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EPISODE 100: Ted Bundy PART 1
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Ted Bundy doesn’t start as a headline, he starts as a story people around him tell to make everything feel normal. For our 100th episode, we kick off season three with part one of a three-part series that traces how secrecy, shame, and early violence can sit right beside a polished smile, a law school plan, and a “seems like a good guy” reputation.
We walk through Bundy’s early life and the identity lie that shaped it, plus the disturbing reports that show up long before the murders: cruelty, fear games, animal torture, voyeurism, and a growing need for control. We also talk about pornography and sexual violence content in the way Bundy later framed it, and why real prevention is less about moral panic and more about guidance, boundaries, and teaching what healthy relationships actually look like.
Then the mask gets sharper. We dig into his ambition, theft, politics, and the relationships he uses as motivation and leverage, including Liz Kendall and the “Stephanie” breakup that fuels a long con. One of the most chilling turns is the crisis hotline era, where Bundy works alongside Ann Rule, who later becomes central to how the world understands the case. From there, we lay out the first known 1974 attacks in Washington State, the patterns in his approach, the jurisdiction chaos that slows investigations, and the Lake Sammamish day that puts “Ted” into public fear.
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Season Three Kickoff And Warnings
SPEAKER_00Hey Jesse.
SPEAKER_01Hey Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00Here we are at our hundredth episode.
SPEAKER_01Season three.
SPEAKER_00Holy shit. Hey everybody. And welcome to the Drink About Something podcast. So Jesse and I have lived in this town for most of our lives. And this is the town where our subject for the next few weeks took his last victim. We grew up with this crime as a precautionary tale. But it wasn't until I was older that I knew of the absolute vile, horrific, and mind-blowing crimes of this man. In fact, it was in the first year or so of mine and Jesse's relationship that we sat down to watch a movie about Ted. And I really understood how horrific he was. I had never known all the details. And we're going to start drinking about them today.
SPEAKER_01Holy shit, Lindsay, I'm not ready for this.
SPEAKER_00Happy Friday.
SPEAKER_01Let's crank it up, season number three.
SPEAKER_00About this fuck. Season three is gonna be rough. Just letting y'all know that. So true crime aficionados lock in. And by the way, we are Jesse and Lindsay from the Drink About Something podcast, where we talk about true crime. We have a couple of drinks.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, uh, cheers, everyone.
SPEAKER_00And we plug an amazing band at the end of our episode that we do have permission to play. And Jesse, what is in your cup this evening?
SPEAKER_01I partook in a little bit of tequila. Oh, yeah. Because it's your birthday weekend. It is. Ho birthday weekend. And we're party, party, party all the way up until next weekend. That's what we're gonna do.
SPEAKER_00I am officially a Wendy's four for four.
SPEAKER_01I don't even think they have that anymore, do they? They don't.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I've been to Wendy's since they had a four for four.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. You don't even get a frosty. They don't give you you definitely don't get ketchup. You just get no napkins or nothing.
SPEAKER_00Nothing without a request. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I get it. I work for a report. But they'll tell you to pull forward before you get a request. Can you go ahead and pull forward and they're you're the only person in line, and then you they come up and you ain't got nothing to eat, nothing with. Whole ass beard full of just sandwich.
SPEAKER_00I work for a corporate restaurant, and I can attest to the fact that you don't get anything unless you request it. Unless it absolutely
Drinks Birthday Weekend And Banter
SPEAKER_00automatically comes with the mail. It's there's there's stipulations. Read the menu.
SPEAKER_01So we're fixing to ride this big ass wave, the biggest wave that's ever hit our county.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I don't know. Our county's been hitting some shit lately, but this is the oldest one.
SPEAKER_01Documented. I mean, there's some older shit that happened, some lynchings and some crazy shit in the 30s, but we we'll bring that up later on. Yeah, I got some shit too, Lindsay. I'm gonna be talking about some shit, and we're gonna do some traveling and we're gonna talk about some shit that happened in our travels here pretty soon, too. So all that's coming.
SPEAKER_00So my birthday just passed, you guys. And I mean, we celebrated it today, but by the time this comes out, my 44th birthday will have passed. And I got some life-changing gifts, we'll put it that way. And um, Jesse got me a really cool ticket to a really cool haunted house or haunted trail, excuse me, down a little bit south of us. Yeah. And yeah, I'm freaking excited for everything that I was bestowed upon me today.
SPEAKER_01Stay tuned for all that footage. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But listen, Jesse, you know I have a question for you.
SPEAKER_01For me.
SPEAKER_00We're okay. We're we're we're we're keeping it going into season three.
SPEAKER_01See, I thought I thought we were gonna change something.
SPEAKER_00No, what made you feel oh this way? Son of a 44 years have come and gone. Jesse and I are now at the same age for the next few months.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I find myself reaching back to old 50s music.
SPEAKER_00I couldn't help it.
SPEAKER_01We're not 50 there, but we're not, we're not, we're not 70.
SPEAKER_00But I'm just saying, like, you know what I'm saying? You you should be listening to like the 40s because we're in our 40s.
SPEAKER_01Oh, is that how we're rolling? No, I love me some old jazz and shit now, some jump jiving well. What's my ringtone? My ringtone is in the mood. No, I just really have been for the last three weeks listening to 50s music.
SPEAKER_02Yo, man. Can we belong together?
SPEAKER_01I love all that, man. It's just so good.
SPEAKER_00Fuck eternity. It's like Jesse is going back in time, and I'm like, give me the heaviest fucking shit that you can possibly hand me. Like, just make the whole thing breeze and pig squills and gutturals, like the whole song. I don't even it don't even have to have a melody.
SPEAKER_01I just I get that too, but I know it's only rock and roll and I like it. That's you know, but I mean, what made you feel old this week, Lindsay?
SPEAKER_00I turned 44.
SPEAKER_01Wah fucking wah.
SPEAKER_00Actually, I'm gonna say what made me feel young this week. I had a little, a little worker guy at the Walmart grocery pickup who he looked. So I had some white claws in my order, okay, because it's time to have a drink. Drinking for the weekend. And he checked my ID. He he looked at the ID, he looked at me, he looked back at the ID, looked at me again, he said, You look real nice for someone born in 82. Yeah, and you're like, thank you.
SPEAKER_02You're like looking back at me. I see that I never fucking got in right.
SPEAKER_01And he stopped to think of you and brought you your fucking white claws too.
SPEAKER_00But what made me feel old was I'm at the DMV and I had to get my license renewed this year, and I was really, really worried about the eye exam. Like I've been stressing it. You know I have been. I was sweating.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you have I was sweating when I walked up to that shit.
SPEAKER_00But you know what? I read every word or every letter. Yeah. And I looked down at the bottom two lines that I'm gonna have to read in the future, and I could still read them too. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01I had to put on cheaters the other day. Oh, it's what our old people used to call the little helpers. They called it that too. So you can see the fine print.
SPEAKER_00Now I'm gonna go ahead and say it was a little blurry, but I saw them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the up close.
SPEAKER_00That's all that and that's all that matters, right?
SPEAKER_01The up closeness. Yes.
SPEAKER_00It well, like I was like, for when I put my eyes in, I'm like, where am I looking? And then I look down, I'm like, oh hey.
SPEAKER_01It's binoculars, it's the same ones from 1982.
SPEAKER_00I haven't had to do an eye exam since I was 16. Do you know how many years ago that was?
SPEAKER_01We're not gonna talk about that, Linda. Yeah, that's brilliant. I can't even do that. We're not gonna talk about Bruno right here. No. We don't talk about it.
SPEAKER_00No, but what you got in your cup? Oh, did we already talk about that?
SPEAKER_01We kind of did. Yeah. I didn't talk about what you had in your cup.
SPEAKER_00You didn't.
SPEAKER_01No, what you got in your cup?
SPEAKER_00I got peach and mango white claw with some peach Celsius. And guess what?
SPEAKER_01Oh, we've brought out a shot glass here.
SPEAKER_00Gotta put him uh Ted.
SPEAKER_01From Elizabeth Kohler's killer shots. Yeah. Killer shots. We're gonna go hang out with her here in a couple weeks. Y'all stay tuned for that because we're gonna do the recap of all of this fucking shit. Lindsay
Aging Jokes And Feeling Old
SPEAKER_01has stories. We have a shot glass. We're gonna tell you more about it here in a little bit. It's so beautiful. Follow all the socials so you can see pictures. I'm not excited for this. I'm really not.
SPEAKER_00I'm excited and horrified all at the same time.
SPEAKER_04Oh, so here we go.
SPEAKER_00We're gonna start a three-parter, you guys. So, Theodore Robert Cowell was born November 24th, 1946, to Eleanor Louise Cowell. And his father is not really known. See, Eleanor was a teen mom, and actually, Eleanor went by Louise because her mom was also named Eleanor. And she was sent to the Lund home for unwed mothers in Burlington, Vermont. She claimed that Ted's father was a veteran named Jack Worthington who abandoned her and then later stated that it was actually another veteran named Lloyd Marshall. But his birth certificate says a nun.
SPEAKER_05Wow.
SPEAKER_00When she came home from having Ted to avoid shame upon the family, Ted was raised as Louise's brother. And he called his grandparents mom and dad. And their names were Samuel and Eleanor Cowell.
SPEAKER_01Once again.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01Fucking wow.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It is also speculated that his grandfather was his actual father.
SPEAKER_01More fucking dump truck. Wow.
SPEAKER_00Fucking hell. So many dump trucks. But we'll never know. Now, I did find in the Google machine that a DNA test was later determined that it was not incestuous, but that's also speculated. It's speculation, okay? We're speculating wildly. Joan Calamazzo Parks and Rec, okay?
SPEAKER_01Spreckensy speculationing.
SPEAKER_00Now Ted lived in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and it's on record that he loved his grandfather dad. But Samuel was actually an alcoholic, and he was an abusive man to his wife, his kids, and animals. In fact, he would swing cats by their tails just for shits and giggles. That was Sam. That was Samuel. Damn it. Ted's granddaddy dad.
SPEAKER_01Damn it.
SPEAKER_00And it said that Samuel threw his daughter down a flight of stairs.
SPEAKER_01So more like huge piles of salad. This is gonna be the biggest salad that we've ever. This is a buffet. This is a buffet.
SPEAKER_00It's the garden bar.
SPEAKER_01Yes. It's the weekend at the sizzler.
SPEAKER_00And his grandmother had been a recipient of electroconvulsive therapy. Electro shock therapy? Yeah. Oh. For depression.
SPEAKER_01Fucking hell.
SPEAKER_00You know, I went into a deep when I found that out. I went into a whole side deep dive. That is fucking horrific. That is just as bad as lobotomies. Like they were trying to fucking kill women back in the day.
SPEAKER_01I mean, okay. Back to Appalachia in my childhood, real quick. Mm-hmm. Beverly Hillbilly's granny, right? Well, they did that in the movie. Electroshock Theory. While I was watching that movie, my grandmother was there and she did not laugh because she had had that done to her.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. Oh.
SPEAKER_01My Hillbilly Grandpa. It's funny if it's been done to you. Yeah. And she's like, uh, that ain't funny at all. But I mean, I could tell you way cooler, way more horrific salad stories about my family and grandmother, the shit she went through.
SPEAKER_00We want a whole episode on that. But right now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00We're gonna talk about some more of Ted.
SPEAKER_01Clocking back in.
SPEAKER_00But even after all this shit, I mean, you know, Ted didn't see this as a child, and he loved his grandfather, dad, and he clung to him, quote unquote. That's uh an actual quote. And do you know what? One of our favorite actors, Jack Nicholson, he was also raised by his grandparents, who he thought was his mom and dad, and he thought that his mom was his sister. But he didn't grow up to be a sadistic killer, but he he just played one in a couple of movies.
SPEAKER_01He went the other way, he went the theatrical way.
SPEAKER_00And I'm telling y'all right now, what was his son's name? Ray?
SPEAKER_01I think so. God, he's so fucking awful.
SPEAKER_00We are in love with Ray. We're in love with Jack's son, Ray.
SPEAKER_01That was like uh a revival.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like he came back and he's new and he still has all the mannerisms and looks and
Bundy’s Birth Lies And Upbringing
SPEAKER_01he has Jack's face.
SPEAKER_00Like I was showing one of uh my favorite managers the other night, and she was like, Holy shit, like it gave her chills.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but he goes from like goofy to like that, yeah, like straight to that, and it's just so deep and dark, and you gotta follow that, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we need we need a redo of Batman Returns with that fucker playing Joker.
SPEAKER_01For fuck's sake, dude. Let's bring back the the that style Batman that or that style, yes, Tim Burton style Batman with that joker. Oh, that was so good.
SPEAKER_00But I had to include that little factoy because it is actually plugged in almost everything I've ever heard about Ted Bundy is the comparison to Jack Nicholson because Jack Nicholson didn't become what Ted did, even though he was raised under the same circumstances.
SPEAKER_01So his salad was not the salad that we're talking about. It was a whole different, like a normal salad. It was salad though. But Jack Nicholson just took it all the way to a theatrical side, and we're so appreciative of that, you know. It's like, come on, dude.
SPEAKER_00Yes, we love you so much, Jack. Turn around all the things. Somebody tag him in this episode because we want to be friends. We relate with him and his son.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I guess cousins and other people in the area actually knew the truth about Ted, or they they knew enough to start teasing him, and they would call him a bastard. And he would later uh find out the actual truth, and it said that that's when he changed.
SPEAKER_01That was the turning point. Wow.
SPEAKER_00And he would end up growing a pretty deep hatred for women, and he resented his mother for not telling him the truth. Okay, so because Ted's mom, like I said, who went by Louise, she would take him with her to live with some cousins in Tacoma, Washington. So they're now on the west. They are in the east, now they're on the west side. But he still thought that Louise was his sister.
SPEAKER_01So he was just completely confused and destroyed, too. And he felt like his livelihood was null and void, and he had to portray his hatred towards something, which is probably it was way later on.
SPEAKER_00He's not hating her late. He's not hating her right now. He's only like four.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but he's still having some, he he he's lashing out in the in negative ways. It it changed his way later on.
SPEAKER_00Yes, way later on. Gotcha. We'll get there.
SPEAKER_01Gotcha.
SPEAKER_00Salad. So now they're in Tacoma, Washington, and at a singles night at the local church, she met Johnny Culpepper Bundy. They married, and Johnny adopted Ted, hence the name Bundy, and they would end up having four more kids together. Now Ted was three or four at the time of their marriage. He thought his sister Louise was getting married. He didn't know that was mom. Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Here comes the mom, Jill.
SPEAKER_00And that's when Ted did his first really questionable act, if you want to call it. I don't I don't really know what to call it. So Ted's aunt said that she woke up from a nap one day and Ted had surrounded her with knives and was maniacally laughing. He's like three or four at this time.
SPEAKER_02This fucking young lady.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Now he would be described after this as a mean-spirited kid who liked to inflict pain and suffering and fear. Now Ted had a speech impediment when he was younger. He stuttered. And he would be teased for that. And just like his grandfather, he would torture cats and he even lit one on fire.
unknownOh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Shit's sake. He would lure kids into the woods where he had created pungey traps. Do you know what that is?
SPEAKER_01That's the uh the step on trap with the spikes, right? Yes.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Good job. Good job.
SPEAKER_01Fuck.
SPEAKER_00Because I meant to write a description of my script and I didn't, but I knew if you knew that it would trigger.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they use a lot of that like in Vietnam and stuff. Yep.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. And he would also make the kids strip naked and terrorize them. And it's said by people in the area that you could hear these kids screaming from the woods. Now, why weren't things being done about that? You're just sitting on your back porch or your front porch listening to kids screaming in the woods, knowing that little Teddy is terrorizing them.
SPEAKER_01Right. How do you sit back and be like, oh, that's just some kids out there playing in them woods, right? And then no.
SPEAKER_00No, when there's screaming involved, mama's getting involved, daddy's getting involved. Listen, I'm just gonna put this out there. I am not your average type mother. I got I got a bad mouth, but let me tell you something. When it comes to somebody talking sideways to my kids, and I don't even have to be sideways, it can be almost sideways, and that trigger button has been pushed, and I'm a whole different person.
SPEAKER_01The Brahma bull comes out.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01And well, this is like the 50s or something by now, right?
SPEAKER_00So he was born in 46. So late 50s, early 60s. Yeah. Or no.
SPEAKER_01So there's a big hold on, hold on.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, late 50s. Yeah. Late 50s. We're not in the middle of the year.
SPEAKER_01There's a big thought of processing different things on how I don't give a fuck.
SPEAKER_00I know, I know. I'm just saying it's just there. Yeah. It's just there.
SPEAKER_01But it was like, okay, culturalistically, it was it was decades. I mean, of course, decades away, but like centuries away in our brain.
SPEAKER_00They're still taught to love and nurture their kids. Right. Where is that protective instinct at? Because, like I said, I'm not your, you know, hovering over protective mom that's feeding them fucking kale. Right.
SPEAKER_01And you would think like if if one of the kids said screaming in the woods, their dad would whip his ass too, because that was back when the neighborhood could whip your kids.
SPEAKER_00Everybody's ass.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna beat my kids too.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, we're we're definitely.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna beat them for being out. No, I do know that it was different because I like, I mean, even being born in the 80s, raised in the 90s, like my parents didn't know where I was till nine o'clock.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Okay, and let alone like trying to listen out for you. There was like trying to just be like happy that you were out doing something. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And if I was screaming in the woods, they were like, oh, she's out there playing with them cows again.
SPEAKER_01Same thing. Yep, boo yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because if a cow was out there having a baby or had a baby, I was out there squealing in delight and cuddling that that calf. And like I mean, and the mom would come up and headbutt me and try to get me away, but you weren't keeping me away from them babies.
SPEAKER_01Like I was like, Well, at least have the avenue to have trust in your parents enough or parent type figures.
SPEAKER_00No, okay. I won't judge, but still screaming to the point where later on you can testify that he's torturing kids out in the woods, you know? Yeah. Because this didn't cut this didn't come to light until this made it to testification.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Damn.
SPEAKER_00I'm taking a sip. Now his grandfather, his grandfather dad, would expose him to pornographic magazines at a very young age. And he will later blame most of his actions on porn in general. And I think that's widely known. But like, I mean, he'll pretty much say porn is the root of all evil. And I do agree. And we've had this conversation in other episodes. We've had this conversation at some of your shows. Like, you know, raising boys, like you have to let them know that that shit's not realistic.
SPEAKER_01Right, right. You have to let them know that. It's not a justifiable statistic that you can get content from and actually think that's part of livelihood.
SPEAKER_00No, because even if I mean, of course, we're not gonna say, hey, go look at porn, but they're gonna be exposed to it.
SPEAKER_01Everybody's adventurous, they're wanting to figure things out.
SPEAKER_00You have to let them know, hey, this isn't real. This is these are actors. This is like watching a movie. This isn't real.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they edited all that shit just the same as I do on this podcast.
SPEAKER_00Right. And as he got older, he would start rummaging through garbage cans to try and find pornographic images or magazines, things like that. So it became an addiction, and porn does become an addiction. And it's over my head, but I know it's a thing. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and he's hung on to it so hard right now. He's digging through everybody else's shit thinking that they're the same as a big thing.
SPEAKER_00And they're garbage, right? And he particularly would like, or he liked to also try and find crime novels that would involve sexual violence. And I didn't like, I mean, we've talked about this before, but it still blows my mind that that was even a thing in that time period. And I know it was, but it's still because you and I, as children, were raised thinking that that time period, the 50s and the 60s, was wholesome goodness or hippies, but it was not. No, this shit goes way back. Oh, yeah. Way back.
SPEAKER_01You gotta think about what happened in Greece where they had wholesale. I was about to say, now that we're adults, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean, yeah, watch the fucking tutors. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was just uh he was a he was very fucking young to be into this, and nobody to guide him down the road the right way at all.
SPEAKER_00Well, we've talked about a couple of other killers that were exposed to porn at a very young age as well, and it did it didn't turn out great. I'm not saying that everybody that is exposed to porn at a young age is gonna be a serial killer. Absolutely not, but try and keep them as wholesome as you can. Yeah. As much as you can.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the I mean the path widens, but you still gotta point the damn arrow a little bit for them. Come on.
SPEAKER_00Now he would also start drinking at a young age, and this was something that I did not know either. Like, pretty much everything that we're gonna talk about for the next three weeks, he did drunk as fuck. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So he's already have two, he has two addictions already, basically.
SPEAKER_00Pretty much. He would, like I said, start drinking at a young age, and he would go around and he would find windows
Early Violence Porn And Voyeurism
SPEAKER_00without curtains to view women undressing. He would also develop delusions of grandeur. Fucking way.
SPEAKER_01Not those, Lindsay, no.
SPEAKER_00What what was that from? Clue? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Delusions of grandeur. You gotta put the oar in the end of it.
SPEAKER_00Do it the way you were doing it.
SPEAKER_01Delusions of grandeur. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Hashtag R-I-P.
SPEAKER_00Tim Curry.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So he wanted to be really important one day. And Ted was also quite bougie and very, very vain. He wanted to always be sharply dressed. He wanted the finer things in life. Okay. And the finer things in life to Ted was um, so I was I'm I'm listening to a lot of the Ted Bundy tapes. And one thing that he really wanted, like he strived for, was he wanted to have enough underwear and socks to where he never had to wear the same pair twice. Just fresh out of the package, socks and underwear every day. That was Can I iterate? Go ahead. You want that too? No chip.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01No, no. So my grandma, she got married to a my other grandpa, not my, you know, not my byline, my step, my step-grandpa. Right. Alvin. Right? I can say that because R.I.P. and all the stuff, right? He never wore the same socks twice. Ever.
SPEAKER_00Was he a Sagittarius like you because Ted Bundy is?
SPEAKER_01Leave me alone, Lindsay. I don't know, but yeah, he never wore the same socks twice, ever.
SPEAKER_00But you like you like to have a lot of socks. You don't need fresh out of the package once every day.
SPEAKER_01You can look at mine. I got holes in all mine.
SPEAKER_00But you want f okay, so you're like conflicted. You want fresh brand new socks all the time, but you have this thing inside of you that is like, I don't want to spend the money.
SPEAKER_01I don't want to spend the money.
SPEAKER_00And I get so mad at him. I'm like, bitch, if you don't go spend the $20.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you've ripped up my socks in front of me. You're like, fuck these damn holy things, you know? But at least my underwear don't have holism.
SPEAKER_00Never. Never. I've never seen that. But he will wear Elson socks until I say Jesse.
SPEAKER_01They're done. So no, I'm not like that. No.
SPEAKER_00But what I'm saying is, but you want that.
SPEAKER_01I want it. But I'm yeah, yeah, well, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because uh I mean that salad with tip, buddy. No, no, no. What I'm saying is, like, even my dad, like, that's all he's ever wanted for Christmas. That's all you've ever really got for Christmas is socks and underwear. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, but now, okay, I will be a little bit more bundyish and say, I want the bougie kinds. Let me pick out the ones that I want. But don't make me feel like I'm Bundyish while I'm trying to be Bundyish.
SPEAKER_00No, no, no, no. I'm just trying to like the Sag thing, the Sagittarius.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah. But I'm also like not, you know, I am very reserved when it comes to spending money on myself.
SPEAKER_00But listen, so I told you guys in a previous episode, if we ever w got who like came into money, there would be signs. Mine would be the 12-foot fucking skeleton from Home Depot, and Jesse's would be like an entire dresser of socks and underwear.
SPEAKER_01Gourmet socks. Yes. We're talking about the finer socks of life.
SPEAKER_00All right, let's get back to Ted. All right. So this attitude that he would have, this this bouginess, okay, it would actually, it made him dislike his stepfather and have little respect for him because Johnny was what he would call just a cook at an army base. And a cook at an army base is still a very good fucking job.
SPEAKER_01Admirable job. That's fucking sure enough, slanging.
SPEAKER_00Ted was a little too smart for his britches, like literally. Like he is extremely intelligent to the point where it's like he doesn't know what to do with his intelligence.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but army base stepfather should have taken him fucking take your teddy to work day or something. Man, like, hey, this is my next thing. You're fitting to go there.
SPEAKER_00So he tried so hard. Johnny tried so hard to include Ted, and he wanted to take him camping and do all kinds of like Boy Scout shit with him. And Ted just was not Ted actually like looked down on Johnny.
SPEAKER_01What the fuck? He was the only stand-up person that's been in his life yet as as of this far.
SPEAKER_00Well, he would later say that Johnny wasn't very bright and didn't make that much money. That was like his whole philosophy of Johnny.
SPEAKER_01As still being a young man over that, he's that full of himself already.
SPEAKER_00I like I said, he's he's he's a little too bright for his britches. He's advanced beyond his years. It doesn't work out for him. And I I had this conversation with you when you got off work. I was like, this man could have been fucking great if he hadn't done what we're gonna what we're gonna continue talking about for the next three weeks. Yeah, I mean, I heard I mean he was vain and and shitty, but he's very, very intelligent. Now, Ted, he was not a very social guy and he really didn't understand how to have friendships. As he got into high school, though, he was going to Woodrow Wilson High School. He says that he didn't really go to dances and he really didn't go out drinking with the guys and that he was mercilessly picked on. They would make sure only the cold water would work for him, like when you took showers in the gym and stuff like that. Yeah, like this.
SPEAKER_01Oh, they're kind of ranking him out a little bit there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But later on, students who were interviewed that went to that school, they would say that he was well liked. So, I mean, who the fuck knows? But you know, shit like that happens. There was a young man that I went to school with whose older brother completed suicide. And this kid had a lot of demons. He was he was battling a lot of demons. And he was a loner and he was having girl trouble. And when it came to that kid's funeral, everybody spoke well about him. But when I talked to his brother, his brother was like, none of these people fucking gave a shit about him while he was alive. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01Or was that just his perception, you know?
SPEAKER_00He wasn't no, his brother that I was in, I was in band with his brother.
SPEAKER_01Oh.
SPEAKER_00And he was like, none of these people I don't know any of these people that are speaking well about him. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like it was a farce. It was all a put on. Right.
SPEAKER_00So you yeah, witnesses like that aren't always to be trusted.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. They're trying to, they're trying to make their self look a little bit better in the outcome, you know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because it's it's I mean, it's now a terrible situation. I mean, that young man stepped in front of a semi-truck on I-10.
SPEAKER_01I remember that, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00Yes, you do. Now, Ted, he did enjoy downhill skiing, but he didn't have a lot of money. And he would steal the equipment to do that activity, and he would also forge the lift tickets because you know, you gotta you gotta lift up to go down. And he was arrested twice on suspicion of burglary and car theft, but that would get expunged from his record at 18. And Ted will go on to say that he did a lot of fucking stealing, a lot, just because he knew he could and he knew how to get out of it. Like he was uh in one of the conversations I was listening to today, he said that he just he saw this Navajo rug in a store and he wanted that shit and he rolled it up and just walked out with me. I like it, and I'm gonna take it home with me. Stereo equipment. Kind of makes me feel nice, warm, and fuzzy inside when I do this. Well, there was one instance where he was stealing something, and they were like, Hey, have you seen so-and-so and so-and-so stealing this? And he's like, I think they went that way, and he was the motherfucker. Now he would graduate high school in 1965, and he attended the University of Pudgett Sound, and then later on he transferred to the University of Washington, and he was studying like deep Chinese, like that is a hard language to learn.
School Theft And A Vain Persona
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like I think actual Native children don't even speak that shit. Don't do that until they're like four. Now that may have just been a myth that I was taught when I was growing up. But yeah. But have you ever said, oh my God, Chinese handwriting is the absolute, it's beautiful.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Like all the symbols and the way they do it, and oh my God, I just love it. I love it so much. There was a movie that I grew up watching. If you're new here, I was raised very um conservative Christian. And there was a movie about a woman who had been persecuted uh for her religious beliefs in China during World War II. And like this movie, it just shows her like writing letters, and that was just always so fascinating to me. I'm like, oh my God, I want to learn how to write Chinese. And Ted was he was into it as well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, she was kind of like the Anne Frank version of Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00She's never seen that movie. And that story is absolutely fascinating. Uh, well, I don't remember the details of it right now, but the movie was called China Cry, I want to say. Is that right? Because that made you watch it with me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I've seen it before. I can't.
SPEAKER_00Just because of the cultural aspect of it really just fascinated me.
SPEAKER_01Is that like kind of like a Mandarin type language? Or I will get back to you on part two. But yeah, it's it's it's tough, but yeah, yeah. A lot of languages, though, they only have like one word that means a lot of different things, too. So I don't know, but it seems it seems tough. It really does.
SPEAKER_00So while he's attending college, he meets Stephanie Brooks, which is an alias, by the way. And she was thin and she had brown hair, parted down the middle, which would be a look that he would hang on to pretty much forever. Now, Stephanie was everything he wanted. She was pretty, she was smart, she came from a very wealthy family. But after they dated for a while, Stephanie realized that Ted really wasn't what she was looking for. She thought he was kind of immature and lacked the drive that she was looking for in a long-term partner, which is just fine. Nobody needs to blame Stephanie for Ted Bundy's crimes because it has been done.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, no. Yeah, no, I'm not seeing anything of that guy. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_00So she broke up with him. And this actually would light a fire under his ass for a long con game. Like he was depressed at first and he dropped out of school, but then he becomes like, I'll show her. So he goes back to school to major in psychology at the University of Washington. And in 1968, he goes to work for the Republican presidential campaign of Nelson Rockefeller.
SPEAKER_01That's right.
SPEAKER_00And he was Arthur Fletcher's driver and bodyguard during his campaign for governor. And he would also attend a Republican national convention in Miami.
unknownDude.
SPEAKER_00Republican, Republican, Republican.
SPEAKER_01He's traveling, all the Republicans.
SPEAKER_00He was not a fucking hippie. We can say that for sure. And in his taped interviews, he says that he absolutely loved this experience. And this was like the only time that he really felt like a member of society. And he would go on to work for the chairman of the Washington Republican Party. Like I said, he was the opposite of a hippie in this time period because it's literally like either or.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's around right now. His people, intelligent, devious people, politicians.
SPEAKER_00And people that were bougie. He did not agree with any kind of like distribution of wealth. He was like, nah, let's make them fucking rich richer, okay? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01How many socks have you bought this year? I haven't worn the same one twice ever.
SPEAKER_00Now check this out. He goes on to work for a crisis center, like a crisis hotline, okay? And this was through a work study program where he meets and becomes friends or best friends with Anne Rule. Imagine it. Okay, so this is 1971. Imagine you're like, I've got my vape as a phone right here. You're calling the crisis hotline, and you get Ted fucking Bundy to talk you off the fucking ledge. Now Anne Rule will say that he's a story. Ann Rule says that he was amazing at it. I'm listening, okay. So I'm listening to two books right now. So Ann Rule's book is called The Stranger Beside Me. And I'm also listening to the Ted Bundy tapes. And like I'm riveted by both, okay?
SPEAKER_01I'm riveted right now.
SPEAKER_00I know. So Ted Bundy was the voice of a crisis. I can't get over that shit. And Anne Rule says that he was amazing at it. Now, Ann Rule was also, she was volunteering. Ted was part of a work study program, so he was getting paid. But Anne Rule's volunteering because she was also a police officer and she was also a crime, a crime writer. Like she wrote the tale of crimes. She will later be involved in the shit that he does. It oh my God, it's so much. Wee! Yeah, yeah. Like I like look at my eyes.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, You're bugging, yeah. Ah, yeah. No, you you're you're dead ass in the middle of this whole thing.
SPEAKER_00Literally listen, I am so intrigued. Okay, so now he goes on to date a woman famously known as Liz Kendall, which is also an alias. And Liz had a little girl. You know about this one. Now Ted and Liz would date for about seven years. In 1973, Ted gets accepted into the University of Law School, and he's still dating Liz, but he reconnects with Stephanie.
SPEAKER_01No, Ted. This ain't gonna work, Ted.
SPEAKER_00And he did uh he reconnected with her when he was on a trip to California with the Republican Party. And he's like, hey, remember uh when you said that I wasn't motivated? Look at me now, girl. Yeah, I was a level five, now I'm a level 99. And she was impressed, and they start dating again. He's got Liz up in Washington, Stephanie in California.
SPEAKER_01And he's showing them both his sock collection.
SPEAKER_00And then after a while, like Stephanie is completely impressed. She is like, Oh my god, you did a whole 360 here. What the fuck? And he proposed to Stephanie, and when she said yes, he just stopped talking to her.
SPEAKER_01He won her over and he's like, Gotti.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, his whole point was to say, look at what I can do.
SPEAKER_01Legs in the air, just kicking.
SPEAKER_00Which is weird because this is he says he will forever say that Stephanie is the only woman that he ever truly loved. But he's with Liz for seven years. He was with Stephanie for one.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's his motivation.
SPEAKER_00Not even a full year, it was like a summer.
SPEAKER_01He wanted to show up and be like, notcha bitch, and then dip out. He's like, he had that power, so now he's addicted to that too, right?
Politics Love Triangles And The Hotline
SPEAKER_00All right, take a deep breath.
SPEAKER_01Fuck hell shit, balls. So now we're up to go ahead, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_001974. Damn it. And this is when it all starts. There is speculation that he had committed murder before 74. But this is when the crimes that we know about start happening. Women in the area would start coming up missing, and witnesses would say that the last person that they would see these women with was a good-looking fella who was always in it, either in a sling, a cast, or using crutches.
SPEAKER_01So he was that guy.
SPEAKER_00He was that guy. On January 4th of 1974, Karen Sparks, who was an 18-year-old student, she was sleeping in her dorm or apartment with her roommates in the house, and woke up to Ted beating the shit out of her with a metal post from her own bed, and he also raped her with this metal post, and it was left inside of her. Now Karen would survive this attack, but she was permanently damaged in her brain, ears, and internal organs.
SPEAKER_01I'm trying to let it sink in, Lindsay. This is fucking. This is so terrible.
SPEAKER_00No fucking terrible.
SPEAKER_01The more I'm thinking about it, the fucking worse it gets. Keep talking. Say something.
SPEAKER_02Say something, I'm giving a bunny.
SPEAKER_00We got a lot of victims in this first episode. This is so bad. I can't. On February 1st of 1974, Linda Ann Healy, who was 21 and a Weather announcer for the ski slopes would be Ted's next victim. He saw her at a bar, followed her home where she had four roommates. And briefly, I want to sidetrack to the Idaho four case. Because listen, y'all out there, I'm chronically online. Y'all have got to stop blaming these roommates because every single one, okay, not every single one, but most of Ted's victims had roommates who were either in the next room. Well, not either in the next room. They were mostly in the next room and they didn't know anything. Stop blaming these children because they're still kids. These are all people in their 20s or less for what happens in a dorm room. Okay. Remember that as I continue on the next three weeks, because I'm tired of seeing people blame those poor roommates for the Idaho 4 uh murders. Because Brian Koberger did that shit. He didn't have no help. That was all him. I'm sorry. Here's my TED talk. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01Your whole ass motherfucking soapbox here. All I can say right now is Greek life.
SPEAKER_00Because it's gonna get deeper into Greek life as we go forward, okay? Ted waited until she was asleep. He broke into her room and bludgeoned her with a crowbar. She does not survive. He takes her bloody dressing gown, nightgown, whatever you want to call it, he takes that off of her and hangs it in the closet, and then dresses her in different clothes, wraps her in a sheet, puts a pillowcase over her head, and before he takes her with him, he makes the bed.
SPEAKER_01This is definitely not his second. He has been doing this shit. That's no fucking way. There's way more than this.
SPEAKER_00Ted's difficult, okay. Now her roommates get a call from her job the next morning asking if they've seen her because she's never late. She's always on time, they're to report that fucking weather for the skiers. And that's when they found a blood-soaked bed and a nightgown. Four roommates. I just want that out there. Four. The Idaho four case had two that they're trying to say were involved. Y'all shut the fuck up and go back and and and and and listen to me. Listen to me.
SPEAKER_01Lindsay's gonna whip that ass. You keep talking shit.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Leave them gardens alone. Oh my god. I get it.
SPEAKER_01I get it. I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_00They can't they can't even be in the world.
SPEAKER_01Them kids was scared, man. They were scared. They're like, holy fuck, we're actually in this situation that our parents told us not to get into. This really fucking happened. And even even then, like both scenarios. They're they're in shock.
SPEAKER_00The only piece that will ever be found of Linda Ann's remains was her jawbone on what would become Ted's dumping ground, uh, which is Mount Taylor, on March 12th, 1974. So I just want to go ahead and say there's gonna be one a month and two at one point. Ted's next victim is Donna Gail Manson from Olympia, Washington. She was a student at Evergreen State College and was 19 years old. She was supposed to attend a jazz concert with friends, but never showed up. Now it said that she was the type of girl that wouldn't come around sometimes or cancel plans. So she wasn't reporting for quite a few days. I think it was like six days. And she would be another victim found. Her remains would be found on Taylor Mountain. Ted later says that he burned her skull in Liz's fireplace. His girlfriend. Liz is the girlfriend.
SPEAKER_01Took it home and was like, we're gonna play with this. So he's doing well.
SPEAKER_00You and I have watched the movie, he decapitates most of his victims. Oh yeah. The next victim is Susan Elaine Rancourt. And Ted got her on her way back to her dorm after attending a meeting at Central Washington State College on April 17th, 1974. And her skull would also be found on Taylor Mountain. On May 6th, 1974, Ted gets his next victim, who was 20-year-old Roberta Kathleen Parks, and she was a student at Oregon State University and was leaving her dorm to have coffee with friends, but never showed up. He abducted her, bound and gagged her, took her back to Washington, killed her, and also put her on Taylor Mountain. Brenda Carroll Ball was 22, and she disappeared on June 1st, 1974. Now he says that they had consensual sex before he strangled her in her sleep. But when her skull was later found, there was a lot of damage to it. And she had been leaving a tavern, and he was using the sling tactic like he needed help. And he would be driving that famous VW bug. The one with the missing front seats. I think the door handles were fucked with too, if I can remember correctly. We'll get into more of that next episode. On June 11th, 1974. So now this is two in one month. Georgianne Hawkins, who was 18 years old and a University of Washington student, she was last seen in a brightly lit alleyway between her boyfriend, her boyfriend's dorm and her sorority house. She was approached by a man with a leg cast on and crutches carrying a briefcase. Ted would later say that he immediately attacked her when he got into his or when she got to his car with a crowbar. He handcuffed her and drove her to Issaqua. He then strangled her and spent the night with her corpse. Now, listeners, if you didn't already know, Ted was a necrophiliac. And he would revisit each one of these victims and violate their corpses until it was no longer possible because of decomposition. And he wouldn't just revisit them, he would wash their hair, he would put makeup on them. It was a lot.
SPEAKER_01Expiration.
1974 Attacks And Victims Begin
SPEAKER_00Expiration.
SPEAKER_01Lindsay, this ain't enough, man.
SPEAKER_00We're not done. Oh and Ted would revisit the now very open crime scene, uh, this one of Georgian, and gathered items like an earring and shoes. Like he was pretty much in the face of the cops. He did not give a fuck.
SPEAKER_01Just walking around there amongst them.
SPEAKER_00Now, in his tapes that I'm listening to, he would say that in the beginning there was remorse and panic and longer cooling off periods. But then it just became like a need.
SPEAKER_01And he's confident.
SPEAKER_00And I mean, and I mean the cops will later literally say, Motherfucker, you're bold. Yeah. As fuck. But he didn't look at it like that. He looked at it as survival, the things that he was doing, like going back and gathering all the things to make sure he didn't get caught. Because he, in the beginning, he would have rather committed suicide than go to prison. But we'll get into that later on. Now, all these disappearances are now in the media, and there are several open investigations. But it's it's complicated because he's traveling, he's going to different universities, he's going to different jurisdictions, and we haven't really talked about it a lot, but I've listened to enough true crime where when they're in different jurisdictions, it's complicated.
SPEAKER_01This one don't talk to that one.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. And we need to stop that right now.
SPEAKER_01It slows it down so my gosh. What was that? The worst boyfriend or whatever we've seen in Miami?
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, the worst extra uh worst ex ever. Yeah. Uh, what's his name? The the Wade Wilson, the Deadpool killer. Yeah. Fuck that guy.
SPEAKER_01That fucker was traveling around, and he was literally across the bridge, different jurisdiction. Like they could throw a rock to the next jurisdiction, but they weren't talking to each other. Yeah, that shit.
SPEAKER_00So there was a description now of Ted and his car. But did that stop Ted? No. Just two days later, after Georgian, he goes to Lake Samamish State Park. And he makes several attempts to adduct more women using a sling and talking in either a British or a Canadian accent. That's what other witnesses will say. And was asking for help unloading his sailboat. Now he was rejected four times before he was unfortunately successful in abducting 23-year-old Janice Ann Ott and 19-year-old Denise Marie Naslant. It said that this state park had about 40 to 50,000 people in attendance that day. As many businesses had like their company picnics. It was one of the nicest days of the year in that area. So witnesses, they had come forward with pretty much all these crimes. And three women from the lake that he had not lured into his car gave a description. It really wasn't a good one. And I will post that in stories on Drink About Something on Instagram. It's kind of horrific description. But he was using his real name. And they would end up being called the TED Murders.
SPEAKER_01Just that bold. I mean, yeah, he's at the Catalina wine mixer and he's just fucking stirring shit up. Nobody even fucking really gave a good description.
SPEAKER_00And you know, from the movie. I I know that the movie is quite accurate. The one that we watched several, several years ago, the one that fucking haunted me for God knows how long. It actually depicts, is that the name? Um, a scene where one of those victims from Lake Samamish woke up to him raping her. Like he had bludgeoned her. And then she starts running from him, and he's she sees other victims that were already dead. Oh, the horror. Propped up. Oh fuck. The corpses. Do you don't remember that? This movie has haunted me for almost 14 years.
SPEAKER_01Fucking hell, Lindsay. I remember she was like running, and every few feet she was more just fucking destroyed because there's corpses scattered throughout of her trying to get away.
SPEAKER_00And it was just so and I don't think that that was accurate because supposedly, like most of his dumping grounds were on Mount Taylor, which was quite a little bit of a journey from Lake Samamish. I haven't Google mapped it, but I'll have that information for next week to see if that part of the movie was accurate. But because they don't really know what was going on. Because Ted later on, even when he talks about this, he's still vague.
SPEAKER_01The drinks aren't fucking strong enough.
SPEAKER_00They're really not.
SPEAKER_01No, I am sober ass mortified right now.
SPEAKER_00So after all of this, a tip line is set up, you know. Now Liz, his girlfriend, she would be one of the many people to call in. And so was Anne Rule, his bestie. Now, okay, so Anne, like I said, she had worked with him at the crisis hotline. She was a volunteer, he was paid, but they had become best friends. They knew everything. Well, she thought she knew everything she could about Ted. Like she even knew that he was dating Liz and Stephanie at the same time for a little bit, you know?
SPEAKER_01What what really hits me really hard is he is defiling these corpses.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_01The necrophilia and coming home to his lady.
SPEAKER_00Lady. Yes. And also in the movie, uh, I don't know if you remember this, but it portrays the fact that. Okay, hold on. Let me say what I'm gonna say about Anne Rule, and then we'll talk about Liz. So Anne later on, she's involved in these cases because she's also a police officer, okay? And she is like, okay, Ted, good looking guy, but she didn't know that he had a vehicle because when she knew him, he didn't have one, okay? She used to give him rides. This was in that was in 71 when they worked at the crisis hotline together. She called up one of her fellow law officers and was like, hey, can you run Ted Bundy? And the guy calls her back and says, Hey, Theodore Robert Bundy has a VW bug registered to his name. Yeah. And she still could not accept it because the Ted that she knew at the crisis hotline would never do something.
SPEAKER_02No, he's too sweet. He's too amazing.
SPEAKER_00He would be like, Lock your doors. But the thing was, Ted would never kill somebody or hurt anybody that he actually knew. It always had to be a stranger.
SPEAKER_01I just have to ask my plant over here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Is Robert doing it? Robert is flourishing, by the way. Yeah, I mean, I've been giving him distilled water and his leaf. Oh, there's one leaf that's kind of we kind of need to fluid.
SPEAKER_01It's been grandchilded.
SPEAKER_00But so this tip line was set up. Liz called, and Rule called, and his psychology professor called in. Now, this was only three out of the 200 tips they were receiving a day. So I mean, Ted's all over traversing across counties, yeah. But the King County had a shit ton of Ted's. So, like, they were still not really closing in on Ted.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but Ted with a VW.
SPEAKER_00Come on. Exactly. But when Ann rule, she was flabbergasted.
Lake Sammamish Tips And Close Calls
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02Oh my God.
SPEAKER_00Now she would call in and be like, hey, it might be Ted Bundy. When she found out that he owned that car, she's like, that's just too much. That's too much of a coincidence. He's good looking. He's got this same type of hair. You know, so she was like, call it in, but don't tie my name to it, just in case. I've got children. She was a single mom with kids. Uh, she was about 15, 20 years older than him at the time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, everybody's frantically got to be trying to find this to stop the trend of people missing and and being slob.
SPEAKER_00Because you can't you don't want to imagine that somebody that you were best friends with, because they were still in touch. Yeah, yeah. Well, you still bust at all that with them.
SPEAKER_01I mean, you you put that into them, and you're like, there's no way I don't I have my full trust into somebody.
SPEAKER_00And Liz, you know, she's been with him for quite some time now, and she had seen some red flags, but they weren't like quite as concerning just yet. But she didn't know that he liked bondage during sex. And in the movie, it portrays him actually making her play dead. You don't you remember that part?
SPEAKER_01Ooh, yeah. The low lighting. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00He made her play dead because she was like, what turned you on?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, lay here and play. Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Like, make her, yeah, make her. Oh, yeah. I know. I'm like, I'm gonna throw up my queso a little bit. Okay. And he would also be out late a lot of nights. So things look like they're closing in on Ted Bundy. Like I said, there was a lot of Ted's in King County, but and there was a lot of VWs. But Ted Bundy himself, he decides to take his second acceptance to University of Utah Law and he moves to Salt Lake City. Now he's still dating Liz, but that's where we're gonna end part one, and we're gonna talk about some more of the journey next week.
unknownShit.
SPEAKER_01I don't want to be I know. I'm sure. Get somebody else. Can you get a pinch hitter over here?
SPEAKER_00Somebody run the bases. I can get something, I can get a fill-in for you if you want to set part two. I mean, three is gonna be the worst.
SPEAKER_01At least a guest on here.
SPEAKER_00Three is gonna be the worst.
SPEAKER_01Somebody I can bounce off with and cry with because you're just like slaughtering, dude.
SPEAKER_00Actually, I don't want to say th part three is gonna be the worst because every single one of these victims, there is no one that was greater than the other. None of these young women deserved anything that happened to them. No, and it's gonna be a lot. And I'm I'm I'm really sorry, but we had to cover it. It's what we do.
SPEAKER_01It is time, I guess. Season three.
SPEAKER_00As soon as we're done with the next three weeks, we ain't gonna talk about this fucker again. We're done forever.
SPEAKER_01So more parts of this to come. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Cleanse our palate, Jesse, with some amazing music. What you got? What you got?
SPEAKER_01Lindsay, this is Voltaire's Ghost, and this song is called Alex Street. So let's rock it out to this thing.
Utah Move Music Feature And Plugs
SPEAKER_03Angel Signor, Lindsay, what is up with that?
SPEAKER_01Dude, that fits so well with this whole era.
SPEAKER_00They were amazing, and I just want to give a little so Jesse didn't know who Voltaire was, and I showed him a picture. So Voltaire was uh a French Enlightenment writer who was known for his wit and criticism of Christianity. Wow. Like he was specifically like against the Catholic Church. Now you can find Voltaire Ghost Band on uh Instagram, and they are from the Rockies. Colorado. That's amazing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and they're fans of us. They like us already.
SPEAKER_00I've seen the Rockies at Colorado. We were exchanging complains one time, and it literally looked like the postcards that you see. Like there was a big window at the airport, and I was just like, is that real?
SPEAKER_01Beautiful on one side and planes on the other. It's very strange.
SPEAKER_00I mean, it was really cool, like.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_01But Lindsay.
unknownI know.
SPEAKER_01We just did part one. Oh, we got two more to go. Whoa. I want to keep it short and sweet because I want to get the hell out of here. So check us out on drinkaboutsomething.site. And you can follow all of our previous 99 episodes. Yeah. And you go to YouTube, you can type in Gen Z, J-E-N-D-S-E-Y. And on Instagram is drinkabout something. And then uh Lindsay has a TikTok that we're going to be live on, a whole bunch, so you can follow that, right? Where's that at?
SPEAKER_00Drink About Something Pod underscore Lindsay.
SPEAKER_01Shit's sake. So we're going to have to have a drinking pause in the middle of next one because I needed a break. I know.
SPEAKER_00We actually we took a couple of breaks, but you know, you'll never know.
SPEAKER_01Well, we're going to do it live. That way you can hear it and take a partake of shoddy boost shoddies next time for the shot. The shots are on me.
SPEAKER_00Out of our out of our Ted out of our Ted glass.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So we got a bunch more to come, man. Season three. We're kicking it off. So we're going to keep it.
SPEAKER_00Season three is going to be rough, you guys. I've got some shit lined up that's going to blow your fucking mind.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I got some cool bands coming too. So if you like the music at the end, stay tuned.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01So we're going to get off here though. We got so much to do. Lindsay's birthday weekend. Yeah. We're going to have a whole back porch hoot of maroo. You can check all that stuff out too. And check out the 50 bands that we played in season two. And uh other than that, Lindsay, I'm not ready for next week, but I'm going here for it, I guess.
SPEAKER_00But if you want us to, if you if there's a story that you want us to cover, send us an email at drinkaboutsomethingpod at gmail.com. And I think that's all of our plugs. Yeah, yeah. Do the thing. Like, comment, subscribe, get uh rate us. That helps us get into the algorithms. Yeah, we're gonna share.
SPEAKER_01We're gonna blow up big this year.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Manifesting that shit right now.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Let's do this stuff. We're gonna get off here though. We love you so much.
SPEAKER_00Bye.
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