Drinks And Friday Energy

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hey Jesse! Hello, Lindsay. What are you having to drink today?

SPEAKER_00 0:07

I got me a vod sot going on with some sparkling water. It's like a lime water and a vista bay all mixed together with a little bit of vodka.

SPEAKER_03 0:16

No.

SPEAKER_00 0:16

What is it? That's wrong.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

So you've got lime mint sparkling water.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Alani.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Alani. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_03 0:24

That's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

That. And yeah, it's like a fruit punch, Hawaiian punch or something. I don't know. Whatever it's good.

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Hawaiian shaved ice. Hawaiian favorite. Shaved ice. What are you drinking? What are you drinking? So I've got, I didn't want to do an energy drink because we just had a joy shot. And for our listeners who don't know what a joy shot is, that's like a from a local coffee company around here. Um Eliano sponsor us. So it's like a double shot of espresso mixed with oat milk and caramel drizzle. It's really good. So I didn't want to get an energy drink because I'm a little sensitive to caffeine. So I just have lime sparkling water, squeezed lime, lime juice, and vodka.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

You went over the hill.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Which we're reaching because we're old as shit.

unknown 1:12

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

But let's get this party started.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

I don't want to, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

I don't want to. You don't want to, really. This is terrible. This is a terrible fucking story today.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Oh my God, happy Friday, everybody.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

Lindsay, I made you pay and to win last night.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

Oh my God. I was so I have never watched the movie Nil. And uh I brought this to Jesse's attention a long time ago. And he was like, we're gonna watch it. We're gonna watch it. And then we never did. And last night, after a few drinks, I was like, hey, remember I never watched Nil?

SPEAKER_00 2:09

You finally got the liquid courage to ask that. And you were like, I'm ready for Nil. I was like, you're not ready for Nil. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

That was rough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Cried a lot. Cried cried some tears.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

The problem was is you're you're like, does this really happen? What's fixing to happen? I already know what's fixing to happen. Tell me. And I'm like, I don't want to tell you yet. I want you to know.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

No, see, I'm the type of person you can tell me the entire story. And like I said, I had I already knew the summary. And I knew that she was a person, spoilers, um, you know, that had been secluded. She lived in isolation. So that's why I was like, you can, and I was predicting a lot of the things, but there were some things that just really hit home, yeah.

What Made Us Feel Old

SPEAKER_00 2:51

But baseball fans, you don't want to know the score before you sit down. You know what I'm saying? You don't want to know the ending score before you sit down. And I just I was just like, no, Lindsay, let's watch this. And it's not a game at all, but it's real emotion. And that was what I was trying to I was relaying that in my head. I'm like, but I don't want to sit down and watch a baseball game and know who's gonna win and lose, you know. So I wanted to watch all the plays in that movie come out in an emotional state of Appalachia, seclusion. She lost her mom, and it was just like and she had her own language that was actually English, English, but it was just like twisted into her own playful twin, eight-year-old. Oh my god, if you haven't seen Nell, go watch Nell. Oh, and let us know what you uh what you think about Nell Soul Lindsay. What made you feel old? This week.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

Okay, so it's kind of funny because we talked about last night. So what made me feel old was something that actually made my 20-year-old feel old. Uh, one of our coworkers did it remember the McDonald's that used to be inside of our Walmart.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 4:06

So that I mean honestly made me feel ancient because it's been closed down for a long time. And that used to be like our Saturday. Like I would take the kids, we would go grocery shopping, you know. It because I mean, before there was grocery pickup, Walmart was an all-day event because you felt like that was an experience, right? Yeah, because you had to get your groceries, your household needs, you know, if you needed new blankets, if you needed candles, you needed, you know, wax melts, whatever. You know, and then like by the time you're done shopping, your kids are starving, they're screaming. You got toddlers in the buggy. And so you took them to the little McDonald's in the back of the restaurant for you know, a little happy meal before a little treat in the middle of shopping, yeah. The horrific checkout process.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Like, I'm like literally having PTSD just thinking about those days right now.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

No, I I love self-checkout at the same time. It's just like that was a big part of like people just work, you know, having a job to do, but at the same time, I'm also like I'm I'm so torn on self-checkout. I don't know. I really appreciate it. I can do my own thing, I have the intelligence to do this, I can do this and I can move on, right? But I also liked that people were working and that that was their profession. That was still plenty of people working.

SPEAKER_03 5:24

Oh, yeah. But now you've got the grocery pickup option, which is what I do because fuck all that shopping and fuck being in Walmart for hours.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

You want to get your shit and get the hell out, right? Yeah. So later the cable guy said that welcome to Walmart. Now get your shit and get the hell out of here. No, even warehouses now have automated forklifts. It's like you've eliminating so much work. Like all these people used to do this, you know.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

There's still plenty of plenty of jobs. I get it. It's just in different formats.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

It's a different format, yeah. Like now, and so I guess that makes me feel old a little bit because I'm all like kind of old and boomerish. I'm like, there people are to be pushing them pallet lifts.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Well, what I'm what I mean, like for the Walmart thing, you know, you used to have a lot more people checking you out, but now a lot of those people are shopping for you, gathering all your shit.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

There's the dynamic. I see it now.

SPEAKER_03 6:11

See, it's like there's there's they're not they're not out of a job, they're just doing a different one.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Yeah, I get it. Money, what honestly did make me feel old this week, though, was watching co-workers and my vendors retire.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

Oh God, I don't even want to talk about that.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

Like, okay, I'm calling and and I'm like, you know, hey, is is Chuck here? And Chuck's like, not there. Chuck is retired, you know. Um, I'm calling and asking for any of these these people that are older that I've been dealing with for over 20 years now, and they're just retiring. Like five really in the lat in in the last few months have retired. Yeah. Yeah. Bob over there at the heavy equipment shop that I'm calling and getting John Deere parts or whatever, you know. And he's not there, dude. Like they're all gone.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

There's only one, no, two co-workers left um that are still there from when I originally started that were there before me. Yeah. Um, everybody else is retired. Because most I started on day shift, so most of those ladies had already been there a while. Uh, we've got two right now that are on 30 years. And I just celebrated 20. Yeah. So well, the thing is that the people that celebrated best.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

And people that step off to the mic don't know how to run it. You know, they're like, uh, hang on. Oh, what what is this? Where do I buy this from? And I have to tell them how to do their job while I'm trying to actually spend millions of dollars a year in keeping all the equipment going for the paving company. They'll get it, yeah. They'll get it. But the coaching then You gotta be patient, Boomer. But no, I mean, well, I mean, I'm the guy that's spending the millions of dollars. I I you know, I'm saying there's a difference there in a mindset, you know?

SPEAKER_03 7:51

Well, I try to enlighten a lot of, you know, our boomer customers, you know, who for I mean, first of all, we've had tablets where I work where we've, you know, putting in our orders for six years now, and they're still like, oh, wasn't it just easier to write it down? I'm like, no, actually, it wasn't because I had to write it down, then go type it in, then it would go to the kitchen. Now it goes to the kitchen right from where I'm standing.

SPEAKER_00 8:17

So your same frustrations though is coaching them how to order their own food and get the greatest experience, but they're spending the money, so you get the backside of it too.

SPEAKER_03 8:29

And I I can see But they it takes less less time now to get their food. So isn't that a better example?

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Yeah, you show up and you have to coach them to actually get the product out to them. I have to coach all my vendors to get the product to me. So it's like, no, you have to go here, you have to go here, call over, you know, in Kansas, you have to call this company, you know, and all that stuff. So there's a little bit of frustration, but yeah, I do get I get comfortable in that because I just want to move it along and go to my next table, like you would do, you know, or my next call. Yeah. So uh Lindsay, you have stories though.

SPEAKER_03 9:03

I do. So, real quick, because I hadn't said it in a while. If you're new, hey, uh, welcome to our podcast where what we do is we talk about true crime. Well, I tell Jesse the story, a true crime story. He has told one. So make sure you go back to you've told two. Yeah. Yes. So one was nice, one was not.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Uh one was naughty, one was nice.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

Um, so you know, go back and check out all of our backlog. This is episode 76, and then we've got some recaps and some bonuses in there.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

77, somewhere around. 76, I think this is. We're getting up there, dude. I mean, we're not so new, but we're still brand new, dude.

Katherine Knight’s Chaotic Childhood

SPEAKER_03 9:41

So we have a couple of drinks, and then at the end of the episode, Jesse plugs some really awesome music uh that we do have permission to play. So yeah, thank you for joining our adventure. But today, today, we are going to Australia, and we are ha we are drinking about one of the craziest bitches I've ever researched. Oh, yeah? Yeah. No, so this is a rough one. Through and through. Brace yourself, hold on tight. Cuz we are drinking about Katherine Knight.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Katherine Knight. So this isn't gonna be one of those like Jim Carrey pulling up in a limo and she's like, I'm from Austria. And he thinks she's from Australia. Let's throw another ship on the ball, baby. Oh my god. That's my yeah. Every time I think about Australia, I think about Jim Carrey whenever the chick's from Austria. Which I I I got that joke at like eight or whenever I was. Oh, me too.

SPEAKER_03 10:44

Well, because we grew up with fucking sound of music, man. They were Austrians. Yeah, they were, and not Australians.

SPEAKER_00 10:50

Yeah. That was that was just I get dumb and dumber.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

I know.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

I live, I live in that realm.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

So Catherine Mary Knight was born October 24th, and she was born a twin. She was born to Ken and Barbara Knight. Uh, Ken and Barbie? Oh.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

That was a year ago.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

I know. And uh she was born into a terrible situation right off the rip. See, Barbara had been married to another man named Jack, and they had lived in Aberdeen, New South Wales, Australia. Barbara and Jack had four sons, and then she left him for his coworker named Ken. Now, Jack kept the boys, and because the affair had been quite the scandal in the area, Barbara and Ken left town, and then they had four more kids, uh, including the set of twins that Catherine was part of. Then Jack passed away, and two of the boys came to live with Ken and Barb, and two went to live with their aunt in Sydney. Aberdeen uh is not too far from Sydney, but it's a whole different world than Sydney. We'll get yeah, we'll get into that. So now we've got six kids in a house of constant turmoil. Ken was a violent alcoholic and he was sexually violent. No, he raped Barbara up to 10 times a day. And even though that was his wife, yes, it was rape. He would assault her, sometimes uh to the point of completely knocking her out into submission for sex 10 times a day. Where the fuck do you get the time?

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Where do you have that much emotion and not try to correct it in your life? It's like you're violent ass human being, right?

SPEAKER_03 12:45

And this was in front of the kids a lot. No, yeah, and uh there was one instance where he knocked her unconscious and raped her on the kitchen table. Kids are kids are watching. Yeah, Lancy. Disgusting, right? And they were known around town like uh they were the crazy family around town, okay. And Barbara would also, she would talk to her children about sex way more than she should. And she would let her girls know that she hated sex and men because of this. But this was a time where women just couldn't speak up, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Took this shit. Yeah, you couldn't. And it was, but it was like publicly portrayed of the violent visceral fucking outcome in the salad. I mean, there's a lot of shit that's all coming into the play right now, is and it's it's gonna be thick. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 13:40

And later on, when Catherine was a little older and was talking to her mom uh about a partner or about, you know, a boyfriend or whatever who was pressing her, pressuring her into sex, and she really wasn't ready. Barbara told her to just do it and stop complaining because that it was the mindset, and that's fucking terrible. Yeah, it's terrible. Don't ever have that mindset.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Horrible.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

What year was this again? Uh okay, so Catherine was born um in fuck, I forgot to write down the year. I think it was 48. None of the years were so this I'm gonna say this was like early 60s. Oh yeah, I don't have my phone with me or nothing, Jesus. And I did not write down the ear. The ear, but the year.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

Still like women really had a really rough time all the way up to the 90s, really.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

And I mean, they're still having a rough time in in certain aspects.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

Yeah. So there's your there's there's a little bit of the salad, okay? Just oh, and here's more. Uh it's also alleged that Catherine was actually sexually abused by her own father and her half-brothers. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

This is deep salad stuff. This is yeah, terrible through through. Yeah.

School Violence And Slaughterhouse Knives

SPEAKER_03 14:55

And by the way, uh Catherine was born in 1955. So I was right. So about 60 is about when she was talking to her mom about, you know, the problems.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

One of millions of households that are going through this crazy fucking bullshit. And just thinking that's just a way of life. Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

Catherine learned to be violent at a young age. She will grow up to be a giant woman. And I'm not, don't, don't get me wrong, I'm not making fun of women that are.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Oh, you're not body shaming. Whatever, dude. No. No.

SPEAKER_03 15:28

Um, but she was, you know, when when I go on with the story, you'll understand why her being a a tall woman is something. Like she was over six feet. Now, during her school years, she was mostly a quiet loner, but she would get in these moods. She would kind of snap, and she would mainly be violent to boys, but she also attacked her teacher one time. Like the teacher at first, uh, in this situation, it looked like the teacher was attacking her, but the teacher was actually like defending herself from Catherine.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Really? There's like there's footage of this?

SPEAKER_03 16:02

Like, no, it's not footage, but it's documented. You know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

Well, she had nothing else to latch onto except for negative. And if negative wasn't happening, she was uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

And you'll say, see this, it it's a pattern. Like Catherine will be chill for a while, and then it then she's very unfucking chill.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

No, you got to find that. She has to find that uh like that's like her comfortability, like came in negativity. She was just so used to having spats of that in her life. Well, and her parents also encouraged violence. So she just had it ingrained.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

They encouraged it with all the kids. Uh, like she would physically fight with her twin. Uh, that was how they dealt with everything. That, like I said, they were the crazy family. Right. The crazy family. When she was 15, she dropped out of school, and this is crazy to me. She did not know how to read or write at 15. In 19, so she was born in 55. So 1960, she did not know how to read or write for 15 years of her life. That's basics. That's that's how do you go through school? I mean, so she so 15, we'll say she's in ninth grade. You don't know how to read or write?

SPEAKER_00 17:15

You know, it didn't matter. It was just it was just what was going on in the household, that was what mattered to them. He was so selfish that he he puked that onto his whole household.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

She went to school. Yeah, but everybody to ninth grade. How do you not know how to read and write by ninth grade? But it said, I mean, like in my research, this was not uncommon, but I just don't understand it. You know what I mean? Right. Reading and writing is basic first year shit, first few year shit.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

Well, that was the only break that she could get away from. But when she came back home, it was just so unfundamental. Like there was nothing else that you could latch on to, and she wasn't focused on that. She was trying to focus on livelihood, but she was absorbing so much negativity that that wasn't even a thought process for her.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Yeah, she does describe her childhood as sad and bad.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Like yeah, it's I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to gather what humanity would gather out of out of this situation. You know what I'm saying? Which is tough.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Well, she quit school and she first gets a job in a clothing factory as a cutter, like that was the title. And then she finally got her drain job. And this was a job that it was like m a lot of Aberdeen, Aberdeen's uh they they had, which was at the slaughterhouse. I was trying to think of the name that they called it, but it I was supposed to refresh my brain this morning, and I forgot to do it on like all the Australian lingo Abattois. Abattois is uh was the name of the profession, which was in our translation, slaughterhouse.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

What?

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Yeah, so now we're going here, Linda? Oh, yeah. Like I said, this was a huge industry in the area, and a lot of people worked there. I think they employed over 650 people.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Right now I'm thinking Rob Zombie type fucking episode right here. I don't know, but I'm already thinking this thing.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

Um the first time I heard about this case was years ago. Uh with um the last podcast boys. I think God, they're like up in the 700 episodes now, and this was like in the 200s, and they compared them to the sour family in uh Texas chain saw me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

So I I'm like, I'm literally going here now. Like now I'm over here. You see my face right now.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

Now she started uh she started out in um uh the awful room, which is where they awful is the guts organs and shit. Yeah. Figured. You knew, you know, good job. Um, and then she quickly moved up to the boning position. And when she got there, she got the set of butcher knives, and these were her prized possessions. And she loved these knives so much that she would hang them above her bed. She took them everywhere with her, with her, okay? They were everywhere that she was. Catherine had her knives, and then she literally placed them above her bed at night for protection.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Which is, you know, she's dealing with the cold meats, everything that's been hanging, and she's removing the parts for you know the final processing and packaging.

SPEAKER_03 20:23

Which is kind of a cool that would be a little bit more. That's where we're at. She she loved her knives.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

I wouldn't want to be in the gut room, though. The all fool.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

So in 1973, she met David Kellett, and he also worked at the slaughterhouse. David carried some trauma with him that had happened in his previous job working for the railway. His best friend had been killed in a shunting incident right in front of him. Right in front of him.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

What the fuck is a shunting incident?

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Um, I'm believing it's when they connect the trains and he was I'm not 100% sure. I just hold on. Oh hey Google Shunting. Yeah, oh, okay. So shunting is the process of diverting a fluid electrical current or vehicle from its main path. Yeah, so like I said, they're he's they're connecting and he was killed in this process.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

So he was in the middle of coupling something that's real big machinery and got fucked up and killed.

SPEAKER_03 21:23

Yeah, right in front of David. And then there was another incident where he rescued some folks from a school bus that had been struck by a train, but six kids had died in this accident. So he carried this trauma and had untreated PTSD. So what do you normally turn to with that? Alcohol. Uh but he was not a violent man. He just drank to cope. He was a functioning alcoholic. Like he went to work, he did his thing, but he drank. Now Catherine uh got her claws in him. And insisted that they get married. Like it was that was their thing. Like she, like he was drunk as fuck the night before. She picked him up on her motorcycle. And by the way, she is like quite a bit taller than him. She likes to pick smaller men.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

And she pulls up in her Harley. She's like, get your motor room. And he's on the back.

SPEAKER_03 22:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

And gives her him the snap and the A.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

And he like he was drunk as fuck. Pull up to the wedding. And after they've said their vows and everything, old Barbara, Catherine's mom, tells David, you better not ever piss her off, or she get she'll kill you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

No, I mean, like, all of that is cool to me, but at the same time, there's a lot of historical horrific.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

Laugh while you can. Yeah. Yeah. Well, laugh while you can. Yeah, no, no. I'll let you have it.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

We watched a wedding. Uh, what was the movie we watched last night? It was so horrific, too, at the same time where Luf Regno was in it. It was all the it was like, Oh, I love you, man. So it was like, I love those crazy ass weddings. Like, I I you know what, Lindsay? I want to eat a bunch of beans and go to weddings and fart in the background while they're trying to do the vowels, man. That'd be cool.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

You're out in the middle of it there's uh uh uh an Australian slang like where you're where you get really, really drunk and you you get pissed as a pissed as a fart, I think is what it is. I had that's what I wanted to refresh this morning, but I just yeah, we I we made breakfast and we've just been busy. We watched Avengers.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Yeah, yeah. I mean, all this is is cute, but at the same time, it's not because it's still we're all we're still in the beginning. Yes, you got uh chick that works at a slaughterhouse that has the biggest salad that I've ever heard already. All the nastiness that she's been exposed to.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

Nastiness. So here we go. We're about to start turning it up.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Oh shit. Lindsay, I'm going to plant already.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

On their wedding night, Catherine. So they can uh they they consummated uh their marriage about three times. They had about three rounds, okay? David, you know, he's like tired, he took a little nap, and he wakes up to Catherine strangling him. She was pissed off because she knew her mom and dad had sex at least five times on their wedding night. Imagine that. Yeah. You've done it three. That's good. That's good enough. Yeah, it's good now. I'm going to bed. And you wake up to this bitch straddling you, her hands around your goddamn neck, and she's screaming at you that her parents did it five times. What the fuck? Oh my God. I would have been like, get me the fuck out of here right now, but no.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

It's like different levels. We're fixing to go to DEF CON 4.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

It didn't scare David enough to leave, unfortunately. And they make a baby. Now, this is a few years later in 1976. And while Catherine was pregnant, David went to a dark competition and he's winning rounds. So it takes him a little bit longer because he's he's getting into the finals, right? And he didn't get back as soon as Catherine thought he should. So when he does get home, he sees that she has lit all his clothes on fire and shoes, and she greets him with a frying pan to the head. A cast iron. Fucking hell. Frying pad. Frying pans in the head.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

My clothes are on fire.

SPEAKER_03 25:34

Clunk. And so he stumbles to the neighbor's house because you fucking know that this woman, she's got she's packing some strength. And uh so he stumbles to the neighbor's house for help and just collapses like right there in their in their house.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

An Amazonian fucking clunk with the iron pan.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

A number seven fucking clack just.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

I mean, she fractured his fucking skull. Fuck. Severely fractured his skull. But I mean, because the neighbors called police and he gets treated for this skull fracture, but he does not press charges.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

No, fucking come on back home. This is normal. This is normal for me. Yeah, this is how we rolled. Welcome to my world, bitch.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

Now, after the baby is born, David does leave. He moves, so he had been having a little fair. And I mean, I don't condone fairs, but Catherine's fucking crazy. And he was probably, I don't know. I don't know. So he moves to Queensland.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Is she like a foot taller than him? At least, yeah. And he don't, he's scared to run.

Baby On Tracks And Hostage Terror

SPEAKER_03 26:41

Yeah. And I think, like I said, it'll be a pattern. She will she'll pick smaller men for on on purpose because she can overpower them. But yeah, for obvious reasons. I mean, she's wanting that power. She she moves to Queensland and in with another woman, and Catherine loses her shit. Like she literally, I mean, she absolutely loses her mind. She tries to hurt her baby. Uh, she was seen. So they call it a pram, a stroller. She was seen like violently shaking this pram side to side with the baby. And people are scared. Like, she's doing this in the middle of town. People are scared. They call the police, they take her to the hospital. She's let out. Now they do diagnose her with postpartum depression or postnatal depression, is what they called it back then. Um, and they let her out and gave her back her baby.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Come on, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

It ain't got hold on.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

No, I don't want no more already.

SPEAKER_03 27:48

So the baby's name is Melissa. So when she was only two months old, this was not much longer after her first visit, okay? She sets her on the railroad tracks, leaves her, steals an axe, and went into town and just starts like swinging this axe at innocent bystanders, threatening to kill him, causing a spectacle. All the while her baby's on railroad tracks. And a homeless man who was known as Old Ted rescued the baby within minutes of the coal train coming through. Within minutes. Now, Catherine, Catherine was arrested and sent back to the hospital, and they let her sign herself out the next fucking day and gave her back her baby again.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

There's no real structure for mental stability right there. Nobody knows what the fuck she's going through. And they're just like, oh, she's just being a good mom, but at the same time, she's just having a relapse of just something that they don't even understand. They're not reaching for it. They're not finding the right people to actually give her a good diagnosis of all the shit she's been through.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

Just a few days later, uh, she goes to a neighbor's house and demands, or actually, she goes under the guise that the baby's sick and needs to go to the hospital. But then she turns it into a hostage situation. So she gets the mom of this family to drive her to Queensland to find David. So the mom, she's thinking fast because I mean this woman has got her and her kids basically held hostage at knife point with baby on. I mean, it's crazy, it's crazy, it's crazy. So the mom's like, what can I do to get out of this situation? So she's like, I need to stop for gas or petrol in Australia. Um so and Catherine's like, okay, that's fine. I uh I need to cash a check. And then there's another twist here in a second, why she also agreed to it. Ooh. So when they get to the gas station, the mom gets her and her kids and they run into the office of this gas station. Cause you know, oh back then, it was just like it was like a mechanic shop. You got your gas, uh, you could get your tires changed, you could get shit worked on, and then there's an office.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

So glass bubble they can the manager station that they kind of lock themselves into and get away. Right.

SPEAKER_03 30:14

So she, uh, the mom and the kids, they run into the to the office, they lock themselves in. Catherine like grabs like a blade off this fucking machine with her insane strength. She's trying to beat the fucking door down. And then she also sees the mechanic who fixed her husband's uh car so he was able to leave her. And his name is Hoppy. He's got one leg.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Lindsay? No, this is movie worthy.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

Yeah, so she's beating down this door with this thing, and then she steals Hoppy's crutch, Jesse. Fuck. And is also trying to beat the door down with that. And like she gets in and she gets one of these kids held at knife point. Now, by this time, you know, police have been called. They finally they get her, she just kind of like exhausted herself out. She just kind of like, she's just stopped. Because I don't think that that if she had not worn herself out, I don't think that it would have been.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

Nobody would have overcome the the power and the fury.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

So after everything gets calmed down, they this time they take her to a psychiatric hospital.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Finally.

SPEAKER_03 31:31

And she tells the nurses that she intended to kill David, his mother, and Hoppy.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

Fucking Hoppy? Come on, Hoppy. No, fuck. That's not his real name, but still. No, that's his nickname because he had one left.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

Bless his little heart.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Fuck.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

And even though she said all of this, now I don't know if those details got back to David, but David felt bad. He felt responsible.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Is not fucking strong enough, Lindsay. It is for me. No.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

Like I said, David felt responsible and took her back.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

No.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

Along with his mother. Like he felt like he needed to take care of her now. So now he would be.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Imagine that conversation where you're just like trying to convince your own self, I know you got a kid together, but I mean, at conception night where you're, you know, trying to do your things, and that was a breaking point right there.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

At the beginning. Yeah. Now, so David takes her back, and not too much longer after that, they have another child named Natasha. And then in 1984, she left David. No.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

You were going to kill for him. Literally kill. She was gonna kill him and his mother. So now she's found something cooler, right? Pretty much. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:00

She meet she meets another David.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

No.

SPEAKER_03 33:04

David Saunders, who went by Sondo, so we're that's why we're gonna call him.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Do they fold in the cheese together? That's just what I want to.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

Fold in the cheese, David.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Did they do such things together? This was the this is how we're gonna consummate our relationship right here. We're gonna fold in the cheese. Yes. And not only am I folding in the cheese, but I'm also I'm doing it the right way for you.

SPEAKER_03 33:28

Yes. What does that mean? How do you fold in the cheese?

SPEAKER_01 33:33

Right. I don't know, David.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

Now, Sondo moved in with her after a few months. Uh, but he was smart and kept his apartment because, as you can guess, this would be another tumultuous relationship. She would constantly accuse him of cheating, knocked him out with a frying pan, and even killed his little dingo puppy as a warning as to this is what will happen. The dingo didn't even get big enough to eat the baby. What movie is that? It's Meryl Streep. That's all I've done.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Something in the dark.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

Meryl Street, yeah, something in the dark. Cries in the Dark? Cries in the Dark.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

Alone in the Dark. Something in the Dark Dark.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

I think it's I don't know, but it's great.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

No, Alone in the Dark was a um a horror thing that they did, like the horror story. I think it's cries in the dark. Scary movies.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Maybe. We'll Google it later. Oh my god. Meryl Streep and Pierce Bronson, yeah.

unknown 34:26

The Dingo.

SPEAKER_03 34:27

So yeah, the Dingo, the Dingo did not make it, and that is fucking terrible. I hate, I hate animal abuse so much. I hate any abuse.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

All that. All the abuse is terrible. All of that. Why would you wrap your head around just trying to raise kids in the best way possible? That's part of humanity, right? I'm gonna teach my kid how to make fire. I'm gonna keep I'm gonna teach my kid how to hunt lines. I'm gonna teach my kid how to gather something to be productive as a humanity. I'm just trying to go back to like humanity all throughout existence. Why wouldn't you automatically have that in your head to try to teach them as a human being to be a better person, to try to strive? Her parents did not have that.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

Oh no, her parents were crazy.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

If you get my meaning, Lindsay, you're looking at me funny, but I am because I'm like, what's that got to do with anything I tell you? You know, I'm gonna teach my kid how to fucking make points or fire or whatever. I'm gonna teach them and we're gonna grow together, we're gonna learn, and you you have that instilled.

SPEAKER_03 35:27

Unfortunately, it's it's not instilled in everybody because it's like a generational thing where, like, I mean, Barbara and Ken didn't have you know structural uh upbringings and it just it just passes on down. It's a cycle, literally.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Yeah, well, I mean, this long in the fucking uh podcast relationship here, with my vodka over here telling me that I just need to ramble for a second. Humanity is instead we're fortunate, I guess, if you get that side of it. We really want to instill the best into our children and do the best that we can while raising them because we want to give them the best outcome and traveling on generations later, you know? You've seen that there's a lot that don't. Yeah. Fuck. I mean, yeah, I gotta wrap my head around things, and I'm gonna take a drink and I'm gonna turn turn toward the plant over here.

New Partners And Escalating Abuse

SPEAKER_03 36:13

Go ahead, fuck. So, like I said, she's already knocked him out with a frying pan, killed his puppy, but he still made a baby with her. And when he would leave, she would either threaten suicide or attempt it by taking a bunch of pills, and then he would take her back out of guilt. Uh now, if I have I have said this, okay, because I put this in the story. If I hadn't mentioned it yet, oh I haven't said this yet. Okay. So the men would say that Catherine was an incredible lay. And and I mean like insanely amazing in the sack. So I guess this is why so far, two men in her life have um really taken a lot of shit, and she was also really good at other things, if you catch my drift. And she, I already did mention this, uh, would get with men much smaller, smaller than her, making it easy for her to have power over them. Control. Now Sondo finally had enough after an argument which resulted in uh Catherine hitting him in the face with an iron, like a hot iron.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

Not a cast one, but just like you iron your clothes with. Yes. Like fucking smack.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Yes. Fuck. And then stabbed him in the stomach with scissors. So he went into hiding, like actual hiding, and she could not find him. So she moved on to John Chillingworth and had her fourth child in 1991.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

91, here we go.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

Now, John had also worked at the slaughterhouse and he was described as a pretty good bloke. But Catherine wouldn't let him move in with her because I guess at that time, if she did, she would stop getting her checks. So now by this time, Catherine has become completely unemployed and is living off of disability. She meant she decided she didn't want to work anymore, and she literally caused damage to her own back to make it to where she could be on disability forever.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

Yeah, she's in her 40s right now, right? Uh yes, yes, yes, yes. She's just been hold on, let's see.

SPEAKER_03 38:29

So she's about 35 at this point.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:33

And she's already been, I think it was about 30 when she decided she just didn't want to, she didn't want to work no more.

SPEAKER_00 38:39

I don't know. But spread all the hell throughout all of areas of Australia. Fuck.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

Now by this time, her mother had passed away and she inherited Barbara's house. She decorated it with animal skins, skulls, horns, rusty animal traps, machetes, rakes, and pitchforks, and this was floor to ceiling.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

The whole Ed Gean fucking homemakers market or whatever. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

Like not very baby proof for all these children she's got. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

The Ed Gean version. Yes, I love it. I mean, I hate it, but I love it, but I don't fucking love it.

SPEAKER_03 39:19

So abuse was definitely there between her and John Chillingworth. And Catherine was also, she was abusing her kids as well. But for some reason, they would stick up for her and say that all of these men that she's had so far were abusing her without any proof. Now, there was shit tons of pew uh pew of proof about her being abusive, but none of these men hitting her for they were not hitting her for any other reason than maybe self-defense. She's terrified.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

Right.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

Like she is wreaking all the havoc.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

Master manipulator, too, though, right? She's absolutely yeah, she's got everybody believing that she is the victim of whatever she is completely victimized.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

So it was said, it's you know, said that when she would do something horrific, like when when she when she killed the puppy and stuff, she would go straight and go tell other people that so-and-so had done something to her after she had already administered the abuse, she would say that it had happened to her first, and then so she wouldn't be looked at. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 40:28

Yeah, well, she could justify it publicly and then get away with it in her own mind, too.

SPEAKER_03 40:32

Well, she wouldn't say that she had done anything, she would turn it all around and make it look like the men was the abuser, the man was the abuser. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

Master.

John Price And Total Control

SPEAKER_03 40:41

Now, after three years of being with John Chillingworth, she had an affair with another John, and this was John Charles Thomas Price. And his nickname was Pricey. So that's what we're gonna call him throughout. Now, Pricey was described as a terrific bloke. He had been married before, he had three kids, and the marriage was said to have ended amicably. So there was no hard feelings, and he and the ex-wife also co-parented very well. The two older kids lived with him, and his youngest lived with his ex. He was a minor in Aberdeen, and so it was basically in Aberdeen, if you didn't work at the slaughterhouse, you worked at the mines. And the mines was like the more classier job. Now Kat moved in with him around 1995, but she still kept her home. And Pricey's kids seemed to like her kinda, and like they they had a weird feeling about her, but they got along with her just fine. And even Pricey said that life was a bunch of roses.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Really? Until it wasn't. Yeah, I mean, at this age, though, she's become a master at all the crazy.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

Well, like I said, she doesn't like she's had she has her craziness like in spurts. Like it's it's crazy for a while and then it's chill for a couple of years. You know what I mean? And uh other than like, you know, some arguments, like her craziness doesn't really show through all the time, but when it does, it's like, holy shit, who who is this bitch?

SPEAKER_00 42:19

Where earlier on, though, she was like constantly projecting that craziness.

SPEAKER_03 42:23

Well, that was like right after she had the first baby, it was back to back. I mean, she had I mean, that was fucking wild. That all happened like within, you know, a couple of months.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

Yeah, boom, bop, boom, bop, boom, bop, bam. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 42:36

So Pricey had never legally gotten divorced from his first wife. They were just no longer together. And Catherine, she couldn't bully him into marrying her. So she stole some of his money to buy herself an engagement ring. And he was like, No, it's still not gonna happen. And I mean, it is reported that he still loved his ex-wife, but uh, for some reason it just didn't work out. And his ex-wife had nothing bad to say about him either in the interviews and things that I watched. Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

Yeah, it was mutually just separate, and she's there to destroy her fifth man right now.

SPEAKER_03 43:16

So we're in 1998 now, and Catherine decides to really shake up Pricey's world because he won't marry her. So she does this by going after his job. See, he had made a really good name for himself in the mines. He worked his way up for the last 17 years and was making excellent money. One day he came home with some expired first aid kits that the company had literally just thrown in the garbage. And he was frugal like that. He said, I'm gonna just take these home. You know, they're not, I mean, it was probably band-aids and fucking neosporic. Right. Yeah. Well, Catherine decided to video this and took it to his boss. And because of their policy, this guy. Him fired after 17 years and he lost his pension. That I will never fucking understand. How the fuck are you gonna take away somebody's ability to make money? Yeah, 17 fucking years. And his ability to retire because he won't marry you, you fucking selfish ass, stupid ass bitch. Now he did kick her out after this, but unfortunately, just a few months later, he took her back.

unknown 44:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:31

But he didn't let her move back in. But this just him getting back with her cost him a lot. Not only had he lost his amazing job, getting back with her cost him his friends because they were like, bro, what the fuck? Because not only it did that happen, I mean, they're seeing the harm that she's doing to him physically as well as mentally, you know? And they told him that something bad was going to happen to him. Now the abuse continued, nothing got better, and she would accuse Pricey of abusing her, just like she had with the other men. Now Pricey does get another job, and his co-workers there are making bets on what Catherine was going to do to him next.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

Come on, frying pan. Come on. Is this the fifth dude? I think it's five, right? So far. Do what now? As her adult relationship. Yeah, this is four.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

She's had two Davids and two Johns.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

I was one off. I was one off. Fuck. I was thinking five.

SPEAKER_03 45:30

I mean, as far as relationship, documented relationships. We don't know about, you know, her teenage. Right, right. But her and David Kellett, like, they were fresh out of teenage years, like early 20s. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Right. God damn, those frying pans, though. Fuck.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

Yeah. Now, another thing that pissed Catherine off was that all his things, like his home and things that he had collected to pass down, were gonna go to his kids and not her. Ma'am, please take a seat because you're not, you're just a fucking bitch. You're not saying nothing. And I'm not saying that, okay, let me rephrase that. You're not just a fucking bitch. So if you're in a relationship with somebody and that, but you're not married to them and they've got grown children, absolutely their things, their state, whatever they own, are definitely gonna go to their children. Right. He's not even legally divorced from his ex-wife. And what kind of entitlement do you think that you have to just be here, you know, dating this guy? You've got your own shit. Why do you need his too? That's what that's what bothers me.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

Yeah, he's in a natural human state of mind, like we talked about earlier.

SPEAKER_03 46:39

Yeah. She took his fucking job and his retirement away from him. And I'm that makes me really fucking mad. Because this made me think about when I was getting divorced. And I was only 22 years old when I was getting divorced. And somebody that I was close to at that time knew the boss very well, very close with the boss of my ex-husband, and asked me. He was like, You want me to get him fired? And I was like, Absolutely not. That man makes sure my child support gets paid. The boss did. My ex-husband wouldn't have paid shit had he not been made to. But that his boss made sure that my child support got paid to me. So I'm like, no, why would I want to take away the bigger picture?

SPEAKER_00 47:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 47:25

And I was only 20, you know, I just don't understand things like that.

SPEAKER_00 47:27

Fuck trying to hurt that part. Yeah. I'm hurting and hurting, but at the same time, and I walked away from my first marriage. I just walked away. Right. You just walk away. I said you can have everything, the truck and everything. I don't give a fuck. Take it all. I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

Yeah, I'll never understand trying to ruin somebody's life, no matter what happened between you. Yeah. As far as their income goes. Because especially if you got now, they didn't have kids involved together. And I understand what she knew that that was gonna cut him deep. And she still found a way to weasel her way back in. And it just fucking sucks.

SPEAKER_00 48:02

She should have brought the fucking frying pan, though. Come on. This is fucking crazy, Lindsay.

Job Sabotage And Final Warnings

The Murder Scene And Aftermath

SPEAKER_03 48:09

Well, like I said, you know, she wants his things, he's leaving them to her kids, and that pisses her off. So she just continues to be crazy to him. Like this is just something that she'll continuously bring up in arguments. February of 2000, she stabs him in the chest and he finally goes on the 28th of February and gets a restraining order against her, but it doesn't go into effect for a while. So he tells his coworkers that if he doesn't, this is uh, like I said, this is the 28th. He tells his co-workers that if he doesn't show up to work the next day, that Catherine has killed him. And he tells his neighbor that if his van is still in the yard the next morning, Catherine has killed him. Well, guess what? He didn't go to work the next day. Fuck. And the neighbor sees that his van is still in the driveway at 6 a.m. So co-workers and the neighbor call police after they see blood on the front door. Now the kids had spent the night at a friend's house, so they weren't there. The police came in and found a pool of fresh blood. Here we go. And what was left of John Price's body. No! Then they hear snoring in another room to find Catherine in a comatose sleep. So now re-rind, real quick, the day before. Catherine goes to her older children's house, makes a video with her kids and her grandkids that would be described as a crude makeshift will. She then goes to a thrift store and buys some black lingerie. Pricey had spent the evening hanging out with the neighbors, drinking, and then went home to watch TV and falls asleep. Catherine then shows up, seduces him into having sex, and then he falls asleep again. Catherine then wakes him up and is stabbing him over and over 37 times to be exact. And he tried to escape out the front door, hence why there's blood on the front door, but he didn't make it. And Catherine dragged him back into the hallway where he bled out. Catherine then leaves the house to go into town and withdrew a thousand dollars from Pricey's account and returns back to finish the job. She skinned him.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

No fucking way, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03 50:52

And hung his skin up like a curtain. She then cuts off his head and puts it in a stockpot with vegetables on the stove to simmer. She then cuts parts of his rump and puts it in the oven with potatoes, carrots, pumpkin, beetroot, zucchini, cabbage, yellow squash, and even makes it with a side of gravy. She sets the table with two plates that had Pricey's kids named on the place cards. No. Fuck. Now, another meal, full meal, was found thrown out in the yard. And it's either speculated that she ate some and threw it out, or that she was throwing it out for the dog. She took the rest of Pricey's body and placed him in his favorite chair, crossed his legs and draped his arm around a bottle of soda. She then took a ton of pills in another suicide attempt, but it didn't work.

SPEAKER_00 52:09

And she's back there fucking sleeping when they show up.

Trial, BPD, And Life Sentence

SPEAKER_03 52:12

The police got her to the hospital to get her stomach pumped. And of course, she doesn't remember anything.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

Yeah, why would you, right? I mean, you just did all that shit. Excommunicanto.

SPEAKER_03 52:26

Now the officers that were called to this scene would never be the same again. And one said he couldn't eat meat for months. They saw all of this. They walk in to the skinned. First of all, they thought that his skin, his actual skin, was a curtain. Was an actual curtain.

SPEAKER_00 52:44

She had that stretched out. Yeah. Yeah. That much experience in the slaughterhouse.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

Right.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:49

And then they see his body propped up, then his head in a stockpot. Then this food on the table with his children's names placed up like this was a gourmet restaurant, you know.

SPEAKER_00 53:04

And this is at her place that she has set up with all the shit, right?

SPEAKER_03 53:08

No, this was at his house.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

Oh, at his house.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

But she had her knives. Like I told you, she didn't go anywhere without her knives.

unknown 53:15

Fuck. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:17

Now Catherine initially pleads guilty to manslaughter, but that was rejected. And she was charged with murder, to which she pled not guilty. So she was going to try and use some amnesia defense. Didn't know where I was actually at. Amnesia and disassociative. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

Yeah, this is because this is the 90s, right? Yeah. Yeah. So it's out in aware. 2000. This is 2000. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

Now, because of the graphic nature of this crime, it was not reported on very much. And a lot of the jury had an option of being excused. I think there was only five that remained and took the brunt of this shit. And she would uh she would end up changing her plea to guilty, but would continue to deny responsibility for her actions. Now she would be diagnosed with BPD, which is borderline personality disorder. And that explains a lot. Are you familiar with that at all?

SPEAKER_00 54:21

So BPD. Borderline where you're look you're at the spot where you're wanting to create something else in your head, but you're still kind of ass half-ass in control.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

But they also, so uh a lot of patients with BPD will love very hard and very intensely and then snap. Snap and then quickly move on and put all that on somebody else, which is she is done with all these because like she was insane over these men. But when something else would come along, she would just be like, okay, I'm done with you. Yeah. And then go on to the next blow.

SPEAKER_00 54:58

So lovey, lovey, dovey trauma, and then lovey dovey dovey. Right. Yes. Love very intensely. And they also in our conversations with other people and stuff. You can see people projecting lovey dovey dovey snap, and you're like, what the fuck just happened? And then they're back to lovey dovey. I've seen that, and we have seen that in conversations, little groups and things. I think a lot of people are dealing with that.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

Oh, yeah. It's not uncommon. I don't think it's diagnosed as much as it should be, but it's not an uncommon thing. No, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 55:30

Honestly, yeah. I'm taking a moment right now for awareness because that really does happen. I mean, I've seen it in clubs, I've seen it in conversations with uh strangers and other people. You're like, what the fuck just happened right there? What the hell? That dude was like our chick or whatever. Like they were on 10, very projectively negative, and then all of a sudden they're lovey dovey, right?

SPEAKER_03 55:53

Or they're on to the next person intensely and literally turn around right in front of you. How many times have we seen uh our Facebook friends be like this this is my world, this is my soulmate with like how many different people? That's kind of a touch of that, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

Yeah, that's awareness. I want to bring that out a little bit. Fuck.

SPEAKER_03 56:13

I mean, but BPD does not excuse any of her actions. It's not something that you can use as a murder defense. Sorry. Uh so when she's in the courtroom and listening to the details of what she had done, she would become hysterical to where she had to be sedated to continue to listen to what is being presented, what she did. You did this. Woman, you did this.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Right. She's disassociating in the middle of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:46

And she would be sentenced to life without parole, and this would make her the first woman in Australian history to receive that time of that type of sentence. So they had a good run. I mean, year 2000, they had a good run.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

They fucking hit it. There was a lot of shit that happened between their existence in public documentation until now.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

Exactly. She shouldn't have been out on the streets after she tried to have her baby run over on the fucking railroad track.

SPEAKER_00 57:15

That's where it should have stopped, right? Exactly. Should have had some kind of valuation right there, mental something or other something.

SPEAKER_03 57:23

Yeah, she slipped through a lot of cracks.

SPEAKER_00 57:24

There was the breaking point right there, though. Like when you did all that and you already built something right there, it should have been looked at a lot fucking closer and it would have stopped all of this.

SPEAKER_03 57:35

You shouldn't be able to sign yourself out of a hospital after you've attempted murder on your child. There you go. Yep. And other people, because I mean, she literally tried to do it to the family she held hostage to go find David. She tried to kill David. I mean, her intention was to kill David, her mother, and the mechanic, poor little Hoppy, that fixed his car so he was able to leave her.

SPEAKER_00 58:01

Fucking Hoppy, man.

SPEAKER_03 58:05

Now, her papers would say definitely never to be released. Now, it said that she thrives in prison and she is a leader, and probably because everyone is scared to fucking death of her. And she actually mediates inmate disputes. She hasn't had any violent charges whatsoever at her time in prison. And that's been about what 26 years? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:33

Fuck. So that isolation really helps center her herself.

Sources And Why Reach Out

SPEAKER_03 58:38

Yeah, I mean, some people just that's where they gotta go. That's where they gotta go. Yeah. Um, and she is currently 70 years old and resides at Silverwater Women's Correctional Center.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

Still alive? Still alive. We're reaching out.

SPEAKER_03 58:53

We're reaching out to her?

SPEAKER_00 58:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

She's in prison. I'm not reaching out to that crazy bitch.

SPEAKER_00 58:58

I'm reaching out. No, you don't. I'm gonna send her a podcast.

unknown 59:02

No.

SPEAKER_00 59:03

She says no. Lindsay says no. But you know what?

SPEAKER_03 59:05

There is not. Uh, so you can find. Okay, so uh sources really quick. I tried to find the book that was written about her called Bloodstain, but I could not find it on audiobook. So what I did was I found an interview with the author of that book, who basically gave like an hour and a half rundown of a lot of the key points. And that's where I got a lot of the information. But the book is, if you want to look it up or and buy the book, it's called Bloodstain by Peter Laylor. And then I also found a, I think it was Crimes of the Century documentary on YouTube, which is about 45 minutes, and it has a lot of the police officers that were at the scene. I do encourage our listeners to watch that. Right. Get you a little bit more, you know, get you a visual of what now it does not, it's not graphic. It does not show what they found because I I don't think that should ever be. No, that's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:06

There's a good ass movie to be a part of this that we we need to we need to make happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

But you know, because I know movie makers. I was surprised until I watched those uh doc or that documentary uh that she wasn't a household name, but that's because it was uh the the reporting on it was limited because it was so horrible and graphic. It was terrible.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:28

That you know, it was just very mildly reported on nowadays.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:32

It would be a global entity. Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

Within seconds, there would be memes and YouTube videos about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:37

Yeah, no, the thing, the thing where I was like, I want to reach out. Is did she come with like a conclusion of her own self-guilt or anything where she was just like accepting never? No. Okay, I can't reach out. I can't we're not we're not gonna get anything cool back from that, but if she had, then I would definitely want to reach out.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:56

Now she has, you know, she has described her childhood and she has talked about a lot of things she went through to kind of create like what we call the salad to help you understand maybe why she did what she did, but there's there's no excuse for any of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:14

No, she's not accepting it, right? No. I mean, so in season three, though, I think on our podcast, I want to find more avenues to reach out to because we've only we've only actually corresponded with one survivor. But at the same time, I don't want to she's not a survivor by no means, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:31

No, no, I'm saying I don't really want to be uh I don't want to have conversations with the the the murderer.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:38

You don't have to. I want to. I just I'm just like I just want to get a little bit more out of that and just be like, we have done things, you know. And not that I condone anything that she has done, but like gathering things just for my own personal projection. I just I just wanted to see what brought her to all that because we talk about salad, you know? And I don't condone any of that. No, not at all. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:10

Yeah, no salad is an excuse for actions because, like I said, she had siblings who went through the exact same thing that didn't do any of this. Yeah, we talk about breaking points.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

That should have happened with her child when her first baby, when she's putting on the railroad tracks, somebody should have grabbed her up then. You know, the uh public awareness. I mean, you're you're you're trying to put together what is going on in somebody's mind before it actually transpired into this horrific fucking story, Lindsay. Oh my God. This is really broken. Broken Thank you, Lindsay, for completely destroying me again.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

This one's been on my list for a while, and I was like, Well, you know, I I've been trying to do that lately. I'm cleaning up my list because I had, you know, added some things that were newer that I went ahead and did because new information was coming out about those, like Ed Geen and things like that and documentaries. But like now I'm like, I'm going through my list.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:22

Like you're you're cracking them out, dude. Cracking them out. Yeah. Just you're hitting me with with a frying pan over here. Thank you, Lindsay. I mean, no, I'm I would never. I I just I really have now I'm starting to build some infatuation with like trying to get a little bit more out of people that are still alive, negative, positive, whatever, but reaching out and trying to figure out just a little bit more and and corresponding with them in the world.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:47

Well, this is a person that's never gonna take responsibility for her actions because she basically says she she she remains that that she doesn't remember, and it was all done in pretty much a disassociated state.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:59

Fucking lying the whole goddamn time. You gotta be in in some way, some form.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:04

There's no because she was declared sane. I mean, BPD is not insane. Well, yeah, that does not make you insane.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:11

It's a disorder of evaluations. I guarantee it. There's been many years of of this and looking into it, and she doesn't have the right to do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:19

Oh, another thing that I forgot to mention. So part of BPD is um abandonment issues. So that is why she went through a lot of those links to like scare her partner because anytime, like I said, they wouldn't come home on time. So they do, she did these insane things because they weren't home in the time that she thought. So they're just in her mind, she's like, oh my god, they're just leaving.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

Control manipulative, yeah. Yeah, I get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:51

No, she yeah, she wanted to control and manipulate them into never leaving her, but then she would always leave, you know? I mean, pretty much, except for that one guy, uh Sondo, he got the fuck out. I mean, she never found him. And I mean, thank God, like I hope that guy is doing fine. Or, you know, living out his days. Oh. And you know, that's probably like her partners, because Peter Valor or Laylor, not Valor, Peter Laylor does interview her surviving partners, and these guys like cry and uh, you know, they uh have their own trauma from being a survivor of Catherine Knight. You know?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

It's it's a lot. So I do encourage you guys to find that book. Like I said, I listened to an interview with him where he kind of broke down uh a lot of the book because I could not find it on audiobook, unfortunately. But I do suggest if you want to know more about this story, buy that book, support the author, and uh look up that that uh YouTube interview that I found.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

Horror movie worthy.

Music Palate Cleanser Feature

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

Oh, absolutely. Can I play music? Absolutely. Cleanse our palates.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:04

The whole palatisms. I have a band though. It's called Rotten Cotton Candy.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:10

Oh, that is the coolest name. I mean, honestly, really cool name.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:16

Yes. You guys are fixed to get punked the fuck out. I can't wait. This song is called Candy Eyes. Lindsay, you're fixing to rock the fuck out.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

Come on, let's do this.

Band Shoutouts And Where To Follow

SPEAKER_03 1:09:12

They were amazing great punk rock out of Dallas, Texas.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:17

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:19

Yes, we have already followed them on Instagram and Spotify. I encourage you guys to do the same. They've got quite a little catalog of music. Listen to all of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:28

And some of our other band members and bands have already followed them.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:32

Yes, that we've recorded on here.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:34

Full circle. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:35

Little fam, little fam. Yes. Family that, like I told Jesse, doesn't know each other.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:39

What do they remind you of? Like the punk rock.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:43

Like 80s chick conquer.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:47

Oh God. Just playing all the music and all the stuff. I love being able to do that. It's really fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:53

But yes, uh, the our music palette cleansing portion is always amazing. So follow the bands and uh follow us. So you can find us on Instagram at DrinkAboutSomething. Our website is drinkaboutsomething.sight. Send us an email on drinkaboutsomething pod at gmail.com. Where are we at on YouTube, Jesse?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:16

Yeah, you just follow Gen Z, J-E-N-D-S-E-Y, and you can find some videos and some cool stuff with us. This band was fucking amazing. It reminds me of one of the bands that we played out of Gainesville. What was the band we played out of Gainesville? Everything hurts. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:33

We'll have to look them back up. Well, we're gonna we're gonna come up with, we're gonna have a little list here shortly to like just list everybody on an extended episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:41

I mean, you can go on Spotify and see our whole first season, 50 episodes. Like all the bands are on there. Check them out.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:49

And we're halfway through season two.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:50

Yeah, and we're in season two. I'm gonna do a whole nother Spotify list of all the bands there for season two. So we love it so much, Lindsay. I mean, I you destroyed me. You really have brought something that is movie worthy. Not that I want not that I want to reach out to somebody that's just like, but I think in season three, we're gonna reach out to people that are reach outable. You know, I don't I don't want to support anything that is horrific ever.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:17

We just want to know why. Yeah. Why the fuck did you do this?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:20

Mine, I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued now. I mean, I'm being a journalist now, I think. I don't know what the fuck I'm being. But we love you so much, Lindsay. And I want to we're gonna watch some James Bond shit like that. I'm ready for that shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:32

And one more thing, if you want to uh catch our lives once a week, we are drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay on TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:39

Yeah. Yeah, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:41

We thank you so much for your continuous support, and we will see you on Wednesday for our recap. We love you so much. Yes, yes, yes, yes with a frying pan.