Breakfast Drinks And Friday Vibes

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Good morning, Jesse. Good morning. What are you having to drink today?

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I'm still uh nursing on Bloody Mary number two.

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Oh, that's number two. I'm still on number one. So that's what I'm having to drink today. We are recording on a sats dai morning. And we were at we decided to have a breakfast sesh. But this will be coming out to you just on Friday like normal. Yeah. But just a little, you know, day in the life with us. Jesse, get that intro rolling.

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We're getting ready to be ready already and happy Friday, everyone.

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Come and hang with us.

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I went better.

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But it's still not early. Like it's it's almost ten. It's still morning.

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Yeah, it's morning.

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It's morning.

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I love your whole crumfit like persona. Dude, I love it. It is like, yes.

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Do I look like I should be drinking some tea and not a black a mare?

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I'm just gonna be quiet on this. Relish the situation here.

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Oh my goodness. So there's this chick on TikTok that um reviews food like in her bathrobe, and she's wild, okay? Like she is crazy. It's so funny to watch. And she switches between British and American, and I'm not sure if she's Chinese or Japanese. So one of those three languages, and it's really funny. Like she's like, you don't know what she's gonna sound like next. She's having fun. She's having fun. And that's what we're here to do.

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Lindsay, can

What Made Us Feel Old

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I ask you first? Go ahead.

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So, Lindsay, I was just gonna ask you what made you feel old this week. So, did you know that this year marks the 41 year anniversary of Back to the Future?

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41 years.

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Take a drink on that.

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Of Doc and Marty.

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Millennials, yeah. And Gen X.

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Quit. And Boomers, if you're listening.

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Hey Boomers.

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I think you just made everybody feel old. Yeah. What made everyone feel old this week? That's you. Yeah. Marty McFly. Oh. You know, my friends. Such a great series, man. Michael J. Fox is just a great ass human being. And he's still like just still going out and kicking ass either way. I love his just the light that he shines. You know, I just love it. I really do. And it's so cute to see them get together with Christopher Lloyd. It was just so cute. Odd. 41 years, though.

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41 years from the first one. That was the first one. Wow. That was when the DeLorean made its debut.

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Back in 1985.

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Something like that, yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Because we were born and you were born in, you're gonna be 44. No, shit. You're gonna be 45 and were born in 81. I'm gonna be 44 and was born in 82. Yeah.

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Oh.

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I was saying, and I got two friends getting closer to their 50s, and one friend who's just about to be 40, and then one friend that's about to be 30. So it's I got this whole spectrum of friendship. They all hang, though. Yes, they all hang. Yeah. Friendship knows no age. Well, I mean, it does kind of somewhat. I've had a I've had friends several years older than me, especially working in the restaurant industry. You got three generations right now. Like I was hanging out with 50-year-olds when I was in my 20s and had a blast. Like them ladies could get out. But, anyways, are you ready?

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Yeah.

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Oh, wait, what made you feel old this week?

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I was hoping you would forget. So I was at work the other day and I was explaining to a kid at work.

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And when you say kid, what's the age? What's the actual age?

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19.

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Oh, okay, that's a kid. Yeah.

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We were working on something that was older than he was. And that really made me feel old. It's like this truck is 30 years old, dude. They quit selling the parts before you were born.

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Fuck.

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Yeah, yeah. Because I called up like the OEM like supplier, and he's like, dude, I haven't sold this in 20 years. I was like, damn, dude.

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I see that, and I raise you. Oh god. That there are kids that were born that I work with now the year I started at my job. I guess you too, yeah. Yep.

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Um, I mean, I had 19, yeah. Yeah, Lindsay, you can't, yeah, yeah, just say it.

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It just kind of blows your mind when you just think, sit and think about that. Like, yeah, it really wasn't a raising there.

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I think you just added another can of gasoline on the fire. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you so much. And then you know what you're gonna do right now, and I don't. So this was

Who Patty Hearst Is

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what you do.

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Okay, so ladies and gentlemen of the audience and Jesse, uh, ladies, gentlemen, uh, days, them, all of my friends. So this is a monster case that I don't know why I threw in the bag for Jesse to draw out. Um, but I'm I'm really getting through it. I'm doing my best. I just want y'all to know that I did a lot of my research. This is gonna be a two-parter.

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Monster.

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Yeah.

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How should I feel?

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And you're cut off.

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Copyright. I'm friends with Dia Franklin. Come on.

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No, come on. Uh you ain't friends with her. You follow her. Jesse is the weird guy that thinks because he follows somebody that they're friends.

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Talk to her twice. Shut up.

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Anywho, uh, so this is a monster case. Huge, huge, huge part of the 70s. And I was presented with one source of information and then found later on in the week several more sources that conflict with the other sources. So I'm doing my best here. Um like I said, this is a monster case, and we're gonna go ahead and get into it. So to so today we are drinking about Patricia Campbell Hearst. And she was born February 20th, 1954. That's the same year as my parents.

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Yeah.

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And she was born in San Francisco. That was in Cal that's in California, for any of our globalists that don't know where San Francisco is. And she was the third of five girls born to Randolph Apperson Hearst.

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Okay.

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I don't know, but okay, it's not dinging any bells. And then her mother was Catherine Wood Campbell.

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Campbell sounds familiar.

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Well, suit.

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But yeah.

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So Patty was an American heiress to the Hearst Communications. Hearst Communications is a multinational mass media and business information conglomerate and was founded by Patty's grandfather, William Randolph Hearst.

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That sounds familiar. You keep looking at me, you're like, You're supposed to know all this, you historian, historian over here.

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Like, I don't fucking know it. William Randolph Hearst, do you know the movie Citizen Kane?

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I've heard of it.

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I've probably the whole movie is based off of him. And it pissed him off so much that he actually tried to fight to he wanted it canceled. Yeah. Yeah, he wanted it canceled. Wait if Randolph Hearst is up.

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How dare you be talking shit about me? He's a who's I betcha.

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So the Hearst. They own newspapers, magazines, TV channels, and TV stations. And uh as of 2024, Hearst Communications is worth about $13 billion. Yes, do the Dr. Evil. In 1880, Patty's great-grandfather, George Hearst, was a mining entrepreneur and a U.S. senator, briefly. And uh he bought the San Francisco Daily Examiner. Then he turned that over to William Randolph, who founded Hearst Communications. So this family had, I said had money, but they has money. And uh they are very well known. All right.

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Uh all right.

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Well, you know, it's crazy too. All right. Well, like I said, so Patty was third of five girls, and Randy, her father, is one of five boys. And William Randolph really didn't like his boys because he he spoiled them and then they grew up and then they drank too much and shit. So they only offer, he offered them like seats on the board, but it was like bottom of the totem pole seats and stuff. So just remember all that. Like, this is a cushy family, but like disposable cash isn't in their hand. And as kids of families like this, they have a lot of pressure on them from the get-go to act a certain way and be a certain way. And Patty, well, she was the rebel. The family was devout Catholic, and Patty could care less about Catholic traditions. They sent her to a Catholic boarding school and she kind of terrorized the nuns. I mean, she she was she was the middle child.

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So them rich ass kids was running a mug. Yes.

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And then they sent her to a finishing school to turn her into a proper lady, but that didn't work. Patty was a nonconformist, and remember that as we go on. She is, she don't conform. She's raging against the machine? Right. Okay. Now she when she was in high school, she actually started dating a teacher. And now this teacher was only four years older than her, but still, that shit would not fly today at all. She was grown, but she, you know, teacher, student. I mean, and it was still taboo back then, but it was, I mean. Yeah, yeah.

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There's there's just so many twists and turns, I guess, into that, in the thought process of things, but only four years, you also think about that. But then again, you think about like somebody that's doing her grading and things, you know, a teacher. Right.

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Well, he was, he was, no, because that is one thing in the book I read called American Heiress. Um, that was one thing. Like Steven like graded, like he didn't let the Hearst family threat get to him because he he taught her sisters too.

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Okay. He wasn't swayed by right. Okay. Still, it's still uh, you know? Yeah.

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Well, and then so he was a I don't know if he was a teacher at Berkeley as well as a student, but he was still a student at Berkeley because he was going further up in his education while being a teacher. And Patty gave up going to an Ivy League school to also attend Berkeley. Patty and her teacher boyfriend named Stephen Weed would end up moving in together. And Patty

Privilege Pressure And Rebellion

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was like, she like went straight into being a little homemaker by the age of 19. She was still going to school. And in 1974, she was a uh, I believe it was either a sophomore or a junior at Berkeley studying art history. Now she had wanted to be a veterinarian, but Steve told her that she would not be able to master the math and science required for this major. So she changed art history. Now that's a big difference. Big difference.

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Yeah.

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Now it's said that Patty was very close with her father and liked to do a lot of this like boy type stuff, like hunting and fishing, and you know, like I said, what you would consider dude type things, especially in that day and age, especially in the 70s. But her mom really wanted her to be a debutante, socialite, proper lady of wealth. But like I said, that wasn't. Patty was a rebel and wanted to do her own thing. She was a different shaped puzzle. Yes. And she even got a job with, you know, the regular folk at a department store and found out that the real world was very different than that of the world that she had been brought up in.

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Yeah, kind of like the difference between watching Game of Thrones and then Knights of the Seven Kingdom.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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It's like our analogy, I think, right? Absolutely. Yeah. And then Egg would be our little patty because he There you go.

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Yeah. See, full circle.

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Got it. He was wanting to be, he was just wanting to be a regular boy. He was wanting to be a squire.

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So in all the conversations that we have here, Lindsay, I think it's just all ties back to George R.R. Martin. I do think so. Everything. Ever in mind. And Kat Williams. Yeah. That is our that's.

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Actually, we've we've compared shit to a lot of other shit.

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To break down our podcast, I think it's just Cat Williams, George R.R. Martin, and Jim Carrey. Okay, never mind. It's a good one. Yeah, we got a lot.

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We got a large spectrum there. It's cool though that we can tie things that we talk about to shit we grew up with and are still growing up with. Yes. Yes. So Patty and Steve, they get, you know, they get into like this mundane type situation, which makes me always think of the fucking pina colada song. The same old lame routine. Um but Patty and Steve still end up getting engaged. Like Steve kind of actually bored Patty to death, but she she was hanging out. So I'm pretty sure that was like December of 73. And like I said, Patty is a hearse. So announcements were everywhere. She was the heiress to a multimedia conglomerate. So on top of her and Steve's engagement, even the location of her and Steve's apartment was announced. So for the youngsters out there, she was completely doxxed.

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Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. It's a Princess Diana grunning.

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Well, I mean, she goes from living in basically like a castle to an apartment at Berkeley.

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And which was about the time, I think, when Princess Di was doing her shit over there, right? I mean, like they're just trying to name royalty with like money fame type shit.

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I think that was the 80s.

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Oh, yeah. Yes, maybe it was.

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Yeah, this is early 70s. I think that was around, I think that was 80s. Yeah. Because she died in like the mid-90s.

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But we all like globally was like, yes, she didn't conform. She was doing her own thing. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, I get it. Yeah.

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Now, like I said, they already had a mundane type of routine. They did, they had dinner, they watched TV, and they did schoolwork before bed every night. Until

The Night Patty Is Taken

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the night of February 4th, 1974. So Patty was in, I mean, she was literally in her underwear and a bathrobe and some slippers. That was her nighttime thing. She was at the table doing schoolwork, and Steve was watching Mission Impossible. That I didn't, I didn't know that was a TV show back in the day. We grew up with the movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tom Cruising. Help me, Tom Cruise. So sometime after 9 p.m., there was a knock at the door, and Patty was in, like I said, her bathrobe and slippers, and that was it in some underwear. Just remember that. And she could see someone was knocking because it was like a glass type door to the patio. And there was a distressed-looking young woman who said she was having a problem with her car. She actually said that she had hit another car in the parking lot and asked if she could use their phone. But before Patty or Steve could say anything, this woman and two other men barge through the door. One guy hit Steve over the head so hard that he was laid out. And then both men flip him down on his face so Steve couldn't see them and just started kicking the shit out of him.

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Fuck.

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And he was begging them, just take whatever you want. Just take whatever you want. Just please stop. And then Patty is blindfolded and kidnapped.

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Holy shit. I thought it was going toward like a clockwork orange type situation, but it's a big thing.

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No, she's an heiress. Ransom. Okay.

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Yeah.

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So neighbors hear gunshots and then they hear the patio door basically like shatter and explode, and then some screams. So they call the police, but the police would not arrive for some time, which is weird because they're in an apartment and you would think that there would just be a cop like two blocks down, if that. So Patty is thrown into the trunk of a car, and the men just start shooting at random bystanders to keep anyone from approaching. Now, like I said, this apartment complex is in Berkeley. So there were quite a few bystanders. The men with Patty in the trunk are in one car. And then the woman, she gets in another car, and then they speed off into the night.

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So they're fully committed to keeping everyone away. This is big.

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I told you this is one of the biggest things that happened in the 70s.

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This is big. No, this is big. They are gonna do this damn mission. Whatever the fuck.

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Like I said, when I've been researching this week, I was regretting putting this name in the bag. I mean, not that it's an amazing case, but it's a lot for me as a person with no research helpers. Yeah, to Hollywood standards, you couldn't ride it any better than reality. Right. Yeah. Now, five miles down the road, they get into a different car, a station wagon, and then just they throw her Patty in the back, cover her with a blanket, and take off again. And they abandon that car because that one was stolen. They had kidnapped the guy that owned that car too. And they they ended up letting him go. But yeah, so there's there's a lot going on. There was a lot thought out about it. Yeah, there was a lot of thought put into this. Well, kind of. It's like some Oceans 11 type shit.

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Yeah, they had a whole ass plan. Take it down the casino. We're gonna make our own.

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Yeah.

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Now, Patty, she's a fighter and she's trying to get out of her restraints and asking what the fuck they wanted. And then the leader of the group was like, shut the fuck up, or I'm gonna kill you. But then another dude reached back and held her hand under the blanket. So like it's like she's like, uh fault security here. Like he was like, it's okay, girl, just chill out. But you keep throwing nublets out and think it's a family thing. Shut up. But needless to say, Patty is terrified. For some reason, every fucking time that I write Patty, or not every time, but a lot, the the tablet auto-corrected it to party.

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I have no idea what this is, but do the brothers have anything to do with this?

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What brothers?

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Her father's brother, her conkles. No, no, not at all. The shitty shitty conkles. No. Okay, okay. I just I'm trying to put it together. It just seems like it's some inner. No, it's okay. Let me get there. Okay. Yes. Oh, okay.

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So after what seemed like forever to a person being held captive, the car finally stopped and Patty was led into a house that she said smelled earthy and musty. Now she starts to panic because, and she's and she starts, she's kicking and screaming because a memory of a story that she had just heard about in the news flashed across her thoughts. There had been another woman just a couple of years back that had been kidnapped for ransom and was buried alive. And Patty couldn't help but think that this would also be her fate. But it was not. Her story will be extremely different. So Patty was thrown into a closet by her captors where she was still blindfolded and now in the dark. So who

Meet The Symbionese Liberation Army

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the fuck were these people that had just abducted her? Well, the three that had come to her apartment were Nancy Ling Perry, Bill Harris, and Donald DeFries. And these three were a part of a group of multiracial militant revolutionaries who called themselves the Symbayonese Liberation Army. Still not ringing a bell for you? I'm just dead. Or SLA for shirt. For shirt, for short. For shard. For shart. Now, Donald DeFries was the SLA leader. Now he goes by, I have all their names listed out here and all their aliases. So I'm gonna go through them as we go. They're part of the SLA.

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Stop.

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In SLA, the tacos are always better in SLA.

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Okay, so Donald Defrize was the SLA leader, and here's a little bit of his background. So Donald was a dropout from Cleveland, Ohio, and had started getting in trouble with the law at age 14 when he made his well way over to LA.

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Was it South LA? So you can say I'm just ripping SLA.

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So it's speculated that he had been an informant for the LAPD in the 60s because this man was just a lifelong fucking career. Criminal, okay. So, and he had been married and had kids. He would be the oldest of this group. He was in his 30s at this time. But the crimes that he committed, he didn't get very harsh sentences for these crimes that he was committing. So that's why it's speculated that he was um an informant. Yeah. Because he was getting a little bit cushier. Uh what's the word I'm looking for? Yeah, convictions. Yeah, and going to cushier prisons. Yeah, I got you. Like he would go to Vacaville instead of San Quentin, you know, things like that. Now, while in prison, he joined the Black Cultural Association or the BCA. Now, this was supposed to be an educational group to help prepare prisoners to return to society. But somehow it turned into a political radicalism group, and they were finding recruits. And he recruited William Wolfe, Russ Little, Rob Steiner, and then a former Black Panther named Pharaoh Wheeler. And then Donald escaped prison on March 5th, 1973, and he hid out with some friends in Oakland. And then he went to live with another SLE founder, oh fuck. Patricia Soltici. Yes, that's how you say it. Yeah, you know. Patricia Sulticic, who went by Ms. Moon. And Donald would go by General Field Marshal Sin Q Mantume. That was his name for the Liberation Army.

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You couldn't write this better. This is a lot stacked up with a lot of cool. Yeah, so Sin Q. But gold shit.

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Sin Q Matume was his name, but he went by Sin, which is C-I-N, not S-I-N. And then Ms. Moon went, who, which was already a nickname, she would go by Galena. So his inspiration for the name Sin Q was from Joseph Sin Q, who had led the rebellion on the Amistad. And then he went by Sin Q Matume, and Matume means prophet in Swahili. So a lot of these members will use Swahili names. And by the summer of 73, he had also recruited Joe Romero, Angela Atwood, and William and Emily Harris. On November 6th, 1973, the SLA murdered a black man named Marcus Foster, who was the superintendent of Oakland School District. And this was one of the first black school representatives of all time. For fuck's sake. And this is a black radicalism group. So they did this just because they thought, did not know for sure. They

Marcus Foster Murder And The Fallout

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thought that he supported an identification system for students that they didn't agree with. So in Sin's mind, he's thinking that this identification process is going to basically like a mark of the beast type situation. This is just in his head. This isn't facts.

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They've created cult kind of fucking charismatic.

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Yes. They are creating scenarios in their head that they're not.

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Right.

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And then now when you look at it today, there's a cop in every fucking school. And this is what he was against. He didn't want cops in cops in schools. He didn't want kids to be policed and be identified. I don't know. Fuck put five of them in every school. But you got to think that these are the these uh some of these folks back in the in this day that, you know, because there was a lot of radicalism groups at this time. 70s was fucked. But a lot of them just, you know, peacefully protested and did things like through paperwork. Um, but the SLA was like, nah, brah. It's violence or nothing. Damn. So, like I said, they thought that he supported this uh system that they didn't agree with, so they just assassinated him while he was leaving a school board meeting and heading to another one, like working his ass off. Right, for everyone. Yeah. And in fact, Marcus had withdrawn support from this identification system, but they didn't get that memo.

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Oh, um, uh, oh shit. Oh, my bad.

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So when Patty hears that her abductors say you've been taken, well, basically, they said you've been arrested by the Symbayanese Liberation Army, she knew these people were killers.

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Oh.

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That was in the that it was in the paper. I mean, this was recent. They just formed in 73 and already had committed this murder, and then now they have abducted her in the early months of 74.

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So they're on a fucking roll. On a roll. Not a good one, no. Oh god.

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So Patty was indeed kidnapped for ransom, but they didn't give terms of a ransom for quite some time. So at first, the SLA sent a letter to the station manager of KPFA Radio. And inside was Patty's gas credit card. It was like a mobile oil credit card. And this letter basically said that she was a prisoner of war, arrested by the court of the people. And if authorities attempt to come after them, Patty would be executed, and all communications must be published in all forms of media. And it was signed. SLA, death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people. Yeah. Nah. Okay. I mean, if they weren't what I'm gonna tell you they become, it might have been a little different.

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Yeah.

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But I don't know. It's great.

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You're fucking up right off rip, anyhow. Either way, you're fucking up right off rip. Your cool club is not a cool ass club.

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Right. So the station manager then turned over the letter and the credit card to the FBI, who then presented it to the Hearst family. And they had received one as well. The Hearst family's letter said that Patty was being held until Joe Romero and Russell Little, who were members of the SLA, that had been arrested in the assassination of Marcus Foster, uh, and said that they would continue killing until Joe and Russell were freed. Now there was no information on how to communicate back, but I'm guessing that they wanted them to answer back through the media. Because that's what they're doing. They're sitting in this apartment and then they're just watching TV and reading news articles.

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So their little click thinks like they can just have full control and doing whatever the fuck they want to.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. So the FBI actually already knew before they even received this communication that it was them. Because when they killed Marcus Foster, the bullets that they used were coded or injected. I don't know how they did it, but they had cyanide in them. But it really didn't

Ransom Demands And A Statewide Food Plan

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do anything to help. I I don't know what their point of was. But so cyanide gives off the smell of almonds, right? Well, when they kidnapped Patty, they left behind the casings.

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The casings.

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And and I think they left a whole box of them.

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But it's gonna burn off the so, but yeah, they're so it really didn't make any sense.

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Okay. So anyway, so they leave behind, it was like a calling card, like, hey, this was us, we were here, these cyanide bullets that smelled like almonds. And so the FBI had already kind of figured out that it was them. Now they knew that the SLA had killed Marcus Foster. They hadn't caught them yet, other than Joe and Russell, because they were living in what they called a safe house. So they go and when they get an inkling that this house may have been detected, they left behind all their shit and burned it down.

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They found all that kind of thing.

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Well, yeah, so they burned the house down, but the FBI still found plenty of evidence to know that it was them, but they just didn't know where the rest of the members were to arrest them. So Joe, uh, so Joe Ramirez and Russell Little are now in San Quentin. So authorities would definitely not be releasing what they thought was two murderers. So they had to wait to hear from the SLA about uh, you know, what they were what they weren't were supposed to do next. And this would be a few days. This is all while Patty sits blindfolded in a closet. So then the KPFA receives an audio recording. Now this time it was of Patty. And Patty says, Mom and dad, I'm not harmed. Like that's like the famous words like that she opened up with. And then she reads a message from that the SLA had written out for her to say. Like I said, she said she was unharmed and that the press was making them out to be worse than they were. And the SLA wants every person in California who receives food assistance and also um welfare, disability, all the things. The SLA wants everybody in the state of California to be on these programs to receive $70 worth of food to be picked up at designated grocery stores around the state. And it would need to be five stores within each community, and it needs to be high-quality food, not just shit. And uh people should be able to voice their discontent if they were not being treated well. And other revolutionary groups must be the ones to distribute the group. Now, after all this was released to the media, and many, many other revolutionary groups were pissed off that they found that they're kind of being brought into this because they didn't like the SLA. They were mad that the SLA had killed Marcus Foster. Like even the Black Panthers, like everything, they were like, nah, fuck the SLA. Okay.

unknown 32:14

Right.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Everything about this.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Yeah, they're already they're already canceled and they don't know it.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

Yeah, their club is not a cool ass club. Everybody's like, no, this club, no, this is not a cool club.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

And they didn't condone this behavior and not were so and were not supportive of domestic terrorism. And California residents said that they were willing, they were actually willing to help with these demands to help, you know, they just wanted to make sure Patty got home safe. Because, I mean, how are you gonna coordinate a machine like that? How do you find out how many people were actually on food assistance throughout the entire humongous state of California?

SPEAKER_02 32:51

The whole state, not even the town, not even the city.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

Well, like I said, so one source said the whole state. Another source said the was it five or seven major cities in California was to to have this food distribution.

SPEAKER_02 33:05

Yeah, and they're just their unrealistic demands is never going to be met. Well, there's no fucking way, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

There's no Randy is going to try. Daddy Randy, uh Daddy Randolph, he actually tried really hard to make it work by creating a program called People in Need or Pin. Now, this became quite the chaos, as you can imagine. Um, there people got arrested. There were riots. Um, some of the distribute uh distributors acted hostily and just started throwing food at people. It became an ordeal, became an ordeal. But another organization called Western Edition Project Area Committee, or WAPAC, came in and took over to help get more organized. Now, guess who else tried to insert himself in this uh organization to feed the poor?

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Around this time before he went to Guyana.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

I would think uh Mr.

PIN Chaos And Reagan’s Reaction

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Dark Sunglasses himself there.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Jimothy Jones. Yes, y'all. He has made another appearance.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

Oh he's gonna make a few more. I kind of like your club. Your club's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

He didn't like the He accident, actually accidentally, he actually thought he should be the one to be doing this drive, doing this food drive.

SPEAKER_02 34:31

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

Yeah, well, in the area that he was in, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Could you imagine? He was in San Francisco at that time, right? Oh, they would have all hooked up at that time. Ooh. Woo! Lord Jeez. Lord Jeez.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

I know. I just thought that like when you and when you guessed it, I just got chills. I'm like, you know the powder of the Jones.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Well, I'm thinking there's somebody behind all this that's speaking just as good as he's.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Yeah, this is that was so that was like uh about four years before he went to Guyana, right? Oh, yeah. Somewhere in there. By the way, folks, if this is your first time, we do have a four-parter on the gentleman that we just mentioned named Jim Jones. Yeah. And the People's Temple. Oh, and the People's Temple.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

That was so perfect, Lindsay. Yeah. I like that voice of yours. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Yeah. The People's Temple. So another message comes through from the SLA uh around Patty, or actually on Patty's 20th birthday, saying that uh we see your efforts, but we need you to do better. Now they had previously asked for a contribution of $2 million, and now they wanted six. Now, this was to be contributed to the poor and needy. And Randy was like, I can't do $4 million. Or, no, he said, I can do four million, and that actually wasn't even out of his own pocket. Okay, so he got this distribute food distribution running in just a few days. And I don't even know how he did that, but he didn't have millions just sitting in a vault. In Sin Q's mind, in Sin's mind, he thinks that everybody that is rich just has this vault. Like even when he kidnapped Patty in her Berkeley apartment with her teacher boyfriend, he thought he literally asked, Where's the safe? Where's the safe? Right. Like they just had a safe sitting in their apartment full of full of golds.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

Yeah, you wouldn't teach me a drop. Don't get all your damn money. Where's your money? Yeah, no, no, no, no. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

So, like I said, they they uh initially asked for two, then they wanted six. Randy's like, I can maybe do four, but all of their money, like he doesn't really, he doesn't have cash on hand. His money is all in trusts. His father, William Randolph Hearst, made sure of that shit. That it was not something that they could just easily access. It's gonna take business days. It's gonna take, and and and a board has to approve it. Like they had a nice home, they had a summer home, they lived very well, they had access to a lot of things, but cash on hand just wasn't one of them.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

Yeah, they send that shit in in in a bank somewhere where the money is making money.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Right. And you've got to get a lot of approval to get it out.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

A lot. Yeah, you can walk

Inside The Safe House

SPEAKER_02 37:20

in and get out like 10 grand, but other than that, that's about it today. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

Now, so over in the SLA safe house, where Patty is in the closet, three members were assigned to keep watch over her and her shifts. Now, this would be Angela Atwood, who goes by General Galena, Nancy Ling, who goes by Fuck, let me find hers. Fahiza. And Willie Wolf, who goes by Kuja. Now, a lot of people um have misinterpreted this to Kujo, but it was actually I think it was Kaja, is how you actually pronounced his Swahili alias. Kaja. I'm not 100% sure.

unknown 38:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

But we're gonna go with that. But I'm gonna call them by their actual names. But so, but just know that Patty only knows them by these aliases.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

They're gang names.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

They're gang names. Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

Gang, gang, gang, gang.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

So in the beginning of the kidnapping, the SLA would keep her restrained and blindfolded. Like I said, she's still naked. They have now taken off her bathrobe and they're all the girls in the house are sharing it. Yeah. She's just in her underwear in his closet. Okay. So they would blast music into the closet while they would have their little meetings. So she couldn't hear what they were talking about. But after a few days, the restraints were removed and they would let her take her blindfold off, but they would wear ski masks so she couldn't see them. But this would this would be a while. So she's still very disoriented. They're not really feeding her a lot. Like they were living off of fucking mung beans and and and pento beans and shit, like out of a can.

SPEAKER_02 39:07

There were warriors.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

We are at battle.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

I think she went in like somewhere over, a little over a hundred pounds and was ended up being like 87. Fah. Yeah. So they would have her read various Marxist and revolutionary texts. Um, the main book that they would have her read, I'm going to my side notes here, was um Blood in My Eye by George Jackson, who had been a member of the Black Panthers. And he was an actual revolutionary who was trying to do like actual good things. Um, but he was killed in an attempt to escape from Sam Quentin. So he was a hero to them, even though he wasn't, they're not really doing like heroic nothing. Yeah, not no. So uh, and her three supervisors would talk to her constantly about their cause and about their lives. And they all started started to form friendships with Patty. Well, to them. Like Patty is surviving. Yes. So she's doing everything she can, saying the right things, making them think that she believes in them to survive. Okay. I agree. I totally agree. She has already come to the conclusion by now. So she, okay, so they're getting up every day. They're doing like calisthenics in their in their apartment. They are practicing for like worst case scenario. They're practicing for battle in this little apartment where there's like nine people living. I didn't count them all out. Hold on. So we got uh one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, and that one comes later on. So we've got nine in this apartment right now.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

Yeah, they're all like, gump, what is your purpose here, gump? To do whatever you tell me to, drill sergeant.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

Yeah, full on. Patty has already come to the conclusion just by hearing them talk, hearing them do their drills, like they're even making pew-poo sounds, like when they're practicing when they're, I don't know. What? Yeah. So she has come to the conclusion

Manipulation Survival And Forced Compliance

SPEAKER_01 41:10

that they're that they're not very smart, which made them more dangerous to her. So she's in her mind, she's like, My only way out is to kind of get in. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Okay. So keep so keep that in mind, okay? Because like I said, she is a non-conformist.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

They're in the fucking, they're in the living room playing Pokemon Go, and she's sitting back, like, you know, uh, I got a Charizard card right here, but I'm not gonna throw it yet.

SPEAKER_01 41:40

So sometime later on, her three supervisors they go to Donald or Sin, as he's referred to, of course, and they say, Hey, uh, we kind of like her. And then Willie and her end up having a little love fling. Because Willie, actually, who he is the one that goes by uh Kooja. So Willie had similar background to Patty. Okay. So while Patty's blindfolded, she thinks that every member of this group is black. Donald is the only one that's actually black. Sin. But these were all people who were at like theater kids and we're going to college. Willie just happened to become very passionate about uh what's the word that I'm looking for? The charismatic revolution. No, no, no, no. Oh uh conditions in prisons and things like that. So he had become passionate about that.

SPEAKER_02 42:37

So like she was able to feed off of all the crazy bullshit that's going on. Right. It probably wasn't that fucking hard.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

They're all just she didn't know what any of these people look like yet.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

No, they're fully immersed into the picture that one person's probably painting. That's what I'm thinking. And they're just like, yeah, we're yeah, whatever you're saying, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

Like I said, so Donald, he was the only one that was an actual criminal. And he that's why he was leader, and he was the older one, and he found all these college kids to support his cause. I mean, so he was kind of a cult leader, if you will. Oh yeah. Um, so and then Ms. Moon, she was the all, she was also kind of the other scary one. So Donald and Ms. Moon, who also, what did I say she went by? Galena. Um, no. Fuck, that can't be right. Anyway, Ms. Moon, we'll just call her Ms. Moon. She was also the scary one, along with Donald. So her and Willie, they come to like a common ground because they were raised the same. They kind of went to like fancy schools and shit like that. So they found common ground and they like they like like like each other, okay? But she was also forced to have relations with Bill and with Sin. Oh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

So, um Yeah, of course we're gonna do all the dumb shit while we're in the middle of doing dumb shit.

SPEAKER_01 43:59

All and I even have This next in my notes, all of these members were all sleeping with each other, women included. Uh, Ms. Moon and Camilla had actually been in a relationship previously, and then uh he ends up sleeping with both of them, and it it it it's it's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

What what better way to create a charismatic turmoil over all that when you put emotion into it as well, like an intimate type situation, and then you start changing everybody else, and there's all these weird thoughts and all this crazy. Right.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

Like I believe I don't remember if it was, I think it was Camilla was actually like very hurt by not being with Ms. Moon anymore, or vice versa. One of those two. Yes, of course. I'm still listening to the book, guys. I'll have a lot more information next week.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Each individual's perspective of uh acceptance in the middle of their whole cult fucking bullshit. You know what I'm saying? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Yeah, yeah, perfect. So they would let Patty watch her capture coverage on TV and read the articles. Now she was already mad. She was already mad at Steve for being a weak ass. And actually her parents were too. Like her parents were actually pissed off at him for not doing more in that situation. It seemed that she was in her audio recordings that the SLA is sending out. Um, it seemed that she was getting irritated with her parents when it was in fact the SLA getting irritated with her parents.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

Right, they're pushing on her to try to get it across to them to get whatever they want.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:27

And it's not happening fast enough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

Now the group

Tanya Emerges And Part Two Tease

SPEAKER_01 45:30

convinced convinces her that her dad actually, in fact, has all the money that they want, just like cash on hand. And because she wasn't really sure. I mean, nobody none of us really know our parents' finances. You know what I mean? So they convince her that he's just not complying, or they try to convince her, excuse me. They try to, and that the FBI just wants to take them out. They even get her to start preparing for a possible FBI raid. And she's like, she believes that, okay, um, maybe they aren't trying to kill me, but she keeps her internal guard up as well. She's still like, for me to get out, I'm gonna have to get in. Okay. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

This is this is too fucked up of a situation. It's gonna go down eventually. Yeah, everybody's gonna be throwing their Pokemon cards all at one time.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Right. So she lets them start to believe that she believes in them. That this that she's like, you are just you know a group of people that want to help the needy and that hate rich conservatives and fascists. And yes, my maybe my dad is the enemy. Like she's letting them think that she's thinking like them. Oh, and by the way, I have to go back really quick. I'm gonna uh backtrack. So during this whole food distribution, Ronald Reagan, who was the governor of California at this time, right? This is before he was president, he was strongly against all of this. And he was actually he called uh Randy Hearst fucking weak for going along with this to get his daughter back. And this is what he states about the free food for the poor, uh, acting like the poor was the criminals. He said aiding and embedding he they were aiding and embedding lawlessness. That's what he was telling Randy Hearst, who's just doing this to make sure his daughter gets back safe. Um, and that he hoped recipients would contract botulism. What? That's what Ronald Reagan said.

SPEAKER_02 47:31

We hope all y'all that are.

SPEAKER_01 47:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

By the way, vote for me for president. I mean, he got it.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

But you gotta understand, like, conservatives were on his side about that shit. But you cannot blame people in actual need of food going to get this food for the kidnapping of Patty Hurst.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

No, in any public situation, they're like, hey, uh, we can eat really fucking good next week if we just show up and go get it.

SPEAKER_01 48:01

In my single mom days, I would have been in line. Yeah. I have received food assistance, I have been, I have received help from Catholic charities, I have been that person in need. And we gave back too. And we have given back. And yes, I give back as much as I can.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

I mean, but you don't take in the middle of this. So this, you know, the whole situation is bullshit, but if there's a give situation, it's give, give.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

Well, that was $70 of food in those days, it's like $300.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

That's a week's worth of groceries, yes. $300, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:32

And and it was high quality food, not the usual bullshit that they were having to get.

SPEAKER_02 48:37

I hate them using that, but it's still a bullshit ploy at the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

It is, it is, but it's not the people's fault. So why would you wish botulism upon them? Yeah, no, that ain't fucking asshole. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Was not a good first step there, brother. No, no, brother.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

So, like I said before, Joe Romero and Russell Little were being held prisoner for the assassination of Marcus Foster, but they were not the ones that had pulled the trigger. It was actually Ms. Moon, Sin, and Nancy Ling. She had fucking contract. So the part or the group started letting Patty actually listen in on their conversations instead of Blair in the radio. And uh she was letting them believe, like I said, that she was under she was starting to understand their cause. And she even told them, I don't want to go home.

SPEAKER_02 49:32

I mean, I don't want to join up.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

Yeah. Yeah. So now, like I said, Patty would definitely later say she has her own book. She would say that this was all for survival. And after five weeks of being held captive, she's emaciated, fucking disoriented, all the things. She tells her supervisors she wants to become a part of the SLA. Now she has to go through this whole grueling fucking all-night talks with each fucking member because they're so hard up, you know what I mean, to actually let them join or let her join them, but they end up accepting her as their new member and changed her name to Tanya.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

She's a full-on revolutionist capture Pokemon card flower.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

So another announcement was sent out saying that Patty would be released and was going to be returned home. But they made sure that this went out on April 1st. And what is April 1st?

SPEAKER_02 50:38

April Fool's Day.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

And then it was followed by a recording of Patty denouncing her parents, Steve as her fiance, and said that she was now Tanya, a member of the Simbayonese Liberation Army.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

The SLA.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

And that is where we are going to leave off for today.

SPEAKER_02 51:04

You couldn't write it better, Lindsay. You couldn't write this better in Hollywood, I don't think. Or, you know, LA.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

So just I'm gonna go over the rest of them that I didn't say. So uh Camilla Hall was known as Gabby, Bill Harris was known as Tico, and then Emily Harris was Yolanda, and they were a married couple, but they were sleeping. They were slanging. They were slinging. And Emily Harris had actually fell in love with a prisoner while they were doing while they were visiting the prisons and and trying to do like things in the prison. Uh yeah. There's a lot to this case, you guys. Bear with me. I'm hoping I can wrap it up in one more part. So stay tuned. And uh yeah, so there you have it. Part one of the insane kidnapping of Patty Hearst.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

Another fabulous Lindsay bedtime story.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

Listen, some people do like to go to bed. It's a true crime.

SPEAKER_02 52:06

Oh yeah. So can I play music though?

SPEAKER_01 52:09

You

Song Shoutout And Where To Find Us

SPEAKER_01 52:10

can. Hey, let's do it. What amazing band do you have in store for us today?

SPEAKER_02 52:15

I have this really cool ass band right here. I'm gonna show it to Lindsay over here. Samaya! Samaya! And the song is called The Flower and the Serpent. Isn't that perfect, I think? Check it out.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

Oh! Oh by the way, oh by the way the SLA symbol was a seven-headed serpent. Here we go.

SPEAKER_03 52:40

Smile and entertain the crowd. I can't help but know it.

SPEAKER_01 55:56

That was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 55:58

What?

SPEAKER_01 55:58

Yes, so amazing. So amazing. Samaya, you are amazing. Your voice is incredible. You are gorgeous. Check out everything that they've ever done. Goodness gracious. And you know what? I've seen that you followed us first, girl, but we have followed you back. Love it. Love it. So we're getting ready to get ready for a show. And we gotta sign off of here. So we're gonna do our plugs really quick. So our main website is drinkaboutsomething.sight. On Instagram, we are drinkabout something. And if you want to send us an email, we are drinkaboutsomething pod at gmail.com. And Jesse, where are we at on YouTube?

SPEAKER_02 56:32

Go to Gen Z, J-E-N D S E Y. That's the creator that we have together. And we will see you guys next Friday, right here for part two of this whole fucking thing. Oh my god, I'm so excited, Lindsay. And yo, drinkabout something.side, check us out and send us a message. We love you so much. Bye.