Drinks Pedicures And Pride Month

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Hey, Jesse.

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Hey, my beautiful wife.

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What are you having to drink tonight?

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It's some crown, it's some apple, it's some energy, it's some drink.

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Okay. Yeah.

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And I'm geeking because you took me to have my feet painted.

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I did. I took uh so before our wedding, Jesse discovered that he likes pedicures. So now I have incorporated them into birthdays and holidays, and Father's Day is here upon us. I mean, it was last week. Now, but anyway, so I took him for a Father's Day pedicure.

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Yeah, I discovered that and I love it. And I was like, you need to paint my black toe because I stepped on my toe back in January.

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He's got the prettiest black toes. I just want y'all to know. There's I'm gonna take a picture of them, probably post them in stories.

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Yeah, they are.

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So make sure you follow us on Instagram. Drink about something.

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Did you take a picture of my toes?

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Not yet. I'm gonna. Okay. There's a they're nice, and we will give them away for free.

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My toes? Yeah. Are we allowed to sell my toes for free? Pictures of. Yeah. So what are you drinking over there, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_00 1:14

So I have um it is it's it's it's a trio. So I've got a blood orange rush Vista Bay, which is the 8%, with a blood orange white claw, and the retro vibe Sherbert flavored Celsius.

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So that's like okay, that might be like 10%, probably. That's what I'm thinking.

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It's enough for me.

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Yeah, you're rocking on 10, dude.

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And happy Friday, listeners. Yes, let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Oh my god, Lindsay, here we go.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Thank you for the pedicure. You're welcome. You know, I've never had my nails done or trimmed or anything.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Oh, yeah, you got your nails trimmed too.

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Oh, my fingernails just got trimmed too, yeah. First time ever.

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Professional.

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Cool ass Puerto Rican chick that is just so amazing. And Lizzie's over there like being quiet, and I'm like, super loud, because I bring my rattle cup.

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I was his ZD for the nails one.

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I showed up.

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It's Father's Day weekend. It's all yours, all weekend.

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I showed all the way up, and I was just like, dude, I'm geeking. Do my nails. I was like, paint them all black because I got this black toad because I stepped on it, and it's so black still. It's crazy. So black.

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So we just wanted to paint it black.

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Yeah.

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And that's it.

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I see a toenail and I want to paint it black. Yes. And I was like, Panama, fuck it. That's what I did.

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So shout out to Nancy and Clarissa at Regal Nails. Thank you.

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Yeah. If you're around the area, you can pick up a card from there. Yeah.

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Yeah. And Nancy has been doing my nails and been my friend since 2009. Can you believe that?

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And Clarissa, that explains it all every time that I'm there, she does my nails.

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Yeah. Love it. Happy Pride Month. And happy Pride Month. So this week, what I decided to do, instead of plugging an organization, I want our listeners to comment an LGBTQ organization that they think our other listeners should contribute to.

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Or an event.

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Or an event.

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Something that you have bought and purchased in support of, and being just aware that people can be fucking people.

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Love is love, and we support it all as long as it is legal and consensual. But you know I've got to ask you this question. What made you feel all this week?

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Lindsay, I think the alcohol is kicking in on you over there.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

No, I'm just trying to change up my little tune every week.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Well, sometimes that makes you change your tune. Yeah. Yeah. So me. And I'm not even looking at my notes, Lindsay. I'm going off the hip because I am geeking right now, dude. It's my second Rattle Cup, and I'm already doing a true crime podcast right now.

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Fuck.

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Okay. I'm turning up a little bit because, you know, it's my weekend, right? I don't know. I'm not allowed to have my weekend, but I want, you know, I'm I'm going a little ham here, y'all. It's my turn.

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It's okay, go ahead.

Feeling Old And Super El Nino

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And Lindsay's like, this is going to be interesting, and it's fucking going to be so interesting. I was talking to the dudes about um replacing the heaters at the shop, right? And the guy was like, oh, it is no wonder, dude. No worries or whatever, because we have some time before winter comes, right? Fucking at my age, Lindsay, seasons come week to week. Does that make sense? At our age, it's like literally next week we'll be in another season. It goes by that fast, and that made me feel old.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

I know, like we've already got kind of like weekends planned up all the way until fall, and summer is not even technically here yet.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Well, by the time you work, and then you get your little bit of time, which is like microseconds, and then all of a sudden you're back to work, right? And it just goes by so fast, and the time starts passing faster at our age. Did you realize that? Uh uh Yeah. Fuck. That is what made me feel old this week. Your turn though, Lindsay. What made you feel old this week?

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So I had to explain El Nino to most of the staff that I work with. Because this year, so we get in about every seven years. And most of the staff that I work with didn't even know what El Nino was. And because we're supposed to have a super, super El Nino this year. This this this El Nino rotation, I guess it's what you would call it.

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So do you think that it's like a propaganda thing where they're just trying to push everybody into being prepared for hurricane season or something?

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Or no, because do I need to explain to you what it is?

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No, no, it's like it's a longer like weather projections for like summer and so you know, El Nino is the warmth of the ocean and it affects the weather that we have.

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And so super is mean it's just gonna be a hotter summer, a colder winter, and we haven't experienced a super one since the 80s.

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Super, super El Nino. We're talking like 1989 snowing in Lake City, Florida today.

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Probably, that's probably when it was. I didn't Google exactly what year in the 80s it was, but uh yeah, this year 2026 is Super El Nino.

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I'm gonna fist bump you because we both came back to this same town in April.

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We did, we did. Yeah, and we had a really cold winter and a really hot summer.

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We had a super El Nino. I feel like I want to put on my lucha libre mask and I'm gonna do some backflips off the top rope when we talk about El Nino. Yeah.

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Okay.

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So I feel like I'm gonna do. But you got stories, Lindsay.

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I do. Yes, so many.

The True Story Behind The Movie

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So today we are drinking about Stephen J. Russell. Now, years ago, when Jesse and I first started our journey together, we were still dating. I was waiting for him to come to my apartment, and I was scrolling through Netflix. I hadn't had streaming for very long. So I was trying to watch all these movies that I had never watched before. And then this one starring Jim Carrey came up, and I was like, you know, fuck, I love Jim Carrey. And then it also had you and McGregor, fucking Obi-Wan, and fucking Gillam of the Tree. What? Like, yeah. What? And so it came up and it was called I Love You, Philip Morris. And Jim Carrey plays Stephen Russell, and you and McGregor plays Philip Morris, not the cigarette guy. Different, different Philip Morris. Okay. And this movie was absolutely wild, very crude, but very funny, and it's based off of a true story. So I want to talk about it today. So Stephen J. Russell was born September 14th. What? My birthday.

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Again? Uh 1957.

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You have associated your birthday with so many things here, Lindsay.

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It's crazy. What? It's crazy. Uh, so he was born in Elizabeth City, North Carolina, and he was adopted literally in the parking lot uh that night.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

Now, wait a minute. We gotta spend a fucking minute here. What? He was adopted in a parking lot.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

So his birth parents were getting divorced, and we're gonna get into them just a little bit more in a little a little bit. But yeah, his birth parents were getting divorced, and wait a fucking minute, dude. Adopted their child in the parking lot of the hospital. I mean, this is 1957, you know what I mean?

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There's a lot to unpack right here.

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A lot. And there's gonna be much, much more. This one is wild, hold on tight, fasten your seatbelt, pull your harness down, click, click, click, click.

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You just slapping with a whole lot of slap, dude. Yeah, yeah.

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So he was adopted by Georgia and David Russell later on that year. Actually, it wasn't really a that's what they portray it as in the movie, is like in the hospital parking lot, but it was later that year. Because it was the 50s. Now, Steven was super smart, super multi-talented. He played the piano, the organ, and learned to be an excellent marksman with firearms. Now, when he was nine years old, for some reason his parents decided to tell him that he was in fact adopted. And he did not react well at all.

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Let me tell you.

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And I really don't understand.

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You were adopted at the Piggly Wiggly. We were in the parking lot and I just seen you, and I just fell in love. Decided just to take you under our wing. And that's your whole life story, boy.

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But yeah, if you when you watch the movie, it is a very funny interaction. Like, I mean, it's a Jim Carrey movie.

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Come on. Okay. Well, I gotta keep it up, right? Because I know that you're gonna drop some bullshit on this one.

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So, you know, most kids don't react well to that revelation that they're adopted, but after this, he developed abandonment issues.

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Fuck yeah, dude, because you don't know if you're at the piggly wiggly and if it was discount week or what, dude.

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Did they get a better deal on you know it was North Carolina, and the piggly wiggly is the jam in North Carolina. That's funny. That's funny.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Is there a is there a brown bag discount this weekend when I was adopted or what? What's going on?

SPEAKER_00 11:27

Oh my god. So uh he he started to act out, he became a problem child, he started to act out, and he would even start fires, like just arson, okay? And around 12, he was psychologically evaluated and sent to a reform school. But guess what?

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He had an IQ of 160.

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So he was a prodigy. Actually, it was 162, but I just wanted to act like that dude from Forrest Gump.

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I just wanted to bring prodigy into this because I am the fire stalter.

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Twisted fire stallter. Fire stall. Oh my god, we need a list of prodigy later. Oh, yeah. We're gonna have a disco right here in this house with rave music. It's happening. The reform school that he went to was all boys, and he hated it. Like they were super, super hard with discipline. And he said that most of the boys were perverts, but this is where he would also realize that he was actually attracted to boys.

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Whoa.

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And he would struggle with this for a long time.

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So is this like kind of some salad starter instead of fire starter?

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Some something like that.

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Okay.

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I mean, not really. Uh I mean, yeah, it I it it there's a lot. Just let me let me go.

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I have no idea where you're going. It's okay.

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Now he would start his life of being a con man with something very simple. So he got braces while he was in the reform school. Okay. He got them when he went home on like a Christmas break, and when he comes back to the school, he would start complaining all the time that his braces were bothering him. And this resulted in one of the counselors at school driving him to the Orthodonist a lot, and this would get him away from the school for a while. Okay. This would also begin his time pattern for his eventual crimes. See, Steven was born at 1201 on Saturday, the 14th. So he almost was born on Friday, the 13th.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

Oh, what time were you born, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_00 13:29

I don't know. I'll have to ask my dad.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

You need to find out, dude. You might be on the same time.

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No, I was born on a Tuesday. I remember that, but I don't know what time. But I was born on a Tuesday. Okay. So I was far from Friday the 13th. Okay. So the result from his first con was that his counselor got sick and tired of driving him to the Orthodontist and would tell his parents, hey, he is now reformed. And he was released from that school on Friday the 13th in May of 1971. So he goes back to regular school and then goes on to work in the family business of produce. He would also play the organ in church. When he was around 18 or 19, Steven would become a part of a federally investigated bid rigging operation against other produce companies to help the feds take them down, including his own dad,

Deputy Work Marriage And Family Search

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his adopted dad. Yeah. Now his pastor had told him that it was the right thing to do. So being part of this investigation sparked an interest in law enforcement, and being a part of law enforcement could help him find his biological family. So he became a volunteer reserve sheriff's deputy. And like most closeted gays at this time, he got married to a woman. And she was the chief of police's secretary's daughter, and her name was Debbie Davis. Now Debbie Davis in the movie is played by, I don't remember her name off the top of my head, but she is Corinne in Big Daddy, the Hooters Girl.

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So you're okay. So you're you're you're picturing this whole Jim Carrey movie while you're talking about this because you have no contrast, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:26

It's pretty accurate.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

Oh, really? Yeah, it's pretty accurate. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

Um, so there are some things that are fabricated and some timelines are misconscrewed, but for the most part, like everything that I looked up in my research.

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Pretty spot on.

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Pretty spot on. Okay.

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Wow.

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Now they him and Debbie would go on to have a daughter named Stephanie, and it said that he was an amazing father, like very doting, loving father. Very just they were close. Now, after he had been a voluntary deputy for a while, he used the resources to find his birth mother, whose name was Brenda Basham. So he's so excited. He find out, he finds out where she lives, and then he also finds out that he has two siblings. He was actually the middle child. And his parents were getting divorced when he was born, and that's why they gave him up. But they got back together and had another kid.

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So he wasn't cool enough, so they gave him away at the piggly wiggly. So there's there's some more issues.

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So he also learned that his birth father had passed away. So this hurts him really bad. But he still wants to go meet Brenda. So he shows up on her door, like knock knocking. I think he is uh impersonating a police officer and was like, hey, did you give a son up for adoption? And she just kind of shuts the door in his face.

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Like, fuck off. You don't get to know about what happened in the parking lot at the uh Piggly Wiggly. So yeah, now this keep going there. I'm sorry.

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Now he feels even deeper abandonment issues, and he's dealing with his sexuality issues. So internally he is just a mess. Now, sometime later, he will meet a woman with his birth last name, Basham, and finds out that she is married to his biological brother. Now, this woman is like, oh my God, please come over. Let's have dinner, let's have a get together. And his siblings were very receptive of him. And they finally like kind of egg the mom, hey, come meet him. And so she comes around.

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So it's a whole gathering, like she she had the realization that her husband now is actually the brother of him, and they're wanting to all come together and have a whole family thing.

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We need to get this together. Yeah. But yeah, who wouldn't want to, right? But like I said, the mom, she shut the door in his face, but the brothers are like, uh, we have a brother, mom. Please, please come over. Let's all meet. Right. Now, this is far as it goes, as far as my research goes. Like it ended at the picnic. I guess so.

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The the chicken wasn't good enough.

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I don't know 100%, but that's as far as that story goes.

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Really? Holy shit.

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Now, after the sting operation that Steven had been involved in, he didn't stay in the family business and decided to go, you know, he decided to continue his career in law enforcement and move to Boca Raton and worked for the police department there as a traffic cop.

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So they moved to Ratmouth, Florida.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And they so they were from North Carolina. They moved to South Florida. And the police chief down there, he was kind of shady. He didn't have uh a permit for using the I'm using my the gun, the gun thing, the traffic, the gun.

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He didn't have a permit for using a radar.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Okay. I'm just trying to figure you out. You're pointing at me and you're flicking your finger over here. And uh I didn't know how you flick your flick, but I understood your flick. Okay.

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So he didn't have uh an actual license to use this radar gun, and he was writing unlawful tickets and signing other officers' names, including Stevens. And this would get Steven fired. Like the chief sold him out to save his own ass.

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What?

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Yeah.

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You're going 75 into 45, boy.

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But also at this time, Steven was meeting up with other men at parks where gays would meet up. And he believes that he was being watched. And so that also led to him being fired.

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Like it's not only Oh, they were seating, they were seeking out his whole aesthetic of humanity. They were like, this guy's kind of off a little bit. You're down here in the south. Now, this isn't cool, so we're gonna just go ahead and get rid of you again at the parking lot at the piggly wiggly. I think. Right?

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Well, it's in Boca Raton. I don't think there was any piggly. There might have been. Shit, I don't know.

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Well, it was the 80s by this time. Yeah. Yeah.

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So after he gets fired, the family moves back to Virginia. And he gets a job with the uh Suffolk, is that how you say it? Suffolk County.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

Is that Florida? Where is he at?

SPEAKER_00 20:35

No, he's in Virginia. I just said that. Suffolk? Is that right?

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Fuck, I don't know.

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So we'll say that. Yeah. Suffolk County Sheriff's Department. But his charges in Florida ended up being brought to light, and he was fired from that job as well. So now the family moves again to Houston, Texas, where Steven goes to work for Cisco food distribution.

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So now he's gone from pigglywiggly to publics, and now he's at Cisco. No.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Well, I'm just trying to figure out the groups of he went from produce to police department, to police department to now Cisco. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Well, you know, this is my fucking story over here, but you tell yours, okay?

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So he's still married to Debbie, but he's dating men on the side. Now, Debbie, she really didn't like Texas.

Scams Begin And He Comes Out

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And one night when he was out with his gay friends, he was speeding in his car and crashed the car and almost died. Now he's in the hospital for quite some time. So Debbie has to take over the bills and the responsibilities, and she finds credit card receipts for his second life. Well, now at this time, he finally comes out and tells Debbie that he is gay. Now they would end up getting Divorced, but it was amicable, and he still remains friends with Debbie, very close. Like you have to watch the movie.

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Well, that's sweet because Debbie wasn't a downer.

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She was not a downer. Yeah. And he would later say that he loved Debbie and had an actual sexual attraction to her, but his sexual attraction to men was stronger. More predominant, yeah. And he he wasn't really trying to deceive her. It's just, it was the 80s, man. And it's it wasn't, it was still taboo.

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He was still reaching out for full human nature of what his feelings were.

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And she was very religious. Like, I, you guys, I mean, as soon as this podcast is over, go watch I Love You Philip Morris. You will not be disappointed. I've never seen this. That's why I mean the Jim Carrey movie too. I told you earlier I said, hold on till I tell the story before you make movie plans.

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Okay. Okay, we're doing this.

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Now, after a few more attempts and failures at other jobs, he learns how to scam for money. So he has injuries from this car accident, right? And that would help him with a few slip and fall scams. And then he also had a Rolex scam going by opening credit cards in other Steven Russell's names. And he would buy the Rolex on those credit cards and then sell them for cash. And this wasn't just the only, like, there was a lot. There's a lot. Like I am shortening the amount of scams this man did.

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So because I was thinking like flamboyant shady, but now he's full on slim shady. Right?

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But I mean, it's just you have to get into this man. He was smart as fuck. Okay. So he was caught for this scam and got five years probation. But then he was also investigated for passport fraud. And then that led to him being investigated for the slip and fall scam, the insurance scam. And that led him to get six months in prison. But while he was out on bond, he's just like, I'm going to go back to Florida. And this time he went to uh West Palm. So he has now jumped bail. So while he's in West Palm, he gets a job with Costco and he meets a man.

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Wait a minute. Down was talked about the puppet.

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Oh, listen, you're not gonna catch up. Just listen.

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I can't keep up, dude.

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All around. Okay. When the fuck is Aldi coming into play? I just wanted to know. Or when Dixie or something. He won't make it to Aldi. Okay.

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So, like I said, he gets a job with Costco and he ends up meeting a man named Jimmy Kimple. Not Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Kimple. Jimmy was a bell hop at one of the hotels in the area. And Jimmy had HIV. So in the 80s, if anybody knows. That was a death sentence. Okay. But Steven, he fell head over heels in love and wanted to take care of Jimmy, and he wanted to give Jimmy a great rest of his life. So he continues scamming so that he can afford this lifestyle.

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Yeah. Following underneath the whole Ronald Reagan fucking fear bullshit. Fuck Ronald. What was his wife's name?

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God damn that.

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Nancy, but still like, fuck Nancy. But Nancy did a great job on your toes earlier.

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Oh yeah, don't fuck my Nancy, but fuck Nancy Reagan.

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That was so much bullshit and fear over this. Oh.

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It was terrible. It was terrible. And in fact, I want to plug her real quick. She don't really need plugging, but go listen to Bailey Sarian's Dark History episode about the Reagans, and you will see why I say fuck the Reagans.

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And the fear and everything tied back together in all of the awareness and pride month. That is a big staple right there. Big staple.

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Because let me tell you, if it hadn't been for them, we probably could have had some quicker advancements.

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I think so. In in in in medical awareness and things. Yeah, they they held it all to one fucking epidemic in sexuality.

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Well, it took until a child got it, and they're like, oh, this isn't just a K disease.

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Other people can get that shit too. Right, bullshit. We all knew that. It was a disease that you can get from anything like blood transfusion. Wow. You know.

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I think that that's how he got it too. And I forgot his name. I shouldn't have forgotten his name because we learned about him so much in school.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

We did talk about that. Yeah, you got a blood transfusion and got HF.

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You guys comment who was the boy in the 90s that got the AIDS from blood transfusion.

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Anyway, so anyhow, there's there's a whole thing right here, right? Right fucking here in this time zone. And I wanted to point that out. I just had to do it.

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So Steven and Jimmy, they move in together and start a life, all while Steven just

Jimmy Kimple Love During The HIV Era

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has all these charges piling up against him, and things are gonna start to close in. And he attempts suicide on three separate occasions. But he still ends up back in Houston in 1992, in jail. But his love for Jimmy would keep him motivated, and he plans an escape. So he's a very tall man and he's looking for street clothing that he can find in the prison.

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Yeah, big and tall didn't really happen until like later, later.

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So he finds women's red stretch pants and a white top, and he made friends with an infirmary nurse, and he stole a walkie-talkie from that area. He observed all the guards' routines for a while, and then on Friday, May 13th, 1992, he walked out the front door of the prison.

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Really? Fuck off. I'm out. Deuces, dude. We're going back to the piggly wiggly. Fuck off.

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So he gets a ride. He went to a hotel, called another friend for clothes. Now he hears the bolo out for him on the walkie-talkie, and he sends them in the opposite direction, impersonating because he's got this walkie-talkie. He's like, oh, suspect is seeing blah blah blah blah blah blah, you know.

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West side of town.

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On the other side of town.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

Yeah. Not at the piggly wiggly. We're going to the Costco now. He's over there in the parking lot right now.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

He hops on a plane under a fake name and meets up with Jimmy. But Jimmy's mom, she tells him out. She's concerned about her boy, man. He's, you know, he's sick and she's concerned about her boy. So he gets arrested again, makes bail again, and goes to Mexico City with Jimmy.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

So he made bail from escaping and still made fucking bail? You double bailing, bro. It's a lot of bail.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

So he goes to Mexico City with Jimmy and he calls the district attorney for Mexico City, but he tells them that he's in the Dominican Republic to keep them off his trail. So while he's in Mexico, Jimmy's health declines, and Steven decides, hey, we gotta go back to the States. I gotta get you taken care of. And they just, when they get back here, they just move around a lot and he's still scamming to make money. There's so many. There's so many. I I would be here all day. Promise you. So at one point, they're in Chicago and he gets a job with Nutra Suite. Do you remember Nutra Suite?

SPEAKER_02 29:54

So this has turned into a full catch me if you can type fucking situation.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

It's very is compared to that case a lot. Fuck.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

Okay, now I'm fucking fully evolved right now. Involved. Oh, it's we ain't nowhere near done. I'm flaming her. Y'all lock in.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Like I said, fired up. You got the harness on, click, click, click, make sure. Everything, dude.

SPEAKER_03 30:12

I love it. But roller coaster.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

It's it's just like flamboyant, fucking full on aesthetics of humanity, but at the same time, he's doing some devious ass fucking shit, dude. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Victimless crime, kind of.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Still crime for sure. True. True. I ain't even gonna lie, though.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

I was rooting for this dude like the whole fucking time.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

Yeah, well, I mean, I I get he's just trying to be his self, but he's doing some shady shit though.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

And like I said, like in my head, I'm picturing Jim Carrey the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

That's what you are. And that's where I'm trying to like, because I don't know. I haven't watched the fucking thing.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

And also, he can create different voices, which is why Jim Carrey was like a perfect actor for his part, because he can make different voices. Like he's making calls, he's doing all his own admin work, man.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Which is tying into our recap that you can go back and check out Wednesday because the voices and the shit that happened in that deal.

SPEAKER_03 31:09

Oh my god. Well, yeah, let's keep going. I just had to think about that. Don't get that out of your head.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Let's keep having fun.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Well, come on. That one's not fun. No, but go back and check it out for sure.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

Yeah. Go on, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

So he gets this job under Jimmy's name so that he could have a job without being caught for his past crimes, and also so that Jimmy could benefit from the health care package. But the money scam continues because Steven likes the finer things in life and he wants to give the finer things to Jimmy. So he would do things like inflate expense reports. And he was also taking out life insurance policies on Jimmy and then selling them for like a cash now type situation. So, like you buy a $100,000 life insurance policy and then you sell it for $20,000 now. You know what I mean? So the person that buys that insurance policy, they will get the eventual payout. But Steven's got the cash now. But Jimmy's health continues to go downhill. And he doesn't like being so far away from his mom. So they move back to West Palm Beach. Steven, who is just absolutely amazing at talking his way into great jobs, becomes the vice president, the vice president of a finance company. Or excuse me, he's the vice president of finance for a company called DCI Communications. Now, this is still under Jimmy's name. In this place, he would double pay himself.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

And get away with it.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

What?

SPEAKER_00 32:47

Now he would quit before he was caught. Like he quit the job before he was like officially caught. Like they didn't fire him, but he was still investigated. So he said, Jimmy, we gotta get out of here. And now they planned on going to Philly, but they needed some cash so they could buy everything for cash playing tickets and all that. And Steven sent Jimmy to the bank, and he was just too nervous. He didn't have that confidence that Steven had at pulling shit like this off. And he looked suspicious, and the tellers alerted authorities, and Jimmy just couldn't lie. And he spilled all the beans. And they were both arrested for insurance fraud. But Steven had a lot of other charges. Now, Jimmy he made bail and went home. He went home to mom and Steven went to prison in Jersey. And then a few weeks later, Jimmy passed away. Oh God. Yeah. And he had done, I mean, it's terrible. But he had done all that. Everything that he's done so far for love. Like.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

So what time around was this?

SPEAKER_00 33:59

This is still 1992.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

Magic Johnson era. And he couldn't get that kind of help.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

No.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Because he didn't have that kind of money.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Not many people have gotten that kind of help. And he wasn't that kind of That's that year that Freddie Marcury passed away as well. And he had money.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

So I was saying they weren't that kind of Reagan.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

Because I think the whole cure was out there. Oh, not cure. Okay, there's no way to cure it, but the whole availability was held back, I think, a long time. Just like we feel like there's so many things. Because of big fucking pharma. Sorry to be like that. They had to fucking make all their fucking money first, didn't they? They still are. And they had to get everybody in there, but they could have gave them a fucking cure probably in the 80s, I think. I'm just saying. Uh come and get me, Big Pharma. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

So Steven spent six months in Jersey prison and then went to Texas to face

Philip Morris And A Prison Romance

SPEAKER_00 35:05

his charges in that state. Now, in this facility, Steven meets Philip Morris, not the cigarette guy. And guess when Philip's birthday is.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Tell me, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

March 13th, 1959. And yes, he was born on Friday, the 13th.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

Ooh, once again.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

And he was a son of a preaching man.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

What? No, we gotta re- we gotta revisit that, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

Now, this is the character that is played by Ewan McGregor. Or Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're kidding me. Gillet of the tree. Yeah. And what was his name in what was his name in Big Fish? Oh my god, I love that movie so much. It was so good. So good. We love Ewan McGregor over in this house. Uh, you're welcome here anytime I'll cook for you. He was the son of an Arkansas preacher man, so he's, you know, he's a little country boy. And he was doing time. This is so fucked up, okay? He was doing time for not returning a rental car on time. Now listen, yes, that is a charge, okay? I don't remember exactly why, but he was only supposed to get a little bit of time for that. And somehow the book was thrown at him and it ended up being four years. How long did he have the fucking rental car? It was not that long. So I don't remember exactly why.

SPEAKER_03 36:32

It's like I'm on an extra extended vacation.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

And there were some trumped-up charges.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

Like And he's all like, no, fuck off, dude. You're getting four years because you wanted to stay a couple of more days at Boca Raton in Florida.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

And and he was not doing well in prison. He was a small guy, and Steven was ended up being like his protector. And Steven also tells him that he's a lawyer.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

Yeah, not cool. Yeah, not cool. Don't listen to me, but I'm gonna tell you that I'm the greatest thing you've ever met, right?

SPEAKER_00 37:05

Well, they they have a a prison romance. Now, Steven, he gets out on parole in 1995, and Philip was going to follow soon after. So when Steven gets out, he cashed out some of the insurance policies that he had had on Jimmy, which were fraudulent. But he decides to keep the facade of being a lawyer going as Steve Russo, and he would be the attorney that would get Phillip out a little earlier.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

So Steven just kept on. Just kept on going. Folding in the cheese, but he's not David. Well, I just folded in the cheese, Steven. Steven.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

He just kept folding it in, dude. Oh, Stephen.

SPEAKER_00 37:52

Stephen, I can't tell you how to do everything.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

Oh, Steven. I'm going everywhere. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

So he got Philip out of prison a month early, and they decided to settle down, settle down, and have a nice little life in Houston. Now, Steven weasled his way into a CFO position for a company called North American Medical Management or NAM. So this company would hold large amounts of money in accounts while waiting for insurance payout, okay? But they weren't gaining any interest. This money was just sitting there, like $22 million, just hanging out in the bank in a non-interest bearing bank account.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

How do you have $22 million and not put it into something that can accrue some fucking money?

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Well, what's crazy is his boss had a doctorate. He was a fucking astronaut. Like he had never been to space, but he was like a certified astronaut. Like he had all these things. And Steven just fucking worked circles.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

But it's the 90s, right? So you have $22 million in your space the fuck out. If you're not going to use that to accrue some money, just put that shit in some kind of CD funds. That's what Steven does.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

So Steven goes to his boss and is like, hey, let me help you make some more money. And then Steven would also, of course, skim from the top for himself.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

I mean, I would too, actually, at that point. I agree on this deal. I'd be like, you got 22 fucking big ass fucking bricks, dude. And you're not using this to make more money. Give me one of those. Give me one of those.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

I mean, 22 million dollars in in interest, like, is a lot.

SPEAKER_02 39:33

I mean, just a lot of fucking money back in the 90s.

SPEAKER_00 39:36

Oh my god. So Steven also found checks that had never been cashed out by the recipient. So he just went ahead and you know, he just cashed them out.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

This is mine. Yeah, this is this is all mine.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

I mean, I found them. Finders keepers, right?

SPEAKER_02 39:50

My God. Just take this right here. This is mine, right? Nobody's looking.

SPEAKER_00 39:55

When I tell you we said that shit so much in the 90s, it was ridiculous. Finders keepers, like for sure. Everything. For sure. Everything.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

Now I get I get all of this part. The rest of the parts are are yeah, criminal, but I kind of would have probably I don't know. I don't feel like I'm criminal, but still. Yeah, goddamn.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

So this was actually Steven's way of sticking it to insurance companies because of the struggles that he had faced with Jimmy in getting proper health care. That's exactly why.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

I was just saying that.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

And he also found out that other coworkers were like limiting payouts so that they could have a higher bonus check. So that pissed him off even more. So he felt no remorse of skimming off the state.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

No, he's looking at the higher ups and he's actually being able to fuck the higher-ups a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Yeah. So Steven took his money and he and Philip were living it up in a fancy new place, matching Mercedes, matching Rolex. But he fucked up when he tried to buy an investment property. The loan officer saw some shadiness and reported it to Nam.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Yeah, you went a little too far there, bro. The Mercedes probably brought it over the fucking top there, bro. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

Now he starts to let Philip know what was going on, and Philip left. Like Philip thinks he's just this lawyer just making all this money.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

Yeah, I got his fucking Mercedes now, and I'm fucking bawling, bro.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

Oh, wait a minute, bro. Philip was fucking pissed. Now, 10 days later, Steven is arrested. And he tells them before they like leave the property, they're like, hey, I'm diabetic. My blood sugar

Insulin Coma And Judge Impersonation

SPEAKER_00 41:40

is really low. Can I go get a dose of insulin real quick? So they they let him get the medication, but he's not diabetic. Philip was. And he he injects 40 doses of insulin into his system and goes into insulin.

SPEAKER_02 42:00

So on coma.

SPEAKER_00 42:01

Well, now there it is said that he was either trying to do this as another escape attempt, but it's also said that this could have been a suicide attempt because goddamn, 40 doses of insulin.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

Lindsay, my stepgrandmother, did that to pass away. Really? Yeah. Yep. Oh my god. Just uh just to hit me a little bit real quick. Just uh something back toward me a little bit. Well, uh yeah. Uh whole stories on that. I just don't want to get all the way into it, but there is a lot right there that I can talk about for days. And we'll have this conversation with you and I.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

Just to share a tidbit right there. Just had to do it.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

So Steven, now he's arrested. He's he's come out of his coma. He survives. Uh, he's looking at 30 years. So he puts another plan into play. So he had a friend on the outside who could forge bond reductions. He did this so he could make bail. Jesse was looking at me with his jaw drops. But guess what? So now this is insane. So he calls his friend from jail who uses call forwarding so Steven can impersonate the judge to talk to the clerk and a bail bondsman to make everything legit. And he got out on bail on July 13th, 1996. Fuck. But this is on a Saturday, but it's still the 13th. You know what I'm saying? 13 is definitely his number. I don't know if it's lucky or not, but it's his number.

SPEAKER_02 43:45

Well, I mean, he can get the fuck out every time. I mean, he's got it going on.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

Well, Steven, he finds Philip and he's like, hey, we gotta go because there's a warrant out for you two. But there wasn't. He tricked Philip because he didn't want to. Leave Philip.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

He didn't want to be without Philip and come on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

So they make a plan to go to Florida separately. But one of his contacts were actually bugged by the police. So as soon as Steven arrived in Fort Lauderdale, gets off his bus, he's arrested.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

Should have gone to Boca Raton again, dude. You would have had Boca Raton.

SPEAKER_00 44:26

Well, and this is this is before Philip arrived. So Philip just shows up and there's no Steven. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:32

Hello? Hello.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

Now this time, they tell the guards, be on high alert, don't believe anything Steven says. Just get him to where he needs to be. And when he gets there, he he attempted an escape right away, acting as a janitor. He just gets on the elevator. Listen, you have to watch the movie because this shit is so fucking funny. Oh my God. But of course that didn't work.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

So the flow though.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

The flow.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

He knows how to go.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

He knows how to go.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

Fuck. Just right off rip. Y'all ain't got me locked up and handcuffed, so I'm just going to dip the fuck out, right? Y'all told me I could, right? Didn't you tell me I could?

SPEAKER_00 45:12

I think it was like, it was like they said as soon as the shackles were off of him, he was like and I'm gonna go over here and grab a mop.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

I'm good.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

So he devises another plan. And this time he's going to impersonate a prison doctor. Now their scrubs were green, but the design was like the the scrub design was as almost the same as the prison whites. So with his commissary money, he buys a bunch of green markers and he dies his prison whites in the toilet or in the sink in his cell.

SPEAKER_02 45:47

This has got to be the best Jim Carrey movie I've ever fucking seen, dude.

SPEAKER_00 45:51

You have no idea. What now? This would take a little bit of time, you know. He's got to get the die job right, and he would observe all the guards' routines. Like I said, so fucking smart. And he noticed that one of the female guards was like super lazy. And he escaped again. Walked right out the front door, and he he got a ride. I was still under the guise of a doctor. Okay, so he goes through the woods, he finds a house, he just knocks on the door and he tells the homeowner that he got in an accident that he had been drinking and driving, but he was a doctor and he needed to be discreet.

SPEAKER_02 46:27

In full scrubs, he's like, fuck it, I've been drinking and driving.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

Well, he even like disguised the name tag and everything.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

I was doing, I was doing a colonoscopy, and I fucking got into a wreck because I've been drinking.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

It's like he gets the ride, and later that night he is in downtown Houston at a Mexican restaurant having Margs and queso, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

You just looked at me bobbing your head like, listen here, motherfucker. This is how it fucking went down. It is how it went down.

SPEAKER_03 46:56

Steven Russell is something. Steven Russell fucker.

unknown 47:00

He's fucking full on.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

Full on, just doing his damn thing all the way. Folding the cheese, Steven.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

So I've lost my place because I'm laughing so hard. No, you can. You can. We're gonna go keep this fucking shit in here.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

So when he meets up with Philip this time, Philip just thinks that he's made bail. He doesn't know that he has actually escaped. And they he Steven gets a limo and is like, let's go to Biloxi. So they go in style, and on the way in the limo ride, they watch Pretty Woman. Like, yes, Queens.

SPEAKER_02 47:37

Love me right now.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Yes, Queens fucking pretty woman.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

Sinking all the way into Geekville.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

Hollywood! Oh my god, I want to watch Pretty Woman too.

SPEAKER_02 47:46

I am Geekville right now. This is fucking Rockville style Geekville right here.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

But some someone fucking ratted him out or phone lines were tapped again. Like, Steven, please stop calling people because they're all the all your friends' phones are bugged, man.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

And get the hell out the golden nugget. You don't belong here.

SPEAKER_00 48:05

So it's not long after they arrive in Biloxi, straight to jail. But this time, unfortunately, this would put Philip back in prison because he was aiding and abetting a fugitive. And that's not fair. I I I'm mad at you about that, Steven. That was just one time. That's about it.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

I pulled up to Biloxi one time.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

I know you told me about it.

SPEAKER_02 48:26

Me and my dad, we drove all the way to Biloxi listening to Serious Radio.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

Silic City, Florida.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

Serious XM radio. No, I think it was just XM radio. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

No, it was just serious.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

Serious.

SPEAKER_00 48:37

With the little dog. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:39

So we had discovered comedy.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

No, it's always been serious XM. It was satellite radio, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

Yeah. So we had discovered comedy radio, and me and my dad drove fucking six hours all the way to Biloxi. Dude pulls up, he's like, pull up right here. Bowl Rivage, right? In Biloxi. We pull up right at the front door, and this chick wraps his arm around him when he gets out of the car.

SPEAKER_00 49:05

He's a high roller.

SPEAKER_02 49:07

Literally. This is my dad. I didn't know anything about this shit. I didn't know about this shit. I'm going side story real quick.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

That's fine. Daddy's gonna lie.

SPEAKER_02 49:14

I know this is a long ass story. Rest in peace, Johnny. Stan Ball. But Chick fucking walks out, don't even know our car. Sees him, walks out. We don't touch no luggage. We don't do anything but walk straight into a hundred dollars a roll on the slot machines.

SPEAKER_00 49:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

He pulls out grands of money and starts shucking them in the slot machines. He's like, just go as hard as you want to, boy. That's what my dad told me. I just had to just a little bloxy story on mine, and I did not know my dad was like this. He had won over $150,000 the year before that doing that shit.

SPEAKER_00 49:57

Well, I'm telling you, like, you're oblivious to a lot of things in life, and it's so fun, like bringing you to the light.

SPEAKER_02 50:04

Fucking oblivious.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

I bet your dad was just enjoying the facial expressions like I do every week when I shock and horror you.

SPEAKER_02 50:10

Well, yeah, that too, but like I feel like I feel like my dad at that moment was like, I'm gonna show my son something fucking real.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

And how old were you in your 20s, right?

SPEAKER_02 50:19

Yeah, 23 or 4 or something like that. Yeah, and dad was just like trying to show me his big twice, three times a year. Big ass stamba. He pulled out his whole Stan Ball right there, the bowl revivage. Fucking Biloxi, dude. That was a Biloxi story from hell, dude. Then we seen Larry the Cable guy that night.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:40

And then we went back one more time later on. We seen Merle Haggard with him because he liked the old country western music and stuff. Dad stood up at that time and yelled out a song, and then Merle played that song. That was so fucking iconic, dude.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

And then you took your dad to see Merle right before Merle passed away.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

Right before. That's old. That made me feel old. God, that's so old, but amazing music. It's so deep ingrained in me. Just a little story back. I had to do it. I'm sorry, but keep on going, Lindsay. Fucking Biloxi, though. Damn. What's sometimes?

SPEAKER_00 51:12

So he's arrested. He's in jail. Phillips in jail. And of course, Steven, he ain't gonna let prison keep him down. So his next escape would involve him trying to fake his own death.

SPEAKER_02 51:28

He's wanting to get excommunicatoed. The cheese done folded all the way in.

SPEAKER_00 51:33

So he lost a lot of weight. And his health was like visibly like you could look right at him and tell that his health was declining, okay? Now he tells prison doctors that he has HIV. And somehow he made it to where his white blood cell count was low. Was

Fake AIDS Death And Final Sentencing

SPEAKER_00 51:55

low. And like he did all the things. And by 1998, or that yeah, this was in 1998 when he got arrested. Okay, so he was sent to hospice. And on Friday, March 13th, 1998, Stephen was put in the care of an experimental AIDS therapist. But this was all a ruse.

SPEAKER_02 52:22

Under a different name, right?

SPEAKER_00 52:23

Stephen didn't have AIDS. But parole officers, they received a death certificate. Stephen had made his own lab results. No doctors could question them. He had taken medications to make him sick and had slowly been starving himself over time.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

This is criminal genius.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Not one medical professional actually tested him for AIDS. Not one. None of them.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

And they were like, yeah, you got low white blood cell account, yeah. Yeah, you you got you're low, bro. You're you're you're dying, whatever. We're not gonna test you for it. We just know.

SPEAKER_00 52:59

Like he made the death certificate, he made the calls, he did it all. And he escaped again.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

So now Which is kind of reminded me of another Jim Carrey movie. Dumb and Dumber 2, where he acted like he was in a coma. For 20 years. He was all changing his diaper and everything for like 20 years. Dude laughed a little bit when he made this joke. Yeah, it's like Woo!

SPEAKER_00 53:31

So now he had to get Philip out. So once again, he impersonated a lawyer who pretended to be a millionaire to get a loan to get Philip out on bail. But the bank was suspicious and they called the FBI. And Steven was once again arrested, and this time he faked a heart attack. And at the hospital, they really didn't know who he was because he only had fake IDs on him. So he calls the hospital from his room, impersonating the FBI, and tells them that the suspect is no longer being investigated.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

So you're good. We're clocking out, right?

SPEAKER_00 54:15

Oh, we're good. He headed, he headed to where Philip was being held. Uh so then he goes to Florida, but that didn't last long, and he was arrested for the final time.

SPEAKER_02 54:28

Don't go to Florida, man. Come on now. It's not good.

SPEAKER_00 54:31

He was finished. Now, check this shit out. After his final arrest, he was sentenced to 144 years. Yeah, you've pissed off a lot of fucking people, bro. But I don't give a fuck. Pedophiles don't get that. No. Most murderers don't get that. No, but you pissed off a lot of fucking people across the country. But guess what, though? So his boss from NAM, the prosecutor in his case was his sister-in-law.

SPEAKER_02 55:01

Full on fuckery.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

Trumped up charges. So no, no, no, no. He did this all for love.

SPEAKER_03 55:07

He did it for love. I get it, Lindsay. He did it for love.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

I get the creativity and all the and the there's a lot of fucking glamour in this to be to be fair, because he's fucking the man a lot in this. He's fucking the fucking rich a little bit, and he's fucking all the system a lot in this. Okay, well, I love what he did.

SPEAKER_00 55:26

This is what I fucking hate. He would spend the next 16 years in solitary confinement. 16 years, Jesse.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

You pissed off a lot of fucking people. There was people chasing his ass for fucking more than more than that many years.

SPEAKER_00 55:42

I know.

SPEAKER_02 55:43

Yeah, they were. They were like, fuck you, dude.

SPEAKER_00 55:44

You're gonna say But for being a con artist, Jesse.

SPEAKER_02 55:47

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

He didn't hurt nobody.

SPEAKER_02 55:48

I do understand that, and I I I am fucking fascinated.

SPEAKER_00 55:52

He pissed people off. He didn't physically harm anybody.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

In full agreement. In full agreement. This is not a violent crime by any means, except for fucking the man and pissing off a lot of people. And I love that actually because fuck the fucking man, right? Whoever the man is, fuck him.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

Yes, especially insurance companies.

SPEAKER_02 56:13

All the way, all the way to Biloxi. Every bit of it.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

Now he in total he served a total of 28 years. Now he and Philip did not continue as a couple. And Philip ended up serving like eight years. So he For aiding and embedding, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

So they're they're they're back out 28 years, and they're I mean, it's done at 20 years. Let me finish the story. Okay, well, I mean, okay.

SPEAKER_00 56:40

So Steven's ex-wife and daughter, Stephanie, they kept in touch with him like all through all of this. Like all of this. Like Debbie even like held money for him and all the things. Like I said, they remained very good friends. And Stephanie was actually his inspiration to just kind of fucking chill out after that last arrest. Like, dad, please stop. Chill pill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:02

Fucking do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

Now he was released on parole in July of 2024. He has a legit job now. He goes to school. He does speaking engagements about his past. And he is an aspiring author. I'm waiting for that book to come out because I'm gonna fucking read it and I hope he narrates it.

SPEAKER_02 57:20

Gotta be super intelligent.

SPEAKER_00 57:21

And he is married, he has a home, he's doing the right thing. And I'm gonna end it on this note The things we do for love.

SPEAKER_02 57:31

Oh, yes, Lindsay. So the the courts decided, hey, y'all are all pissed off at him, so we're just gonna let your ass go because we understand you're bullshit, right?

SPEAKER_00 57:42

Well, so he was eligible for parole in 2020, but he was denied then, but he was granted in 2024. And in my own opinion, I think 10 years total should have been enough for him. And you said five.

SPEAKER_02 57:57

Yeah, I didn't feel I feel like five off the record, but now on the record. I do I do feel like the solitary and all the bullshit was everybody else fucking plugging hate into the system. Just being pissed off. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

And probably some gay hate there. I mean, let's not lie about that.

SPEAKER_02 58:13

It was so fucking creative and so against all the fucking millionaire bullshit. He played the game right. I wish he had got away with it.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

Shouldn't have gone back to Florida or you know, yeah, and I don't like the fact that he hurt Philip and got Philip involved because yes, I know you love this man and you don't want to be without him, but he didn't deserve to do time for your crime.

SPEAKER_02 58:36

Yeah. In in the uh frustrations and all the things that come into turmoil and crime and all the things that you're doing, you fuck up and grab the wrong people and try to drag them in with you because you're looking for that support along with your negative bullshit. Yeah, I mean, I get that.

SPEAKER_00 58:53

And let's all let's I mean, I know that people go through worse and don't commit any crimes whatsoever. But number one, if his adoptive parents had just shut the fuck up and never told him that he was adopted, that may have changed the course of his life. Number two, if his mother, who his birth mother, who he had went to and said, Hey, I'm your son, and she slammed the door in this face, if she had just been more accepting, could have changed the course of his life. So, I mean, there's a lot of things of fact at bay here that could have literally changed the course of his life. If he had known that he could have been an accepted and loved person for who he was, for who what his you know sexual orientation was, could have changed the course of his life.

SPEAKER_02 59:33

So a brilliant mind was just like twisting and everything in his mind.

SPEAKER_00 59:36

Okay, I'm sorry. So I wrote down 162. It was actually 163, was his IQ. That's insane.

SPEAKER_02 59:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:44

That's insane.

SPEAKER_02 59:45

So he was twisting all that into trying to find happiness and using that for relationships at the same time, and also using that to to travel and have a a way of life that made him feel better about himself because he didn't get a good deal. I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:00

Well, and abandonment issues do lead to uh people pleasing and wanting to buy love, yeah, and things like that. And yeah, he wanted, yeah. It's just like you don't want to be separated from the person that you're with, and you want to buy them everything. And unfortunately, or watch our recap. Um, because that a lot of that went into play with that person too. Because god damn. But we're gonna we're gonna leave that, we're gonna let that lie. Go back and watch our recap. Yeah, but Jesse, that is the end of our story.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

What? Lindsay Stephen J.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:34

Russell.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

That is just I mean, I'm infatuated with all the the technical amazingness that just came into play. That thank you so much, Lindsay. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

I'm blown away. Blown away. I was too. This was that's why it took me the entire week because there was just so many things and so many scams and so many escapes, like it had my mind spinning.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:07

And to have Jimothy Carahy like front that shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

And you and McGregor, man. Yeah. Yeah, fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:14

Fuck? We gotta watch that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:17

Yes. Like I said, it's very crude. It's very, it's like a shock and awe comedy. It's very funny. So, what

Ghost Light Reptile 3.0 Reaction

SPEAKER_00 1:01:25

amazing band do you have for us this week? We don't really need a palette cleanser, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:30

I really don't think we do. I think we're just gonna skip out on the band this week, Lindsay. No, we're not. No, we're gonna plug.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:35

You got you already got one lined up. We're gonna, we're not gonna skip.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:38

The band called Ghost Light.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:40

Ghost Light, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:41

You're gonna fucking love them. This song is called Reptile 3.0, Lindsay. You're gonna fucking love it.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:01

What are we pretty doing? We got things up with us on the paper I run through. With us my hands on the book when I pick it, that's it. Okay, when I hit my What the fuck do you think about that band, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:36

It was amazing. So I had to look them up on Instagram to find like what the genre is, and it's they're listed as dark trap metal, and I I fucking like that. I think that's perfect. I was gonna go with like gothic rap, but dark trap metal is all of that. Yeah, it fits 100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:55

So we have to like traverse into what we think because we're old as fuck, into the new genre of creativity.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:04

It's like like um Kim Dracula.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:06

That's dark trap metal, they would definitely fit together in 100% in a full-on that they need to get together and do a tour.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:13

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:14

Kim Dracula, if you're listening to this podcast, pick up ghost lights because of course he's listening to this fucking light.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:20

I mean, why wouldn't he? Yeah, of course he is. Fucking dude, all of them are. Everybody, everybody. Yes, Lindsay. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:29

Like, I you guys are going on my playlist. I am so I just followed you on Instagram. I'm going to Spotify right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:36

Did you follow it from our Instagram? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:40

Who else is Instagram?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:41

But I follow them from The Drink About Something, Instagram. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:44

And it was funny because Jesse is he's had one too many over here because I'm like, this is them, right? They're followed by you.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:51

And he's like And fucked up the whole the whole intro back into this after they played. I did. I'm sorry. But no, I'm I'm I'm a little lit, dude. It's it's the pedicure, I think. It's Father's Day weekend. You're allowed.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:05

Allowed to. So, yeah. So now I have followed you on Spotify.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:09

So hot.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:10

We're in.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:10

Dude, they got so many songs, and I love them. Thank you guys for letting us share all your stories.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:16

And that that that song was called Reptile 3.0.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

And it sounds like a million point oh. I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:23

And I've they've got they've got one called Dennis the Menace, like cellar door. Oh, 3.33 a.m. The Witching Hour. I'm listening to all this shit later.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:31

How many times have you woke up at 3.33, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:34

Quite a few to go pee during Pantery menopause.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

I think I peed on myself one time at 3.33. I'm not fucking bullshitting there. It was fucking great. It was a great time. I was in a closet and I was peeing in the cellar door. Reptile 3.0. With Dennis the Menace and Jim Carrey. The whole thing at a piggly wiggly. We just did the things. Lindsay, thank you so much for sharing this whole fucking amazing, tragic story of criminal fucking whatever fuck the man. And this is amazing. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

It's kind of like a catch me if you can-esque type thing, but Steven Russell has his own story. He doesn't need to be compared to Frank Abagnale, which we will cover in the future. That's a lot. So now here is the plug part.

Where To Follow And Final Goodbye

SPEAKER_00 1:07:20

So make sure you guys follow us. You can go directly to drinkaboutsomething.site. We are on Instagram. We have an email account if you want to send us an email with a story that you think you would like for us to cover or to talk about. Or you can follow us on DrinkaboutSomething Pod underscore Lindsay to catch our spontaneous lives. And we never know what time, we never know what day. Just follow me and you'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

We just get together and do things.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:50

We just get together and do things. And uh where are we on YouTube, Jesse?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:54

Gen Z, J E N D S E Y, which I shared actually with Jenny Haynes.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

And she shared us. Hey girl.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:02

Thank you for the support, Jenny. And there might be some more stuff coming. Some really big stuff coming.

unknown 1:08:08

Can't tell anybody yet. Shh.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:10

Don't tell nobody, but follow us and share us if you're infatuated with the stories that Lindsay pukes out of her mouth and destroys me every week. That's what we do. And you can follow us on everything at drinkaboutsomething.site. And that's what we do. Like I'm just here. She destroys me every week. I don't know most of the stories.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:32

And the stories he does know, he doesn't know the details.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:35

So we have a few sips while we're doing it, and I had a few too many during Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:39

So yeah. We let him get Father's Day weekend started and had in some crown.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:44

Yeah, you uh you got me a little fathered up on this one. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:50

But we hope that all any fathers listening because it has now passed. So we hope any fathers that are listening, y'all had an amazing Father's Day weekend, and we will see you next Friday for something new. Check out our recap to see what name that uh Jesse drew out of the bag. So, and we'll see you next week. Or actually, we'll see you Wednesday, and then we'll see you on Friday.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:13

So we'll see you whenever we see you. Come on and join us. We're gonna party, party, party.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:18

Party.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:18

We love you so much. Bye.