Drinks And Friday Energy

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Hey Jesse.

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Good morrow, Lindsay.

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Good morrow.

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Yeah. How are you?

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Top of the afternoon to you. How are you doing there?

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Yeah.

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Uh, what you drinking today?

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Knob Creek. I had a deal on the Knob Creek.

SPEAKER_00 0:14

Yeah, we went there.

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I got it in uh on the rocks. I got it from uh Sam's. It was a good deal. If you want a good deal on Knob Creek, go to Sam's.

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I made like a little uh something that I'm gonna drink a little on that's got like a mango and um energy drink in it. So I'm gonna do some of that. What are you drinking over there, Misso?

SPEAKER_00 0:33

I've got um two strawberry white claws in my cup with some strawberry sunset alani. Sounds like heaven that you stole the rest of them.

SPEAKER_02 0:45

Yeah, I did. So that's in mine. Okay. I stole your steel. Yeah. Or whatever. Yeah, but I just took a sip of the uh knob creek and uh it's very, very party, Lindsay. It's it's very, very party, and it's uh it's Friday. Let's kick it off. Let's just uh party on. Happy Friday, everybody. I think we dance in the same dance to this now, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yes, we are. We're both talking at our own little not hit the Roxberry, but slower. Slower than Roxberry.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Yeah, definitely slower than Roxberry, but still we can do like the whole yeah, the finger nose thing. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

It's like they can't see you. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Well, but but all that matters is me and you. Yes, yeah, that's all that matters.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

No, and our wonderful listeners.

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Oh yeah, they matter.

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How are you?

What Made Us Feel Old

SPEAKER_02 1:55

You matter, thank you so much. You are wonderful, you are kind, you are smart, you are important. So important.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Yes, and if this is your first time, hey guys, how are you? Hello. Uh, so we are Jesse and Lindsay of the Drink About Something True Crime podcast, where we do talk about true crime, we have some drinks, and Jesse features a band at the end of the episode, kind of a palate cleanser, if you will. Because today we're gonna need one. But first, what made you feel old this week?

SPEAKER_02 2:36

A rough ass week, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Did you know?

SPEAKER_02 2:39

Yeah, I did. I had horrifically rough because I'm gonna say two things. Okay. Two. Heard. Yeah. So when I'm watching Testament with you late at night and I'm looking at all the commanders, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:54

So Testaments is the second part or the second series of Handmaid's Tale. If you guys haven't watched Handmaid's Tale, do it right now. If you don't do it for anything else, do it just for awareness. It's a horrible watch, but it's awareness. And now we're in the second show, Testaments. And go ahead. What did we watch?

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Tuesday, Wednesday?

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Uh, I think it was Wednesday. We watched it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

I'm as old as some of them creepy ass commanders on there.

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Spoilers.

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Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Yeah.

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Me.

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I know.

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I know.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

Make me want to barf. Made me literally want to go hurl. I was sick watching that episode. I was physically ill. Every what did I say like every five minutes? I was like, ew.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

Don't let the bastards keep you down.

SPEAKER_00 3:37

Yes. I was just like, ew. Fucking gross. Just I hate it.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

I'm looking at that and I'm like, dude, I'm like older than somebody.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

And you would never, ever, ever think to be anywhere near, like close to being attracted to a girl, because they're not women. A girl that age. No.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

They just retro puberty.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Creeping. Literally, just I mean, like immediately.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

Dudes always just happened. As dude creeping. Spoilers, not spoilers. Just fucking disgusting. And that was accepted. Part two, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

For a long time. What's part two?

SPEAKER_02 4:21

Dude almost fucking died yesterday.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 4:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

And how? Are you gonna explain how?

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Yeah, but I was gonna leave you in suspense because I'm a little fucking shocked about this. Because I had to go out to the aid, you know? And lifting hydraulic cylinder equipment off of a dump truck, the big piston that lifts up the dump truck, it slipped and fell and hit him right upside the head. Oh my god. Ambulances, the whole thing, blood gore, and all the stuff. Right there in front of me, I'd run out with the uh first aid kit, try to mop some of that stuff up, knocked him completely unconscious, and fractured his vertebrae back here in the back. So that's the update on that as we speak right now. Older dude, 65 years old. That made me feel old. Right? I want to retire at 65. Can you imagine that happening at 65? You're on the cusp of I listen.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

I am manifesting all the good energy because that is just it's not fair.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

No.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Well that we live on this rock made of water and and and and grass, and we have to work our asses off to be able to live decently. And you you you go and you try to achieve the dream of when you don't have to anymore, and then your life is just gone. Like that is so sad. Like, I have literally went to the funeral of a very dear friend. I'm gonna fucking cry. I gotta stop. But that worked her ass off every day, had multiple jobs. And you're going there, Lindsay? I'm just, I'm just, yeah, I'm not going. I'm not gonna go. I'm feeling your vibe, and I'm gonna get home.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

When I came home, I was like, Lindsay, I had a horrific fucking week at work, and I left it at that. I just didn't want to talk about it. And I just I really didn't want to get off into it until now, but I'm still trying to grasp a lot of it, but I was holding it back and I'm still kind of holding it back. You know, this dude was like a new Englander, transplanted into Florida, been working here for a long time, just you know, just an old kind of cat, dude. He's he's worked his ass off his whole life. You can tell, like, dude is worn down, he's ready. And at the cusp of retirement, and then a horrific, could have been tragic, life-ending, I mean, inches away. Inches, seriously, inches. I mean, because it hit him upside the head, but where uh where it was located between the uh hydraulic cylinder that probably weighs four or five hundred pounds, um, when it slid over, it had all that inertia between that and the bed frame of the dump truck. And if his head would have been just a little bit lower, there would have been no shot cushion. It would have been metal on metal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

So, anyhow, so yeah, what made you feel old this week, Lindsay? So mine's gonna be a little bit lighter. So I shared with you a couple of TikToks yesterday about songs that turned 30 years and songs that turned 50 years old. So in the 30-year category was like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana, um, smashing pumpkins, things like that. And then in the 50 category was is what we used to consider classic rock. So it made a little bit more sense, but it was it was still like a lot of fleet with music, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:57

When we were young young, it was pop music. It was like still kind of circulating in the radio, and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

And what was crazy is there was an Aussie song on both the 50 and the 30 year. Did you catch that? That's love, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Yeah, that's love.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

But that's what made me feel old this week. And I did post that in stories last week. If you guys follow us on Instagram, I posted one of the 30-year TikTok. And uh, I think the the handle of that guy is Potatosaurus. And I yeah, I've been following him for like since the beginning of my TikTok era. But yeah, it just those, it's crazy because all of those songs are still relevant today, which made me happy to know that that the good music is still continuing on. But when they aged it, I was like, I just wanted to just fall out. Just fall down and cry somewhere, crawl into a hole.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

Yeah. Not that I was trying to one up you there, Lindsay, but at the same time, you know, that's really weighing on me right now. It's pretty tough one there. Tell a story and fuck me up more. Go.

Setting The Scene In Moscow

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Well, yeah, I was gonna say, because I'm about to destruction. Yeah, destruction. Oh my god, I'm dropping my pen. Okay, so this week we are drinking about the Idaho four. Have you had any knowledge of this case whatsoever? Because it's pretty recent. No, none at all.

SPEAKER_02 9:26

Did it happen like at a potato chip factory or anything cool like that? Or no fuck. Love me some Idaho potatoes. I know, but they're not a groftin potatoes.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Is your favorite potato?

SPEAKER_02 9:38

Yeah, it's my uh favorite potato status. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Oh, I forgot to tell you, I saved a recipe on how to make them homemade instead of boxed.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

Ooh, that's eliminatus of that'll be a night when I have some time though, because it's a process.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Yeah. Decalculatus eliminatus. But I'll probably if we when I make those though, we'll probably never go back to boxed dog rotten. So anyway. Love them though. Like I said, today we are drinking about the Idaho 4. So in the fall of 2022, this is very recent. Five uh University of Idaho students were roommates in a three-story off-campus house on 1122 King Road in Moscow, Idaho. Now, there was a lot of a lot in the a lot of the resources that I used to put this all together. So a lot of people called it King Street, but the actual address was King Road. So there were six bedrooms, two on each floor, and this was like a hillside home. So there were entrances on the first and second floor, and then one of the roommates was in the basement.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

Right. But dormish, right? It's like a dorm.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

It's it was a house. Yeah. It was a house. Yeah. I watched, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:57

Well, they're they're college kids in a house together. Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Like a okay. So the roommates were Madison Mogan, and she went by Maddie, uh Kaylee Gonsalvas, Xana Kernodal, Dylan Mortensen, and Banthony, uh Banthony. Bethany, I think it's pronounced just maybe funky. It's spelled F-U-N-K-E.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

You killed it, Lindsay. Either way. Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

So uh all of these girls were part of the Greek life. They were all in sororities, okay? And Maddie and I just lit the fuck up right there.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Wait a minute. Wait, we gotta pump the fucking brakes on this one, bruh. My big fat Greek wedding type fucking situation? No.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

They walk around Greek life. They're in sororities and and you know, sorority life.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

Yeah, but at the same time, if like if they have ailments, are they spraying it with Windex? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

Oh god, don't say that. Okay. What? I love that. I'm taking a drink because this one's gonna be hard for me to unload on Jesse.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

I'm just trying to bring some light. I need some chuckle chuckles in this one, but you're gonna fucking just keep it right here, right? You're gonna pressure me.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

I'm so sorry. So Maddie and Kaylee had been best friends since they were little kids and grew up together in uh Court d'Alene, Idaho. And their rooms were on the third floor. Xanna and Dylan were on the second floor. Dennis Dylan's a girl, by the way. If you didn't catch that, I need you to lock that in.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

No, yeah, when you pull in Greek and like, oh bah, oppa. I'm loving it.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

So Xanna and Dylan were on the second floor, and then Bethany was on the first floor. I mean, it's base, it was, it was the basement, like I said. Now, Xanna's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, who was also part of the Greek life, he was in a fraternity. He stayed the night with Xanna often. So he was pretty much part of the household as well. They just called him like the honorary roommate.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

But all Greek, right? Just a full-on culturalistic college situation.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

What? What do you mean? They're not Greek people, they are just part of sororities and fraternities. You understand that, right? Oh, the Greek, the Greek okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

What the Greek lettering, the Greek words, yeah, Capazeta, Dhamma, one of the Wu-Tang clan members. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

That's what they call the Greek life. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Now, okay, now I'm I thought it was like Greek culturalistic people, too.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

Oh, they're in sororities and fraternities, which is the Greek life in college terms. Right. Yes, university terms.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

I mean, I get that, yeah. I just I thought it was like these people were actually Greek too.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

No, they're not Greek, they're not Greek at all.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

I was hoping, dude. I don't know why I didn't catch that. Like, I'm I'm watching you on like fantastic. I literally explained it to you. Well, I mean, maybe I was trying to twist it to make it, you know, a little bit funnier because I was hoping one of them would have a grandma that liked to flash people, dude. I mean, he just walks out somewhere. What do you mean he don't eat no meat? That's okay, I'm a lamb. I was trying to reach for something, Lindsay. Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Well, Ethan, he was.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

Wait a minute. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Oh, man. Revert your whole way of thinking. Yeah, but I was having fun with it. They are sisters of sorority, and Ethan is a brother of a fraternity, okay? Got you now. Got you now. Now, Ethan, he was part of a set of triplets. Now, I've met a lot of twins, but I've never met any triplets. And their mom or Ethan's mom does say that they are literal test two babies. You know, that does happen a lot when you get IVF or um in vitro it's in vitro, right? I'm not really schooled on all of it.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Scientific pregnancy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

So, yeah. So um, Maddie, she was 21 and she was a member of Pi Beta Phi and was about to graduate with a marketing degree, and she worked part-time as a waitress at Mad Greek restaurant. This was just like to pay her little bills, her little, you know, food that she wanted to buy, gas, things like that. So it's still Greek, though. No, Jesse. It's fraternity and sorority.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

Just leave me alone, dude.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

Just leave me alone. Now, Xana, she was 20 and also a member of Pi Beta Phi, and also worked at Mad Greek Restaurant and was also majoring in marketing, and she was a junior at the time. Her boyfriend Ethan was 20, a member of Sigma Chai, and was a sophomore majoring in recreation, sport, and tourism management. And I'm sorry, I did not look into what that is, but it seems like I didn't even know that that was a thing.

SPEAKER_02 15:42

Well, yeah. I mean, there's there has to be a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

I am a very uneducated person. Yeah. As far, but past high school, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Yeah. I mean, a lot of those guys probably have the same career in what we went through in that timeshare shit.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Oh, maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Now Kaylee was also 21, a member of Alpha Phi, and was about to graduate with a degree in general studies, and had a job lined up at an IT firm in Texas. Kaylee had the cutest little golden doodle named Murphy, who she had. This is so funny to me. This is for college kids. She had split custody of her little puppers with her ex. Uh, his name was Jack DeCour. And uh they had been broken up for about three weeks. And according to a few sources, they were still kind of they were co-paradhetic. They were fucking Murphy.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

There's no way I would have a dog named Murphy without having another dog named Charlie.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

He has his own Instagram page, and I'm gonna talk about that later on, okay?

SPEAKER_02 16:48

I would have a Charlie dog and a Murphy dog.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

A Charlie Murphy.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

Yeah, because fuck your couch.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

All right. We're going dark, okay?

SPEAKER_02 16:55

I'm trying my best to not, dude.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Now I just want to say um really quick too. Now, this house was considered like the party house of King Road, okay? And there are a lot of other student uh student housing in the area. There was apartment complexes. This was just like, this was a party street. And 1122 or 1122, whatever you want to call it, King Road, King Street. It was party central.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Uh people were in and out all the time. The sliding glass door didn't even lock. Everything was, it was just a nice little community of friends. They had a large friend group. There was other people in the apartment complexes that would come and go as they pleased.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

You're bringing in a lot of variables into the salad here, Lindsay. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

Well, on November 12th, all the roommates had done some partying. Like some went to games. Um, Ethan had gone to a formal with his sister. So his he had a brother and a sister. They were all part of the triplet circle. The the little triplet, whatever you want to call it. They were the triplets.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

The thruple group, yeah. They're having fun.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Yeah, and and they're they're DNA related. Yes. Okay. Like, yeah. So Ethan had gone to a formal with his sister Madison. Not Madison. That's not right. I'll get to her name in just a minute.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

Yeah, we have no mistakes here.

The Night Of The Murders

SPEAKER_00 18:24

So the rest everybody had done some partying, like I said, and um, Kaylee and Maddie, uh, they were in their room, and Ethan had come over to stay with Xanna, and she got some food delivered around 4 a.m. Now, Dylan, she was in her room sleeping and woke up to some noise on the third floor where Kaylee and Maddie were, and she thought that maybe it was just Murphy the dog, like, you know, just scurry it about.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

Charlie Murphy.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

But then she hears one of the girls say, There's someone here. So she opened her door, but she didn't see anything. And I need to stress this heavily. Dylan had done some drinking, they had been pre-gaming since like 11 a.m. All all the all the kids in this house. Everybody had been drinking all day in and out. And, you know, so things can be disoriented when you're like in a half drunk, half asleep state.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Okay. College kids, party party, what you got? Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

So after she sees that, or she didn't see anything when she opened the door, she also thought that she heard someone crying and then hears a male voice that she didn't recognize say, It's okay, I'm going to help you. Now she didn't think anything of it at the time. So she just closed her store. Like I said, she's in a half sleep, half drunk state. Well, she opened her door again a little later, and she sees a male that she did not recognize, like at all. He was dressed in all black with a mask over his face, like a COVID mask. Because this, you know, we're post-COVID times, but they still have it going on.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

And this guy uh walks right past her and she remembers that he has bushy eyes and thought that he was a fireman. And he goes out the sliding glass door, which was on the second floor. That was the exit on the second floor. And she was kind of frozen in fear for a moment, you know, because she didn't recognize the sky. But this was a party house, people were in and out all the time, and apparently the sliding glass door was like what everybody used.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Right. Maybe she was thinking, well, maybe he's just gone and it's all right.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

At one point she thought that she was just seeing things. Well, she decides to text Bethany, who's down in the basement, and be like, Hey, are you did you hear something strange? Did you see anyone? And apparently Dylan was already had the reputation of being a little bit more dramatic. Bethany's like, no, but you know, get down here if you want to. So she Dylan goes down to Bethany's room and she kind of runs down there and she's still scared and disoriented. And on the way, she saw Xana laying on the floor of her room and thought that she was just kind of drunk and passed out because we have all been there when the floor is your sanctuary. You know what I mean? Like you lay in bed and everything's spinning. So you just kind of want to lay on the floor.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

They're living on the edge. They're used to seeing people just flopped over. Even Randos just on dude on the couch. You know what I'm saying? Whatever. And they're kind of used to this, but at the same time, it's catching her off. And she's like, wait a minute, I got some kind of red flags popping up right here.

The Morning After And 911

SPEAKER_00 21:51

But she still freaked out, you know, about what she thought she saw and goes down to Bethany's room and they lock the door and they try calling all the other. Roommates. They don't get an answer, so they just assume that everybody's asleep. And Dylan kind of describes it as maybe she was just dreaming. You know, she's in this half drunk, half-sleep state. Now that so her and Bethany kind of go in and out of sleep for the next few hours. But as more time goes by and the girls kind of wake up and start sobering up, Dylan was like, maybe that wasn't a dream. So they decide to call a couple of other friends to come over from the neighboring apartment complex. Like I said, they had a large friend group. And one of the friends, Hunter Johnson, goes on up and finds that Xana and Ethan were dead.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Figured that was coming, but damn, Lindsay. And there is what is is described as rivers of blood.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

No.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Some of Ethan's blood had actually leaked out of the house. Out of the house.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

So they called 911 and Hunter Johnson actually kind of he's careful what he says to these girls to make them call 911 and he's like, tell them there's an unconscious person. Which will later be scrutinized, and I don't understand because these are all fucking kids. You know what I mean? So when the police arrive, they also find that Maddie and Kaylee were also dead.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

Holy shit, Lindsay. This is plant worthy. This is plant worthy stuff right here. I'm gonna go ahead and just turn on over to Roberto.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

All four victims have been stabbed to death by a military-grade K-Bar knife. Oh who else used the K-Bar knife?

SPEAKER_02 23:54

In Gainesville.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Just south of us, type situation. Copycat type situation.

SPEAKER_00 24:02

No, we'll get there, but it's it was just crazy to me that we've already covered student murders that were killed not in the same manner by any means, but with the same weapon.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

So go back and check out Screaming for Danny Roland. Yeah. You can hear about all that and understand why there was a franchise of horror movies made behind it. But still, dude, why is that a thing? Oh, that's so fucking oh, I'm a you've got to be.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

Well, and you know, in a lot of resources that I used, it's crazy because, like, even though this is a military grade knife and a lot of people in the military own one, they don't ever use it. It's just like a thing that they own, you know?

SPEAKER_02 24:48

Yeah, last resort, hand-hand combat something.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Well, the killer left behind the sheath.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

So just clock that, okay?

SPEAKER_02 24:59

Yeah, because we're hoping to hate on somebody later on. The fucking crazy bastards, dude. What the hell did they fucking get off into? I understand the party party and having all that stuff, but what's the case?

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Let me get, yeah, it's uh it's crazy, okay. So the survivors, of course, they have to be questioned, along with everybody in the friend group and Jack, Kaylee's ex, he woke up to several missed calls from her because he had been sleeping. And when he calls back and he doesn't get an answer, he just comes to the house and then he sees police and his friends, like all like they're on the street just crying as the police are going through this house. And what's crazy is okay, so the I uh University of Idaho, their um, their mascot is the Vandals, and they get a vandal alert, which is like an Amber alert, but just for their school. Yeah, just in the campus. While they're yeah, while they're sitting out there waiting on police to come tell them something, they get a vandal alert on their phone about a homicide at that house. They don't the the police are right there and haven't told them anything.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

So somebody else is alerted outside of the house.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

Well, they they yeah, yeah. So the police contact this, the the school board, you know, and so this, so and they're like, we're sitting here waiting for answers. I mean, like one of them even said, What the fuck is this to the police? And the police do apologize, but it it's a lot. There's just a lot of silence in this case that really bothers me. Before, yeah, they don't even know that Kaylee and Madison are also dead.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

They know that Xana and Ethan are, but not Kaylee and Madison. So now there's, you know, absolute panic.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

Onset by the aggressor, I'm sure, right? I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

No, just yeah, let me okay, let me get there.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

Damn, this is some crazy twist right here. And I'm just thinking of that fucking knife, because God, I have nightmares about that knife, dude. I'm gonna buy one.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Well, uh, you know, Jack, he gets questioned, and then Hunter Johnson, who originally found Xana and Ethan, he calls Hunter Chapin, who is Ethan's brother, his twin, or you know, his part of the triplet.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

Hunter Chapin has to call his sister Maisie. That's who he took, that's who Ethan took to the formal. I couldn't remember her name right off the dome. So he calls his triplet sister Maisie, and then his mother, who was grocery shopping, and six hours away. Now the school nor the police had contacted any of the parents by 2 p.m. in the afternoon. They called 911, I think it was 11:55. They had the vandal alert had already gone out, but no police or school had called the parents of any of these families yet.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

There's chaos everywhere. And I can just so we have four victims, okay? Right when these parents, especially some of these parents have not been public in their talking. A couple of them have. Hunter's parents have, or excuse me, Ethan's parents have, and Maddie's parents have.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

And it's a tight-knit street, so everyone on the street already knows. They all know each other. They all know. Yeah.

Rumors And Early Chaos

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Now, for the safety of the students, classes were canceled, and this turned into like an early Thanksgiving break. And I I could not put in words what these families were going through, like at all. I can't. You have to listen to the audiobook and the uh documentary that I'll plug later. Now, the question was: who the fuck committed these horrific murders and why were these four kids targeted? And there was speculation that they were bound and gagged, and they were not. There was speculation that there was some weird love triangle between some of them. There was not. There was speculation that one of them had been stalked, but we're gonna go, we're gonna get held. It's something that's not connect. I can't it doesn't connect.

Elantra Leads And DNA Breakthrough

SPEAKER_02 29:33

There's nothing. So fucking reason right here. And I was thinking the same thing, of course. What what else what else could I think? You know, I'm as an ontaker of all your fucking true crime shit that you keep throwing at me, what else am I gonna think? But there's nothing.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

So after investigation of thousands of tips and reviewing camera footage from the area, like people's ring cameras, CCTV, everything that any that they could find, um a white Hyundai Elantra kept being spotted several times on several occasions. And it had been seen speeding away from the area around 4:20 a.m., the day of the murders. Xanna had food delivered at 4 a.m. I just want y'all to know that. This all happened within 20 fucking minutes. Now, this information along with DNA on the knife sheath all pointed to a 28-year-old criminology student named Brian Koberger, who was attending Washington State University in Pullman, Washington. And this was just about uh, this was under a 10-minute drive from Moscow.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Fuck, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Whole different state, but it's only a 10-minute drive.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Oh, but it's so horrifically twisted into I have so many thoughts, but I'm gonna let you keep talking. I've sounded like that.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Yeah, you're gonna have to just let me roll on this one because you will not understand nor figure it out. No, well, I mean, I'm and I just want to say also, uh, before I go any further, Dylan and Bethany, the survivors, they were ripped apart online. Yeah, and that's ripped apart for not calling 911 sooner, for not doing this, for not doing that. I mean, their lives were fucking torn apart because they survived. These were kids. Yeah. Kids who had been drinking for 12 hours plus in fear about the situation that they're in the middle of right now.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

And it didn't make sense. How are you going to communicate to these people and be adult about it? Half of them are still probably a little buzzed to begin with. And they have this lifestyle, and now it has become what their parents told them not to get into. I mean, yeah. Who wouldn't be like kind of a little off a little bit when you're trying to explain all this that happened in your own household that you're trying to control?

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Well, also, during the entire investigation, it was 47 days. There was the police weren't talking at all. The only things that they would do and come on and say after like so many rumors were being speculated and people's lives were just being torn apart, they would come on, you know, to the media and say, okay, this is who we're not suspecting. So please stop harassing them and, you know, just tearing them down because we don't suspect these people at all. And so Madison and Kaylee had been seen at what was called the grub truck. It was like pretty much the only spot that you could go. It was a food truck that you could go and get food from after partying. And they would do a live Twitch like every night. And it was kind of like an advertisement for more college kids. Hey, come get food from us. We're open, we're available, come get food. They were seen buying food from this truck. And there was a guy in a white hoodie behind them who everybody just fucking targeted. And it wasn't him. It wasn't him. So this guy's life was like fucking wrecked. Then there was another guy who was called, uh, who was part of the like this um little community called Sober Bros who would pick people up and responsibly take them here and there. He was scrutinized. Like it was so many people were just fucking torn apart because of this one motherfucker named Brian Koberger. Now, Brian was born November 21st, 1994. And I'm sorry, but that made me feel ancient because a motherfucker that was born in 1994 can commit crimes like this already. That doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

But he was studying the criminology stuff, right? Studying criminology stuff. Okay. So he is the guy with the DNA they're starting to really target right now. Because there's nothing else. There's nothing tangibly else. Like they're they have something physical.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Well, they found they had to research because he didn't have a wrap sheet.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Or biological. He didn't have a wrap sheet.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

So they had to find his DNA through like our heritage apps that we use now, like DNA uh 23andMe and Ancestry and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

Which is a good fucking thing. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Very good thing. It is solving so many crimes now.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

So many millions of things have been exposed over that right now over the last 20 years.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

Not even 20. It's like a decade.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

Maybe. Well, maybe 15. I'm not sure. Who? All the way to time doesn't make sense to me anymore. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Yeah. All the way to the the this the scarf that they found from uh Jack the Ripper, right? Right. And we're gonna where he's on the list. Ooh, but um so this is a lot, and I'm I'm destroyed already. And this guy, ooh, this guy, and studying all the criminal and all the shit, and then he's fucking just that fucking knife, and that I'm so scared of it.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Oh God.

Kohberger Background And Red Flags

SPEAKER_00 35:06

Now he was from Pleasant Valley, Pennsylvania. He's all the way over here in Washington State, okay? He had been the weird kid in school, was bullied for his weirdness and his weight most of his life. He had already been to rehab for heroin abuse a couple of times. And he had a best friend who ended up passing away. Brian stole from his family. Like he would sit in the trees and wait for this kid's family to leave and go in and rob this kid's father of his knife collection, his coin collection.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

Like all this is like real things that people know. No, that was never reported.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

On the facts of the case, I'm about to say why. So the mother of this kid that Brian was friends with knew that it was Brian, but she didn't report it because she knew of everything that Brian's family was already going through with his heroin abuse, so she never reported it. So he has, like I said, he has no rap sheet.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

Okay, because I'm over here looking at Lindsay right now, and I'm like, I'm wanting to see like all the okay, so the mother, the mother's coddling and holding back from letting this exposure happen to try to push him into something great in life. Hey, I'm gonna hold all this back. I'm not gonna tell nobody, go on to college and make your life and be a good human, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Well, yeah, because okay, so he goes to he attended Monroe Career and Technical Institute, but he dropped out, and I think this is around the time that he was having the heroin problems, and then he became a security officer for the Pleasant Valley School District in 2015. In 2018, he attended Northampton Community College and earned a bachelor's degree in psychology. And then in 2022, he moved all the way across the country to Washington to pursue a PhD in criminology in criminology and was working as a teacher's assistant.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

The top fucking student in the class.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

Absolutely. Whoa. Now, he was pretty much still the weird guy, you know, and he liked to stare at people and he would stare at them for uncomfortable amounts of time to kind of establish dominance. This was like his oh my god, when I show you a lot of people, he got power from it, right?

SPEAKER_02 37:34

Yeah, on a power trip.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

Right. And a lot of female students began to complain about him because he he literally like seeped out misogynist behavior and projecting darkness on everyone. Yeah. Yeah. And he had uh recently had a meeting with the school faculty, and they terminated him from his TA position after a couple of warnings. He had warnings. He's like, they're like, so he was what he was doing was he was when he was grading uh mostly the females' uh essays and things, he was writing more essays on top of their essays, critiquing them, and just and it was basically just all on the female students.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

Yeah, power over them because they're not gonna fight physically, but he hated fucking women. Yeah. What a fucking dirt bag, dude. I'm all right, I get to build it. Can I build the hate? Can I not that I want to live in hate, I hate it.

Incel Ideology And Elliot Rodger

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Well, this is gonna really fuck you up here, okay? So Brian had an obsession with a guy named Elliot Roger, who was an incel. Do you know what an incel is? No. Okay, so an incel is an involuntary celibate. And incels are a community of men who are pretty much not able to have a relationship with the opposite sex or same sex or whatever, but they desire one. But they're too awkward to make this happen for themselves in their own lives. So they just begin to hate mostly women. And they definitely hate women that are popular and of the Greek life, and they call them Becky's and Stacies. And they're just like, this this is this was very scary to me. This is a community. I'm like, I'm I've got tears welling up in my eye. There is a community of fucking men that hate women that just bash them and talk about, just talk bad about them. And are you kidding me? This guy right now, Elliot Roger killed six people and injured 14 before taking his own life. And he had a 37-page manifesto and a video describing everything he was gonna do before he did it. I guess that he hit release before he committed all these crimes, and Brian Koberger idolized this fucker.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

What the fuck? That's a real thing, Lindsay. It's a real thing.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

I know. I've got chills. This one's bothered me all week. Look at me.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

There's pockets of this bullshit that people actually participate in.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

And side note, there was uh there was 62 million men that all visited a website that basically is a how to sexually assault your wife and how to. I mean, it's the world is bad. Everything is bad.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

Why do I have chills right now? I know. Why are you looking at me like this? Why am I looking at you like this? Why are we doing this? Why is this a this? This should not be a fucking this, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

This, this, this researching this case has feared me into exhaustion over what the human mind can sit and think of.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

I knew that Brian Koberger did not, I wanna, can I just the plant's not good enough here?

SPEAKER_00 41:04

He did not know one of these kids. But we're gonna go on. I'm gonna go on.

unknown 41:11

No.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

So Brian never felt like he fit in and did not know how to talk to women. So why did he target the four that was murdered? While there has not been yet established any motive whatsoever, he had eaten at the Mad Greek restaurant because they served vegan pizza and he was a vegan. And uh either Maddie or Xanna, I'm pretty sure it was Maddie, turned him down.

SPEAKER_02 41:42

And there was his motivation right there, full on.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

So he stalked them. Now, after the murders, after he committed these four horrible crimes, he returned to the crime scene around 9 a.m.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

to see what he created.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

But also, I think because he studied criminology, that he was gonna go and try and get that knife sheath back that he left behind. Right. Because another student that he went to school with, uh, that was in the documentary I watched, said that he probably gloved up, wore booties, did all the things to not leave anything behind. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

In fucking college. Right.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

Yeah, he got all his shit, hated people because of not being able to deal with rejection and not knowing how like he treated women like shit. Yeah. You don't get a woman's attention by critiquing them to death, by making them feel stupid, by making them feel inferior.

SPEAKER_02 42:49

Yeah, you don't get his power, he's gonna take it right away, right off rip, because he's not gonna deal with rejection, because he's not capable of dealing with rejection. That's what it boils down to. Pretty much. Yeah, human rejection when it comes to sexuality, you can't not have that in life. You have to learn how to deal with that on both sides.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Well, then he left on a road trip back home to Pennsylvania. Now his dad flew all the way from Pennsylvania to come drive this distance home with him. I guess it was because he, I'm sure he told his dad, I want a road trip home. So, really quick, um, uh, I I referred to my side notes because I forgot to mention this. So, after the murders and the police are quiet and everything's quiet, there is a gag order in state for people who do know evidence. Okay. Before he, and I'm, you know, before we get to already had eyes on him. They already had eyes on him. There was two girls or women. Excuse me, that um made a Facebook page of the Idaho murder discussion group. This is before anybody knew anything. There was one person with the handle, Papa Roger, Elliot Roger, Papa Roger.

SPEAKER_02 44:18

Okay. Yeah, that's who he's studying.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

That's who he's studying. That was so his all of his posts, all of his comments were so disturbing that these girls had to end up banning him. Unfortunately, they lost the footprint of all of his posts because of that banning. And when you look at his so I guess they had screenshot a picture of his handle, which was an AI generated version of him. When when they go on to arrest this guy, they compare and they're like, holy fuck. Because she, I mean, one of the girls, one of the uh uh uh admins was like, I would have I should have screenshot everything because he was under the handle, Papa Roger, and he was actually talking about shit that was not discussed or discussed or in the open.

SPEAKER_02 45:17

Did daddy know? I want to know now. Did daddy know? Daddy went and got him. Did daddy know? They drove all the way back. Did daddy know?

SPEAKER_00 45:25

At this point in 2026, no, that nothing like that has come to light.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

But okay, so this is in between them traveling back, or you made it back.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

So, okay, so dad flies from Pennsylvania and they drive Brian's Elantra to Pennsylvania, back home. He's going home for the holidays.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

Right, from Washington to Pennsylvania. The police are already watching. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

The police are already watching. And um they do two like routine traffic stops because he keeps tailgating people. Like he's, you know, kind of driving. I mean, stop tailgating people. Don't get on their ass. Somebody tailgated me the other day, and I was fucking pissed because if I have been in the mood and wasn't on my way to work, I would have break checked and just let that fucker hit me. Don't tailgate people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

Car length behind. You feel like you got them cool ass driving skills? Just back the fuck up and be safe because it's gonna cause somebody else though. Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

I almost pulled I almost pulled over and just let this person go around me. Yeah. But anyways.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

Yeah, I had a weird driving situation today, but I mean I was in control, but at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

That was fucking kids. Yeah. So they've got eyes on him for a couple of days. They watch him thoroughly clean out his car using gloves, things like that. And when they arrest him, he was actually separating certain things into like Ziploc baggies. They bombard the Coburger household. They arrest him on December 30th. These murders happened in November before Thanksgiving. So, like I said, it was 47 days. And this was 47 days of pure fucking hell to the survivors, to the families, to people. Like I said, the sober bro, Hunter Johnson, the one who found them. And and you know, like like Chegger.

SPEAKER_02 47:16

So many people get in hell.

Online Sleuths And Collateral Damage

SPEAKER_00 47:18

He got death threats. Why? Him and his girlfriend. Yeah, who lived in the neighboring apartment complex, who was um big sister, like in the sorority house. She was big sister to Maddie. And yeah, like these kids went through fucking hell from online sleuths and just absolute crazy people out there. We gotta stop doing that. We gotta stop standing behind our keyboards and ruining people's lives. I mean, honestly. Yeah, and you gotta kinda because Dylan and Bethany, they still like they're not in the public eye whatsoever. Yeah. The survivors.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

Building up to a college situation because they moved into that street and they were like, This is the fucking party central. We're gonna party party. But they were so fucking young. They were young and naive. They they had no idea. I blame the campus for this bullshit, man. They should have been a little bit more This is off-campus. Oh well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

This was an off-campus party road. Like uh student housing, off-campus, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

I mean, it's in every college town, right? This this kind of scenario is. I mean, it's right down the road from us.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

We live right down the road from what it's not ready for this. College campuses in there.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

You know, these kids are not ready for this.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

But at the same time, maybe these stories, how would they have ever known that some sick fuck was out there just watching them? Like Maddie had you any woman alive has i every right to reject any dude that they're not feeling without any cause, without having to face any consequences. And she and three of her friends, her best friends, died because this fucker couldn't take rejection. And that is awful.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

Some douchebag at the restaurant trying to fucking smack you on the ass while you're walking by. What fucking hell? Dude, what the fuck? And there's thousands of these motherfuckers in a group there are looking looking into this kind of bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 49:15

Millions.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

So, like I said, he was arrested on December 30th, 2022, and he was charged with four counts of first-degree murder and one felony count of burglary because his neighbor in his campus had asked him to help her out installing cameras, and he fucking set it up to where he could go rob her. This trusting young woman. This is why you're rejected, motherfucker. You're a bad person. Yeah. You're a bad fucking person.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

Should have been exploded before he went to fucking college.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

I gotta chill out. I gotta chill out before I get in trouble. Mom. Mom. There you go. It wasn't his mom. It was his friend's mom. And she was just trying to save the family, his family.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

Uh-uh. Don't do it. No. Don't do it. We damn sure don't put up with that bullshit. Absolutely not. We see some shit like that. We're calling it out. You're gonna have to ride your fucking wave, dude. You've just made this situation, and we're gonna make sure everything gets exposed. I don't give a fuck, dude. Our own children, we've done that. What? I mean, not no, never to this caliber. But at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 50:32

No, no, no, no. We've stopped it before it got to this type of caliber.

Guilty Plea Sentencing And Aftermath

SPEAKER_02 50:37

If there's any legal something or other where these kids need to be checked, we're gonna add whoever we need to and try to get them involved to try to straighten that out before. Otherwise, they can walk that line. Right. And we're not part of it anymore.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

He was extradited to Washington and then to Moscow and held without bail, of course. And they diagnosed him with Asperger's autism, but that is the highest functioning form of autism. And autism is not an excuse for murder, never will be. And Brian's attorney says that he was standing silent on the charges, which I didn't even know that that was a thing. So the judge uh entered a not guilty plea on his behalf. And that was in 2023. In June of 2025, Brian finally pled guilty and was sentenced to four life sentences and then another 10 years for the burglary in order to pay restitution in the amount of$270,000. The house where the murders were committed was donated to the University of Idaho by the owner and was demolished 10 months after the murders. Now, like I said, there were four people involved here, four victims, four families. And their thoughts on that situation were kind of split. Um, like I said, I'm gonna plug everything I listened to.

SPEAKER_02 52:08

There's more victims than that because they were going after some people that were just bystanders.

SPEAKER_00 52:13

There were thousands of victims if we want to get, or at least we want to get technical. Okay, we'll say we'll say 500 at least because the families, their friends, people involved, people that live nearby, everybody was scrutinized.

SPEAKER_02 52:26

Half of that whole street, and then their families, and they're all worried about their kids.

SPEAKER_00 52:30

TikTokers, YouTubers were talking about this shit constantly for clout and downing every party involved and saying what they would have done. You don't know what the fuck you would do in a situation like this until you're in it.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

No, that's why I can't be a current media rage baiter, you know? No, I can't. I can't do current media. Like, I don't want to do anything current, I just want to do past things that are already worked out.

SPEAKER_00 52:56

That's what we're doing here. But I mean, because people are like they're gonna but fast at the same time. At least this is dealt with.

SPEAKER_02 53:03

Well, it's done and over, but like they're jumping onto this shit and creating narratives and throwing people in this fucking thing, has destroyed a lot of fucking people over one person that should have been stopped before he went to college, I think. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can see all the signs, right? His mannerisms and everything, and his not being able to deal with fucking rejection, it became this. No. Learn your fucking rejection or just step away from humanity. You don't project any of any power struggles over humans. You don't fucking own that. You don't get that, you don't fucking deserve that at all or demand it just because you get some kind of crazy rejection about your weird autisms and your and your your inflictions and things with your own personality.

SPEAKER_00 53:50

Well, we don't want to call autism weird because I mean, to be honest, we're probably all a little on the spectrum, especially too. Your age, my your age, and and up.

SPEAKER_02 53:59

I'm not calling I'm not calling that. No, no, I know what you're saying or not.

SPEAKER_00 54:03

I just don't want anybody to misconstrue what he's saying here.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

Fuck no. I'm trying to I'm trying to analyze this into a point to where he needed to come up with an agreement with him and himself. And Asperger's is, dude, that's completely high functioning. High functioning, right? I mean, there's nothing wrong with being able to try to instill something for him to deal with that inhumanity before you set them off. Or you find out the levels where I understand that there are some levels where they can't really function in society as going out on their own 2,000 miles away, right? Without their parents, and then you you have to figure that shit out.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

To go get a they're out there getting a doctorate, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:45

Because you're so super intelligent, way beyond our fucking recollection. We can't we can't fathom this. I can't be a doctor of shit. Yeah. Maybe a food.

SPEAKER_00 54:55

I'm a great cook.

SPEAKER_02 54:56

So there's part of his people that cook better than me. But at the same time, you're trying to oppress women because you you can't deal with rejection.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 55:08

Does that make sense? So everything all wrapped up in a bag, I think, is dealing with rejection from the opposite sex, right? Because he's he's having those struggles, turmoils, inside dealing with all the he had to deal with all that through puberty.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

Now he's becoming a young adult, and now he's wanting to well, like I said, um so he was overweight as a child, and then he, you know, he became he lost a lot, he lost all the weight, and that still wasn't working for him because you're not a good person. You don't give off good vibes, Brian. You're trying, you're you're staring at people until the point where they feel uncomfortable. You are criticizing people, and it's even said that like in a just simple conversation, he would just talk over people and try to demand it. He was demanding that power, demand attention, demand power, and he always acted like he was more intelligent than the next person. Right. So that's nobody else's fault. Yeah, that's you can't sit here and be a part of this sick, horrible community that hates women uh because you're awkward and uncomfortable in trying to develop relationships. That's nobody's fault but yours. Figure your shit out.

SPEAKER_02 56:26

I mean, just this was am I nailing it here? I think I am. I just I feel like that's the the the when it boils down to every damn thing, what comes out in the wash is really about a power struggle between him and his sexuality and rejection. He's not able to physically and mentally deal with this.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

And I've also had to have, because I have all boys, I've also had to have the conversations with them where like, listen, I appreciate you respecting and trying to be the better person in your relationship with a female, but you can't let them also run you over and treat you like crowd, like it goes both ways. Yeah, you know what I mean? And it's a hard thing to do because I want them to respect and be wonderful to their partners.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

We've watched two of our kids get ran over already. Yeah. So it's like because though, Lindsay, we have instilled the respect dominantly because we don't want them to get into some kind of situation like this. I mean, not that we would we didn't never see any signs between all of our boys yet, but and and I would they would have to. Lots of talks have been had. Yeah, so many.

SPEAKER_00 57:40

And there will be many more in the future. Like, if I see anything sideways, we're gonna have a back porch talk, or we're gonna have a living room talk.

SPEAKER_02 57:49

Like you're like, Parents there's a balanced communication out there that we're we're constantly having in all the stages of their life.

Memorials Sources And Final Thoughts

SPEAKER_00 57:55

And we're not better than anybody, but like true crime has really opened my eyes to sometimes you just don't know what's going on in anybody's head, or not sometimes, like 90% of the time. So if you see any signs or if you see anything crazy, talk about it. Now, a memorial garden has been made in honor of the victims called the Vandal Healing Garden, because, like I said, their mascot is the Vandals, and scholarships have been made in the names of Xana, Ethan, and Maddie. So, sources that I used, um, I listened to the audiobook The Idaho 4, an American Tragedy, and watched the documentary series called One Night in Idaho: The College Murders, and that is on Amazon. Um, I encourage our listeners, if you want to know more about this case, if anybody's on the fence, because there are a lot of people out there who do not think that Brian did this.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

How do you not see it? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

And his father, his family has not even come to terms with that, as far as both of these sources say.

SPEAKER_02 59:06

Come on, dude. The thing, the scabber that held the knife.

SPEAKER_00 59:09

You don't want to ever think that your kid done something like this for, I mean, literally no reason.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

You know what I mean? Right. But at the same time, his parents have to be like, we have to live the rest of our lives knowing that our son did what he did. I mean, I how could you not? How could you not be like, I have to solidify everything, all the choices I made, also they have a lot of regret, right?

SPEAKER_00 59:36

And his friend's family that he stole from should have reported that.

SPEAKER_02 59:41

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

It sucks. Yes, you're probably going to point friendships, but you have to make it known that you know that this kid is sitting in the fucking trees and waiting for you to leave to rob your house. I think one of the coin collections was like worth like 32 grand. And I'm sure he didn't get nowhere near that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

That was your turning point. Number one, you're not ready for a society. You're not ready, dude. You're on drugs, you don't have your shit together, you're smart enough. You're genius enough to talk to be going to get a doctorate in a channel. And that's what he did, right? I'm thinking that he did that. Lindsay, the sheer awareness of what you did right here. I hate it. I hate that there's a fucking group of people. What'd you what'd you call this now? Incels. Incels.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:39

They are. Oh, wait, so the applause finishes. No, I'm moving it now. I'm moving it. So they are involuntary celibates who literally just hate mostly women, uh, because they're too awkward to talk to them, and they hate them because a person in this group of people that they hate has rejected them at some point.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:04

How many situations in a private setting have you met humans like this? How many? And you if those socially awkward type people reading about this making. They'll show up in a group of people and they're dominating. I'm doing it right now and I'm not trying to be like this.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:22

Oh, I know. I know what you mean. You're trying to get your words out.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

Yeah, your thoughts. I have to. Um I've been in these little groups and in social situations, right? I mean, we're, you know, you kind of bullshitting got three or four or five people, and there's somebody plugged into the middle of this that has that domineering fucking taking over any situation and looking, and you can clearly see some kind of weird vibe. And especially when it comes to like a female speaking, they're over the top whenever they're trying to speak, like they dominate that situation. I've seen this. Have you seen this yourself?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:56

Oh, yeah. Well, I this whole scenario made me sit back and think about how lucky I am that nobody I rejected has ever come after me. Because even just in simple passing and be like, no, thank you, or you know, I have a boyfriend, or I have a husband, that might not have been good enough for that person, you know. Or because I mean, I've rejected at least a handful of people, maybe two. Um, and and it's not because it was anything against them personally, I was just not, I was either in a relationship or just not interested in being one. You know what I mean? I rejected people when I was a single mom and just didn't want to fucking deal with a man.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:49

You're allowed to have natural.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:50

You're allowed to have attractions and unattractions, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

You're allowed to have that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:53

You are allowed to reject people. And the fact that this motherfucker killed four people because one rejected him because she had a boyfriend. And this guy was just not her type. You're allowed to do that without explanation, without any reason at all. You're just about to do it. Any further fucking conversation. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:22

No, I'm good. Period. I'm good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:25

Without having to worry about somebody like this stalking your home and murdering you. Yeah. It's terrifying.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

The sheer awareness right now. Thank you, Lindsay. I mean, you destroyed me. Oh man, get it fucking gather, dude. Learn your fucking delivery when you're trying to have some kind of attraction, you know? Because have a better delivery. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:52

If I haven't said it enough, he didn't just take four lives, he destroyed many, many more. There are two survivors that lived in that house that literally have to live in private because of this one fucker. There, they do not, they're not in the public at all. There are more that had death threats and their lives destroyed. Hunter Chapin, Ethan's brother, one of the triplets, when he went back to school the next semester, he had to open his window. Or not had to, but it when he would open his blinds, he would see the house from a distance that his brother was senselessly murdered in.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:42

Slaughtered in, yeah. Slaughtered. That nine-inch K-bar, though, so fucking scared of it. I'm like scared. I want to buy one and just set it somewhere and look at it and be like, this motherfucker right here is the most destructing fucking thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:59

That I mean don't bring a K-bar knife in this house.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:02

Well, yeah, I don't really know. I'm fucking scared.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:04

I'm gonna just because you and Landon, y'all like your weapons as a collection type aspect. You don't want to use them.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:12

You like put holes in paper.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:13

Yeah. Like Landon just likes buying knives and sharpening them and cutting paper. That's like literally all you can do.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:19

K-bar is horrific, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:20

Don't bring a K-bar in the house.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:22

I had a Rambo knife as young teenager.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:25

That's that's the Rambo knife, is the K-bar? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

Well, mine was the Rambo survival type with a compass and the bullshit on the back of it, but it was still a K-bar on the front. Uh, don't have it anymore. I don't, I mean, I was like, I'm trying to overcome the the thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:38

Nobody needs a K-bar knife.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:39

This is all the serrations on the back and the You're not living in the jungle somewhere trying to survive.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

I'm scared of it, but at the same time, I'm only scared of it because of these stories. Yeah. You know?

Palate Cleanser Band Feature

SPEAKER_00 1:05:51

You fucking killed me. Can I play music with you? Please, please cleanse my palate. What amazing band do you have in store for us? Because I know it's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

Something over here, Lindsay. We're gonna we're gonna do some grooving over here to double O. Double O. Yeah. Check it out. This is Lose Control featuring Tommy Peanuts by Double O. You're gonna love it, Lindsay. Here we go.

unknown 1:06:42

Stephen gets ready to play game. Don't check in the middle free train. Take me with the fix and ever say I get over the fence with the next pain. Don't get into breakfast. I'll make the work.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:43

If it's got to go, I've taken a break up. Take control, never take my soul. Never take it, never make this fold. I break this low. So I never take it slow. Niggas on the water that I'll make this blow. No, don't ever play me, bro. Take away the things that I'll make them grow. No, no, time they go. So why put this in why put this in mind you feed it? And I might cut out as we proceed it. Oh no, I find it right to find a feeding. When it kind of Till I stop thinking I'm dreaming, that it tells them each point, don't know the meaning. I'm off the coach, I've a side feed. What they gotta room to make a shine white, what they gonna do, try hide it, get what they go to. When I want to take a mind like go, I've got the bottom, and see, Lansay, Lansay.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:34

That good hook with that back fucking side just groove. Dude, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:38

The kind of like that's the kind of rap that I enjoy a lot. That's got like that's why I love Outcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:46

Just it was funky, and I love groovy. It was it was every part of good hip-hop that you can bring to a whole fucking podcast here. Listen, thank you guys so much for letting us play you.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:57

Now, Jesse uh played them from YouTube, they are not on a Spotify. I did not find them on Spotify.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:06

D-U-B-B-U-L-O.

Incel Definition And Where To Follow

SPEAKER_00 1:10:08

Yes, and then on Instagram, they are D-U-B-B-U-L underscore O. And yeah, and they're promoting standout. Now I just want to uh really quick, just in case I did not describe an incel good enough, I looked up um the full definition. Oh, yeah. So, like I said, it's an involuntary semi uh celibate. Uh this is a community that is online, and uh their structure is predominantly heterosexual men who express extreme frustration, misogyny, and entitlement, blaming women for their lack of sexual or romantic relationships. Fucking meld it. And uh they are centered on, but not limited to platforms like Reddit. Brian was on Reddit a lot, um, 4chan and specialized forums, and this group often promotes violent uh rhetoric, radicalization, and what's called black pilled, nihilistic world view.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:16

They're centered on being self-fucking sick.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:19

Shut this shit down.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

Yeah. They shouldn't let that actually be on any fucking platform.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:25

Well, unfortunately, we can't cap any of that shit anymore. Um fuck that shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:29

Fucking shut it down, dude. Flash it put them on a different fucking spectrum. That way they know they're fucking being shitty.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:36

I've been sick to my stomach all week over this. So uh make sure you follow us on Instagram at drinkabout something on like I just said it, Instagram. So we share the episode, pictures relating to the stories and the bands and their links. And then we are also on where it's our main website, drinkabout something.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:03

You can follow our socials. You can fucking do all the links, and you can find us on YouTube if you just type in Gen Z, J-E-N-D, S-C-Y. And we're gonna party party and have fun with you in a fucking structured way that is not horrifically toxic. These kids needed more knowledge before they were set off.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:23

But at the same time, they weren't ready for this caliber.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:26

No, well, awareness play them this fucking podcast before you send them off to college. Jesus. And watch the handmaid's tale and now the testament. Yes. Lindsay, we're gonna keep on cracking, though. I gotta get off here. We love you so much. Yes, and I want to go and say, Can this my turn? Can I have it? We love you so much, Mike.