ethic and he had quite a bit of scandal in his life, Seymour decided that the company should not be left in his hands. And he was the oldest, so that was basically like his quote unquote birthright. But he's getting rolled out. So Seymour decided, Seymour and the higher-ups in the rest of the Durst organization decided to give it to Douglas.

SPEAKER_04: 30:18

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_00: 30:19

Because I mean, to be honest, he deserved it. He did the work, he showed up, and he put his all into the company. So, of course, this pissed Bob off, and he quit the company and cut off all communication with the family. And this is around 1992, okay? This is 10 years after Kathy's disappearance. So we should know about all this because this is 90s. We don't I do know all about this. I mean, you don't mean me. This was a very popular case. Fuck. Lindsay, I don't know fuck about it. But you don't know anything about it. So it like I said, once again, if you're new here, I dump off a case to Jesse that is usually very popular. But he's shit. Jesse doesn't know. You don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 31:05

I have no idea, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00: 31:07

Now Bob would go in between Texas, Connecticut, and Manhattan, just moving around as he pleased. In 1995, Seymour was on his deathbed. Now Bob would go to the hospital and see him, but only when he knew the rest of the family wasn't around. That's it. Like that's how fucking pissy he was still about not getting the, you know, the rights to the company. Right.

SPEAKER_03: 31:37

I feel like Robert Plant over here is looking pretty sad because I I've been I've been Well, I switched them out.

SPEAKER_00: 31:43

Usually we've got Courtney over there. We have two peace lilies, and I have named them Robert Plant and Courtney LePlant. Uh I think I fucked up Reefs over here. You better leave Robert into the plant right now.

SPEAKER_03: 31:58

That's why I'm over here looking at Robert and Robin.

SPEAKER_00: 32:01

And he said, You need coolant. I got coolant.

SPEAKER_03: 32:06

I'm pivoting. I'm pivoting the plant. So he's he's he's looking sad on two parts, dude. I'm sorry about Robert.

SPEAKER_02: 32:17

When when see sorry, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00: 32:20

When Seymour passed away, Bob wouldn't even go to his funeral.

SPEAKER_03: 32:25

Didn't go to daddy's funeral. I did. You shifted me from Robert to this. And I'm over here feeling bad about Robert.

SPEAKER_00: 32:32

He didn't fucking go to his fucking funeral. Bob, yeah. So Bob Durst, we're talking about, and then we have Robert Plant is our piece lily.

SPEAKER_03: 32:42

Which is the plant that I go to whenever I need to.

SPEAKER_00: 32:44

I'm gonna give you my hello.

SPEAKER_03: 32:46

Yeah. And you know, uh any, you know, I just I have to point toward this plant while we're doing this podcast because I turn away from Lindsay because she's fixing to drop shit. And there's already shit being dropped.

SPEAKER_00: 33:02

He didn't go to his dad's fucking funeral. No. And like I said before, the only person in Bob's life that he the only person in Bob's life that he didn't cut off completely at some point or another was Susan Berman. He and Susan, like I said before, had met at UCLA and had may remained close friends for decades. Kathy had even been jealous of their relationship. Now I talked about her family's mob connections in the first part. And I also did not mention, now I said that her and Bob became close friends, and that is because in the first part I said that her and her father had a difficult relationship, but actually they didn't have a relationship at all because she had lost both of her parents in a very young age, and that's how her and Bob connected because Bob had lost his mother, and then Susan had lost both her parents.

SPEAKER_03: 33:59

That's a big ass salad.

SPEAKER_00: 34:00

Very big salad. So Susan, she she led a different life. She became a novelist and had written two memoirs talking about her childhood as a mobster's daughter, and she had written a college guidebook. And um the one that she the memoir that she wrote about being a mobster's daughter was called Easy Street. And there was talk about uh this book being turned into a movie, but it didn't happen. And the book sales weren't as good as she had hoped. And her career also consisted of writing for the San Francisco Examiner, City Magazine, Westinghouse Evening Show, The People Show, uh uh New York magazine, Cosmopolitan, and Family Circle. And she even wrote for an AE documentary and won an award for that. Holy shit. Yeah. Susan was doing the work.

SPEAKER_03: 35:02

You're getting in.

SPEAKER_00: 35:03

She married a man named Christopher. Oh my god, I'm gonna butcher this last name, Marguelis. I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_03: 35:12

Marguelis. No, this is even better.

SPEAKER_00: 35:14

Uh, in 1984 and helped raise his children until he died of a heroin overdose. Now, these uh these kids loved her so much that uh her and her husband, her and their dad, had actually split up before his overdose death, and they wanted to stay with Susan. That's how much these kids loved her. Okay. And Bob would even be friendly with the oldest son, the oldest kid in that from that relationship, and like pay for his college tuition and shit. Yeah, but that's later on down the road from this.

SPEAKER_03: 35:54

He's really paying in a whole lot to his bestie over here.

SPEAKER_00: 35:59

They were really close. Like when you look at pictures of Bob Durst, you see like her in the background. Well, and also, and you see this man that just has these, like, he looks um what is described as like a a librarian, but he looks dead.

SPEAKER_03: 36:17

What I can't wait to see.

SPEAKER_00: 36:19

His eyes look dead as fuck. Really? Come on. I cannot believe he didn't sure.

SPEAKER_03: 36:23

Don't show me yet. Why? Until we're done with this whole thing. All right, all right, show me yet. We have one more fucking episode to come. Yeah. And I don't want to know fuck. I really don't. I really don't.

SPEAKER_00: 36:36

Now, later on, uh, Susan would develop something like agoraphobia, which is where you don't really want to leave the house. Yeah, fear.

SPEAKER_03: 36:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 36:46

And um, she would nail the window shut and bolt the doors like at all times when she was at home. And she didn't get out much. And her talks and visits with Bob were growing further and further apart, mostly because of him being hard to get a hold of. Now remember, children, this was way before smartphones and even really before good cell phones were in were in production. I feel like our listeners aren't children, though. Well, you never know.

SPEAKER_03: 37:20

Remember it.

SPEAKER_00: 37:21

I'm talking, I mean, Gen Z listeners, I mean, they're they're in their 20s now. They can listen to this. Actually, like some of them are like almost 30.

SPEAKER_03: 37:29

To us, they're yeah, yeah. But I mean, everyone. It was yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 37:34

Now in the late 90s, Susan was living in Beverly Hills and she was struggling financially. She was borrowing money from friends and drove an 84-model car that would just catch on fire at random. What? Yeah. Fucking old ass car just burning blaze. Now, sometime in early 2000, she reached out to Bob to see if he could help her get a new car. She asked to borrow$7,000. And then there was just silence for a few months. And uh then one day in November of 2000, she received a check for$25,000. Oh. And a note that said, This is not a loan. This is a gift. You can always count on me. Damn. So she was super happy. She got her a new car, she paid some other bills because she was like behind on mortgage and all. I mean, she was lit, she was suffering financially. Yeah, when you're trying to live in Beverly Hill. Right. That's where I wanna be. A lot of her projects weren't taking off like she had thought they were.

SPEAKER_03: 38:49

Yeah. Her book sales weren't profitable. Yeah, they come to that area thinking they have something.

SPEAKER_00: 38:54

Well, she had already lived there for most of her life. I told you he met her at UCLA. He did. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 39:00

That's right. Fuck. Now, here we're getting serious. Okay, I'm on a shut up.

SPEAKER_00: 39:08

Fast forward to December 24th, Christmas Eve of 2000. One of Susan's neighbors called the police, reporting that Susan's door was wide open and one of her dogs were loose.

SPEAKER_03: 39:22

Lindsay, you've dropped so many Christmas fucking stories on me over the last few months.

unknown: 39:26

Fuck!

SPEAKER_00: 39:28

Now, this was strange to them because they knew that Susan always kept her doors closed and bolted. When police arrived, they found that Susan had been shot execution style with one bullet to the back of her head, and she was lying in a pool of dried blood. Now, this seemed to be a professional type killing, possibly a mob hit. Now, like all her stuff was still there, there was no forced entry. So definitely not a robbery. But then at the same time, um, mob hits weren't really a thing anymore. This is 2000. And Susan's dad had been dead for years. Like he died in 1957. Okay. Now, even though she wanted to talk about her life as a mobster's daughter, they were like, hmm, I don't know. And then, mysteriously, the Beverly Hills Police received an anonymous letter that was dated December 23rd. And it was addressed to the Beverly Hills Police Department with Susan's address and or Susan's address and the word cadaver. The note literally said Susan's address and then the word cadaver.

SPEAKER_03: 40:55

I just want to explode right now. I want to explode so bad. Now Beverly. Dumped it on me, girl. Lindsay. You dumped it. Not even close to being done. Wait, wait, wait. Fuck.

SPEAKER_00: 41:07

Beverly was misspelled uh with an extra E, which they would find out that her very best friend, Robert Durst, who was the main suspect in his wife's disappearance in 1982, also misspelled Beverly in this exact same way.

SPEAKER_03: 41:27

The double E.

SPEAKER_00: 41:28

Yes. E. Now, Bob, when question was like, no, I know nothing. But guess what?

SPEAKER_03: 41:38

Well, we're not guessing, but we know.

SPEAKER_00: 41:41

It just a few weeks before her death, New York detectives had contacted Susan to talk with her about Kathleen's disappearance because the case had just been reopened by a woman named Janine Shapiro or Janine, oh fuck. I done forgot her name. Uh, about this woman, a district attorney, who was trying to come up in her career. And she's like, you know what? We need to solve Kathleen Durst's case. So we're gonna reopen it. And we're gonna contact Susan Berman.

SPEAKER_03: 42:17

I love how you grab your phone when you're trying to fucking figure something out.

SPEAKER_00: 42:22

And now, and now Susan Berman is fucking dead.

SPEAKER_03: 42:25

I yeah, and just all over me.

SPEAKER_00: 42:31

Now, at that time, there wasn't any hard evidence against Bob about Susan Berman's death. And uh, so he just decided to move to Galveston, Texas. But before Susan's murder, Bob married a woman named Deborah. Oh my god, Chatterin? Chardon?

SPEAKER_03: 42:53

No, it's perfect.

SPEAKER_00: 42:54

We're gonna call her Debbie.

SPEAKER_03: 42:55

Yeah, he married Debbie. It's perfect.

SPEAKER_00: 42:57

Um, but they would never actually live together as husband and wife. Shit. Now his sister Wendy would say that it was a marriage of convenience. He wanted Debbie to receive his inheritance because he planned to end his own life.

SPEAKER_03: 43:16

It was a setup. Everything seems to be let's keep going.

SPEAKER_00: 43:24

Fuck, Lindsay. It gets worse.

unknown: 43:27

Fuck.

SPEAKER_00: 43:28

So Bob goes into hiding and he disguises himself as a woman. What the fuck, Lindsay? Named Dorothy Siner.

SPEAKER_03: 43:38

You're dropping bombs over here, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00: 43:40

Who his landlord would describe as a nice middle-aged lady whose brother-in-law had made all the business dealings over the phone because Dorothy was mute.

unknown: 43:56

What?

SPEAKER_00: 43:57

Yeah. So he's disguised himself as a middle-aged woman who is mute.

SPEAKER_03: 44:02

This is a hell of a twist.

SPEAKER_00: 44:03

Right. So Bob, disguised as Dorothy, moves in across the hall from 71-year-old curmudgeon named Morris Black.

SPEAKER_03: 44:18

We don't know anything about curmudgeons over here. We don't know curmudgeons.

SPEAKER_00: 44:23

So Bob and Morris became friends, and I'm not sure if Morris learned of uh the ruse, you know, his disguise or whatnot. But they were buds nonetheless. Morris had had a small criminal background. And like I said, he was a cranky old man. He also liked he did he protested. He was very vocal. Oh, curmudgeon. He people didn't like him. He wasn't a well-liked dude. Okay. Asshole. Yes. Uh in January of 2001, even though he was a curmudgeon and a cranky old man, he started um to collaborate with this homeless shelter called the Jesse Tree. You fucking kidding me, Lindsay, right now. Absolutely not. Not my tree. So he collaborates with this organization and he begins buying cheap glasses in bulk and he hands them out to the needy. Glasses? Which is very nice. Yeah, eyeglasses. Like eyeglasses. Like prescription eyeglasses. You can't see without his glasses. So when my kids were younger and I was a single mom, um, I, if I needed help with their glasses, uh, because all three of my older boys wore glasses at one point, um, I could call the Lions Club and they would sponsor one pair of glasses per year.

SPEAKER_03: 45:48

You didn't hit up the Jesse Tree. No, well, that was their version of the Lions Club.

SPEAKER_00: 45:54

Right. Now, one Friday in August of that year, this is 2001, Morris approached Ted Hanley, who ran the Jesse Tree, and told him that he knew of a wealthy investor that could help him purchase some property or help the organization purchase some new property. And then one day, a strange man came to Ted. This was the following Monday. That was on a Friday. This was the following Monday, and he was wearing glasses from the Jesse tree, and they were almost completely covered in tape, and this man pretended to be deaf and mute.

SPEAKER_03: 46:36

Pretending.

SPEAKER_00: 46:37

Who do you think that was?

SPEAKER_03: 46:39

I don't know. Alan Keller? Ellen Keller.

SPEAKER_00: 46:43

So once the strange man and Ted were in private, the strange man admitted that he could talk and he could hear, but he was pretending that he couldn't because of his hatred of women. Fuck. Isn't that weird?

SPEAKER_03: 47:00

And then this is very fucking weird.

SPEAKER_00: 47:02

And then he requested$50. Like he was in need. And this man would later be identified as Robert Nurse. What the fuck? He's a billionaire. You got plenty of money for the bigger. Well, he was he was in disguise.

SPEAKER_03: 47:18

Oh, well. The master of the skies. So he's just decided that he's gonna be everybody at any time.

SPEAKER_00: 47:28

Bob is a complicated man.

unknown: 47:30

Oh.

SPEAKER_03: 47:31

Now fast forward. So fucking complicated. You just slap me with a shit stick over here. Ow.

SPEAKER_00: 47:39

Now, fast forward to September 30th, 2001. A man named David Avena took his kids fishing at Galveston Bay. They put their lines in and uh, you know, they waited for a bite. Now, David's son James, who was 13, he decided to take a walk down the bay. You know, he was like, I'm at the beach, uh, we're not biting yet, so I'm gonna take a walk. And then his dad was like, hey, come on back. We I think we got some activity going on here. Well, on his way back, little James found something floating in the water that he would describe as a pinkish blob. Lindsay. And then this poor kid realized that this was part of a human body. I knew you were gonna do it. I knew it. Fuck. And he screamed for his dad. And David just happened to be a surgical nurse and was like, uh, yeah, that's a torso. Come on now, Lindsay. So police were called and a search for the rest of the body uh was started that day. Later on in the day, three garbage bags were found with more remains. And after an autopsy, these remains were identified as those that belong to Morris Black.

SPEAKER_03: 49:16

Ooh, fuck, man. I just don't think Robert Plant's gonna take me through this fucking story over here. I just really don't. I mean, fuck, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00: 49:26

Now, in the garbage bags containing Morris's body parts were more items like receipts for the garbage bags. A shower shoe, a drop cloth. Shower shoe, though? A bow saw, bloody towels, blue solo cups. No, not a red one, bloody paper towels, a flip-flop, and a copy of USA Today that had been from uh a couple of days before, and it had an address on it. And on the shoreline, there was also men's underwear and a blue bed sheet. So investigators go to the address that was on the USA Today magazine, and uh they decided to also go through the trash outside of this residence. And uh in that trash, there was more paper towels found that matched the ones that they found at the beach. Same style. Yeah. Uh, the package that the drop cloth had come in, a 22 caliber gun, the whole gun. The whole ass fucking and shell casings. An I exam addressed to Robert Durst.

SPEAKER_03: 50:50

What the fuck is it doing there? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 50:54

And that address was right across the hall from Morris Black. Oh. Now, when they contacted the landlord, the landlord was like, I don't know a Robert Durst. I only know a Dorothy Siner and her brother-in-law. Well, investigators go into the apartments, and both of them were covered in blood. They had found their crime scene. Blood was everywhere, and there was a trail in between both apartments. They also found a pairing knife, and one of the neighbors even said that they saw a man load garbage bags into a silver Honda uh CRV, you know, like the little, it's like the little mini SUV thing. She did not know who that man was, the neighbor that reported this. This is a lot, Lindsay. It's so much. Right. Fuck. Now, when they checked to see if that car was or one of that style car was registered to uh Robert Durst, they found, yeah, he's got a CRV registered to his name.

SPEAKER_03: 52:06

I have literally been over here on this planet for like Robert Plant is carrying Jesse. Roberto Planturto has been carrying me the whole time.

SPEAKER_00: 52:16

So now on October 9th, they spotted that Honda. Uh, it was just driving around, and uh they pulled it over, and the driver gave them a holiday and express card with the identification of uh a man named Jim Trust. And they were like, hey, this isn't this isn't proper identification, bro. Please tell us who you are. And uh they went ahead and arrested him, and guess who it was? Bob Durst. Oh, we knew. Now the vehicle, now Robert, I didn't mention this yet, but Robert liked his weed, okay? Oh, is it? The man liked to which is crazy to me because how many murderers have we covered thus far that like to smoke weed? Now we don't, you and I don't partake that often. But when we do, do you ever get the the to commit homicide? Absolutely not. We want to chill, we want to snack, and then we go to sleep.

SPEAKER_03: 53:22

I mean, we just take it nowadays, and we're like, oh, chill out, you know, I'm I'm asleep. Whatever.

SPEAKER_00: 53:28

Well, this vehicle contained a pound of marijuana. A pound? A pound. You can't smoke that. And nine, a nine millimeter gun and another bosom that was just like the bosol that they had found at the beach. Or in the trash.

SPEAKER_03: 53:44

One of the two. You flipped me so much shit on this one, Lindsay. You have too much. Whole red fucking flag castle full of bullshit. You really have.

SPEAKER_00: 53:56

So now Bob was arrested, but he was granted a$250,000 bond, which his current wife paid for.

SPEAKER_03: 54:07

My current wife.

SPEAKER_00: 54:08

Debbie. Oh, Debbie. Deborah. But this dumbass, he missed his court date on October 16th. So now he had a charge of bail jumping. On November 30th, this absolute, I mean, just this man.

SPEAKER_03: 54:28

Visceral, disgusting fucking human being.

SPEAKER_00: 54:30

Human being and absolute dumbass. Um, he was caught stealing at a Wegman's supermarket in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_03: 54:40

And I heard too fucking far, bud.

SPEAKER_00: 54:43

This man had five hundred dollars in his fucking pocket. But he was trying to steal band-aids, a newspaper, and a fucking chicken salad sandwich. You got me with a chicken salad sandwich, Lizzie. You got me with it. Now I heard Wegman's.

SPEAKER_03: 55:02

I need him to steal everything and I got a chicken salad sandwich.

SPEAKER_00: 55:06

New England listeners, hit me up. I heard Wegmans has a killer chicken salad sandwich. Is it worth$500? I don't know. Well, it what do you mean worth$500? Fucking money in his pocket. Come on. Shit. In his rental car, he had another$37,000.

SPEAKER_03: 55:28

Now you're going way too far, Lindsay. Shut up. Come on, now it's way too much.

SPEAKER_00: 55:32

Along with two guns.

SPEAKER_03: 55:33

Oh, fuck.

SPEAKER_00: 55:34

Some more weed. And Morris Black's driver's license. It was also found out that he had been stalking his brother Douglas, who had hired a bodyguard to protect him from his brother Bob Durst. By the way.

SPEAKER_03: 55:54

This is way too much. Calm down.

SPEAKER_00: 55:56

And he was on his way to Gilberta Najami's house. The friend who had last seen Kathy. Or she was the last person to see Kathy other than Bob in 1982. He was on his way to her house.

SPEAKER_03: 56:14

Yeah. Fuck. Oh, this is a fucking pile of fucking shittery, dude. Dude. Pile of shit. Dude. So much shit. Or dude that, or whatever you want to call it. Well, I mean, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00: 56:27

I'm a dude. He's a dude. She's a dude. We're all dying. Fuck. My God. Now, Bob hired a lawyer. Uh, this lawyer's name was John Waldron. And then he was extradited back to Texas because that's where his residence was at that time. That's where his that's where he got his mail. His trial for Morris Black's murder was in 2003. And he also hired another lawyer named Dick DeGuren, I think that's how you say it. And they built their case for the defense. So they got psychiatrist Milton Altchiller to examine Bob, who diagnosed him with Asperger syndrome. And now I know you know nothing about Bob Durst, but I do. And I'm telling you that this makes so much sense because of his stoic, just blonde fucking whitewash demeanor.

SPEAKER_03: 57:37

No.

SPEAKER_00: 57:37

That has nothing to do with Asperger's.

SPEAKER_03: 57:40

I don't know. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00: 57:41

I mean he was not blonde either. Well, I'm talking about like his whitewash, like completely just black. I don't know where you're getting whitewash from. What is this?

SPEAKER_03: 57:50

His demeanor was just blah. Just completely.

SPEAKER_00: 57:54

He was very stoic. He was very unemotional. He does not, he did not show emotion towards anything.

SPEAKER_03: 58:01

I'm not talking about hair when I say blonde. I'm just saying like this whole thing.

SPEAKER_00: 58:04

I don't know what the whitewash thing is.

SPEAKER_03: 58:06

You're talking about. Well, I mean, it's just stoic, is there's no emotion, right? No, no emotion.

SPEAKER_00: 58:11

He's very Dexter Morgan. He's very Dexter Morgan.

SPEAKER_03: 58:14

Exactly. Yes. If you want to call it that, that's my analogy. I can't help it. That's it.

SPEAKER_00: 58:20

So Bob claims that Morris, who is a confrontational and cranky old man, grabbed his 22 and threatened him. In his defense, he also grabbed the gun. What does that remind you of?

SPEAKER_03: 58:37

He grabbed the gun, the gun, the gun.

SPEAKER_00: 58:39

Oh my god!

unknown: 58:40

Yes!

SPEAKER_03: 58:41

Are we on team? Are we on Team Chicago over here?

SPEAKER_00: 58:48

Billy Flynn style over here, bitch. Are you kidding me? They both, they both. Oh my god. I was like, if Jesse don't get this reference, I'm gonna go and just play in a corner.

SPEAKER_03: 58:59

We're getting a divorce over there.

SPEAKER_00: 59:04

Oh yes, they both grab the gun. Reach for the gun, the gun.

SPEAKER_03: 59:08

For the gun. The gun.

SPEAKER_00: 59:10

Hey.

SPEAKER_03: 59:11

No, we were riding that wave so much.

SPEAKER_00: 59:14

I'm so proud of you.

SPEAKER_03: 59:16

Are you proud of me? I'm clouding up.

SPEAKER_00: 59:20

Y'all don't understand. This man is three sheets to the wind. I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna get if I don't know if I'm gonna get this reaction out of Jesse. But yes.

SPEAKER_03: 59:28

You know, we did Fern Gully earlier.

SPEAKER_00: 59:31

We already talked about that.

SPEAKER_03: 59:32

No, but like, who is the evil entity in Ferngully? We found it out. Who is it? Tim motherfucking Curry. That is why I think we love some fucking amazing ass shows like that. I mean, everything about all of the musicals that we love, but that one, I I fucking love it so much. I love everything.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:02

And Christian Slater was in that bitch too, man. He was all about the 90s. He was he was a big part of the late 80s, early 90s.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:10

Yeah, anything musical, anything movie, we're down for sure. Chicago.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:17

So Bob Chicago and Morris both reached for the gun. The gun, the gun. For the gun. Um, and then Bob was like, uh, the gun just went off in Morris Black's face. And then uh, I have to get rid of the body, right? Because I'm already in hiding from two other possible charges. So he completely admits to dismembering Morris Black's body using a pairing knife and two bowsaws and.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:54

And two bone saw. Oh my god, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:58

There's gonna be crime scenes. Just okay, so if you guys follow us.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:02

You got so much.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:03

You have got to stop burping on here. This is not drunk about something raw, uncut, and unedited. Well, I mean, I had to. This is the pod.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:10

Shh, quiet now, Lindsay. Lindsay, quiet.

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I am going to post crime scene photos. No, I don't want to see it. Not yet. This shit is clean, boy. It looks like a surgeon didn't.

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I don't want to see it yet. I mean, you got I mean, this is a fucking fucking ton of fuck fuckery.

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And so he bagged the body parts and threw them into the Galveston Bay. Now, well, there was no evidence that could dispute that this fact was not true. There was no evidence because guess what? Morris Black's head has never been recovered. He stayed innocent. What are you doing with that? Hold on, I haven't gotten there. Fuck. On November 11th, 2003, Robert Allen Durst would be acquitted of murder.

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I'm fighting. I'm fighting the plant.

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Robert, but Robert, but he still had those jumping bail charges. And the dismemberment of a body is a separate charge because that's called evidence tampering. So for those, he was sentenced to five years, and with time served, he got three years. Um he was paroled on July 15th, 2005. And then he was required to ask permission to travel. So he decided to make an unauthorized trip to the residence where he killed Morris Black and then to the mall. And at the mall, he ran into the trial judge. Like the judge from his trial. And went right back to jail for another year. But he was released again. But this is not the end of the story. There is still so much more to come next week. We need Billy.

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What?

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Are we gonna watch Chicago again? You know that I will watch Chicago every day of the week. You know, I will watch Chicago at a drop of the hat right now. Listen. Right now?

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Listeners. That is the end of the jinx part two, by the way. But if you, my adorable, our adorable, wonderful, beautiful listeners have not watched Chicago, I need you to do that right now. As soon as this episode ends. Lindsay's like dropping the fucking hammer. Let me tell you where you can watch it. On the table. Hold on.

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Right now.

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Ooh, you can hear it.

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No, you can hear it.

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Well, I'm a little intoxicated, but I'm just saying I'm just the mojitos are kicking in.

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All the booms. And Lindsay is telling you right now, watch Chicago. All the musicals, dude. We love musicals and movies. Why? I mean, why?

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Because they're amazing.

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That's exactly why.

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Paramount Plus, right now. You can watch it on She's telling you where to go. You can watch it on Paramount Plus, um, Pluto, YouTube, and Prime. Chicago is where it's at. And Apple TV, Fandago. And that's it. Yes. That's where everywhere you can watch Chicago, do it right now. Chicago does it. This is one of the greatest musicals ever made. It has Renee Zellweger, it has Katherine Zetta Jones, it has Queen Latifah.

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It has Queen Latifa.

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Let's stop there. That's my favorite song. It's my favorite whole movie. That's all I'm over here. If you're good to mama, she'll be good to you. It has Tay Diggs. It has John C. Riley. It has Lucy Lou.

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Ba-da-ba.

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Oh my god. Like all of them. Oh my God. Who am I forgetting?

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Everybody, but still minor. Fucking watch Chicago, Fuck.

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Right now. Anywho. So, ladies and gentlemen, that was the end of the Jinx part two. And even though that was horrific, there is still more to come.

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I can't do it yet. I can't do it. Well, I'm gonna give you the cheers at the end of this one. I can't give it to you now.

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Don't give it to me now. But I just want to say, I just want to say that this one has been on the list before we ever became a podcast. I had a dream and I started adding cases. And I it took me a very long time to decide what to start with. And if you go back to our earlier episodes, you'll know what I did start with. Because we started in October of 24. We started with a satanic panic series. But I want to tell you, I wanted to start with the Jinx. But January 2026 just felt right. Really? January for the Jinx just felt right. Little JJ. And here we are. We're in the middle. And god damn it, this is a motherfucking case.

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It's a motherfucker.

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I just threw my pen so.

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This motherfucker is a motherfucker.

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I got one more thing to add, really quick. Yeah. Um, Bob says that he was fascinated with people in prison because they had done things on their own. Because, you know, he was the poor little rich boy.

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Yeah.

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He did not know what life was like without money.

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The golden boy.

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So it fascinated him. He said he literally said that people in prison fascinated him because they had done things on their own. And he didn't know what that was like. Isn't that wild?

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Yeah, he didn't. He just disassociated.

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You and I could never relate. No. But it's crazy to me, like, there is a whole different tax bracket of people.

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There you go. You named it. That was it. That's how you categorize it.

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Who don't know what it's like to actually have to do things on their own. And that when I heard his awakening.

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An awakening.

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An awakening. Yeah. That was like, holy shit. Like he is prison enlightened him. That there was this whole other society of human beings.

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We just thought it was a vacation. It was a it's just a whole other country.

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Bob is wild. I'm just gonna say, Bob is goddamn wild. And we're gonna talk more about that in part three. But Jesse, what amazing palate cleansing band do you have for us today?

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I got Matt Tita and the backwoods band.

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Isn't it Tahita?

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Tahita, maybe. Yeah. Tahita. I am excited about playing this. This song's called Out of Time. Check this shit out.

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I'm thinking about the first thing to say when you live. I got a cigarette in one hand, a whiskey in the other. I'll be a water famous regret tonight. I'm drunk enough to get up today. Nothing. Your memory is not big. We never got the good country song right there.

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I love it. I love it.

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So if you're in Texas, check it out. I mean, you gotta come check out Matt Tita.

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That resonates with goddamn fucking Robert Dirk.

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He's on the run, he's out of time.

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That's wild. That's wild how you continually find songs that incorporate with the case without knowledge.

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It was perfect. I mean, I love the band. I mean, all the music, everything that we share, I love how it just links up. Sometimes it doesn't link completely up, but it's perfect.

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And I need to make it clear to our listeners if you're new here, he don't know shit about my case, and I don't know shit about what band he's playing. And sometimes they do just kind of they go together.

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Some don't.

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It's really weird.

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Some don't. Some don't really, but some do the palette cleanser is good palette cleansing either way.

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But Bob Durst was definitely on the run and out of time for Shizzle.

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I think I'm gonna always and forever remember that.

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I'm out of run.

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I'm out of time.

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I love it. I know. Silas uh joined us. Oh, he always joins in at the very end when we're plugging the band. And I was singing along to the song, and he's like, Do you know the song? I'm like, no, but that's how easy country music is to learn.

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I love it, though. I love it. It was perfect. Everything about Texas is amazing. And country music for sure.

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He's from Texas? Yeah. God damn it. And fucking Bob Durst was hiding out. Look at where they're from. Look at where they're from. That is fucking wild. Jesse, are you sure? Are you sure you didn't peek into my research? Oh. That's right.

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He's from San Antonio. So if you're in the area, check out them.

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So what you need to look up is uh Matt Trajita and the Backwoods Band. I have already followed them on Instagram and Spotify. And they are from San Antonio, Texas. Yes. And uh that was good shit, man. Do it. Absolutely. We'll be tagging them in our story.

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All of our Texas fans, everybody. Fuck it. Check it out.

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Yes. And make sure you stay tuned for next week on part three when I wrap this series up.

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This far, you have destroyed me. I just wanted to say that. Oh, so far.

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Poor Robert poor Robert Plant over there has just absolutely not looking good.

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It's not. Look at this whole ass fucking leaf over here. Well, it's winter time. Let me jack around over here to this fucking leaf, dude.

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I brought Courtney back to life today. She was uh Courtney LaPlant. I think she's the last one to put out the flower. She was a little soggy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:28

Right. Was she the last one?

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That's our girl. She put out the flower.

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Yeah.

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And um, yeah, so Jesse got me a plant stand for Christmas, and we just put that up today after we removed our Christmas tree finally. And Silas's cactus is flourishing.

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I think plants are where we need to be because we like cruises and shit. We like traveling and shit. So it's like plants are where we need to be, you know?

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:51

What does cruises got to do with a plant? You need to leave too many mojitos.

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We don't have to feed the plants as much.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:58

No, these all of our indoor plants are once a week nourishing. Yeah.

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Do you see now?

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So we can leave, we can water them and leave and come back after a week, and they're okay. Whole torsos can be left in the sea. Oh my god, stop it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:14

Is it dark of me? That's very morbid. I'm sorry. That is very macabre of you, brother. You've calused me, Lindsay, in this time, in this, you know, this whole moment, but I'm fucking not looking forward to this really. Okay.

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I I I'm really disappointed that you didn't look at our pictures that I posted of Bob Durst thus far.

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I'm so scared.

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He doesn't want to see pictures until the end.

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I do not.

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So if stay tuned for next week.

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At drinkaboutsomething.sight. I have not posted anything yet at this moment.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:46

So and well, I I was gonna say, so our uh plugs, we're gonna do all of them really quick. So our website is drinkaboutsomething.sight. Our Instagram is drinkabout something. Our Gmail is drinkaboutsomething pod at gmail.com. Uh if you want to plug into our live feeds that we do once a week, it's drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay. And what else do we got?

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:14

Oh so what? Yeah, tell me.

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I didn't see that like there's some algorithm that ties into things as Gen Z. So if you just type in J-E-N-D-S-E-Y, you can check us out. It's that easy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:45

Yeah, so we do recap uh with on video on YouTube, and we post our episodes on there as well, audio. And we're on all the other platforms that you could possibly uh plug into. Pause this really quick. Let me answer this call.

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We love you so much.

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Bye.