Cobain To Weezer Conspiracy Opener

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Hey Jesse. Hello, Lindsay. Did you know that there is a conspiracy theory that Kurt Cobain faked his death and became Rivers Cuomo from Weezer?

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Not that one. Okay. No, not that one, Lindsay. No, I don't know that one.

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So the theory suggests that Kurt grew tired of the heavy, exhausting grunge scene and wanted to make innocent, naive music. Under this logic, he cut his hair, put on thick-rimmed glasses, swapped flannel for button-down shirts, and adopted a clean power pop vocal style to hide in plain sight.

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Did you see the thing that on social media where Rivers was walking around and people were like, Who is this guy right here? And they were like, I don't know. And they were like, if you can guess who this is, I'll pay you money. And nobody could tell them it was Rivers like walking around.

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I love Rivers.

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How would you not know, dude?

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I don't know.

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I would have been like, I'd at least said Weezer. Yeah, Weezer.

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If you didn't say Rivers, you would say Weezer. I'd have been like, Weezer. It's Weezer. Well, what's crazy about that is he was actually super obsessed with Kurt Cobain. But did you know that after the blue album, he quit for a little while and went to Harvard?

SPEAKER_02 1:25

Yeah, yeah, I knew that he was. You didn't know that? Yeah, I knew that, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like I thought they were like jamming kind of closest to the same kind of time, right? Where they okay, so like we're blue came out literally like a few months later. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. Cause I remember in the ninth grade I had a Weezer shirt. Yeah. And but they came out before that. Yeah.

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They came out in '94. Right. Yeah.

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Yeah. And the Cobain thing happened in ninety four.

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Yeah. Like I said, literally right up.

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I was like, no, no, no, yeah. It's very fucking weird. I don't I don't fucking know. Holy shit.

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But isn't that wild? Happy Friday.

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That shit took forever to come in, didn't it? Lindsay. We were holy at a new episode of Lindsay. Let's get started. I'm ready.

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Okay.

Drinks And River Day Catch-Up

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I'm hot. Start off with some fucking weezer and cart propane shit right off rip.

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Hello, listeners, and welcome to the Drink About Something podcast where we talk about true crime. We have a couple of drinks. Lift up your cup, Jesse.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

It's too heavy. I don't have to lick it. I'm gonna have to drink more out of it before I can lift it, dude. Like, yeah.

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And then at the end of the episode, Jesse plugs a really awesome band every Friday for us to add to our playlist. But speaking of drinks, what is in your cup today?

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It's Crown Apple and Retro Vibe. Crown Apple and Retro Vibe. But I mean, it's probably other shit too, because I'm in at the river and mixing things, and who knows, dude.

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There's we had a river day.

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Yeah, there's all kinds of remnants. And I got the river uh right now.

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Speaking, I mean, we just talked about rivers, and we went to the river, and I'm having a peach mango combo, white claw. Yeah. With peach vibe Celsius.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Dude, I was acting so crazy today at the river.

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That's fun, though. We had a birthday party for the grandkid. Yes, our oldest.

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We made it all magical.

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Yes. And uh that was fun. And I was a little lit at the river and we were floating, and our float had this zipper-looking thing in the front of it, and I was making jokes of that, and that was fun. And then I was goofing, and we had some hamburgers and hot dogs, which our kids actually cooked.

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Yes, that was proud parent moments.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

Oh my nine, Lindsay, and that was.

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We had Landon and Silas on the grill today. That was really cool.

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Yeah, they did the things, and we had really fun time. I think the sun and um, you know, because when the sun goes down in my side of town. I see how you changed it up there so we don't get like copyrighted. Uh the sun like kind of got me wore out a little bit. So you had to take a little nappy. I didn't get along enough nap. And Lindsay's like, come on, let's do this podcast. So I'm like, I'm ready to do this podcast, because now she just fired off with something about Kirk Obane and Rivers, and we never did get to see Nirvana. No, we did not. We were babies, we were babes, but we did get to see the unicorn of Weezer. One of the best days of my life. No shit. And we've seen remnants of Nirvana in the Foo Fighters type fashion.

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Yeah.

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Cause I love a Foo Fighters type fucking fashion. Fuck yeah. We've seen Foo Fighters a few times. We cried with him. And that was that was fucking fun because fucking fun foo tighters fuck fuck fashion. I can't even put it all together.

SPEAKER_04 5:19

Well, hey, so

Feeling Old At Work

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to redirect here, what made you feel old this week?

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Oh, you just want to just go right there. I was just gonna talk about that. We just do that for the whole podcast. What do you think about that? Huh? You and your theories.

SPEAKER_04 5:32

Well, we need to do a side quest about just our little conversations, but yeah, the listeners want a story today.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Okay, so yeah. No, yeah, I'm still over here doing the rivers and rivers and rivers. Okay, so the way that people are just changing is a constant adjustment for me. Okay, and elaborate. Okay, so I feel like a boomer because being the person that I am doing my job and my vocational things, right? Every everything that I do in my work and what I do, it's an adjustment because I have to actually teach the people how to do their own job because they don't have the skills to do their own job. And I feel like a boomer because I'm pissed off about it. I'm starting to notice that. I don't understand if there's a generational thing or if there's a management problem or whatever, and I'm just standing on my little platform over here and I'm not liking it. And maybe I'm just an old ass pissed-off dude that made me feel old because I'm sitting back and like, what just give them some time. But like I'm teaching these people how to do their own jobs a lot while I'm trying to ask for the help that I need to do my job.

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You're becoming a curmudgeon.

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Is that what it is?

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You're becoming a curmudgeon. Is that what it is? Really? I think so. I don't know if I said the right words to become a good idea. Because I can I can get it. We're a little lity today. Hey.

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Yeah, I am very I'm very litty, but like that's just my personal experience because I'm literally looking up these. I'm a parts guy, so I'm looking up the parts and then telling them this is what I need, this is how we need to do this, and they still don't even understand who to talk to to get my own parts. And maybe it's just my area, my town, whatever.

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It's just because you've been doing it so long, it's hard for you to understand that somebody new coming in will not know anything of what you're talking about. Yeah, but it's something you've done for over a quarter of a century. So yeah.

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Now, maybe maybe my skills have way surpassed the people that are supposed to be professional at selling the product. Is that have you experienced that? Yeah, okay.

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So I mean, you know what I do, and you know what I do.

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So I guess maybe that's just what it is. Now we're starting to traverse into the we're both trainers in our field.

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So yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah. But to train the people, that would be okay, you do it. You do it. You're a server. So you have to train the people how to order their own food.

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And also, it's crazy because I have I have to train people anywhere from 22 to 57. I mean, so that's wild too.

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Yeah, if I'm calling a company, I'm like, hey, I need this widget for a spindle whatever socket, whatever, this whatever parts. You know what I'm saying? Some kind of crazy, whatever. I'm just trying to come up with something goofy. But I'm having to coach them to sell me the part.

SPEAKER_04 8:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm I'm still teaching uh people that are well, well into their golden age how to order eggs or how to order a steak um based off of how they like it. You know what I mean?

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Right.

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Or how their d their description of it is I'm like, okay, that's blah blah blah. That's over medium, that's medium rare, that's medium well. And I don't understand how they don't know that at this point in their life.

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I don't think it's curmudgeny. I just think it's so you get where I'm coming from, right?

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Yeah, yeah. It's like to us it's basic basic common sense, but we have to understand that there are people that don't know certain things, but at the same time, you're thinking in your head, like, how have you made it this far in life without knowing this basic information?

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How are you a part salesman and I have to teach you how to do your job?

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Or how how have you eaten out your whole life? I mean, I've watched people that have come into the restaurant that I work in every single week more than once, and they still don't know how to order their food and they still don't know our menu by heart.

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Let us know if you relate. Yeah. That's the thing, right? I mean, hit us up if you relate to that little thing. What do you what made you feel old this week?

SPEAKER_04 10:04

Well, my oldest grandbaby turned seven, or she's turning seven. Yeah. Yeah. I have a seven-year-old grandchild. That don't make no fucking sense.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

I thought you said something earlier, though. Didn't you say something earlier?

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You're stuck in the middle of the city. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:17

Oh, so when I uh went to Neil, so the place we went to today, we rented a pavilion for our party, and I was like, prop my leg up, and it's a concrete uh bench and table, and putting my leg up on that concrete just hurt my bones immediately.

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Elements.

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I was like, ew, let me take my leg back down.

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I didn't like it. Hang on, wait a minute. Uh no, I'm not Captain Morgan.

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I'm not.

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Nope.

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So you got stories, Lindsay?

Rebecca Schaefer Enters The Story

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I do.

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So Jesse drew a name out of the bag last week, and it was who we're drinking about today, which is Rebecca Lucille Schaefer.

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Yeah, Rebecca Schaefer.

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Yes. So she was born November 6th, 1967, to Dana and Dr. Benson Schaefer. She was born in Eugene, Oregon, and she was the only child.

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Doesn't Dr. Schaefer just seem so common?

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It does. It's like he was born to be a doctor.

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Yeah.

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Dr. Schaefer.

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Out the womb.

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Calling Dr. Schaefer. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Dana, she was a writer, and she also taught at Willamette University. And like I said, uh, Dr. Benson, he was a child psychologist. Now, Rebecca was raised in Portland, Oregon, and their family was Jewish. So growing up, she actually wanted to eventually become a rabbi. A lady rabbi. I didn't even know that was a thing.

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Yes, it is very much so a thing.

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Okay. But as she got older, she oh my God, just I mean, gorgeous child. And she got into modeling. So she was a model for a local department store and or actually multiple local department stores. And she was in local commercials. And uh this started actually in her junior year of high school. And at 16, her parents go, so she was with a modeling agency and her parents let her go to New York for the summer with elite model management and ended up staying and attending professional children's school. So now this is crazy to me. You and I, we talked about this while we were actually on Black Tom Island and we drove by.

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I think it's dog shit island, but yeah, go ahead.

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Oh god, there was so much dog shit.

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Yeah.

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So we were driving by, and as you glimpse off into the distance to your right, you look you look upon the city, and it's just this huge, overwhelming sight off into the distance. And I just said anybody that can go there by themselves to try to start any kind of career, yeah, has got, I mean, like, and she was 16. Now she was with, like I said, she was with a modeling agency, she had people around her, but still going from Oregon to New York City, it's a lot.

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Yeah, I mean, but over the last hundred years, when you traverse across the country and you you overcome your fear and independence, and you you come up

Modeling Dreams And Soap Operas

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to that type of site, don't you feel empowered? Well, what's crazy? How did you feel when you when we came into New York? I loved it.

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It was fucking amazing.

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So it was just like you overcame that and then now you've you've traversed into this whole metropolis of the biggest thing you've ever seen in your life.

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Well, I told you uh just I think it was last week. When I was 16, I would have done that without blinking an eye. I would have just went.

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Yeah.

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It was after I became a parent where I was like, oh, let me back up. And then I started getting anxious about doing certain things. And you know what I mean?

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Because it's like changes, it changes the whole time. Yeah, yeah.

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Everything. But when you're young and you're a kid, you're like, fuck yeah, I want to go do everything. Wanna go everywhere.

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Yeah, that part.

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So while she was in New York, she landed a small short-term role on guiding lights. Oh. Yes, the soap. The stories. The stories, as our grandparents called them. Yes, they both did. Yeah. And uh then she did a six-month arc as Annie Barnes on One Life to Live. And if we have any young listeners out there, these are what was called soap operas, or what our grandparents called was stories.

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Yes, yes.

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One Life to Live was actually one of my favorites. So a lot of like my granny and probably your granny, uh, what did you call her? Mimo.

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Mamma.

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Mamma. Mamma. Okay. Why am I I don't know.

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He's blanking blanking.

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I remember As the World Turns.

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Okay, so I'm gonna say a lot of people, the most popular ones were on CBS, but I watched the ABC soaps. Those were my shit. Like One Life to Live, uh, All My Children, and General Hospital. Those were mine. I do remember General Hospital, yes. So, I mean, this was in 1984, so I was only like two. So I definitely don't remember her character on this show, but I did get into soap operas at a very young age. I was nine years old when my mom and dad paid a babysitter that was in our area, and she was in her, what does it say? She was 16 or 17, and she was into the soap. So that's what we did from one to three every day.

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Y'all was soaping.

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We was soaping, and it was so, oh my god, I got so into it at nine years old. I had no idea this adult content, what was going on, but I was into it. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting, even if you don't understand it. Right. Yeah. At that age.

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Well, while Rebecca was doing her acting jobs, she still wanted to model, but the industry at the time wanted women that were a little taller than her height, which was five, seven. In 1985, at just 17, she went to Japan to pursue modeling there with that same agency. And uh, but her height over there was still an issue. So she came back to New York in 1986 and decided to pursue acting like top priority, but she was still doing some modeling jobs. And uh she would work as a waitress, you know, to do her part, make ends meet. Because I think the agency was paying for some things, but she still had to work, you know. Right, right. Now, I guess she was good enough for magazines and things like that, but not really for the runway. I guess, you know, because they like them really, really tall. Which changed though. Oh, yeah, okay, because you've got all shapes and sizes now. Yeah. There's nothing that I love more now than like when I'm scrolling on TikTok and I have targeted ads, obviously. And the Victoria's Secret will will always be, you know, in my scrolling. And there's even ones that are like missing limbs now. And I'm like all shapes and sizes, all different body types, all everything. And I just love it so much.

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Yeah, because like clothing companies like Maurice's came in, different people, like shapes and sizes.

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For Victoria's Secrets, you had to be to do that, yeah, absolutely.

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Yes, it had to be that uh 5'9, 120 pounds, yeah, uh forever. And then it was just like, wait a minute, dude, people are people, like, come on, you know, and and it did change, and I'm so glad that it did because you know, trending. But in the 80s, it was super tall, yeah, super thin, period. Yeah, right. Yeah, you had to be one of those motley crew chicks the whole time.

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Well, while, like I said, she was pursuing acting a little bit more than modeling, and in 1986, she won. I don't know how that worked, I could not find how she won it, but she won a role in a Woody Allen comedy called Radio Days. But Woody Allen, god damn it, what a fucking creep. Do you know about Woody Allen? I don't know. So Woody Allen and his ex Mia Farah. So Woody and Mia Farah adopted a daughter from another country, and Woody is now married to that daughter. That's all I'm gonna say. Come on, man. Yeah, if you guys don't know about that story, just Google it. Make you want to throw open your mouth a little bit. Well, eventually the gig started rolling in after she appears on the cover of 17 magazine. That was my favorite magazine.

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That was hot in the late 90s, early 2000s.

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It sure was. Okay, so if you're new to this podcast, I was a very sheltered child. So I had a friend who actually got a subscription for me sent to her house so that I could read them.

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Which was free, by the way.

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Well, I don't know if it was it might have been. I don't know.

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Yeah, it was, yeah. She just had it shipped over. Yeah, yeah, we didn't have any money back then. She just gave them an address.

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I don't know how it worked, but I got the magazine. She would bring them to me on the bus, and I love that friend forever.

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But your parents wouldn't subscribe to you. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. No.

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So yeah, 17, I loved, and Teen Bop. Those were.

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I was doing like skater magazines and stuff. I know. And then I did like the CD, oh, I can't even remember the CD thing that we did back then. You could look at different uh albums and records and stuff that we all owe money for.

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Yeah. No time life. Yeah, I didn't buy anything.

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Where it was like a penny or something. Showed all the new albums and all the new music that was coming out, and I could flip it and I'd be like, dude, I want this album, I want this, I want this. And eventually, like if it did come to our town, I would get it or whatever. Because I remember seeing like Soul Fly, and I was like, Oh my god, Max Cavaller, he's got his own thing. He's out of Soulfly, and he's or he's out of uh Sophotori and he's doing his own thing. And I was like, so excited about that. That was like '96. Wow. Yeah. And then the skater magazines, you know, and and and seeing all that stuff. That was my and it was free. So right. It was that was exciting to me. That was my version of what you're talking about. So right. I'm sure my sisters had that shit, you know. Oh,

Sitcom Fame And A Growing Spotlight

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I didn't see that. Absolutely. Yeah.

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Rebecca lands a role playing a little sister named Patty in a sitcom called My Sister Sam. And Sam was played by actress Pam Dauber. She was very, very popular. So Rebecca moves to LA and LA. LA and stays with Pam and her husband Mark Harmon. This is a very famous couple. Do you know who Mark Harmon is?

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No, but I was watching you say LA and you had to do it twice.

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LA. Yes, I did. Because you're gonna have to edit there, right? Um so she's staying with Pam and Mark. Mark Harmon plays um, oh my god, I think his name is Jethro. Oh my god. Let me Google real quick. In NCIS. It's been going on for like 20 something years. It's crazy, crazy long stretch. And he also, for any of my like, you know, millennials, mid to elder, he played the um stepdad in Freaky Friday, the one with Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis.

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The good one.

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Yes, that is my favorite one. That is my favorite one.

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Lindsay's over here pulling shit out of her ass, and I'm gonna leave all of this in here, by the way. I'm gonna leave every bit of it, Lindsay. So don't get mad at me for leaving it. No, it's fine.

SPEAKER_04 22:15

It's fine. I'm jumping, I'm bumbling. Leaving it. But I so I love the original Freaky Friday with Jodie Foster, like 100%, and and fucking John Aston. Like, I love that movie. But the one with Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis is like just very I love that one even more because there's rock and roll in that bitch. Okay. Right. You're right. Rock and roll in that bitch.

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And there's like arm sleeves.

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And they're playing at House of Blues.

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Along, you know, with the little oh, that was so cute back then. I thought everybody should, and and I even tried to rock that. And it's like, you know, like the the shirts with the sleeves with the thumb holes and the rock and roll back in then. Yeah. Do you remember those days? Yes, those were fucking good days.

SPEAKER_04 22:58

Okay, so I was right, kind of. So uh Mark Harmon's character is Leroy Jethro. Okay. In NCIS. Anyway, it's been going on forever, whatever. And then Pan Dober, she played Mindy in Morkin Mindy. Really? Yes.

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All the way back to then.

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All the way back to then. All of this. I mean, they've both done several other roles, but that was what made them famous. You know, Mork and Mindy and then NCIS. Okay. Shit. Now, this show called, like I said, My Sister Sam, it did really well at first, but it ended up being canceled in the middle of the second season. But it's it put Rebecca on the map. Now she had just received enough fame for people to know her name. And for some, well, at least one, they started

Robert Bardo And Early Red Flags

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to become obsessed with her. And one man in particular named Robert John Bardo became a little too obsessed.

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Come on, creepy Bardo.

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Oh man, you have no idea. Fuck. Yeah.

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So I'm ricocheting off of like images and glimpses of things that I might even know. And did you ever become obsessed with a fucking field here? Fuck Bardo already. What?

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Did you ever become like really, really obsessed with a celebrity to where to where it may have looked to an outsider like unhealthy?

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Other than Brandon Boyd from Incubus? No. I do not have any obsession over any other celebrity for some reason. I have dreams about that dude for some reason.

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I know, you do. You talked about one this morning. I don't know why.

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Very strange. I just do not know why. Incubus is just the biggest icon to me. I don't know why. I do not know why.

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I don't either.

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And I've seen them like twice. Three times.

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Incubus is great, but goddamn, Jesse, you love, love that band.

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I just, I mean, I've probably mentioned this a few times if you go back and think about it. I'm kind of geeking about this dude.

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So the only one that I really obsessed over in my youth it was um Dean Kane from the who played Superman in the Lois and Clark series. Okay, I remember you saying that.

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Yes.

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My obsession even got printed in the goddamn newspaper. I remember you saying that too.

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That's what you said. He's like, you're like, I got my spotlight, I'm gonna talk about him.

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Yeah. I wrote my Valentine's to him that day. You did. It was Valentine's Day. It was put in the paper. Dean Kane, if you're out there, if you're listening to this podcast, when I was 10 years old, I loved you. There are people who remember that only about me from childhood.

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You're the girl that did the Dean Cames?

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Oh my God. Listen, everything in sight, I had a Superman symbol on. I drew it. What? My dad's work calendar, all my books, all everything, all my notebooks, all my folders, my desk. I even carved it into there. Like it was crazy. Yeah.

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So in branding the floating upper torso boyd from Incubus, I'm just saying, hey.

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I love Dean Kane. You know what though? I loved it. I loved Clark Kent more than actual Dean Kane. I think so. I loved Clark Kent. Yeah, I think so.

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He was nerdy and I loved it. And he really had that. And then when he traversed into Superman, it was just like this sleek ass, really cool ass superhero. Yeah.

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Dean Kane was will always be Superman to me. Nobody else.

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Oh, you just fell right in love with that whole aesthetic, though. And you still are, because you but it was never unhealthy.

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And unfortunately, Robert Bardo's is gonna be very unhealthy. So he was born January 12th, 1970, and he was the youngest of seven children. Seven children born to June and Philip Bardo. Now his mother was from Japan, and his father was a non-commissioned officer in the Air Force, which was not uncommon at all. You know what I mean?

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Right, right. Yeah, I get it.

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Now they moved around a lot in Robert's youth, but settled in Tucson, Arizona in 1983. It's reported that he was bullied by one or more of his siblings, so much so that he was placed in foster care.

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Really?

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Foster care. That's serious.

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We're salading? Yeah, we're salading. Okay, it's salad time.

SPEAKER_04 27:36

And this, uh, so after they put him in when they put him in foster care, it was after he had threatened to commit suicide. There are reports that his family had a history of mental illness, and Robert would later on be diagnosed with bipolar disorder after he was committed for suicidal tendencies. Now he had been attending a magnet school, and it said that he was a good student, but he was a ticking time bomb. He would actually write his teachers threatening letters. Like, could you imagine? Magnet school, you know, that's kids of the arts, things like that.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Right. Super talented, super talented, super on the edge.

SPEAKER_04 28:20

Yeah. But he would drop out of the magnet school at just 15 years old and got a job as a janitor for Jack in the Box. Which, for you guys that don't live in America, that is a fast food chain.

SPEAKER_02 28:34

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

Now I could not find the details on why, but Robert would go on to be arrested three times for domestic violence and disorderly conduct. And his neighbors would say that he was strange and threatening. This is at 15 and 16 years old. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

A lot of salad.

SPEAKER_04 28:58

Yeah. And then he would start to obsess over celebrities.

Obsession Becomes Targeted Stalking

SPEAKER_04 29:05

The first one that he had actually tried to visit was Samantha Reed Smith. She was a child actress that had reached out to I'm sorry, guys, I'm gonna butcher this. Yuri Andropov, who was the general secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

But you nailed it, Lindsay. Did I?

SPEAKER_04 29:28

And she was actually invited to Russia. This was a famous girl. This was a famous story. And when she returned from the Soviet Union, Robert took a bus to go see her. But somehow, maybe suspicious behavior. He was sent back to Tucson by authorities, probably because he was a minor. Okay. And he might have been on some probation for these three arrests that he's had. There's not a lot of information on any of this. It's just everything is very vague. So I'm doing what I can here. Now, Samantha Smith would actually die in a plane crash when she was just 13 years old in 1985. So he was obsessing over a fucking baby. Yeah. Girl. Not cool, dude. I mean, like I said, this all happened within a year after she came back. So she was like 12 and he was in his later teens.

SPEAKER_02 30:27

So in the salad, here comes the sardines, right? We're gonna build this one because this is disgusting.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

Oh, I'm sorry. So yeah, so she was 13 and Robert was 15 in 85. Now, I guess that's not insanely crazy, but us now in this day and age in 2026, we're like, ew. But in 85, I guess it was, I don't know. It was just a different time. It was a different time.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

I think so.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

You know what? Let's not let's not shit on the sardines because they make a really good Caesar dressing for a really good salad.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

Oh, fuck.

SPEAKER_04 31:06

Yeah. You love you some sardines and a Caesar dressing, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 31:09

We didn't even know it, did we?

SPEAKER_04 31:11

Did you? I did.

SPEAKER_02 31:12

I did, but I didn't even well okay. Fuck! Okay. Okay. Lindsay, though.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

So after poor Samantha Smith, God rest her soul, after she passed away, he starts to obsess over Tiffany. Remember Tiffany? I think we're alone now. Oh, and that's all I can think. And Debbie Gibson. So he's obsessing over both of them.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

Yeah, either way, children behave.

SPEAKER_04 31:45

Right. But they, I guess they weren't very accessible, which is weird. No, I'm glad he didn't go after either one of them. Uh, but Tiffany was she was like touring malls and shit. So you would think that that was very accessible.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Very accessible. Right.

SPEAKER_04 31:59

But I don't, I don't know. So he just he kind of backed off of them. Then he starts to watch My Sister Sam and he starts re uh obsessing over Rebecca Schaefer. Now he started to send her letters to her fan mail club, and she was such an amazing person that she would actually write back all of her fans.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Doesn't that make you not want to if you ever get famous? Oh, yeah. Like, listen, this is one of those things.

SPEAKER_04 32:24

Fame is not on my priority list. This is one of those whatsoever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

Oh, God, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:31

The understanding of that all the way to John Lennon is just I'm going to mention him shortly. Oh, fuck. Okay, so she responded to the letters and she actually wrote back to him and said that that was one of the most wonderful, sweetest letters that she has received yet. Okay. This is still a very young girl. You know what I mean? She doesn't know of the evil in the world. And like I said, you know, she she had no idea about the door she was opening right here. So he took this as, oh, she wants to meet me. Maybe even possibly date me. So he gets on a bus and he takes flowers and a big ass teddy bear. It's one of those five feet ones that we all wanted our boyfriends to win for us at the fair. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 33:28

They spent $100.

SPEAKER_04 33:29

Yeah. But now that I'm older, I'm like, don't you dare. Don't you dare buy me one of those fucking bears because I can spend that money on something else.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

That bitch is gonna mold and mildew in the corner and smell like shit in 10 years. You'd be like, fuck this bastard. I'm tardy dusting it.

SPEAKER_04 33:48

So he goes to Warner Brothers Studios in Burbake, California to see if he can catch her on the set of My Sister Sam. Well, he does not make it through security, which made him angry. But it is said that the security wasn't really mean to him. They were just like, sorry, bud, it's not gonna happen. She's busy, and they gave him a ride back to wherever he was staying or to the bus station. I'm not really sure. And then he returns a month later, and this time he's wielding a knife.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

No fucking way. Yeah. From teddy bear to knife.

SPEAKER_04 34:26

But no one was harmed and he was sent away once again. So he goes back home and he continues obsessing because, in his mind, if Rebecca meets him, she will want to be with him. That's just what he's thinking. Okay, that's up there.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

I'm so disgusted right now.

SPEAKER_04 34:48

I know.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

So there's no age in my life where I was in any kind of obsession like this.

SPEAKER_04 34:57

Even as deeply obsessed with Dean Kane as I was, it never crossed my. I mean, I was 10, but it never, it's never, I mean, I've been obsessed. I'm obsessed with Cody Quistat from fucking wage war. I have never in my my thoughts been like, oh, I need to go meet this guy.

SPEAKER_02 35:14

So this kind of story right here is why we didn't walk up to him when he was doing his acoustic act, and you were like, no, I don't want to talk to him.

SPEAKER_04 35:20

I'm a scaredy cat. Yeah. I would never even have the balls to talk to him.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

Yeah, well, that would have just been like, you know, hey, you know, exactly, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 35:28

I mean, it's like he has sent me a personalized message from my friend's phone and we're just like, I played it on this podcast. Yes. And I still in my mind would never think, oh my God, Cody wants to talk to me.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

He wants to be with me. I'm bringing my Teddy bear this time, but next time I'm bringing a fucking knife.

SPEAKER_04 35:45

No, because first of all, I love my husband that's sitting right here in front of me. I love Cody's talent. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. It's the last time we seen him live. I was like, God, that's my man. Yeah. And Jesse's Jesse loves him too.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Jesse loves him too.

SPEAKER_04 36:01

And by the way, they just put out a new banger called Sweet Dreams, and it is fucking fire.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

I meant to share it on our story yesterday, but oh, so we're going to go see Wage Warrior in a couple months. Yes. Okay. Yes, guys, yes.

SPEAKER_04 36:14

Black Friday. We will be at the Hard Rock. Maybe that's my man. If y'all want to come hang out.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

Like, honestly, maybe that is my man. I don't know.

Buying A Gun And Finding Her Address

SPEAKER_04 36:20

That's my man. So after the cancellation of My Sister Sam, Rebecca's career was not over. In fact, it was really just getting started. And she was offered more supporting roles like Voyage of Terror, The Ankil Laura Affair, The End of Innocence, and a made-for-TV movie called Out of Time. In one of the movies she was in called Scenes from the Class Struggle in Beverly Hills, she had a love scene with a male co-star. And when Robert saw this movie and that scene, he took it personally and became very angry. Like he like she was cheating on him or something.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

In come the strawberries in the salad with the sardines. I don't know what the fuck to say right now. It's the most disgusting thing that he is starting to create right here.

SPEAKER_04 37:23

Yeah, it was so like his obsession was so deep that in his head she was supposed to be saving herself for him. Saving herself for him. This guy that she's never fucking.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

You're looking at me right now, my stomach is upset because I'm having to eat fucking strawberries and sardines together.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

So, and now in his mind, she's just become another Hollywood harlot. Now, in context, it says the W word, but we're not gonna say that. So we're gonna say Harlot. Yeah. This guy is fucking 19 years old.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

We're not allowed to say that, Lindsay, on here.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

Well, I don't like that word. You don't like that word? I like Harlot better. Harlot sounds more jazzy. Can I say the C word on here? Yeah, we can say cunt all day long. I just can't say whore.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

Oh sorry. Okay. Oops. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 38:14

No, I just uh Harley would harlot sounded better to me because of the double H there. It does, doesn't it? I mean, horror sounds like an H word, but Lindsay, say it one more time, please.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

Horror. Oh my god, Lindsay. Stop it. Hey, we're gonna have to pause pause this podcast right now. Do you know who I love to hear say the word horror? Lindsay and I have to, you know, uh we're gonna have to take a moment here.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

Do you know who I love to Maria Brink, but yes. Fuck, let me finish the sentence. Do you know who I love to hear say the word horror? Yes. Maria Brink.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

I love her.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

That's why I was like, I can't believe you don't mind saying that because we have so much back context.

SPEAKER_04 38:58

Well, because I think of sick ass, Robert Bardo, Colin Sweet, beautiful little Rebecca Schaefer, a whore, and I didn't like it.

unknown 39:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:10

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

But her song alone can bring back power. And that's Maria Brink. There you go.

SPEAKER_04 39:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 39:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

There you go. Listen. That's why I'm like, you can say this word. Yeah. I'm not letting you hold off.

SPEAKER_04 39:24

If you don't know that song, go listen to it right after this podcast. Yeah. Bam.

SPEAKER_02 39:28

I'm not letting you hold off on that because who brought power back? Maria Brink.

SPEAKER_04 39:34

Maria fucking okay. That's another one I'm obsessed with. No shit.

SPEAKER_02 39:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:39

But I don't ever want to hurt her. I just want to hang out with her.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

You just want to say hey. I I had to say hey to her one time. We did. We both did. We both did, yeah. And she waved back. And that's all we need. That's it. We're we're golden.

SPEAKER_04 39:52

So Robert has a Rebecca Schaefer shrine in his room. And he has written in his journals about how he wanted to become famous himself so that he could impress her or that she would at least notice him. He had even written after his last trip to Burbank that I don't lose. Period. Now that was in 1987. So we're gonna jump to 1989 after he sees that movie with the love scene, and he decides that Rebecca needs to be punished. He draws out a diagram of her body and actually marks the spots where he wants to put bullet holes.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

Fucking disgusting infatuation. I just I don't I don't I don't want to know the rest of this story. I'm so sorry, but I'm gonna tell it to you.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Yeah, I'm at the point now because you got to hear the rest.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

You got sardines, you got strawberries, now we've added mustard. And everything is just not cool to me. This is not a cool-ass salad.

SPEAKER_04 40:59

So we've got strawberries and sardines and mustard. This is the worst salad I've ever heard of in my life. But you know what? Trying to paint the picture here. So then Robert gets his older brother to purchase him a gun. And this gun is a 357 Magnum. Now he had tried to buy this gun himself, but the owner of the gun shop said no after he pulled up his record. The gun shop owner actually puts his picture up on the wall so that other employees wouldn't sell him this gun either. That's how bad Robert's fucking record was. In 89, they would not sell him a gun. So he tells his older brother that the reason he wanted the gun was for target practice. And the older brother was like, okay, this seems harmless. And he got him the gun. I'm pretty sure no one knew what was brewing in his head. Oh, wait. There was. There was one that knew what was brewing in his head. But we'll get to that later. But I'm also pretty sure that no one knew that a hero of Robert Bardo's was a Scottish man from Aberdeen named Arthur Jackson.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

I just feel like just for a second there, you kind of slipped off into a little bit of Chicago there.

SPEAKER_04 42:16

Now, Arthur Jackson had attacked an actress named Teresa Saldana, and this was in 1982. This is a whole crazy story in itself. Now, this guy, Arthur Jackson, he had hired a private detective and posed as Martin Scorsese's assistant, and Arthur stabbed Teresa 10 times, but she survived.

SPEAKER_02 42:41

Fuck. Yeah. You had, I was trying to make a Chicago joke in there you go. Because you're like the gun, the gun, the gun, the gun. But Arthur stopped.

SPEAKER_04 42:53

So Robert planned another trip to California. And just like Arthur Jackson, he hired a private detective or investigator, excuse me, to get Rebecca's address. Now back then, the DMV would give out addresses for like a dollar.

SPEAKER_02 43:10

Really?

SPEAKER_04 43:11

And he charged Robert $250. Well, I heard actually two different prices. I heard $250 and $300. But that was a lot of fucking money. Yeah. Back then. And sir, you're working at the Jack in a Box? Like, where are you getting this money?

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Now you can just find that shit.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

I was just saying a lot of details in this case are very vague. Yeah. So now Robert has Rebecca's address and he starts stalking her neighborhood for a few days. And he's asking people on the street, hey, do you know this girl? And he's showing a signed picture that Rebecca had sent him when she replied to his letters.

SPEAKER_02 43:49

Right, which builds a lot of crazy thoughts because you got a lot of fake in this. She's only 21. And you've traversed across the country and you've done all kinds of crazy shit. You bought a 10 Well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 44:01

I mean, is Arizona to California across the country?

SPEAKER_02 44:05

In some ways, states away. I mean, I'm saying he's traveling and he's doing things and he's got a lot of money.

SPEAKER_04 44:10

This is now the third time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Dude's just working fast food. Right. So he's like, come on.

SPEAKER_04 44:15

Well, the people on the street, they were creeped out. Now he was also carrying a copy of Catcher in the Rye, which another celebrity stalker had carried around with him. One named Mark David Chapman who assassinated John Lennon. Oh my God. Yeah. Catcher in the Rye. Catcher in the Rye.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

I just I just wanted to talk about a band that we played with one time called Catcher in the Rye from Orlando. They were a cool band.

SPEAKER_04 44:46

Well, they were a cool band, but this is not cool stuff. This book is a great book, but for some reason, people have taken it a little too seriously. So after some time, he finally went to

The Apartment Door And The Shooting

SPEAKER_04 45:00

Rebecca's address and buzzed up to her apartment on the intercom. Now the speaker was out of order, and she was waiting on a script to be delivered. So she just went down without knowing who it was. And the script she was waiting on to be delivered was for a role in The Godfather Part 3. Fuck. Yeah. So she goes to greet who she thinks is a delivery person, and it was Robert. He says, Hey, I'm your biggest fan. And she was super sweet to him, and they talked for a minute, and then she was like, I'm sorry, I gotta go. She shook his hand and told Robert to take care. And he leaves. And he goes to a little diner called Jan's and he orders onion rings and cheesecake. But then as he's sitting there eating, he starts stewing and he starts getting pissed. And he's pissed that Rebecca didn't give him more of an interaction. And even though she was actually very nice to him, he thought it was rude that she didn't just immediately say to him, Oh, I love you. Let's be together. Now I'm just speculating on that. He's got this whole scenario in his head of what was supposed to happen. And he was also pissed off at himself for not doing what he had actually set out to do, which was to bring her a copy of U2's latest album. And it had the song Exit on it, which he was very obsessed with, and we're gonna talk more about. So after he eats, he's go he goes back and he buzzes her apartment again. And this time she opens the door and she's again hoping that this was the script that she had been waiting for. Now this time, he will later say that she was agitated and told him that he was wasting her time. But like I said, that's his side of the story.

SPEAKER_02 46:59

Yeah, his own fucking manifestated outcome has nothing to do with her.

SPEAKER_04 47:05

Well we will never hear Rebecca's side of the story. Because then he tells her, I forgot to give you this, and pulls out the 357 and shoots her point blank in the chest.

SPEAKER_02 47:20

Lindsay! Lindsay! Michelle. Come on, dude. Our plant's not blooming right now. I can't come through the plant.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

It's not Lindsay. He leaves her laying there and he takes off. Now a neighbor heard Rebecca's scream and came running and saw what happened and called the paramedics. She did still have a faint pulse at the scene, but was pronounced dead at the hospital.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

There is no salad that I can conjure up of his self-manifestations.

SPEAKER_04 47:59

He is a very disturbed human disturbed human being. And had been for a very long time.

SPEAKER_02 48:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:07

Shit. Her parents were actually called to come officially identify her body. Their only child.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

Shooting fucking rising star doing the best.

SPEAKER_04 48:21

On her way. And when, oh my god, I'm gonna show you a picture of her. Oh fucking beautiful. And it just makes you just like And that doesn't even matter, but like she had that just charisma. Nostalgic 80s look that we just loved with the curly

Arrest Trial And The U2 Claim

SPEAKER_04 48:40

hair and the yeah. Over in Tucson, the very next day, police start getting reports that this maniac is running in and out of traffic on I-10 trying to get a vehicle to hit him. It was Robert Bardo. The police are able to get him out of traffic, and when they do get him to the station, or it may have been on the way, he tells them that he is the man that killed Rebecca Schaefer. Now they send this information over to LA, and sure enough, he matches the description of the man the neighbor saw fleeing the scene. Now, after the damage had been done, Robert's sister comes forward and said that she, when she heard about the death of Rebecca Schaefer on the news, she knew it was probably Robert because he had written her letters about his obsession with her and how he had been pissed off that she had shared a love scene with another man and had even talked about killing Rebecca in those letters, and sis never said a word.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

Yeah, because you would be like, Oh, that's just bullshit, dude. Just quit infatuating about somebody. You know what I'm saying? You you wouldn't think that that would actually be a tangible, real thing. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 50:01

No, I don't know. I've well, I've never Well, if if she didn't look at all the Nobody has ever said those words to me, so thankfully I have a good family. But if they had, I would be like, what?

SPEAKER_02 50:14

I've never seen that. What do you mean you want to kill them? I've never thought anything about that. It was just like, but I mean, would you be just like, this is just bullshit? Whatever, dude. You know, I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

I don't I don't fucking know, but still, you don't fucking know, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_04 50:28

No. Oh, that's a lot of no's. But when she saw it on the news and knew right away that it was her brother, that's deep.

SPEAKER_02 50:39

Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:40

So that means he went into detail or had to have in those letters, and it obviously concerned her, but she never said anything.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

No, so like that was like an in-depth type. Like, okay, no, yeah, that's yeah, that's no, that's not cool. Yeah, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 50:56

Now his defense would try to plead insanity, and I absolutely believe that he is insane because this is not the behavior of a person of sound mind. And they said that the song Exit by U2 had also inspired him or actually possessed him to do this murder. Now, have you ever heard the song Exit by U2? So it is the point of view of a killer. Actually, that album, The Joshua Tree, had a few songs on there that caused a lot of controversy. Like But it's just music. I mean Sunday, Bloody Sunday. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:37

Yes. Uh, and what was the other one? Um, oh God, I'll have to think of it later. But there was a few on there that caused a lot of controversy in the public, and they got death threats for a few songs on that album.

SPEAKER_02 51:50

And some of those are revolutionary songs, like Sunday, blue sundae. Oh, it's like them trying to be artistic and just doing music. That's just music. I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_04 52:00

It is. And Bono was, I mean, a lyrical genius.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Yeah, we can't blame Marilyn Manson for the shit that happened either. There's a whole lot.

SPEAKER_04 52:07

I mean, MM, everybody has always been, you know, just scrutinized for their lyrics.

SPEAKER_02 52:12

You can't twist music into crime to me, because you part, you, you were, you were taking in that and listening to whatever that artistic part you can't physically use.

SPEAKER_04 52:24

Bono didn't want to play that song for uh after he found out about this. Shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

So that's fucking fun. He didn't want to say it. That's fucking a problem. And freedom, you know?

SPEAKER_04 52:34

So Jake Brennan has, and I've talked about his podcast quite a bit, uh, called Disgraceland. It's amazing. It's all a it's all true crime that happens in the music industry. And he has an episode about you two. He touches base on this actual case right here, and it's a really good one. It's a go, go look, go follow Disgraceland, look up the episode. It's really good.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

They're way better on the mic than we are.

SPEAKER_04 53:03

Well, it's okay, so it's different. It's not a it's not a it's not a discussion podcast, it's a production. So it's a whole different point of view. It's really, really good. For sure. So they actually played this song during his trial, and you can watch the trial on YouTube. Uh is a court TV. This man is straight up joking to this song while they play it.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Well, that's his fucking side.

SPEAKER_04 53:30

And they use that as evidence. But it's, I mean, I can okay, so okay. Being the artist that wrote the song, and if you watch that trial, which it was, it was on court TV, I would be horrified watching this murderer just fucking resonate and juke out to my song. I wouldn't want to play it anymore either. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 53:52

Yeah, but it's disgusting because he's using that and he's trying to play.

SPEAKER_04 53:56

It's not Bono's fault at all.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

He was just making art character to begin with, and now he's trying to act it out for his defense. Now, Marsha Clark, do you know who that is?

SPEAKER_04 54:08

Why do you keep asking me this? Okay, so well, I'm just because we grew up with this shit. So probably she would later be the lead prosecutor in the OJ trial that was just forced upon us.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

Again, fuck, yeah. That that was like you couldn't turn the TV until you seen that. I mean, every every channel, actually. It was like, fuck.

SPEAKER_04 54:28

Now she wasn't taking no shit, okay?

Privacy And Anti-Stalking Laws Afterward

SPEAKER_04 54:30

So on October 29th, 1991, Robert John Bardo was convicted of first-degree aggravated murder and was sentenced to life without parole. And he's still in there, guys. He's still serving his term.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Well, yeah, either which way, I mean, if it's insanity or whatever, he should not be in society at this point. And I do believe so far, whatever you've told me.

SPEAKER_04 54:54

No, he senselessly took a life of somebody that was just trying to be nice.

SPEAKER_02 54:59

Exactly. He should not be in society.

SPEAKER_04 55:01

No.

SPEAKER_02 55:01

No, you're caught red-headed, bro.

SPEAKER_04 55:04

Now, soon after what happened to Rebecca, there were privacy laws passed that would not allow the DMV to give out addresses for a dollar anymore. Thank you. And it's sad how a death had to occur for that law to pass, right? And her death also prompted the passing of anti-stalking laws. And Rebecca's parents, Dana, or Dana and Benson, became passionate advocates for gun control. And Dana launched the lobbying group called Oregons Against Gun Violence. And I can't say that I blame them a bit. Like I would be absolutely, I would just be, uh I don't even know. As a parent, I could not imagine what I would be like after this happened to my own. Like, I have four kids and I would be insane no matter what. But for that to be your only child, I can just imagine everything that they were feeling, everything that they were I would I would want I would want guns to be banned. It's deep.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

Period.

SPEAKER_04 56:15

Yeah, it's very I would I would want no one, no one ever to be able to hold a gun. Yeah, because of what happened to my child.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

We'd be done with both of them. Just because if that brought back somebody that I love so much, yeah. And you're one and only.

SPEAKER_04 56:30

Yeah. And you know, and I mean, there is we listen to disturbing music. Um, and the lyrics can be disturbing and things like that, but it's not just because of the genre that we listen to. There are musicians that use their art in writing and and write about the point of view of several different types of people. Period. Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_02 56:54

Well, I mean, we're listening to heavy music.

SPEAKER_04 56:57

But then there's the song by Garth Brooks, where he talks about his dad killing the mom because she cheated. So it's all different genres. And then the woman that killed her husband because she caught him cheating. So it's all genres. Yeah. Everybody writes disturbing lyrics, period.

SPEAKER_02 57:12

It just dep I mean it you can't take music as art as as anything as anything other than art and music. Exactly. Don't fuck that up and twist it into something else because that's why I mentioned Marilyn Manson, because everybody in the late night.

SPEAKER_04 57:30

But I mean, like it's not, it's definitely not just him at all.

SPEAKER_02 57:34

At all. At all. At fucking all. It's in every genre of music, actually. If you if you pay attention to the movie, every genre. I know.

SPEAKER_04 57:46

We know because we've been we listen to every genre of music. We we prefer the heavier, but we love all genres. And we have favorite songs by a wide spread of musicians.

SPEAKER_02 57:58

Yeah, historically, like some smooth jazz was actually way crazier about the music.

SPEAKER_04 58:03

Oh, I have a whole episode coming in season three about jazz. You know, yeah. And how it was the devil's music, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:11

Exactly. And we've only had music with words in it since the 1700s. So, but get some of that.

SPEAKER_04 58:22

But my point of all that is Robert Bardo was just a disturbed man, and you two and their song, I don't think should have been involved in the trial whatsoever. Um, because he was just point blank, period, a disturbed, obsessed, stalker man who needed serious mental help. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

And I do feel like being able to use music against that as a defense does not matter. And there has been, you know, music throughout. I mean, people love music.

SPEAKER_04 58:58

And there has been you can relate to it things like that.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

Throughout history forever, but still, like as them being like artistic and and telling the stories and folk music, and there's just been so many different ways to twist and all that. You don't hang on to that and create a whole criminal thing on top of it.

SPEAKER_04 59:19

No, you just enjoy it and appreciate it and bang your head or bop around or shake your ass to it, you know what I mean? And go on about your day.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

Yeah, my ass always goes in a circle. I just want to let you know that, Lindsay. It just does.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

That goes whatever way it decides to go.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

But like, okay, it's just like you got just, you know, you got so many different avenues of just creativity, and that's what she was doing too.

SPEAKER_02 59:47

Should not be an infatuation for another human to come in and take a lie for it, you know?

SPEAKER_04 59:51

It's not no, like I said, he was just a disturbed man who obsessed over other people before Rebecca, but she was accessible and she was nice and replied to his letter, and he took it way too personally. Yeah, don't do that. If you are a fan of somebody, just understand that they have their own life, they are appreciative of you being a fan of them, but they have their own life. Yeah, well, just remember that just appreciate their art, everyone, their art.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:25

Everyone is human beings just the same as you are. So whatever you go through, they're going through it too. And they have those steps of their creativity and their careers, and let them have them and theirs and all the stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:39

But this is just another case of mental health being overlooked. Yeah. And not being addressed.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:46

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:47

Still not and a senseless murder happened because of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

Yeah, still not a person that should be in society. Should have been looked at a little bit closer. There was probably a there was probably a breaking point right there.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:00

There was a lot of breaking points, and he had a terrible background. Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:04

Yeah. Salad, salad, salad. Not a good salad.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:07

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

No. Another one of these. But that is the end.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:11

Another one of these of our coverage on Rebecca Schaefer. May she rest in peace. Lindsay. Bless her beautiful little soul. She was only 21 years old.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:20

Lindsay. And I'm sure I have seen a lot of her work. I'm sure I have.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:31

Well, she you she wasn't in the industry long enough for you to have. Because we were little kids, you know? We were young, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:41

I'm showing Jesse a picture of her really quick. Okay. I hate these because so 90.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:49

Don't you just look at the 80s, 90s.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:51

Yes. Just gorgeous, beautiful rising star.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:57

She would still be like on the top of the street.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:00

I'm showing him a picture of her character in My Sister Sam. And doesn't that just bring you back to almost every sitcom we ever watched? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

And I love the jacket.

Band Pick And Where To Find Us

SPEAKER_04 1:02:10

Yes. I have like three of those. Lindsay's gonna share that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:13

You can check it out on Drink About Something.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:14

So follow us on our stories on Instagram, Drink About Something.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

There you go. Yeah. Just check out the stuffs. Lindsay, I got music though. I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

I'm so excited. What amazing band do you have in store for us today?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:28

Okay, Lindsay. This is Lady Lazarus, and this song is called Party. So I guess we're fitting a research. Without a party?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

With a little bit of party. Yeah, I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:40

Check it out. Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:57

I don't want them to die. I think that's loaded. I just want to party. I just want to party.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:43

Oh my God. Yeah. That was amazing. That was so much. I was over here joking, closing my eyes, headbanging, everything. I have followed them on Instagram and Spotify immediately. Uh their new album, Dichotomy, is out everywhere right now. You guys go follow them instantly. And also follow us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

Do the things, dude. This is so amazingly. We're everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:10

Our main website is drinkabout something.sight. We're on Instagram, Drink About Something. Uh, where are we at on YouTube, babe?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:16

Just type in Gen Z, J-E-N-D-S-E-Y. And you can come and hang out and see some videos of us on YouTube. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:24

And uh we do sporadic lives on TikTok, uh, which is drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay. And you can send us an email at drinkaboutsomethingpod at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

That was just so fun, dude. I'm sitting here juking still. Like I'm like, yay.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

And usually I let Jesse at this point pick a case out of the bag, but we're coming up on our third season. So I have the last four lined up for you guys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:51

We're rolling up, dude. We're rolling up and we're gonna have a party.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:57

Make sure you tune in on TikTok live on September 12th. We're gonna have an hours-long live.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:03

He's gonna buy me five more plants.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:05

I am.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:06

I'm gonna do it because he needs two more over there, two more succulents.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

Yeah, you do get some new ones, yeah. So we're just gonna do all that. Herbology is happening and the end of season two at the same time. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:21

We thank you guys so much for following along on this journey. And if you're new, keep on following. Go back and listen to our other 90 something episodes.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:28

Yeah, check out all the bands and all the uh stories and all the stuff and tell people about it, damn it. Yes, we love you so much, though. We're gonna go because we got stuff to do, and we'll see you guys next Friday. So we will see you later. Bye.