Drinks And Friday Energy

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Hey, Jesse.

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Hello, Lindsay.

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What are you having to drink over there today? It's a monster mango and some crown apple. Yeah. What are you having over there?

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I've got a pineapple white claw, a lemon vista bay, and a tropical vibe Celsius. That sounds like summer. Yeah, it's very good. It's very good.

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Hell yeah.

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I'm holding back my um my retros.

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Yeah.

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Because I like I buy them out like at all the every week so I can have them stocked up. I have one a day. You know, it to keep me bubbly and happy at work.

SPEAKER_04 0:36

Don't you have to have that nowadays? Isn't crazy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

Well, I mean, I'm gonna have some kind of caffeine any type of way. So, and I like the Celsius. I like the way it makes me perky.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

Hell yeah!

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Hell yeah, we're Friday and Lindsay. Happy Friday.

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I am so ready. Happy Friday. Hey.

What Made Us Feel Old

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So what are we what are we doing here? What are we doing here?

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So, well, you know, I gotta ask you the the question.

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What question is that?

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What made you feel old this week?

SPEAKER_04 1:38

God. What did I write down? I wrote something down. You want to read your notes? Yeah, I don't remember. Shit. That makes me feel old every time. No, yeah. Going to work and knowing that I still have like 20 years of working before I retire. We have more than that. Fuck no, dude. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Yeah, we got like 20, almost like 25 years.

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Lindsay.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

Well, I mean, it is what it is.

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But I mean It's been a long drag, dude. I mean, I don't mind my job. I mean, I it's okay, you know. But damn, 25 more years.

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25, Lindsay.

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I mean, the last 20 years have flown by at my job. Like, people are still shocked that I've been there that long, and I'm like, seems like I've been here two years.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

I don't know. It's weird. Yeah, it does all just bundle up into big one big old thing.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

I don't know, but I'm I mean, I've been through a lot at my job to where I like I acknowledge that I have been there 20 years, but at the same time, it has flown by.

SPEAKER_04 2:40

I think I'm creeping up on 24 now. 20. Yeah, something like that. Shit.

unknown 2:47

Fuck.

SPEAKER_04 2:49

Old. Old. Yeah. What made you feel old, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_02 2:53

So the other night it was like a dramatic moment. Like we were just started running out of everything. Like they were listing it off, and I don't know why, but then like Lloyd Christmas popped in my head, and like, and our pets' heads are falling off. And I and I said that out loud, and nobody knew what the fuck I was talking about on my shift.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

You've sold our dead bird to Pete. No, it wasn't Pete. Is it Pete the blind kid? I don't remember. You sold Pete. You sold Pete.

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I but what was crazy was like my kid would have known that reference, but he wasn't there. Or he, I don't, I think he was there, but he was, he was like out on the floor. But I was just like, really? Nobody? Nobody got that reference. Like we were like, they were like, we're out of carrots, we're out of pot roasts, we're out of like it was like five things, and I was like, our pets' heads are falling off. You know, I was trying to make a funny, and everybody's like, What?

SPEAKER_04 3:56

They didn't even get it. They're just looking at you. And I'm like, really, dumb and dumber? What? Boy Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Pretty bird. Jim Carrey. Like, nobody. Yeah, no. No. Like, I mean, you had to be there to understand why it just kind of fit. Like, they were just like rattling off shit that we were out of. And I was just trying to make light of the situation, but nobody got it. It was all the drama.

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And I was like, You're like, here, let me throw this little cute nugget in here, and nobody picked it up.

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Nobody got it.

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It was a stink bomb in front of their why is Lindsay talking about dead pets?

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That's probably what they were like, and I'm like, nobody got that. And they were like, uh. I was like, it's from Dumb and Dumber. And they were like, uh. And I was like, I'm done. I'm going back. I'm going back on the floor with all the other old people because I fit right in. But anywho.

Oscar Pistorius Early Life

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Are you ready to get to the story?

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I know this is coming.

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So Jesse drew the name out of the bag. And the name was the person we're drinking about today. And that is Oscar Pistorius. Pistorius. Pastorius.

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Astorius of Pastorius.

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Now, Oscar Leonard Carl Pistorius was born on November 22nd, 1986. To I want to say that this is pronounced Hanky because it's H-E-N-K-E. Does that sound right?

SPEAKER_04 5:25

I want to roll with that. Is he like Mr. Hanky? Is that what they call him?

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The Christmas poo.

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Yeah.

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But uh so to Hanky and Sheila Pistorius in Santon, Johannesburg, South Africa. Now, isn't that wild that we've literally been like talking about South Africa? And then I had you, and this was not rigged. Like Jesse literally, I shook the bag up. You can see it on our recap from last week, and he just picked the name out. And now we're talking about a South African case. It's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 5:56

No, it's just it's just uh natural algorithms there, Lindsay.

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Well, this uh so Johannes Santon Johannesburg is in the Transvaal province. Now, Oscar was born with fibular hemelia, which means he was born without a fibula in both legs.

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The boneless.

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Yeah. So at 11 months old, halfway between his legs and his ankles was amputated. Oh my goodness. But that did not stop him from becoming an amazing athlete. Now he did receive prosthetic legs at a very young age, and he went on to play rugby, water polo, he wrestled, I mean, he played cricket. I mean, there's just so many things. His parents divorced when he was young, and that was actually really, really devastating to him. And his mom, who was his biggest supporter, passed away when he was just 15 years old. She was my age, 43. Complications from hysterectomy.

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Oh my goodness.

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Yeah. Like that really just when they said her age, like in the one of the documentaries I was watching, I was like, I had to just stop for a minute. And I'm like, that's how old I am. Right this minute, about to be 44. And then, you know, like I have issues that could cause a history. Like it was just very scary, very scary to listen to. So that was devastating to him as well. So, you know, their parents are divorced, he's already got a diversity, his mother passes away.

SPEAKER_04 7:38

So is he like full on tink tink by now, right? Like he is doing all the athletics. Well, we're gonna get into that.

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We're not gonna mention that just yet, but we're gonna get into there. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

We're gonna get into it. Because I'm putting all the sparks are sparking over here up top of my cranium area.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

Well, then, well, uh so, and then after all of this, he gets a serious knee injury playing rugby. Now, his doctors suggested that he actually start running as part of his rehabilitation.

SPEAKER_04 8:07

Yeah, because he's basically a paraplegic, but he's playing full-on sports for everybody, right? Like he's playing like personal and uh collegial and yes, and he's like he's breaking records, he's doing things. Yeah.

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Now, of course, at this time he has to be in disabled type Paralympics and things like that. Okay. So he gets, you know, he starts running, he gets fitted for these special racing blades, and he just he never looked back, and he would end up being called the blade runner. He was competing in competitions of his caliber. And then after some fighting with officials, he was actually able to compete against people with um, for lack of a better term, like whole legs, you know, like full ability people. Full ability people. There you go. Thank you. Now he was denied a spot to compete in the 2008 Olympics, and that's when we get the comedic skit from Cat Williams about poor little Tink Tink. Now, if y'all haven't watched that, I can't remember which special that was from, but I don't know how many times I watched that. Like it was, I mean, I watched that one because he's he talked about all kinds of shit. He talked about like Steve Irwin, all kinds of I don't know, maybe Steve Irwin wasn't in that special. But, anyways, Cal Williams did a special and called him Poor Little Tink Tink. And that was what I forever knew Oscar Pistorius as. Yeah. Who's poor little Tink Tink because he wasn't able to compete because they said he had an unfair advantage because his legs don't get tired like people without prosthetics.

SPEAKER_04 9:57

Yeah. So that was I I feel like it was a pretty even playing field uh because of his disabilities, you know? I mean, I don't know how the spring thing works on the body. I don't either.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

Like just I mean, just looking at them, I would feel like that it was difficult to learn how to balance on those. I mean, yeah, your legs may not get tired, but your upper half trying to balance, like using that core strength and chance. That coordination, yeah. Yeah, wow, yeah. That's that's where the that's kind of amazing.

SPEAKER_04 10:29

Yeah, I get it. Now, if it was actually like launching him further each step, I get that, but that's hard to judge, really, as far as like a really Olympic type situation where you're trying to make every the playing field even. So I don't know. I maybe that was a the whole debacle there, you know?

SPEAKER_02 10:46

Well, he did compete in the Paralympics that year and won a lot of medals and beat some world records. And you can look all of his stats up on Wikipedia, and it gives info into on all the seconds and but all that shit. I don't know why, but reading stats just makes my brain hurt. So I did not type it all out, but it is right there on Wikipedia. And uh he did actually make the 2012 Olympic team, like regular, full-on, full-on Olympics for South Africa, right? Right, and well, I mean, isn't the Summer Olympics is like all glory? But he was representing Yes, he was representing South Africa, absolutely, yes. So this would lead to a lot of fame and fortune and brand deals, and it would bring the ladies, like the the hot ladies, mostly models. Yeah, do it, Tinky.

SPEAKER_04 11:43

Oh, y'all want to check out my Blade Runner?

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And he was also he was into architecture and motorcycling, breeding horses, he played the electric guitar. It was talented a lot. Oh, yeah. I did forget to mention though that um, oh, I'm sorry. He actually got into golfing too and won some competitions because in 2009 he got into a boating accident that resulted in him having some facial reconstruction. So, like while he was taking a break from running and things like that, he was he was golfing. So, like everything. Yeah, he competed in Celebrity Survivor, Dancing with the Stars, and this was the Italian version because he was actually part Italian as well. Dude just had a lot going on.

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I'm jealous. I mean, of all his talent. I mean, to this point, I'm kind of like, what the fuck?

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He's like Well, I mean, it's I mean, it was an amazing story. Like, this dude overcame adversity and was just good at every fucking thing.

From Paralympics To Olympic Fame

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Right.

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Everything. But in November of 2012, he meets and starts dating Reva Steencamp. Now, Reva was a model at the time, but she had she was so much more than that. She was not just a model. Reva was uh, she was born August 19th in 1983 to Barry Steencamp and June Marshall, and was from Cape Town, South Africa.

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Okay.

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Yeah. We were just talking about that. Algorithms. She studied law at the University of Port Elizabeth and received a paralegal degree, and she was in like the top 10.

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So another fucking star-studded lineup right here.

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She was top 10 in her class, and she had been modeling since age 14. So she was kind of doing both when she was in her 20s, and she had loved to ride horses and actually broke her back. She did this in her early 20s and like completely had to learn to walk again.

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Wow.

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Completely. It took her down for a while. But she went on to pursue her career in modeling. She was appearing in commercials and TV shows and also advocating for the empowerment of women and spoke out against rape and violence towards women. Now she had been in an abusive relationship previous to Oscar. And so that was the reason why she was speaking out and she wanted to just advocate for women, period. Like she wanted women to have the knowledge to get away, to say no, look for the red flags, all the things.

SPEAKER_04 14:34

Yeah, she's doing the awareness thing, and she has a big platform because of her popularity as well.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Right, right, right, right. In South Africa at the time, and I'm not sure if the stats are still the same now, but at that time, one in every four women were being abused by their partner. And every six hours, a woman was killed by her former or current partner. What the fuck? That was the stats. That's why she was advocating and was very passionate about it.

SPEAKER_04 15:05

And that is very fucking horrific.

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Yeah, that's literally in my notes. That is fucking terrible.

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That's just what they've gathered. It's probably way worse than that, right? I mean, I mean, that's just their statistics.

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I mean, could be Well, I'm hoping that maybe it's better by now, but I did not look up current stats. Oh my God. So, like I said, Reva was a smart, very driven woman who was so much more than just a model.

Reeva Steenkamp Beyond The Headlines

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So Oscar and Riva had been dating about four months on February 13th, 2013. They had been in the public eye a lot because Oscar is a celebrated athlete, and Reva was the face in this area in their area of Avon, KFC, Toyota. She was in a reality show. Very popular, very gorgeous couple. They're both doing the things.

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Yes. Star-studded even.

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And they seem to be very much in love. And Reva shared their love on social media very often. Well, this particular day, Reva was practicing a speech that she was going to give on the 15th at a local high school about sexual assault awareness. Leading up to this day, it is said that Oscar had become increasingly paranoid about his safety. He probably had some crazed fans, things like that. You know, and this brings me to another thing. So I don't know if you guys, you listeners out there, you've listened to a few of them with me. Disgraceland, hosted by Jake Brennan. Now he has covered quite a few musicians' stories. One that stuck out with me in particular, like a lot because of the crazed fans was Taylor Swift. Like he talked about men that had just like appeared in her place of residence, you know, and would just be in her bed or be in her bathroom. Wow. And that's fucking terrifying. I mean, Oscar wasn't Taylor Swift level, but I mean, you know, I can understand the paranoia there. But he was drinking a lot of energy drinks and taking caffeine pills. And this was also causing him to have a hard time sleeping. So when you're already anxious and paranoid, like you shouldn't be intaking that much caffeine.

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Puts on a lot more, don't it?

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Right. Now, when he couldn't sleep, he would go to the gun range. He had a quite the extensive collection of guns. And uh he would, you know, just practice shooting at this gun range, like all hours of the day. Well, on the 13th, Reva was going to spend the night at Oscar's house. They did not live together yet, but they were planning to in the future. And it was almost Valentine's Day, so they may have had some plans together the next

Paranoia Guns And A Tense Night

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day. So Reva, uh, she does some yoga before bed, and they both lay down around 10 p.m. Now at 3 a.m., Oscar wakes up and goes to the balcony to okay, so I'm not sure if that I think the AC was broken in their room or it wasn't working correctly. So he had the balcony doors open and he had some fans like on them pulling the air in. And I don't know why, but he woke up like sweating and he went and shut the balcony door, which makes no sense. You're sweating. I don't know if it was this paranoia being like, oh my God, I went to sleep with the fucking doors open.

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Before I went to sleep and now I've gone to sleep, probably.

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So he comes back in and he hears a noise in the bathroom. Now he thinks Reva is in bed asleep. So he thinks that this is an intruder because it sounded like a window was being opened, and contractors had been working on his house, and a ladder was left up going right to his window. Whoa. Now he didn't have on his legs. So he felt very vulnerable and he grabs the gun that was under his bed and he walks on his stumps towards the bathroom. He screams at who he thinks is an intruder that has locked themselves now in the toilet room of the bathroom. You know how some bathrooms have like a separate little room.

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Yeah, like a cubicle thing.

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Now he yells at Riva to call the police, not wanting to take any chances on his life and hers. And he fires through the door four times. Then he yells at Riva again to call the police, but she's not responding. So he goes back into the bedroom and sees that she is actually not in bed sleeping. Now he's terrified. So he grabs a cricket bat, bangs down the bathroom door to find that he is actually shot. What? Rita. The fuck four times? Now she had received three of those four shots. One in the arm, one in the hip, and one through the head.

SPEAKER_04 20:11

But he's yelling out. So he says, right? We're getting it.

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Ah so now he is screaming and crying. He calls the manager of his property to call the police. He gathers Reva, brings her downstairs. Now Reva is still alive. Oh. But barely breathing and unconscious. And when the police arrive, Oscar has actually tried to stop her bleeding and is sobbing unconsolably. And unfortunately, Reva did not make it. She had passed away before the paramedics could even get there. Oscar had used hollow point bullets.

SPEAKER_04 20:52

Really?

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Now I did put in my notes. Explain what a hollow point bullet does.

SPEAKER_04 20:56

But it's not using a shotgun, right?

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Uh a pistol.

SPEAKER_04 21:00

A pistol with hollow points. Oh. What caliber was it?

SPEAKER_02 21:06

I don't know. Just explain to the listeners that may not know what hollow point bullets do.

SPEAKER_04 21:12

Generally, it it multiplies probably times 10, like by the time it intrudes into whatever and then and then swells up.

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It's like leaving shrapnel in your body.

SPEAKER_04 21:23

Well, it's also designed to swell up. So the lead, once it goes in, it actually expands. So uh nine millimeter the size of your pinky would be probably on the exit wound, uh a little bit bigger than your thumb. So it's it expands like a bunch. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

So they are meant to tear up the person that you're shooting at.

SPEAKER_04 21:49

Full on. Correct. Yeah, yeah. You can use a you can use a 22 even, and it's really like a a big impact. Ah, that's ah fucking hell, dude. Like that don't line up. The story's not right already. So I know this is some fuckery here.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

So the police take Oscar to the police station to, of course, ask him what happened, and he tells them the events that I just talked about. So everything that I just said was Oscar's side of the story.

The Shooting Story And Doubts

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But investigators, they suspect foul play. Like, why didn't you see if Reva was in the bed before you just start shooting? Why didn't Reva say, hey, it's me when you were supposedly screaming at the intruder before you started shooting? And also, it was 3 a.m. and Riva was fully dressed in regular clothes. Really? Mm-hmm. Like maybe uh and she had her phone on her. Like maybe she was hiding from Oscar after a fight and trying to call for help.

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All the talent in the world, but might not be talented enough to be a fucking murderer there, tink tink.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

And they found text messages from Riva to Oscar about how he had been nasty to her. She had had this public dispute with Oscar, who had criticized her in front of a group of friends. And on another occasion, uh they were riding with a friend in the car, and Riva asked to change the music, and later on, he lost his ever-loving shit on her and said that he that she humiliated him because he picked that song.

SPEAKER_04 23:32

He was on too much shit, too, right? Because you said that he was mixing like things like energy and all that.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

Well, and there is speculation that he was on testosterone, you know, things like that. Yeah, or uh steroids.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

Yeah, athletic stuff that he shouldn't have been doing, probably.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

Probably. Now, upon further investigation, an ex-girlfriend came out and said that Oscar was controlling, abusive, and a chronic cheater. In fact, he had cheated on this particular ex with Riva before he and Reva were exclusive.

SPEAKER_04 24:06

He done tinked around the block. Tinked.

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Now, Oscar's neighbor would say that she heard screams that sounded like that of a domestic dispute, particularly those of a woman who was screaming out of fear for her life.

SPEAKER_04 24:23

And then locked herself in the bathroom, was trying to call somebody to come fucking help, right?

SPEAKER_02 24:28

Riva was facing the door. Why would she be fully dressed and facing the door? They were yellowing at her. At 3 a.m. Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:37

And why wouldn't you reply? All everything does not line up. Even in the dramatic, holy shit, somebody's in my house, Lindsay's gonna yell back out of a dead sleep.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

If if you if I okay, if I'm in the bathroom, like our bathroom doesn't have a door, it has an archway. But if I'm in the bathroom and you're like, Whoa who's there? I'm gonna say it's me, it's me, it's okay, I'm okay. And you're not gonna shoot me, right? Correct?

SPEAKER_04 25:00

Okay, yeah. I mean, if I fart loud enough in my sleep, Lindsay wakes up like, y'all, and I'm a really deep sleeper. She'll come right the fuck out of it over a big old beef.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

But you're snoring. I can sleep through.

SPEAKER_04 25:15

Yeah, isn't that weird? Because I'd be sawing some logs. Y'all know I'm a big chested bastard over here, barrel chest old fucking grizzla bear.

Trial Verdict And Sentencing Twists

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Well, Oscar, he was arrested for a murder on February 15th, 2013, and the trial began March 3rd of 2014. And there were valid arguments on both sides, I have to be honest. Like, was it a tragic accident or was it cold-blooded murder? Now, after hearing all the evidence, for me, this is looking back, I mean, this has been 16 years ago, somewhere there, 15 years ago. It really sounds like he was guilty as fuck. Fuck yeah. Now the judge, so this wasn't a jury trial. Um, I think that they did in this area, they did away with that in the 60s.

SPEAKER_04 26:14

Really?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:16

What the hell?

SPEAKER_02 26:17

I should have written more history about that, but because that was very interesting to me how they did away with that. So it was just one judge who was doing the sentencing, and it was a female judge, and she acquitted Oscar of murder.

SPEAKER_04 26:30

Really?

SPEAKER_02 26:31

But found him guilty of culpable homicide and firearm-related charges of reckless endangerment. And in October, he was sentenced to just six years in prison.

SPEAKER_04 26:47

Not gonna happen in Florida, dude. Like if somebody's behind a door, you have you you can't get away with it. Even if they're in your own house. If they're behind a door and you fire into the door, knowing that they were behind it, you can't get away with it. I'm telling you. Like, if somebody comes into our house and gets in our bathroom and closes the door and I fire into the door, I'm probably gonna get fucked up over that. I'm for real.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

I mean, it was just, you know, like I said, the already, the previous abuse, and a lot of people were like, you know, they're they were only together four months. Four months total. That's just like insane to me. And she was a woman who spoke out against this. So a lot of people are like, maybe she already saw the signs, but was too ashamed to acknowledge them because here she was, this advocate against domestic violence and against things like that. And she's already seeing these signs in this dude. I mean, early on, because it was found in her text messages.

SPEAKER_04 27:50

In her past history, also, she had been through it and like the cloud of just bad relationships were following her.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

And this is a message, ladies, when y'all see them red flags, just it's not gonna get any better. It's not. Just go ahead and listen to your gut, listen to them red flags, save yourself the fucking heartache. So in 2015, Oscar was recommended for early release. 2015. This happened in 2013. He's out. Two years, ready to go. But the Supreme Court was no, he did get out very briefly. But the Supreme Court was like, uh, no. We are gonna overturn that culpable homicide sentence or charge, whatever, and we're gonna go ahead and convict you of actual murder. But the same judge that sentenced him before was still in charge of handing down the new sentence. And now this time it would be for a total of 13 years, including time served.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

Wouldn't that be insulting for a Supreme Court to actually overturn your own judgment and you're a judge? And it's like, what? I didn't do a good enough job. Y'all are calling me out like because judges.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

But they still left her in charge of sentencing again. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 29:08

Yeah, that's but and then left her in in power enough to be a judge.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Well, I mean, because that was, I mean, her family was fucking outraged. Now, it is said that her mother ended up forgiving him, and her father actually had a conversation with him before he passed away. I don't know how they felt and what the conversation was. And you know, a lot of people, especially religious people, they will forgive to not hang on to that baggage. Yeah, that would be a hard thing for me to forgive. So sorry.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

Well, yeah, because if you're in an argument bad enough to where you feel like you're gonna violently do something to somebody, just walk out the fucking door. And they can be yelling and screaming the whole time while you're watching. They did not. No. That had to have been like because like already reports of them riding in a car and yelling at each other and all kinds of crazy shit in public. I mean, they started right off rip. There was no new there. It was straight hate in their relationship and fucking visceral. Yeah, he had already been, he had already been fucking pissed at her in public and tinking around the block at the same time because like they were still new new. And he was just like, I'm still dicking out and I'm doing whatever I want to do.

SPEAKER_02 30:27

Yeah, and I mean it's like I don't know if she retaliated when she found out knowledge of things like that. Because I mean, that part, the violent part, was kept very quiet. Uh, or the the the abuse part, the whatever was going on in their relationship was not known because, like I said, she was posting happy go lucky shit on her social media. Um, because it's still a four-month relationship. It should still be very new, new and happy and bubbly.

SPEAKER_04 30:56

I mean, yeah, that he's he shouldn't even be farting in his sleep.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

I mean, you and I didn't have our first fight for like a year or more, like a real fight fight, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 31:07

Like full on, like this is a real argument now, okay. I don't even remember. You'll bet you remember. I bet you remember everything. I don't remember everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

But like I said, if it was an actual accident, that sucks for him for going. But the evidence proves that it wasn't.

SPEAKER_04 31:29

I'm shaking my fucking head. He the his testimony says it wasn't because he yelled out for her behind a bathroom door. I'm in here. You know what I'm saying? Uh that's the end of it.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

Well, his testimony said that he yelled at the intruder, like was yelling and cursing at them.

SPEAKER_04 31:46

And but like I said, right.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

I mean, like a yeah, you don't sleep through that. No. You know what I mean? No matter how heavy of a sleeper you are, nobody's gonna sleep through hearing their partner being panicked. If he was screaming at the intruder, why wouldn't she have just said, hey, it's me, I'm in the toilet. Right. Don't, you know, it's okay, everything's fine. Yeah. Hey, you behind the door. What the hell are you doing in my house type thing? And her would, she, I mean, in a regular situation like that, you would think that she would say, Hey, it's me, everything's cool, it's fine, it's me. I'm in the bathroom.

SPEAKER_04 32:27

Right. Knowing that he's just nubbing around the house trying to figure out what's going on. Right. And it all all that has to be like, no matter where you're at, you're gonna wake up.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Well, Oscar was released on parole in January of 2024, and he will remain on parole until 2029, and he lives with his uncle, and it is needless to say that he no longer has a career in sports.

Red Flags Domestic Violence Reality

SPEAKER_02 32:55

In sports. Now he does have a job, you know, that's part of his parole obligations.

SPEAKER_05 33:02

Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Uh, but yeah, it's not, he's not gonna. I mean, you never know because the world sometimes just forgets how shitty people were and then they make them famous again. You and I have talked about that privately.

SPEAKER_04 33:15

Let's just hope though, that he doesn't get a job at like bed, bath, and beyond.

SPEAKER_02 33:20

But my heart goes out to Reeva's family and friends because it's just fucking senseless. Right. Senseless fucking murder, whether it was accident or not. I don't believe it was. Sorry, the evidence says nah.

SPEAKER_04 33:37

No, and if you're advocating for awareness for that kind of situation, don't let yourself sink into a situation where you feel like you can make that better. No. Because you know, in four months already, you can't change them.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

No, not like that. No.

SPEAKER_04 33:55

No, hell no.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

Especially, you know, the time. I mean, he honestly, like at that point in his career, was very egotistical. That was very uh that was said by many people that were close to him and around him. Everything was about him, and he made it about him if it wasn't.

SPEAKER_04 34:13

So and hopped up on that big boy drug to make him feel like he's a better athlete, too.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Now, I mean, I did not find any evidence about that, so that's speculation. We'll say that. But the caffeine and the energy drinks, that was for real. Right.

SPEAKER_04 34:26

Pre-workout make you geek up right off, too. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:31

I don't know. The pre-workout that I use does not, and I'm very grateful that I found that. It's just like a vitamin-based, lower caffeine things like that. It's just like it helps you just keep going. Like when I get on my walk, I may start out slow, but once I'm in it, I'm like, whew, let me go, let me do this.

SPEAKER_04 34:47

Right. Yeah. No, do the heat.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:49

I had some at work one day, and this dude, you know, and it all depends on what kinds. I was like a freaking sasquatch, dude. I was like, dude, I'm I'm wide open and kind of oh, a little bit, you know? So I guess it's different.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

If you're not exuberating enough energy, oh yeah, builds up.

SPEAKER_04 35:08

Right.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

It's yeah, that makes you it it turns into like an anger aggression type thing.

SPEAKER_04 35:15

And if he had done that and went to sleep too, ooh. Build up, build up. Now, who knows? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

Exactly. And we will never ever really know the truth there. But like I said, the evidence based on the ex's testimony, uh, you know, friends saying how paranoid he was and how many guns he had and what he was doing, and you know, always at the shooting range. Like, there was even uh a video of him saying uh like he was practicing shooting at watermelons, and he was like, Oh, this is almost like brain tissue. Yeah, very normal type thing.

SPEAKER_04 35:51

Yeah, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

Crazy, crazy, but yeah, that's the story of uh not so poor little tink tink. All the talent in the world. But I do encourage you guys to, and this was a time when he was still, you know, a wholesome person, uh, about four years before all of this, uh, when Cat Williams did that skit. That whole I'm gonna have to look it up.

SPEAKER_04 36:14

Yeah, because you feel inspired about that, you know? I mean, somebody that has that much talent and overcome all their disabilities and change that into a whole Olympic star athlete, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

And it's just to me, it's like a waste because you had all this talent, all this ability, and you just let this fame and everything just go to your head, and you just I mean, it to me that's always really I I I I say fascinating, but not in like a good way fascinating. It's always crazy to me how you watch people when they do get so much fame, not all of them, some of them stay humble and and cool, but some of them just like they feel like they're untouchable, and it seems like those are the ones that always have a downfall to this caliber.

SPEAKER_04 37:06

Yeah, who's the most humble person that you've ever met that's famous? That I've ever met? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

I mean, you put me on the spot here. Yeah, well, I can't think to. I wanted to. I mean, I had we didn't like physically meet him, but it seemed like Corey Taylor was very fucking humble.

SPEAKER_04 37:24

Wasn't he?

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Very fucking humble. He like we saw him at um the uh it's called Scaradice Now. Yes, formerly Spucala. And he was just like hanging out with us common folk, watching his wife perform with the cherry bombs and recording her. Yeah, when he spoke to the channel.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

And Jesse interrupted. Well, he spoke to me like a normal ass dude. Like he's like, Oh, you're fine, bro. Like, I was like, Lindsay, Corey Taylor just told me I'm fine.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

I was like, and then Skee Ulrich and Matthew Lilliard that cast of the original scream, like they were very down to earth.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

I kind of think that anybody that goes to cons, if you're famous, like you kept down to earth, right? Kevin Smith was a very humble dude. Yeah. Jack Osborne.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

Jack Osbourne, absolutely. Had a whole conversation.

SPEAKER_04 38:13

And kept kept us at the table. Richard Brake, I mean, people like that. Yeah. So you really have to be down to earth, and that that's your outgoing giving back to people that do appreciate all your talents. That's amazing. But oh my goodness, Lindsay, what a story.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

I mean, oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 38:32

Whoa.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

I mean, it's devastating.

SPEAKER_04 38:33

Tank tank. Come on, tank tank.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

And poor, I mean, poor Reva. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 38:38

Well, I just have to say, once again, thank you very much, Lindsay. Thank you so much for your horrific story again, dude. I thought this was gonna be a good thing or something different. All the stars in the world. And you put one out, and he put two of them out. He put his self out, too, you know? So awareness, awareness. Don't get yourself in that situation.

SPEAKER_02 39:07

No, no, always listen to your gut and pay attention to the red flags, instincts and all the things, right?

SPEAKER_04 39:16

Yeah. And if you see old Tink Tick at Bed, Bath, and Beyond, just go the other way.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

Well, I don't think he's gonna be around these parts. Anyhow. Yeah, anyhow.

Summer Jam Spotlight Ballyhoo

SPEAKER_02 39:29

So, Jesse, it's your turn. What amazing band do you have picked out for us this week?

SPEAKER_04 39:34

I have decided to pick out an iconic summer band out of the plumage that I see that blossoms around me in my lifetime, Lindsay. Okay. We went and seen this amazing band called Bally Who some years back.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Yeah, they opened up for Flog and Molly. Wasn't that cool?

SPEAKER_04 39:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

And Less than Jake. Yeah. I saw him twice.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Yeah. Oh, didn't we get a CD or something? We gave it to Landon. Landon, yes. So hit him up. He said, sure, man, play our stuff. And they got some new stuff out. But the song I'm playing is gonna be off some of their older stuff. But definitely check out Ballyhoo. They got some amazing ass songs. Lindsay, I am so fucking honored to be able to share this band.

SPEAKER_02 40:17

Yeah, that's amazing because they've been around a long time.

SPEAKER_04 40:20

And they're badass and they're humble ass dudes. Speaking of famous people, these guys are global, so they're and they're just like, Yeah, yeah, they can play our stuff, whatever, cool, man. Whatever. So awesome. Summer Jam, put this shit on your playlist right now. This song is called Swim. Let's rock this thing. That is your summer jam, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_02 44:09

Oh my god. I love Ballyhoo so much. Such a cool, smooth vibe. And so they're from Maryland. Is that right?

SPEAKER_04 44:19

Yeah, I believe so.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

And uh you can find them on Instagram under Bally Who Rocks. And they're on Spotify. They've got a new album coming out on August 28th called Bad Summer. And they have released one uh new single called Cali Girl 2.

SPEAKER_04 44:36

And that is out already. And you can pre-download right now. That's what they're looking for right now. He's looking for I was I was seeing the singer on the socials and all the things. He's like, hey, you know, go ahead and pre-download all of the new album that's coming out, and we want to be here to support them, dude. Yes, we're gonna check that out as soon as it comes out.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

We'll check out Cali Girl too tomorrow on our day at the river.

SPEAKER_04 44:59

All of their catalog is amazing. Summer jams, that's what we're here for.

SPEAKER_02 45:03

Yes, and make sure you guys follow us.

Where To Follow And Support

SPEAKER_02 45:08

We're on all the things. Uh, you can go except we're not on uh Twitter or X is what it is. We haven't done that yet. Um, because there's been a lot of controversy with that app. So I'm just like I'm staying away from it. Um, so you can go straight to our main website, drinkaboutsomething.site, and you can follow us straight from there. So Instagram, we're drinkabout something. Uh, if you want to send us an email, we're drinkaboutsomething pod at gmail.com. We do sporadic lives on TikTok, and that is drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay. And where are we at on YouTube, Jesse?

SPEAKER_04 45:41

Well, oh, I'm still swaying, dude. I'm still swimming.

SPEAKER_02 45:44

Literally still over here swaying.

SPEAKER_04 45:45

Yeah, swim is cool. All of their songs are so freaking phenomenal. Um, so yeah, on YouTube, if you just go to YouTube and type in Gen Z, J-E-N-D-S-E-Y. And uh, that is our handle for the creator of Gen Z or YouTube or our Drink About Something or whatever the things. All the things you can see videos and things that we do too, so that's fine, right?

SPEAKER_02 46:09

Yes, yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 46:10

Yeah, and uh, you know, get on Drink About Something Outside and you can click on the old merch tab there and buy a little bit of merch.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

Yes, support some. It's cute merch. I got a shirt. Yeah, we got friends that got shirt. We got a shirt all the way over in Australia, Australia.

SPEAKER_04 46:25

Yeah, we sent them out to our number one fans. So help support, share, and do all the things, and we'll pick you out and maybe send you something. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

Oh, and also I looked it up uh off mic. Uh, so I don't know why I'm looking at this paper. Um, the special where you get the Cat Williams special was called It's Pimpin', Pimpin'. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

I love Cat Williams. He's just so good, man. I'm gonna tell you, man, Kat Williams is my dog.

SPEAKER_02 46:49

Hey, that's all the way from 2008. So that's coming. What was the movie we watched the other day that had Cat Williams in it? Oh my god, what was that called? I just picked a random movie that had Ed Helms in it and uh a couple of other really big name stars like Terry Bradshaw.

SPEAKER_04 47:08

Fuck, we should know it. He was a hitchhiker and they picked him up, and he's all like tied up with a garden hose and some electrical cord. Father figures. Yes, father figures, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 47:18

That movie made us laugh so quite. Christopher Walken was in it. It was great.

SPEAKER_04 47:26

Terry Bradshaw took him in playing football with him.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

Glenn Close and Christopher Walken was in it.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

Yes, it was so good, it was so awesome, man.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

Uh, but anyhow, Lindsay, we're gonna get the hell off here.

SPEAKER_04 47:37

We got things to do.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

Yes, we got food to prep. We are recording this before the fourth, but uh this comes out after the fourth. So I hope you guys had a happy and safe fourth.

SPEAKER_04 47:46

Yes, for sure. Yeah, I'm glad you met us back here and keep sharing and keep you know doing all the subscriptions and all the things. We love you so much.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Bye.