Rerelease Intro And Where To Find Us

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Hey Jesse.

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Hello, Lindsay.

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And welcome, listeners. So this is the re-release of our part two of the West Memphis 3 case. A case that is very near and dear to my heart. So much so that we wanted to re-release it while we're on a break.

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Oh my goodness, dude. Have you checked out the first one? If you have, thank you so much.

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Well listen to it the first time.

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Yeah. Go back if you haven't. Because we're on part two. Was shocked on part one. It was really wow. And now we're on part two. Still looking for justice. Still, and we'll always look for justice while we're resharing this one.

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Yeah.

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If this is your first time, once again, welcome. And uh we're so happy that you're here. Especially listening to this case, that is very special to me. And I'm very proud of the coverage that I did on it. The research. We're horrifically happy to get to make sure you guys stay till the very end and listen to these iconic bands that we have permission to play. We have the we have the okay to do it. We're re-chairing the bands. Yeah.

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Along with the podcast, which is so exciting. Yeah, to redo all the doings. So check it out. And uh we hope you have happy travels and all the good stuff along your journey through.

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And send us all the good vibes for our uh our camping and listening adventure rock though for our 11th year, Jesse. Oh my god.

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So we're doing the things we're camping on turn four right now. So we're doing bog in. Bog down. Yeah, so yeah, safe travels through all of your adventures through True Crime, and thank you guys for actually tuning into our platform and sharing and liking, subscribing, and doing all the cool stuff.

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And if you know what bog down is from, hit us up when they send us some merge.

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Oh really? You're putting that on us. Let's do that on it. Let's do it, bog down. Blogging. Have we go on?

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Bloody bummy.

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This is just and boy, do we have something to drink about?

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And this Lindsay is killing it. Like this is it. I am setting back right now and I'm like, holy shit, like this is it's gonna be it's gonna be good, guys. This is this. This is this is this. This, this, this. She was like, you didn't talk a lot that last one. I was like, I was kind of letting you roll because like I'm just like, what the hell's going on here?

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And um we're gonna get more into it today with part two of West Memphis Three. Yes.

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Time to take a trip on the West Memphis Three.

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Go to Memphis, cross the bridge, and then you're in West Memphis in the Arkansas.

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Arkansas. In the pit of the Bible Belt.

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Oh pit. 1993, too, boy.

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So I mean, I left it like I was like, they're railroading.

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How old were we in 1993? We were I was 11, you were 12. Okay, so we weren't quite in the teenage years, but guess what? Nirvana was on the scene. That's where I was at, and to me.

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That Nirvana, if you were if you're on, that was a trick.

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We are grunge kids. I loved Weezer.

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I loved Weezer.

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Oh yeah. Offspring.

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Yeah.

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What was my other go-to back then when I was 11? Hootie.

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You're a Hoot fan? No, I mean, I'm not down at all.

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No, because me and you have jammed the fuck out to some hootie. So shut up.

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Every single song.

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I only want to be with your hero.

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Quiet now when not to play that.

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I need your tool promised.

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But like there's nothing I can do. There's nothing you can do. And it's all in your head all day long. So thank you guys so much for.

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Oh God, don't do it. Let the tears fall down. Larry. Hey, they might during this episode. They may.

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You were really in shape. It's hard.

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I'm glad we didn't record this last week because, you know, that PMS was kicking, and I would have lost my shit.

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You would have probably kicked my ass just for feeling bad about what's going on here. Thank you guys so much for tuning in, though, and uh for following. Like, this is an amazing journey.

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Yes, we're having fun talking about horrible shit.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

Yeah. You know what's really cool? Like, if I if I do like these different little stupid voices, like I try to do all these, you know, goofy banter things or whatever. Like, it adds like another person to the podcast whenever it edits, you know, because that I'm too lazy and I do like the auto-edit thing. So it's like podcaster one, two, three, Brian Adams. Four.

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Brian Adams was a go-to. He had that song that came out right around that time. Um, what was it called? To love a woman, I think.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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To really love.

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Yes. Wasn't he like um that was a cool video, too.

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It had all the chicks and masks and stuff.

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I remember he was a little heart throb right there, yeah.

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Now let me tell y'all, I was not allowed to experience this shit at home. I was only like that. My friends brought me, uh brought me into the secular music world. So that's where I wouldn't have known shit.

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That's the Princess Bride nut that we really love, too, right? He was all on Princess Bride. What was on Princess Bride? Who was the band on it?

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First of all, you're thinking of Robin Hood and Brian Adams was on Robin.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Who was on Princess Bride, though? Wasn't there a ban on Princess Bride?

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I don't remember right now.

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Oh, we'll look it up. I don't I don't remember. I could have sworn it was him, though.

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I don't remember.

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No, that was like five years before that song came out. At least. When did Princess Bride come out? I don't know. We're getting off into tangents, but now I gotta Google it. Y'all gotta hang out with me for the goo.

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As you wish. All right, so it's fucking conceivable. I will. I'm stirring shit.

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Okay, so Princess Bride came out in 1987.

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There was a song on it. Oh my gosh. Hold on. I done went out. Oh, thank you, uh, technology. Princess Bride is uh soundtrack. I guess that'd be Gen X. Thank you, Gen X, for bringing us this technology. Us millennials just we like to prove everybody wrong or uh find out all the facts on things.

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No, it was all all I remembered is being like harpy mandolin music.

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Really? Yeah. I guess I need to revisit. It hasn't been more than two months since we watched this.

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Actually, I don't remember watching it at all this year.

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We haven't watched it.

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No, we gotta close the year out.

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Oh, hey, loving the weather right now.

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Yes. It's wet a weather.

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Loving it.

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Okay, that's the last time I'll say that.

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So hey, we're gonna strap.

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We get excited in Florida though when it gets cold.

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Oh, it's like if it gets 50 degrees, follow that you play. We're full on winter time here. We're just like, holy shit, it's gonna snow.

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And you know, I have already seen the same motherfuckers that complain about the heat on Facebook. They complain about the cold. As soon as it drops. I'm like, um what you need to live on a different plant. Yeah, you need to live in a different state, I guess. I don't know.

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Stay inside. We don't want you outside.

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Go down to the Caribbean where it's like hot all year round. Yeah.

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No, I think it's funny. Like, you know, I've yeah, people they're just not comfortable sometimes. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm the same way though, sometimes. I'm never comfortable. So um, yeah, fire this thing off. We've really I I'm excited. Like, I don't want to bullshit anymore. I'm tired of bullshitting. Just go. All right, just go. No, no, no. So I'm just I'm really saying it, like, just go.

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So Okay, go.

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Are you sure? No, uh just yeah, just go, just go. Good.

Recap And Who Is Jesse

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So last week we left off with Damian Eccles, Jason Baldwin, and Jas Jesse Miss Kelly. Your namesake spelled differently. Jesse Miss Kelly have been arrested for the murders of Stevie Branch, Christopher Hobbs, and Michael Moore because of the confession of Jesse Miss Kelly. So who is Jesse Miss Kelly? So Jesse lived in the same trailer park as Damien and Jason, but Damien had only hung out with him once, and it was only because he was looking for Jason, and his mom told him that he was hanging out at Jesse's house. So Jesse was born July 10th, 1975. So he was 17 around the time of the murders, and uh he was still a minor. Keep that in mind, okay. Jesse was a little guy, like 5'1, around 100 pounds, but he was a fighter. He had uh a tattoo of the word bitch, nobody knows why. And his mother had abandoned him at a young age, but he adored his father, loved his dad. I mean, just loved him, even though his dad was abusive and an alcoholic. So Jesse has an IQ of 72 making him borderline mentally challenged.

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Most of us Jesse's do.

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Well, no, d you I love you, but do not do not fuck about fuck around about Jesse Ms. Kelly. I was just going by my name. I know. I feel like we're on the same level here. Oh well, fight you. No, I'm just kidding. No, he does he grips he grips I can't play with it. She has so much invested in these. He grips my heart in this episode.

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I feel it like part of the whole uh railroading thing that might be happening here. So I get you.

Vicky Hutchinson And The Setup

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So at seven years old, he still couldn't say his ABCs or count past 15. Oh. At 11, he had only made it to third grade. So, why did he confess to the police that Jason and Damien had committed the murders? Well, first, I have to go back just a little bit and tell you about Vicky Hutchinson. Vicki Hutchinson was a 32-year-old waitress and lived in the same trailer park near Jesse. She was new to the area, and around the time of the murder, she was brought being brought up on fraud charges. So she went down to the station on May 6th, and the murders were on May 5th. She went down on May 6th to be questioned about the charges brought up on her and brought her eight-year-old son along with her, whose name was Aaron. Detective Don Bray was giving Vicky a polygraph to determine whether or not she had stolen from her employer. And Aaron was too much of a distraction and he could not administer the polygraph because Aaron had a lot to say. So Aaron was a playmate of the victims.

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That's what I was fixing to say. I figured they're the same ages.

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Aaron was a playmate of the victims and said that the boys had been murdered at the playhouse, which he said was near where their bodies had been discovered. So Bray asked for further details. Aaron said that the boys had been killed by Satanists who spoke Spanish. His further statements proved to be inconsistent and there was no playhouse. But that did not stop the police officer from leaking this information to the press. Making the people believe even more that this was part of a satanic ritual. For some reason, the police still decided to use Vicky as an informant and devised a plan. So Vicky knew Jesse, and for some reason she had Jesse babysit Aaron from time to time. And I other children. I think there was a couple other kids involved, but those details were a little weird. I didn't some people would just say Aaron, and then some say children, that he babysat her children. So I'm not sure if she had more than just Aaron.

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She's trying to do her, she's trying to get out her own.

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I know, but like I said, Jesse Miss Kelly had an IQ of 72.

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Right.

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And, you know, he was a little guy. But at the same time, you gotta remember, simple-minded people actually connect with children more. But then that wears off after a little bit. Yeah. So I don't know. That was kind of weird to me. But you know, this was But his persona looked like I said, this was a whole nother, a whole different world than what we understand.

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Right. I mean, grown man, but kid.

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So, like I said, he babysat Aaron from time to time and would stay overnight on occasion. And since Jesse knew Jason and Jason was best friends with Damien, they used Jesse as a ploy. Vicky told Jesse that she wanted to meet Damien and to have him come over. Jesse didn't understand why, but he agreed to it. So the police set up microphones in Vicki's house and set up books about the occult and witchcraft around her house so that Damien would feel more quote unquote comfortable. Now I forgot to mention that there was a large reward, somewhere between$25,000 and$35,000 for any information on this case. And that was life-changing for these people.

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Horrible.

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That was a life-changing amount of money.

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I mean, the whole thing is just it's a mess.

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So this actually ended up being about a 15-minute meeting that was recorded. Damien said nothing incriminating, and the police ended up saying that the recording was inaudible. But Vicky said that it was indeed audible. But of course, this recording just got lost.

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Oh, of course.

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So Vicky tells police that she and Damien start an eight-day affair, and that she's 32. He's 18, freshly 18. So she tells police that they start an eight-day affair, an eight-day affair, and she, Damien, Jesse, and Jason all go to a witch's meeting in Turrill, Arkansas, which she called an a spot. I don't know how they came up with the word a spot because I have looked online and could not find anything on a witch's a spot. Um, that's just a term that I heard on the documentaries and in some of the other podcasters. So I tried to look it up, couldn't find it. So that sounds like a word that was planted to me. It sounds like a word that was just planted in her brain.

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Like they didn't really know.

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This woman, if you see her on the documentaries, you can look right at her until she don't know what in a spot is.

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Right. I don't know what the hell that is, but like I don't know if they just call it that, some something like that up in that area or something.

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She said that Damien drove in a red Ford escort and there was a huge orgy in the woods. Everybody was naked and painted black. We it's always an orgy every time. So she says that she was so disgusted because she was such a good Christian woman and wanted to leave, and said Damien, her, and Jason left, but Jesse stayed behind for the witch's orgy. She will later testify this under oath in court, and it is used as evidence. Damien did not drive. He did not know how. And he didn't have a Ford Escort, he didn't have a license, and nobody in his family or any of Jason's families or Jesse's families have this car.

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It's like the most common car model of that time to me.

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Exactly. I mean, like I said, I had a Mercury tracer, which was the Mercury version of the Ford Escort. It's a great little car.

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So if you've seen that going by, you'd be like, oh, that's an escort for sure. Right.

The Interrogation And The Tape

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Yeah, it looked just like so. Vicki will later say that this entire story was false and fabricated by police and Jerry Driver, who had threatened to take her child away if she did not participate, participate, and testify. But it would be too late when she recants her story. So and Aaron would later say that he was lying because police told him to. So this is where the questioning of Jesse comes into play. Vicky plays him at the witch's orgie, and then he denies all of this, of course. But the police have Vicky asked Jesse to spend the night because she was scared of a prowler in the neighborhood. And so he agrees, sleeping on her couch with a gun under his pillow to protect her and her child.

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Wow.

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This will be this is the last night that this boy spends as a free man for the next 19 years. Okay. Yeah. So then and and he Vicky was his friend. Vicky was his friend. He trusted her, had no idea what was going on. None. So the next morning on June 3rd, 1993, at 9 a.m., detectives come to her trailer and asked to speak with Jesse down at the station. His dad was there, so he felt safe and agreed, but had no idea what was going on. They get his dad to get uh to give permission to talk to him because he was still a minor, but he had no clue what they were there for. So they tell him that there's a$35,000 reward. They tell Jesse this for information. And if he could provide it, his family would get that money. Jesse says they tell him that if he knew anything, his dad could buy him a new truck.

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Or an escort.

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He told them what he knew from the rumors and that he had saw some kids playing around the area that day. But that was it. Then they polygraph the 17-year-old with an IQ of 72, still had the mind of pretty much a nine-year-old that polygraphs could read his mind.

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And he, of course, believed it. We all believed it 100%.

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So Gary Gitchell uh led the questioning that followed. He asked him why he knew so much about the murders if he didn't do it. Jesse says he was just repeating things that he had heard. Then he said they kept hollering at him. They kept telling him that he knew he they knew he had something to do with it because other people told them. He said he pretty much repeated what they told him because he started to get scared and just wanted to go home. Like when he asked if the boys, when Gary Gitchell would ask if the boys were tied with, or what the boys were tied up with, he would say rope. And they said, God damn it, Jesse, they were tied up with their shoestrings. Like just yelling at him, you know?

SPEAKER_00 19:49

Right, like they just railroading it. I'm sorry.

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I keep saying that word, but it is, it is, it's complete. He said they would yell at him over and over until he would repeat the story exactly as they had told it to him. He kept telling him over and over that he could go home if he just cooperated. They showed him pictures of the victims from the crime scene, which is absolutely horrific. Horrific. It's three naked boys hogtied. So and after showing him photos, they also played a creepy audio, disemboweled, disembodied voice of Aaron Hutchinson saying, Nobody knows what happened but me. He didn't know whose voice it was at all until way later. It was just this creepy kid, you know, or creepy sounding kid that haunted him. Nobody knows. Oh God. After an 11 to 12 hour interrogation happened, only 45 minutes was recorded. What? That's it. 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Those are the best minutes, though, right? Oh yeah. Just 45 of the last fucking minutes that the last minutes.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

Yeah. On the recording, he would say things like, Yeah, I saw Damien and Jason screwing them. And then I left. And then they would place him back there. Then he would say, Yeah, I saw him tying him up. Then I left. They would place him back there again.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Better edited than what this podcast is.

SPEAKER_04 21:24

He takes him, and this was in '93. Yeah. He takes himself out of the situation like seven or eight times. And they continue to put him back in it. He got the times wrong. First, he said it was at 9 a.m. And that wasn't true because all three boys and Jason were in school. Then he said, Well, they skipped school. No? Also incorrect. Then he changed it to noon. And finally, after a while, he said around 7 p.m. I listened to this interrogation and it's insane. Okay, so this interrogation was obviously leading, but a horror. Horribly damning to all three of them. And what fucked Jesse Miss Kelly was he was led to say that he ran down one of the boys and caught him and brought him back. He was led to say that. He had already taken himself out of the situation several times before he says. So this is an example of how simple-minded Jesse was. He did not know what a lawyer was. He just thought it was another type of police officer. He didn't know who the president was, which was Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton had been governor of his state.

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He didn't know.

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He didn't know. I was 11 in 1993, and I know I knew exactly who Bill Clinton was. Right there. So Jesse, after the interrogation, he was put in a holding cell, not knowing that he was actually being implicated by his own words, and he thought he was just waiting for his dad to pick him up.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

So what I'm gathering, he's more like a six-year-old.

SPEAKER_04 23:06

Yes. Yeah. He's so confused.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:09

I on the documentaries, that's just all you that's all you see in his face is utter confusion. And it just, oh, it made me it it made me cry so much.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

I think, and and what I said in the last podcast, I've caught a little glimpse of this, and I'm not supposed to. I'm not supposed to know about these. I think I remember this guy. I think I remember seeing him in court. He was the smaller one. I wonder why I can't recall it. I was probably drinking too much. So what are you guys thinking so far? Like, this is crazy. This is a lot. And it's scattered everywhere. Like I'm looking at her notes right now. Scattered everywhere. It's insane. She is just going off about this.

Jesse’s Trial And Expert Blocked

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So after this confession, prosecutor John Fogelman went before the judge and asked for a warrant to arrest Damien and Jason. All right, so now we're gonna get into the trials. Oh there we go. So on June 7th, 1993, all boys were given public defenders because, of course, they couldn't afford attorneys. So Jason got, or they couldn't afford, you know, hired.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Yeah, all the rings were already right, exactly.

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That money was just wasted. Thank you. Come again. So Jason got Paul Ford and Robin Wadley. Damien got Val Price, and I got the second lawyer's name wrong, so I don't remember. I'm sorry. And Jesse got Dan Stidham and Greg Crow. Dan Stidham is an absolute angel and stays with him for many, many years. Dan Stidham is the lawyer.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Jerry was a race car driver comeback. Yeah, I'm yeah, he's coming back. Here comes Jerry.

SPEAKER_04 24:51

I found out.

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I found out.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

Okay, so Jesse would be tried first and separate from Damien and Jason. Damien and Jason would be tried together. And by the way, Jason was only questioned initially because he hung out with Damien. Damien was basically the star of the narrative. So Jason literally was guilty by association. Oh.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:12

Now, meanwhile, Joe Berlinger and Bruce Sinovsky had heard this story and wanted to make a documentary about three teenage satanic murders, but soon found out there is so much more.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

And that is the directors of the Paradise Lost, the three films. It's on HBO Max. Absolutely watch them.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

Yeah, what sucks about all this is like there's probably years of propaganda that went behind this before we started getting into the old Goog, you know? Oh, Google starts showing so much more. Like honestly, like all this information probably just came out within the last 10 years. And so everybody kept believing that. Whatever it was, whatever it became, the rest. I mean, they might know in that local community what really went down for sure. But like the rest of us that got all caught wind of all that was in panic satanically.

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Yes. It was it was a time. It was a time. So Gary Gitchell immediately contacted the press for a conference to let every no everyone know that they had the suspects in custody. And when asked on a scale of one to ten how confident he was, he said, Hello. So all three pled not guilty, by the way, of course. And these trials are recorded in the documentaries Paradise Lost, which I just mentioned. Um and like it was one of the first court-recorded trials. Okay, so like video recorded trials, excuse me. Yeah. Okay. Open, yeah. Wow. So all the prosecution had on them was pretty much the false confession and Vicky Hutchinson and Aaron Hutchinson statements. Aaron was still telling the police all kinds of tales. He ended up saying that he witnessed satanic rituals involving the three, and also said that the three uh committed the actual murder, and they were all wearing matching black shirts with dragons on them. Yes. Matching twinsies. So fucked up. And this was used as real evidence. But they didn't use him as a witness in the stand because he actually placed himself in the murders, saying a black man held a gun to his head and ordered him to dismember one of the boys. And of course, this didn't fit the narrative.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Oh God, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:41

Yeah. Dan Siddham went into this thinking that Jesse was guilty and that he was just there to work on getting a plea deal for him. But after reading the insane confession and spending more time with Jesse, he quickly changed his mind. And his work was cut out for him. He would ask Jesse several times to repeat the story, and it would change every time.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

How would you like to be a public defender in this situation? This is what I've aspired to do over here in Arkansas.

SPEAKER_04 28:11

So now this part makes me a little emotional. So one of the times that he would visit to work on the case, Jesse asked him, Who is Satin? And Dan was like, What? Like the material? Oh and Jesse showed him a pamphlet a preacher had given him on the warnings of the dangers of Satan. Oh my gosh. And he was on trial for a satanic murder and didn't know who Satan was.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

The whole time. He just thought they were saying Satin like this was part of some sex, something or other. I don't know. Hey, I would misread that though. I'd misspell it for sure.

SPEAKER_04 28:51

So David Burnett was the judge, and John Fogelman was the prosecutor for all trials. Judge Burnett said no psychologist had any place in a courtroom. No psychologist. What? No psychiatrist, no psychologist.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Oh, you can't have those.

SPEAKER_04 29:06

And that would have been a big help for a kid with an IQ of 72 and had a false confession. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

You know? Yeah, because he can quickly look at this guy, you know, young man that's in the mind of about a six-year-old.

SPEAKER_04 29:20

Yeah, Judge Burnett, Judge Burnett went into this completely convinced that all three of them were satanic killers and needed to be behind bars. And the thing is And judges are supposed to be impartial. Yeah. Completely impartial.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

Yeah, they were very partial, it seems like.

SPEAKER_04 29:35

Oh, it's insane.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

So I mean, I don't recall the videos or anything or seeing him, Jesse, and you didn't make it to the trials. Yeah. But just sleep and the experience before. When we watched the documentary. My mom and two sisters, both of my my mom and sisters, they worked in an area kind of like this, I feel like. But I get the whole six-year-old type mentality. And that's probably where we'll be at. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 30:01

Well, I mean, they said, you know, nine to eleven at best, but he was 17 at this point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

But no, I I think he's a little, yeah, a little younger. I'll give him I'll I'll give him eight.

SPEAKER_04 30:12

So there was no real evidence against any of them other than the confession, quote unquote.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Forced confession. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:20

The medical examiner on this case said that the wounds on the victims looked to be caused by a serrated knife, and they had ruled out any sexual assault. What is unique and not good about West Memphis medical examiner is that it was not an impartial department. They actually worked for the prosecution. Yeah. Wow. And this medical examiner, he was not even board certified. What? Yes. He had failed the boards twice, and then just the third time, he just never got around to it. So we don't need all those credentials anymore.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Nah. Not in this courtroom, in the name of Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 30:56

So on January 26, 1994, was the beginning of Jesse's trial. Dan Siddham tried to have the confession thrown out because of its inconsistencies. But Detective Brian Ridge, who had been in the confession room, said that before the recording, Jesse talked about satanic rituals and orgies and sacrificing and eating animals. Why does it always go to this? What imagination?

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Do they have a horse?

unknown 31:24

I want to know.

SPEAKER_04 31:25

Every time. Every time in any of the satanic shit. You gotta kill a horse. It's the same shit over and over for like a 20-year span.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Grab your local Catholic church right now. We're going to get horses.

SPEAKER_04 31:38

Sacrifice a horse.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

That was nuts. Check that one out, though. That was the one that was. May Martin Preschool. Yes. Episode two. Check that out.

SPEAKER_04 31:46

They asked Brian Ridge why they showed him a picture of the victims. And Brian Ridge said it was to invoke a response because Jesse would just shut down during questioning and they needed to respond or needed him to respond, or he would just say the same things over and over, and they needed him to say something different.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

Yeah, the you better say something different. I don't like that answer. I don't like the truth. You better say something better. Something better than the truth.

SPEAKER_04 32:13

So Dan Stidham went over the confession with Gary Gitchell to point out all the inaccuracies. And Gitch Gitchell was like, Well, he told a good bit of the truth. And the rest, he just simply got confused. A psychologist who was not allowed to testify had told the defense that this crime was so clean and so hidden that it had to be committed by someone with great intelligence. And that was not the case with Jesse. This is not making fun of him. This was facts. He had an IQ of 72.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

He wouldn't run screaming away from that whole scene and told the first person he could find.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

Yes. So Dan Sinham suggested that the jury listen to an expert on how lust killers leave the crime scene. Warren D. Holmes was the defense expert on police interrogation. And he said that the types of people who false confess have low self-esteem, low IQ, and want to solve the immediate issue at hand, easily led and naive, naively assume that they can solve the problem later.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

They definitely did it. That's this is the we're telling you the truth right now.

SPEAKER_04 33:20

This all fits Jesse. It was pointed out that Jesse did not tell the story, that he was being told what to say and what to agree with. The fact that he said the kids were tied up with rope and not their own shoelaces should have been enough.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

He had known it.

SPEAKER_04 33:35

But it wasn't. Dr. Richard Ofshe was another expert for the defense, but Judge Burnett would not allow him to actually say anything about his opinion on the confession. It was a whole big back and forth thing. It gets wild in there in the courtroom. Definitely watch that on the documentary.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

I bet. Like how the hell what you're saying is completely bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

Oh God, it makes you want to put your head through the TV. Like what just I cannot believe this is happening.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

Was it like one big IQ level there through the whole thing? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 34:07

Now, during his confession, Jesse had said that the victims were violently raped, but there was no indication of rape at all. Just the mutilated genitals of CV branch. So that should have been completely shut down. Then the prosecutor brought out Vicki Hutcheson and she told her bullshit story under oath and in open court on, you know, being recorded. It's on the trial, it's on the documentaries. Yeah. Jesse's trial lasted eight days, and he was convicted of first-degree murder of Michael Moore because that was the victim that he said he had ran down and brought back to the scene in second-degree murder for the deaths of Stevie Branch and Christopher Byers. And only after one day of jury deliberation, he was sentenced to 40 years. So at this point, I'm sorry, he was sentenced to life plus 40 years. He was sentenced to life plus 40 years.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

So at this point, they know every second that happened right there already. Who did what, when they did it, how.

SPEAKER_04 35:08

Now, after he was on his way to prison, he confessed again, changing his whole story to incriminate him. All because I guess he realized at the last minute what was really going on. It's it's just so fucking sad. He was later, he was later encouraged to testify against Damien and Jason in hopes of lessening his sentence, but he did not. They even tried saying that if Jason and Damien got out, they would go after his girlfriend Susie. His father told him that if he told a lie, he would have to live with that forever. But if he told the truth, maybe one day his name would be cleared. So he did not testify against them. Okay, so on to Jason and Damien's trials. So they tried to get Jason to testify against Damien, but he flat out said no, even after promising him 10 years. And then even to get out the very next day, he refused. All I have to say in bold, bold letters. I even have typed bold letters. Bold. These boys did not understand that they would be convicted and go to prison for something they didn't do. They didn't understand how they could find how they could find something on them, even though they hadn't committed these crimes.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

That's a farce to be.

SPEAKER_04 36:46

And he believed in God. You know?

SPEAKER_00 36:49

We won't take any of that into account though.

SPEAKER_04 36:52

In Damien and Jesse's trials, they only, I'm sorry, in Damien and Jason's trials, they only had Jesse's confession. Some fiber evidence of some clothing that they or someone in their home might have owned. But what it really meant was they were fibers of clothing that had probably been bought all at the same store.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

Right.

SPEAKER_04 37:13

Like Jesse's mom and Damien's mom bought the same clothing from the same Walmart.

unknown 37:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:20

You know what I mean? Or clothing from the same Walmart. So that's how that works out. It was confusing to me, but that's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Walmarts. Gretchen Wilson told her to go there.

SPEAKER_04 37:32

Someone said that they had seen Damon, Damien, and Domini on a service road, but that would have put Domini on the scene and that didn't match the confession. One kid said he heard Damien confess while drunk, but when it came to put time to put him on the stand, he admitted he lied to look cool. Yeah. Then there were a few teenage girls that said they heard Damien confess at a softball game. But that was a whole he said, she said, but she told me, but Susie told her and Miranda told me. Word in type situation. I mean, it was a circus. It was a circus.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

Yeah. And they're in they're in high school too. So like there's word getting around. So yeah, there's there's somebody said something to somebody.

SPEAKER_04 38:16

And remember the medical examiner for you know that worked for the prosecution and said that they were serrated knife marks. Right. So one day, John Fogelman he had a hunch. He said that he felt like there was evidence in the lake behind Jason's house. He called the media and a diving expert. And wouldn't you know it, after 30 minutes, a diver found a knife with a serrated blade in the lake behind Jason's house. Oh, from what I gathered from the documentaries, is that everyone in this area had a fucking knife. Like the little boys, the older boys, the dads, the stepdads, everybody had everybody had a knife. But here is the kicker. Okay. Jason's mom had already said his knife was in that lake. She said she threw it out there when he was being a shitty teenager a year before the murders. Wow. And that was information they already knew.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Oh yeah.

unknown 39:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:20

So then the prosecution brought in Michael Ray Carson, who was a 16-year-old that had been in the juvenile detention center with Jason Baldwin for a brief time in August of 93 when he was being held there. He had a long list of troubles. He did a lot of acid, he huffed a lot of gas. He was he was bad off. He testifies that Jason bragged to him about the murders and told him that he sucked the blood, trigger warning, from the balls and the penis and put the balls in his mouth. Wow. Yeah. When he asked why he waited so long, or when they asked him why he waited so long to say anything, he said it was because he had seen the families on TV and he had a soft heart. But what really happened, but what really happened is he was getting a deal because of his own legal troubles. He had actually heard all of this from a counselor who was just speculating and spreading rumors.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

I mean verbatim, right?

SPEAKER_04 40:22

A counselor was bullshitting with his client. The counselor actually came forward about this encounter, and Michael later recanted his story. Brian Ridge was asked by Fogelman what kind of books Damian read. And he said that there were books by Stephen King and Anton LeVay.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_04 40:43

Yeah. Now Anton LeVay was the founder of the Church of Satan. And what did we learn? That Satanists are atheists who do not believe in the devil or God, and they're just selfish people.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Anything other than they're all about themselves. Anything other than what your denomination is, is Satanism. Yes. Back then. Right.

SPEAKER_04 41:04

Well, I'm just saying what Satanists are now. That's that they're they're atheists. Yeah. The Church of Satan are atheists.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

During the panic. So this is basically like near the end of the panic.

SPEAKER_04 41:15

Yeah, it's closed and then I mean there's still shit that goes on a little bit about that. These documentaries came out in 96 and it changed a lot of people's minds. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

It helped. It helped get away from here we go, right?

SPEAKER_04 41:34

This yeah, this is history.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

This is insane. So uh let us know what you think about all this stuff. Um, you can hit us up, like I said in the last one. Just uh just we got a website now, so it's just uh drink about something and um dot site, right?sight, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

Drinkaboutsomething.site.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

So it's easy to find. All the links are there. Um, you know, if you want to go to a different um audio player or any of that stuff, um streaming app or whatever, there's there's a bunch of them on there. And uh I'm getting on there and I'm updating as I go, trying to add more to it, trying to learn the system here. Buzz Sprout has been amazing. So if you're wanting to do a podcast, try that. Or let me know. But uh everything is just it's it's a journey, and uh, I'm glad you're here with us. Lindsay is killing it. Like, this is insane, girl. Um that's why you were so nutty. I know.

SPEAKER_04 42:32

But I mean, okay, so Stephen King brought into the got brought in.

SPEAKER_02 42:36

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 42:36

Well, I think I've read like 12 Stephen King books and watched all the movies, I think. Pretty much all of them. I mean, does that make me, you know, Satanist?

SPEAKER_00 42:49

Yeah. And worship the damn.

unknown 42:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:51

In Arkansas back in the early 90s.

Occult Expert Fuels Satanic Panic

SPEAKER_04 42:53

But this was used against him. This was completely used against him. Oh, yeah. Okay, so then the prosecution brought in Dr. Dale Griffiths, who is an expert on the occult. Jerry Driver brought him into the equation. So Jerry Driver, Driver's Driver has driven in. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 43:13

So when asked about Satanists, he said that he personally witnessed them wearing black fingernails, painting their hair black, and wearing black t-shirts, and sometimes having tattoos.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

Don't forget the trench coat.

SPEAKER_04 43:25

Yeah. Those weren't popular yet.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

Well, he was wearing one.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

Well, I mean, maybe they were. I can't remember. Nah, it was uh I thought it was a little later on in the 90s.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

98, 99.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

Well, Durand Duran. Columbine.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

You know, 99, right?

SPEAKER_04 43:38

Yeah. But Duran Duran wore them.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

They ran so far away.

SPEAKER_04 43:45

Couldn't get away. All right. So he said that the fact that the murders occurred near, just near, not on. Near the festival of Beltane, which was on May 1st, the murders were on the 5th. It was most likely satanic. Now, do you know what the festival of Eltane is?

SPEAKER_00 44:04

I do not.

SPEAKER_04 44:05

It is a Celtic festival that celebrates the start of summer.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

Summer solstice for Celtic.

SPEAKER_04 44:13

No sacrificing children. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

As long as I don't jump. As long as I don't jump off any ledges.

SPEAKER_04 44:20

So he asked if the number eight was a factor, and he said yes. That is a witch's number.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

So the victims were eight, and he said in Alistair Crowley's work, Crowley was coming somewhere in this.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Like, like I okay. So I don't know a whole lot about all this podcasting stuff, so that's one of the ones that you showed me. We were driving somewhere, I think.

SPEAKER_04 44:48

Last podcast on the left covered Aleister Crowley and it made us physically ill.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

I think everybody that does this covers some Aleister Crowley stuff.

SPEAKER_04 44:57

It made us very ill.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

Yeah. A little queasy. Yeah, hop on them and check it out too. Really quick. Yes, they're the shit. I love them.

SPEAKER_04 45:05

So he said in Aleister Crowley's work that they quote, sex before eight, or you lose the magic power. But the victims were already eight. So then he was like, Oh yeah, did I say eight? I meant nine or younger.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

So now we've changed the devil's number.

SPEAKER_04 45:21

So eight is a witch's number, is cited by the Arkansas State Supreme Court in deciding the verdict.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

Arkansas stall. How would you say that back? No.

SPEAKER_04 45:32

Arkansas. Arkansas State.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

I know I was trying to, I was trying to turn it back on.

SPEAKER_04 45:36

It really confused me. Okay. So the defense asked about Griffith's doctrine in education. He said that his PhD was from Columbia Pacific University. This is a male order college degree that he took absolutely zero classes to obtain. The college was closed by court order in 2000. Judge Burnett did not care. He said, Well, you can be an expert from just life.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

You just know. You already know.

SPEAKER_04 46:07

Damien's poem book, wardrobe, and music taste were talked about, and then his collection of animal skulls. And Jason was linked right in to everything because they were best buds. And Jason was the owner of 15 black band t-shirts along with animal claws or teeth.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

So they're like grunger metalheads, basically.

SPEAKER_04 46:31

And his collection of t-shirts.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

At the beginning of Gothic. They were gothic. Yeah, I remember Gothic. Gothic was a a thing. They like Manson and probably Hansen.

SPEAKER_04 46:43

Well, he let Metallica. They love Metallica. I'll get into that more.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

I like Manson and Hansen at the same time.

Damien Testifies And Lyrics Misread

SPEAKER_04 46:51

So the defense was utterly shocked at the allowance of this being evidence. It just blew their mind. The defense decides to put Damien on the stand, which I don't believe was a good idea because they had already decided he was guilty. Like it was, you know. But he was intelligent and articulate, and they thought it would help. Unfortunately, it did not. They asked him about Wicca, and he describes it perfectly. But then they were like, So you're a witch. And Wicca, that's it's yeah, but it's mother, it's goddesses, not mother. Yeah, it is mother, earth, and goddesses and things like that. So then they asked him about the poem book. The book, uh, what he called the book of shadows. They asked him about poems, and most of it was lyrics to Fade to Black and Justice for All by Metallica.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 47:44

Quotes from A Midsummer's Night Dream by William Shakespeare and The Twilight Zone. They were just, you know, things that he jotted down that he, you know, and he had his own poems and things like that in there too. But that's what it's like.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Is this something that he did like in the confession room? Like you were he was writing that down?

SPEAKER_04 48:01

No, this was stuff he already had in his possession. Remember when I said Jerry Driver when he was in Juvie before the before the murders, he went and searched his room while he was in the uh yeah, the psych hospital, I believe. He went and searched his room and he found that Book of Shadows in there before the murders.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 48:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

But it's just simple stuff.

SPEAKER_04 48:20

I mean, this was this was used against him before, like, before he before the murders even happened. He was already on Jerry Driver's witch list. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

The race car driver.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

Right. So he said that when he or Jason had a tape that the other one didn't have, they would copy the lyrics down for each other. They asked him about a book he had checked out in the library that was a butch of wit of witchcraft by uh written by Cotton Mathers. They asked him if he checked it out, and he said yes. And it was written by a Puritan minister during the Salem witch trials on how they would torture or lock up the accused.

SPEAKER_00 49:00

They did a good job in Salem, didn't they?

SPEAKER_04 49:04

I can't wait to do that. But they're you this they're trying to accuse him of practicing witchcraft, and this is a book that's anti-witchcraft.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

It was written by a Puritan minister. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was just burning the witches. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 49:19

He was it was like a guide on how to burn or torture a witch. Yeah. Or torture them until they admit that they were a witch.

SPEAKER_00 49:27

The whole thing you burn them, you drown them, you drown them, and burn them and cut their head off.

SPEAKER_04 49:31

Oh my god. I will cover that after the Westmottery. That's that's in the that's in the works too. I can't wait. So anyways, it was written by a Puritan uh Puritan minister in during the Salem witch trials, and then they asked him about a book of magic, which was basically just a book about the history of magic and religions, including Christianity. Like it was about all religions, everything, including Christianity. It was he was just a very intelligent kid and he wanted to know things.

SPEAKER_00 50:03

We're just talking about this today, like you know, all the Egyptians had all these rituals and they found out like the Buddha dead actually used to be the book of the life and unwritten Christianity where where Jesus rose up. He went to he went to Egypt and studied so much stuff over there. He went to like Asia, he went to a bunch of different places, but we can't talk about any of that because we don't want to disprove the whole thing.

Guilty Verdicts And Part Three Tease

SPEAKER_04 50:35

So You Are What You Think About was actually used against him by the jury. The jury deliberated for four and a half hours on Friday, March 18th, 1994. Jason and Damien were found guilty of capital murder. Jason was sentenced to life in prison, and Damien would be put to death by lethal injection. And that is where we'll pick back up for part three. Are you nauseous yet?

SPEAKER_00 51:02

Yeah, everybody's just railroaded. I keep saying that. I'm just gonna go toot the mini. Just don't do no tooteloo. Oh god. Tooteloo! They were doing some tooteloo in that. They should have called that shit tooteloo. Yes, you did talk about that just a minute ago.

SPEAKER_04 51:25

Yeah, huff and gas. So we got one more than thing round them parts.

SPEAKER_00 51:29

I guess everybody was back then. Like from like 85 to 95, there were tooteloo and especially, yeah, round them them parts. That place that first our first episode, it took place not far from there. Yeah, in the belt. So, um we got one more of these. And uh, if you guys are still with us and you're on board, uh just uh you know, send some information back on us or to us and let us know what you think about it. I can't wait for the next one. I'm having such a great time. This is kicking my ass, by the way. This drink. Yeah, I've been over here sipping, she's been gabbing the whole time. She's nowhere nearer with me. Like, I'm I'm I'm far along. Can you cheer us once again? Cheers. Drink about something. This is a lot to drink about. I've been over here like taking it in while I was waiting. I was on a drink. Yeah. Thank you guys so much though, like, for sticking with us.

SPEAKER_04 52:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 52:31

She's got one more.

SPEAKER_04 52:33

And then after that, we're gonna cover the Salem Witch trial.

Website Updates And Listener Messages

SPEAKER_00 52:36

That what's next after this whole series? After this series, yeah. We're gonna go. We're gonna go and check all that out. I don't think you've I mean, you've genuinely walked into some old history, especially in Florida, but up there's a different kind of history up there. That New England area is it vibrates to me. And you know, I talk about it a lot, but the times I've been up that area, it's it's beautiful. And there is just old history in every piece of wood, brick, and cobblestone that you come across. You know, there's just so much. And Europe's calling me because there's so much more. Anyhow, so I back when we were playing and stuff, had an email, actually it was a message on uh Facebook about a band that was coming from Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_04 53:34

Oh yeah, what band are you plugging today?

SPEAKER_00 53:37

Yeah. Yeah. So this was a while back, and I I guess they were they were coming through. Like I said, I don't really remember how we hooked up there. Probably like um female like-minded type style band or whatever. Fronted. But Squid Hammer, amazing. I wanted to plug that area.

SPEAKER_04 53:58

Uh by the Great Lakes.

SPEAKER_00 53:59

Yeah, I wanted to plug that area. I wanted to get uh some bands that I've been not we haven't played with them, but they sent uh she was uh she was just like, hey, yeah, you want to play our band? Go ahead. I got this really cool jam. Uh you can check it out.

SPEAKER_03 54:16

And I heard it. It's great.

SPEAKER_00 54:18

It's so good.

SPEAKER_03 54:19

I already followed them on everything.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

So good. The song's called hammer. And it's got some extra M's and R's in there. It's got a no no Q's, but I would have put a Q at the end of that if I'd have done it. This song is the hammer, though. It is insane. And like I said before on the last uh episode, um, we play a lot of heavy music because you know, I'm trying to put some kind of what somewhat personal stuff into it, like experiences or other bands that are just amazing. That's that's either you know, wretch out and I just uh I want to plug some cool bands, so send us some bands. We can change up genres and we can do different things at the very end of these. Lindsay's doing amazing.

SPEAKER_04 55:04

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

Yeah, she is doing amazing. She has been nervous.

SPEAKER_04 55:10

I've been so passionate about it that I just want to do it justice, you know.

Band Plug Squid Hammer

SPEAKER_00 55:13

Right. I think this is something you can just stand up on your podium and just yell it out just for days so you couldn't talk. Because I don't I don't think the end of this is gonna be well, but I don't know. I don't know. Y'all stay tuned for that. But I want to play Hammer. I really do. Uh hope you guys like it. I hope you guys like it. Thank you all. I'm excited. Lindsay uh three next week. Yeah, we'll let you go with Squid Hammer and the songs called Hammer.

SPEAKER_04 55:48

Follow us on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

Follow us on Instagram, that way we can stay in easy contact. And then uh yeah, drinkabout something. Yes is very easy. Share it too. Let's get some folks in here. I'll see you guys next Friday. So excited. Uh so Squid Hammer, here we come.

SPEAKER_02 56:06

Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

Oh my god, Squid Hammer Hammer. So the band Squid Hammer, check them out. The song hammer, check it out. Check out the bands up in that area, they're amazing, for sure. Uh, thank you guys so much. Once again, I used Groovepad for the song that we did, and audio editor of Band Lab and Bud Sprout. And we will see you guys next Friday. Y'all have a good one. Peace.