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Hey Jesse! Hey Lindsay! What are you having to drink today?

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It's a crown vanilla and some energy drink, something rather. I don't know. We mixed it all up and did all kind of cool stuff. What are you drinking over there?

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I've got a green apple white cloth. So delish. So crisp. Put them in the freezer for a little bit because it's been warm today.

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Yeah, it has. Doesn't it feel like spring?

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It's gonna be warm tonight or warm today and then freezing tomorrow.

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Yeah. 80 something degrees right now, and then tomorrow's gonna be 30.

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Wow. 38, 37, I think is what the weather said.

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Mm-mm. I'm not ready for that. It's like, just don't even go outside. It's too much of a difference.

unknown: 0:43

No.

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And we we spent the day with the fam. We had a little barbecue, little walk around the trail over in Fanning Springs where my parentals live. It was a nice day. Yeah. Nice day. Lindsay grilled the buggers. Yes. Yeah.

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I was trying to get in there. I couldn't get in there. They were delicious. I got it.

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Well, on the Blackstone, like it was.

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You wanted to rock the Blackstone.

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Well, it was also like it didn't really need no help.

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No, it didn't. You had it.

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So go ahead and roll that intro, boo. Intro? Yes. Let's get this thing started.

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Like the whole Friday weekend thing. It's like happy.

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Happy Friday.

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It's happening. Yes. It's happening right now. Right now. Happy Friday, everybody. Happy Friday, everybody. So, like, when you tell me to go like fire, go ahead, just start it. Like, let's just get into this. That means this is going to be one of those. And I don't know if I'm ready for one of those. The last one was one of those. And I'm not for I'm not ready for this, that, these, or those.

SPEAKER_02: 2:05

Well, first though, uh, you know, I'm gonna ask you, what made you feel oh this week?

SPEAKER_01: 2:12

I think we need to have a little chime in, like, what made you feel oh this week? Like something like that.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I try to change it up every week to a different tune.

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Oh, so riding around with Silas, and I pointed out that with five dollars, I used to go to the store and buy like a shit ton of food and candy. A sackful. You had a whole armload. Like you had a drink, candy bar, chips, probably a slim jam, and and whatever. Like you had money left over after that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:44

Well, you could buy a whole meal at a fast food restaurant for less than five dollars.

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A whole bag meal, yeah, for sure. But the number one combo was like$4.15 or something like that.

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I was about to say, like when I was a teenager, I remember getting a McDonald's meal for less than five dollars. The whole meal, the burger, the drink, the fries, all of it. Yeah. Taco Bell, everywhere, anywhere.

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Anywhere. Yeah, that's why I'm saying like a number one combo meal anywhere was like early fours. And now you need at least 10. At least, yeah. I show up there like 15, 18 bucks. Yeah. You know, get the medium or whatever, you know. You get them extras. Yeah, the extra medium. I do. I mean, but yeah, that made me feel old. It was just like monetarily making me feel old. Like, you know, back in my day, boy, you know, said the whole thing, you know.

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So well, we could also get a lot for a dollar.

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Yeah. I used to get those, remember those little football chocolates? Mm-hmm. They were like a uh penny candies, is what we called them. Yep. They were they cost a penny.

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And we talked about that before on here. And you could get Debbie cakes like four for a buck.

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Yeah, quarter cakes is what we call it. Yeah, we called Debbie cakes was was quarter cakes. That was yeah, run on down the store and get you some quarter cakes.

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Debbie cake and a you-hoo. Dad used to combo.

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He did me five dollars. Here you go, boy. Go on down the store and get you some quarter cakes. That's what he'd say. And it was like a mile walk, but we went down a dirt road, you know.

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So it was a well, I mean, we were burning them calories, though. I had to walk too to the store by my house.

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I'll get like a two-liter, four Debras, pack of chips, all in a bag coming back goof booting. I mean, it was new boot goofing, man.

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Well, five dollars was like 20.

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Yeah.

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Back in back in our day.

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We came back and chilled out, played with my Legos, and ate my Debras. What made you feel all weak?

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How's weather days? Okay, so this week we lost, we lost a couple of great people, but um we lost Robert Duvall. And I was at work when I got um, when I pulled up, you know, that he had passed. And I kind of announced to the server aisle at the restaurant I work at that Robert Duvall had passed and not one motherfucker knew who I was talking about. They looked at you like, huh? They're like, hell? And there was a there was a girl working that's close to my age, but she to be fair, she really doesn't like associate names with the actor, you know.

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It's just so Carl Childers' dad finally passed away.

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Yeah. Otto Captain Call from God in 60 Seconds. Did you see that I watched that like three times throughout the night last night? I guess we started it because I kept going to sleep.

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You damn sure did. No, lump some dove was like a big thing in my family. My my dad loved Western movies and he loved watching his old western. So we watched a lot of that. I mean, Robert Duvall in there running around doing his things, and that kind of hit on with me too, for sure.

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And then he was Vince Vaughn's dad in Four Christmases. Yeah. They try to install the satellite dish. That shit's so funny. Tim McGraw's in that bitch. Shushy boy.

unknown: 5:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 5:56

They're wrestling and beating his ass in the living room. I love that.

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What would they say? Call him Orlando. Yeah. And I don't remember what his name is.

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They named him from wherever he got his kids where he was. They were conceived.

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For Christmas is a great movie. It's a, it's, we have to watch it every year.

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I think we need to watch it again now.

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I know. Well, we uh like I said, I um had a few drinks last night. We watched some game, we ate great food, watched uh some Game of Thrones, and then when we went to bed, Jesse like is I mean, like as soon as he hit the pillow was snoring. I had a long one. And I was like, I want to watch Gone in 60 Seconds. I think I made it through the opening song before I was gone.

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You were gone in 60 seconds, literally.

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And then I woke back up at three because we went to bed kind of early and was I felt fully rested. So I'm like, I'm gonna rewatch this movie. I was gone again.

SPEAKER_03: 6:50

Lindsay, does that make you feel old going to bed at our age at 10 o'clock?

SPEAKER_02: 6:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause I'm a midnight girl, like every night. I'm a night owl. So yeah. But last night we were I I put in a full day yesterday. So we both did, yeah. Yeah. I put in a really full day on my day off. So let me tell you something. No, are you ready to go to Germany with me?

SPEAKER_03: 7:16

Germany, huh? Germany. This is cool. Kind of feels like a board game, but okay. No, but I mean stories, and you know, about a yeah, okay.

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So today we are drinking about Armin Mivas. And uh Armin was born December 1st, 1961. In this is gonna be so long. He so he was born in Essen, North Rhine, Westphalia, West Germany. That's the whole title of the city that he was born, uh, to Waltrad Mivas and her then boyfriend Gustave.

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Okay.

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So Waltrad had two older boys from previous failed relationships, and she worked as a housekeeper while Gustave was a police officer. The two married about a year after Armin was born, and when Armin was about eight, he was outside, he was playing with his his little bestie, and he heard the door slam, some arguing, and his father walked out on his life forever.

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Excommunicando.

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Yeah, and not too long after, like his brothers were older, they left as well. So Armin was just left alone with his mother, Waltrod. Now, after all this happened, they moved into their vacation estate, which had been in the family for a while, and it had around 44 rooms completely. It was like 30-something bedrooms.

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It was a mansion, so they had some money.

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Yeah, well, it was in her family, from what I understand. And this was a large estate, and it was just them two.

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And what time was this? What era?

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This was in okay, so he was born in 61. So this was about late 70s when they moved into here, okay? Okay, and this was in uh Wussefeld, which is a part of Rottenburg. The area of this estate only had a population of about 25 at the time. And it was only like there was only 30 people as of 2001. So very small, little, uh, they called it like a hamlet. Yeah.

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Okay. So a lot of money, a lot of just they they had it going on though.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But Armin, uh, he would be almost grown around the time that they moved to this area. But growing up after his father left, Waltrod had made Armin like completely dependent upon her. It's a little bit of a Ed Geen and his mother type relationship.

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Under his under her wing. Under her eye. Under her eye, yeah.

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Now, after his father walked out on them, Waltrod now despised men and would constantly uh humiliate Armin every chance she could.

SPEAKER_03: 10:26

And this is still like communist Germany, right? This is before the fall of the Berlin Wall.

unknown: 10:31

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 10:31

This is late 70s. I don't know when Berlin. I didn't look I didn't look that up.

SPEAKER_03: 10:34

Yeah, I think 81. Oh, okay. Yeah.

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Now she would make him wear uh laterhosen, like well into his teenage years. She made him do all the housework and she called him Mention, which is a German female nickname. What? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 10:53

So that's like something I need to talk to my cello player about, right? There's there's gonna be a lot of references.

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Yeah, and we can we can talk more about that in our recap. Yeah. Yeah on Wednesday. So when he got a little older, she would insist on going on dates with him. And when he was around 20, like she named all the all the rooms in the house. She gave them like their own name, and his room would translate to children's room.

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So she wanted to keep him a child.

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A child. And this was when he was like almost 20.

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Oh, this is unhealthy.

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Very unhealthy. Now, after being abandoned by most of his family at a young age, he began, Armin, he began to have very disturbing fantasies. Cannibal fantasies. He wanted to eat his friends so that they would never leave him. And also, he felt that he would absorb their characteristics that made them likable.

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So kind of take in their power, right?

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Well, yeah, so he was not very he was not a likable person because he was really weird and his mom, you know, was domineering and made him weird pretty much. So yeah, he felt that he was gonna absorb anything that made them likable so that he would be likable.

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This is gonna be bad, Lindsay. Your Saladin is very much so Saladin.

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And he started having these disturbing thoughts around eight years old.

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Really?

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Yes. Well, he says between eight and twelve.

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I watched a full interview with him. So it's full set, like full on his being is is developed into this manifestation of whatever is going on in his mind. I don't know. He needed to get out, he needed to go play, needed to go, you know, well, he had you know, friends.

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I I'm not really sure I don't know what happened.

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How that got tied into it. Yeah.

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So he, you know, like I said, they grew up in in in Essen, and but they would visit this vacation house that they ended up moving into in Westerfeld, and there was neighboring farms, so he was exposed to animal slaughtering. And which is very strange to me because I myself grew up, you know, being around a slaughterhouse and and witness a few slaughterings, and never have I once ever thought about eating people, but I have listened to cases about other cannibals where this does apparently affect your mind.

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Maybe there was a culturalistic conversation with an old man that was slaughtering a pig and saying, Hey, you know, you're taking in this animal, it's going to be part of you, it keeps you alive type thing, or something crazy like that. And he took it and twisted it, you know?

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Well, he was also obsessed with the story of Hansel and Gretel, which I was as well. Oh. But he was obsessed with the witch eating the children part. Where I just thought it was a cool story that, you know, they threw that bitch in the oven and and saved their own lives.

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Right. He liked the witch eating the children part. A very big and predominant story, you know, that goes back so many years, but in that area it was really big. Wow.

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He was also obsessed with Robinson Caruso, which I'm not really sure a lot about the background of that guy, but I know there was like a cannibalism story in that novel.

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Yeah, we didn't get that part whenever we watched it, or the books and stuff. We didn't we didn't get it.

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So he was very lonesome as a child, like I said before, and he created an imaginary friend named Frankie. And he would also create imaginary scenarios where he would eat Frankie, his imaginary friend. And also have sexual fantasies about Frankie.

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So it's the whole big salad.

unknown: 14:54

Yeah.

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Trying to ease you into this.

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This is not easing in, it's going really fast. Lindsay.

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And uh we took a quick little break, real quick, and Jesse did look up. So you said East Germany was communist, right?

SPEAKER_03: 15:13

No, East Germany was Republic, right? Where was he from?

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He was from West, so they were more democratic.

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Democratic and communist was West West Germany. Right. Yes. No East. He was from West. He was from West.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Whatever. You forgot that fast. Well, the East and West and that and this. But yes, that's why they had the Berlin Wall still there to separate communism from a like a democratic type uh republic. That I don't remember what they what'd they call that regime. Anyhow, but yeah, there's just some history right there, yeah.

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A little bit, yes. So he kept all these thoughts to himself for quite some time. And between 1981 and 1993, he served as a contractual, is that contractual soldier in the German army, and he was stationed right outside of Rottenberg. So he still went home to mother every day. Every day. He was engaged for a very short time and dated another woman as well. But Armin says it didn't last because uh the woman that he was engaged to by uh that's what I mean. So that didn't last very long because she was too much like his mother. He was too, she was too much like Waltrod.

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Oh, and it was an uncomfortable competition type thing. Like he didn't like that at all.

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Armin had specialized in computers and ended up getting a job as an IT specialist at the data center bank in Castle. And this is spelled with a K, not like Castle, but Castle.

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So it's a K.

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It's K-A-S-S-E-L.

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It's moving on up to the 80s now. Yeah. Okay, so is the follow of the soul.

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Well, like I said, between '91 and '93, this is what he did.

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Okay. Yeah. All right, cool.

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Everyone knew that Armin, uh, everyone that knew Armin, excuse me, said that he was very polite, very professional, and a very dapper man. Like he he dressed nice, took care of himself. And he was also, tell me what this reminds you of, a trusted babysitter.

SPEAKER_03: 17:21

Doesn't this fit so many personas already? Why do you got to why do you got to fit all of these the salad, right?

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Salad. Well, he was a trusted babysitter for the community. He related better with children, and he also taught drivers Ed, and he was even Santa Claus at Christmas.

SPEAKER_03: 17:39

Is this Germany's Ed Gean over here, Lindsay? You're fixing to tell me about.

SPEAKER_02: 17:43

No, it's just his his persona and his mother was very gain-ish, but the rest is definitely different.

SPEAKER_03: 17:52

Yeah. Well, I mean, like all the little aspects on him, kind of just holding his head down, doing his job, being an upper dapper kind of guy.

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Yeah, they said that he was very just, you know, submissive. He was just, you know, a go-along to get along type of guy.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Now he did have a little trouble with the alcohol, though. He had wrecked two vehicles under the influence and received some DUIs for that. And behind closed doors, he obsessed over Vietnam War documentaries. He read articles about Fitz Harmon and Jeffrey Dahmer. And we will be covering both of those guys in the future, just saying. And you know about Dahmer a little bit. You don't know about the other guy. I know.

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So that's late 80s, early 90s. That's what I just said. Yeah. Okay. I'm putting it together here. He's gathering things that fits his persona.

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We're gonna get a little, a little, a little more sick here. Okay. He delighted in torture porn and would even cut out images of humans from magazines, like porn magazines, and make collages of them and hide them in a grill. He would also make fake human body parts out of Marzipan. And he made like little amateur videos. Yeah, it's crazy.

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If you could only see my face right now, I know.

SPEAKER_02: 19:15

I was going nothing but downhill from here, buddy.

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Oh man.

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He would film personal fetish videos where he would pretend to cut himself up and hang himself like upside down. And he would use ketchup as blood. Now, after his mother passed away, he became fully invested in carrying out his fantasies. And he also realized that he was bisexual, but mostly he was into men. Like he was mostly gay. He did, however, which is also this is also very gain. Uh he did dress in wall.

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I know I knew it. I've been over here waiting, Lindsay. So I'm calling it. No, you're just not letting me have this because I'm calling it because it is completely different.

SPEAKER_02: 20:05

It is. I know the story. You don't.

SPEAKER_03: 20:06

Well, but so far, so far. I know. So far. Yeah. I don't know about no nipple belts fixing to come down. No, no, no, no.

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Like I said, completely different story, a lot of the same beginnings.

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He just didn't have his mom all made up upstairs.

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Well, he would dress in Waltrod Drag for a while, and he made like a whole shrine dedicated to her.

SPEAKER_03: 20:25

Now I'm interested. Walt Waltrod Drag.

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So is that like a Waltrod is his mother.

SPEAKER_03: 20:30

Okay. So he would dress up like mother. Mother.

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You got that voice down path. Tell your children not to come my way, mother. Well, in 1998, uh, children, and I hope children aren't listening to this. And when I say children, I mean people that are 18 and up. Uh before our time, we're in our 40s. Uh, this is 1998 was when the world wide web was flourishing. It was still new, still very uh open to pretty much anything. Anything you wanted to look for, you could find.

SPEAKER_03: 21:07

What was your chat name on your first EO? You know, I don't remember. You don't remember? Lindsay.

SPEAKER_02: 21:12

It was very basic. It was probably like Lindzina Cole. Like I still use Lindzina Cole for pretty much everything. Guess who I was? Oh my God.

SPEAKER_03: 21:20

I was sideshow Bob.

SPEAKER_02: 21:22

Oh, okay. That makes sense. Because you had the dreads.

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I had the dreads.

SPEAKER_02: 21:26

Jesse was very ahead of his time, and he he had dreads back in the 90s. Yeah, I was late 90s.

SPEAKER_03: 21:32

So and and I used to chat with You wanted to be Zach, right?

SPEAKER_02: 21:35

From Rage. You wanted to dress like Zach or like corn.

SPEAKER_03: 21:38

And I mean there was just so much new metal. Well, yeah, because JD, he had the dreads. Everybody had the stuff. Monkey was my I was.

SPEAKER_02: 21:45

Yeah, they all had dreads and corn except for the drummer. Yeah.

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But yeah, um, so I was Sideshow Bob and then uh Sunshine, something or other, I used to chat with, and then I don't know who she was, whatever. We never even talked about any of that or where she was, whatever. But we would get into groups and we would sing songs by chatting. You know, like a little bit of uh like lyrics, and then somebody else had to put the next lyric and all that. And I thought that was the coolest thing ever. I don't know where I'm talking or who I'm talking to in this world. And I'm actually typing in and it's just random people in a chat room. And we used to get like 30, 40 people in there. It was like, wow. Now it's like 30, 40 people. You know, I'm gonna end my live stream now because there's not enough people, but back then that was cool as shit.

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Well, that's very cute and very wholesome. But this, however, is not is not. So he discovered chat rooms on the internet of like-minded people. Like I said, he's got cannibalistic fantasies. Oh his favorite forum was the Cannibal Cafe. In these chats, he would be able to talk about his fantasies. And what he wanted was to find a willing volunteer who wanted to be killed, dismembered, and eaten. Landsey. Or someone to maybe even do this to him. Landsey. I have to say this. He wanted a consenting individual.

SPEAKER_03: 23:11

This is some dark website. You gotta give him this. This is some dark web shit.

SPEAKER_02: 23:15

Well, it wasn't even the dark web back then. It was just the web.

SPEAKER_03: 23:17

Yeah, it's the beginning of it. I mean, you're getting that fucking crazy, and it's like free will. I'm gonna talk about this and get away with it. And I want to kill somebody and eat them, or you can do me. I don't care, whatever. I just want it to happen. Fuck, I was just talking about psalm lyrics and goof booting on there.

SPEAKER_02: 23:32

Right, like I said, yours is very wholesome, very cute. Fuck. This is not. Now, in 2000, Armin would post 60 advertisements on Nullo, which was another forum, that he was looking for a well-built man uh between 18 and 30 who would be slaughtered and then consumed. Willing and consensual. You gotta give him that much. No, but he got about 30 responses and interviewed, like basically interviewed them, but none were really sincere in caring, going through with the whole ordeal. And he didn't force himself on anybody, he was very respectful. If they met up and they weren't really into what he wanted to do, he didn't hurt anybody, he didn't force anything on anybody. In his mansion, he created a slaughterhouse or what he it was a room dedicated to what he wanted to carry out, and he called it, you know, basically the slaughter room. He had him a toy box. Yes. Oh, and uh, by the way, his handle on these forums was Frankie. Frankie? His imaginary friend.

unknown: 24:52

Holy fuck.

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He also posted these advertisements on Cannibal Cafe. After a year of disappointment, he finally found someone who was willing for real. This man's name was okay, so it's spelled Berned, B-E-R-N-D, Brandis. But my one of my favorite podcasts, uh last podcast boys, um, Marcus pronounced it like Baird. So that's what I'm that's how I'm gonna say it because it's very German and not just basic burned.

SPEAKER_03: 25:26

I'm thinking Baird. Bernard. Bernard.

SPEAKER_02: 25:28

Yes, Baird.

SPEAKER_03: 25:29

Yeah.

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So Baird was a little older than what Armin wanted, but he kept that to himself. Baird was the only child of a wealthy family, but he had lost his mother at a young age. So, how he lost his mother? His mother was in the medical field, and she had accidentally uh, or somebody died on her table, basically, and she was having a hard time living with herself and she got into a car accident, but kind of intentional, it was seemed to be unintentional, or it was seemed to be intentional.

SPEAKER_01: 26:08

Yeah.

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And Baron's father basically kept that from him. But after that, he was pretty much raised by au pairs, and uh when his father remarried, he really didn't get along with his stepmother. Baird was also gay, and after his father disowned him when he came out, this caused him to develop a lot of self-loathing issues, and he would become obsessed with wanting someone to castrate him.

SPEAKER_03: 26:40

Really?

SPEAKER_02: 26:41

That's how much he was ashamed of who he was, which is very sad. But you gotta think this was still a time where being gay was still taboo.

SPEAKER_01: 26:52

Yeah, this is like 90s, right?

SPEAKER_02: 26:54

Uh yeah. Well, this was early 2000s.

SPEAKER_03: 26:57

Oh, that part?

SPEAKER_02: 26:59

I would have just been like it's still we were still, we were still just getting to the point where it was being accepted.

SPEAKER_03: 27:09

Right. Don't look for acceptance in anybody, be yourself. Be yourself. Fuck all everybody else.

SPEAKER_02: 27:16

Now, Baron had tried to have a relationship with a woman, but he did cheat on her with a man, uh, and she found out about that and she left him. Now he would turn to many sex workers and even tried to pay very large amounts of money for his penis to be bitten off.

SPEAKER_03: 27:38

So he's created some big psychosis.

SPEAKER_02: 27:41

There was like one person, I don't know. Um oh fuck. Where's your phone? Units, units. Uh, he was willing to pay, was it units?

SPEAKER_03: 27:53

Marks.

SPEAKER_02: 27:53

Marks.

SPEAKER_03: 27:54

Yeah, marks.

SPEAKER_02: 27:55

10, whatever 10,000 marks was, was he offered to one sex worker. Right. Okay. 10,000 marks. Yeah, one sex worker was asked to cut his member off with a knife, but they did refuse. I think this was the guy that he offered that amount of money to. I mean, that's that's a lot. First of all, you're having to go out here and make your living doing these types of things. And then some dude's like, I want you to cut off my penis. It's very uncomfortable. I couldn't do it. Like, no, no matter what amount of money you handed me, there's just still certain things that I could not do. When Baron and Armin connected online in late 2000, early 2001, Baron had been in a relationship with a man named Renee and living with Renee since 1998. So he was a couple years then. Armin and Baird started emailing each other daily about their uh plans. And uh Bern, he didn't want to be slaughtered per se, but he did want to be castrated. So they came to a compromise. You castrate me, and I'll let you kill, dismember, and eat me. And I want us both to enjoy my slaughtered penis together.

SPEAKER_03: 29:16

Before.

SPEAKER_02: 29:17

Before he died.

SPEAKER_03: 29:18

Right. Wow.

SPEAKER_02: 29:20

Like I said, so he wanted to be he wanted to be alive for that part.

SPEAKER_03: 29:24

Yeah. This is bad. Wow.

SPEAKER_02: 29:28

The day before they decided to meet in person and carry out the plan, Baron told Renee uh he was getting a hair transplant and was taking the next day off work. What Renee didn't know was that he sold his car, wiped his computer clean, and made arrangements to leave everything to Renee. His money, his possessions. He was pretty wealthy.

SPEAKER_03: 29:53

Right. And he was fully setting himself all the way up, fully committed. This is going down. This is really gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02: 30:00

On March 9th, what day is that?

SPEAKER_03: 30:06

March 9th? Oh my god, Lindsay. Lindsay. Lindsay, no, Lindsay. Oh man, that's Gen Z Day. I know, that's our anniversary, by the way. This happens on March 9th, Gen Z Day?

SPEAKER_02: 30:25

So on March 9th, Armin picked up Baird from the castle. Oh my god. From the castle Wilhelms Wilhelms show. He picked him up from the train station.

SPEAKER_03: 30:37

Nail it there, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_02: 30:39

Yes, kick his ass. Armin uh had wanted the two to have a relationship and live together for a while. But Band, he was like, he was angry. I'm ready to do this.

SPEAKER_03: 30:49

I'm fully motivated. Don't change my mind. Let's get this fucking shit over with.

SPEAKER_02: 30:52

Right. He was like, no, all this happens today.

SPEAKER_03: 30:56

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 30:57

So Armin had everything set up already anyway. Uh so he was like, okay. He had video equipment for filming. He had six knives, a hatchet, and a meat grinder all laid out, and a full instructional video on how to butcher a human male downloaded from his computer.

SPEAKER_03: 31:18

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02: 31:20

WWW was very, very open back in those days. I'm gonna reinstate this again. Like you would have to go to the dark web to find something like that now. I would hope. Anyway.

SPEAKER_03: 31:29

Yeah. Wow. Oh, I'm oh, I'm trying to oh, Lindsay. I'm going to the plant over here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 31:42

Robert's ready and waiting for you.

SPEAKER_03: 31:44

I know what I think now it's the time that I'm going over here and speaking to Roberto. The plant.

SPEAKER_02: 31:51

So when they get to Armin's house, they get acquainted. They made out for a while and uh then set up everything to carry out the fantasy. Baron wanted Armin to bite his penis off, but Armin was unsuccessful. Wow. So it's happening. Yeah. So it was going to have to be done with a knife. So to reduce the feeling of pain, Baron drank a bottle of Vic's cough syrup. And uh after that, he actually like he felt like or that Armin, excuse me, was a little too quote benign to actually hurt him. He felt like Armin was too nice to actually do what he wanted to be done to him.

SPEAKER_03: 32:44

So there's already like biting and everything already happened, right? And unsuccessfully stuff's already, and he's like, dude, get this shit over with. You're being soft.

SPEAKER_02: 32:53

At this point, so he has Armin take him back to the train station. What? And then he changed his mind again when they get to the train station. And I'm speculating here, but I think in Baron's brain, he was like, How am I actually gonna go back? How am I gonna go back after I've left all these? Like, I've sold my car, I've left this note for Renee saying you get everything uh, you know, pretty much dead.

SPEAKER_03: 33:21

Is he partially mutilated right now?

SPEAKER_02: 33:23

Not yet. I mean, can he have tried to be? They have he uh so he Armin has tried to bite off the weenie, but it didn't work.

SPEAKER_03: 33:31

So I mean he didn't try hard enough to mutilate him in on the ween. I mean, is the ween all mutilated?

SPEAKER_02: 33:37

The plan was after the biting off was unsuccessful, that he was going to cut it and then Barnd drinks the cough medicine. But then while that's like taking its effect, Baron, it feels like Armin is not really uh serious enough about doing what he wants to be done to.

SPEAKER_03: 33:56

So he's half mutilated at the train, he's half cocked at the train station right now.

SPEAKER_02: 33:59

Well, he's just bitten, and he isn't half cocked. He's not we're getting there.

SPEAKER_03: 34:03

I know it feels like hanging dangling like okay. What the fuck? Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 34:09

Now, so now they have left the train station again and going back to Armin's house. By the way, this is a two-hour trip.

SPEAKER_03: 34:16

That's a lot of talking in between. So there's a lot of talking, a lot of awkward happened between here and there. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02: 34:21

On the way back to Armin's, they stopped and bought some more Vicks, um, Vivinox sleeping pills, and Baron started taking them on the way back. And he was still not feeling drowsy.

SPEAKER_03: 34:35

It's Robotussin, everybody. You're supposed to do the Robotussin, not the VIX.

SPEAKER_02: 34:39

Which well, this makes me think that maybe um Baron had a substance abuse problem because none of this is working for him thus far.

SPEAKER_03: 34:48

But if it had been Robotussin, like, okay, I'm not gonna say that I've taken a bunch of Robotussin before, but he was basically Robotripping because Baron did tell Armin that he was having hallucinations. Right.

SPEAKER_02: 35:00

That's what I'm trying to he wasn't feeling painless just yet. So then when they get back to Armin's, he also drank some schnapps to add to the mixture that he had already consumed. So Armin then attempted to cut off his member, and it took a few whacks until it finally happened. Now Armin says that Baron cried out in pain for a few seconds, and then he was sad that it didn't give him the euphoria that he was hoping for.

SPEAKER_03: 35:33

He's manifested something way more sensual in the very sensual.

SPEAKER_02: 35:38

Like this was sexual for both of them, if I haven't made that clear. All this is a sexual turn on for them both.

SPEAKER_03: 35:45

Right. Which is crazy because I figured Satan would be involved somehow in the middle of this.

SPEAKER_02: 35:51

Well, side story really quick. Um, Armin did live next to a Satanist for a while after they moved to the estate. And um, I don't have a lot of background on her, but she was very into the occult and they were close for a while. So she moved. Yeah, she was actually involved, like she sold spells.

SPEAKER_03: 36:13

Wow.

SPEAKER_02: 36:13

Yeah. She was involved in a murder trial because the dude had bought a kill spell from her, and it didn't work. So he just killed the person, like himself, and then got her involved because her spell didn't work. Oh fuck. Yeah. So that was Armin's neighbor for a while.

SPEAKER_03: 36:31

I want my money back, damn it. This didn't work. I'd have physically do it.

SPEAKER_02: 36:35

What the fuck? Right, right, right. That was how it all went down. So, anyways, Armin says that Baron cried out in pain for a few seconds. Then he was sad that it didn't give him the feeling he was hoped for. So Armin bandaged up his wound, and then they would both attempt to eat his penis raw.

SPEAKER_03: 36:55

Oh my god. I'm glad we didn't eat before this. Oh my god, yes.

SPEAKER_02: 36:59

By the way, I hope you haven't eaten, or I hope you don't plan to eat after you listen to this episode. I hope your tummy is already full. No, I think everybody should go get some sausage, man. I have a little thing to say about that episode.

SPEAKER_03: 37:13

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02: 37:15

But it was too chewy. So then Armin decided to gourmet that shit up and went and pan-fried it with some garlic, some wine, and some salt and pepper.

SPEAKER_01: 37:28

Was he really like skirmin? Pork, pork, pork.

SPEAKER_04: 37:36

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02: 37:39

But then it was too bad. Get it?

SPEAKER_03: 37:43

Oh, Lindsay, stop it. No, we can't joke on this. This is bad. This is really bad. These are two consenting adults. Well, yeah. Don't be the yuck to anybody's yum over here.

SPEAKER_02: 37:57

So it was it was inedible. It didn't work out.

SPEAKER_03: 38:01

Don't plan this. Don't don't plan this. Don't plan this. It's not gonna work out great for you. No, no.

SPEAKER_02: 38:06

Please do not uh think that eating your own genitals is going to be okay.

SPEAKER_03: 38:13

What is that thing from um oh fuck? What was it? The sp the spongiosum, where he's like piercing the thing. What movie was that? Uh Stranger Things, where he's all like piercing the dude's fucking You mean Strangeland? Strange Land, not Stranger Things.

SPEAKER_02: 38:31

I was like, Stranger Things is the show.

SPEAKER_03: 38:33

Yeah. Strange, what yeah, Strange Land, where he's all piercing. He's like, this is the spongiosum. I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 38:38

Don't bring up that movie right now because I'm already a little queasy.

SPEAKER_03: 38:41

No, I'm trying to bring this to light. No, Lindsay, you brought it to me. I'm thinking about all this writing.

SPEAKER_02: 38:44

We can't have a double feature here, okay? This is bad enough.

SPEAKER_03: 38:48

That was bad too. That's what I'm picturing right now with just them two right now.

SPEAKER_02: 38:53

Now, by this time, Band is bleeding out and getting very weak. And I'm sure the sleeping pills, the Vicks, and the Schnapps had also made him very weak.

SPEAKER_03: 39:04

Alcohol alone thins your blood for sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 39:06

So he tells Armin, quote, if I hold out till morning, we can still have my balls for breakfast. You get one, I get one. Unquote. He also Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03: 39:24

No, don't black at me. He's just staring at me like ma'am. Well, I don't want to say it, but you know, I'm saying it. With my whole face chest right now.

SPEAKER_02: 39:33

He also, uh, Barnd also wanted Armin to use his skull as an ashtray. Like that was a suggestion.

SPEAKER_03: 39:41

You're supposed to eat out of it like a bowl, man. Come on.

SPEAKER_02: 39:45

That is very geen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 39:46

Well, this is the ween, but the geen. Oh.

SPEAKER_02: 39:52

Now Armin makes Barnd a bath to bleed out more comfortably. And while this is happening, he sits down to read a Star Trek book. Like he just goes to read. And he checks on Baron about every 15 minutes. And after two hours, Baron is still alive. And he lays down on the bed in the slaughter room. He then tries to go to the bathroom. He's memberless. He tries to go to the bathroom around three in the morning and collapses from the blood loss. And Armin assumes that Baron is now deceased. So he begins the cutting up of his body.

SPEAKER_03: 40:37

While dude's not really dead. Lindsay. Lindsay. This is all on video.

SPEAKER_02: 40:44

No. This it did go out to the public. But yeah. There's some stills that you can find.

SPEAKER_03: 40:49

But oh my God.

SPEAKER_02: 40:54

Now he does stab him in the throat first to uh, you know, to bleed him completely out. Like he puts him upside down, drains the body just like an animal. And then he cuts up each body part according to the instructional video. This whole process went on for about four hours, and like I said, it was on video. Oh my god. He packages all of Baron's meat just like an animal and consumes parts of Baird over the next ten months. He stored the meat in a false bottom in his deep freezer under frozen pizzas.

SPEAKER_03: 41:35

DeGiorno is covering him up right now. What the fuck? Yeah. Oh, it's not delivery. It's De Jorno. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 41:48

He buried a lot of the bones around the property and ground some up to make flour. So he also had like human bread. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 42:00

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02: 42:01

He felt as though he had absorbed Baird and was better at math and speaking English. This is what he says. What? Yeah. He's becoming a fucking genius over here. Barron's family never reported him missing, but his boyfriend Renee did. But there were no leads because he wiped everything clean.

SPEAKER_03: 42:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 42:26

Yeah. Now when Armin started getting low on groceries, I laugh. We both laugh because this is very uncomfortable. So Armin gets low on groceries. So he set out to find another person who had who would be willing, just like Band, because that was very important to him. He was not going to force himself on anybody.

SPEAKER_03: 42:47

Yeah, the addiction though is heightened. He really fucking got off on that shit.

SPEAKER_02: 42:52

It finally, his fantasy came true. Now, all of these men, you know, that would respond again, uh, they would back out, and most of them ended up just as like, you know, regular sexual encounters. And a lot of them just had BDSM fantasies. None of them wanted to really be slacked.

SPEAKER_03: 43:13

Yeah, we're just in here having fun. I mean, what the fuck? But I mean, oh my goodness, Lindsay, holy fuck.

SPEAKER_02: 43:20

You're he's I mean, to be fair, he put out an advertisement of exactly what he wanted.

SPEAKER_03: 43:26

Yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 43:29

Not, I'm not. Please don't misconscrew this as like, I think what he did was okay, because I definitely don't. But he did not force himself on anybody. He did not do anything that he was not told that it was okay to do.

SPEAKER_03: 43:45

Yeah, but eventually he still committing a lot of fucking unhumane crimes. Yeah. Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_02: 43:52

Well, on July 9th, 2002, an Austrian university student was curious. Browsing the internet using the search words of horror and uh nervous thrills and found one of Armin's advertisements. He reached out to Armin and asked if he had actually killed anyone. And when Armin said yes, this student reported Armin's email address to the police. Armin's handle was Frankie. So it took about two months for them to figure out that Frankie was Armin Mivus. Well, on December 10th, 2002, Armin was arrested and police got a search warrant for his house and found the evidence, which included the meat and a lot of those fetish videos that he had made previous to. But they didn't find the one of him and Baird. So they had the meat tested to make sure that it was human. So wow, this took about 24 hours. So Armin was actually released during that time period because they really had nothing to hold him on. And so Armin lawyered up. Well, when the meat was tested as human, um, he did admit everything to his lawyer, and his lawyer was like, holy shit. Yeah. And he advised him to just go ahead and confess to the police as well and turn over the video containing Bairn's slaughter. So the police also found where the bones had been buried. So they got, you know, some dogs to sniff around. They found out, they found all the little spots. Now Armin was diagnosed with schizoid personality, not schizophrenia. It's a little different. But was deemed fit to stand trial. Cannibalism wasn't illegal, it was just a taboo. And Baird had given him full permission to kill and eat him. So he was charged with manslaughter. And he was sentenced to eight years at first. Then there was a retrial because this was like holy shit to the regular to the rest of the world.

SPEAKER_03: 46:22

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 46:23

Right, right, right. So there was a retrial in April of 2006, and he was then charged with murder because he could possibly re-offend. He really hadn't uh gotten rid of those fantasies, and they were like, he's gonna keep searching for another person.

SPEAKER_03: 46:41

Obviously, he was seek he was seeking out the he's there now, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 46:47

And uh Armin was re-sentenced to life in prison. He was not eligible for parole, and all of his appeals were denied. Now Armin has studied law in prison and helps fellow inmates with legal matters. And uh he sings in the prison choir.

SPEAKER_03: 47:09

Oh, he found he found Jesus.

SPEAKER_02: 47:11

Yes, he finds he is he's he thrives in there because he was never accepted by anybody else. And he's kind of popular in there, like he was popular online when he was making those videos and talking to like-minded people, so that was his safe space, if you want to call it that. And then in prison, you know, he found solace.

SPEAKER_03: 47:36

Yeah, he felt like that was his positive outreach. He was getting good feedback and he felt good about that in his chats and his things, yeah, and brought it all the way to that. And then now he's in a spot with a bunch of broken people, and he feels like he can help him out. Right, probably should have just got a job as being fucking a prison guard or some shit. Counselor. There you go, be a prison counselor, you would have been way better off, dude.

SPEAKER_02: 48:00

So after all this happened, there was uh some music that was inspired by Armin Muse. Romstein has a song called Mindtill. Mindtill, which happens to be my favorite Rommstein song.

SPEAKER_03: 48:18

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02: 48:19

Isn't it though? That's yeah. Wow. So do you remember sending me this or sending me that video? And I was like, he's already on my list. And then Jesse, you and I were on the way back from Georgia one night. I don't know if we were coming back from a powwow or coming back from JoJo's when she lived there. And I put on a podcast. This was when I first got into them. And we were listening to this case, and we had to turn it off because Landon and Silas were still very much awake, and we were like, oh, this is rough. Turn it off, go back to music.

SPEAKER_03: 48:57

Wow. I was probably tired and don't remember. Yeah, no, it was a long time ago.

SPEAKER_02: 49:01

It was like eight years ago.

SPEAKER_03: 49:02

But I do remember Rammstein and like they have written some songs about some shit. Yeah. Wow, this one though?

SPEAKER_02: 49:09

Yeah. And the video, the music video for this song was only allowed to be played after 11 p.m. Uh for German MTV. Wow. Marilyn Manson said that Armin was the inspiration behind his album Eat Me, Drink Me. Fucking hell. And uh Father Ozzie has a song called Eat Me off of his album Ordinary Man that was also inspired by Armin.

SPEAKER_03: 49:39

Huge inspirations. But there's no movie about this.

SPEAKER_02: 49:41

There's no, it is speculated that Hugh Grant wanted to make a movie where he would play Armin and Brad Pitt would play Baron Brandis. And then Matt Damon and Benicio del Toro were would also be in this film, but it's said that Armin's lawyer said no. But the lawyer, Armin's lawyer, actually disputes these claims. But no, there has not been a movie that I could find. There used to be. Damn. Armin's estate was burned to the ground by Arson. Now it had been vandalized throughout the years since all this happened, but it was burned to the ground by Arson in 2025 by a 20-year-old, and he only got two weeks in juvie for burning down that 44-room mansion.

SPEAKER_03: 50:33

Why didn't they make it like a fucking hotel? Like, do we need more murder hotels? You know what? I couldn't find any in Florida. Like Lizzie Borden or whatever. I was looking for of course our anniversary in March 9th. Yeah. Uh for you and I to go stay in another murder type hotel or whatever, or house, or whatever. Nothing. Or we can call it true crime. Yeah. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that would have been awesome too for us to go over and spend a night in a BNB, something or other. Could not find anything cool in Florida like that. Really?

SPEAKER_02: 51:08

No. There's no Lizzie Board in house.

SPEAKER_03: 51:10

No, there's some stuff like near O'Cala. There's a couple cool places here and there. We'll we'll we'll hit them. We'll hit a couple of them, you know. And of course, you know, like St. Augustine and stuff. I've been searching, which has been not that I'm dragging ass about our anniversary that's coming up, because of course we're gonna do a podcast while we're out there and doing our weekend together. But I haven't found anything really staply cool, you know, like really fucking tangible, like a Lizzie boarding in Florida. Oh that suck. Yeah, don't burn down the fucking houses anybody. You know, make them a fucking B and B. Buy that shit.

SPEAKER_02: 51:43

Well, I mean, it wasn't like I said, what he did was bad, it was horrible, yes. But it wasn't like he was kidnapping or doing anything that was not consensual. Yeah, not saying that it's cool, but actually. No, it's not whatsoever. But he did not force anything on anybody.

SPEAKER_03: 52:03

At the same time, Lindsay and I would have fucking went there and spent the night. So not saying that it's cool, but we would have damn tripped in there.

SPEAKER_02: 52:10

Beautiful estate. And I will post pictures and stories.

SPEAKER_03: 52:13

So that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. Yeah. But to use to use that platform as for uh true crime awareness and to have a place that you can go to and do your your fun true crime ghost hunting things, whatever. Right. That's you know, that's just what we're about these days.

SPEAKER_02: 52:30

Well, this man just had deep mental health issues that needed to be addressed, both of them, right? Both Armin and Baird. They needed they had mental health issues that needed to be addressed, and the awareness, we're just getting into that in the last few years. Right. You know, people are just right.

SPEAKER_03: 52:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 52:49

And that's why there are less and well, I won't I don't want to say less and less because there's still true crime every day. But things like this, like Baron yearned to be mutilated, and Armin yearned to mutilate.

SPEAKER_03: 53:04

Generationally, there's no real big difference between the salad in him and Ed Gean. Generationally, like, there's a lot of the same aspects.

SPEAKER_02: 53:15

A lot of the same as I mean, and Ed Geen, he was obsessed with a war criminal. That inspired him to make skin artifacts, you know? Wow. So that's crazy. And that does conclude today's story. Oh fuck, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03: 53:34

I'm gonna do it. I mean this is this is a bad one. We had fun, we made it.

SPEAKER_02: 53:39

Maybe a little bit.

SPEAKER_03: 53:42

Yeah, my whole face was unfaced. But thank you, Lindsay, for sharing this salad. No dressing. Only DeGiorno. Yeah, that was what it was.

SPEAKER_02: 54:02

So to cleanse our palette today, what band have you chosen for us to listen to?

SPEAKER_03: 54:06

We got something really cool, and I want you to check this shit out. I have brought you Real Ties by Schmiddy, and I don't want to mess up his last name. It's C-A-C-C-Z.

SPEAKER_02: 54:20

Yeah, we tried to look up the pronunciation and it kept giving us caca. So that's not it.

SPEAKER_03: 54:25

And then there was another thing that kept talking about pizza. I don't understand that. I swear it did. So, but we're gonna play this shit, and you're gonna fucking love this joint. It's fucking badass. So check this stuff out.

SPEAKER_04: 54:43

Shall I niggas? Y'all know y'all know this real shit.

SPEAKER_00: 54:58

I got real ties to the streets, all it do is humble me. Making all this fast money, that print is my company, can't focus on everything. This shit just comes to me. This ain't what I chose, man. But this is who I'm gon' be. I got real ties to the streets, all I do is humble me. Making all this fast money, that pranks my company. Can't focus on everything. This shit just comes to me. This ain't what I chose, man, but this is who I'm gon' be. Black bandit, making give it up. Yeah, I'm that bastard. We from the streets, cause I wanted to be trap master. We gon' get it by any means. Yeah, I'm that nasty. They try to extort it, don't see them no more. Chopped cheese. From my favorite corner store. Shout out nominate. If I do it, keep me lit. Smoking on the gas. You know I roll splits. Neighborhood full of plugs, we're full of trips. This is how it was. I wonder if niggas remember me. Let's take a trip, travel up the abs. I strive to be different, no, I strive to be myself. We're competing with that. Water by leading on me for the cap, stain on my teeth from the drugs. So what I love or more than me. We don'll live the same life. I don't gotta be righteous, tryna maintain, don't fuck with my vice. I know yours, but that's not the topic, it never is. Shout out all the rips, I love y'all from the bottom of my heart. I really mean it, got me through the hardest times. Gang no, I'm in the front lines. If you ever need me, shirt off my back, shoes off my feet. If I got it, you got it. Never greedy, strictly the team I preach. No, I'm better than the pastor I teach. You can be better than me, I see it in you, but you don't want that the midnight. Look, I'm black, I'd done been there, I'd have done that, but you can't comprehend the simple thoughts to run back. I got real ties to the streets, all deal with humble me. Making all this fast, money that prints my company. Can't focus on everything. This shit just comes to me. This ain't what I chose, man. But this is who I'm gon' be. I got real ties to the streets, all deal with humble me. Making orders fast, money that prints my company. Can't focus on everything. This shit just comes to me. This ain't what I chose, man. But this is who I'm gonna be fantasizing about the life we thought you was gon' have. I took half. Said you ain't need no mask, right? Who taught you that? Where you learn that from? He can't come around here. He likes to play with guns, but you don't get that. Flash you with the switch, turn the lights on. Niggas is blinded by fake shit. Take the back roads, turn the lights off. We gotta make it home, but you don't get it right.

SPEAKER_03: 57:28

That was really cool. Dude, that was like amazing hip hop. I love that.

SPEAKER_02: 57:33

Very raw, raw, very like undergroundish, very hip.

SPEAKER_03: 57:36

Like he brought that. That was what's up, dude. Love it, love it. Share it.

SPEAKER_02: 57:43

Send us uh a message back, Schmidt, and let us know how you say the last part so we can we're gonna do a deeper dive into it for sure.

SPEAKER_03: 57:50

Yes, you can find him on Instagram, you can find him on everyone.

SPEAKER_02: 57:53

Yes, I don't have my phone with me because I'm letting it charge so we can do our live.

SPEAKER_03: 57:56

Yeah, yeah. I mean, we literally was looking up his last name earlier and it pops him up. So immediately, yeah, yeah. So C A C C Z. Yes. Schmidtie.

SPEAKER_02: 58:07

All I would say would be Cogs. Cox.

SPEAKER_03: 58:09

Cox. I I didn't want to mess it up.

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Caggs. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I love it though.

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We not like that. Do we need more lyricists that really tell some real ass stories?

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Yeah, that was a story.

SPEAKER_03: 58:21

That was an amazing story of some real shit. Looks like he's been through some real shit, and he's probably telling the real shit. Oh man, I love that. The real Dilio. Good stuff. Thank you so much. And Lindsay, this story. Let's go pick up some frozen pizzas, man, after this. What do you think? I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_02: 58:45

No thanks. But uh before we sign off, I want to um put out our plugs really quick. So uh we our main website is drinkabout something.sight. On Instagram, we are drinkabout something. Uh if you want to send us an email, we are drinkaboutsomething pod at gmail.com. And if you want to watch our TikTok lives weekly, drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay. Am I missing anything?

SPEAKER_03: 59:11

On YouTube, type in Ginzy. Type in Gin Z E-N-D-S-E-Y.

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Where you can check out our audio and we do have visual recaps once a week.

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Yeah, and then we do some live, so yeah, yeah, check out all follow all the stuffs and share all the stuff.

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All the stuffs, please give us a share. We really appreciate it. And for those of you that have been with us through the beginning, we appreciate you. Or from the beginning, yeah. Yeah, uh, we appreciate you, and please keep listening, share, like, subscribe. I feel like do all the things.

SPEAKER_03: 59:43

Some of our followers have real ties. Yeah. I love that song. That song is vibe. It was really good from the heart.

SPEAKER_02: 59:51

I'm uh drinking a natural lime Vista Bay right now. That's very good.

SPEAKER_03: 59:55

Yeah, I'm out of mind. I gotta do another one. But Lindsay, that was a great story. Uh the music was was fucking fire.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:01

I don't know if that was a great story.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:02

It was a disturbing stirring story. Stirring story. But thank you guys so much. And we're looking for another number one fan. So we can see some.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:11

So we can study some merch.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:12

Yeah, we just sent some to Mad Dog, and we sent some to your your friend, Caroline. Caroline, and we just keep we keep giving back because you know this is.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:20

Mary's gotten some. Jenny Haynes has gotten some who we actually covered her case. And she is um she is on the socials like a lot right now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:30

A lot. And they're working on that documentary and stuff, and they might plug us in on that. That'd be cool.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:34

Yes, yeah, I would definitely uh, yeah, we'll keep you updated on where and when you can watch that, her full documentary.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:40

Yeah, we'll hit her up and say a little hey, because uh she's been very receptive to our podcast, and that's the only survivor now that we've talked to that has responded back. I need to reach out a little bit more. I haven't, I mean, but we haven't found a lot of survivors to reach out to.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:55

Yeah, I've only cut covered a couple of them.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:57

Well, we've supported some and we've bought merch from some and uh uh several. We've talked about it in our previous podcast, so check all that stuff out.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:05

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:06

Yeah, not gonna be reaching out to this one though. Your nails sound amazing on the microphone. They're beautiful though.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:14

If you've gotten to this point in the pod, um comment if you are watching a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms and what your thoughts are. Because we're all coming up on the season finale. Ooh, it'll be But by this time, uh by the time this comes out, it uh it will have wrapped up.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:29

It will be the past.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:30

But so we can talk about that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:32

Yeah, and shout out shout out to the nan to the Nancy at the nail salon in fucking Walmart. Yes. What was that nail salon there? Regal. Regal. Yes, she got you an autograph. Got you a little shout out.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:44

Uh Melly and uh Lam Hong, yes. Yeah, they're amazing people.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:48

Shout outs due to where the shout-outs are due. This podcast is brought to you by the nail salon because Lindsay keeps going clackity-clack on the microphone. Now I think now I think she wants DeJorno. Nah, fuck that. We ain't heating that shit up. We're gonna go get some dominoes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:04

Bye, Matoni Nadu. I did it anyway. Lindsay Haven. We were singing that earlier. But we're gonna sign off because we got some more things to do, and we love you guys so much.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:17

I love it. This is gonna be a great evening. Happy Friday, everybody. We love you so much, and Lindsay wants to say it. Bye.