Anniversary Weekend Kickoff

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Hey Jesse. Hey Lindsay.

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Happy anniversary.

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Happy anniversary, Gen Z weekend. We're doing it right now. We're going to tell you all about it, so you better stay tuned.

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Well, we have actually already told him about it.

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We told him that it was coming, but we're going to tell him all about our adventures.

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But this is out on Friday, and we're putting that out on Thursday. Oh yeah. Oh what so you've already listened to it by now.

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So the times, the times and times, right? I don't know about it.

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We're in the past, present, and you are right, Lindsay.

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I can't keep up with it. I can't keep up with it. How are we going to figure this out? No, I think we're going to get better like next season, but this season we're allowed to fumble through.

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We're still still babies. So what we are collectively drinking today.

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Yeah.

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We made a little cup of what did I just say? Mango white claw, tangerine white claw, and tropical vibe Celsius.

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The energy drink. It's got me back fucking fully on, full and flying, dude. We're at like some kind of resort. What is it called? I forgot.

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Silver Lake.

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Yeah. Wherever I put you up at, we're doing the things, yes?

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And we're gonna hit that intro and then we'll keep rolling.

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So we're here and Lindsay has stories, and we're fixing to do that right now. Happy Friday. I want to go to the pool.

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We're gonna go to the pool and have some bots and whatever you get.

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So as you can look back on our adventures, our first night at the pool.

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So yeah, we have just completed a day at Epcot and Hollywood Studios, and we're at this resort with these pools and jacuzzi, and we're taking advantage of it. But you've already heard about that. Yeah.

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Yeah, two days in. Yeah, I'll just we're we're recapping that part.

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Yes.

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In the middle of doing this part.

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Yeah.

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I don't know the parts. Only parts of me know the parts. We'll figure it all out. No, only parts of me know the parts.

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So yeah, and basically, so we are here for our anniversary weekend. Um, our technical anniversary is March 9th. We are two years married, 14 years together.

Timeshare Pitch For Free Disney Money

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I get it wrong all the time. All the time. Why? You don't get it wrong all the time. Well, I did earlier when they were asking me questions about questioning. Because you were on the spot. Okay. Well, yeah.

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Jesse made us sit through this timeshare shit this morning. But you know what? We got a hundred and fifty no$130 free dollars, and that paid for our lunch and drinks at the Galaxy's Edge.

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Yeah. So we did, we did, we we we went to a uh uh a galaxy far, far away and got drunk for free because of my timeshareism. God, I was so bored. Yeah, she was asleep in the middle of it. We got like honestly like$500 in gifts for saying the word no. That's cool, right?

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I was just uncomfortable.

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At our age, we're just not ready, though. I get it. I get I get the whole thing. They're trying to do their thing and their jobs and make money and do stuff, and we were just like, no, we want the gifts, dude. We're here for the gifts. We play the game, and we I think I think we won at least so far today.

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So they heckled us right when we're just getting our parking pass. And this guy's like promising us all this shit. And he's like, you come in, you get free breakfast, you listen to this presentation for an hour, two, an hour and a half, it ended up taking two. But we did it and we said no, even though I'm I'm very uncomfortable in situations like that. Like if Jesse hadn't been here beside me, I probably would have just bought it just because I was uncomfortable and didn't want to be uncomfortable anymore.

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You had to pay the money. If you hear our air air conditioner, it sounds like the House of Dragons.

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Yeah.

Feeling Old And Gen Z Weekend Moments

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I love it. This all Jacaris when it blows on us. It's really nice in here, though. It's nice and cool.

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So, what made you feel old this week?

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Looking at that sign when we were hanging out over there at the damn tiki bar. You look at the the dates whenever they're trying to figure out what age you're supposed to be, you know, like Yeah, we haven't been ID'd once. No, we have not. All damn fucking weekend, Lindsay.

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We were beside these really cool youngsters um at the Irish pub in Ebcot, and they got out their IDs, and I was like, Oh, Jesse, we need to get our IDs out. And the bartender literally was like, No, you're good.

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Yeah, no, no, you're good. You're good.

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But I looked, I like focused on the the couple next to us, and I was like, Oh, they do look like babies, like for real. They were from Jersey.

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There's probably like 25.

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If that, yeah.

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But still, like, yeah, we had a good time with them, and you can check all that stuff out on our uh video that we did of the the Gen Z weekend. So that was really fun. And we met a couple other people, you know, with the Indiana Jones thing. We met some people and just from North Carolina. Yeah, that was really fun. It's just talking and doing our things. That was really fun, Lindsay. I think we had a great weekend. Yes, and you know what? Next year is going to be our Kincenetta.

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Kinsenta.

Ed Kemper Intro And Early Red Flags

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Stay tuned for that one. 365 days from now.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So today we got another serial killer.

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Lindsay.

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No, we're drinking about.

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I thought we were done with these for a while, Lindsay. You don't do it.

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Okay, so we will be tagging uh Elizabeth Kohler again because we do have a killer shot for this individual. We're drinking about Ed Kemper.

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Yeah, she's shooting over to Orlando uh New Orleans, right? Yeah. I'm in Orlando right now.

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Yeah, we're in Orlando. She's in New Orleans.

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I've seen the lineup for the New Orleans um the um horror con that they're having over there.

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Yeah, he was reading it off to me and I was like, damn.

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Okay. Yeah, even William Shatner's gonna be there. William Shatner. So check that out. Follow Elizabeth Culler and all of her stuff. You can see her and tell her we said hey. That would be great.

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So you didn't ask me what made me feel old.

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I did not, Lindsay. I'm trying to catch up over here. You got you got a strong drink over there, actually. I did a strong drink over there. You know, I've been doing like theme parking and stuff.

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I was about to say it because yeah, we Ubered today so we could drink. So we've been drinking all day.

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What made you feel old?

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So my coworker who is in her mid-20s, um, she's about to have a baby, and she posted something about the baby thing. And I seen that one of our mutual friends is somebody that I went to high school with. So the next day I asked her, uh, my coworker, how she knew this person, and she's like, Oh, she was my fifth grade teacher. What? So my coworker knows my classmate from being her fifth grade teacher, and she is 25 or six. That made me feel old. I I literally just stared at her blankly and was like, I feel old as fuck right now. I'm walking away. And she just laughed. But I literally I felt ancient as fuck in that moment.

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You know those times they they come by so fast, and you're just like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna lock this in because there's moments every week, at least once a week, where you can really lock in. You really feel old in a moment at our age.

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Yeah, I like I like shook it off, and I was like, I'm not even I'm not even gonna bask in this, but I'm gonna remember it because what was the hardest made you feel old that you had to shake off, though?

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Looking at my 12-year-old son makes really it's really hard for me.

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You know, it's not the fact that we have four grandchildren and almost a 25-year-old.

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It's hard to shake off, Lindsay. Fuck why you gotta turn it up. You turn it up.

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We will talk about that later. Yeah, Lindsay has serial killers.

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Again, I'm not ready. I don't have a plant uh at this one, Lindsay, so you better go eat. So sorry. You know, you better go eat.

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You'll have to go to the emotional part wall.

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No, there's a look at that.

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There's a picture of a tulip.

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There's a picture of a tulip. So we're going to tulip over here. Okay, that's my plant today. Tinkerbell tulip. Tinkerbell tulip. Yeah, because we're doing the Disney things.

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Yeah. And my card today has Tinkerbell on it.

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It does. I had Chewbacca twice.

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I got Moana and Tinkerbell this weekend.

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Yes. We kind of could deal. I think everything really is working out really well financially for Gen Z this weekend. Fall in on a budget. Tinkerbell tulip. You will comfort me through the darkness that Lindsay's going to spread upon us on this.

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Oh, yeah, because this one is rough. All right, let's get started. So, Ed Kemper was born Edmund Emile Kemper the third on December 18th, 1948. He's another Sag one because the other night we were talking about there are a lot of serial killers that are Virgos and Sagittarius, which is both of our signs.

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Yeah, I was telling Elizabeth she should make a serial killer calendar, but most of them are all around December. Early December, late, late Well, there's a lot of Virgos.

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There's there's some throughout the whole year.

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Okay.

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So yeah, there is a no that's really sad, but you can definitely make a calendar with all the serial killers.

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That'd be cool. Right at her merch booth and doing stuff that ties around our stuff.

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I mean, there's a lot of us sicklos out there that'll buy it, like us.

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Yeah.

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So he was born in Burbank, California. He was a 13-pound baby.

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That's fucking enormous.

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Our baby was eight pounds. Silas was my biggest baby, eight pounds, two ounces. And he was a big, he was tiny.

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He was like 11 and something inches long, though. No, he was 19. 19. Yeah. I thought, yeah, it was no, nope.

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He was 21 inches long. He was a long baby.

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He was a long baby.

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But he was still so tiny. He was. So imagine Ed five pounds onto that. And that to Silas's size. And that's Ed Kemper.

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Full ass grown. Big baby. Yeah.

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Like my friend, uh Drake, you know Drake. She had a 10-pound baby. And that was wild. Nine more pounds. Like when I went to see her in the hospital, she wasn't even like, you know how when babies are born, they're like scary because they're so little. She wasn't scary. I just scooped her up and I'd cuddle her. She was a dog. Yes. Literally, like a three-month-old. What all my babies were at three months was 10 pounds.

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So hers came out. A full ass driver's license when he came out.

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So um his parents were Clarnell and Ed Jr. Now Ed Jr. was a World War II veteran and he tested nuclear weapons.

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Fuck.

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And uh when he got out of the service, he became an electrician, which was apparently not good enough for Clarnell. She called his job menial. What? That's a good ass fucking trade to have. Now, a lot of the information that I'm gonna give you throughout this story is all from Ed, from Ed Kemper, from our subject today. I think a lot of his stories have different versions, but for the most part, all the interviews I listened to were very consistent. So this is what Ed said. So Ed was such a terrible mother, and his father's marriage to her was worse than anything he experienced in the military. Wow. Yeah.

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Very fucked up childhood.

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Now Ed was Ed was the middle of two sisters. So I forgot to mention that in the beginning. Now, little Ed is noted as a pretty fucked up kid and did fucked up things to his sister's dolls and the family cats, which we will get into. But according to him, his sisters put him through hell as well. And you are the middle of two sisters, and you got put through hell.

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So I can't I'm the youngest of two sisters. Oh, that's right, that's right.

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You're the youngest. That's right.

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I don't know why I thought that made me dress up because I was whatever they wanted me to do.

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I mean, just name off the broken bones that you've gotten from them and chip teeth and collarbone and yeah.

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Yeah, Lindsay, you're you don't bring that back, dude. No, I'm not ready to revisit that at this moment.

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I'm sorry. Well, I'm just saying, so just have that in your mind as I go through this, you know.

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My tulip over here is gonna keep me comfort.

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Now, there is a lot of you know articles and things like that in in in research about Ed, where you know, he would just tear up his sister's Barbie dolls, and that was like a sign, you know. It probably was. But at the same time, Ed says that he tore up his younger sister's Barbie because she messed up his cap gun. She was jealous of his cap gun. She was jealous of the trip he went on to get that cap gun. So what he did was he cut off the Barbie doll's hands. Because he said he popped the head off and he was like, Well, she can just put that right back on.

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So rubber head back then, yeah.

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So he cut off her hands and was like, Well, now we both have two toys that don't work real good.

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And I was like, That seems like some brother and sister shit though to me. Right. Yeah.

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But it's gonna get worse. Um now, another occasion was uh his oldest sister actually tried to push him in front of a train and also pushed him into the deep end of a swimming pool, and he wasn't a really good swimmer, so he almost drowned.

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Fuck.

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That's crazy. But here's the real disturbing thing. Uh, well, one of the the beginning of what I feel like is the salad. At just seven years old, he would walk to his teacher's house with his father's bayonet in hand and spy on her. Now, one of his sisters, I'm not sure if it was the youngest or the oldest, she knew of this crush and teasingly asked Ed why he didn't try and kiss her. And he answered with, If I kiss her, I'll have to kill her. What? Because as we'll go on in this story, that's kind of how Ed feels about talking to girls in general.

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This is dark, this is nasty, this is oh, Lindsay.

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So his parents split up in 1957. Ed Jr. had enough of Clarnell shit. He he took off. And little Ed, little Ed III, he was pretty devastated because according to him, he and his father were close, and his mother took them all the way from Burbank, California to Helena, Montana. And that's when the animal cruelty began. When he was 10, he buried a cat or the family cat alive. He dug it back up, he decapitated it, and put its head on a spike.

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Lindsay, I'm just over here riding this fucking wave I don't want to be on.

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At 13, he killed another family cat because it liked his sister better than him, and he kept the pieces of it in his closet.

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It came upon me wave on wave.

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Well, and you know, Clarnell found this, and this was when the therapy should have started. Right. The therapy probably should have started, but you know, this is a long time ago. Therapy was still taboo. The therapy probably should have started when they divorced. But Clarnell was kind of an Edgeen. She goes, she's up there with Augusta and Waltrod, like the harlots and all the bullshit. Well, and just domineering and a bitch. So he all it also says that she was a neurotic alcoholic and belittled him, humiliated him, and severely abused him. And he even overheard her call him a real weirdo on the phone, like talking to his dad. Because I guess they kept in communication, even though they were divorced.

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Yeah, a lot of crazy selfish tendencies of just doing whatever the fuck she wants to do. Yeah, you gotta take care of your kids if you're gonna have fucking kids. Take care of your fucking kids.

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Well, it's like, you know, when you and I discuss now, sometimes I I go off the deep end because Silas can be very overwhelming at times. But when we're having a logical conversation about something that I feel we talk about it, but not to where he can hear. We, you know, we discuss what, and then we'll ask him, hey, why are you behaving this way? What is what is going through your head when you do this and that?

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Yeah, you and I are trying to find a building common ground where we can get that to uh to convey to him, where we can move on to something positive. If he's doing something negative, we're trying to build off of that.

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And fortunately, Silas has friends and music that he can turn to when he's going through his his tweenage.

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Yeah. Because all the emotions really can, you know, while my guitar gently weeps, you can weep with it and go through your emotions along with bending those strings. And it really helped me out going through that. And I really love that he has that. He can grasp physically and play his songs and and get things out in different ways. That's going to be a great thing for him. I really feel like that.

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Well, Clarnell, she was so obsessed with the idea that Ed would molest his sisters that she would make him sleep in the basement and keep him locked in there. So there were two different houses, okay? One was a locked basement, and one was a basement that had a trap door that was underneath the dining room table. So they had to like move the dining room table to get like he was stuck there until Clarnell let him out. There was no other way out. This is isolation. He says that's where he met the devil. Well, in these times of isolation.

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Yeah, what do you have to grasp other than that? And you're already messed up to begin with. This is not cool.

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It's like the kind of situation that you see in movies, like with the swinging dim light bulb. That's all he had in this basement.

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Right. Evil dead trapdoor type shit going on right there.

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And she refused to be affectionate at all towards him because she said that she could turn him gay.

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You got the world fucked up right now.

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So when Ed was 14, he ran away to Los Angeles to live with his father. Now his father had a whole new family by this time. And uh his stepmom really didn't care for him. So he sent his father, Ed Jr. sent him to go stay with his grandparents. Ed Sr. Oh God, what was his last? What was my grandma's name? I didn't write it down. Anyway, so Ed Sr. and grandma. Now his grandparents lived in Sierra Nevada. And he says that his grandfather was senile, and his grandmother was just like his mother, just constantly emasculated him, and his grandfather just always on there hacking, hacking, hacking.

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Shit. He ain't caught a break yet. Really, with his with his mentally twisted self-childism. I don't know what to call it. He needed he needed some help.

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Yes, he does. He did, and he This is too far already, right?

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It's too far already.

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It's too far because on August 27th, 1964, when Ed was only 15 years old, he shot his grandmother once in the head and twice in the back, and then stabbed her several times post-mortem. So rage, overkill.

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Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay.

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But when his grandpa came home, now he shot him too. But the reason why he killed his grandfather is because he did not want to see his grandmother dead. And uh when when police now he calls Clarnell and tells her what he's done. He calls Ma.

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He's just like, whatever, dude. I'm gonna let everybody know I've done this, right?

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And he calls Clarnell. Well, she just as crazy and mean as she is, she just lets all of his psychotic and uh what do you call it, sociopath behavior just like just brushes it off. And she's like, Well, you need to call the police. So he calls police and he sits there and waits on them.

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I done killed Dole Hargraves. Dole said to send an ambulance or a hearst. Like old Carl Childers did. Oh my god.

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And then he called down and puts some mustard on it.

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He's all scraping up the fucking jar.

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Do you know that mustard on a biscuit is absolutely absolutely top-tier food? Especially if you throw a piece of chicken on that shit too. Right.

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No, earlier We're so Southern. I am sorry to break away from this right now. But earlier in Lindsay and I's relationship, I ordered, what was it? What did we, Taco Bell or something in the in the Burger King. Burger King in the voice of Carl Childers. Did you think you're like this guy's a keeper at that point?

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I didn't know what to think. I was so laughing so fucking hard.

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Right, what y'all got in there to eat.

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He wasn't disrespectful at all. So I but it was hilarious to me and I was uncomfortable all at the same time. I know my face was red as fuck because I was like embarrassed. Like secondhand embarrassment, but you weren't embarrassed at all. It's just me. I get very uncomfortable.

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I was rolling, I was rolling my roll. I just, you know, I had to figure out my Lindsay before she was my Lindsay.

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But I laughed my ass off. So when the police arrive, Ed tells Them when they asked why did you do this? He said, quote, I just wanted to see what it felt like to kill grandma. And he killed grandpa. Because, like I said, number one, he didn't want grandpa to see that. And he knew that grandpa would be angry. That was his thought process.

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My grandparents are my most precious things that I've ever had in my life. I don't know why, but to look at, you know, your humanity and But we were there.

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We don't know what this situation was like. Yeah.

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I can't wrap my head around this. I can't.

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But what's crazy, you know, as soon as he arrives to their house, they give him a gun. Because that was that's that's a very past sense. I think we were in the what did I say, 60 64.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

Oh, yeah. By the way, you're gonna need a gun, boy, in case old Yeller comes up. Well, I'm trying to make you feel the way I feel, Lindsay.

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You know, if things had been a little different, this would be the end of the story. But it's not. So and I'm I'm not even uh I'm not even past the first page.

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No, you're not even done with the first page, and this tulip is not fucking doing justice over here.

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Now, Ed was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, and he was sent to okay, this is gonna be weird. Okay, atoscarado.

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Nail it.

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Yeah, state hospital. And while he was atoscarado, uh, they disc disagreed with this diagnosis. They were like, this guy is super smart, and he had an IQ of 145. That's almost genius. That's like 15 points away from genius. Right. So uh I don't even I I have never took an IQ test, but you know, I was in all the smart kid shit when I was younger.

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A bit mine don't make it to 100.

Released With Warnings Ignored

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Oh my God, you were very intelligent. Hush. And they were like, he doesn't have delusions, he doesn't have hallucinations or any bizarre thoughts. But in my humble opinion, that would just now make him a cold-blooded killer if he's not mentally ill.

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Yeah, if he's got his shit together mentally and he's there, they're saying that he does.

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And he was even like, he was a model prisoner, and he helped administer administer psych tests. Like he was working with psychiatrists for other juvenile prisoners at that time. This is crazy. And they released him on his 21st birthday in 1969. So he was only in jail for murdering two people, prison, excuse me, for two, for murdering his grandparents for five years.

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Cold-blooded just fucking took him out. What? What no? What?

SPEAKER_07 24:50

Lindsay, what but one thing the psychiatr the psychiatrist did get right, in my opinion, is they strongly, strongly advised against sending him back to Clarnell, but they did.

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That's where he went.

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Now, this time she had moved back to California in Optos. Aptos, Optos. And she had she had remarried and divorced again. And this time she was an administrative assistant at the University of California, Santa Cruz. They lived like on campus pretty much. You know how they have housing for teachers and stuff like that on campus. Now, somehow, by 1972, Ed's record was completely expunged. And he became a community college student and really, really wanted to be a police officer. But he was too tall.

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Too tall.

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That 13-pound baby had grown to be six foot nine. Six nine? Six nine, three hundred pounds. Three, six, nine.

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Damn me.

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Now Ed Jr. and Clarnell were kind of giants too. Ed Jr. was six seven and Clarnell was six foot.

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Big family. Corn fed bred motherfuckers over there. California corn feds. This is crazy. Like, okay, this is big, huge dude now. It's free walking. Big Ed. Yeah. Oh fuck. Why does this sound so familiar to me? I don't remember any about none of this.

SPEAKER_07 26:25

I'm telling you, on the way home, I'm gonna let you listen to the interview after you've heard all of this. Oh. Because I want you to hear how he talks. And I'm gonna show you his picture. And it will probably, because this is a really famous one. Really famous.

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It's a big one.

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Like this, this, he was like historically like what they started profiling. He's one of the guys they started profiling from. Because the 70s was full of serial killers. So, because we're gonna talk about a lot of them in the future from the 70s.

SPEAKER_03 26:54

Lindsay, I mean, I'm talking about stuff coming up soon. I think the 2000s is full of them, some bitches too.

SPEAKER_07 27:02

Well, 70s was really predominant because well, we're gonna we're gonna keep going, okay?

SPEAKER_06 27:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 27:07

So even though Big Ed was rejected from being a police officer, he became friends with all of them. And he drank with them all the time at a bar called the jury room. And they referred to him as a friendly nuisance. Big old Ed. Big Ed. Friendly nuisance. Now, Ed did get a good job with the highway division. He got away from his mother for a while and he met a girl and got engaged. But unfortunately, this girl was a minor. Now, Ed was only like 22 at this point, but this girl was still a minor and it didn't work out. Uh, her family was against it. There's a little backstory there that I really didn't get into because I got a lot of information.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

I'm glad she got the fuck out because this is gonna be a cool thing, right?

SPEAKER_07 27:51

And he wasn't really good with money, and he did end up back at Clarnell's, and their relationship was so turbulent that he really, really wanted to kill her. Unfortunately, he would take that anger out on others, and he definitely, definitely wasn't as sane as the psychiatrist said he was. A little while later.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

I'm not ready for this, Lindsay. I'm not ready.

Hitchhiking Murders Begin

SPEAKER_07 28:16

Ed got into a motorcycle accident that was not his fault. So he was paid out a settlement of$15,000. And guess how much that equals in today's money?

SPEAKER_03 28:27

Buck$50.

SPEAKER_07 28:28

$109,000.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

$109,000. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 28:32

Now, with that money, he purchased a yellow 1969 Ford Galaxy. And that's a nice car. I looked it up. And driving around, uh, he notices that there are a lot of women that hitchhike around this time. This is the era. Yeah. And um now.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

Is he fixing to warn us some shit? You fixing to drop warnos type shit on me? No.

SPEAKER_07 29:00

Now, at first he started just giving them rides. It was mostly students from universities. And he says that he gave over 150 women rides. All these women were unharmed. And then he started to get what he would call little zapples. And then when he would get these little zapples, um, these were homicidal sexual feelings.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

Oh fuck. He's got names for like his little fuck.

SPEAKER_07 29:31

So he started stocking his car with handcuffs, knives, plastic bags, and blankets. On May 7th, 1972, Ed was driving in the Berkeley area and picks up Mary Ann Pesky and Anita Luceza. I'm pretty sure that's how you say those last names. Now, these girls were students at Fresno State and wanted to visit friends at Stanford. He drove for about an hour until he reached a secluded woodsy area.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

Which this is not an Uber. He's just picking people up and then taking them an hour down the road.

SPEAKER_07 30:09

Hitchhiking. They were thumbing for rides.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

Yeah, we're going all the way an hour down the road, and he and they're just okay with it.

SPEAKER_07 30:16

If you're super young and don't know what hitchhiking is, that is they were holding their thumb out for any given stranger to give them a ride to their destination.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

He'd be like, Where are you going? Oh, we're going over here an hour down the road. And they would he would be like, Oh, I'm going that way too, right?

SPEAKER_07 30:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 30:32

That's weird.

SPEAKER_07 30:33

Well, he also had this little thing where he would like look at his watch and be like, All right, let's, you know, I don't have a lot of time, but I'm being really nice. I'm gonna give you this ride.

SPEAKER_03 30:43

He did play the game. He played the game while he was playing his game.

SPEAKER_07 30:47

Right. So they're in this secluded Woodsey area. First, he handcuffs Marianne and then locked Anita in the trunk. And then he stabs and strangles them both. He puts them in his trunk and he headed back home. Now he was living in an apartment with a roommate at this time. He was not at Clarnell's house. The roommate was gone. And he gets home, he gets their takes their bodies to his room, he photographs them, and then sexually assaults their corpses. He then, yeah, necrophilia.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

I'm not done yet. I'm not done. Okay, I'm I'm reaching toward my tulip.

SPEAKER_07 31:31

He dismembers them and he takes their remains to Lorna Priestem Mountain.

SPEAKER_03 31:39

Lindsay Michelle. Lindsay Michelle.

SPEAKER_07 31:46

No. I'm not nowhere near done, so You can't keep shoveling this on me. No. Before he disposes of the remains, he forces oral sex with their severed heads. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

Lindsay. This really happened in humanity? This really happened.

SPEAKER_07 32:08

I mean, you know about Ted Bondy. This is one you don't know about.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

Fuck fuck. Okay. Okay, I'm drinking more of her drink thing.

SPEAKER_07 32:17

Well, there, there, uh, some of their remains were found later on, but they didn't have any leads, unfortunately. So a few months later, on September 14th, my fucking birthday, in 1972, though, um, a Korean dance student uh student named I want to say it's Eiko Ku. You nailed it, she had missed her bus to her dance class and was hitchhiking. Ed picked her up and took her to a secluded area. And this time he had a gun and he pulled it out. And somehow, somewhere in the midst of all this, he locked himself out of the car. The gun, the keys, and everything were in the car still. She could have took off, but this poor girl, out of fear, let him back in the car. He then choked her, raped her, and killed her, put her in the trunk, and then went to the bar. After he had some drinks, he decided to head home. But while he's still in the parking lot of this bar, he opens the trunk and admires his kill like he was admiring his catch like a fisherman. Those are his words.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

You know that I have a fucking vivid imagination, Lindsay. When you're telling these stories, I'm writing a whole ass movie better than George Lucas ever did. And you're you're over here, you're over here dumping this on me. And this is not a galaxy far, far away. This is right here. God damn you. Right here. Real. Real shit.

SPEAKER_07 33:58

Well, not right here, but you know, over over in the west. Damn. Now he takes her body home where he defiles her corpse, dismembered her, and disposes of her remains. But first, he had disposed of some of her remains in one location. Her head's still in the car. He goes to his psychiatrist's appointment with her head in the car, which this is one of the points where they are finalizing his paperwork to be expunged. He's got a fucking head in the car.

SPEAKER_03 34:35

I'm just gonna be quiet right now because I just I'm gonna act like I don't hear you. I really don't want to play this game anymore, Lindsay. This is a nasty game. Don't tell me the moment I'm out almost. I remember I'm almost ready.

Escalation And Police Blind Spots

SPEAKER_07 34:49

And I don't know if I said this, but Aiko was only 15 years old. Lampsy. And her mother would report her missing and pass out hundreds of flyers, but not did not receive one single response. Now, for those three murders, like I said, he was living with a roommate, a roommate at an apartment. And then he moved back in with Clarnell. And those three murders, like I said, were all before his expungement, which was in November of that same year, 1972. And he's also going to hang out at the jury room and drinking with all these cops. And he is hearing that there is no leads. He's hearing what they are looking for and what they aren't looking for, and just he's he's taking it all in. And and enjoying it so much.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

Yeah, he's getting off on that. Dude, okay, okay. I said George Lucas earlier, but Rob Zombie wish he could write a movie like this. He needs to.

SPEAKER_07 35:50

Well, Ed Kemper is part of the inspiration for uh Leatherface and Hannibal, uh uh Silence of the Lambs. He's one of the he's one of the ones.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

Okay. I was just trying to figure out in somatic type form. It's just like, okay, this is the worst thing. No, I always say this. Why do I keep saying this?

SPEAKER_07 36:11

Danny Rowling was pretty fucking bad.

SPEAKER_03 36:13

This is probably no. This is okay. Maybe I'm just like disassociating each other.

SPEAKER_07 36:18

You disassociate because Danny Rowling was fucking horrific.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

Week by week disassociation.

SPEAKER_07 36:23

Well, this is another, another college, you know, another college student killer.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

I feel like I'm in the perfect candidate for you to have a co-host over here because I completely do I disassociate week by week because of Lindsay's stories.

SPEAKER_07 36:37

Well, I was like I said, I mean, Ed would be called the co-ed killer. Fuck. You know, and then Danny was the Gainesville Ripper. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:45

Yeah. So, but I mean, Danny didn't do this thing. He didn't do these. I mean, not with the the heads, the did you know you need to go back and listen to our episode and l we had a two-part uh Severed Head. Okay, he did he did some things with the severed heads, but it wasn't like this.

SPEAKER_07 37:03

This it was pretty fucking bad, Jesse. You just you forgot.

SPEAKER_03 37:07

So I'm the perfect co-host then. Leave me alone, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 37:11

All right, so here we go again. On January 7th, 1973, he picked up Cynthia Ann Shaw around the Cabrillo College campus. He took her to a wooded area, shot her with a 22, put her in the trunk, and brought her home to Clarnell's house. And Clarnell was home. So he stuffed Cynthia's body in the closet until his mother left for work the next day. Then he raped her corpse, beheaded, and dismembered her in Clarnell's bathtub. He kept Cynthia's head for a few days, forced oral sex on it, and then buried her head in the garden facing upwards towards his mother's room. And he says that he did this because his mother always wanted people to look up to her.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

I can't take it. I can't take this, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03 38:11

Lindsay, I can't.

SPEAKER_07 38:12

Now he took the rest of her remains and threw them off a cliff. On February 5th, 1973, he got in. So this becomes rage from mother's arguments. Okay. So he got in a huge argument with his mother and left and went driving. Now, by this time, there are four reported missing girls, all attending college. So students were advised to only take rides from buses or vehicles that had a university sticker on them. Well, Ed, he had one of those stickers.

SPEAKER_03 38:47

He already had one.

SPEAKER_07 38:48

Because his mother worked at University California, Santa Cruz. So on campus, this day on February 5th, he first got Rosalind Thorpe, who was coming right out of a lecture and thought he was just a fellow student who could give her a ride and got in his car. Then just a little bit a few minutes later, he picked up Allison Lou, who was hitchhiking. And this time, he's on campus. He slowed down the car and shot them both and put blankets over them. He had to go through security to get out. He just said, Oh, they're just drunk. This was like 3 p.m. in the afternoon. Said, oh, they're just drunk. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:36

Yeah, don't pay no attention to that shit back there behind me.

unknown 39:40

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_07 39:41

Then he gets home this time and he beheads them both in the driveway of his mother's house and just takes their headless bodies in the house and defiles them. He dismembers them, discards their remains, and some were found a week later at Eden Canyon, and then more of their remains were found near Route 1 the next month. And by the way, also, he's removing the bullets out of their body so they can't be traced back to him. Digging it out. Digging it out.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

Yeah. It's a lot of uh it's a lot of uh well I uh it's too much. It's this is way too much for me. Not for for the listeners. Y'all can soak this shit in, but I don't want to be, I I don't want to be part of this party.

SPEAKER_07 40:33

Well we're coming we're coming to the ends if that gives you any kind of comfort, but we've still got some more horrific things to speak.

Killing His Mother And Aftermath

SPEAKER_03 40:39

I need a whole fucking field full of tulips over here. Poppies. Poppy.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

Poppies.

SPEAKER_03 40:49

You know, wave your wand and I'll go to sleep in the poppies. I'll be I'm I'm good till tomorrow at least.

SPEAKER_07 40:55

On April 20th, 1973, Ed was asleep when Clarnell came home one night and kind of woke him up as she came home. And she was what he said soused. She had been to a party, and she was settling in bed and reading a book when Ed appeared in the room. And she looked at him annoyingly and said, I suppose you're gonna want to sit up and talk all night, right? And he said, No, good night. He waited till she was asleep, snuck back in her room, and bludgeoned her with a claw hammer.

SPEAKER_03 41:33

A fucking claw hammer?

SPEAKER_07 41:34

And slit her throat with a pen knife. And after he completely beheaded her, he put her head on a shelf and just screamed at her for over an hour and threw darts at her head and smashed her face in. Now there are some reports that he also defiled her corpse. No, but I did not hear physically hear him say that. All he said was that he humiliated. And I was thinking that that was screaming at and throwing the darts, so I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

Can you give me a break next time? I mean, I want to I want a light one after this one, Lindsay. Oh, yeah, the next one will be a little lighter. I want the uh the the um the easy pass, if you want to say. I mean I need I need one. I need can I have one, please? I mean, we do true crime.

SPEAKER_07 42:29

Yeah, but I'm over here balled up. I know, but I haven't had one this bad in a long time. You have to give me that.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

I thought the last one was bad.

SPEAKER_07 42:36

Yeah, Dorothy was bad wild. Oh, God. Yeah. Well, then he takes Clarnell's, he he cuts Clarnell's tongue and her larynx out and attempts to put them both down the garbage disposal. And this did not work, and the tissue from those organs was just spit back into the sink.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

Yeah. I have too much of an imagination of this.

SPEAKER_07 43:03

I can't. I don't know why, but I'm picturing like Tim Burton type shit with the and it's quirting back out.

SPEAKER_03 43:10

And it's quirting back out.

SPEAKER_07 43:12

Fuck. He stuffs Clarnell's body in the closet and goes to the bar and has a drink. Just out doing his fucking thing. Down at the jury room. Another one gone. But all the police officers, yeah. I'm gonna go hang out with the boys. Now, why he's having this drink, it dawns on him that his mother has a best friend named Sally Hallett. And this woman's probably gonna miss Clarnell. Because if it wasn't for Sally, she probably wouldn't even be missed. But I mean, she's got students. I mean, this is his own thinking, you know.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

Yeah, self-centered, fucking full-on, just wanting to get his gratification out of his mental instability.

SPEAKER_07 43:52

So he invites Sally over for dinner in a movie. And as soon as she gets there, no, he strangles her. Her and puts her in a closet. Then he decides it's time to go. I gotta run. So he leaves a note for the police and it says, approximately 5 15 a.m. on Saturday, no need for her to suffer anymore at the hands of this horrific murderous butcher. It was quick, asleep, the way I wanted, not sloppy and incomplete, gents. Just a lack of time. I've got things to do with two exclamation points.

SPEAKER_03 44:34

I can't I can't comment. I mean, dude, just like listen.

SPEAKER_07 44:38

I know, like, that's really not even comprehensive. That feels like it was written in a manic.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

And I don't give a fuck, I'm out, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 44:46

Now he said in interviews that he knew he was gonna kill his mother for quite some time. But why did Sally have to die, man? If he was just gonna turn himself in anyway. Now he feels that he there is a manhunt out for him. Like he's starting to get paranoid. So he pops some no-dos and drives straight through with no sleep for a thousand miles to Pueblo, Colorado.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

Oh, yeah, that's about right. Yeah. Fuck.

SPEAKER_07 45:17

And but he's listening to the radio. He's like waiting for to hear any information on anything about his mother or Sally.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

Was he listening to like Freebird the whole way there?

SPEAKER_07 45:26

Oh my god. Don't even bring Leonard Skinner into the shit, okay? But probably. Um, but he wasn't hearing anything. He wasn't hearing anything on the radio about his mom or Sally. So he calls the police himself and confesses.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

Oh, I ain't got enough attention.

SPEAKER_07 45:43

And they don't believe him.

SPEAKER_03 45:45

Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 45:46

Like, oh, crazy Ed. No damn way. No damn way. He had to call back several times before he was taken seriously.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

Ed at 369 over there doing his damn thing, just on on the run, just free. Free bird.

SPEAKER_07 46:03

But he says that after Clarnell died, he really he had served his purpose. He was done. And uh after he is apprehended, he confesses to all the student murders.

SPEAKER_03 46:16

How many are we up to? Seven?

SPEAKER_07 46:18

Oh my gosh, hold on. Let me count.

SPEAKER_03 46:20

I need to count.

SPEAKER_07 46:21

So he's got grandma and grandpa.

SPEAKER_03 46:23

Uh-huh. And the other chick, and then the the two grandma and grandpa, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 46:27

So then we've got um everybody break out your calculators at this moment.

SPEAKER_03 46:32

Break it out.

SPEAKER_07 46:33

Mary Ann and um and Anita. Ika Koo, Cynthia Shaw, his mother, and um uh Sally. Yes, it was eight count. Well, I'm getting there.

SPEAKER_03 46:47

Is that my math and math?

SPEAKER_07 46:48

Yes, it is eight counts. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 46:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 46:51

No, so I missed somebody. Oh, the other two girls, uh, the ones that he said were drunk.

SPEAKER_03 46:57

Oh, yeah, that he had them in the sheet, and yeah, yeah, that's nine. Nine, ten.

SPEAKER_07 47:02

Well, his grandma and grandpa, he's already been expunged for, so you can't even count them in this coming up confession, in this confession. But what's crazy is the police officers did not know about that. That he's hanging out with every day. They didn't know that he's absorbing arguably.

Trial Outcomes And Prison Life

SPEAKER_03 47:19

You're good to go, bro, but you got the you got the head in your trunk, but we don't know about that.

SPEAKER_07 47:23

So it was uh, so it was Marianne, Anita, Iica, Cynthia, Rosalind, and Allison. His mother and Sally. So it's eight. Yeah, it is eight. I think about eight.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

And then his then his grandparents. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 47:42

Oh yeah, ten.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Yeah, hit enter, and there it is. Holy fuck. Is there any more? There don't need to be any more. We're right.

SPEAKER_07 47:52

I just said he confessed, so he's he's done. Confess. Yeah. Confess. Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

Confess.

SPEAKER_07 48:00

Now he does after he's apprehended, he does attempt suicide twice before his trial. Now his lawyer uh entered in a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity, but three court-appointed psychiatrists found him sane. And he was also given truth serum uh for an interview where he had led allegedly admitted to also eating some of the victim's flesh in a casserole. He later on recanted this. So we don't we don't know how much of the truth that is. I don't know if he was leaning into that to get an insanity plea.

SPEAKER_03 48:36

Or just to get a rise for a little bit more fame, right? Right. A lot of serial killers love the fame. They're just like, I want to be bigger, I want to be bigger. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:44

When he was put on the stand, he said that he killed the victims because he wanted them for himself, like possessions. But when he was going to do the actual crime, it felt as though someone else had taken over. Like what does Dexter call it? Dark passenger. Yeah. Now he was found guilty on all eight counts. And Ed himself actually requested the death penalty, and he wanted to be tortured to death.

SPEAKER_03 49:12

Yeah, make this as slow as possible because this is what I deserve. At least there's some fucking hang on of humanity right there where he's just like, I do deserve this.

SPEAKER_07 49:21

And he loves to talk about this shit, man. There are so many. He loves to talk. He is so chatty.

SPEAKER_03 49:28

So what is what is like the the bird in little Nikki, and he's running around like they turn him into a bird because he was like the horny bird on the fucking limb.

SPEAKER_07 49:35

He's like, I deserve this. John love it. John love it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Oh, Rat Race is a good movie, too. Check that one out. Damn, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 49:47

Oh instead, he was given a life sentence for each count. He was sentenced to the California Medical Facility in Vocaville. I think I said that right. Now he would be on the same block as Herbert Mullen and Charles Manson, who we will talk about in the future. Herbert? Herbert was terrorizing California at the exact same time. Different MO though. So these cops, they are literally trying to pin on somebody there.

SPEAKER_03 50:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 50:21

They tried to pin all the murders that Ed did on Herbert, but it was a different MO. It was a different type of thing.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

It's exciting now. What? I'm getting excited now about this true crime shit. I mean, no, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_07 50:34

Herbert, I'm gonna give you a break. But Herbert, Herbert's a little down the line, and you know we're gonna cover Manson.

SPEAKER_03 50:39

So don't forget about all this. You know me. I know. Y'all know me, still the same old G.

SPEAKER_07 50:44

Now, Ed, he was still a model prisoner, and he has been in charge of scheduling psychiatrist appointments for other inmates and has narrated several books for the blind. Like over 5,000 hours this man has put in narrating books for the blind. He's narrated um uh what's the the VC Andrew Flowers in the Attic?

SPEAKER_01 51:07

Really?

SPEAKER_07 51:07

Um Petals in the Wind, the part two of that. Like he has narrated all kinds of audiobooks for the legal. This was before audiobooks was a thing. This was just for the hearing or the vision impaired, so they could listen. So it's Ed Kemper's voice they're listening to.

SPEAKER_03 51:26

Holy shit. I don't want to hear it. No, you're gonna give it to me though, I guarantee you. Oh, we're gonna hear this shit on the way back.

Palette Cleanser Song And Plugs

SPEAKER_07 51:33

Yeah, I'm just gonna let you listen to uh one of the several interviews that he has done on his crimes. And the one that I listened to is was called um it there was no like author anything. It is listed as an audiobook, but it's just called Interview with a serial killer, Ed Kemper, on Spotify. And uh yeah, that's what I listened to. Also did, you know, was uh watch some YouTube videos, referred to a lot of Wikipedia to get all this together here. And we will be posting the picture of our shot glass because we didn't bring it with us.

SPEAKER_03 52:10

We have an Ed Kemper shot glass.

SPEAKER_07 52:12

We have an Ed Kemper shot glass, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:14

You know, every time you tell these stories, it's just like here I am. Oh, I'm looking at you, but I am fully immersed in the imagination of what is actually happening while you're talking to me about it. And that's what he looks like. Look at this dude. Okay, yeah. Okay, we do have a shot glass like that. Okay. Ooh, I love those glasses, those Dahmer glasses that he has right there.

SPEAKER_07 52:39

Well, it was the 70s. I'm telling you, the 70s were fucking garbage, man. I used to want to grow up in the 70s until I learned about all this. And I'm like, oh, I'm so glad I didn't.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

Can I get some Dahmer glasses like that? Walk around. Will you love me more? Well, Dah, he was before Dahmer. So he was before Dahmer. Because the Dahmer was the 80s, right? Yeah. Maybe that's why Dahmer had those same glasses. Damn, those are Dahmer ass. Okay, those are Kimper ass glasses. Those are Kimper ass glasses right there. Damn. Lindsay, though, I mean.

unknown 53:10

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

I almost rough twisting and turning into all the little aspects and parts that you keep dumping on me through the 71st episode now. Oh, and I get I get I get more into that because I'm getting more into your story, and we're having this conversation, and you're just like, you're dumping it and you're throwing it. And I'm like, I'm over here. There's a whole nother like I'm I'm splitting between where I see you on in one eye, and then the other eye has this whole fucking picture of things that are actually happening physically, and the person is actually doing this. That's why it's so hard for me. It's it's it's really hard. And and that's probably the reason, the whole fucking reason why I completely gonna I let go. And I'm like, you know, I don't know anything about what we talked about like three or four months ago because I just let it go. I don't know why I'm like that. Isn't that weird? Does that make me like a better host? Um no, disassociating on purpose because I want to live in the moment. We can have our little fun, kiki and ha ha in the middle of the horrific.

SPEAKER_07 54:15

No, there are a lot of podcasters that say that sometimes they will come once they've got that particular um thing gone and taking it. Uh yeah, murderer or you know, that particular subject out of their system that they do, it's it gets spotty for them. So I mean, and it does for me too.

SPEAKER_02 54:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:35

But sometimes, but like when we're doing our recaps, like it all starts flooding back to me. And that's why I can do a lot of them without even looking at anything. Yeah. I'm gonna struggle with Dorthea, but or I did struggle with Dorthea on the recap, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:48

We just did. Yeah. Oh goodness, but I mean, just trying to like set that aside and then all the little aspects and particles that you just spat out into the the to the the world, you know. I wish that there were more of this back in the 70s. I wish we could have gone back to uh, you know, in the beginning of just audio recording to start sharing this, and there probably is. Maybe we need to look back into some of that. I know we were listening to other people telling stories and um and sharing, sharing, you know, just stories, but it was uh PG, you know, it wasn't near as graphic as what you're talking about, you know. Yeah, no, no, no. So a lot of people didn't even grasp onto it. It was just a it was a horrible story, but at the same time it wasn't near as graphic, so it doesn't latch on to you, never take a fucking ride, never be a hitchhiker, you know?

SPEAKER_07 55:40

Well, fortunately, because the knowledge of all these people is more and more out there, I mean this and also I also uh I think you know, a lot more therapy is is at your fingertips, literally. Um you know, we're s we're kind of I mean, there's still killers every day, but serial killers and spree killers is getting a lot less and less.

SPEAKER_03 56:03

Yeah. Well, with the dawn of technology and pickup rides and things like Uber and and everything like that, you could twist that into a whole fucking But everything's on camera. At least everything's on camera.

SPEAKER_07 56:14

Camera documented on the phone.

SPEAKER_03 56:16

Yeah. Technology is helping out with a lot of that. So maybe we'll stay away from all that. That's just creepy as fuck, though. God, I know. Oh, Lindsay. Well, um, that's it, right? Uh the case.

SPEAKER_07 56:27

That is our the end of our coverage on Good Emperor.

SPEAKER_03 56:31

I really thank you, Lindsay. I don't know, but thank you.

SPEAKER_07 56:43

What's crazy is, and like I said, I'm gonna let you listen to some of this tomorrow. I'm gonna write him. Um the way this man talks so matter-of-factly about everything he it's it's very weird, the feeling that you get.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

No, he's so intelligent he can control any conversation and what he's trying to put out.

SPEAKER_07 57:04

Yeah, and I mean the only time he actually like breaks down is when he's talking about Clarnell.

SPEAKER_03 57:10

Yeah. The rest though is just to the point, very strategic on in all of his words and mannerisms, right? So intelligent. A lot of them are, aren't they? Fuck. Well, thank you, Lindsay, and thank you guys for following along.

SPEAKER_07 57:25

So to this point, can I do my what palette cleansing band do you have for us today?

SPEAKER_03 57:34

So I have Jason Chanel, and this song is called Finesse, and you're gonna fucking love it, Lindsay. This is perfect.

SPEAKER_07 57:43

Excited.

unknown 57:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:46

We'll we're rockin' where you rockin' with the best.

SPEAKER_05 58:06

Yeah, yeah. I can break it down for real quick real quick. Yeah, like in the best, yeah, feel like we put the best with the best.

SPEAKER_00 58:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You rockin' with the finest. Tell me what these YouTube is always like you're rockin' with some minus. I'm on a mine like I'm stacking up on diamonds. Swinging up the ring, I'ma crack it, leave a shiner. You should never sell a course online without killing yourself. You should never ever pay for a feature from a bum ass underground rapper. Cause you be building yourself. That boss, I'm kinda dumb. You don't need Jesus, give me a rehab, a nicotine gum. The name of catalogue of magazine, and picking me from original and the mission is one.

SPEAKER_05 59:31

Here we are, here we are. Ain't nobody gonna take me down though, yeah, yeah. We fucking we fucking with the best.

SPEAKER_04 59:50

It's the best when you stay pissed, say we just like Lindsay Lindsay Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:40

That was so fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:41

Wasn't that fun? Lots of fun. That's like some methods of mayhem. Yeah, yeah. Methods of Mayhem had a a thing like that with Tommy Lee, and he he really sounded a lot like that. So that is really in my fucking DNA, dude. That his music and his words and everything about that just reminded me of everything in the late 90s. I love it. And that kind of music is who who you rocking with? Yes, I love that. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:10

Very good jam, very good jam.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:12

And it might be channel, but I think it's Chanel, Jason Chanel, right? I mean, that's what I'm thinking. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:17

Channel or Chanel, either one.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:19

No, I I love it. I love it. Keep on pumping them out, dude. Awesome stuff, awesome. Yeah, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:26

Yes, make sure you like and follow him. And then make sure you like and follow us.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

Yeah, do the things.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:34

Um, we are really needing some um reviews and comments. Give us a good review if you like us. And so here we go with our plugs. So on our main website is drinkabout something.sight. On Instagram, we are drinkabout something. If you want to send us an email, we are drinkaboutsomething pod at gmail.com and on Spotify, not Spotify, fuck, on TikTok, drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay, and YouTube, just type in Gen Z, J-E-N-D-S-C-Y, and you will be partying with us.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:09

Yes, party party.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:10

And on YouTube you can see our visual recaps on Wednesdays, and then our normal audio episodes are on there as well for that we put out on Friday.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:18

And then very soon, I think I'm gonna be doing my own little story for Lindsay. I know it's coming up, it's coming up, and it was bad, and I really hated putting it together, and I got it all put together, but we're gonna do it soon whenever she has a pocket for me to put it in, and I'm ready.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:31

Well, yeah, so Jesse was telling me about a case, and he decided to take upon himself to watch the shit, and he's like, I'm destroyed. And I was like, Well, then you're covering this one. I didn't want to do it, I don't want to do it. And I'm gonna be surprised because I hadn't even had a chance to look at anything yet, and you know all about it. I know nothing.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:48

I used AI and I watched, I watched a couple of documentaries, and then I I put it together like just looking back and then building this backwards and forwards historic, horrific, 40-year fucking tumultuous fucking thing that you guys are gonna have to check out that I'm gonna tell a story about, so stay tuned for that, right? Y'all I'm not ready to do it. Yeah, I'm gonna fuck it all up, Lindsay. You know how I am. That's not gonna be cool. Nobody's gonna like it. They're gonna love it.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:15

I'm gonna love it. I'm gonna be intrigued.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:17

No, they're not. They're gonna be like Jesse's stories? No, I don't want to hear Jesse's stories.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:21

I'm gonna get to be on the listening end of that, which I'm looking forward to. But for now, we are gonna sign off so we can finish our weekend. Yeah, we love you so much, and we'll see you next week for something more and more and more just as horrific, but a little lighter.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:37

Thank you. I really needed something, but uh, I hope I destroy you with that, Lindsay. I hope I destroy you. It's my turn.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:43

Yeah. Destruction. Destruction. No, we're going to do things by the pool and things and things, right? Yes. Yeah. Uh yeah, we love you so much. And Lindsay just wants to say this famous fucking phenomenal fucking word because fuck, Lindsay, fuck.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:57

Love you. Bye.