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EPISODE 68: The Tulsa Massacre
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A bathroom trip. A scream. Then an entire neighborhood set on fire. We take you through the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre—how Greenwood, called Black Wall Street for its thriving Black-owned businesses, became a target and how a lie in print turned into a night of terror. We start with the moment in the elevator, follow the swelling mob at the courthouse, and track the split-second when a standoff became a gunfight. From there, we map the looting of shops, the torching of homes, and the chilling reports of private planes dropping incendiaries over a U.S. city. The numbers are staggering: thousands displaced, hundreds injured, and a death toll that history tried to blur.
Along the way, we talk about the systems that enabled it—Jim Crow, a complicit press, and a civic response that detained victims rather than protected them. We look at the Red Cross records that kept human details alive when official channels went quiet, and we examine how Greenwood was rezoned and diminished even as residents fought to rebuild. This isn’t just a timeline; it’s a study of wealth destroyed, memory suppressed, and the long arc of denial that delayed any conversation about reparations for generations.
We also share why this history wasn’t taught to many of us, how commissions in the 1990s and 2000s reframed “riot” as “massacre,” and what meaningful remembrance can look like now: accurate curricula, support for descendant communities, and refusal to sanitize the past. Stick around for our music feature—Septarian’s Threshold—adding cathartic weight to the story we just walked through. If this episode taught you something new, help us keep these truths in the light: follow, share with a friend, and leave a review with the one moment that hit you hardest. Your voice helps this history stay visible.
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Hey Jesse. Hey Landon. Oh shit. Hey, Lindsay. Hey, Lindsay. You call me Lindsay. That's weird. Oh, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_03:It used to be hey mommy. Yes. Say mommy. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_01:No, do it landing.
SPEAKER_03:Do it, mom. Do say mommy.
SPEAKER_01:But what do you say when I come into work when you're already there?
SPEAKER_02:Hey, mother.
SPEAKER_01:Mother.
SPEAKER_02:Mother. Or madre.
SPEAKER_01:Tell your children not to walk my way. All right, Jesse, what are you drinking today?
SPEAKER_03:I had like uh some kind of crown vanilla and energy drink of some sort of that you gave me. What was it? It had like uh coke. What was it like? A cherry coke. Cherry slush.
SPEAKER_01:Cherry slush.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I really like the Alani Hawaiian shaved ice. And they didn't have any singles at Walmart. So I was like, I'm gonna get this whole case.
SPEAKER_03:You got the whole packy?
SPEAKER_01:So it came with cherry slush, which is also delicious. The juicy peach. You had that last time.
SPEAKER_03:The whole package of waya. That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01:And the Hawaiian shaved ice.
SPEAKER_03:So it's like vacation.
SPEAKER_01:So we could be geeked up all weekend. Yeah, Hawaiian shaved ice is like wide-eyed and bushy-tailed.
SPEAKER_03:Landon, what are you drinking over there? Oh, you're drinking root beer.
SPEAKER_01:Root beer, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, root beer in your house Gen Z Targaryen cups. Roots beer.
SPEAKER_01:You're going to close that blind. I'm blinded by the many, many of cups we have.
SPEAKER_03:What are you drinking, Miss Lindsay? What are you drinking over there, Miss Lindsay?
SPEAKER_01:I've got a bod side with lime and freshly squeezed lime and lemon and a little bit of lemon juice. Juice. With um the all the sparkling water.
SPEAKER_03:So we feel like Landon has settled in over here. He's like partying with us for the last month.
SPEAKER_01:He's our tri-host. Not co-host. He's the tri-host.
SPEAKER_03:Tri-host, the third leg, Landon over here. Third leg. Yeah, from House of Not House of Dragons. What was it? From um the new Game of Thrones thing, the third leg guy. What's his name? Oh, the Oh God.
SPEAKER_01:Oh shit.
SPEAKER_02:From the Knights of the Seven Kingdoms. Yeah, Knights of the Seven Kingdom. That's what we're doing. We're so horrible with names. Sir Pennyworth. Yeah, Sir Penny.
SPEAKER_01:Is it Pennyworth?
SPEAKER_02:It's Pennyworth, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You're so good with that. I love Penny.
SPEAKER_03:Landon knows his Game of Thrones. Dude, you got more Game of Thrones time. Like, okay, we're watching Game of Thrones, and it's like, who was that, Landon? And you're like, chiming in, dude. You know the names of the none of us knew.
SPEAKER_02:The other dude from I still don't know. John.
SPEAKER_01:Uh it's his name was God damn it. Edward or something. No, Edison. Edison. Edison. Edison. Edison Tollett.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the one.
SPEAKER_01:And I was like, God damn it, why didn't you like tourists?
SPEAKER_03:At Castle Black, yeah, after he got unalived.
SPEAKER_01:He's the G, though. Like, he's a why don't we know his name after nine?
SPEAKER_03:Do you really feel like Red Queen kind of fucking earned her stripes back a little bit there, but like at the same time, at the same time the Red Queen?
SPEAKER_02:Okay, so earned the princess. Sorry, we're getting a thrones.
SPEAKER_01:She gets two good points with me. She brings Jon Snow back.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, and then at the long night when she starts all the double fire swords. The fire. And she does the trench, too. She always does the trench.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, when she lights all the fires through the long night, and then when she brings brings Jon Snow back. Sorry, spoilers.
SPEAKER_03:And she loses all the points. Yeah, she loses all the points when she takes her necklace off. Anyhow, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_01:But anyways, get this shit started.
SPEAKER_03:Holy shittery, Lindsay. I'm not ready for this.
SPEAKER_01:You're not.
SPEAKER_03:But we're gonna do it anyhow. Happy Friday, everybody!
SPEAKER_00:Woo!
SPEAKER_03:Lindsay, I think this drink is deadly to me.
SPEAKER_01:Deadly?
SPEAKER_03:It is deadly good. It is so good.
SPEAKER_01:So you know it's coming. Do you need me to give you your notes? You know what it is? Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I don't need to read my own notes. Nobody makes me. Nobody makes me read my own notes. No, uh trying to remember things and then acting like you remember it. Have you had those occasions where you're like, oh my god, I think I remember this, but I don't remember it, but I should remember it, and you're like, play it off and you're like, Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Especially these days.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my God. Yes, I remember that. And you're like, you have no damn clue. I I mean, it's kind of shameful. You should be honest with yourself, but at the same time, you know that you knew it, but you don't know it because you don't remember that you knew it.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you're ashamed that you don't remember something that you should.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. So that's what it is. That's what it is. You just kind of play it off, and then and then usually somebody will elaborate, then it clicks. Usually. That's what you're waiting on. You're waiting on somebody to actually plug in enough to where it clicks in your brain. You're like, oh yeah, I fucking really do remember this. But I was playing cool to be to at the beginning, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Well, we're in our 40s, and I heard that when you're in your 50s, all your fucks have have left the building.
SPEAKER_03:I call it sometimes instead of all timers.
SPEAKER_01:And you will just be like, nah, I don't remember that shit, bruh. But right now, we're still a little shameful.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But in our 50s, we'll be like, I don't remember.
SPEAKER_03:So you're playing it off, though. You're like, you're you're faking the funk, really. Like at our age, I think we fake the funk more between 40 and 60. You're like really faking.
SPEAKER_01:Because right now we're feeling that shame that we don't remember because we're getting older.
SPEAKER_03:So somebody should be walking beside you with a bell. Sting shame.
SPEAKER_01:Shame.
SPEAKER_03:Shame. Yeah. Sting. Shame. Yeah. I want to do the walk of atonement one time. Just one time through Lake City. Just fucking do the walk through atonement. You know, strip my clothes down.
SPEAKER_01:All right. You heard it here first. I'm going to get an entourage of people to throw shit and piss on Jesse as he walks through Lake City naked.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, as long as the dudes jump out with the city.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so where's going to be your um safe haven points?
SPEAKER_03:No, I'm going to walk through the courthouse, through I'm walking all the way downtown Main Street, dude. All the way. I mean, the Blanche Center, everything, dude. I'm walking all the way to the railroad tracks, dude. I'm making it. Making my way downtown Main.
SPEAKER_01:Are you going to be the Shane Beller? Ding. Shame.
SPEAKER_03:Ding ding. Shame. Shame. Who's going to throw poop? I got to call my friends, dude.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Say, hey guys, I need you all to shit in the bucket.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I'm not doing it unless Todd Bryant pops out like fully nude and flashes me and be like, come on, come on, tag in the episode when we post it. Dude, his afro was so amazing the other day. He is sexy ass human being.
SPEAKER_01:And he's always had that. So I mean, I don't know him like you do by any means.
SPEAKER_03:But my best friends.
SPEAKER_01:Many years ago, so here's what made me feel old because you mentioned Todd. So because I always go off the dome. Jesse has notes. I go off the dome.
SPEAKER_03:Lindsay just pulls it out. So does she really remember? She's many years ago.
SPEAKER_01:I'm 43 right now. Uh when I was 12 years old, which is Silas's age. Um, I volunteered at the VA. And what you do is you sign up to volunteer. You're basically like a free paid employee. Yeah. And uh Todd was in his like second year, I think, volunteering. And that's where I first met him.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, earning the stripes. Yeah. And he's still there. Still never left. That is his whole realm.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that is the whole, I think that's the whole point, usually, in volunteering there. That only did it once summer.
SPEAKER_03:To aspire to actually work there, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And now I really enjoyed my time there. I really did.
SPEAKER_03:And very admirable. It is nice. I mean, the VA is a good spot. I think we need to take Silas over there and let him experience some of that. And just have the stories like you had with some of the veterans and things and really grasp some of that, make them feel comfortable in that area through whatever they're going through. And those conversations meant a lot to them.
SPEAKER_01:Um, fortunately, when I was in school, if you made good grades, they chose you for this um program called the Vital Program, where you got to go every, I think it was every Tuesday and go basically visit and and have be comfort to some of the veterans at the VA hospital. And we would all get assigned our own little veterans. And I had two different ones because sometimes they were permanent residents of the VA hospital, sometimes they were just there temporarily. So I had two different ones, and it was a really cool experience. And then like I still mingled with some of the other uh students, veterans as well. Like we, you know, we were all like a little fam.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And that was a really cool experience as well, which made me want to go back. But the older I got, I developed like this phobia of hospitals because there was a lot of people in my life that passed away.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:When I was younger. And so I associated all of that with death. And yeah, it was the whole thing. Yeah. I probably should talk to somebody about it. I don't like hospitals, I don't like funerals. Like, it just makes me very depressed.
SPEAKER_03:Uh well, I mean, it's part of life. It takes a toll on me. Yeah, it takes a toll on me.
SPEAKER_01:The older we get, it is the more you're which I'm sure it takes a toll on anybody, but it like really brings me down to where it affects my life.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll work on that together. I got you, girl. And and a little history lesson behind uh the Lake City, Florida VA hospital. That was actually the University of Florida at one time.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, I do know that. I did know that.
SPEAKER_03:The original University of Florida.
SPEAKER_01:Or the original, yeah, US.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, a little bit of conflict there, and they moved down to Gainesville. So things changed right there. So that's that's some some cool history too. But I'm glad you had that time, and I'm glad that you know, Todd, my old my old bestie over there is still kicking ass over there. My sister's still kicking ass over there. So we have people in our community and our family that's really close to us. I know several people were yeah, that's really good.
SPEAKER_01:So, Lannon, anything make you feel old this week?
SPEAKER_02:Um, you know what made me feel old? Silas saying he felt old because he's still you remember we were sitting there on the couch watching Game of Thrones. He said, Oh, that makes me feel old. I don't remember what it was about, but he said that made me feel old.
SPEAKER_03:Watching it for so many years, that's what he was like, dude. I've already seen this like four years ago, and he's like feeling old.
SPEAKER_02:He said, This makes me feel old, or something. I was like, What? You're 12.
SPEAKER_03:No, it's like it reminds me of little rascals, little rascals when they're like, from the beginning of time, five years when they're talking about the race car.
SPEAKER_01:Well, and also the other thing that made me feel old was that um entourage of 90s country that I shared to you that's turning 30 this year because that doesn't even make any sense.
SPEAKER_03:You can't do that.
SPEAKER_01:That and that's that was 1996, yeah. Murray. I was gonna play them all, but I don't know. I don't want to get sued for like musical.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, no, but we don't have Brooks and Dunn fucking we don't have the credentials.
SPEAKER_01:Come on now, Ronnie. Y'all got enough money. I don't need to sue the low me.
SPEAKER_03:No credenti on that one, but no, yeah. Uh it was like Alan Jackson and there was like a couple other people like strawberry.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it does it does suck. 30 years old.
SPEAKER_03:Landon, you live in the 70s. Can you believe all the music that you listen to is that old? That should make you feel old. And I love it. I love it.
SPEAKER_01:Landon is uh he's been jamming to my Bob, my Bob Seeger lately. And that makes me so proud, but also makes me feel ancient at the same time.
SPEAKER_03:Awesome. I love and old the feng shui and the uh awareness of just good ass jams, Lindsay. I love that our kids embrace all of that.
SPEAKER_02:Night moves is a good song, night moves is a good song.
SPEAKER_01:And Joey, Joey from Friends, Matt LeBlanc, he is featured in that music video.
SPEAKER_03:I think we need an Eagles Day, me and you. We're doing Hotel, California.
SPEAKER_01:I only like the songs that are led by Don Hill. I'm a Don Henley fan.
SPEAKER_03:I love them all. I don't care. Well, what are you talking about over here, Lindsay? Gosh.
SPEAKER_01:Well, if you're new here, what do we do, Jesse? And we'll let you do it.
SPEAKER_03:We do stories by Lindsay, which are true crime horrific stories that I usually don't know shit about. And then uh at the end of it, I like to play a band that I do have permission to play. And at the same time, we like to have guests, and Lennon is our guest today. Yeah, been a guest for a couple of episodes. He has been a guest.
SPEAKER_01:We're loving it. We're loving it.
SPEAKER_03:He's a resident guest.
SPEAKER_01:He's in his uh residency as a podcaster.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, for the month of Feb.
SPEAKER_01:So we're still in Black History Month, and I want to share one more story before we close out the month.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, see, like, okay, I wanted to I want to say a little quick thing about that. I have been saying African American forever, but I did not know that they just call it black American now. I did not know that.
SPEAKER_01:Well, because I mean, not all of the black community is from Africa. I mean, you got Haiti, you got South America, you got all kinds of generations. Yeah, Aboriginal folks.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I get it. I thought it so black American, I'm gonna try to just start saying that from now on because like first First Nations people, indigenous, first indigenous native native people or whatever. Like, there's a there's a whole line there. I just want to make sure everybody's happy, you know.
SPEAKER_01:I'll say like uh when I was younger, my cousin Charity dated uh black Puerto Rican.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Beautiful kids, by the way. Like, I mean, I I'm I was of age to be able to say that back then. Yeah. He was a kid then. He's grown now. Right.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. So that's not weird and creepy. We just try to make sure all the staples are stapled. Yes. That way everybody has, you know, full respect and full, you know.
SPEAKER_01:No offensiveness.
SPEAKER_03:Nothing, nothing, nothing. We make sure we have all the good intentions. Everything is due, what is due and is due whenever's due, because we want to make sure it's due.
SPEAKER_01:So, what we're drinking about today is the Tulsa massacre.
SPEAKER_03:Massacre in Tulsa. Yes, here we go.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, which will be aka the Black Wall Street.
SPEAKER_03:Is this some bullshit like what we did talked about last week?
SPEAKER_01:It is, kind of like, but in a whole different area. So last week we talked about Rosewood, Florida. This week we are in Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1921. So this actually happened before Rosewood. I just kind of looked back and I've been going backwards in time, but I don't like that because we did go backwards in time. So Emmett Till was in the 50s, and then Rosewood was in 1923, and then Tulsa that we're gonna talk about today was in 1921. And I hate that because that's a big gap where shit should have been different, but it wasn't.
SPEAKER_03:Well, and we talked about Kendrick, you know.
SPEAKER_02:This is off topic, but like t there's a show on uh I don't know where it's on, it's probably Tulsa King. Yeah, Tulsa King has Sylvester Salon. Yeah, it's about Tulsa, Oklahoma. Yeah, for sure. It's in that same city, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Totally different scenario. Totally different in the true crime. I have heard that that's an amazing show. Yeah, yeah. Uh and Jojo's watching that right now.
SPEAKER_03:With the black American community, though, we gotta we gotta focus on that scenario. But I do love Tulsa King. I do. Have you watched it? No, I've I think I watched one episode.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03:You watched any of the landman stuff too? No. Oh, you gotta watch some of that too, bro. Anyhow, Lindsay, you have stories. Oh, this is not a lot of people.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you said falling because this one's horrible.
SPEAKER_03:You said Wall Street in the middle of the day.
SPEAKER_01:That means they were what? Thriving, prosperous man, yes. Came up from the slavery times. But here we go. All right, so in 1921, Tulsa, Oklahoma was a booming oil town, and the black community had their own district known as Greenwood, which was on the north side of Tulsa. They had their own district because a law had been passed for an ordinance of residential segregation. Like if more members on any block were more of one race than the other, the race that was less populated had to move.
SPEAKER_03:Had to deuce out. Yeah, had to move. Some more Jim Crow bullshit, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Oh my god. Fuck Jim Crow. That's the uh that's the theme of this whole month. Fuck Jim Crow.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, this is fuck Jim Crow month. And you know what? At the same time in 1776, we should have abolished all this bullshit to be given.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, we uh we both spoke about that yesterday, where uh that whole shit was written was originally written into the Declaration of Independence. Oh, it's called capitalism, Lindsay. Uh but they were like, nah, we want our free labor. Let's let's not talk about that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, if you're a billionaire, why?
SPEAKER_01:So after this ordinance went into effect, the Supreme Court said that this was unconstitutional, but Tulsa was like, we don't give a fuck, we're gonna do it anyway. So uh racial tension was very high, and the KKK was on the rise. So the KKK actually started in 1915. Really? So we're in 1921.
SPEAKER_03:With like Forrest Gump's uncle or some shit, right?
SPEAKER_01:General, but what was his name? General Bedford Buford Bump.
SPEAKER_03:Bedford Forrest Gump. Yeah, it's not like that. Yeah, whatever. That guy. Yeah. And there's real history behind that, really. There's real history for real. Yes. Yeah, they just wrote Forrest's story behind that.
SPEAKER_02:Real history of that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's why that movie just is iconic.
SPEAKER_02:It really hits.
SPEAKER_01:So out of 72,000 residents of Tulsa, 3,200 were KKK members.
SPEAKER_03:Are you fucking kidding me right now?
SPEAKER_01:What's that? Like 3%? Something like that?
SPEAKER_03:That's a fucking shit ton of fuckery. That's a lot of people fixing it go down in Oklahoma. So then they already had like how long was it before that? Let me think.
SPEAKER_01:Well, they were only in effect about six years.
SPEAKER_03:60 years before that. No, no, 60 years before that, they had the Trelleteers, right? Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, something like that.
SPEAKER_03:So there was like a huge influx of in Indigenous folks that that got removed away from their land and dumped off into that too. Wow.
SPEAKER_01:And I want to talk when so uh this coming November, I want to talk a little bit more about indigenous history because it it's just as bad.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh so Greenwood had been established in 1906. So by 2020 or 1921, not 2021. 1921, they had a thriving community. They were indeed called the Black Wall Street. They had everything you needed, they had their own leaders, uh, successful businesses, theaters, nightclubs. They were doing the thing. Like, I can't even express to you without you doing your own research how amazing this community was.
SPEAKER_03:So between this one and everything. Right. Between this one and Rosewood, if they would have taken notes, you know, the whole economy would have been so much better off.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Take fucking notes. Don't fucking demolish. This is gonna be another demolished thing. And you know, I didn't even agree. I don't want to do it, Lindsay. I'm so sorry.
SPEAKER_01:But I did not realize that Oklahoma had only been a state since 1907. So a 19-year-old named Dick Roland, uh, he was a shoe shiner who worked at a parlor on Main Street. On May 30th, he had to go to the bathroom. The bathroom that he was allowed to use was on the top floor of the drexal building. And this bathroom was arranged by his employer for that employer's employees to use. Like everything was on the up and up. Well, the elevator that he had to take was operated manually at that time. So, you know, now like I'm look- I'm I'm talking to Landon at this point. We've been in a lot of elevators, you just push a button now. Well, back then a person had to do that for you.
SPEAKER_03:And they had to like pull an operator that had a job, and that was his job. I love elevator operators. That's cool, that's really elegant.
SPEAKER_01:Well, the employee that was operating was a 21-year-old white woman named Sarah Page. It said that the elevator had an issue leveling out at the top that could possibly have made Dick trip and fall into Sarah, who let out a scream, and then Dick was seen running away from the elevator. A clerk. At Renberg's, which is a clothing store on the first floor, he heard Sarah scream, saw Dick running, and assumed the worst.
SPEAKER_03:No fucking way, Lindsay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Here we go. Here we go.
unknown:Fuck.
SPEAKER_01:The clerk said that he found Sarah in a distraught state and thought that she had been sexually assaulted and went and alerted the authorities. Sarah would say in her statement that Dick had grabbed her arm and nothing more. Nothing. And I capitalized that in my notes. Nothing.
SPEAKER_03:Elevator bump and lost his footing and sorry, ma'am. And then fucking probably deuced out, right?
SPEAKER_01:But he okay, so Dick was probably terrified that he had accidentally touched a white woman, and that's why he was seen running.
SPEAKER_03:I wanted to do that with you because I know how fucking stupid this is fucking stupid.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And Sarah did not want to press any charges. But a manhunt for Dick was still launched and he was arrested on May 31st. By the way, May 30th, the day that this happened was Memorial Day. So Memorial Day was already established at that time because we had just gone through World War One, where a shit ton of the black community men had fought in this war and then came home and still had to be oppressed. Right. By the way.
SPEAKER_03:Here we go. Yeah, you can't use this bathroom anymore. You're not cool enough. Even though you went overseas and died, and the tear gas and the crazy shit from World War I was so much more horrific than you can ever imagine. Put their lives on the line, then come back to oppression again.
SPEAKER_01:Just right back. So a lot of the local legal professionals in the area knew Dick because he had shined their shoes many times, and they all agreed that he was being wrongfully accused. They were like, no, that's not in this kid. Like it, that's literally in Wikipedia, where I got a lot of this information.
SPEAKER_03:As per every scenario this month that you've talked about, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_02:Right. And a lot of people can tell like how a person is by the way they act.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it was just, and he was just trying to go to the bathroom.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know? And they had to go to designated bathrooms. So, and this one just happened to be on the top floor, which you had to get to by an elevator, which was operated by a white woman.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Old Jim Crow wouldn't even let uh people of different color use the same fucking water fountain.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And this time the white woman wasn't even crying rape or crying assault.
SPEAKER_00:She said no, nothing happened. But they're still gonna goddamn go, we're gonna go get you shotgun, sons of bitches, and you damn dogs, and we're gonna get our mask on. You fuck.
SPEAKER_01:So the Tulsa Tribune decided to print that Dick had been arrested for attacking a girl in an elevator and presumed that he was going to be lynched. He tripped in grabbed her and elevator.
SPEAKER_03:You mean he just literally was in a you know, elevators had cable pulleys and and you know, whatever shottiness. Yeah, yeah. Just you you tripped and fell and was like, oh, I'm sorry, ma'am. And that was probably it. And he's like, holy fuck, I actually touched a white woman. I better fucking run. I better run. For my life. For my life, exactly. Landsey, no, you can't do this in front of Landon. He he's not ready.
SPEAKER_02:I'm not ready. And they probably he's probably heard about the cases you've talked about previously.
SPEAKER_01:Well, no, because this was before that. This was before Emmett Till. Yeah. This is before Emmett Tilt.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like almost 30 years before Emmett Till. Yeah. Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01:This is before Rosewood. Like I said, I kind of went backwards in time, not intentionally, but when shit got brought to my attention, I'm like, oh my God, I need to talk about that. No, I think you line it up right.
SPEAKER_03:But at the same time, it's like this is the beginning of what snowballed all the way up to Emmettil, Rosewood, and things like that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because decades later, nothing had changed in certain areas. Right.
SPEAKER_03:And the towns like you were talking about in Georgia and just so many.
SPEAKER_01:And there's so many more that I'm gonna have to wait until next February to cover.
SPEAKER_03:Fuck, y'all better in for that one because it's just it's a lot. It's a lot. We're gonna be doing this every February.
SPEAKER_01:Every February, because it needs to be recognized so we don't repeat it. Because history is trying to repeat itself right now. And I don't want it to happen. I don't want to see it happen in our lifetime. But after everyone read those headlines, white residents began to mob around the courthouse, basically demanding that Dick be released so he could be lynched. Yeah. They wanted to see this guy lynched without any proof that he had actually done anything.
SPEAKER_03:Fucking Tulsa. Fuck.
SPEAKER_01:Well, Sheriff Willard McCullough uh did not want this to happen. He was trying to do the right thing.
SPEAKER_03:So another middleman trying to fucking hold the peace, just like last one.
SPEAKER_01:So he formed a barricade around the courthouse, and his orders were to shoot anyone that would attempt to cross that barricade. So he was, I mean, like, armed forces do not let anybody cross this line and try to get at Dick Rogan.
SPEAKER_03:I can picture this.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:I can picture this, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Some of the black men of Greenwood was would receive word that they were to report to the courthouse armed. I don't know where this breakdown of communication went, but they received word that they were supposed to arrive with guns.
SPEAKER_03:So now they're trying to co-mob against the mob, though. They're trying to rise up and protect themselves and their livelihood. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So doing what they thought they were being ordered to do, around 50 to 60 armed men of Greenwood would arrive to support the defense of Dick Roland. Sheriff McCullough would publicly say that he had not given these orders. So that pissed the wife people off. And they decided to go and retrieve their own weapons because now they feel like the black community is up in arms. It's set ablaze.
SPEAKER_03:It's set ablaze now at the courthouse. Boom. Now we have fucking full-on rights to fucking go on to a mob with arms.
SPEAKER_01:This was about a thousand white men. Lindsay, this big 50 to 60 black men, a thousand white men.
SPEAKER_03:Lindsay. This is no. I don't okay, but I'm this is not a no. This is gonna be shitty. Lindsay, I don't know this part.
SPEAKER_01:Now some went home to get their own guns that they had in their house, and some went to the National Guard Armory to basically break in and take guns from there. Major James Bell of the 180th Infantry Regiment was in fear of a break-in. So he called the commanders of all three Tulsa units of the armory uh to repost for duty. Like suit up, do the thing. Yeah, there's a storm on the fucking armory. Right.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Now one group of white men did indeed try and break in. Like they they took the bars that were on the windows, yanked them off, trying to get guns because now they were in fear that the black community was trying to overtake them. But at the same time, like I said again, there's a thousand white dudes, there's 50 to 60 black men. That's not even close.
SPEAKER_03:No, the local law enforcement should should have been able to hold that down. But you got so many charismic fucking racist ass white dudes that that are out for blood no matter what. Because over a dude bumping and hitting the girls on. Oh my god, and touched a white woman. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01:Well, and also the audacity of them showing up with guns because they thought they were ordered to do so.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah, no, no, that gave them the full green light in their mind.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Now, back at the courthouse, the mob had now grown to about 2,000 white men.
SPEAKER_03:You're shitting me right now. Don't look at me with that shit in your face right now. You're looking at me with full-on shit you're throwing at me.
SPEAKER_01:And everyone in Greenwood was terrified, rightfully so.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:More of the Greenwood residents would come to the courthouse to make sure that Dick Rowland was safe. And the white people would call this an inward uprising.
SPEAKER_04:What the fuck?
SPEAKER_01:And several shots were fired from both sides, uh, basically up in the air through the night.
SPEAKER_03:Hootin' root.
SPEAKER_01:This was like a standoff, right? Nobody was actually shooting at each other just yet. It was just a bunch of gunshots.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Testosterone field, racist field, fucking got nothing better to do. Bitch, go bowling. Go do they had bowling. Go do some fucking roller skates. Yes, they did. They had fucking roller skates. Remember, we talked about later. We talked about roller skates.
SPEAKER_01:Now the skating, yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But I don't know about go do some shuffleboarding, though.
SPEAKER_00:Go play baseball. Go play baseball. Yeah. Football. Something.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Yeah, go crochet. Go do some macrome. Fuckers. Do something. Fond of some oil.
SPEAKER_01:Go help your wife with the house.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like if painting with a twist would have been around back then, fuck. It'd have been way better off.
SPEAKER_01:Well, as you can see, the more people have to do, the less shit like that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you got something to do. Get the fuck out and quit being in fear and wanting to join something where you feel like you're free. What the fuck? Dude, just let everybody be everybody and let them do their thing. A dude bumped somebody and grabbed them accident. Probably said sorry, ma'am, and left. And reading it.
SPEAKER_01:Unfortunately, it was speculated that there was a lover's quarrel, but that was the elevator or somebody just trying to go piss.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he's just trying to go piss. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So the sheriff assured that Dick was safe, and all the black men were going to return to Greenwood. They're like, okay, thank you. Bye. But one white man attempted to disarm one black man who was the black man a World War I veteran.
SPEAKER_03:There you go. He's going to fight for his fucking.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so he's on that shit. He's been through it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's going to fight for his humanity and his manhood and his rights. Exactly. Trying to take my right. Exactly, Landon. He has the full on right to be there and do what he's doing. And somebody's trying to take his Second Amendment fucking establishment.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he's just probably holding his gun in his little sling. No hell no, boy.
SPEAKER_00:You ain't allowed to have no gun around me, boy. Dang them don't do.
SPEAKER_01:Well, after this, the sheriff said that, quote, all hell broke loose. Unquote. Gunfire started being exchanged between both groups, and 10 white men and two black men were shot dead. So now, like I said earlier, they were shooting in the air. Now they're not going to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_03:So this has become a whole fucking horrific war.
SPEAKER_01:Now another account, because a lot of this is lost to history because it was 1921. So another account was that there was an attack of six white men on one black man, and black store owners rushed out of their businesses to help because they saw this one guy being overtaken by six men, and this is what caused the shootout. So there's a couple of different versions of the story. Like I said, a lot, a lot is lost to history. So it said that the men of Greenwood retrieved and headed back home, and the white mob continued after them, and a rolling gun fight would carry on. The white men started looting and setting fire to the black-owned businesses. Now the National Guard did step in in this instance. Remember, like I said, in Rosewood, they were on standby, but the white sheriff, which we did see, was played by the same character that played Yondu. Yo, Yondu. So while we were watching the movie, it was just Yondu. Like, that's Yondu. We don't know his real name.
SPEAKER_03:Is there a movie about this? Is there a doc or a movie about this?
SPEAKER_01:I cannot find a movie about this.
SPEAKER_03:This is way bigger. What we need to do. We need to we need to make something. I'm gonna call up my buddy Chris. We're gonna make a movie.
SPEAKER_01:Well the National Guard, the National Guard stepped in and started rounding up black residents and took them into the convention hall for detention. So it was basically like if you were black, you were being arrested.
SPEAKER_03:You're all detained.
SPEAKER_01:And you were being detained. You had no idea why it was just happening.
SPEAKER_03:At the same time, they're probably trying to round everybody up to try to put them in a safe spot too.
SPEAKER_01:Well, yes. So from what I read in research, like that is what their intention was, but a lot of the black community did not know why. They're being detained.
SPEAKER_03:Why are we exactly yeah? So, yeah, they didn't have the knowledge of hey, y'all need to come on in this building to save you, or this is gonna get fucking shitty because there's a whole mob that's out for blood and they don't care. Or it could have been like Rosewood and they just start rebelling and fighting against, and they're just like, dude, we don't know what the fuck's going on. We want our livelihood and our things, right? I mean, I get that too.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying it, or it could have just been like Rosewood and they were just rounding up people of color to do it.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, to try to burn the barn, right? Lock them in the barn. They're all together now, right?
SPEAKER_01:I'm hoping that some of the white people had good intentions. Yeah, I'm trying to lean that.
SPEAKER_03:I'm trying to lean toward that. That's why I'm saying that. I'm trying to lean toward that, but I don't think this fucking the plant's not gonna hold me this fucking week, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because Robert, he is uh, so our Robert plant is uh I had to trim him back. I had to prune him. I see him sprouting over here. But he's got some new growth.
SPEAKER_03:He's sprouting. Is it spring in Florida already? Not yet.
SPEAKER_01:And then, but Courtney, she's over here, she's flourishing, she's got a bloom.
SPEAKER_03:Courtney over here is looking forward to the body.
SPEAKER_01:She is like, yes, there's no dead leaves. She's got it going on.
SPEAKER_03:But Robert Plant is looking good.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna turn toward him because Courtney just played at the Emmys, so yeah. Soft spine. Yeah, yes.
SPEAKER_03:Robert, you're looking good, bro. You're looking good, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Well, gunfighting would continue long into the night and early morning hours of June 1st. White men of the mob started throwing oil-lit rags into businesses. I think it was actually kerosene. I'm not 100% sure. I'm so sorry. I wrote oil, but I think it was kerosene.
SPEAKER_03:Either way, it's all yes.
SPEAKER_01:So they would throw these rags into the businesses and residents of Greenwood, setting everything on fire. And some of the white residents who had black employees in their house, like cooks and housekeepers, they were forced to turn over their employees to go to the detention center.
SPEAKER_03:That is very much so not what I was thinking, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_01:And all the white people complied.
SPEAKER_03:Well, fear is your only God.
SPEAKER_01:I would hope. I really just I think I think about situations like this, and I would really think that I would just be because I'm a rebellious person.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah, I would I would be trying to fight for my fucking whole livelihood and every you know, and I would just hope that I would stand up for my valued employee. Yeah, for sure. I would fight tooth and nail. They would have had I would have gone down with them. I would have been like, no, wait a minute. These are the people that help me and and do everything for my for my business and everything. I consider these people the same as me.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Now the Tulsa fire department, they tried to intervene, but were forced away at gunpoint.
SPEAKER_03:So once again, once again, they're forced away at gunpoint. Yes. You can't fuck with them because they fucking mobbed up and they own so many different ownerships.
SPEAKER_02:Wait, the fire department? The fire department was a a part of the mob. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01:They were trying to help trying to come help. Oh, and the mob was telling them to turn around, go away.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you're not allowed, you're not allowed to put these fires out.
SPEAKER_01:They're not allowed. Let this shit burn.
SPEAKER_03:This community's doing too good for us. We're jealous as fuck, and we talked about that in Rosewood too. People are fucking jealous of the come up that they're trying to deform and and and do. And dude, I can't, I don't even have the words for the amazing people in the early 1900s.
SPEAKER_01:They were doing so well.
SPEAKER_03:Doing so well.
SPEAKER_01:And that's what I said in the last episode. It's like we abolished slavery, we let them come up, and then brought them back down. Right. And I don't even want to associate we because I would not be a part of this.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there's no we on it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just too rebellious of a person. I stand up for what's right, and I would probably, like I said, if I was a witch back in the trial days, I would have been burned.
SPEAKER_03:So which would you have been, though, Lindsay? What's your favorite witch? Which is your favorite witch?
SPEAKER_01:Well, none of them that were prosecuted were actually witches. So, but a healer, I believe that I would have been a healer. And I probably would have been burned for that shit. And I probably would have been burned for having opinions and for speaking my mind. A hundred percent because I can't control that. It just comes out of my mouth. Yeah. I can't be silenced.
SPEAKER_03:I get it. I get it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I I see though, also, if we deep dive into Ursula a little bit, you know, I feel like her brother did her wrong and she was just trying to get back at him, you know. I mean, Ursula.
SPEAKER_01:Every villain has an origin story.
SPEAKER_03:Don't they?
SPEAKER_01:They too.
SPEAKER_03:I love Ursula, and I love that you love Ursula.
SPEAKER_01:I love Ursula.
SPEAKER_03:The Sea Witch is the the fucking top witch for me.
SPEAKER_01:Well, somebody asked me why I love the villains a lot in Disney movies. I'm like, because they have the best songs.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:The writers always, the composers, they always give the villains the kick-ass songs. Poor Unfortunate Soul was the tits. And uh what's the scars song? Scars. Oh my god. Oh, be well.
SPEAKER_03:Beep.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's my favorite.
SPEAKER_03:When they cut that off, I was a live one, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_01:I was done. I wanted to walk out of the theater.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Ursula, though, was the I mean, she went through some shit too. Yeah. I feel like she was an outcast too. Her her brother, King Triton over here.
SPEAKER_01:And we love Cruella's origin story.
SPEAKER_03:Do we? Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. You were like, I want more after we watched that. Didn't I? You did. Yeah. Loved it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I think, uh, I think uh rightfully so, though, um Ursula is fucking the the top witch.
SPEAKER_01:And Maleficent.
SPEAKER_03:There we go again. But yeah, I mean, I like Ursula, though. Mermaid and stuff.
SPEAKER_01:So by the way, the uh co-founder of Tulsa, uh Tate Brady, he was a member of the KKK. Fuck. And he participated in the riots as a night watchman.
SPEAKER_03:No fucking way.
SPEAKER_01:So it's gonna keep or it's gonna get worse for a few minutes here. Uh oh, actually, it's just gonna be worse throughout. Okay, so a privately owned aircraft operated by white men were now dropping firebombs onto buildings. So now they have aircraft. Early 1920 aircraft just dropping firebombs.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean, okay, Oklahoma itself is a lot of farm and stuff, so they probably had some planes because after World War I, there was a shit ton of the the by-wing planes and shit everywhere. So the military dumped that off into the community. So everybody had access to that. FAA didn't even give a fuck what you were flying when you were flying at the time. So a lot of people had access to planes, and they were doing that for like crops and things like that.
SPEAKER_01:A lot of people that knowledge because I was like, where the fuck do they have these planes? No, yeah. Why? Yeah, where and why?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. No, no, buddy, buddy's farm crop is is you know, corn or whatever, soybean, whatever they're growing in that area. Dude just had access to that, and there was a lot of people that had access to planes, and they FAA didn't give a fuck. You just flash it, you know. So that's that's where that came from, yeah, for sure. That's crazy as hell.
SPEAKER_01:So they are dropping these firebombs on buildings, homes, a gas station. God damn.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, they don't give a fuck. They're trying to destroy the whole community.
SPEAKER_01:While people are running for their lives. I mean, just you know, of course they are. It's a war zone. Everything's just being settled. It's a war zone.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I can I can picture y'all.
SPEAKER_01:Completely. Yeah. The Oklahoma National Guard showed up, and the violence and destruction had subsided, and now there was around 10,000. Greenwood residents who were completely displaced and their entire existence had been destroyed simply because a young man had to go to the bathroom.
SPEAKER_02:Ten thousand. Ten thousand. Wow. I'm disgusted right now.
SPEAKER_01:Now the death yeah. The death toll is not completely accurate, but it is believed to be anywhere from a hundred to three hundred, which is a huge gap.
SPEAKER_03:Fuck NA Lynn.
SPEAKER_01:And that's white and black combined. The Red Cross, though, uh, they got involved and they registered 8,624 people. 183 of these were hospitalized for gunshot wounds and burns. 531 required first aid and surgery. There were eight miscarriages reported because of this, and 19 died while under the Red Cross care.
SPEAKER_03:This is the biggest fuckery I've ever heard.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, this is worse than Rosewood.
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, but by far.
SPEAKER_01:But Rosewood happened after.
SPEAKER_03:So we did not have uh lived in fear for 70 years after Rosewood, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_01:Well, they're they're gonna pretty much do the same here. Yeah. In less than a year, Red Cross had set up a hospital for black patients, and this was the first in Oklahoma's history. 191 businesses were destroyed and 1,256 houses.
SPEAKER_03:That is during this fucking insane.
SPEAKER_01:Another 215 houses and businesses were looted. So that means they just went in there and just took shit.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. They felt yeah, they felt like they had the spoils of war. We can take over this whole community and all their fucking livelihood.
SPEAKER_01:Property damage totaled at 1.5 million in that in in 1921 money.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:In 1921 money. That's like what, like 10 million now? Probably.
SPEAKER_03:How much was it? Closer to a billion.
SPEAKER_01:Uh 1.5 million in 1921.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, that'd be like 100 million, wouldn't it? Closer to a billion, I think. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And$750,000 in personal property destroyed.
SPEAKER_03:I don't believe any of that. I think it's fucking way more than.
SPEAKER_01:No, this was registered. This was this is what was filed. Right. We'll we'll say that. Yeah. Now the Red Cross helped set up camps for the displaced to live. So everyone was living in tents for quite some time. I think it was like a year. All these displaced residents.
SPEAKER_03:Here's what you get after this, even though the dude was just trying to take a piss.
SPEAKER_01:At least they had that because if the Red Cross hadn't gotten involved, they would have been just completely homeless and say fucking.
SPEAKER_03:Completely homeless. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
unknown:Shit.
SPEAKER_01:This riot and massacre was brought before the grand jury, and several witnesses were heard over a 12-day period, but no one was ever convicted. There was a meeting held to raise funds to rebuild this community, but that never really happened. Not like it would have been not like it was before. And the Green Ridge District would be rezoned for an industrial section.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. They wanted that spot, right? This is doing good. Let's take this area. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Now, just like Rosewood, the Tulsa massacre was rarely mentioned in history and wasn't really talked about again until the 70s. So this was brought into recognition about a decade before Rosewood was.
SPEAKER_03:Wow. Let us know if you haven't heard anything about this before us.
SPEAKER_01:Landon, have you?
SPEAKER_03:I haven't. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:I have, but it wasn't brought to my attention until I was in my 30s.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, fuck. I mean, I just found out about this with talking about Rosewood with my coworker. And he's like, yeah, but what about Black Wall Street? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:In 1996, 1996, this happened in 2021. Uh, this was the 75th anniversary of the massacre. A commission was formed to start reporting and detailing uh the account so that it would be documented for history and historians. Right type purposes.
SPEAKER_03:So you mean 1921 to 1996?
SPEAKER_01:What did I say before that? 2021.
SPEAKER_03:You said this happened in 2020. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, well, time, time, time.
SPEAKER_01:Time, time is crazy. Time is a theme. Time, time, time, time. Now, this commission was first named the Tulsa Race Riot Commission and then later renamed Tulsa Race Massacre Commission because it was more than a riot. It was a fucking massacre. Yeah. Right. In 2001, the commission recommended action for restitution. Because, yeah. The report asked for direct payments to survivors, their descendants, uh, and for a scholarship fund, establishment of an echo economic development, and now the historic area of Green Road District is a basically a memorial, and the reburial of the remains of the victims was put also in this commission uh for the victims of the massacre. So they wanted to basically dig up and find unmarked graves and bury everybody in one state.
SPEAKER_03:You know what's crazy about society? How fast people forget.
SPEAKER_01:So fast.
SPEAKER_03:It's insane to me.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's just like that chick that I keep bringing up with the foil hats. She says things that we moved on too fast from. And she'll bring in points of history or things that happened to individuals that were famous or things like that that we just moved on a little bit too fast from because holy shit, that's a big deal.
SPEAKER_03:You know, a five deal. Right. A five-minute plug once a month to people and just be like, oh yeah, by the way, we need to make sure that everybody is equal. We need to make sure that you respect everybody. Just a five-minute little conversation with anybody at any stage in life would really help fucking set everything equal and put a balance to humanity. Just a quick five-minute fucking conversation once a month would be fucking great. Come on, people. Do a quick little grab you by the shoulder. I know you're only 10, but I'm gonna tell you something to make you realize at your level that everybody is equal. Every human being on earth. We're all the same.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. It doesn't matter that one race of people were sold to this country. That doesn't make them any less of a person. They're still a human being. We all bleed the same blood, we all have same the same internal organs. We are all human beings.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, under the sun.
SPEAKER_01:Nobody's less or better than the other.
SPEAKER_03:Give people respect, you know? And if they're shitty people, just fucking walk away and tell them to fuck off and leave them alone. Whatever. But give everybody the same respect as you walk up.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Now, whether they are cool or not, whoever they are, whatever, that's that's their integrity and their personality and whatever might not fit yours. You can always just walk away and not say a damn thing.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Just be done with it. Okay, I got you. I can I can feel your vibe and I can see it on you, and I'm just gonna dip out and just leave you alone and keep peace and let you be you, and I'm gonna be me. That's just the respect that everybody needs to give.
SPEAKER_01:Well, and you know, okay, so this happened in 2021, and then we talk about what happened to Emmett Till. And around that time, you know, so this is based on what I saw in the movie The Help. And I know that this is historically accurate.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, that pie was so good.
SPEAKER_01:Well, but they had so this is that's almost 30 years later, and now at that time, they had to use, they had, I mean, like employers were building separate bathrooms for their black employees.
SPEAKER_03:See, and if they would have let everybody if they would have just let everybody just be equals, that wouldn't even happen either, you know. People would would have had jobs or whatever, but there wouldn't be no diversity in the middle of it, you know? You're gonna let a woman hold your kid and and you're gonna let her but she can't use the same bathroom. But I'm gonna I'm gonna be a uh milkmaid to a to your child.
SPEAKER_01:Uh wet nurse is what they called it. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_03:No, come on.
SPEAKER_01:Or eat at your table. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So fuck.
SPEAKER_01:Now, the most I could find out about uh reparations uh was there was a$105 million private trust that was set up for descendants in 2025. Over a hundred years later. You can't do this. There's there's nobody left, first of all, of the people that actually went through this. It took a hundred years. Over a hundred years.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, by the way, we can't give it to anybody because there's nobody left. Oh, we're gonna hide that to somebody else. Oh gotcha.
SPEAKER_01:Well, in remembrance of this horrible, horrible occurrence. Uh the Tulsa Historical Society has set up a virtual exhibit that is open to the public for free. And you can look at photos, listen to audio recordings, documents, and other resources online.
SPEAKER_03:That should be there forever.
SPEAKER_01:Forever. Black Wall Street took 10 years to be rebuilt, and like I said before, it was not the same as it had been. And there's only one original building left standing, and that is Vernon AME Church.
SPEAKER_03:And that community could have com it was a competition for amazing gain. That they would have just been completely thriving. That whole area would have been just amazing, and they would have been imagine where they would be now.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it was a like Landon said last week, the Rosewood community probably would have been just fine through the depression. This one would have too.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_01:Completely because these communities thrived off each other. They weren't trying to one up in uh, you know, each other. They weren't trying to be better than the other, they worked together to thrive as a community. So they would have made it through these difficult times that were you know set in the future.
SPEAKER_02:Why can't we get more of that? Yeah, just like we saw in the movie, though, like Rosewood, like the the black mother, the one that ends up um Sarah Carrier. Yeah, she ends up dying and everything.
SPEAKER_01:She died in a standoff. Yep.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but she still had respect enough to not tell that the light the white woman was lying.
SPEAKER_01:The white woman was cheating.
SPEAKER_02:Even though she was scared, but she had respect because she was like, What would happen to her?
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:If I told that she was cheating.
SPEAKER_01:And it still happened to her.
SPEAKER_02:The fear itself really.
SPEAKER_01:No matter, I mean, she tried to be discreet and it still backfired, and she still died.
SPEAKER_03:And she's standing on the porch and she's like, Some of y'all, I helped raise your kids.
SPEAKER_01:Help raise your kids.
SPEAKER_02:And she's like, Y'all all know this white woman was cheating. She's being a floozy. Yeah. Yeah. And she slept with a white. She was a harlot. A harlot. That white woman was probably too scared to sleep with a black man. Let's be honest. Back then, like you're a lot of people a lot of white woman women did sleep with black men.
SPEAKER_01:And vice versa. Yeah. And vice versa.
SPEAKER_02:Vice versa. But also there was the white women that were too scared that got beat by their race racist husbands, you know. They're too scared to sleep with a black man. So they would cheat on them because they got beat and they didn't feel love. And they would cheat on them with a white man.
SPEAKER_01:And it's also just an actual occurrence are reoccurring thing through time. You know, a lot of people are unfaithful. And unfortunately, during this time period and throughout time, they could blame another race to make them look like they were accosted by somebody, yeah. Or to make them not be held accountable for the trans aggression.
SPEAKER_03:I can get away with this if I say it's a black man that did it. Shit. Oh. Garbage ass people, I swear to God.
SPEAKER_01:So that concludes the coverage of the Tulsa Massacre or the Massacre of Black Wall Street. There's a few different names. The Tulsa Race War is it's also called that.
SPEAKER_03:And all this history should live on forever.
SPEAKER_01:Because that is and it should be taught. So I'm gonna say this inseparably, so we don't repeat it because history right now is trying to repeat itself in a different aspect, but it's still trying to there's there's still it's it's so much.
SPEAKER_02:It's it definitely should be taught because I was never taught this in school.
SPEAKER_01:I wasn't either I never learned and now I've told y'all things that I was taught that wasn't taught to you guys because I did have a good history teacher, but I knew nothing about Rosewood, I knew nothing about Black Wall Street. You know, there's a lot of things out there that we weren't taught.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there's a lot of shit. I didn't know.
SPEAKER_01:I wasn't taught that Christopher Columbus was a piece of shit, you know, or Andrew Jackson.
SPEAKER_02:I wasn't even taught about the Holocaust in uh regular private school. I was taught about the Holocaust in uh public school and heart to heart.
SPEAKER_01:Which is fucked up because all everybody should be taught about the Holocaust.
SPEAKER_03:All that just doesn't need to fucking exist. So Lindsay, I just I I'm done with all this bullshit. Fucking done, dude. Keep sharing all the knowledge and keep it really at least once a month. Just plug it a little bit, you know?
SPEAKER_01:And I already have some cases saved for next year's Black History Month because we're gonna keep plugging this. We're never gonna stop talking about it. It's unfair, it's terrible. I'm ashamed of it being a person in the Caucasian category. I don't look Caucasian, but I am we're not ashamed of our heritage.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, we are who we are. No, we are.
SPEAKER_01:I am ashamed of the heritage, but I am we are who we are. We would not be those people if we had been born in a different time period.
SPEAKER_03:No, but um, thank you though, Lindsay, for sharing everything, and we're gonna keep it going. I mean, I really love sharing the knowledge. I hate hearing your fucking story, but at the same time, I gotta say thank you a little bit.
SPEAKER_01:And I think what you mean by not being a shame of our heritage, um we're we don't really want to be classified in that type of category.
SPEAKER_03:No, I don't want to live in shame because of the color of my skin.
SPEAKER_01:But also, we don't want to live in shame because our ancestors did something, even though at the same time, I am ashamed that that happened. I hate that that happened. Yeah, there's no. Right.
SPEAKER_02:We go based on if you're a cool person and and and we don't see that you're a piece of shit. Yeah, you can't control what your ancestors did.
SPEAKER_01:No, not at all. No, not at all. I I a hundred percent agree with that. But at the same time, we need to make sure that this does not happen again. And we we have the knowledge, and we need to share the knowledge and make sure that we can do whatever we can to prevent anything like this happening.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. Share all the knowledge and you know, just keep it in rotation, you know, share it with everybody. Be proud of who you are, no matter who you are, no matter what color you are, be proud of who you are and be good people. That's what I'm pulling. Boiling down to it. Doesn't matter what my ancestors did, which I mean, it's a whole technical conversation, but there's nothing to justify because it all boils down to yourself, if that makes sense. So I have a band to play.
SPEAKER_01:We wouldn't be in that, we wouldn't be in that mob. We wouldn't be in that category.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we don't need we don't need to dispel any of it. We know we're better people, so we don't fucking need to even fucking justify who we are. We're good people. That's all it boils down to. I have a band to play though.
SPEAKER_01:Yay! What are you gonna play for us?
SPEAKER_03:I have some amazing music that I wanna play.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So this band is Septarian, and the song is called Threshold, and it was brought to me by Megan, the singer from Alabama. So you guys are gonna fucking love this. Well, Lindsay's gonna definitely love this. Alabama! Alabama is gonna fucking meddle it up, dude. It's gonna be so good, I can't wait for it. Oh my god, Lindsay. Holy shit. What a journey. That was a whole song journey.
SPEAKER_01:That was like tool.
SPEAKER_03:That was like a whole journey. Just to wrap everything up and just you know, metal can be a perspective too, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And to put to put all that together and that emotion is what we really live by. Like I I I relax to that. I don't know how how do you relax to that? I do. I do too. But it's culturalistic too, right? I mean they're they're grasping everything that was uh written in heavy music.
SPEAKER_01:They're from Alabama.
SPEAKER_03:They're from well, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_03:You love it?
SPEAKER_01:Good for you guys. Yeah. Alabama fucking death metal.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, thank you for sending that. I love it. I love it. It's a journey. And um putting all that together and just being able to grasp that. I mean, of course we love the heavy music. We love all music. Thank you so much for creating such an amazing jam, dude. That was really good.
SPEAKER_01:So on their Instagram, they are, like I said, from Alabama. The lead singer is Megan H. And then Nick T and Joshua C are the guitarists, and John M is on the face, and Kenneth G is on the drum.
SPEAKER_03:Ooh, Kennedy G on the drum.
SPEAKER_01:Kenny G on the drum. Now, real quick, we're just gonna uh plug in our plug. So uh our main website is drinkabout something at the site. On Instagram, we are drinkabout something on uh Gmail, we are drinkaboutsomething at gmail.com on TikTok we are drinkabout somethingpod or underscore Lindsay on TikTok. Where we do live once a week.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, for sure. You know, if you're on YouTube or whatever, just type in Lindsay J and E S E Y and you will find us it's very easy. Thank you so much, Landon. Thank you for being part of this. You know, it was just it was amazing, and everything that you do and you be part of.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you, thank you. Yeah, thank you guys for letting me be on the podcast. It's very cool. Yeah. And all these stories that I've never heard before.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Lindsay, you really do break me so much all the time. And we gotta let you go. We're gonna see you guys next time. We love you so much. And uh, Landon, you get to say it this time. Bye! Bye.
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