Bonus Episode And Friday Vibes

SPEAKER_07 0:00

Hey Jesse. Hello Lindsay. So I just want to let y'all know. So we're recording back to back today. Jesse just broke me. So make sure you listen to Thursday's bonus episode. Yeah. Before you listen to this one. Go back. Go back.

SPEAKER_02 0:21

We'll be right here waiting. I hope I did it right. I don't know. I probably fucked it all up.

SPEAKER_07 0:25

We'll be right here waiting.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

No uh no hate there. If you have hate, just let me know. But uh, I don't know. I th I I think I did okay.

SPEAKER_07 0:35

I mean great stab. I may have wrote the end.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

I may have wrote the wrong things wrong in spots. I don't know. I might have done it wrong, dude. Like I may have not have fucking done it. You did a great job, man. I don't even know. I just I did the best I could.

SPEAKER_07 0:46

We're actually in the middle, we're almost at the end of the documentary tied to that case that is on our bonus episode to go back. So I would normally ask Jesse what he's drinking today, but I already know because I made it. Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

It's good.

SPEAKER_07 1:02

Yes, I made us a cherry lime vodsade.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

It's very good.

SPEAKER_07 1:06

It's delicious with some vodka, lime juice, lime soda, and cherry lush. Cherry slush. Cherry baby.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Can I finish?

SPEAKER_07 1:23

Yeah. Cherry baby.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Cherry baby. Cherry baby.

SPEAKER_07 1:36

Won't you come out tonight? And happy Friday, listeners.

SPEAKER_02 1:41

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I really am not, but we're on YouTube, we're watching uh House of Prayer Cult Survivors Exposed and a Young. So you can look that up on YouTube. There's so much more to check out on that. I talked about it just, but I don't think I did it justice. You need to go watch the thing, you know.

SPEAKER_07 2:33

Well make sure you just uh check out Jesse's uh bonus episode that came out yesterday because he broke me. Like I usually break him. So he broke me.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

Like she's balling. I'm all like, I got you back.

Feeling Old And Nostalgia Hits

SPEAKER_07 2:47

I forgot to turn to my Courtney. Courtney is my plant. Robert is your plant. But without all that being said, you know, I have this question for you, sir. What made you feel old this week?

SPEAKER_02 3:02

I cannot see most of the shit on my computer screen while I'm doing work. My screen. I'm like, dude, like, hang on, wait a minute. I lean forward to see the damn shit on there. I'm like, I need to reconfigure my damn font. Yeah. And knowing that and I've been holding back, Lindsay. I've been holding back for like fucking a couple of years now. I'm like, I really need to configure my font on my computer because I can't fucking see some of the stuff without leaning forward. That made me feel old.

SPEAKER_07 3:30

I've had eye problems my whole life, but I was gonna say, so you have you are already a contacts slash or glasses slash contacts wear. Yeah. But guess what? I can't read. I I have no vision problems that I know of. You're up close to starting to go see you. That's what I'm saying. I can't read fine print either. And I also have to turn the brightness up on my tablet at work.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

Yeah, she and I can't read the shit that is on prescriptions. Just hold it close, and you still can't see that shit anyhow. No, I have to take a picture of uh fine print and blow it up. And zoom it in. You're like, oh, wait a fucking minute. I can't see how many fucking what do you give milligrams per dose per kid, fucking grandkids and shit, making sure they got the oh this cold medicine is kicking my eyes right in the ass. It is. It did. I mean, no, you and I have made that pact. And we should bring salvation back. And I need readers. Yes, that's true.

SPEAKER_07 4:41

I do. I also need to get my astigmatism uh checks in too.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

But you're far away, is fine. I think that we need some helpers. That's what they used to call it in our days. I need night help. Didn't they call them helpers? Sir. I need to get my helpers on. I've needed night help for some time. Oh, that makes you feel old right too. Yeah. So we're agreeing to agree. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 5:01

100%. That's me. So today, you just destroyed me. Like I said, we recorded back to back today.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

Well, you gotta put a fucking brake pad on that there, Lindsay. You didn't tell me what made you feel old this weekend.

SPEAKER_07 5:12

I did.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

I just bounced off of yours with the small print. Oh, I wanted something original, Lindsay. I wanted something original, but I get it. No, come on. That's okay.

SPEAKER_07 5:20

Okay, so I will say this. So I think we have talked about this in the past, but um I I miss I miss classic Pizza Hut, man.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 5:32

I miss going to Pizza Hut with the stained glass fucking lamps with the red plastic cups that you got your delicious crispy Coca-Cola in. The Coca-Cola. It was actually Pepsi. It was Pepsi.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

They were Pepsi. Yeah. Yeah. And hard red plastic, though, yes.

SPEAKER_07 5:48

And I miss going, I miss having my salad bar before my piping hot pizza came to my table as I had won a personal pan pizza through Book It because I read all the books. Yeah. And for my frugal ass family, even though we ate out all the time, but for some reason Pizza Hut was a treat. That was the only time we went to Pizza Hut was when I had gotten my personal pan prize for reading.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

A Bion Roll for me, and I got to go to Pizza Hut like three times, and then it changed. Did you not do Book It? Well, we had A Bion Road in Kentucky when I when I was a child, and it was like, cool. I get a free pizza pie. That was cool. Down here it was McDonald's, I think it was.

SPEAKER_07 6:35

Yes, we got A Bionroll, you got McDonald's, you got some fries, or you got a happy mill.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Who had the fucking record that had the whole McDonald's menu? And if you say this, you can get you get a chance to win a million dollars. If you sent it in, you could say the big DOT the quarter pound with a cheese hamburger, a cheeseburger, and check my card.

SPEAKER_07 6:55

No, I played Monopoly. I played the fuck out of McDonald's Monopoly.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

No, dude, this was in the 80s, like 80s something.

SPEAKER_07 7:01

Oh, was this before?

SPEAKER_02 7:02

They sent it to you in the mail. It was like this paper fucking CD that you put, like a uh seven uh number seven or whatever. Seven, what was the seven point two or whatever the smaller record?

SPEAKER_07 7:13

I don't know this. Enlighten me.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

The smaller record, right? So you had to put it on there and you played a record player and it had the whole big Mac the whole McDonald's menu on there, and you had to say it real fast like that. And if you said it and sent it in, recorded it, you could win a million dollars. Do you remember Mac Tonight? I do. This was Mac Tonight Times. This was like birthday.

SPEAKER_07 7:36

For you youngsters out there, this was a uh a moon-shaped man with a big head, moon-shaped. He had a moon head. Yeah. And he sang about Big Macs. He was the Mac Daddy. And he had glasses. He was he was smooth. He was very smooth, very cool.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

This is around the time when actually McDonald's had characters. The hamburglar, Grimace.

SPEAKER_07 7:56

The fries.

SPEAKER_02 7:58

They had the fries, the uh chicken nuggets. Remember, they did the singing? Remember, they were like the there was like three of them. They did like the singing.

SPEAKER_07 8:06

There was like a whole Saturday morning McDonald's cartoon episode with all these characters.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

And to bounce real quick, because I know we've been on old for a minute, and we this is the longest old I think we ever did, but I seen a picture of Lindsay as a flower girl from 1986.

SPEAKER_07 8:22

And we went to eat and we found the people while we're sitting there. Literally, while we're waiting for our table, they came up.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

They came up. And they were there, they look kind of similar, just the size. Like, you look the same as your wedding pictures.

SPEAKER_07 8:36

And we were just noticing how much I or my my grandchild looked like our grandchild.

SPEAKER_02 8:42

Yeah, you look like our grandchild. And when you're in the wedding pictures, that they walked up and they look the same. Holy shit, Lindsay. We have stories though. You have stories. I know we've we've we went on for old for days. Shaking your paper at me. I know you're finna fuck me up. Damn it, Lindsay. Well, you just fucked me up, so it's my turn. Your turn.

SPEAKER_07 9:02

All right, ladies and gentlemen, listeners, Jesse, they're thems. We are drinking about Susan Cox Powell today. Do you know this at all? Not ringing a bell.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

I hope not.

SPEAKER_07 9:16

Of some of our true crime like listeners, like that know true crime, they'll know this story. Alright. So Susan Marie Cox was born on October 16th, 1981. Just a little bit before you, Pooh. And I'm gonna fuck this up. Alamogordo. Ala Mogordo? New Mexico.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Oh, love it. We've been to New Mexico before.

SPEAKER_07 9:44

Alamogordo? Alamogordo, maybe. Okay. Hit me up, listeners, if I'm saying that wrong. I think that Alamogordo sounds a little bit more. Okay. So she was born to Chuck and Judy Cox. She had three sisters and one brother. And they move to Poyup, Washington. And I don't know if I said that right. I apologize. But it's spelled P-U-Y-A-L-L-U-P. Poy up. That sounds right, right?

SPEAKER_02 10:11

I don't fucking know. Roger Wave. Go, girl. Go.

SPEAKER_07 10:16

So they moved there when Susan was 13, and it was her dream to become a cosmetologist. Now, not only did she want to be a cosmetologist, she wanted to have a little beauty shop attached to a dog grooming shop. So cute. So while you were getting groomed, your little pooper snooper could get groomed, like and get his like glands like all you know, squeezed out and everything. Have you been on puppy grooming side of TikTok?

SPEAKER_02 10:48

No, but I know that's it is adorable. Yeah. As fuck. Oh my god. But when they squeeze squeeze the old anus gland there's a lot of things. Well, I'm not talking about it.

SPEAKER_07 10:57

I'm talking about cleaning their little puppy toes and wiping their little puppy ears and their little noses and their little cutesy wootsies, all the little things.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Well, sometimes you just gotta have your gland squeezed to be beautiful.

SPEAKER_07 11:08

Oh my god, stop making this dirty.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Well, it's just a butthole. Sorry.

SPEAKER_07 11:15

Now the Cox family seems to have been a very loving family. And uh they were part of the LDS Mormon community. Let's rate say, and this community is how Susan would later meet Josh Powell. Now Joshua Powell was born on January 20th, 1976, to Stephen and Terrica Powell. Terrica is like Erica with T. And they were in Poyup, Washington.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

That's Terrica with an extra America.

Josh Powell’s Upbringing And Red Flags

SPEAKER_07 11:50

Yes. Marca. Now he had two brothers named Michael and John, and two sisters named Jennifer and Alina, and this family was also Mormon. To Terrica, their religion and church community was very important. But after a while, Stephen began to pull away. It said that he let his boys do whatever the fuck they wanted to do and introduced them to hardcore pornography at very young ages. Stephen wouldn't discipline them and let them treat their mother with complete disrespect. It said that Josh threatened his mother with a knife at some point in his teenage years and also killed his sister's gerbil. Fucking hey, dude. And Daddy Steve did nothing about it. It's a nine-foot salad already. It's also said that Steven was abusive mostly towards Josh, and Josh had attempted suicide at some point during these teenage years as well. So Tarika had had enough. And even though it is highly frowned upon in the LDS community, she filed for divorce in 1992. She let the church know that Stephen had exposed the boys to pornography. And she also says that he wanted to have a second wife. Because you know, polygamy is kind of a thing in the LDS community. But it was not a thing anymore at this point in time in the Mormon community. But this woman that he was kind of obsessed with was already married and wanted absolutely nothing to do with Stephen at all. This was just like a little delusion of his that cost him his wife. When Josh was 22, he moved to Seattle to attend the University of Washington, and he met and quickly moved in with a woman named Catherine Everett. And it didn't take long for his true colors to show. Because you know, men like Josh, I'm gonna go ahead and say it. He's narcissistic, he's the product of his father's upbringing. They love bomb, they get you in.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Oh, he's a religious version of Ron Jeremy over here.

Marriage Control And Financial Abuse

SPEAKER_07 14:12

And uh he would start to become controlling. He controlled whoever she hung out with, and he even controlled how much time she spent with her own family. Luckily, Catherine did not allow this for very long. Uh, I don't think it was even a year into it. She took off to a friend's house and broke up with Josh over the phone. She was like, bye. Josh moves back to Poyap and was enrolled in the local LDS Institute of Religion course. And Susan Cox was enrolled at in this course at the same time. Josh throws a dinner party for young Mormon Singles, and Susan attends. They meet and they are chatting, and they both find that they love parrots and they start dating, quickly got engaged, and on April 6th, 2001, they were married, and this was just six months after they met.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Wow. Six months. He showed up with all the amazingness. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 15:22

Susan, by the way, was just 19, and Josh was 23. 23 or 24, somewhere in there. The Cox family didn't really like Josh. Well, actually, I think that they just kind of saw them for who he was. He was selfish and arrogant. But Susan, she she was blinded by love.

SPEAKER_02 15:44

Right. As a 40-year-old, a five-minute conversation brings out a whole lot. But what you can't see as a 19-year-old, you're just looking at all the glamour, all the sparkle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 15:55

And Susan was raised in the LDS community, and your ultimate goal is to get married and have children.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

Yeah, you gotta keep it in.

SPEAKER_07 16:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

You gotta keep it in the uh the uh the culturalistic religious beliefs in society.

SPEAKER_07 16:13

And I mean, like I said before, like he did to Catherine Everett, he loved bombs, he bought her amazing gifts, and then when they got married, he would later be described as legendary status for his controlling. Legendary status. That is an actual quote from a person later on.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

So full on support though from everybody, right? You're a legend, bro.

SPEAKER_07 16:36

You're legendarily controlling. Yeah, good job. Yeah. Now, even though they both worked, Susan, she was actually the breadwinner. She also had to do all of the cleaning, cooking, laundry, grocery shopping. And he required, Josh required Susan to keep a strict account of all the spending. He even wanted her to knit her own socks instead of buying them, which he's a dumbass because that's actually more expensive.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:10

My fingers hurt.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Well, you just pulled guard duty. Fucking eggs.

SPEAKER_07 17:19

You will go to sleep or I will put you to sleep.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Yeah. You can have a little bit of shut the hell up.

SPEAKER_07 17:26

A warm glass.

SPEAKER_02 17:27

They'll shut the hell the hell up. Yeah. Damn.

Stephen Powell’s Obsession Escalates

SPEAKER_07 17:31

And she would actually only be able to use the car, their car, with permission. And I think this car was actually in her fucking name. If I'm if I'm remembering correctly. I didn't write it down, but I think so. Control. Now, Josh, he pretty much did what he pleased and bought what he wanted to, and he got them right into debt. Now, Susan, she starts to keep a journal of her everyday life, and she had been for years. And in her journal, it says, about eight months into the marriage, that they have to move in with Stephen, Josh's dad. And Steven's a fucking creep. Okay. This is the one that I told you he wanted to have uh an open marriage, I guess as you would say, with somebody who wasn't interested in him at all because he's delusional. And he becomes absolutely obsessed with Susan.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

This is a shitty ass picture out here. Oh, it's a lie. Poor fucking Susan. What? No. Is this no? Am I team?

SPEAKER_07 18:32

I mean, okay, anybody doesn't isn't familiar. And I apologize, LDS, if I get this wrong, but this is what I have been told and read about for very many years about the LDS community. Once you're in, you're kind of in. So she's locked into this thing.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

You gotta stick with it, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 18:52

So they move in with Steven, and Steven is a fucking creep. Like I said, he's absolutely obsessed with her. He starts videoing her constantly. This dude is always on his fucking camcorder. And for children who don't know what a camcorder is, this is what you recorded videos with before cell phones came along. Blocky handheld device, right in your face. Very blocky. And even in the 90s, like they were a little bit smaller, but they were still a block.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

I find it just as cringe, though, for people to grab their phone and be like, I'm gonna hide behind this and video this and talk all my shit. Oh, it's just as cringe. They're doing it right now.

SPEAKER_07 19:27

So just he was Steven was constantly making her uncomfortable. Now he also documents audio on some of his videos on how beautiful she is, how much he wants her, and how she he thinks that she wants him. And he even wrote a love song about her. This is father-in-law, if I haven't made that clear.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Okay, fucking with me right now. And he wanted to bring her there, knowing that this was gonna fucking happen. He knew it. Yeah. That the fuck.

SPEAKER_07 19:58

And he would videos because, like I said, Steven has already introduced all of his male children into hardcore porn from a very young age. Okay. This is part of the reason why Tareka divorced him. Okay. So Steven would video Susan doing her makeup, doing laundry, shaving her legs, recording her and Josh just hanging out. And most of the time, she did not know that it was happening. Now, if you watch the documentary, you will see, and then I'm gonna plug a little later on. You will see that sometimes it seems as though she's kind of allowing it. But I think this is just my own personal opinion. Oh, it's not my own personal opinion, it's a lot of people's uh opinion. Like I said, she feels like she's in this marriage forever.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

House situation. She's gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_07 20:50

She's having to live with Steven because her husband is so bad with money that he got them into debt. So she feels like she kind of has to go along with all of this. It's like a survival tackle.

SPEAKER_02 21:01

She's trying to go by the rules of the house that she's dumped off into, and then she has a religion up on uh in on top of it. She has to fucking conform into everything. And she's thinking, because she's still young, very young. She's thinking, this is my way of life now. Yeah. Uh, so I better like kind of kiki ha ha a little bit, even though it's cringe, but I'm kind of letting you know, but I'm kind of like, whatever, you know, which also could seem like a signal where he's like, oh yeah. Yeah, thank you for letting me know.

SPEAKER_07 21:28

Steven, we're gonna get more into Steven. So like I said, she knows that he's recording all the time, but she doesn't really specifically know that he's recording her all the time. There's just fucking camcorder in this dude's hand at all times of the day.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

Yeah, Steven, the dirty nut rag, fucking walking around with literally. Oh my god. Yeah. Nasty bastard, you.

SPEAKER_07 21:49

He even records a monologue on how he had the most erotic experience of his entire life by rubbing Susan's feet. When she was sick. The most erotic experience of his entire life. He says that. His own words.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Lanzi, don't make me lose what's in my stomach right now.

SPEAKER_07 22:10

And he was like, you know, and he just knew that she liked it. You like this, right? It was like he was talking himself into this delusion that he will continue to have. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

Yeah, he's trying to create something. He's trying to manifest something into being able to have a deeper connection with her. And she's just like, uh, thank you for the channel.

SPEAKER_07 22:34

Well, that I'm about to talk about that. So it all comes to a head when he announces to Susan out loud and on video that he loves her. And she's like, dude, I'm married to your son. You gotta stop this. And this is on video. Like, this is for 100% for real.

Susan’s Missing Night And The Lie

SPEAKER_02 22:54

And he's probably saying this shit to her like every 15 minutes in every room that they're in together. Pretty much. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 23:00

So the couple decides to move out finally on their own into West Valley, Utah. Susan, unfortunately, is not living her dream of being a cosmetologist with a little doggy grooming side compartment. Um, but she gets a job as a stockbroker. So she's making good money. And Josh gets work as an IT. They make friends through the church and seem to be thriving. So it was time to, yeah, it was time to start making babies. But let me insert this little fact right here. Susan pretty much clicked with anyone because Susan was amazing. And Josh, he would just kind of dominate the conversations. He never really clicked with anyone the way that Susan did. He would just be this overbearing presence at all times. And if you wanted to spend time with Susan, you just kind of had to bear with Josh. Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

You just had to have a conversation with her friends. He just shows up. Look at my boots. I'm new boot goofing. New boot goofing. Look at my boots. They're right. Yeah. Genuine seal skin. Right. Look at the book. Genuine ostrich leather. Ostrich leather. Look at these. He's just like, and everybody's like, oh, yeah. Okay. And then they go back to talk about makeup.

SPEAKER_07 24:26

Right. So in 2005, she has their first son named Charlie. For when she went into labor. Josh made, okay, so this is, I found this in a few different sources, but this doesn't make sense to me. And I'm going to explain.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

I know where you're fixing to go. Just fucking do it, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 24:45

Fuck. Josh made her call her parents for a ride. But her parents, as far as I know, they're in West Valley, Utah. Her parents, as far as I know, are in fucking Washington. So I don't know how this is possible. But, anyways, it is said that he made her call her parents for a ride to the hospital while she's in labor because he was busy backing up his computer. What? And he doesn't show up to the hospital until two hours later.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Okay, I didn't know where you were fixing to go. I thought she was she was gonna have a surprise visit by father-in-law with a fucking camera while she's having the baby.

SPEAKER_07 25:21

I'm actually surprised that that didn't happen.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Holy shit, you're fixing, oh, spread that open. Let me get there.

SPEAKER_07 25:26

Stop it. Oh so yeah, he doesn't show up to the hospital till two hours after Charlie is born. Could you imagine that? Could you? You were right there by my side. You took off work when even your job was like, why?

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Yeah, no, it was it was that, or I don't know, lose it all. I don't care, dude. You only get this once for me, you know, and I did not care. I was like, take it or leave it, you know, whatever. Right. Write the termination report up if you want to. I'm gonna spend a couple of days with my wife and having our first child together, only child together. I'm gonna do this, you know.

SPEAKER_07 26:02

And which I have to have c-section, so I was mandatory in the hospital for 72 hours.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Yeah, it was planned. I mean, everything could be prepared at work or whatever. Right.

SPEAKER_07 26:11

And we both on that.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

God, why? Old fucking southern bullshit.

SPEAKER_07 26:19

My oldest son has he's a wonderful dad. He has taken it upon himself because he because he was what, 12 when Silas was born. So he helped out with diaper changes and bath time, and it wasn't forced upon him. He wanted to. So when his children were born, he automatically already had that in him.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

Yeah, the only thing I ever dropped on him was like, hey, uh, it wouldn't be a bad thing for you to figure this out. That way you can be a good daddy.

SPEAKER_07 26:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

And he seen me as coming up as a stepdad, really respected that, and I appreciate that about him.

SPEAKER_07 26:53

But he's been given hell by some of the good old boy people that he is related to on the paternal side. He's been given hell because he changes diapers and he feeds babies. Like, what? Right.

unknown 27:06

Shit.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

I probably suck all of that. I probably changed more of Silas's diapers than Lindsay did.

SPEAKER_07 27:12

Nah.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

Nah, nah. Okay, I can change. Okay, I'll say it's probably equal. Yeah, I can compete. As a man.

SPEAKER_07 27:17

Can you be the kids in daycare? I think we all put in our time.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can compete. I can say that I did not ever shy away from doing whatever my son needs.

SPEAKER_07 27:28

So I had three before I met you.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

So well, they were out of diapers by the time I came around.

SPEAKER_07 27:32

But I've changed more diapers than I'm talking about ours together.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

I really did appreciate.

SPEAKER_07 27:38

Yeah, you were right there. You did the thing.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

I appreciate I was appreciative of the uh responsibility of fatherhood, you know. I was like, I'm fucking taking all this in. No matter anything my child needs, I'm doing it right then, you know.

SPEAKER_07 27:49

I remember I think it was one of the first Sundays that I had to work, and you and the boys had sigh, and I came home. It was one of the first few, and I came home, and like one or two of y'all were literally gagging. You were doing the thing, we were getting after it, though. But you were well, you know, over changing a shitty diaper. And I thought it was so funny. Like it was a group project. Yeah, they were making sure like one was getting the wipes out and one was holding the back.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

Oh my god, turn your head. There it comes. You do the wiping. No, you hand me that. You know, yeah, we did the whole, yeah. And but you know what, we we did the damn thing, you know. And stepfatherhood kind of helped me out with a lot of that because you had to take you had to learn how to take care of people and just being a good ass uncle before I met.

SPEAKER_07 28:37

I was about to say, and you've you've you did uncleism before all that.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

I changed some some diapers before that, so I didn't care. You know, it's human, you're raising a little human that you want to just take care of.

The Investigation And A Family Turns

SPEAKER_07 28:46

Well, baby, like baby's yellow ass, stinky ass poo can be very gagworthy. Like if you're not used to it. Yeah. Well, in 2007, um, the couple had a second boy named Braden. Now, Josh would continue to be controlling, and now it would be how much the boys would eat. He thought, so later on, they're going to daycare, you know, because they're both they're a working couple. He thought that since they would eat at daycare, this is not really funny. I'm just, I'm laughing at the audacity, okay? He thought that since they would eat at daycare, they didn't need to spend money on a nighttime meal that they would just poop out later.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

No, he would have more money to fuck off and do what he wanted to, you selfish bastard. Like, who the fuck thinks like that? Them kids are fucking growing, dude. They need that nourishment, the correct nourishment at whatever times structurally, you know?

SPEAKER_07 29:42

Well, Susan would have to call her friends to borrow food to feed the boys because they would cry from being hungry. And I'm gonna tell you this right now. You know, I know, your memory sucks, but I'm sure you remember your daycare meals, your school meals was minimal. They're minimal and they're horrible. Yeah. Just like my kids. So when you come home, that nighttime meal is is pretty much like your nourishment for the day. Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

You're a kid, you're out and about doing your things, you get a little meal in you, but you want to come home to your home and have something nice, right? Prepared. And you turn that into a good building block of respect and just household admiration for having a good family unit.

SPEAKER_07 30:32

Well, I mean, you in this house, we're we're unconventional or unconventional. Uh Jesse works days, I work nights, but I make sure that Silas has a good meal for lunch so that Jesse really doesn't have to make something extravagant at dinner time.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Yeah, he gets that connectivity once a day, no matter what, though.

SPEAKER_07 30:53

Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:54

And even if like Jesse decides to take him to pick up fast food or he goes to his nanas, or he just makes something himself. We have given him also, now that he's older, the tools to make a handful of little things that he can make himself.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Yeah, once once or so a month, we'll just inspire him to be like participant in that, you know. It's just like, come on, let's let's make this together. This is what you wanted this month. We'll do a special meal, or I'll do something special or whatever in the evening, just to keep him involved in that. That's childhood. You're trying to raise kids to learn to do dishes and take care of the kitchen and cook meals for themselves. And I I participate in that just as much. I mean, you do it every day.

SPEAKER_07 31:38

Me, I'm just like, you know, well, they say he and I go out at least once a week. You and him go out at least once a week. Yeah. And then we let him pick a meal that I'm gonna cook at least twice a month because, you know, it's like we also had the grandkids, and then we have Landon, who I also let pick. You know, it's just a it's a thing, but nobody goes hungry around here. The mindset as to well, they're just gonna poop it out later. I mean, who I don't understand that. Like, I I I don't understand that. So anyway, Steven, he's still making advances towards Susan long distance now, and Josh he doesn't try to stop his dad like whatsoever. But he just accuses Susan of trying to seduce him.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

It's not working, so he's gotta come up with something, right?

SPEAKER_07 32:29

Right. And Josh, just like his dad, starts pulling away from the church, which concerns Susan because the church is very important to her, as it was to Tarica. So she suggests marriage counseling, but Josh, he doesn't take that very seriously at all. And now, like I said before, Susan would barely spend anything, but Josh is spending on everything. He bought computers and gym equipment and gadgets and gizmos of plenty and racked up$200,000 in debt.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

Fucking hell. That takes work. I know you were going a little mermaid there at the beginning, but still, like on this side of it, that's breaking a fucking household right there, dude.

Vigil, Media Pressure, And The Warrant

SPEAKER_07 33:16

200 that's probab that's probably more than their home was worth.

SPEAKER_02 33:20

Yeah. So selfish.

SPEAKER_07 33:22

Such a selfish narcissist, okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:25

Yeah, he was doing some dirt though behind the fucking behind the bushes enduring all that. We ain't found out yet, but I think I know, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 33:33

Susan was starting to consider divorce, and this was around 2008. And she makes a video that you can easily find, but we're going to play a short clip.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Uh, this is me. July 29th, 2008. It is 1233 mountain time. Um, covering all my bases, making sure that if something happens to me or my family or all of us, that our assets are documented. Hope everything works out and we're all happy and live happily ever after as much as that's possible.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Oh, okay, Lindsay. So she's just trying to build something where she can get out.

SPEAKER_07 34:20

I'm guessing.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 34:22

So she goes through the house and documents all their things on video because her attorney had advised her to. Another year later, on December 9th, 2009, Susan's friend Giovanna Owning comes over for a visit. And this was after Susan and the boys had come home from church. And I think they walked home that day because you know, Josh wouldn't let him have the car without permission.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

No, you're spending my money.

Evidence Found In Stephen’s Home

SPEAKER_07 34:51

Now, this day, uh, Giovanna says that Josh was unusually nice. He actually was being loving towards Susan. He tugged her in a blanket and made her pancakes. And Giovanna was kind of like, what? This man is cooking? And then he cleans up too. This is a huge deal. This did not fucking happen. Now, Susan, after eating the pancake, she said she was tired and went to bed. And Giovanna left, but not before she heard Josh say that he was gonna take the boys sledding. The next morning, Josh doesn't show up for work. Susan doesn't show up for work, and the kids aren't dropped off to the nanny. The nanny, Deborah Caldwell, she calls Tereka, Josh's mom. And uh she can't get a hold of anyone, Tereka can't get a hold of anyone. People start showing up to the house, and there's no answer at the door. So Terrica calls the police.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

As Lindsay winds up with her big hatchet to destroy me, here it comes.

SPEAKER_07 36:02

Oh, shut up. You destroyed me. The police come a little after 10 a.m. along with Tareka and Josh's sister, Jennifer. They give the police permission to break into the house because the police was like, We'll try and break in, but you got to make sure you're gonna you're gonna be liable for anything that we break or damage, whatever, trying to get in here. So they do that. And the first thing that is noticed is there are two box fans aimed at a freshly cleaned couch. Susan's purse and keys are all still there. The local police, they are like, this needs an investigator. So they call Ellis Maxwell. Now, this was a couple of hours later when he would show up, and this now potential crime scene has been tampered with. Like the family's been all in it, the police has been all in it. Ellis is kind of pissed. But um, while Ellis Maxwell is in his car, I guess, like doing, you know, how that they sit in their car for a little bit. Giovanna, the last person to see all of them the night before, she knocks on the detective's window and lets him know that she's just spoken with Josh and he has the boys. So she told Josh that no one has seen or heard from Susan, and he's like, Oh, she's just at work. So the detective also calls Josh and said, No, your wife is not at work, and it appears that she is missing. For some reason, Josh then decides to backtrack 20 miles to where he had already been and calls Susan phone and leaves a message, and he's like, I hope you made it to work okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

You know, and the whole cover up thing carrying husband bullshit.

Custody Fight And Josh’s Visitation

SPEAKER_07 38:00

Now the detective had told him to rush back to the house, but it took him over an hour to arrive. Ellis takes Josh down to the station for an interview to get an idea of what had happened the night before. Now, Josh says that Susan wasn't feeling well. She went to lay down, so he took the boys sledding. And by the way, there was a huge snowstorm morning. Like that one was on the way. Then he said that he decided at midnight on a fucking Sunday that he was gonna take his boys camping out in the snowstorm, out in the West Valley Desert, and that's when he last saw Susan. And Ellis was like, um, it was Sunday and there was a snowstorm. Why would you do that?

SPEAKER_02 38:56

Yeah, people's gotta go to work in the morning. We're gonna do all this, and this is a bigger hatchet now.

SPEAKER_07 39:01

Well, Josh was like, OMG, I thought it was still a Saturday, and I'm just kind of spontaneous like that.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

It's all over the place, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:09

Yeah. We now Josh asked if he could just go home, and they did let him, but they said he had to come back the next day for another interview, to which Josh was four hours late for four hours because he was cleaning the house and his van. He really wasn't that concerned that his wife was missing. And the police asked him, why did you call your wife after we told you that she was missing when her phone was in your possession? Ooh, locate and be locating. Those towers work like they don't just work in your favor. They they just work. They they they ping everywhere. Everywhere that you are, everywhere that you've been, they be pinging. Okay. They also saw that he had drove back to where he previously was after they called him. And he just said that he forgot that her phone was there. And he he really didn't have an answer why he backtracked. Detective Ellis. He asked if Susan had had a history of depression or if she was suicidal. To which Josh happily responded, Yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

Yes, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

That's it. Oh, yeah. This is my out. Oh my God. Yes, yeah, oh yeah. I agree with everything that you're gonna say right now, and I'll add some more to it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 40:38

But this that was not true, like at all. So they let him go again, and he was told that his car was being searched. It would be ready shortly, just to hold tight a bit. They were like, it'll be ready within the hour. That wasn't quick enough for Josh. He immediately called a cab and went to the airport to rent a car and went completely off grid for the next 20 hours. And ironically, so did Steven, his father. Oh. And he put over 800 miles on that rental car.

SPEAKER_02 41:19

Listening to fucking Dragula while he's fucking cruising, dude.

SPEAKER_07 41:28

No, he's not cool enough to listen to Rob Zombie. Shut up, Josh.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

Okay, whatever. Yeah. But he was just fucking going, dude. Wide the fuck open. Couldn't figure it out. Couldn't couldn't make it fucking believable, dude. Got some shit. Lindsay's fixing to drop the hatchet. I know it's coming.

The 911 Call And The Fire

SPEAKER_07 41:44

When he got home, he lawyered up and refused to talk to Detective Ellis or the media. But Susan's friends and family, they were being interviewed, and Steven's obsession with Susan was mentioned quite often. And so was Josh's controlling behavior. Jennifer, Josh's sister, she's on the right side of history and is absolutely convinced that Josh and Steven have something to do with Susan's disappearance. She told the police all about Josh cleaning the house and the car. She told them about Steven's porn addiction and his obsession with Susan. And she told them the reason behind their parents' divorce or her parents' divorce. She laid it all out. So Josh and his boys, they have now moved in with Steven. And everything that Jennifer has told them gives them a reason to bug Steven's house. So there's a lot of shady things going on here, but nothing that the police can make an actual arrest on, unfortunately. Jennifer volunteers to wear a wire to her family dinner where everybody's gonna be there, and she's convinced that she can get Josh to confess. Unfortunately, she's not successful. But what's crazy is Steven and the other sister, Alina, they talk shit about Susan, calling her a lying bitch, and even said, who cares that she's missing? She sucked anyway.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_07 43:39

Alina says that. And Josh's brother, Michael, mysteriously had a car towed and scrapped. Not only did he have it scrapped, he called to make sure that it was completely crushed. He also called a high end satellite image. Company to take pictures of this salvage yard. Now, the salvage yard was in uh Pendleton, Oregon, which was pretty far away from where he lived. It was about 284 miles. That's about a four and a half hour drive from where he lived. Well, everything did not go as planned for Michael. Detective Ellis got wind of all of this, and he brought decomposition sniffing dogs out to the salvage yard, and they went straight for the trunk of Michael's car that had not been destroyed yet. Don't you make me pop the trunk on you. But unfortunately, there wasn't enough evidence in the trunk to match to Susan. But them dogs went straight for it.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Okay. They knew something was there.

SPEAKER_07 44:48

They knew something was there. Susan has now been missing for about three weeks at this point. And Josh, he starts canceling all her appointments and even tried to cash in on her 401k.

SPEAKER_02 45:01

He had a plan.

Aftermath, Theories, And Why It Haunts

SPEAKER_07 45:04

So police encourage Susan's parents to hold a candlelight vigil to keep her name out there and to possibly also rattle Josh and Steven. Well, Josh and Steven, they go and give their own televised interviews, basically bashing Susan, saying she must have run off with another man. And of course, Steven was. He talked all about his delusional relationship with her that wasn't there. This was all in his in his mind. And you can look these interviews up on YouTube or in the documentary, and they are insane, make you want to just vomit on site. She knew. Teenage.

SPEAKER_01 46:23

You can't fucking, you can't. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_07 46:28

So time goes on, and almost two years without any answers, any arrests, anything. Chuck Cox and Susan's friends, under the influence of the police, they organize a honking wave where they're going out into the streets close to where Josh and Steven's roots are of their day-to-day life. And they're holding up pictures and honk if you miss Susan, honk if you want answers on Susan. You know, they're doing, they're keeping her relevant.

SPEAKER_02 47:03

Do y'all care? Does somebody know something?

SPEAKER_07 47:05

Does somebody know anything? Right. Right. Now the plan was to antagonize as well as, like I said, keep Susan's case relevant. So the media is present for all of this. And Stephen took the bait. And standing right next to Chuck Cox, he says, on camera, I have all the information you want about this family in Susan's journals. What do you want to know? And went on to say again that she had been abused by her family and she was a very sexual person. He also says that Susan had run off with a man named Stephen Coker, who was this is a just a complete ironic coincidence. This guy, his name was Stephen Coker, and he was also a Mormon that had, in fact, went missing around the same time as Susan, but it was a whole week after. So that's not foreseeable. Not a whole week after. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 48:11

Right. He's trying to get something to tie together to try to annul whatever he's got going on.

Palette Cleanser Song And Artist Plug

SPEAKER_07 48:16

Well, because of the way Stephen worded that Stephen's journals were Josh's property in this televised honkin wave, the police were able to get a search warrant for Stephen's house. Now, this happens about five days later. They find 5,000 pictures that Stephen had taken of Susan. They found videos of Stephen masturbating to these photos. What? There were organized boxes containing ziploc bags of Susan's underwear, her toenail clippings, and her used tampons.

SPEAKER_02 48:59

Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 49:02

No. Used tampons.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

Lindsay. Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 49:07

We're not done.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

No, come on, man.

SPEAKER_07 49:10

Then they find the multiple videos that were taken of Susan and other women around the neighborhood undressing like he had been taking videos of women like through the blinds. But this is where it gets worse. He had also been videoing local children. Changing, bathing, and showering children. Super fucking creep bag. Well, that's this is now this is considered child pornography. Yeah. So he goes straight to jail.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

Good. But like that's why he was trying to clean his fucking computer because he had a bunch of dirt while his wife was in there in Lake.

SPEAKER_07 49:55

Well, that's that's Steven, the father-in-law.

SPEAKER_02 49:58

Yeah, but I'm sure he's part of it too.

SPEAKER_07 49:59

Well, we're gonna get to Josh's.

SPEAKER_02 50:01

Well, I'm saying I'm trying to tie it together. This is like a family tradition.

SPEAKER_07 50:07

Now the boys, uh, Josh and Susan's boys, Charlie and Braden, were taken into protective custody, and they were given to Chuck and Judy temporarily. And just like his dad, Josh had now he had not made these boys follow any rules or routine. So they were just pretty much feral at this point. This is two years later. And Chuck and Judy had not seen them since all this went down. So Chuck and Judy are fighting for full custody and trying to instill some rules and routine as well as fighting for justice for their daughter, like all at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 50:49

And all these people were deeply religious?

SPEAKER_07 50:51

LDS. Mormonism.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

Yeah.

Listener Thoughts, Resources, And Closing Plugs

SPEAKER_07 50:54

Yeah. Well, while they were raiding the house on Steven's stuff, they also got some of Josh's stuff. And it was discovered later on on his hard drive, there were contents of animated porn, which included incest and child sex abuse. So the coxes were awarded full custody because they're not safe around Steven, they're not safe around Josh. And these two men have more than likely disposed of their mother. But Josh was still allowed supervised visitation. At first, these visits were at a state-regulated facility, and then for some reason, reasons that I don't understand, they were allowed in home. And on Sunday, February 5th, 2012, 68-year-old social worker Elizabeth Griffin Hall brought the boys to Josh for his supervised visit. The boys get to the door, they get there first, and Elizabeth, she's right behind them. But she's an older woman. She's probably got like a fucking satchel full of paperwork and shit that she's got to bring with her. Yeah. Yeah. So they get to the door for first, and Josh tells them, Boys, I have a surprise for you. And they run into their playroom, which is full of brand new toys, and Josh slams and locks the door in Elizabeth's face. Now she immediately, like when he shut the door, she immediately smelled gas and called 911. And we're gonna play you this phone call.

SPEAKER_02 52:37

Oh, Lindsay, I don't want to.

SPEAKER_07 52:39

It's terrible. Lindsay, I don't want the last few sent the last bit of this is the worst thing that you're gonna ever experience in your life.

SPEAKER_05 52:48

Hey, I'm on a supervised visitation for a court-ordered visit, and something really weird has happened. The kids went into the house and the parent, the biological parent whose name is Josh Powell will not let me in the door. What should I do?

SPEAKER_04 53:03

What's the address?

SPEAKER_05 53:05

It's eight one one nine and I I think it's eighty-night. Um I I don't know what the address is.

SPEAKER_06 53:12

That's pretty important for me to know.

SPEAKER_05 53:14

Um sorry, I can't just a minute, let me get in my car and see if I can if I can find it. I'm just nothing like this has ever happened before at um these visitations, so I'm really um shocked. And I could hear one of the kids crying, but he still wouldn't let me in. Okay, it is uh one oh. I have it here. You can't find me by CPS? Okay, it is um I still can't find it. But I think I need help right away. He he's on a very short lease with C SHS and CPS has been involved and this is the craziest thing. He looked right at me and closed the door. Are you there?

SPEAKER_06 54:07

Yes, ma'am, I'm just waiting to know where you are.

SPEAKER_05 54:09

Okay. 189th Street, Court East, two Alex, nine eighty three seven five. And I'd like to pull out of the driveway because I smell gasoline and he won't let me in.

SPEAKER_06 54:21

You want to pull out of the driveway because you smell gasoline but he won't let you smell he he won't let me in. He won't let you out of the driveway?

SPEAKER_05 54:28

He won't let me in the house. Whose house is the kids in the house and he won't let me in. It's a supervised visit.

SPEAKER_06 54:35

I understand. Whose house is it?

SPEAKER_05 54:37

Josh Powell.

SPEAKER_06 54:39

Okay, so you don't live there, right?

SPEAKER_05 54:41

No, I don't no. I'm contracted to the state to provide supervised visitation.

SPEAKER_06 54:46

I see.

unknown 54:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 54:47

And and who is there to exercise the visitation?

SPEAKER_05 54:51

I am. Uh and the visit is with Josh Powell. And who's super and who is the husband of I supervise.

SPEAKER_06 54:58

So you supervise and you're doing the visit? Yeah, I supervise yourself?

SPEAKER_05 55:03

I supervise myself, I'm the supervisor here.

SPEAKER_06 55:06

Wait a minute. If it's a supervised visit, you can't supervise yourself.

SPEAKER_05 55:11

If you're the supervisor, I do supervise myself. I'm the supervisor for the supervised visit.

SPEAKER_02 55:15

I'm so pissed off, right?

SPEAKER_05 55:17

Okay, well aren't you the one making the one making those in my hand? Or am I going to put it right now?

SPEAKER_02 55:27

It's okay, we're on the way, right? And then who visits with the children?

SPEAKER_05 55:31

Josh Powell.

SPEAKER_06 55:33

She said it three times now that they're fucking advice Josh Powell's visit with the children.

SPEAKER_02 55:38

Shut up, dude, and send somebody.

SPEAKER_05 55:40

And how did And he's the husband of missing Susan Powell? How did this is a high profile case?

SPEAKER_06 55:48

How did he how did he gain access to the children before you talk to me?

SPEAKER_02 55:56

None of this was business. It smells like gas and the he's locked out.

SPEAKER_06 56:02

Your last name?

SPEAKER_05 56:04

My name is Elizabeth Griffin Hall.

SPEAKER_06 56:06

Griffin Hall is hyphenated?

SPEAKER_05 56:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 56:10

And what's your phone number, Elizabeth?

SPEAKER_05 56:13

Um, this this cell phone number taken to let me in.

SPEAKER_06 56:18

Elizabeth, please listen to my question. What color is the Toyota Prius?

SPEAKER_02 56:22

Don't fucking matter. And the license number?

SPEAKER_05 56:26

Um, I don't know. I can look.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

Don't fucking matter. Go to the address. Go there. Go now. What the hell is this dude doing? This is a 911 caller, right?

SPEAKER_07 56:36

Yes. So I'm gonna stop it there because I'm gonna get very angry. I've listened to this several times. This 911 caller operator is basically an asshole to Elizabeth and acts like it's no big deal.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

I don't fucking get it. Why is he asking all these stupid questions?

SPEAKER_07 56:54

Well, what didn't play on the clip that I found was she said, Are you sending someone right away? And he said, Well, they have to respond to life-threatening emergencies first.

SPEAKER_02 57:04

Lock me out. The house, the house smells like gasoline, and I'm wanting to get away, but I'm trying to get the kids out.

SPEAKER_07 57:10

Well, after about 15 minutes, the house is engulfed in flames, and there was no stopping it. I'm gonna try not to cry. I've already cried like two or three times over this this week. After the fire is put out, they found that Josh had actually attacked the boys first with a hatchet.

SPEAKER_02 57:37

Are you fucking kidding me? And I'm over here saying that you're coming with a hatchet. I know. I didn't want to give you any clues towards the end. But Lindsay, I did not know. I had no clue. I've never heard this before in my life. And I was like, Lindsay's building this big hatchet, and it's a flaming fucking hatchet. Thank you, fucking Lindsay, for destroying me right now.

SPEAKER_07 57:57

But they actually died from smoke inhalation while holding each other's hand.

SPEAKER_02 58:03

Lindsay. The plant. All the plant right now for me.

SPEAKER_07 58:10

Oh, that part gets me every time. Yeah. Now, prior to all of this, the the very day that all this happened, Josh had sent out emails and voicemails saying goodbye. Stephen, he would end up pleading not guilty because he is absolutely insane and delusional, and he pleaded the fifth on everything about Susan. And he actually tried to pin the child voyeurism on his other son, John, because John had schizophrenia.

SPEAKER_02 58:46

What a selfish son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_07 58:48

All these this whole fucking family, other than Jennifer, the good sister, they're garbage. I mean, Steven is like dad of the year, right? Like right up there with Stanis Baratheon.

SPEAKER_01 59:00

Yeah. Or Walter Frey.

SPEAKER_07 59:06

Yeah. Now Michael, Josh's brother, with the car that needed to be crushed, he committed suicide just a little over one year after Josh's murder suicide.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

Fucking hey.

SPEAKER_07 59:23

Steven, he was sentenced to 10 years for the child pornography. And when he was released, after only five years, fuck. He did die of a heart attack in a halfway house. So in this entire case, we've got the disappearance of one woman that has never been solved. Just want to let you know that. Never ever never been solved. Um so Steven died of the heart attack. Josh killed himself and his two boys, and Michael died. Now, Stephen, for some reason I typed all this out, but it didn't print on here. Steven put in one of his journals basically saying that Josh was trying to avoid a messy divorce and probably disposed of a body in an inhumane way in an old industrial section of town, and Susan was most likely cremated. That was in Stephen's journals.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:27

So he knew. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:30

He knew. Like I said, I typed all that out, but for some reason it didn't print out on here. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:36

Shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:37

So that is the story of Susan Cox Powell. And like I said, we have no answers still to this day. We have, I mean, we can speculate. We know that Josh and or Steven and or Josh Michael and Steven or all of the above were involved. But there are no definite answers, and this case remains unsolved.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:01

How in the fuck are we on such a wavelength where I'm talking about hatchets and it wound up being hatchets?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:07

I know every time you said that I flinched a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:10

Oh she looked, she looked at me wide-eyed when I said hatchet, and I'm like, oh, you're building a bigger hatchet. It's like what? And then fucking wound up being fucking hatchet and fuck fire and fuck Lindsay.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:22

So remember how I told you last week uh Billy Milligan was first on my list. Susan Cox Powell was second.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:30

Wow.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:30

But it's taken me this long because this story hurts so much.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:36

And there's a fucking social worker contracted, and she's begging.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:40

That 911 caller needs to be under the jail. And I'm sorry, I have respect for for for you guys that are out there doing the work. The 911 dispatcher. But the absolute disdain and annoyance in this guy's voice will forever haunt me.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:00

Should have never been no more questions other than what she said in an address. I'm sending somebody no more questions.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:07

Why did why what did you do? The right to talk to her like that. Right. Number one. And number two, sir, you're partially responsible for these kids' death. I'm sorry to put it that way, but that is clear.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

Yeah. He should have been way more compassionate, trying his fucking best to make it not happen. The stupid fucking questions killed me.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:37

Killed me. Like, how are how did you not have her pulled up on GPS? This was 2011.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:45

Right. Yeah, they're tracking phones everywhere. Come on. And she's all trying her best. Like, this isn't fucking right. Holy shit, something's fixing to happen. Y'all need to come here right now. And she's so distressed trying to figure out an address. It's just like this dude's fucking just like, oh, but what's the license plate number?

SPEAKER_07 1:03:05

The fact that he told her, like I said, I couldn't find the clip that included this, but I have heard it myself. The fact that he told her that they're going to answer life-threatening calls first. This was a life-threatening call. Right. She's trying to tell you that this man is on a supervised visit. He locked her out, the supervised visit. And she smelled gasoline. She's hearing the kids cry and scream inside. I'm fucking horrified. This case haunts me. At least once a week, I think about this shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:39

Yeah. And I'm hoping now that I've gotten it out of it. Treat them all genuine. Take it in right then, no matter what. You know, send somebody right then. It doesn't fucking change a thing, whether it's bullshit or not. Send them right then. Something's going on, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:03:57

And the fact that she had to say his name multiple times bothers me.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:02

What is your name again? And what color shoes are you wearing right now?

SPEAKER_07 1:04:08

And I don't believe you, but he might as well have asked her that because what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:12

He deserves a shit sandwich, and Lindsay, you deserve this. Because this is destroying. This awareness.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:22

When I finished this, when I finished writing this up, I'm sobbing. Sobbby. And I have known this case for a long time. Long time. And I knew what was coming, but it just you have this image of these two little boys holding their hands after they had been excited to see their dad.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

And got fucking slashed and then burnt. That's rough. That's a rough one, dude. Oh my God. And people knew. People knew though. They knew he was a piece of shit. They knew that his father was a piece of shit. And they they were just like, oh, that's okay. They're just being them. You know, it's okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:06

And I don't give a fuck what religion you're in. You see behavior like this to where you can literally say he was legendary status controlling. That's not cute. No. That's not cool. I don't care what religion you're in, report it. Yes. I don't care how annoying you seem when you're reporting it, but do it. Save somebody's life.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:29

Lindsay, people knew.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:31

They knew. They knew.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:34

Fuck, can I play a band though?

SPEAKER_07 1:05:36

Yes. You can. What palette cleansing band do you have for us today? I got a something right here. Check it out.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:44

This is Seya, and this song is called Abandon Me. Here we go.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

Oh, and I see you and her start to cry. But it's all not gonna tell you. I can try to tell myself.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:56

You and her start to cry, but it's been so long I couldn't tell you why so only these memories and you let a law abandon you Abending you Abending you Abending You Oh my gosh Lindsay that was just so much emotion and everything wrapped up in a song you could feel that very deep yeah so deep thank you so much very emotional yes now I okay so I followed Saya on Spotify, but I'm pretty sure after a few little investigative moves that I made on Instagram, I believe her account is Sarah Paglione or Paglione. And uh is she out of Florida?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:16

I don't remember. It was like a band thing, but I don't know if she split it with a band or if this is something personal or hers, but it was really deep though.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:23

Well, it looks just like the person in her Spotify, so I'm hoping that I got the right one. Uh reach out to us, Saya. And um that song was fucking killer.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:35

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:36

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:37

And I'm sure I've sent her something saying that we're fixing to plug it, so but we'll check all that stuff out, and we're so happy to share all this stuff. It's really amazing, Lindsay. And uh we got all the plugs, all the stuff. Check us out.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:52

Okay, yeah. So the song Abandon Me is under Sarah Paglion's Instagram. So Sarah, message us and make sure we're saying everything right. Yes. Yes, we would appreciate that. Absolutely. And uh yeah, Abandon Me is under her Instagram profile. So I think I did it right. Hell yeah. I'm such a good investigator. Somebody hire me. I'm just kidding. So I think I did all the work there. Figured everybody out. I believe so. But uh yeah, you guys hit me up and give us your thoughts on this case because it is still unsolved. Let us know what you think happened and how everything went down. And like I said, this one bothers me to this day. I think about it at least once a week, and I finally put it out there. I finally told Jesse about it, told you guys about it, our listeners. It's a rough one. Good. Fucking rough one. I know. Those two rough ones that we recorded today back to back, and our souls need some rejuvenation.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:50

Yeah. Speak out, get out, do whatever it takes just to make it known. And I think that Susan was trying to do that. That's why we played that. You know, it was like she's trying something, it hasn't been right. She's been locked down in captivity control and just the movements of her religion and livelihood, and it's oppression, really is.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:14

Being freaking harassed by her creepy ass fucking father-in-law. Like, it was so much, so much bullshit happened in this.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:23

Disgusting. Yeah. Fuck, somebody's coming at me with videos and shit, I'll be like, get the fuck away from me. And you come back with more videos and doing some creepy ass, dirty ass shit. I mean, dude, female, whatever. I don't care.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:37

Five thousand photos of her in his possession.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:39

No, this is fucking creepy. Y'all need to come check this down.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:42

Along with other disgusting shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:44

Or chick or whatever. In in my my perspective. Oh, yeah. If somebody's doing something creepy and possession goes on all genders. If I can't respect my no, then I'm gonna have to get somebody else to help me enforce that no. Now we know. Exactly. Because the no is the no.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:00

Always no means no.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:01

Yeah. Anyhow, Lindsay, check us out on all the socials, and we have so many different links, and we're on so many different platforms. Share it with your friends if you like our stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:13

Give us a comment, yes, a rate, review. Uh, we are drinkaboutsomething.sight, drinkabout something on Instagram, on uh Gmail, drinkaboutsomething pod at gmail.com, TikTok, uh, where we do some lives. We are drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay and Jesse, where are we at on YouTube?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:35

Just type in Gen Z, J-E-N-D-S-E-Y, and you can come play with us and see some videos and travels and some really cool stuff that we do sometimes. And you know, we like to get out, we're adventurous, very adventurous, yeah, and it's diverse. So we go to festivals and cons and trips to theme parks, whatever we do. I mean, we just want to share our life together because and send us your life together, you know, with you and your family and your stories. That's always cool. Absolutely. Yeah, and if you have any true crime stories, definitely send us something. Send us those.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:06

We would love to, if you with your permission, we would love to talk about them on here.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:11

We want to share those with you. We're not really so good on the paw on the uh on the Gmail thing. We need to go back and look at there's a couple of Gmail things we need to respond to. I think we need to link up with some people. They've talked about some stuff, and I'm loving that feedback, loving the YouTube feedback. I'm loving all the stuff that we're getting in, and we're gonna we're gonna connect with them. We're also looking for somebody to be our next number one fan that we can send you some merch. I haven't talked about that in a little while, and I want to do that. And uh one of the last podcast uh podcasts that we did not too long ago, we talked about something with uh multiple personalities, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:14:47

That was just last week, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:48

Yeah, the DID stuff. DID. And we hit up Jenny, and she's seen the email. She's probably busy because she's doing documentaries and things.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:57

Yeah, she's she's busy, but we're waiting on. We just want to hear her thoughts on this case that is similar to hers but different. I mean, this person has the same uh diagnosis as her, but completely different scenario.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:10

Yeah, and she supported us whenever we did her podcast about her stuff, and that was really cool. I really appreciated that support. And uh yeah, as as of now, no reply yet, but she has seen it, she's probably busy. Maybe she hasn't taken the time to have that two-hour conversation.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:27

Yeah, it's a lot. We're patient.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:30

Yeah, yeah. So that would be awesome. Um, and if there's anybody that we need to reach out to about just you know, common true crime knowledge, or if there's anything we want to talk about that you need you need to talk to us about, you know, if we can we feel like there's an avenue where you can talk to people that just know true crime a little bit. We've been doing this for two seasons now. Not that we would be any help, but we will be here to guide you and get you in the right people to help. If you're looking for a way out, we're here. Do never.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:58

Yes, because and then all of my research and everything, there's there's a ton of resources that I have found. And um, we're we're like I said, we're still we're we're 75 plus or are we in 75 yet? So we're 74, I think. Okay, yeah. So we're 70 plus episodes in, but we're still filling this out. We're still we're still in the group. We're I mean, I bel I mean, I think anything under 200, you're still kind of new. Right um as a person who's listened to thousands of hours of true crime podcasts, like we're just we're navigating this week by week, period.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:33

Yeah. So if you're looking for an avenue for a way out, we're gonna do our best to help you in any aspect of our knowledge, which we're still new still. So not that we know anything. Anything that we can, not that any of my bullshit rambles mean anything, but if you get something from it and it's positive and you go about it the right way, that's what we're here for, too.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:52

So but it is time for us to sign off, refill our drinks, and probably have a bite to eat.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:57

We probably should have a little food. We're gonna do the damn thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:00

Yes. And we love you guys so much, and we'll see you next week.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:03

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, Lindsay. Bye.