Revisit Setup And Viewing Guide

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Hey Jesse. Hello, Lindsay. And hello, listeners, and welcome to another revisits. Uh, we decided to put another past episode out on everything once again, because number one, we are really busy. Number two, this is our most listened to episode of all the episodes. So you're getting another glimpse at our number one podcast right now. Yes. That's what I'm excited about. That and number three, so we are revisiting Jenny Haynes, and she has uh our documentary about her story. We watched it on HBO Max this week. It's two episodes, and it's called We Are Jenny, and we want you guys to watch that after you listen to this pod. And then her book, The Girl in the Green Dress, is now on audiobook. So I have been listening. I have not finished it this week because it's as horrible as you think it is. It is a 17-hour long listen. Um, I'm only about four hours in. I am gonna continue to listen, but it has been rough, and because her Jenny's altars go into great detail, they they have the most impeccable memory. Like, you think my memory is good? And she can remember back to like six years old. Smells, feelings, I mean, all of it, and it I've had to stop and literally take out my headphones. So listen here, ladies and gentlemen, and people that are not sitting on a cushion, right? I really connected with this whole scenario, and I was oblivious to the beginning of this. And when Lindsay dumped this on me on last season, we did this on season one, and so we're redoing it on season two, and I feel like we should redo this on every season because of the sheer awareness. Yes, and we have met this on both sides of the

DID, MPD, And The Crime Debate

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spectrum, right? Like the the criminal side, too. Yeah, so Jenny's case is actually the first in history to be on the prosecution side. Yeah, MPD or DID. So her condition, as you will see in the episode, uh, is multiple personality disorder, which has now been renamed dissociative identity disorder. And to answer our question, after we covered uh Billy Milligan, Jenny does not approve of his scenario. Really? Right. She feels like he was faking that bullshit. I don't know if she feels like he was faking, but she does not agree with this condition being an excuse to commit crimes. Yeah, negative association where you're trying to like create other people to do something criminal. Because she, but not all of his authors were criminal at the same time. Um she feels like that what happened to her, she would never want to do to anybody else. And not that he did any it did those same things to anybody else. Oh, yes, he did, actually. I'm so sorry. So basically that's her stance on it. She does not agree with it being an excuse to commit a crime or or even a defense mechanism whatsoever when it comes to crime. So definitely subscribe to what we're doing right now and then check out Billy's. That way you get like both sides. So Billy, we just did uh three, four months ago, a few months ago. So a couple months ago. Yeah. So check out Billy Milligan's and and and tune into all this and listen to. And I do I do want to just say that I don't feel like his condition is faking, but and I do say this in the episode as well. I don't think he should have ever been released. He should always stay. That was the point I was talking about in the pod. Yeah. He should have stayed in a in psychiatric, he should have stayed under care for the rest of his life. So maybe next season what we'll do is we'll actually do like a contrast. We'll we'll put both of them together and be like, hey, this is a double podcast, which is gonna be long as shit, right? But we'll put both of them together that way you can hear the negative criminal side and then the

Drinks, Stories, And The Case Draw

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victim side. I think that would be a cool concept, right? That would be fun. But Lindsay, I was gonna ask you what you were drinking over here. I'm having a black cherry white cloud because for some reason I had like a shit ton of them stacked up in the fridge. So I'm trying to go through those. So the Bamba Lamb has just been building. Yeah. Oh for the colour. It's one of my least favorite flavors that I'll actually drink. So I kind of set them to the side. I love the black cherry, and I haven't been fucking with them because of the black. And like I said before, um, I like the white claw black cherry better than the all the Vista Bay black cherry. So yeah, but I mean, I I they are still ones that I will drink, just not the biggest fan of. So I kind of tend to drink the other ones first, and then I'm like, okay, black cherries are are left. I need to, I need to drink those up. What are you having? I'm drinking some of your number one mixer that you don't like to drink by itself. I hate that shit. The passion fruit. And uh No, that's one that I will not drink. You will not mix, you will not do nothing. I haven't found anything. Jesse's Vista Bay over here. I have not found anything that I can mix that with to make it palatable for me. But um, for later on, before the grandkids get here and we start rolling around all over the place, and I'm playing horsey. Yes. I like to get on my back and make me run around the whole house. Yes. God, don't care. Pat Paul becomes a horse. If it'd be 45, y'all leave me alone. Well, do it while you can. I know, and I do it. I do it. Damn sure do it. I'm looking forward to it. They're only little for a little while. But I'm gonna do it with the support of Knob Creek over here with a little bit of ice on it, and uh, that's how I'm gonna roll. You should have drank that Johnny Walker because you say it tastes like a saddle. It does. Oh, I'm I'm fucking super hoarse when I drink Johnny Walker red, dude. That's one of my favorite Jesse moments of all time. Like, he was like, he was telling the boys, y'all come try this. It tastes like a saddle. Them motherfuckers just had turned 21. And I was like, listen here, y'all for the man up. They had like half a sip, and they were like, nah, we're good, bro. I had done poured them a shoddy boo shoddy, and I was like, listen here, y'all got a man up. Now you're men, right? Now you're 21, right? Ra, rah, rah. And and I was like, take a sip of this, and they were just like straight to gagging. So it was crazy. And we apologize. So we had some audio issues with our last recap, and we were going to have Jesse draw um a case from my women's collection here. So he's gonna do that right here on this pre-reel to our read visit. Yes, shaking them up, shaking them up. Jesse's gonna reach and grab one, and this is gonna be our next female case that we're gonna cover. I'm ready to do this. I'm ready to do this. Here we go. All right, read it out loud. Oh, God, you want me to read things? I'm scared myself. Yeah, I can't. I just pulled out fucking Gypsy Rose. No, you didn't. Lindsay. Oh shit. Lindsay. This is gonna be the craziest thing next week. I cannot no no no. Hold on, hold on. So I have we haven't done a couples, we haven't done couples in a while. So I have a couples case I want to cover first. Oh, and then now Gypsy. No, you can't do this to this to me. I'm so sorry. You can't do this to me. Gypsy Rose in two weeks, right? Gypsy Rose in two weeks. And I'm ready for that. I am super. This has been a very controversial topic over the last couple of years. So all the way up to her release, and now we're gonna we are going to cover the case and we will give our thoughts because this is a case that we are actually both very passionate about. But we won't we won't go into any of that until the episode. Right now, though, if you're hearing gypsy rose right now, tell all your friends that we're fixing to do this shit in two weeks and bring them on in. Yeah. So we have a couple, we so revisit couples case, and then we will talk about Gypsy because that is who Jesse drew out of the bag. Yes, and Lindsay, I'm just gonna crack this bitch off, dude. I'm ready. So one more time, uh, watch Jenny's documentary. We are Jenny. Either buy her book, Girl in the Green Dress, if you are able to listen to that type of content. Yes. Um, and I like I said, I am about four hours into a 17-hour book on um on audiobook. It's rough, it's tough, but her story deserves to be heard. And I'm powering through it. I'm gonna power through it. And also her psychiatrist, Dr. Blair West, he puts notes in there and explains why her brain is so fragmented. And this, I want to say this at the top that we have learned through Jenny and Billy Milligan, these are highly intelligent people who trauma happens to, and these are the things that make their brain fragment into creating people to help cope cope with what is being done to them. And I fully understand, and Jenzi's when when I talk to Jenny, she fully understands that I understand. She is the only survivor we have talked about so far that has actually shared our content, and we have talked to her, or Jesse has talked to her, and we she owns merch from us. Lindsay, did you actually look in that documentary that we just watched to see if there was a drink about something teddy bear just hanging out in the boat? I think I think that actually was being filmed before we talked, because you know those things take time. She hit right on time. It was really cool. And I was like, dude, is she gonna we'd be wearing like a drink about something shirt or something in the middle? Her teddy bear. You guys sent her a teddy bear. Oh yeah. And now we know that she likes things like that. So yes, and the puppet. Sweep. Sweep. Oh, I should have sent her a doggy little doggy sweep this. Like, God, I was like, Yeah, I'm just so geeking right now just over watching that documentary and being able to share this again. Lindsay, let's go ahead and do this thing. I'm so ready. Yeah, so you guys, we we love you. We'll see you next week. Enjoy the revisit. Share, like, subscribe, and we love you so much. Yes, and once again, we would love to say happy Friday and check out all the stuff. Share us. We're gonna keep on cracking. Lindsay, we love you. And and thank you for letting me be here with you. Bye.

Why Dissociative Identity Disorder Is Real

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I'm gonna get started on this wild ass case. You should fire, yes. Fire, fire, fire. Lindsay, I'm excited and go ahead and fire. All right, so I don't know about you guys, and I don't know about you, Jesse, but I really love a movie or a show that portrays someone with multiple personalities. So, with being with me this long, you don't know. What do you mean? My eyes twitching. You know, that's just is is if they do it the right way, it's gonna be exciting, yeah. Well, you never watched United States of Terra, and that's what really got me on that whole fascination. Because honestly, I thought it was more and and like watching Sybil and Split and things like that. I thought it was more of a Hollywood thing, and like Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde. Yeah, I thought it was more of a Hollywood type prognosis. Oh, so you didn't really know it was like a whole thing to actually envelop all this into the idea about what really happens. Well, it like I said, I had no idea about what happens to a real person that has NPD or DID, which is dissociative identity disorder, and how their brain develops alters to deal with extensive trauma in their life. So it's actually, like I said, I've been fascinated with the concept, but the more I dug into this, like my heart hurts. So in personality, like they dissociate what they associate to as being an entity in their mind. Right. And this is I I want y'all to understand that this is not a bullshit diagnosis. They have done studies where actually a person will, when they go into an altar, there is different brain waves going on. There has been cases where one person that had DID, his like his actual person did not have diabetes, but one of his altars did. Well, have you watched anything on real court activity where you see somebody defending themselves and they're asking them questions and you see them click from different things? I have not watched that in real life. No. I I feel like we kind of watched it with Johnny Depp and Emma Heard a little bit, just saying. Well, I mean, I'm just saying, like an actual diagnosed person. Well, you know what I mean? When I was watching all that, everybody was watching that, like you would see her kind of click from this to that, and she would kind of say woman, maybe this Hollywood thing to a victim to something else. And it was just like, wait a minute, dude, she is she is doing what you're doing. Oh, well, yeah, probably. Yeah. That's just a trained actress. But if you do it so much you believe it, then there you are, right? But no, this is completely different. This is what I'm trying to tell you. There are actual studies done because people develop other people in their brains, whole ass other people take over to help them deal with the trauma in their lives. Yes. Oh. This is what we're done. This is not an actress being an act. This is I'm sorry, guys, I had to ride my bicycle a little bit faster to catch up to Lindsay because I can ride my bike with no handlebars. Oh my God. But that's what I'm saying. That there's literally been cases where somebody's that is suffering with D uh DID, their altars have had different illnesses. Full-on, genuine, complete different people. That's it. Full on everything. Their brain waves change and everything when they slip in and out. So I was thinking of just disof disassociating disorder where you're just like changing your thought waves, but you're the same person type thing. Yeah. I mean, of course, you're still the same person being here, but in their brain, it's a different person. So I'm gonna get into it. Okay. So, like I said, this is both fascinating and sad to see what our brains can do to help us deal with something awful and traumatic that has happened to us. And this is a story of a woman who went through something so horrific in her childhood that her brain would create 2,500 altars to help her survive her trauma. How in the fuck do you create 2,500 altars? I'm gonna tell you. I'm

Jenny Haynes And Years Of Abuse

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gonna tell you. So listen close. I'm not okay. So this is the story of Jenny Haynes. And in 1974, Jenny's family moved from Bexley Heath, London, to Greenacre in western Sydney. And it was here in Sydney where her father, Richard Haynes, would start to rape and torture her at just four years old. Oh my god. And it would last until she was 11. Oh my god, Lindsay. So not only was he abusing her body, but he was also brainwashing her mind, telling her that he could actually read her mind. And if she would even think about the abuse that was happening to her, he would kill her mother and her siblings. She had a brother and a sister, and of course her mother. This motherfucker here. Right. So, you know, remember when we were younger and we were like terrified about things that isn't really that relevant in real life, like falling into quicksand, the Bermuda Triangle, and spontaneous combustion. And the closet. What mirrors? You're scared about the closet and mirrors as being young. I wasn't. I fucking was if it was dark and the closets creaked open. Okay, so I did leave my closet light on. Oh, so you weren't scared. Yeah, I but you were scared. What does that mean? I'm talking about like, you know how in movies that we grew up with Lock Nas Monster fucking. Okay, okay, yes. Yeah, yes. All that yeah. But yes, I did leave my I did leave my closet light on just for light in my room because I literally grew up in a haunted house. I was going to a more personal thing. If I'm looking over and there's a door creeping up. Yeah, you're the one that's scared of mirrors. Well, I'd mention mirrors because I am creepy, dude. There's something gonna creep out on a mirror. But I'm just talking about like as a whole, our generation was scared of shit, like quicksand, the Bermuda Triangle, and spontaneous combustion because it was brought up a lot. Yeah. But we've never really seen anything like that in our lifetime. Uh apparently there were some people that had spontaneously combusted, you know, according to Incubus. There was a picture of spontaneous combustion in an encyclopedia in the Haynes home that Richard would show to Jenny, telling her that that would happen to her mother if she even thought about the abuse. This is disgusting. That her that her mom was spontaneously combustion if if she thought about what her father was doing to her. Really? He had that mind control. I got mind control over Debo. So not only was she having to suffer the abuse by the hands of her own father, she was forced into believing that even if she thought about it, her mother would combust and die. This is gonna catch fire. It's horrific. There's no safe space anywhere. And with that much abuse and what you're doing to your actual child, they're gonna believe that part. They're gonna believe it. This is you puddled me already, and I ain't even ready. Well, Jenny says that quote, my inner life was invaded by my dad. I couldn't even feel safe in my own head. I

Meet Symphony And The Main Alters

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could no longer examine what was happening to me and draw my own conclusions. So Jenny develops her first altar named Symphony. Symphony was and still is a four-year-old little girl who was at the forefront of the abuse. And then Symphony would develop other altars to take over and deal with different situations in Jenny's life. And then, yeah, we're about to get into the main ones, and those would also develop other altars. Yeah, it's insane. So these were all different people in Jenny's brain that she could see clearly and what uh they would wear, and they had their own individual personality as well. So there would be Rick, who wore huge glasses, and he looked a lot like her father. Then there was Linda, which was actually Jenny's middle name. She was tall and slim and dressed 1950s style with a pink poodle skirt and always wore her hair in an elegant bun. There was Judas, who was short with red hair, and who wore gray pants and a green jumper. And I meant to look up in Australia and in the UK, they use the word jumper, and I'm not sure what it means. I think it's sweater. Exercise suit. No, no, no, no. I think it's a sweater, but I'm not 100% sure. Little Ricky, he was eight years old, but he wore a suit. And this made me think about Silas because Silas was so into suits when he was eight years old. Like he wore a suit all the time. Yeah. And his job, little Ricky, his job would be to choose which altar would have to take over when Jenny was being abused. That was his job in Jenny's brain. I'm clouding up over here. Volcano, he was a tall, he was tall and strong with bleach blonde hair and liked to wear leather. And then there was Muscles, who was a teenager that looked a lot like Billy Idol. I'm gonna fucking cry. He liked to show off his arms and he was very calm and collected. And this is all in a little girl, little child that's being fucking horrifically uh, I don't even want to say the word. Lindsay. So Muscles was the calmest of the group. And um, but Symphony, she would sing to Jenny during her abuse and actually help her not, like this altar would help her not be able to smell her father's scent because it would gross her out so much. It was like the smell of burning plastic and the worst construction worker smell that you can imagine is what how Jenny describes it. In her head, she would recite song lyrics like, He ain't heavy, he's my brother, when she would worry about her siblings. And do you really fuck? Do you really want to hurt me? Do you really want to make me cry when thinking about her ordeal? So she would, because she was afraid to think about what was happening to her, so she would associate. Everything while it was happening and she's singing that song. Symphony, Symphony, actually, Jenny says that Symphony was the one that got the most abuse because Jenny would disappear and Symphony would take over. And Symphony would be singing, she was the muse behind all the abuse right in the middle of it. I'm only speaking now to keep from fucking crying. I know. Like I've done research on this all week and have held it together, and right now I want to sob. Yeah. Well, you know, you can look at my eyes right now. I know. Well, these would be her main altars, and each one of these altars would create other altars until she had a 2500 altar army. And she could pull those up at any time and just they would just take over. She would she wouldn't actually try to summon she because we'll get into that later. She can go within herself and try to summon that specific altar to give details about certain things that she will have to talk about later on, but we'll get there. So her father, fucking Richard Haynes, fuck you. Her father would restrict her social activities and even punished her when her swimming coach approached him about her talent. So she was a really good swimmer.

The Body Keeps The Damage

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Now, the details of the abuse are not public, but the extent of them, are you ready? Because this is gonna fuck you up. Okay. They would cause permanent damage to Jenny's body. The irreparable damage was to her eyesight, her jaw, her bowels, her anus, and her coccy. Why? She now has to use a colostomy bag. Lindsay. And is afraid to open her mouth too wide as her jaw may lock up. Michelle. And her father ruined any chance of her ever having children. Lindsay Michelle. Stop it. Fucking why? Why you got to Okay, we've done so many of these. She's a survivor. And I like my eyelashes are sticking together now because I've got grandbabies. I'm thinking about like children. I'm thinking about so many fucking things, and you're just oh my god. I'm drinking. Fuck it. I'm drinking. Lindsay. Now I am not, I do not know how. But Jenny's mother did not know of the abuse. Or maybe she was being abused herself and was made to ignore it. That's all there's not a lie. That's what I think. I mean, he has told them all that he has some kind of thing. There were two other siblings that he did not hurt at all. Jenny got all of it. Well, the family moved back to the UK in 1984, and Jenny's mother divorced her father, and the abuse stopped. But from four to eleven, that's a long ass time. Broken. 2500. Yeah. I get it now. I mean Well, okay, so I get it. My main source. Like while that's going on, you have to try to go somewhere else. I mean, to you have to. That is terrible. I mean, I listed, I don't want to repeat it. In fear, they can't get away. I don't want to cry on here. Not loud. I'm gonna ugly cry later. Swear to God. And you're wanting to make me fucking watch something later, ain't you? It's it's it's worth so. I would say my main source of reference here was from a 60 Minutes documentary, 60 Minutes Australia. And you can see her transition. And it's absolutely what y'all, when I say fascinating, that doesn't mean I like it. It's just fascinating to me how the brain works and how it can do so many incredible things to help you complete body movement, facial expression, either survive or I mean, just like like I were watching Yellow Jackets right now, and I know that's just a bullshit TV show, but I mean their brains are not working for them whatsoever in the certain situations in the woods. If you haven't watched that show, please fucking watch Yellow Jackets. It's got me in a goddamn chokehold. I am up. I was up till 3 a.m. watching that shit last night because I cannot stop. I was not. No. I was out and I uh slipped my ass off. But I get it because I'm well while I'm watching some of that, it is it is unbelievable. Well, that's just also like we when we talked about the girl in the box, that girl had to be in a padded tiny box for most of her life of seven years. Right. And and the well, that's why, and and and you know, they refer to most of that case as Stockholm Syndrome, but there has to be some alters that she created in her head to help her get through her time. Could you imagine setting for hours and hours and hours? In a box? Absolutely not. Like that one out if you hadn't seen that or that one just that was about three episodes ago. Just go back through our little catalog and definitely check out Girl and Walk. So much goddamn drama in the LBC. It's it's kind of hardband me.

Trying To Get Help After Trauma

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I can't stand this. It's fucking horrible. I gotta I gotta chuckle, but god damn it, Lindsay. Now, when Jenny got older, it was really hard for her to get any help for what was happening to her brain and for her body. Like, no, she had reached out to authority figures that just were like it was unbelievable to them. She's free, and now she is just has all of this still, and you can't get rid of it because that's your developmental area and the pain in her body, she is I want to repeat this again, irreparable damage to her eyesight, jaw, bowels, anus, and cocks. Irreparable. Now they have fun, and she could not even use her now. There are some things that they were able to fix for her to be able to live comfortably, but it's still irreparable. It won't go back to normal ever, ever. And she was robbed of her ability to ever produce a child. That's fucking awful. Livelihood gone. Womanhood gone. And this, check this out. Every happiness gone. Just you can't grow up and be a normal ass person. You don't even love your kid enough. I mean, you fucking just abuse them, and that's what's so goddamn disgusting. And this shit really happens. And Lindsay shows me, and we're fighting later, me and you. We're gonna goddamn oh man. So therapists leg wrestling, that's what we always say, right? I'm gonna lay down and leg wrestle where you you lay this way and I lay this way, and we like leg wrestle and shit. Have you done you've seen that? We're gonna boy if you don't let me finish telling the story. I just I gotta figure a way out to get you back, dude, because like I'm puddled over here. Therapists would be so overwhelmed with what she would tell them that Jenny would end up comforting them. Therapist at the end of a session, or she would be accused of lying. So she would get, I can't handle this shit, or you're a fucking liar, from everybody that she would try to talk to about her situation. And all the while, this poor woman is going on, not being able to explain what was going on in her mind, but living with the damage that was done to her body. Now, do you remember

A Detective Finally Believes Her

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what year I told you this started and when it ended? In the 80s, huh? So it started in 74. It ended in 84. She finally found a detective in 2009 named Paul Stimolis that would believe her about her condition and abuse. And along with psychiatrist Dr. George Blair West, they set out for justice for Jenny and her army. So all this time, Daddy's just separated from the family, but he's good to go. He's fucking good to go. He's doing his own thing. Well, let me get there. Let me get there. A fucking human being, a little girl, destroyed her to the point. Oh my god, Lindsay, I don't get it. Dr. George says that DID is a condition that is formed from repetitive, traumatic abuse before the age of eight, when the person realizes that no one is going to save them. Isn't that fuck? It's developmental. When they realize no one is going to save them. You're becoming a grown human being. You're developmenting your your whole presence, persona, personality, everything is happening in your brain. And now she has put all these little pockets in her brain and knows to be true. There is no thinking about it. No thinking about it. I understand now. I really do. You developed that with your growing up and your brain development. But yeah, he specifically said that it it happens before the age of eight when they realize that no one is going to save them. And that just fucking broke my heart so hard. Yeah. And I sound like a babbling idiot when I'm trying to analyze it. It's for myself. Yeah, you're trying to figure it out. This is me trying to do it. Because you didn't do the research, so you're trying to, yeah. So that's where I'm like babbling, but like that does that make sense for me saying that? I mean, I feel like you're becoming a full-grown human being, and while you're doing that, your whole mind is wrapped around this. There are 2,500 different believable personalities inside of you. And unfortunately, and this is really fucking sad. I didn't put this in my notes, but she said some of them would die off because the abuse was so fucking horrific. And that's why little Ricky, whose job it was to find which altar was gonna come in and take over, that's why he hated his job because some of those personalities would actually die off in her brain. Well, during that, they just went ahead and passed away. Yeah. Wow. So while building a case against her father, Jenny, Detective Paul, and Dr. George

Memory As Evidence In Court

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return to her home in Australia. And she you watch her transition like many times, and she goes, she relives in great detail what happened to her in each room. After watching clips of this on YouTube, it literally chills me to the bone. Like, oh so the main hurdle that they would have to cross other than the fact that this happened to Jenny decades prior was the fact that Jenny's body was the crime scene and her altars were the witnesses. Wow. For most people, when trauma happens to us, we will block it out or memories are clouded. But for Jenny, each one of her main altars would remember everything in great detail. Saturated inside of her mind. Jenny herself, like Jenny, Jenny, would have a hard time recalling. But when one of her altars would come forward, events were recalled perfectly, even decades later. So she's created a defense mechanism through her trauma. That was a good idea. Yeah, Dr. George would call her memory. Her superpower. Wow. Yeah. That was horrible. Now I have to mention also that Jenny spent 18 years earning degrees in psychology, a master's in legal study and criminal justice, and a PhD focusing on victims of crime. So her brain was working on a different level that we haven't been yet. She put in the work. Yeah. Yes. I mean, her brain's just completely that it was developing into this super brain that was we can't get there. Right. We cannot get there. Completely intelligent. So Jenny refers to Detective Paul, oh, it's so sweet too, as God on earth for believing her and for taking on her case and making her father pay for what he had done. When Paul was asked if he ever doubted her, he said he never, he did not, but he knew it was going to be a tough case to prove. Jenny would have to tell her story to the court through her altars. Paul and Dr. George prepared her for her story to not be taken seriously and the ridicule from the public as well. But Jenny was ready and she knew that this was the only way. Why are they even acting like this person that went through all this as a child is going to use this as some bullshit defense? Because people are evil. But why are they even saying that? Don't take her seriously. No, no. No, no, no. They're not saying don't take her seriously. They're preparing her for evil people out there that will not take her seriously. Exactly. And call it all the time. I'm just saying for the evil people. That's what I'm saying. Like for the evil people to Amy and just people out there that won't believe anybody's bullshit but their own. You know what I mean? There was also proof from the damage to her body because of all the major surgeries that she had had to go through to help with the issues with her bowels and her anus and her coccyx. But it would still take over 10 years of hard work to bring Richard Haynes to justice. Come on, dude. An x-ray and showing that all this was broken then. It's it takes him. Okay, so this all started to her happening to her in 74. It ends in 84. It takes her till 2009 to find her somebody to believe her. And it takes till 2017 for indictments to start. And her father was finally extradited from the UK to stand trial. And he had actually already been doing seven years in prison for a different charge that I could not find anywhere. I was trying to find what he was already in there for, but I couldn't. Yeah, if anybody knows, let us know. I mean, I want to know. So Richard, he was in his 70s during this time, and he was charged with multiple counts of rape and buggery. Because you know that's what they call it over there, sodomy. Well, he broke the fucking little child. He broke her. Well, that's not that's what sodomy is called over there is buggery. Yeah. Like it's literally court document. Yeah, we've talked about that before. Easily proven with any kind of x-ray. You can be like, well, these bones right here, they healed up about this many years ago. And you can tell by the category. Well, and also, I mean, we advanced so much in technology during this time, so it probably would have never been proven beforehand anyway. You get it together with your stuff over there and just saying So Jenny says that whichever altar could answer the questions she would be asked would be the one to come forward to answer or talk about certain details because each one remembered different time periods. And most of most of her altars stayed in that age range of whenever that abuse was happening. You know what I mean? They didn't need to be able to do that. Like Siphony forever stayed four years old. That old age, yeah. Because they were they weren't made anymore. They weren't they weren't growing with her. Right. They stopped with the other. Well, in other cases that I actually listened to, um, some of them will age with the person, but some of them will stay the age of whatever time they had to endure the abuse for the main person. Right. Well, you got to develop them as you're going, but if they don't have anything happening to the other personalities, they can't grow with you. Does that make sense? Right. Yeah.

Testifying Through Alters Before A Judge

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On January 21st, 2019, Jenny told her story to the New South Wales district court. She said Jenny walked in and then the altars would take over and tell their parts. This case was deemed too horrific to have a jury. So it was just for a judge. Preliminary, trial. Yeah, type thing. It was, yeah, it was only the judge, Jenny, her lawyer, her psychologist. It really is. So four-year-old Symphony was the first to talk and looked straight at Richard as each part of her brain revealed the horror that he had put her through, the sexual abuse, the physical abuse, and the impact that it all had on her

Guilty Plea And Impact Statement

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education. After two hours of just transitioning and transitioning, Richard finally changed his plea to guilty and admitted to his abuse. There you go, fucker. Now, even though Jenny was in her late 40s, 48 or 49, I think, she was actually still able to be unnamed as her abuse had happened to her when she was a minor. And that would also mean that her father would be unnamed. But she chose for it to all be public so that it would be known what her father had done to her when he went to prison. She said she wanted him to go away for a very long time, and she hoped that it was as uncomfortable and traumatic as her childhood was. Yeah. I hope he got fucking buggered in prison. She wrote a 17-page witness impact statement without sugarcoating anything. And over 30 of her alters made an appearance through this. The judge even asked her if she needed to take a break at one point. She refused. She said, Nope, I just want to get it done. She said Richard had called her, called her daddy's dirty little girl, a floozy, a trollop, a masochist, and would tell her that this hurts me more than it hurts you before raping and buggering her and almost killing her on occasion. She would say that he would use um Cupie dolls, which is little dolls that look are made to look like a cherub. He would use those as weapons to abuse her on her fucking birthday. And would take her glasses off during the during abuse, making her now panic and have flashbacks anytime her vision is impaired. And there's a whole nother personality she stab snapped into then, I bet. Well, Richard was sentenced to 45 years and won't be eligible for parole till long after he's dead, because he would be like 107. Yeah, fuck you, Richard. Fuck you, Richard. Jenny and her mother, who actually became her biggest supporter, like I said, they don't go a lot into her mother. So I have no idea

Sentencing And Life After Trial

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what happened to her mother and why she wasn't a safe space for Jenny before that. But I don't want a victim blame. I don't know. I don't want a victim blame. I don't know. They don't go into a lot of her mom. I could not find anything on her mom. So she's protecting her mom for some reason. Jenny is. She's very public about everything that happened to her. Fucking bomb is just the family bomb that moms pay attention to your kids. But the to me, the it's the physical damage that happened to her body that she had to live with. Like, how did you not know? She couldn't be going to the bathroom correctly. She had to be in physical pain every fucking day of her life. Yeah. And her father did this to abuse to her day after day after day for what's four to eleven, seven years. And you're not paying attention to your kid enough? There's something there. There's there's a bomb that just didn't go off. There's something. But whatever may have happened, her and her mother are on good terms and they live together, and they have both relied on welfare and disability to just to live. But I'm hoping through interviews and book deals, because she did write a book, that that status has changed so that she can enjoy the rest

Finding More Coverage And Giving Back

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of her life. Yeah, you deserve it. You deserve it, Jenny. My heart goes out to you so much. And I I do I do want it's only 40 minutes, the documentary, the 60-minute documentary. Now there is another one that I watched on a girl named I think it's pronounced Incinia. Um, it's spelled like Eucinia, but I think it's pronounced Incinia. Um, she has 11 altars. And that was a really good documentary as well. Same type of situation. Um, it's also on YouTube. Well, we'll try and find those links and put them in and put them in the show notes. I want to find a link to send her something. Yeah. Let's send her something. Let's find out where she is and we'll send her a little care package. Yeah. I would love to hear that shirt. Yes. We got merch now, so we'll just send her a DES shirt, have it mailed to her and a little care package and some cool stuff. Yeah, because there's not a lot of coverage on her case whatsoever. But when I I actually heard it covered by Red Handed and I was locked in, I had to put it on my list. And that shit has been on my mind every single day since I heard it. Most horrific thing. And this woman's still alive and having to deal with all that. But she can be herself and just not go there. But at any time she can go there. And it's so adorable how grateful she is to the two men that believe in her. And you'll see on the documentary, the detective, he literally like just doubles over because he he thinks about what he's been told. Right. And like it's it's a lot for him. So we're gonna tag her and all her stuff into this. Multiple tags and we want a connection. We want to send you some stuff. Let's do it. You're amazing, Jenny Haynes. And survivors of any kind of abuse, like my heart just goes out. Goes out. Like because I mean I'm a survivor of abuse, but nothing compared to what this woman has been through. And it humbles me, you know what I mean? Because like what I what I went through I thought was horrible, but this woman, like I have a good daddy. You know what I mean? And that's something that I will I have a great father. I could not imagine a person whose father is doing something like this to them. And then using that against you and thinking that they can kill their your mother. Thinking that if you thought about what was happening to you would kill your mother and your siblings. Yeah. And they had to believe it because they're babies. Impressionable. Like how they don't know anything else. He started telling her that at four years old, that is our baby Abel's age. You know what I mean? Yeah, our grandbaby. Okay. But I mean, that's our grandbaby, you know, one of our grandbabies' age, and to think about somebody trying to abuse him or brainwash him at that age makes him want to fight. Yeah, the only thing we can instill upon small, impressionable children is greatness and learning and being prosperous. That's the only thing. And chocolate chip waffles that they fucking love too. Chocolate chip waffles. They loved it. And we were so grandparent mode, yeah. Yes. Oh, let's give them all this. Well, listen, one of the greatest moments of my life was when my dad pulled me to the side and said, I just want you to know that I mean your mom were just watching you and Jesse with these grandbabies, and y'all are incredible grandparents. And I'm like, thank you, Dad. You know, like I didn't know what else to say, but I didn't want to fucking cry right there, but I wanted to at the same time because you aspire to be. Yes. You know, you want to level up to that to that. And you know what? It can be overwhelming, but it's still not hard. No. When they all get whiny at the same time, I lose my fucking mind a little bit. And I'm like, all right. Call me a dramatic. Yeah. But we have a great time being us and spoiling them and being good grandparents. We're here to teach, and that's our job. So we do a great job at it. But I just want to uh I thought it was funny how Amanda was like, I love how you're buying them all these chocolate chip waffles and sweet ass things and then sending them home to their parents. I'm like, well, duh, that's what grandparents are supposed to do. That's what we're supposed to do. Shit yeah. And spoil them. And you know, and we're not gonna talk shit about their parents. We're gonna pump them up while we're here, while while they're hanging out with us or whatever, make them glorified too. All the respect, all the good stuff, spoil the shit out of them, and then send them right the hell back home. That's our job. Yeah, perfect. It was a good day. So is this it? Is this the whole idea? That's the end of our story of Jenny Haynes. You have completely. I mean, I was crying. I was too. And I've researched this all week, and I didn't break down, and I don't know how because I was PMSing since like Monday. I was crying. Yeah. I couldn't even make good jokes. I couldn't. Well, sometimes it's hard. It was really tough. It's hard to make a joke through something like this. It was really tough. But we do try to make these awful cases as lighthearted as we can. The knowledge, though, that's you need, yeah. The appreciation and everything that I want to give this woman, I want to send her a little package of stuff, and and we'll get we'll get with them. And we'll see how. And I and we're like, uh I want you to, I'm gonna send it to you so you can put it in our show notes. Um, because I want y'all to watch her transition into these other different whole personalities. Because when you're gonna have mannerisms, when Symphony comes in, she's got a higher voice, she talks like a little girl. What? And then when and then when Muscles or Rick or Little Ricky, when they talk, they have more of a manly machismo type, and it's not it's not like macho ear at all, but it's just like it's different, it's different than her. Yeah, it's insane. I hate

What We Owe Survivors To Believe

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that this is a thing. I really do too. I do too. People don't hurt people. But putting this out, it can be something, you know, so if someone can awareness of awareness, yes. Do not shrug off or not believe somebody that is struggling with something like this. Yeah, and if you have a kid that decides that they have something else going on in their head and they say anything that that's this is somebody else that's inside my head, pay attention. Really do. God, that's a real thing. It really is. And it took several Lindsay for telling me this, and and I'm trying to wrap my head around it still, but I I kind of get it, you know? It's insane. Yeah, and it's it's just so sad that it took several psychiatrists for decades before she found the right one to make her. So yeah, Dr. George, you are amazing. Yeah. Detective Stomolis, you Paul Stomolis, you are amazing for believing her. All of that for helping her. Yes. Yeah. Because it was true. It was, I mean, she wasn't bullshitting you at all. I mean, y'all, yeah. I believe it. Well, I mean, they found that it was true. The man finally broke down and admitted to it. Yeah, the the the developmental process of a of a child becoming a young adult, basically. I mean,

Music Break Aurora Wave Kindness

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I mean, really, really horrific. God, can I play music? You can. What band are we plugging today? I'm excited for this one. I already know. I already know what it is. Hooked up with this amazing YouTuber that created a band, and he did like YouTube stuff of like reggae and all this stuff, millions of followers, just amazing group. Decided to get his band together. Aurora Wave. And I want to play them. Featuring who? Oh, it's featuring somebody. Yes, it is. Somebody that's gonna be at Rockville. Yes, yeah. Oh, Franzilla from Attila. Mm-hmm. Franzilla from Attila. Love it, love it. And this is the summer vibe. And I'm gonna be a little bit more than a lot of people. Then I'm telling you, when we saw when we saw Attila, that was a whole ass fucking vibe. Silas was on the rail. He's sitting right here now. He did not listen to the rest of this. Just want you guys to know. We do not have to go to the wheel. He just walked in for the music part. But for the music part, he walked in. We're gonna let him hang out for a second. As long as he's quiet over there. Silas. He had a great time at one level. Smell like the outside. But Attila is well from the. You had a great time at Attila, didn't you? You can say yeah. Yeah. You were on the rail, and you are I have a video of you. You were just having a great time during Attila. And then you were like, all right, I want to go ride the water water slide now, because it was right by that stage that they were playing at. Well, Pennywise was playing and you wanted to see them, but you wanted to do the water slide instead. Yeah, he was he was a water slide dweller that year. But you stay, you were on the rail for Attila. You got even closer to me and Daddy. We were right behind him, but he got right on the rail. I do like Attila. He loves them at the song. Well, Franz from Attila. This is your summer vibe. I swear to God. Follow this whole band. This is a great song. I've he has already let me preview this one. I've been listening to all of their catalog. They're so amazing. Aurora Wave. Aurora Wave from Zilla. And this song is called Kindness, and I want you guys to check it out. And check out Aurora Wave, their whole catalog. We'll see Franz at uh Rockville. I'm just hoping we can catch a little bit of you. We will. And we're gonna work it out because we're troopers. We're troopers. They are playing around the same time as Bear Tooth, so we're gonna have to run. We're gonna work it out. It's gonna happen. So uh yeah, so without further ado, one of my favorite bands so far on this podcast, this is Aurora Wave, and this song is called Kindness. I'm done to play you cool, I can just let it slide. And as a matter of fact, I wouldn't waste my time, a penny for your thoughts. You must a lot, you find so keep your two cents, cause I don't think I'm gonna die. So we get my dishes in it, they give the temp in the penny, take the wall with me, just quit it up, we got the talk. It's it's for the birds with the bullshit. I got that fitness topic. I believe it. Don't mistake my kindness for weakness You gotta fucking nerve! Can you fuckin' serve? Why you realize everyone gets what they deserve? Just say you fucking look, this girl is catchy shot, then you put the wrong back, made a badge, but you were quick. I got a fine side. Don't mistake my kindness for weakness.

Rockville Memories And Band Shoutouts

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Oh my I love that song so much. God, Lindsay, that is summer vibe. That is what I'm gonna love. We're adding that to the summer playlist. Like we have this playlist that we play at the beach. I cannot believe that we're hooked up with this dude in the band. You guys deserve everything. Everything. I want to see you on the main stage at Rockville. Yeah. Gone, yeah. You deserve it. You deserve every bit of it. Aurora Rave, Rockville 2026. We are manifesting that for you. I'm gonna hit up Danny. I'm gonna tell Danny to play you guys. We're manifesting that for you because we're gonna be there. We're gonna be on the rail. Yeah. If I can play at Rockville, you guys can damn sure play at fucking Rockville. God, that was a fucking great year. Yeah. 2021 Rockville was phenomenal. I mean, we love them all. They all have their own special highlights. 2021 was great because it was in November. Yeah. It was post-COVID. The order was phenomenal. Yes. The lineup was great. The weather was great. It was just we had all the acts, the backstage access. Jesse got to play a rock boom. That was fucking awesome. It was very stressful in the beginning. And then once you got on stage, it was on. After that, everything was chill and beautiful as fuck. Yeah. I mean it was great. If I can play there, Aurora Wave needs to be there. Yes. Come on. Come on. We're gonna tag DWP. Play Aurora Wave. Yeah. Invite them to Rockville 2026. These guys are gonna be. They're already like millions of views on this song. Millions. Oh yeah. And thank you, Franz, for getting on this. We'll tag it. Franz, your part in that is obviously like in my heart. I'm in so many groups with Franz. Me too. I'm on his um I have a community chat with him that I'm in on the show. Well, I talked to him a couple of times uh a couple of years ago when my band was getting pretty hot. Well, as your band mom, I hit him up when he was um when they were doing the thing where they were featuring local talent on Sundays. He played us, yeah. It's great stuff. Yes. Love you, Franz. Love you, Aurora Wave. You guys are my summer hit. You absolutely, absolutely. You have my heart all summer. You do? Yes. We're gonna ride the Aurora rays. Aurora weave ride. Sorry, I have a speech impediment. It's hard for me to say Aurora, but I'm gonna do my best. Yeah, yeah. We had a phenomenal time. You puddled me. I couldn't even laugh in my plant over here. No, he cried in the plant and said he gave the peace lily some tears. And we're gonna get off here, but we're gonna check out this thing that

Rockville Tips And Final Requests

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Lindsay's gonna show me, and I'm gonna get puddled some more. But uh this is a good thing. But like I said, the day that this episode airs, we will be day two at Rockville. So make sure that you follow us on Instagram at drinkabout something, follow us on the website, drinkaboutsomething.site, everything where you can find our wet our uh Instagram. Um send us an email. Everything. If you just type in Gen Z on Google, we're there. J Episode at drinkaboutsomething pod at gmail.com. Yeah. But yes, make sure you follow us so you can go to Rockville with us. Yeah, because we're gonna be handing out. We will show you how to rock at Rockville. GA passes with the camping all weekend long. We have a great time. We're we're veterans, ten years. I can even give you tips on how to be, what do you call it, nerd gone camping? Yes. She is. But we're comfortable and loving. Yeah, we are we're it's Saturday, and we have all of our shit already ready, like halfway ready to go when we leave out for leaving out Thursday morning. Week ahead ready. Yeah. But we've been collecting all of our shit. Like I've got all my alcohol purchased. She picked up on some of the shit that I do too, like packing all my stuff in Tupperware bins. Yeah. And it actually, especially when you're camping, it makes a lot of sense because it keeps all your stuff safe from any kind of weather damage. And camping, I'm gonna tell y'all. I have how many hotels have we bought? We bought two hotels and one Airbnb and in Daytona, and we were burnt. Yeah. Yeah, we were burnt, and we're camping all the way every year, period. Yeah. From now on. It's the vibe. Yeah. Yeah. The fam and Orange Lots where it's at. We'll see you guys at Rockville. Check us out. We're gonna be recording there. So and we'll see you guys next weekend, too, on here and next Friday. And we're just gonna put more and more and more stuff out. Lindsay's got tons of it. Follow, share, like. We'll see you guys then. Bye.