Drinks, Banter & Zumba Vibes

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey Jesse.

SPEAKER_03 0:01

Hey Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 0:03

What are you having a drink today?

SPEAKER_03 0:05

I have some smoke wagon. And it's from Las Vegas. And it's a like a smoked bourbon. And it's pretty good, but it's fucking strong. So I got on the ice over there just chilling. What are you drinking?

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Well, I was gonna say the uh the liquor store salesman got you on that, huh? Well, he got you on a BOGO.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

It was a BOGO, yeah. I mean it's good, but it's just like 91 proof or something. So and it's not that it I don't mind it, but the the smoke flavor and the harshness and everything, I just I kind of want to chill it down a little bit with some ice, and that's kind of what bourbon drinkers do sometimes. They just like, you know, the ice changes things, and it's a good thing. What are you drinking over there, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_00 0:46

So I am having a grape vista bay. It's my new favorite flavor of the Vista Bay's, and uh I had a lot left over from last weekend's stockpile. So I'm like, I'm gonna drink those before I break off into white claws.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

So we've left the world of Bambo Lam. We've been doing black cherry and black.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

No, we've had grape on here. Jojo and I had them when she was a guest.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

What was the other black one? You have a black cherry. Blackberry and black cherry.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

And then there's a raspberry. I don't want to beret.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

Oh, yes, that was a raspberry beret. I always said parade, did I? Yeah. But I don't want to leave the world of Bamba Lamb. Maybe I can go up with hairy cherry or some shit. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Well, this one's really good. It's like uh I said before, um, it tastes like well just grape juice or grape soda.

SPEAKER_03 1:32

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

So you want to get that intro rolling, or did you want to? Oh, Jesse has something to say really quick before we get the intro rolling.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

I'll say it a little bit. I just wanted to party with you, Lindsay. Okay. Just a little bit of party. Party, party time. I think Lindsay has something in store for us. Holy shit. Happy Friday, everybody! Easy there, Lindsay. You're going ham over there. You were dancing your ass off. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Well, you know, Bad Bunny, uh, his Super Bowl halftime show. Loved it. And you know I love Latin music. Yeah. He has single-handedly inspired me to do Zumba again. Really? So I've been doing Zumba for two weeks again now, and I've added that to my my already. So I was doing like 30 minutes a day of like some cardio and some Tabata and stuff like that. And now I've added, I'm doing Zumba after I eat lunch. Because you know, I gotta get, I gotta get snatched back up for Rockville because it's it's common.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

See, you should tell him to do Zumba before you eat lunch. That way you and I can have a reggaeton lunchtime around the lake and I can walk with you like I can do it.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

We're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_03 3:02

Yeah, I want to do it. Can I walk with you like I used to do?

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 3:06

Yeah, that was fun. Yes, you know, you know, like when that shit starts hitting, what was that? That was a chocolate one or something. They were speaking about chocolate or some shit. Oh, yeah. And I was dancing, goof booting around the lake.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

We were having a blast in our own ears, sharing headphones.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

We came back the next day. We were like walking around the lake during lunch, and and I was like, Can you play that one about chocolate again? Yeah. So Coco, what was it?

SPEAKER_00 3:30

I don't know. I'll find it again.

SPEAKER_03 3:32

It was so good.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

I saved that playlist.

SPEAKER_03 3:34

And I was dancing, had my little weights with me, and I was I let me some reggaeton too, now the hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

We like well, reggaeton Latin salsa music. Oh my god. I found this one guy. Uh he's under on YouTube, he's under Zumba Sulu. And like he reminds me of my old Zumba instructor. A lot of the same dances, a lot of the same routines. So I've just been like I've been, I've been feeling just a lot better because I love the dance.

SPEAKER_03 4:04

Well, I mean, on any cruise ship, as long as that's playing, it don't matter what age you are. No, yeah. If we try to get out there with them young, them young bucks out there and try to dance with them now to like pop pop music or modern music, we look like a turd in a punch bowl not really.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

We had when we went to that one little party on our last cruise, we we did pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

Yeah. We were kicking ass. But if it's if it's Latin music, you and I oh god, yeah, throwing it back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Throwing that ass. Yeah. Well, I mean I got none, but still, yeah. Yeah. So uh Lindsay, I wanted to ask it first, can I?

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 4:42

What made you feel old this week, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Oh fuck, I done forgot. Oh my god. We talked about it last night.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

You did.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

You let me forget.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

No, I didn't. I was just letting your oldness let you forget.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Okay, that that right there.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

That right there. Yeah. No, you did mention something. I don't remember that shit either, because I'm old as fuck too. So I don't know. Don't fake it, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Oh my god. No, I'm not gonna remind me. Do you remember?

SPEAKER_03 5:07

I don't. No. I'm looking at you with my I don't I don't know eyes.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Come on, Lindsay. Bring it up.

SPEAKER_03 5:16

Lonzy. Lundry.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

Well, real quick, uh, so uh Caroline, one of our number one fans, she messaged me today. She's like, what made me feel old this week was y'all bringing up Robo Robo Trippin' from the last episode.

SPEAKER_03 5:30

That's why I was saying about yes, Robotussin. Gotta get that some of that tussing, some of that tussing in there.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Robotrippin'.

SPEAKER_03 5:37

No, I just I I literally I write mine down every week on her notes. I don't look at what she has on her notes, but I'm like, I just didn't want to feel old this week, so I said nothing. Oh nothing made me feel old this week because I'm not gonna pay no damn attention to it, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Ah, uh, the one that I had. Oh my god, you guys, I'm so sorry. It'll come back to me. Come back around.

SPEAKER_03 6:00

You caught me in like I was like a three white claw in type situation watching Game of Thrones. Yeah, we watched uh the long night.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

Long night, the long night episode last night, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

Last night was almost done.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

We're almost done with our Game of Thrones rewatch, but then we're going right to House of Dragons, so it's like we're never gonna leave.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

I don't think so, because I think there's gonna be more and more and more, and it needs to be more. I want to live in Westeros.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

No, no, no, no. I want to live west of Westeros.

Cruise Dancing, Latin Music, Wu-Tang Tribute

SPEAKER_00 6:26

Yeah. When is that spinoff coming? But hey, we gotta get down to business.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Oliver Grant, which was named as his known as power from Wu Tang Clamp die this week.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

Oh, God. Like I said, 2026 is just is snatching them up.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

Yeah. And as you can see, whenever we do our like recap and stuff, I'll be wearing the Wu Tang shirt because, you know, RIP, dude. I love me some Wu-Tang.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Oh man, they you have a couple of them. I there's a black one that I bought for you as well. They ain't nothing to fuck with. They ain't nothing to fuck with.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

No, 36 Chambers, man, killer bees, man. I was um dude, I've been listening to Wu-Tang for so long. I cannot remember when I first started listening to that music. And it's just amazing hip-hop music, probably the early 90s.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

You know, I never really got on that train with them. I respect them. I know that they're great, a great group, but I just I could not tell you one song.

SPEAKER_03 7:17

Oh, shout out to any lyricists that want to put out something that's just culture and it's it has a it has a meaning, you know. And I love gangster rap and all that stuff too, because we grew up in the 90s, but at the same time, you know, you have some substance in the middle of it. I love that. I just I really love it. So, yeah, R.I.P. rest in power, power. Yes, yes. So uh, Lindsay, you have stories, and I'm not ready for this, dude.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

No, it's it's a rough one. All right, so basically, Jesse said he wasn't gonna say shit about being old this week, and my feeling old this week is I forgot what made me feel old. So there. Maybe it'll come back to me throughout the episode.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

We were just talking about that a couple podcasts ago when it was like we're gonna fake the funk and act like we know what the fuck's going on. I'm glad you're honest on this one, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

I couldn't, I can't, I literally I can't even like go off the hip right now. Like I'm blank.

SPEAKER_03 8:13

But anywho, you're wearing my favorite pants though. So you can't. I am wearing his favorite pants. You're still number one in my book.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

What we're drinking about today, or who we're drinking about today, is um so tomorrow, which when this comes out, it'll be last week. We are going to Scaradice. And uh Elizabeth Kohler, she makes um what does she call these? Scream uh Screamshots?

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Screamshots? Horror shots or murder shots or killer shots. Killer shots. Killer shots is the shot.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

And we're gonna share her Instagram on stories and the picture of this shot glass. So we have purchased quite a few from her. Probably gonna get some more tomorrow. Um, or last Saturday, if when you listen to this episode. But, anyways, so we have a shot glass of this person that I'm that we're drinking about today.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

So thank you, Elizabeth Kohler. I'm nervously outspoken, if that makes any sense. Lindsay would just be quiet and just take in whatever they say. So, like last year when we went there, I came up and I was like, I got to buy some shot glasses. I have to tell you about our podcast because it ties right into our.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

Well, this will be the third time seeing her.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Yeah. Well, the first time we we had talked about it, and then the second time we did a video, didn't we? Was it the second time or second time we did a video? Yeah, and that's yeah. And it was just like, I want to do like this little thing because you tie into our stuff. And I think maybe next year, maybe we'll go set up a uh like kind of split a booth maybe and hang out with her or something. That would be cool. I would love that. At any con. I would like to go to a con and hang out with her just all weekend because obviously she knows our our shit or your shit. I'm just I don't know shit.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Well, the first one we bought um Shelly's, the HH Holmes. Yeah. We bought her shot glass, and then this past year, we just we went ham and bought a bunch of them. And there's two of them that I have that I can't remember who they are. So I'm gonna take a picture of her, take a picture of them and ask her, please remind me who these are.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Yeah, so she does like characters that she she draws like characters on shot glasses, and she has so much more merch and so many, so many more things that are all tied into true crime and just horrific things. And I love her. So if you're ever around Florida area this time, check out Scaradice and uh go to her booth and say hey. Tell her we said hey.

Introducing Dorothea Puente

SPEAKER_00 10:34

So today we're drinking about Dorothea Puenta, and she was born January 9th, 1929. That's the same year that my granny was born. And fun fact, my granny was born June 12th, 1929, and that's the same exact day that Ann Frank was born.

SPEAKER_03 10:53

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

When but when you said Dorothea, like I'm automatically thinking psycho, like American Psycho, where they're trying to go to that restaurant, Dorseia.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

I thought, is it Dorsey? I thought it was just oh, it is Dorseia. Did you get Dorsey? How'd you get reservations at Dorsey?

SPEAKER_03 11:11

Yeah, and they're laughing on the phone while you're hanging out.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

I hope we find a Patrick Bateman while we're at Scared Ice. Yeah, we haven't found one yet.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

I seen it. You were over there buying hot dogs, and there was a Patrick Bateman walk by me, pulling a fucking full-on wardrobe. I'm pissed. That looked like it had a body in it, and he's just walking by, like just scooting around the floor. It was really cool. I wonder if it's the same one that I've seen on TikTok because he looks just like it was it was him in fucking in the flesh, reincarnate in the flesh. I mean, it was dragging the whole wardrobe. I'll have to return some videotapes as he walks by.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

That's what he said on the TikTok. Yeah. So Dorothea's full name at birth was Dorothea Helen Gray. She was born to Trudy May and Jesse James Gray. We got another Jesse in the story. Lands E. There's a lot of Jessies in our stories, isn't there? I didn't want to bring that up, but yeah, goddamn. I mean, he's it's not gonna be here long, but um oh fuck, no. They lived in Redlands, California or Red Lands, Redlands, Red Lands. Uh, she was the youngest of seven children, and Trudy May and Jesse James were horrible parents. They were both alcoholics, abusive, and very neglectful. Like Trudy, she really didn't like being a mom. She had no bond with any of her seven children, and Jesse James just he just didn't like his kids. Like, yeah, it's they were terrible. So fucked up parents. Yeah. Bam. So there's your first ingredient in the salad. There's the lettuce.

SPEAKER_03 12:52

The lettuce. Is it romaine or is it I don't know. Iceberg? It's iceberg lettuce? No, it's romaine in this bitch. Okay, I'll go with iceberg, damn it.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

Now, Jesse was a World War I veteran and had been exposed to mustard gas that really did a number on his health, physically and mentally. He would threaten suicide in front of the whole family on many occasions, like waving his gun around all the time. And by the way, this couple with seven children lived in a one-bedroom house. Lindsay. So you know that they heard all the sexuals all the time.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

Did they?

SPEAKER_00 13:34

I always wonder about because you, I mean, that's you have that many kids, yeah, they're gonna get down. Yeah, they were getting down. Like that is so disturbing to me. I don't know. And you know, and they were drinking, they probably didn't give a fuck. They probably just tuned them kids out.

SPEAKER_03 13:47

Have you ever walked in on your parents though?

SPEAKER_00 13:48

One time and it was fucking horrific.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

They did? Was it a full buck?

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Like no. To be fair, let's get into it. Like when you open their door, there's a mirror to there was a mirror to the right. So all I saw was like them fumbling, you know?

SPEAKER_03 14:07

Like, holy shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

You saw the holy shit. Way too old to not have knocked. I don't know what the fuck I was thinking. I was probably 12. I was probably Silas's age, and I'm yelling at him for the same shit. You know, I have become my parents. But to be honest, like we lock our door. They didn't have a lock. We lived in a mobile home with no locks on the doorknobs.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Has the fear of mirrors, though. I don't understand. You should have had it. So I guess it would be my turn now to share. So um, we had a dog, and we always had dogs in the house or whatever. And the dog was like scratching at the door, like kind of whining, trying to get in my parents. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I lay down next to the dog at the bottom of the door, and I'm scratching at the door. Then I hear my parents. I didn't walk in on them, but they were in there fooling around that at that specific time. I'm acting like a dog. I was probably 10, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

And I was all like acting like the dog. I was like, I don't know why the dog's doing this, but I'm gonna do it with the dog. I kind of hang out and go at the bottom of the door. And they yelled at me, leave us alone. And then yeah, I don't even remember what they said, but that was the moment that a half-ass caught my parents one time. But yeah, that kind of felt weird because I was acting like a dog at the same time. So, well, anyhow, Lizzie, yeah, uh trauma dumps on both of us. Let's go ahead and tell your fucking story here or there.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

So, Jesse, he did receive some army money, but it wasn't really enough to support the family. So, Trudy, she turned to sex work. The kids would rely on neighboring families to feed them. And a lot of these, uh, a lot of the families in their area were mostly Mexican, and Dorothea loved them and considered them family. Like the Mexican fam community was bringing them in, feeding them. You know, they probably were eating some good shit. Fuck yeah. And uh Tamaley. Just remember that because this is gonna kind of be a defining moment for her. Like Trudy lives. The Mexican community is a big staple in her and her stories that she will tell later on.

SPEAKER_03 16:25

Okay. Yeah. So but Trudy was like, she was the kind of freak on the leash. Trudy was a freak on the leash.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

I mean, like I said, horrible parents. Yeah. Trudy Mae and Jessa James were just not for as many kids as they had, they shouldn't have had none.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

Now, unfortunately, there were a lot of times that these kids would just be wandering the streets, and this resulted in Dorothea getting sexually assaulted at a very young age.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

Holy fuck.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

These kids were also made to work in nearby farms to also help out with the household expenses. Like they were doing farm work. Dorothea was a a little girl at this time. She, like I said, she was the youngest of seven. I mean, she had siblings that were in their teens by this time.

A Childhood Of Neglect And Abuse

SPEAKER_03 17:13

But it was all just free range. Everyone sorry for Dorothy. I'm gonna call her Dorothy. Can I call her Dorothy the whole time?

SPEAKER_00 17:22

Dorsey. You can feel you can feel sorry for the child. I'll let you have that.

SPEAKER_03 17:27

I'm gonna call her Dorsey. Yeah, I do feel sorry for all them kids. Yeah. But I mean, kudos for the family to kind of step up, uh, the the Latino family to help them out.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Yeah, right. Uh, so Jesse James, he died in 1937 of tuberculosis. And after this, their mother just took off. And the kids would be placed in foster care.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

So she was a freak awfully.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

Now, you know, tuberculosis is highly contagious. So this family had to go through a quarantine for quite a while. Then when they're released from it, mom's gone. The kids are like placed in um foster care. And well, they're they're they went off to they stayed with different relatives, different sisters, aunts, uncles, things like that. And then in 1938, which was one year later, Trudy May died in a motorcycle accident. Like she had hooked up with a dude from a motorcycle gang. Fucking hell. And died. She was hanging out with the Fonz.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

Except for the Fonz always.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

I was about to say this was the 50s. No, no, this is the 40s. Yeah. Yeah. No, not even that. This is the 30s. This is 38. Holy fuck. It was before the Fonz. Before the Fonz? So, like the 38. That's just wild.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

That's wild.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Because you and I have been, because we're millennials, you know, we're on the we're on the cusp of Gen X millennials. We were just raised to believe that all of this time period was just so wholesome. But it wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 19:06

No. It wasn't. No. No, we're learning. Right. We're here in the middle of by God learning. Holy shit. If it would have been in Fonz, though, she wouldn't have she wouldn't have died because Fonz always landed right. A two thumbs up. Two thumbs up, yes.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

So after this, they were all orphans at that time. And Dorothea and her siblings were then placed in orphanages. And Dorothea would be sexually abused there as well.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

Fucking hell. Yeah. You know. Shitty childhood man. And you're thinking that it's a hard-knocked life, you know, but at the same time, it's way worse than that. You know? In a shitty ass orphanage with a bunch of people that have been abused too. That's what it is. And then that's going down too.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

And all this would affect Dorothy, who would become um at first, okay, so it affected who she became, but at first it just started out with some lies. Like, you know, she had a shitty childhood. So she wanted to create a world that things weren't shitty. So she would say that her parents were amazing people, and she was actually part of the Mexican community. Like she was born in Mexico and she just migrated here. And she was actually the youngest of 17 siblings.

SPEAKER_03 20:28

Maybe she was just trying to collectively grab everybody she could to try to help herself, you know? Well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

You know, I went through a little, a little bit of childhood trauma. Nothing like this, but a little bit of childhood trauma. And I do remember telling a daycare teacher that I had five brothers and five sisters. I don't know why. But like I I do I understand creating like a fantasy world when you go through some trauma.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

No, that's what I'm trying to put out there too, at the same time. I feel like I understand that psychosis. I understand it.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Yeah. It says she came up with a fantasy upbringing that sound but sounded better than the one that she actually had. In 1945, when Dorothe was just 16, she had been living with her older brother, who was now an adult and married, but she ran away. And she did this a lot as a teenager. She had actually one of Trudy's sisters, one of the one of the aunts, I don't know if it was Trudy or Jesse's sister. I don't know. One of the aunts had tried to take in all the kids at one point, but for some reason, the state took them back because there wasn't enough space to house all them, which doesn't make sense to me. They were living in a one bedroom house to begin with. Exactly. And orphanages don't have sufficient space for everybody either. You got kids on top of kids. You get a cot. Yeah. So that makes no sense to me. But whatever. So, you know, uh, the older siblings were grown. So they tried, but she was, you know, a teenage runaway. And she turned to sex work herself to, you know, have an income. Damn. Because she learned how to use what she knew how to use to make some money.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

It was commonly spoken about around her, and she already had it around her to begin with. What else do you have?

SPEAKER_00 22:23

Well, and I mean, I don't know if this is like socially acceptable to talk about, but the the audio book that I listened to about this case said that that was actually like a thriving time for sex work because all of the World War II soldiers were coming back and needed company so they could make a decent living. And these guys were, you know, some of them were taking care of these women. And she met a World War II veteran named Fred McFall, and she was in Washington now at this point. And he was at first just one of her Johns, and they fell in love and they got married in Reno.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

Okay. Well, I mean, that happens, you know, personally that that does happen.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Now, for some reason, Fred thought that she was 30. She's 16. What? Yeah, don't let's not forget that. She's uh 16, and her marriage certificate said that she was 30. And she was going by the name Sherry Al Rasil.

SPEAKER_03 23:34

That's elaborate. Yeah. So the salad has so many ingredients already.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Dorothea had stories for days that she had she had a very wild and vivid imagination of what she felt like her life should have been. And she would tell these stories so much that they would actually like be memories in her own head.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

Right. Manifest manifestation of something that's actually true that didn't happen.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Yeah.

Teen Lies, Sex Work, And First Marriage

SPEAKER_00 24:05

And at first, Fred thought that all of her stories of her life were amazing. But then he's like, this is starting to get like she would start fumbling her lies, and certain stories would change. And then he was like, Well, I kind of feel sorry for her. And he thought that she was just mentally ill at that point. But it did take a toll on the relationship. Now they had two daughters between 1946 and 1948. And she also suffered a miscarriage at one point. And Dorothea, just like her mom, she wasn't really a fan of motherhood and sent one daughter to live with a relative. And the other, she put up for adoption without Fred even knowing. Fred was at work, she had the baby and gave that baby up like that.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Another ingredient. That's black olives to this to the salad, because I don't like black olives.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

I do. Give me all your extra black olives. You're learning to you have been eating them here and there lately.

SPEAKER_03 25:09

I have. I have. Okay, okay. But still.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Now, after this, uh, she would start her life of crime. In 1948, she was arrested for forging checks and was sentenced to six months in jail and three years probation. And at this point, Fred was done. And all this was before she was 20 years old. Holy shit, Lindsay. All of it. Just a youngin' out there. Young'in. I mean, she's already lived like two or three lives before that age.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Yeah. Putting it together, it's like, holy fuck.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

In 1952, she is now going by the name, let me see if I can pronounce this. Teya Singala Nearda. And this fake persona was uh a Muslim woman of Egyptian and Israeli descent.

SPEAKER_03 26:06

Holy shit. So this is like a crime version. Well, I don't even understand a true crime version, our own true crime version of Catch Me If I Can.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Oh well, that's that's that's an actual story, and we are going to cover that. Frank Abignell, Frank Abignell? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. She's running a ruck. She's running amok. Running amok. So then, so after you know, her and Fred are divorced, and she's childless, and she married a merchant seaman named Axel Brynn Johansson. Now that is a name. If there's ever been a name, that's a name. Are you sure he's not like the singer for Guns N' Roses? That's Axl Rose. Oh, well, I didn't know. And you know what? I've never even looked up his actual birth name, Axl Rose. But this is this Axel Bryn Johansson, that's his God-given government name. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

He played in Gone with a Wind or Huh? I don't know. It just sounds like a Gone with a Wind name.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

No. That was Rhett Butler and Scarlet O'Hara. Scarlet O'Hara.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Oh, Johansson O'Hara. Same thing to me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Scarlet Johansson, that is an actress. She plays Black Widow. That's where it got it. Scarjoe.

SPEAKER_03 27:19

I'm trying to put it together.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

It's also the porcupine that sings really the heavy metal music on sing. We love her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

Okay. We love her. I put something together, but I didn't even know I put it together.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

How do you?

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Yeah, well, no, I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

Well, they lived in San Francisco. And now she tells this husband that Fred was a war hero and he died in combat. She also tells him, she's 20 years old. Remember that, okay? Four lives now. Four lives, yeah. She also tells him that she had been a roquette and a world-renowned chef. And she had also been the village healer in Mexico.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

Okay, wait a minute. Keep going, but wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

And she acted, she act, she literally took on a doctor's. She act she pretended to be a doctor to neighbors and friends. Like she was 100% catch me if I can.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Yeah. And if you're gonna claim you're a fucking roquette, dude, I want to see the kicks. Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

Well, I mean, this marriage would be a turbulent one because while Axel was away at sea, she would have other men over and she would gamble away his money. And she was she was heavy into the drink. So yeah, it was a mess. They stayed together for about 10 years, but it was, but she was per he was perfect for her because he was never there.

SPEAKER_03 28:50

This is the most scrambled up fucking wild podcast I think you've ever done.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Oh, it's it's gonna get so much more scrambled. Like my brain is already hurt. I love it though. She also opened a quote unquote bookkeeping business, which was just a front for a brothel. Now, this brothel was kind of like a speakeasy. You had to get invited and you have to have you had to have a code to receive the special. And the special was a$7.50 blowjob. What?

SPEAKER_03 29:21

Like$7.50? Uh-uh. Yeah. Or did it happen at 7 50 p.m. or something? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

$7.50.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

$7.50.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Yeah. Fuck. Now, police got a whiff of this operation and shut it down. And when Dorothea was arrested and appeared before the judge, she was like, OMG, I was in a brothel.

SPEAKER_03 29:46

Oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know I was on that. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 29:51

She said she said she was visiting. I it was a relative or something like that. Like it was their house. And she was just visiting when the whole sting operation went down. And she was just hanging out with some semen. Oh my God. I was in a brothel.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

A whole lot of semen.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Yeah. And well, this didn't work because when the undercover cops had gone into the brothel, she was the one that greeted them and introduced them to her girls. You got seven. She was the madam. Yeah. Oh, she was the queen. Holy fuck. And she only got 90 days for this. Which, you know, it's whatever. That was what, the 40s, 50s, somewhere that I don't even know where first depression, right?

SPEAKER_03 30:36

I mean, I mean, they had done been through the shit.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Well, post-World War II. Now, before her and Axel's divorce, he did have Dorothea committed for binge drinking, lying, criminal behavior, and suicide attempts.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

She shot the fuck out. Yes. Damn.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

And she was diagnosed as a pathological liar and unstable personality, but you know, that was not a time where you could really be medicated for things like that. I don't know.

Reinventions, Brothel Front, And Jail

SPEAKER_03 31:08

In comes the artichoke in the salad, I think.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

The artichoke, yeah. So after the divorce in 1966, all right, we're in the 60s. Okay. I couldn't remember where we were in the timeline here.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Now we're comfortable.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

She changed her identity again to Sharon Johansson. And now she was a devout Christian woman. And she had a boarding house for alcoholics and young women who needed sanctuary for from abuse. And this is a free boarding house because she found a way to get like state funding and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 31:44

And either way, I found Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

Yeah. So she married again to a man named Roberto Jose Puente. Hence her last name.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

Oh, so did he did she actually use her real name on this one? Or because legally she hasn't really even been married yet.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Well, she kept Johansen for a while. Yes, she has been legally married twice now.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

Well, no, she she had a fake name to begin with.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

Dorothea Puente is who she her legend that's her legendary name.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Now this marriage would only last about 16 months. I think this was a green card situation. And um, but the divorce wouldn't actually be final. So this is 1966. The divorce wouldn't actually be final until 1973. Now, Jose had been, he had a wondering eye. He was abusive. So he fled to Mexico after she served him with a restraining order. Now her boarding house on 15 and F Street in Sacramento would thrive. She would hold AA meetings, help the mentally ill, the homeless, and those who qualified. She would help them apply for Social Security and disability benefits.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

So she kind of growed up a little bit and trying to help out a little bit, right? Or is this a cover-up thing? I mean, you can think what you want to think. So let me tell my story. I feel like the salad just got a little tastier. I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

And the Hispanic community loved her. And she donated to charity, to scholarships, and to radio programs. She got up there with famous people. Like she hung out with the Reagans and shit at one point. Now, unfortunately, uh, all that good that she was doing and the money she was donating was stolen from her tenants' Social Security checks. In 1978, she was convicted of cashing 34 state and federal checks fraudulently and was given five years, just five years probation in order to pay$4,000 in restitution.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

Lindsay, just when I thought the salad was getting better, the salad got shittier.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

I'm look- you're looking at a shot glass.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

From a woman who paints shot glasses of serial killers. So here we go. You ready? Very, very cute. We will post a picture of this and tag Elizabeth in stories. Now she had treated the tenants that had given her basically full power of attorney. She treated them really nice and she gave them the best care. But the ones that the ones that kind of fought her on, you know, just taking over their money and shit, they lived in the basement with curtains that separated their space and all shared one bathroom.

SPEAKER_03 34:46

Holy shit. Did the defense have to only pay$750?

SPEAKER_00 34:52

Now, being in trouble uh from all of this did not slow her down. In fact, she's going to escalate. She pretended to be a caregiver to a couple of elderly women that she stole from. And I'm not sure how she got out of that without getting into any legal trouble, but she did. On January 16th, 1982, we're in the 80s now. We're in the year of my birth. Hello. I'm coming into the world in a few months. She's in her 50s now. She goes to a bar named Joe's Corner and she meets a man named Malcolm McKenzie, who was 74. They have some drinks and have some laughs, and Malcolm invites her back to his place. Dorothea, she slipped something into Malcolm's drink that caused him to become temporarily paralyzed. Fuck hell. And this man had to watch because it made it makes your eyes like wide open, but your body immobile. She had to watch her rob him in plain sight. She took his coin collection, his watches, cash, jewelry, and even a diamond ring that was on his pinky finger that had belonged to his mother. Not only did she take that ring off the finger, she tugged at it and tugged at it and couldn't get it off. So she went to the kitchen and got lard to make it slip right off. All while he's watching and can't do anything about it. All right, I'm throwing the salad away.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

The fucking salad is done, dude. We're done with the salad. Go on and bring me my entree. Fuck this salad.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

And then she just left. She just peaced out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:39

Damn. We're done. We know what's gonna happen next. Lindsay, this is fucking the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life. It's gonna get crazier. So what the fuck kind of drug do you give somebody? Was it milk of the pot?

SPEAKER_00 36:51

I think it was called the uh Didroxin, I think is what it was called.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

You're wide awake, but pretty sure.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

That was one of the I mean, she she does a lot. Okay. She knew all the shit.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

Catch me if I can, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

Now, when his paralyzation lifted, he called the police, and Dorothea had actually used her real name this time. And they caught her trying to cash two of his checks that she had stolen. Now, she claimed that he had given those checks to her, and now he was just mad because she had rejected his advances.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

Are you fucking kidding me?

SPEAKER_00 37:29

No.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

No, she led him up to that shit to do that.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Oh, this is just the beginning. I mean, I mean, uh, not even the beginning. She gets out of trouble a lot. That is that is crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

At this point, like she has Because she looks like Mrs.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

Fucking Doubtfire.

SPEAKER_03 37:45

So I don't know what she looks like, Lindsay. I mean, you're trying to paint a picture. I mean, I'm looking at a character. So, what does this lady look like?

SPEAKER_00 37:52

She's got little, she's got short curly hair. Yeah, it's cute to her. Those are the social security checks.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

I like the glasses. There's give me that. Give me that. There's social security checks in the pocket of this. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

Yeah, Elizabeth is very detailed.

SPEAKER_03 38:05

Oh, you Elizabeth, you did great on this now. Oh, what about the mucklucks that she's wearing here? The the boots with the fur.

SPEAKER_00 38:14

I'm gonna, listeners, I'm gonna show Jesse a picture.

Boarding House Angel Or Predator

SPEAKER_03 38:18

No, because you do, because this is cute as shit. I mean, I like the shot glass. I'm just saying. I just uh saying.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

I'm trying to get one of her.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

Lindsay. All right. I wasn't ready for you to show me that. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. I feel like she could come in and cook some good ass cornbread, man. I'm gonna get there. She could cook the fuck out of a pound cake. Are you kidding me right now? Give me just a minute. I'm gonna get to all of that. If she don't make a pound cake in this fucking story, I swear to God.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

She doesn't make she remember, oh, I I haven't elaborated on this yet. By the way, she wanted to be Mexican so bad that she learned the language. She took on a Spanglish accent, and she learned how to cook pretty much all kinds of Mexican cuisine, and tamales was her specialty.

SPEAKER_03 39:18

I don't see that in that picture. You should get it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Exactly. All right. Now, just a few months later in April, she met a woman in this is 82. She met a woman named Ruth Monroe, and uh through the restaurant that she was cooking at. So she was cooking at a restaurant at this point in her life, and they decided to start doing some catering together. Like Ruth was the bookkeeper and Dorothea was the cook. And because she could cook. Like it was like she was, she she was like me. She could throw down. I could tell. Throw down.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

Was the restaurant called Dorcia? Oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

Now Ruth's husband, she he wasn't in good health. And for some reason, she decided to go live with Dorothea while her husband was in and out of the hospital. Now, before the before she moved in with Dorothea, this woman was a picture of perfect health for her age. Then she started getting sick herself. And when her kids would come around to visit, she was always drinking cream, uh, cream de mint. That that drink that we add that we make the grinch shots with. Yeah. So if you mix some cream de mint with some Bailey's, grinch shot. Bomb. So good.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

But Dorothea was telling this woman that this cream de Mint was going to make her feel better because she had some stomach issues, which she never had until she met Dorothea.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

Is she giving her milk of the poppy too?

unknown 40:48

No.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

And Dorothea also said that it would be good for her anxiety. But every time they would come to see her, she would look worse and worse. And it happened so fast, like within a couple of weeks. And on one occasion, her son came to see her, and she was wide awake but unresponsive.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

Oh, I knew it.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

Just like Malcolm had been. And when her son said, uh Dorothea will take good care of you, mom. Tears rolled down her face. She's like completely paralyzed, eyes wide open, and tears rolled down her face.

SPEAKER_03 41:23

She knows.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

She knows.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

Dude, I want to kick just like one of those girls that that the rockettes. I want to kick like a roquette right now.

unknown 41:32

Fuck.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

I want to kick something. I'm going to the plant now.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

Yeah, you need to, because on April 28th, Ruth was deceased. Fuck. I knew it. I knew it. Now she had large amounts of codeine, a tranquilizer, and only cream deminth in her system. No food. So she had not eaten in days. Because there was none, nothing in her stomach, other than those three things.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

Yeah. Fucking hell. This is like the late 70s-ish.

SPEAKER_00 42:06

This is we're in the 80s. We're in the 80s. Oh fuck. Yeah. I told you it was the year of my birth. Oh, yeah. Shit, Lindsay. This is this is the craziest salad, dude. Now her physical from the previous month showed her being in excellent health, and she was only 61. So one month prior to her death, she was in excellent health, and then she's gone. Wow. Dorothea said that Ruth was suicidal because her husband was very sick. So her death was listed as undetermined.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

Got away with it again.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

The very next month in May, she went to visit a former quote-unquote patient of hers named Dorothy Osborne. And she brought over some drinks and said that she just wanted some company because she was so sad that Ruth had died in her home. Dorothea drugged Dorothy and took checks, cash, credit cards, all of her stuff. And when Dorothy came around about eight hours later, she was smart enough to take remnants of the drinks that Dorothea had mixed for her and took it to the police. And once again, Dorothea was arrested. She was about to flee to Mexico, and she had told Dorothy, her latest victim, where she was going. Now she was convicted of three grand theft charges and sentenced to five years.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

Oh, fuck. I knew it.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

But she was only out in like two and a half.

unknown 43:43

Fuck.

Drugging, Robbery, And Suspicious Deaths

SPEAKER_00 43:44

Or she was out in only two and a half years. Like she went in in 1982, but was out by 1985. That's nothing. Nothing. Now, while she was in prison, she had a pen pal from Oregon named Everson Gilma. And he was 77. And he fell in love with Dorothea. And he was there for her as soon as she got out. He was waiting for her. She got out in September, and in October, Everson's sister received a letter from Dorothe saying that the two were going to get married on November 2nd. Now, Dorothea, she went right back to her boarding house at 1426 F Street, and she wanted some remodeling work done. So she hired a handyman named Ismail Flores. She said, Ismail, I need a box and I need it to be six foot by 30 by 30. Holy shit. And I want to store some books in this box. And if you build the if you build this for me, I will give you Everson's truck plus$800 as payment. So after he builds her the box, she asked if he could drive her to a storage unit. And on the way, she said, you know what? Never mind. I don't even need this shit. Let's just leave it right here by this river, the Sacramento River. What? And this was a common dumping ground. So Ismail was just like, okay, I'm getting a truck. I'm getting$800. I'm not going to ask any more questions. Because a lot of her handymen that she would hire were ex-cons. So, you know, she was like overlooked the shady. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:29

And she was shady. She was great to the Hispanic community. So it was probably, I don't know the whole dynamic there, but Ismail was just like, okay, girl.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

I'm getting a truck. Fuck it.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Fuck. Now, January 1st, 1986. This box was found by a fisherman. The poor fisherman. How many fishermen have we talked about so far that have found shit they shouldn't have had to find?

SPEAKER_03 45:58

Lindsay is enough where I don't want to go fishing.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

I know. And uh they found the box and it smelled horrible. So the fisherman called the police. Inside was a body wrapped in plastic bags and a sheet. And in the box were also mothballs and toilet deodorizers. Like the kind that she liked hang on the side.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

Make the blue water.

SPEAKER_00 46:23

Yeah, they make the blue water. Now the body was so decomposed that it would take two years to identify it. And yes, it was Everson. But Dorothea, she wrote to his sister and family the whole time, acting as though he was still alive and kept cashing his checks. Cha-chang. Cha-ching. Catch me if I if you now this woman, I need to, I didn't put this in my notes, but I need to put this out here real quick. All these frauds, all this money that she's taking from her tenants, from everybody, from her victims, she's putting it into the house, but she is making up for the shit she didn't have as a child. She is buying fancy clothes, bags, perfume. She gets a facelift. Like.

SPEAKER_03 47:14

So she's living La Vita Loca.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

She is living La Vita Loca. Mm-hmm. Outside, inside out. All right. It's gonna be rough for a few minutes. Jesse, I needed you to let me fly. Fly, girl.

SPEAKER_03 47:30

Damn, I ain't ready.

SPEAKER_00 47:32

78-year-old Betty May Palmer came to stay at Dorothea's boarding house. And within two months, Dorothea had stolen her ID and started getting Betty's Social Security checks. And then Betty disappeared. Her next victim was Leona Carpenter, who Dorothea gained power of attorney over. And then Leona disappeared. Then Jane's Gallup came to live at the boarding house in February of 1987. And by July, he had disappeared. July, same year, Eugene Gammel, who rented from Dorothea, was found dead of an alleged suicide. And Dorothea claimed that he had a history of suicidal attempts. In October, same year, 1987, 61-year-old Vera Faye Martin came to live at the boarding house. Dorothea got access to her social security checks, and by October 19th, she was never heard from again. October 21st, same year. 65-year-old Dorothy Miller came to the boarding house. Dorothea got access to her social security checks. Dorothy disappeared in on November 20th. Dorothea, so we got Dorothy and Dorothea, so sorry. Dorothea had a carpet cleaner come and remove, quote, a pile of foul-smelling slime, unquote, from the room that Dorothy had stayed in.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

Can't keep up. I can't keep up. Don't worry, I'm gonna give you a number here and I'm trying to count over here. You see me over here trying to count. I'm at 6'7, 6'7.

SPEAKER_00 49:20

Late November, still in 19, still in, still in 19, where where were we at? 87. A woman named Brenda Trujillo. It is Trujillo, right? It's got two hell, two L's.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Yeah, the bass player from Metallica.

Everson Gilmouth And The Coffin Box

SPEAKER_00 49:36

That's right. Trujillo. Reported Dorothea for theft of her social security checks. She said that she had been cellmates with Dorothea. Remember when Dorothea was in prison, and had come to stay at the boarding house when she was released. She said Dorothea helped her apply for the benefits, then drugged her and called her parole officer, so she went back to jail. And Dorothea kept getting her money checks. Fuck, Dorothea, you're fucking killing it over here, Dorothea. In February 1988, uh, yeah, this one's 51-year-old Alvero Gonzalez Montoya. He went by Bert and he came to the boarding house, and Dorothea became the payee of his checks. Now, this is what Dorothea did not understand. Alvera was a he was a legal immigrant who had schizophrenia. So he was staying at some of the like free houses for through Volunteers of America. Trying to get by, yeah. Trying to get by, but he wasn't an addict. And he, so he wasn't an addict. He was, he didn't have, he didn't meet all the criteria of all the other people in this area. But there was one woman named Judy who really like took to him. She was very empathetic towards him. Like he meant a lot to her. So she wanted to make sure that Alvera was put somewhere that he would be taken care of. So Dorothea's house was on the list, and it was one of the nice ones. It was a beautiful Victorian home. I will post this in stories the picture of the house. But it has the shittiest sound. She doesn't know that though. But she does see that Dorothea's got check fraud history, but at the same time, it's still a better option than everything else that was available. So Judy comes and checks out this house, and Dorothe makes sure that this is everything is picture perfect when the social worker comes to visit. Okay. She makes sure everything is on the up and up. And she does extra checks because she Bert means a lot to her. Bert gets very close with Dorothea and she even helps him with English and everything. And telling the hospital that Dorothea was giving him medicine that he didn't like. That yeah. So when the hospital calls her in for questioning, she's like, Well, then you take him. I'm trying to help him get better because he does have schizophrenia. So the hospital's under the impression that she's just trying to give him his schizophrenia medicine.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Oh, she made him believe it. She's a great manipulator, too.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

Great manipulator. So the hospital's like, you know what? We only have cots here for you to stay in. You're much better off at Dorothea's. Dorothea, this is all off the dome because I listened to an audiobook and I just finished it today, and this side story about Bert really stuck out to me. Dorothea has Bert dig what she told him a hole big enough for him to stand in. Fuck no. For a tree. Fuck no, Lindsay. Well, he disappeared in August. And uh in between Bert's arrival and his disappearance, Benjamin Fink came in uh around March, and by April, he was gone.

SPEAKER_03 53:21

This is the first time I put my whole head in the plant.

SPEAKER_00 53:24

He did, he just literally put his I've never, I've never, I never knew. Well, we're getting to the end. So God. Now Fucking hell, dude. This is crazy. Go ahead. Tenants started reporting suspicious suspicious behavior like Dorothy digging holes in the nights. And uh there was, you know, rotten smells coming from the piping. Um I'm using air quotes here, and shit was just weird. She had even dug a hole in April and had cement delivered, and she had her gardeners change plant arrangements constantly. Okay. And relatives of the missing elderly were concerned. On November 7th, 1988, police uh were talking to a former resident of the boarding house about Bert Montoya because Judy, who had gotten really close to him, she was like, something is fishy here. Now, Dorothea had told Judy that he just went back to Mexico with his family. But he never lived in Mexico. He was his family had migrated over here. He was born in America. And he had schizo.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

He was all fucking shot out. He needed help. But everybody is trying to get a reservation at Dorcia.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

Well, because she could cook some fucking tamales, man.

SPEAKER_03 54:53

Dude, she looks like, okay, she looks like somebody that would either have a white poodle that shits in your yard and wants to call the cops because you bitch at her about it, or she can make a badass pound cake. One or the other. That's what she looks like.

SPEAKER_00 55:04

Well, what was crazy was, you know, every a lot, most of the people in her house, most of the tenants, they were recovering alcoholics. She had a full top shelf, top shelf liquor cabinet in her room. That's the only place that drinks were allowed. She would invite certain tenants up to her room to have a drink.

SPEAKER_03 55:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:24

And then they would never be seen again.

SPEAKER_03 55:26

Milk of the poppy.

SPEAKER_00 55:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

The whole time.

SPEAKER_00 55:31

So I have lost my place now. Okay, here we go. So this former tenant that the police talked to, his name was John Sharp. And John said, Yeah, I just saw Bert a couple of days ago. But I guess like Dorothea was nearby and he was scared. So when she wasn't looking, he shook the officer's hands and handed him a note. And that note said, quote, she wants me to lie to you. Unquote. And later on, the officer met with John Sharp to do a little more talking. And John Sharp told him, you know, about how there was a lot of gardening going on lately. Lots of gardening. Okay. Yeah. They're getting down. So this officer was like, well, I need to do some digging around Dorothea's house. So police arrive at 1429 F Street on November 11th, 1988, to dig in the areas of the property that looked like they had been recently disturbed. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

So you're talking about like real actual gardening. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 56:38

Yeah, not weed gardening. Like this. They were planting trees and shit.

SPEAKER_03 56:42

Uh, you know, old uh smoke wagons kind of. I know. Fuck. Okay, I get it. I mean, I get it. I mean, I'm getting it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 56:52

So they start digging around. So the, you know, the officer, he brings them back up. He brings some people along the journey of digging. Uh, and they're digging around the property. And Dorothea's like, would it be okay if I went to the hotel and got a coffee? Like, my anxiety is like really high. Like, first of all, when has coffee ever calmed anybody down? Unless you're ADHD. I don't know. Could be, it could be. Could be a thing. And they let her leave.

SPEAKER_03 57:19

Here we go. They let her leave. Yeah. Catch me if you can.

SPEAKER_00 57:22

30 minutes after they left, they find a body. And what's crazy is at first, when they're digging, they thought they were hitting tree roots and a beef jerky-like substance. No! I'm so sorry, but that is literally how it's talked about. So they're digging and they find more and more and more and more body parts.

SPEAKER_03 57:52

I'm counting eight, but you probably got more. Fuck. I hope you don't.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

Well, there's some that are dismembered, and then there's some that are whole. The ones that were dismembered were what I told you was described as like beef jerky.

unknown 58:06

Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

Now, she's an old lady, okay? She had had a handyman who had helped her in in this thing. Now he was under the impression that these people were dying naturally and that she just wanted to keep getting their checks. But she was actually drugging all of them and killing them. And guess what? She killed him too. Holy fuck. Her accomplice named Chief. Yeah. Chief was helping her the whole damn time. The concrete slab I was telling you about. That's where Chief was. He dug the whole area. He prepped the whole area for the concrete slab.

SPEAKER_03 58:50

She was making motherfuckers dick.

SPEAKER_00 58:52

Dig their own grave. Fucking holes, Lindsay. I need two plants. When they found the woman named Vera, her clock was still ticking. Her watch, excuse me. Her watch was still ticking.

SPEAKER_03 59:04

Really? Bring Courtney over here, too. I need Courtney and Robert to plants, yeah. Our powers combined. I can't get through this. This is a lot. Oh my god, the horrific fucking no, it's happening in my head right now. You're fucking.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

Would you ever believe that of that woman that I just showed you in that picture?

SPEAKER_03 59:25

Smoke wagon can't fucking carry this one, dude. I need something heavier than this. I need milk of the poppy myself.

The Vanishing Tenants

SPEAKER_00 59:32

So after all the bodies were dug up, Dorothea is gone. But a bolo was put out on her. So her face was everywhere. She was in Los Angeles under the name Donna Johansson. She went back to old Axel's last name for this one. Yeah. She had, it's crazy because she had an imagination for this entire life that she's lived, but she had no imagination when it came to her last names at this point in her life. I'm like, girl. Yeah, she should have gone to Rose. But I'm glad that she didn't. I'm gonna stay stupid. Uh so she had met a guy at a bar, and he probably would have been her next victim. But he recognized her face on the news. These are fucking people in their 70s. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:18

Now.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:19

Well, this guy uh recognized her face on the news and alerted the police. Well, actually, he alerted the media to be like, I think I just found this woman. And then the media is like, ooh, story. And they alerted the police. So they were probably there first. Yeah. The media was probably there first. Yes. Dorothea would be tried for nine counts of murder in 1993. And I don't think that that's all. I don't think that that's all. Yeah, I was thinking eight, but still, this is fucking law, dude. Jesus. There was 156 witnesses that testified at her trial, and there were 3,100 exhibits.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:59

Of beef jerky.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

Oh, stop it. Fuck no, dude. Now there were, because of the way this lady looks, there were two different deadlocks for the jury.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:10

Two. Two whole fucking dude. I'm not eating at Dorsey's no more.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:16

But finally, on December 10th, 1993, she was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. And she served her time at Chalchilla. I think it's a women. I'm certain 100% it's a women's prison in California. And she died on March 27th, 2011, at 82 years old. Dorothea and her horrific crimes have been featured on Crime Stories, Deadly Women, A Stranger in My Home, World's Most Evil Killer, and or Killers, and Worst Roommate Ever, which is a very excellent series. I don't know about the rest of those, but Worst Roommate Ever is a great series.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:58

How did I not know nothing about this?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:00

I didn't either until I got introduced into True Crime Podcasts.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

Now, uh, if you're into this type of thing, there is a cookbook with all of her recipes. No fucking way. I swear, I'm looking it up right now. Did she make pound cakes in here? So it is, I think it's called Recipes of a Serial Killer. But hold on, give me just a second.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:22

She has a cookbook. Wow, I keep fucking referencing that. And she actually has a cookbook. Fucking hey, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:28

Oh my God. I can't find it. Oh, cooking with a serial killer by Shane Bugby. And this came out in 2004. She's all screpedy. Now, the uh the audiobook that I listened to for this case is um Buried Beneath the Boarding House by Ryan Green. And it is excellent. So if you want, and it's only about a three and a half hour listen, so it's not that bad. And uh, so if you're a reader, that's great. If you want an audio, I do recommend that. It's on Audible. It only took one credit. It's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:05

You took it all in.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

Excellent book, excellent author, excellent narrator. I give it a 10 out of 10 for sure. It gave me all the information that I needed.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:15

To wrap.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:16

Yeah, I could have done this into two parts, but I was like, fuck, I gotta wrap this up because I have another story that I want to cover next week that we also have a shot glass for.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:26

So for episode 70.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:28

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:29

This is episode. This is episode 70. This is episode 70. Yeah. Serial killer episode 70. Fucking A, they should have done more than put her in the corner. Yeah, a little swat on the wrist and put her in the corner.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:44

Like, there's there's I really encourage you guys to listen to this audiobook. Um, it's insane. Like, her entire story that I just told is it is wild. It's a crazy book. But the book gives a lot more detail, obviously. I mean, I can't quote the book word for word, but and there's actually quite a few books on this. That was the latest one that was published in 19 or 2019. So I figured that they had a lot better information at that point. Right. So that's the one that I chose. Um, but yeah, Jesse, that's the story of Dorothy and the Puentum.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:22

Fucking hell, Lindsay, you've killed me in any three points.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

You see, my name took me a little longer to finish this thing up.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:31

Big three. You've killed me in this one. This is crazy. Big long home, baby.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:40

Big little hole. Well, what's crazy is Chief was like a a pretty buff dude. And she drug like she invited him to work in his fucking home room to have a fucking cocktail after he had worked his ass off all day. He probably gave her 750. Digging his own grave, basically. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:01

Yeah, I'm gonna pay you today, but was minus 750. I mean, I don't know what's going on, you know, but there were all of it was going on.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:12

Well, I mean, you know, Alvero looked to her, like he was in his 50s, but he was schizophrenic. And he literally, like his story in the book, really just oh my god, I was almost in tears just listening to Alvero's story. That's why I really encourage you guys. I'm gonna post it in stories as well. We'll link it in the show notes if you can remember to do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:36

Yeah, so at the at the point of playing humble caretaker and then taking everything. That's what she was.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

She had she was, you know, bumping elbows with some higher elbows.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:54

Fucking hell. That's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

Which literally means fucking nothing to me. Because they're all horrific. Everybody sucks.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:06

Yeah. Hollywood and politics. Fuck it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:09

Yeah. There's a few. There's a handful of people that I will die on the hill that they're good people, but die on that hill. But after that horrific story, sir, please let me know you have a good palate cleanser for us today.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:24

No, the only thing I want to do is just crawl off in a hole. Like I'm not going to Dorsey.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

Well, I'm going to feed you a good meal after the software.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:33

Is it going to have milk in the poppy? Do I have to dig a hole afterwards?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:37

Well, you know, she was able to really cover that up because these a lot of these people were on medication. So she knew what she was doing. Right. And it was, it's really sad.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:49

This is the worst thing. I mean, because she looks like a just a wholesome ass human, and she was just playing it to ride.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:57

Well, what's crazy to me is she paid for a facelift with these people's money, and like I don't think it did her a bit of good. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:07

She still looks like Mrs. Doubtfire 2.0, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:11

She nailed it though. Like. Oh my god. Well, now I can show you.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

This is I'm going to show Jesse a picture of her booking date, what she looked like on that day.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:22

I'm looking at the shot glass and looking at this.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:24

She literally, I'm not even kidding. Rest in peace, but she looks like my Aunt Sadie.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:30

And we're going to put the picture of the shot glass uh up so you can see this. This is fucking crazy. Elizabeth did a great job. Yes.

Bert Montoya, Red Flags, And Holes

SPEAKER_00 1:07:38

We got to make sure we talk to her about that tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:41

We're going to.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

Yeah, we had a great conversation with her last time.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:44

I just I can't take it all in, but I gotta play music. So I mean, I have uh Michelle Lambert, and this song is just amazing. And you know what?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:53

I'm going to the socials to follow her right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:56

This song is called Rain on You, so check this shit out.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:11

I'm aching, but I take it. So let's tell how you sit within. Did you hear? Did you see that? Did you hear? Did you see that?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:57

Lindsay, I swear to God, we find some of the most amazing bands I've ever heard in my life.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:05

And Michelle, so she is out of um California. She's from San Francisco. Wow. She's a pop artist. And um she is also followed by Alexandra, who we featured a little while ago.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:19

Isn't that cool? How this ties together? That's what we're here to do. So if you hear of any of these bands in your area, go check them out and support them. I mean, we're not putting out good shit. We're putting out the best shit. It's the best. It's not good, it's the best. I mean, I love every band that we've ever featured on. Absolutely. This is amazing. Dude, I just I've Okay. I'm picturing like a big stage with everything going on, and she's singing that, dude. And I just feel like I am just in the groove with that. That was an amazing song.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:57

Yeah. Totally my type of aesthetic dressing. Like, I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:00

Yeah, the workability on everything you got going on. Keep it going. I mean, it is amazing. And the world needs to know it, and we're gonna share it. And that's what we're here today.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:09

Yeah, that's what we're here. We're a true crime, drinks, and music.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:14

That was enthusiasm on the backside of exthusiasm. I don't know how to call it. Yeah, like Bran the Broken over here in the corners.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:27

Yeah, so we've decided that um Bran is the Debbie Downer on Game of Thrones. He's no other one. He's just like always in the corner. Like I, you know, it's season uh later on in season seven, then in season eight, he's just always there like to deliver some bad news because he's these three odd ravens.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:47

Yeah, everybody's talking, he's like, already know. I already know what you're gonna say, bro. Yeah. Bran the Broken is the Debbie Downer of Game of Thrones. George R.R. Martin needs to know that. No, it was perfect. It was perfect. It's yeah. You know, there's nothing I can say about that whole series that just isn't just yeah, amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:10

When every year that Re WeWatch, um, a lot more people that are watching it for the first time and documenting documents fuck, I can't speak. They're posting about it on TikTok. Posting. I'm just like, I love it. I'm like, I am jealous because I we'll sit and watch episodes and I'm like, I remember my reaction to this the first time we we were on.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:35

Oh no, we've talked about this like this episode. Game of Thrones period makes us feel old, right? And it's like eight years, nine years now later.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:42

It's just like holy it's 15 years post-first season.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:46

Post first season. How many years past season eight?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:51

Nine seven. Seven. Seven. Seven, yeah. Oh, damn.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:58

Yeah. We're gonna do it. It's wild, it's wild. I love it though. Why are we so geeked on that?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:03

That's a that's that's our life. Like you said, like we want to we are all about George R.R. Martin's worlds.

Digging The Yard: Bodies Unearthed

SPEAKER_03 1:15:10

Like we're all about Well, I mean, I'm geek on Star Wars stuff too, but I feel like he's he's created like the same George Lucas style realm of everything that can be just we geek out over universes, period.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:24

Like we we love the Marvel universe, we love Star Wars universe.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:30

Just a whole just everything. You know, we're nerds.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:33

If you've made it this far in the episode, comment on what your favorite universe is.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:37

I mean, and what Stan Lee did itself is just phenomenal. Holy shit. Oh my goodness. But uh yeah, we're we're we're geeking right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:46

But geeking!

SPEAKER_03 1:15:47

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SPEAKER_00 1:15:57

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SPEAKER_03 1:16:34

Type in Gen Z, J-E-N-D-S-E-Y. And I would want to challenge everybody to find a band just as good or better than what we've put out because we have put out some good ass music too. And um, we just we want to support and we want to share, and we hope you do the same thing. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:50

Yeah, come for the story and stay for the music, stay for the bands. Yeah, this is a good thing. Don't skip past the bands, don't do it. Don't do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:58

I gotta wear a different pair of clothes and bring up more uh more plants around me for comfort. You know, I I feel like I need my comfy stretch pants, which you you showed up in your your comfy stretch pants, didn't you?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:11

Damn it. Well, you think you all you like me when I wear my stretchy pants, which I usually only wear that one time of the month, and you're like, please don't wear those on the top of the month.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:20

Those are those are the hot pants, Lindsay. Hot pants. Those checkered pants.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:24

It's just like some purple and black checkered pants. Yeah, they're cool, they're comfy, they're great. They're from Walmart. They were like eight bucks.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:28

Well, when we do such a caliber type fucking podcast of this, you need to bring more plants over here by me. We need to set up, okay? We gotta get ready.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:36

We gotta go plant shopping, get some more emotional support plants for Jesse.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:40

This smoke wagon has really got me lit, dude. I'm having a great Friday.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:45

Uh yeah, time to open another Celsius so we can keep on cracking. But we're gonna sign off of here. We love you guys so much, and uh we hope you stay tuned for the recap on Wednesday, and then the next episode, it's gonna be just as bad. And we love you so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:02

Yeah, uh Lindsay, catch up me if you can. And we love you so much, though.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:10

All right, bye.