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EPISODE 103: Ellen Greenberg couldn't have done it!
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Twenty stab wounds is not a detail you can shrug off, especially when ten are to the back of the head and neck. We unpack the death of Ellen Greenberg, a Philadelphia first grade teacher whose story became known as “Death in Apartment 603,” and we lay out why so many people hear the facts and immediately think: this cannot be suicide.
We follow Ellen’s life leading up to January 2011, including her engagement to Sam Goldberg, the anxiety and codependency friends noticed afterward, and the mental health treatment that later gets used as a catch-all explanation. Then we walk through the blizzard-day timeline: Ellen at home doing normal things, Sam’s quick trip to the on-site gym, the latched door, the escalating texts, and the 911 call that still raises eyebrows once you know what happened before and after it.
From there, we get into the evidence that keeps this case in the true crime spotlight: the autopsy findings, the bruising, the contradictions, and the devastating impact of a crime scene that gets cleaned before investigators treat it like it matters. We also talk about what accountability looks like when a system pushes for closure, and why Ellen’s family continues fighting for an honest ruling.
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Cold Open True Crime Headlines
SPEAKER_05Hey Jesse. Hey, Lindsay. Do you think a carried out death sentence should actually warrant them to never have to carry out another death sentence attempt if it wasn't successful?
SPEAKER_00I don't know, but do you know the backstory behind that?
SPEAKER_05I heard some things.
SPEAKER_00So Krista Pike in 1995 with a couple accomplices, they murdered Colleen Samel and like carved a pentagram into her children. And she has been on death row for 30 years. They did a stay, which means that it just postpones it, to review her background again. Y'all ain't had long enough. And then it was a failed lethal injection. Isn't that wild?
SPEAKER_05Fucking insane. Maybe she might have some witch kind of shit going on there.
SPEAKER_00You never know.
SPEAKER_05Let's get crafted over here. Happy Friday, everybody.
SPEAKER_00Happy Friday.
SPEAKER_05Like after that. Like, I feel like that.
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, this is like your death by lethal injection. Well, she got it twice.
SPEAKER_00Well, Krista Pike was on my list, so we will do a full rundown on her later on in that this whole thing.
SPEAKER_05I'm staying out of the waters. I'm not swimming on this one.
SPEAKER_00And then breaking news, Gypsy Rose's fiance was found deceased. Really? Ex-communicato? Yeah. What the fuck? So she's about to be dragged under like 17,000 buses. And we'll see uh we'll come back to the developing story on that. Now, this will be a week later when you guys hear this, but the day that we're recording, that just happened yesterday. And it was on his birthday, October 1st.
SPEAKER_05So we're playing like true crime pinball right now. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, me and a couple of girls, we've been sharing very, very small information that we've gotten so far. But that's wild.
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SPEAKER_00Gypsy, you better not let me down, girl. You better not let me down. But, anyways. Let me down.
Show Setup Drinks And House Rules
SPEAKER_00If you are new here, uh, we are Jesse and Lindsay from the Drink About Something podcast. And what we do mean is uh I tell Jesse a true crime story. We have a couple of drinks, and then at the end of the episode, Jesse plugs an amazing band that we have gotten permission to play. And speaking of drinking about something, uh, what's in your cup?
SPEAKER_05I got a little Jim Jones with some energy drink going on over there with some loose sour. It's really good.
SPEAKER_00And what's the Jim Jones? Which flavor do you have of the flavor aid?
SPEAKER_05The number one best one, because it's fucking blood red Jamaica always. Flavor aid. It is really good. Yeah. Don't be don't be sleeping on it, dude. I'm telling you, it's that good.
SPEAKER_00So a Jim Jones is uh flavor aid and vodka with some water, of course. We should get you some soda water. That way you can make it like a bubbly make it more festive.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Make it more festive. So that's what you got in your cup. And in my cup, I've got pineapple Celsius, and that's it. I don't have a little combination today.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah. Just kind of plain Jane, ready to go. We gotta do it.
SPEAKER_00Well, I do I am sipping, I am sipping on a grape rush uh Celsius in the fridge. But I didn't want to mix it with the pineapple because I had grape ones earlier, but then I ran out, and now I'm on the pineapple.
SPEAKER_05Maybe that's why you're so wild-eyed and bushy-tailed over here, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it could be.
SPEAKER_05You're on gear six right now, dude. Like you are geeking and I love it. I'm ready.
SPEAKER_00Do you have an energy drink?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I'm I'm kind of getting with you there. Yeah. Kind of over here, uh, yeah, doing the things, and uh, we're all gonna do the things, right?
Feeling Classic Jeans And Comfort
SPEAKER_05Well, what made you feel old this week? Me, myself, and I? Yeah. I'm you know, I just keep on thinking about classic things. Everything that we had when we were in high school is now considered classic. Our cars, our music, everything is classic. We're classic. So I don't feel old this week, Lindsay. I feel classic.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Yeah. I mean, we are classic. Yeah, we're definitely classic. All of our music is on classic rock stations now. Yeah, our clothes are classic. Vintage. Vintage.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, the movies are classics. Yeah. It's what we're watching now. We kind of got a little craft going on.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we're in the middle of the, we're almost at the end of the craft.
SPEAKER_05It's a cult classic.
SPEAKER_00It is.
SPEAKER_05It is. So uh, what made you feel old, though? You can't get away from it.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I'm not. So um, I ordered some new jeans this week from the same company. One, I mean, they're both in the same size that I've worn for the last like four years now. Both from the same company, and one was amazing fit, soft and comfortable, and then the other one felt like absolute 90s jeans that felt like cardboard.
SPEAKER_05The Ginko style.
SPEAKER_00I wanted to burn them and off my skin. I can't handle that shit no more. I I want comfort and softness. I can't handle that cardboard feeling of the jean. Like it made me angry.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. We're in stretchy pants soft mode. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. I don't want to be uncomfortable in my jeans. But I kind of want to walk down the runway doing the crazy, uncomfortable things.
SPEAKER_05Like wearing like all the crazy weird hula hoops and the upside down hourglass that looks like a martini. I kind of want to dress like that myself.
SPEAKER_00As long as it's partially comfortable. But jeans that feel like cardboard, I just could not. I'm like, no, these are going back.
SPEAKER_05No, I want to do like the full like awkward shoes, like you can barely move your legs while you're walking down the you know, when you got that weird funk way of like jeans I ordered for work. I don't want to say what I want to do.
SPEAKER_00That's what I want to do. Well, let's get you some some pieces.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, yeah. We're gonna have a runway show for for me.
SPEAKER_00For me, just for you. Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_05You got stories though, Lindsay. Holy shit.
SPEAKER_00I did a new one. A new one.
Who Was Ellen Greenberg
SPEAKER_00A new one. So today we're gonna talk about Ellen Ray Greenberg, or we're gonna drink about this situation. Okay.
SPEAKER_05So this is a toasty toasty. Cheers. Bouchotti.
SPEAKER_00So Ellen was born in New York City on June 23rd, 1983, and she was the only child to Josh and Sandy Greenberg. And Sandy spells her name with a D-E-E.
SPEAKER_05That is so runway. She's allowed on the runway.
SPEAKER_00She's Sandra D. Sandra D.
SPEAKER_05Oh, let's. Can we? No, can we? I just take five minutes and talk about it.
SPEAKER_00Look at me.
SPEAKER_05There we go. All right, you're you can go now. It's okay.
SPEAKER_00I'm Sandra D.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, do your thing.
SPEAKER_00And that's it. No. That's all we can do.
SPEAKER_05Oh.
SPEAKER_00I'm sure that's copyrighted heavily.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah. We done fuck with everybody. We're poking them. We're poking them with a stick.
SPEAKER_00Well, when Ellen was 11, the family moved to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, which is about two hours from Philadelphia, which we'll get to here in a minute. Beautiful country. We went through Harrisburg. Yeah. Did we drive through there? I think so. For fuck's sake, yeah. Ellen graduated from Susquehanna Township High School in 2001. So she was in my graduating class and then went to go on to Penn State. She earned a bachelor's degree in communications from there in 2005. And then she got her master's from Chestnut Hill College and Temple University. Damn. So she and she was gonna go on to teach. Now after college, she became a first grade teacher at Juanita Park Academy in Philadelphia. And this is an inner city school that has about 30 to 40 kids per class. It came to be that everyone around Ellen, all of her friends, they were either getting married or they were in a committed relationship, like on their way to marriage. And Ellen, of course, she wanted that for herself as well. Sometime in 2007, Ellen gets set up on a blind date with one of their mutual friends with a man named Sam Goldberg. Sam worked for the NBC Sports Golf Channel and he traveled a lot. So after meeting, they FaceTime for a while. And after about a month, Sam, he's down in South Carolina, and he says that he'll fly her down for a date. It went extremely well. And Ellen, when Ellen returned, she was so in love. And Sam was in love with her too. I'm so addicted to all the things you do when you fly them down for me. And we're between the All right then. I mean, you did have permission to play Scotty, so I mean he was kind of a singer for that band for a while. He was.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_00So shout out, shout out. Text message exchanges prove that they were just head over heels for each other. And they really hated being away from each other. And Sam was traveling all the time, okay? So everything seemed amazing. Ellen was of the Jewish fate, and so was Sam. So that's perfect. And they move in together at the luxury apartment complex uh called Venice Lofts at 4601 Flat Rock Road.
SPEAKER_05Fuck you, and your addresses, Lindsay. You're in the first place.
SPEAKER_00Oh, god damn it. And this was in the Maniock area of Philadelphia. After three years, Sam he proposes. And this was in June of 2010, and they set their wedding date for August 13th, 2011.
SPEAKER_05By the way, if you're if you're new here, when Lindsay says addresses, they're so fucking relevant and dates. Dates and addresses. Because I know nothing about these stories, by the way. I don't know nothing. About 99% of it. And as soon as she drops those, like I'm on pins and fucking needles, bro. And she dropped it. So I like some relevancy is like at 10 right now. I'm like kind of nervous. I'm kind of okay, but okay, go ahead, Lindsay. I'm done now.
SPEAKER_00Well, after their engagement, Ellen she seems to become a little different. She had always been such a confident and independent spirit, and she was now starting to experience some extreme anxiety and codependency. Like anytime she was asked if she wanted to go do something with friends or family, she would start to say, Well, let me check with Sam first. But Sam was out of town a lot, and people close to her just thought that it was odd because she had never done that before. Like, you know, I know there's a certain line of respect just saying, Hey, let me check with blah, blah, blah, so far. But he's out of town and his friends and family. It's not like she's going out to do anything shady. And she just then, right after the engagement, started being like, let me check with Sam first.
SPEAKER_05Like so there was a weird conversation or something that's shady setting this off. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Then she starts to get completely overwhelmed at her job to the point where she wants to quit in the middle of the school year and actually move back home with her mom and dad.
SPEAKER_05Oh.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Something doesn't seem right in barrel of the colour.
SPEAKER_00Like, yes, Sam is out of okay, so I can understand. She's she's overwhelmed with her job. Sam is out of town a lot. So if she moves back to her hometown, maybe she can get something temporary until her and Sam get married.
SPEAKER_05What the fuck are you doing, Sam?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I'm glad that you're feeling that early on. Okay. Yes, I definitely am. Okay, so her dad's like, hey, we love you, we support you. You can absolutely come back home, but why don't you talk to you know a therapist or a psychiatrist prior to all that to maybe help you with some of through some of this anxiety? So, like I said, they were more than happy to help her, but they were trying to find another solution, possibly, you know?
SPEAKER_04Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00They also kind of thought that it would be irresponsible to quit in the middle of the school year. But she, I cannot stress this enough. She was stressing to Sam and her parents, I hate this job.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but there's a lot writing all tied into everything that she's dove off into, and they're not getting the full outside perspective.
SPEAKER_00Right.
Anxiety After Engagement And Medication
SPEAKER_00So she starts seeing a psychiatrist and a therapist. And I just learned actually recently that you need a therapist for the talking and a psychiatrist for the medicine. Did not know this. Did I like I said, I'm not quite today years old, but it's still been recent that I've learned the difference and why you kind of need both.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because a therapist, I don't think, can prescribe you medicine if you need it. So a psychiatrist will. And the therapist, you want to go in more depth. Personal, personal, all the way down to the nitty-gritty. And that made a big difference in how I look at it a lot of different things that I'm researching. Because some will just say a therapist and some will say a psychiatrist. So yeah.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah. I did not know. There was like I didn't know that was yeah, but that makes sense because you have to have the professionals somebody that connects to you.
SPEAKER_00It seems like kind of dub, but at the same time, no, because we've I think we've all kind of classified them both in the same that's where I was at.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_00In the same little basket. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Did not know. So I just seem like it seems like old Sam Wise Gamchi over here has a lot of fucking skeletons or something that he's dumping on her. And she's just happened out of nowhere.
SPEAKER_00Out of nowhere. And she was nowhere near like perimenopausal age, which that would seem a little bit more normal, but she was still in her 20s. Right. She was like 27.
SPEAKER_05So salad-wise, like she just showed up and then it just all got dumped in, and she's like, the flavor of this fucking salad is just not that great to me.
SPEAKER_00Right. So she the the psychiatrist uh prescribes her Zoloft and Xanex, and that really wasn't helping with her symptoms that she was concerned about. So they switched it up to uh colanopin and ambient.
SPEAKER_05And this is pretty tough. Like she is really trying to combat all of this anxiety and things.
SPEAKER_00She's on top of it, and she starts keeping a diary of how these medications are making her feel. She's thorough in this journey to try and to figure out what's going on with her.
SPEAKER_05And in this diary, ladies and gentlemen, you have to put all the tumultuous, tumultuous, tumult how do you tumultri things. Tumultuous. Yeah, those things. In that, that is the root. I think there's we're I'm just thinking. I'm speculating because I'm outside here. I don't want to.
SPEAKER_00Well, what I'm saying is this diary is not going to show that she was having a hard time. She was adjusting well to the collodapen and the ambient. So she continues to take that.
SPEAKER_05Okay, positive notes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right. She now she'll only see the psychiatrist and the therapist a total of three times. Okay. So this all kind of happens really fast. Now, these medications, they do have side effects, and one of them is suicidal thoughts, but she was not experiencing any of these side effects. So remember that. And her doctors both made notes that she was not suicidal. And from what they could tell, there was no signs of abuse. And when she talked about Sam, she would smile. Like everything was on the up and up. Okay.
SPEAKER_05And this is still pretty to the new, right?
SPEAKER_00Well, they're three and a half years in, but the engagement is new.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like that part has been.
SPEAKER_00But that's what I'm saying. It's friends and family are saying after the engagement, that's when things started to shift with her. And engagement is a lot more weight on just being boyfriend, girlfriend.
SPEAKER_05Right. The locked-in commitment, the pressure of all that to begin with. And you're like really not sure. There's so many different cold feet that you can get. You'd be like growing extra toes and shit. You know, this foot coming out your kneecap.
SPEAKER_00Well, the wedding was the wedding plan was going good. Um, and in January of 2011, she mailed out the save the date cards. You know, the little things were like, hey, don't forget this date. This is that's the thing you send out before the invit the actual invitation. But I have to put in here, in this in this little spot right here, her co-worker started noticing that she wasn't wearing her engagement ring all the time. Now she would say that it was a little loose on her finger, but that's an easy fix that she wasn't getting fixed. You know what I mean? She didn't go get it size, she just said, it's a little loose, I don't want to wear it. I don't know. Some may be looking too far into that, but that is just one thing that her co-workers noticed.
Blizzard Day Timeline Before The Call
SPEAKER_00On January 26th, Ellen went to work as usual, but there was a blizzard or a noista. Noista. Noista.
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SPEAKER_05You had to go to the fucking full bar when there's a noista.
SPEAKER_00And school was let out early so everyone could, you know, hunker down, get their things, get their shit in order. So Ellen gets home around 1:30 p.m. And on the way, she filled up her gas tank like we all do down here for a hurricane or tropical storm or even a hard freeze. We're gonna fill up our shit. We're gonna get us some snacks.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, because you don't know. It's it's so it's like the same version of, you know, but it's just fucking cold freezing. Like you can watch a power line grow from like the power line size to like eight inches, and tree limbs are just fucking breaking and falling, and the whole roads are shut down, the power's off for two weeks, type thing. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you want to get ready.
SPEAKER_05That thing.
SPEAKER_00So she goes home, she texts some friends, she texts her mom, she's doing a little more wedding planning, and then she starts to make a fruit salad. Now, Sam gets home early as well, and he decides that he wants to go for a workout in the middle of a blizzard. In the Nor'easter. But to be fair, the gym was in the complex. Like it was on the property. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05On location gym. Okay.
SPEAKER_00So Sam goes to the gym for a whopping 38 minutes. I don't even know. I work out in my house, and a 30-minute workout turns into 45. Because with the warm-up, the cool down. But even like I might pause, have to pause to go to the restroom. You know what I'm saying? A simple 30-minute workout, like it planned in your head, turns into 45 minutes. So that's just how it is every day from someone who works out every day. So I know that if he had put in an actual workout, it would have at least been 45. 38 seems a little, a little short to me for being able to work out right on your premises.
SPEAKER_05You know what I mean? I don't know. I mean, I have gone to the gym and just.
SPEAKER_00Jesse, that's walk down time and walk back time.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I blowed out like 20 minutes and effed off. I swear to God. I myself, I swear to God. I mean, yeah, okay. If it if it seems like somebody that acts is actually athletic or that exercises. Okay, so that's me. It's like I'm gonna go blow out 15 minutes and I'm fucking off. I might, I might tan in between that, you know, in the middle of the nor'easter.
SPEAKER_00That don't look like I find that part really odd, okay?
Door Latch Texts And Rising Anger
SPEAKER_00So can't Sam, he comes back from the workout and he can't get in the apartment because the top latch is closed. And that this top latch is like when we go to hotel rooms, that little arm with the ball thing. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So he can't get in the door, even though he's got the key. He's unlocked that part, but he can't get that latch undone. So he starts to call Ellen, and I think it was like 11 or 13 miss calls. There's no answer. So then he starts yelling into the partially open door. Now a neighbor hears all this going on, and they're kind of like, you know, they're peeping. What's what's happening? What's the tribe? He goes down the hallway.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then he starts to text her. And his text will start at 5 32 p.m. And he says, Hello, open the door. What are you doing? I'm getting pissed. Hello? You better have an excuse. What the fuck? Ah. And you have no idea. So that's the texts that are sent to Ellen's phone. Okay. And these are an all cats. He's fucking pissed.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So Sam goes down to Phil, who's at the front desk. He's the concierge concierge of the building. Phil will say that Sam seemed really pissed. And he asks Phil if he can come, you know, help him get in the door. And Phil tells Sam, uh, I can't leave my post. And Sam's like, I need to get into the fucking unit. That's direct quote. Per Phil. Now, Phil, like I said, he can't leave his post. And he was like, Is everything okay? Is Ellen okay? And Sam's like, I'm just gonna go break in. And Phil is like, okay, but I have to let you know if you do that, you're you're gonna have to pay for the damage.
SPEAKER_05Go after deposit thing. Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know.
SPEAKER_05So I mean, my outside perspective right now is still that this is like he has showed all the signs of being concerned. He stepped away and he can't fucking get back in. Now he's frustrated, frantic. Maybe there were some some undertone stuff that we don't know about, right? There's a I mean a lot. I mean, I'm fucking for sure. Well, let's there's a lot. Let's let's and Lindsay knows more. That's why she's like, Why about this fucking workout thing was weird because I'm like, well, I'm just saying, from here, from here, from over here on this side of the spectrum.
SPEAKER_00Well, Sam, he goes back up to apartment 603.
Break In Discovery And 911 Call
SPEAKER_00And when he breaks the door down, he finds Ellen slumped over by the kitchen cabinets, and she's covered in blood.
SPEAKER_05Shit, I knew it was coming, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00Fuck.
SPEAKER_05I just fucking knew it. I knew it.
SPEAKER_00We're gonna play the 911 call. It is a little bit over four minutes, but this 911 call is very important to listen to. It is a very important part of this story.
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SPEAKER_03I just I just walked to my apartment like fiance on the floor with blood everywhere.
SPEAKER_02What is this rock? 4601 flat rock roads. Please come. Flat rock roads. Okay, hold on for the rest of the first pay on the phone.
SPEAKER_014601 flat rock.
SPEAKER_03Yes, my I went downstairs for working. I came back up the door and left. My children decide it wasn't answering, so after a half hour, I decided to break it down. I think it's on the floor.
SPEAKER_01Okay, read it. Look at the chest, I need to calm down, I need to look at the chest, it's not a little bit. Okay, so they can do it. Okay, so you'll find where we can represent.
SPEAKER_03I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Okay, don't touch it.
SPEAKER_03Okay, what do I do?
SPEAKER_01I mean, you can't do the knife that ever said it's gonna become hard to see CPR this time.
SPEAKER_03Oh no. Oh my goodness. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Okay, some of them away. The night is so fast. Okay, following the way.
SPEAKER_03She's not she's not her arm, her hands are still warm. I don't know if that means, but it's blood every I mean.
SPEAKER_01I know, but you can't, and the knife is still inside of her. How far? Can you see how far it went in?
SPEAKER_03It looks pretty deep.
SPEAKER_00What the fuck? Oh, by the way. Oh, by the way, listen. Right. That's why I said that this uh this 911 call was very important to listen to for the rest of the story. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Fuck, dude. It was like chaotic legs. The first one sounding kind of okay, genuine, like the holy fuck, he just showed up in this crazy in Oh, by the way. Yeah.
Lawyer Calls And Fast Assumptions
SPEAKER_00Well, now after after the 911 call, after all this, we find out later that Sam has called his cous his cousin, I want to say Cameron, and his uncle James Schwartzman, who is an attorney, well connected to the judicial system before the before he called 911.
SPEAKER_05The fuck, Lindsay? Yeah. What the fuck?
SPEAKER_00Now, when emergency services arrive, there since there wasn't any sign of force entry, Ellen's death is treated as a suicide.
SPEAKER_05Are you kidding me right now?
SPEAKER_00But he called all the people to line the shit up first. We haven't even gotten to the crazy, crazy. You're done first. Hold on. What? She was pronounced dead at 6 40 p.m.
Autopsy Details That Do Not Fit
SPEAKER_00Now, after her body was examined by the medical examiner, Ellen had 20 stab wounds.
SPEAKER_05Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00And ten of them were in the back of her head and neck.
SPEAKER_05Lindsay Michelle.
SPEAKER_00Ten of them.
SPEAKER_05Lindsay. Fucking Michelle over here. You're trying to sell us down this fucking road right here.
SPEAKER_00If you're new here, when he calls me Lindsay Michelle, that's not my real name. That's not my name. That's his um angry fucked up. Oh in the fucking. And that's not a suicide, right?
SPEAKER_05Self-inflicted. I I stabbed myself in the back of the head before I, you know. Ten times. And then I put one in my heart. Then just then. Just just then. It's okay.
SPEAKER_00So she also had 11 bruises in different stages of healing. One was on her upper right arm, three were on her right forearm, one is on her abdomen, three over her right knee, and three on her right thigh. And some of those had been going in different stages in different times, different.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So all of that is the dump of shit salad that she's been dealing with. Yeah. And then here it comes. Here it came.
SPEAKER_00Well, Ellen's parents, they had to find out through Sam's dad that their only child had quote unquote, you know, off herself. And they were two hours away in Harrisburg and were snowed in. Like they can just jump in the car and go. Fuck you, Sam Dick Dicky. And they think, like I said, they think their only baby girl has committed suicide while being snowed in. While you can't get in the car, can't go. You're two hours away.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, of course he's gonna keep selling this shit.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_05Fucking turn down the river. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Being of the Jewish faith, they do have the funeral like two days later. They do everything very quickly, right? And Josh, Ellen's dad, he's given the eulogy, right? And he finds out right in the middle of this eulogy that the suicide has now been changed to homicide.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Now this was this was by Dr. Marlon Osbourne, okay? Well, here's the big problem with that.
Cleanup Crew And Lost Crime Scene
SPEAKER_00The day after Ellen's death, which was the day before the funeral, Sam and his uncle, they call the manager of the apartment complex and asked to come receive or retrieve some of Ellen's things for the funeral. And the manager, she's like, Okay, well, let me get the okay from the police department. So the manager of the complex, she calls it the police department, and they're like, Yeah, it's fine. And she was like, Well, is it okay for them to see this crime scene? And they're like, Yeah, it's not, it's not a crime scene. We're still leaning towards suicide. So you can go ahead and have a cleanup crew with that many fucking backgrounds. You can go ahead and have a cleanup crew come clean up this place. And she literally calls crime scene cleanup LLC. And the entire apartment complex is scrubbed top to bottom.
SPEAKER_05Oh, now I'm fighting, Lindsay. You got me over here fighting. This is fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_00So Uncle James and an unnamed man, they show up to the apartment, and they don't really get any sentimental items for her funeral. They get the laptops, the cell phones, and a few other minor, minute belongings, you know, for of Sam and Ellen's. Probably about some of the things.
SPEAKER_05Let's delete all that.
SPEAKER_00Well, now, the next day, the 28th, a search warrant was made for those items, and they were retrieved from James and Sam, but that was plenty of time. Yeah, that's clean.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. We didn't put some comment on that.
SPEAKER_00Now, I do I do want to say, I want to put this in here really quick. Suicide by stabbing is not unheard of, but it is extremely rare, especially in women. Our gender usually does not choose a violent way. Yeah, they want to take some pills and go to bed. It's usually a poison, carbon monoxide, yeah, something nonviolent.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Usually. Or if it becomes that, it's like, you know, I'm gonna cut myself and then sit in a bathtub type thing. Right. Yeah. Nonviolence. I'm gonna stab myself in the back of the fucking head ten times first.
SPEAKER_00And then go towards the abdomen. Right.
SPEAKER_05Completely coherent. Oh, by the way, I've been beating my ass for a week, too.
SPEAKER_00And set I have a severed spine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And then I'm gonna go and just uh, now I think I'm ready and insert done.
SPEAKER_00And also, most suicide by stabbings, the extremely rare ones, the person usually lifts their shirt or whatever article of clothing they want to stab through, but Ellen's clothes were all still on. And she had 10 wounds to the back of her head. Like that's just to me, that's the main piece of evidence here.
SPEAKER_05Right. When you're on that ledge and you're fixing to plunge something into yourself, I think, yeah, you would probably go very much.
SPEAKER_00And she was in the middle of making a fruit salad. So you're gonna tell me that her medication has fucked with her so hard that she flipped in the middle of making a fruit salad.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, with all the nice.
SPEAKER_00The 10 stab wound started violently stabbing herself. Get the fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_05No, that's you've fucking done, dude. This is the most But we digress. You should have fucking done it right then. You should have been like, hold the fucking phone, dude. Somebody needs incuffs right fucking now.
SPEAKER_00Well, the crazy thing is the partners and husbands and spouses and roommates and everybody that lives with a person that passes away is supposed to be looked at first. Exactly. Yeah, same season. But Sam tells them, well, she's got a history of mental illness. No, she really didn't. No, the fuck didn't recent and it was being handled and thoroughly documented, by the way.
SPEAKER_05By the way, take my word for it.
SPEAKER_00Very recent. Exactly. I was down there on the elliptical. I was down on the elliptical. I do.
SPEAKER_05While she was stabbing herself in the back of the head ten times, I was down there fucking working out my calories.
SPEAKER_00Well, upon finding out that her death had been changed to homicide, that actually will start to put Sam in the spotlight because he was the last to see her. And there really wasn't anyone else that could do it. They had a tiny balcony, but it was on the sixth floor. I don't really see anybody stalking her that hard to scale up to the sixth floor. Fuck no. And wait for her to fiance. No Sam to go work out for 22 seconds. Well, minutes. You know what I'm saying? This is given warm-up time, pee pee time, bro chat time. Elevator time. You know?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, he's talking down there. Elevator stairs to the guy at the counter. Hey, bro, how's it going?
SPEAKER_00Well, and also, oh, oh, and also I forgot to say this. Phil said that he wasn't even in jump clothes. He was in snow clothes. So he was not ready for that. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_05Now I understand, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00But the police, like I said, they're still leaning, even though it's been deemed a homicide, they're still saying, they're still wanting to really say really, really, really bad that it is a suicide.
SPEAKER_05Can we just give it all the fucking eye rolls, right?
SPEAKER_00Even after the autopsy says otherwise. Like I said, and then the crime scene is now clean, so there was nothing they could investigate. There was barely any pictures documented. Like it was. Oh, she's crazy. Okay, bye.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but what about the fucking earlier bruises? It's like you got three months later. What about all the other shit, y'all?
SPEAKER_00Three months later, it gets changed to suicide once again.
Homicide Reversed And Family Pushback
SPEAKER_05Dun dun dun dun, you sons of bitches.
SPEAKER_00By the same doctor, Dr. Osborne, and this is after a second autopsy and a meeting with the Philadelphia Police Department.
SPEAKER_05How the fuck are you a doctor, Mr. Osborne, when you can't fucking hold up your own fucking head and stab it 10 times and get away with it, Doctor?
SPEAKER_00Well, Ellen's family, they're like, nah.
SPEAKER_05Fuck sake.
SPEAKER_00So Ellen's family's like, we don't believe this. And they hired a private attorney and a private detective to do some more digging and investigating. As would I. I mean, like, 110% now, okay?
SPEAKER_05It would take five minutes of detecting to fucking undetect what the fuck needed to be detected, because this is no fucking way too. I'm glad that you felt that way early on. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Okay. Because we're on this, because I've listened to I don't know how many.
SPEAKER_05Oh, is there a controversy on this one? Is there people like that? No, no, no.
SPEAKER_00I've just listened to some of the ones that I respect since 2019 when this first when this case was first really like brought back to light, because that was when some re-investigating and re- Okay, so it's gonna happen for years, okay? But I've listened to so much coverage on this, and there's not one piece of evidence yet that has made me think, oh, maybe it was her. Maybe she did do that to herself. Not not one, not one person that has talked about this and the documentaries and the court reports, the autopsy photos.
SPEAKER_05Okay, I think here's a realization right now. Lindsay and I do need to go because we are we this is our third season, right? And we need to go to some really big trials here and go witness all this shit spilled out as me.
SPEAKER_00Trials bore the fucking snot out of me, though, Justin.
SPEAKER_05Ah, but how am I gonna spend a fucking day at least? One day fucking on some fucking big one.
SPEAKER_00ADHD ADHDs are completely different.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but you and I will be both like, we're next to each other, and we're gonna be like, we're gonna try to be professional. You know what?
SPEAKER_00Being in the same room could be completely different than watching it on screen because watching it on screen is the worst.
SPEAKER_05Well, you know me, I'm gonna build it up way more dramatic than it is. This this person's life's on the line. No, I want to go to one of those. Have you ever been? I've never been. No, I've never, but I want that evidence. But I've been in like small courts upon me. I think every podcaster should do this that is in the true crime world, right? I think everyone, I think we should do this. Is this healthy building right now? My perspective right now, from everything that you've told me, because I know fucking nothing, there's no fucking not a shred of evidence that would not show foul play. Like there's nothing that you could self, there's no self-evident evidence, you know.
SPEAKER_00The
Staging Theories And Latch Explained
SPEAKER_00Greenbergs, they also get a pathologist named Dr. Cyril Wecht. And he was pretty sure that this was a homicide. Now I don't know shit about fuck. Yeah, for sure. But I am this man has done a lot of famous cases in the past, and I'm with you, Doc. Okay. Like this investigation goes on for years and years and years. And some of the initial reports were quote unquote unable to be found. If you spent more than 30 minutes on this, how does a document about a this was this was big in the media? Okay, this is big. How does that just go missing? Additional reports. How did that just how do you lose it?
SPEAKER_05So now I'm wanting to know like how big are the stab wounds in the back of this woman's head before they can fucking realize.
SPEAKER_00I will show you an autopsy report.
SPEAKER_05Okay. I mean, is it this big? You're looking at me wide-eyed over here.
SPEAKER_00So mostly they were trying to determine if Ellen, you know, if she could actually have been able to do this to herself by examining and re-examining her wounds and crime scene photos because that's all they got. They didn't have a crime scene. So they just had a few photos and her body. Her body was the only thing else that could tell the story. I got the bruises. Now listen.
SPEAKER_05I didn't have a broken fucking spine. I stabbed myself ten times from behind, but I did it to myself. Fuck no.
SPEAKER_00One investigator, she felt, or they felt like that Ellen was attacked from the back, like a blitz attack. And that would explain her not having any defensive wounds. And she also had scratch marks on her neck suggesting that she had been strangled and that the crime scene was staged. Because remember how in the 911 call, two different weird kinds of weird.
SPEAKER_05Well, he said one-on-one.
SPEAKER_00He said she was laying on her back and she was not, she was slumped upright against the cabinet.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, we had to slump first, too.
SPEAKER_00So that's why this next invest this investigator felt like it was staged. And it either some of the blood actually suggested that she had been dragged a little bit. So she gets attacked from the back first. If all those 10 wounds from the back were first, she would not be able to defend herself. She would be out. The spinal cord would have been just made her numb for the rest of her body.
SPEAKER_05People are not designed this way. No, not gonna work.
SPEAKER_00Now that scenario makes the most sense to me. And that latch that Sam said that he had to break down, that can actually be locked from the outside. And you can watch YouTube tutorials about that.
SPEAKER_05Like unlocked from the outside?
SPEAKER_00You can so okay, so you know how those latches latches can only be locked what we think from the inside, like somebody from the inside of the room, you can actually shut it while you're on the outside.
SPEAKER_05But we're not, I mean, the the latch thing doesn't fucking matter at this point.
SPEAKER_00No, because I believe that that was all just a build up to.
SPEAKER_05Oh, I guarantee it.
SPEAKER_00But that's that's what the police were looking at as evidence that there was no forced entry, Jesse. It is a big deal. Yeah, it is a big deal.
SPEAKER_05I'm just saying, like, but as far as like your evidence in the human that's that's laying there that's passed away from obviously murder. Right. There's no other fucking conversation here. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is not even worth talking about.
SPEAKER_00But what I'm saying is that was the initial drama part of this story. For sure. He was hanging on to that. He couldn't get in. He wasn't able to get in. He's definitely not in the house. And that's when he showed his true colors in those shitty, aggravated text messages. So, okay, you get home from work and you can't get in the house. You're gonna just assume that I'm in the shower, right? And you can't get a hold of me. Right? Yeah, but I'm in my house. I mean, I'm gonna go to the house. But I'm just saying, you're gonna assume that I'm in the shower and you're not gonna send me a thread of aggressive texts. Because you know that if I can't hear you trying to get in, I'm probably in the shower.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, there's a lot of weird timelines there that all staple, just like the phone calls beforehand. You know, there's so many different things. Yeah, no, I mean, me, no. I am not gonna trip the fuck out and try to. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You're in a complex. It's somebody's gonna be able to help you, even if you have to call the fire department. Hey, can you help me get in? I can't get in. You're not gonna send your partner a bunch of threatening, aggressive texts.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and there's not a weird situation where you actually say, Hey, I'll be back in in a few minutes, I'm gonna go work out of the gym. You're not gonna be like alert enough to be ready to do this, and then but you've done I'm just trying to put all I'm how do you figure out all these she's trying to make a fucking salad, Lindsay. But what I'm trying to drive home, you know, I'm what I'm trying to drive home.
SPEAKER_00Can you focus on me for a minute?
SPEAKER_05I'm trying, I'm I'm alone.
SPEAKER_00You would not send aggressive, threatening texts if you couldn't get in our house. You would either assume that I was in the shower and maybe go back downstairs, find a cup of coffee, wait a little while. You wouldn't just immediately start texting aggressive texts, which to me feels like he's already got anger issues now and he's trying to establish an alibi.
SPEAKER_05Right, right, right. Yeah, trying to assert that like concern, but with aggressive text. Yeah. So I'm trying to now, now you now I I fully get it, like Jesse Lindsay apartment scenario.
SPEAKER_00Right, right, right. That you can't get into or hotel room.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it, I get it now. And it's just like none of this lines up though. So that's where I'm I'm this is a fucking garbage ass fucking excuse to say you can't get in. It really matters, you know, it's like that part really didn't fucking matter.
Where The Case Stands Now
SPEAKER_00After years of trying to find justice for Ellen, unfortunately, as of 2025, her death was re-rolled as a suicide. Sam has only spoken about her death once, and this is what he said. When Ellen took her own life, it left me bewildered. She was a wonderful and a kind person who had everything to live for. When she died, a part of me died with her. Unimaginably, in the 10 years that have passed, I have had to endure the unimaginable passing of my future wife. And the pathetic and despicable attempts to desecrate my reputation and her privacy by creating a narrative that embraces lies, distortions, and falsehoods in order to avoid the truth. Way to make it about himself, right?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, end quote bullshit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was all direct quote from it was all direct garbage.
SPEAKER_05And I bet he's been living it up though since then.
SPEAKER_00Well, no one wanted to work with him at NBC anymore. And he eventually cut off all contact with the Greenbergs not too long after Ellen's death. Sam has never been named a suspect, and he got remarried, or he got married, excuse me, because he never did actually marry Ellen, disengaged. He got married in 2014 and has children and is a freelance producer in New York City. And this case, to me, to me, still remains unresolved.
SPEAKER_05This is fucking huge. He's still walking on sunshine. No. Doesn't it feel good? Now you had to take a big drink on that one, didn't you? I did. So fucked up. No, come on, dude. Come at me, bro. No way.
SPEAKER_00Uh, the source, the the main source that I use, I watched some uh YouTube interviews, but the main one is a documentary called Death in Apartment 603, the Ellen Greenberg story. Um that is on Hulu, and it is a three-episode series. And it is really in depth and thorough with everybody that, or you know, with uh with Dr. Osborne, with other people that got involved and all the conflicting theories and how shitty the police department was. And they uh the Greenbergs actually got $650,000 settlement from the police department, but her case has still not been named a homicide.
SPEAKER_05So they accepted responsibility but did not fucking take responsibility.
SPEAKER_00They could have just at least listed it, they could have at least listed it as undetermined. There was uh one off or one investigator who found these files in the fucking Christmas decoration bin. What? And decided to open it back up. Yeah. I mean, it makes me not please go watch that documentary Death in Apartment 603 on Hulu.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it makes me not at all want to climb the steps of Rocky anymore.
SPEAKER_00I know. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_05Like, wait for this one again.
SPEAKER_00Love you, Philly, but unless you got somewhere cool, huh? Somewhere else cool that we could possibly glance into, we're kind of done with Philly. We found the Rocky.
SPEAKER_05We just need a little, we need a little, we need a this little light of mine in the middle of this one because that one didn't shine. No, not at all.
SPEAKER_00I know. And when you think about like just knowing that it and this wasn't, okay, so this story was a long time ago, but it's in recent true crime conversation right now because they're still it's still going on. The investigation is still pretty much going on, and her family is still fighting for justice.
SPEAKER_05I feel like full-on exhumation over here. Exhumation, it's time to figure out those. Well, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_00I don't know that her body has still been properly put to rest because of exhumations. Yeah. And the women, okay, so in the Jewish community, the women of that community, they actually prepare a body for the service and to be laid to rest, and they had questions. So there's just a lot of unanswered questions in this case. Fucking hell.
SPEAKER_05So no fucking trial, no fucking nothing, no deliberations, no real nothing has fucking ever happened.
SPEAKER_00What the fuck, Lindsay? I know. This is one of those ones that I I have listened, like I said, I've listened to as much coverage as I can because I want to know if anybody else knows more. But no. It's just what it is. Nobody looked into Sam. Nobody, it was not, it was cleaned up the next day. It was Joanna Hunter all over again without being a pastor's wife. You know what I mean? Just immediately they go straight to, oh, she had mental health issues. Oh, okay, she's crazy. Let's close this down.
SPEAKER_04Philly.
Abuse Signs Shame And Documentation
SPEAKER_00I want everybody to know right here on this platform that if one day I just suddenly am taken out of this world and it gets deemed a suicide, nope, it wasn't.
SPEAKER_05Let's go to Philly. We can eat their baby back ribs, even though I don't have a. I was about to say, what? Their fucking cheesesteaks suck too, so fuck that. Even though they created them.
SPEAKER_00You have to, you have to. So it was a DoorDash order. I don't know. That could have been a thing. It took us like an hour to get it.
SPEAKER_05You see me trying to pull out a joke on Philly. I'm like, Philly's baby back ri. Barbecue sauce. But no, this fucking thing does not deserve any barbecue sauce. It was fucking garbage. And Lindsay. I'm so sorry. But I have to say, thank you, I guess. Cause, you know, the things.
SPEAKER_00All my friends that listen to this, look at Jesse if I just go away. If I stab myself in the back of the net.
SPEAKER_05I'll walk away before I investigate Jesse. Have I ever put on hand in you? I mean, no. Walk away.
SPEAKER_00By the way, though, I do want to say really quickly about the bruises. I am a member of the mysterious bruise club, and they appear out of nowhere. I don't know where they came from, and Jesse is not hitting me. But if I stab myself in the back of the neck, please investigate Jesse, okay?
SPEAKER_05So please do, actually. I agree. I agree, actually. You heard it. I would take full on responsibility if your spine is severed and you stabbed yourself in the back of the head. I would be like, nah, fucking dude. I did it. Fuck it.
SPEAKER_00I mean, but let's, I mean, honestly, on a serious note, let's just hope that Ellen's family can eventually get the justice that they deserve, that Ellen can get the justice that she deserves. Because listen, no, Ellen did not do this to herself.
SPEAKER_05No, and I was up at arms the whole time, dude.
SPEAKER_00I feel like demolition man in the middle of this bastard. Very happy that you caught on early without knowing anything about it.
SPEAKER_05No signs, no nothing. So you actually, what you told me is what I would get as a juror, and the guilty box would definitely be checked right to the state.
SPEAKER_00But there was no, there was never he was never a suspect.
SPEAKER_05He didn't even get it. He didn't suspect it. He was never a suspect. I feel like it. I feel like that. I feel fucking like there should be some kind of fucking something.
SPEAKER_00The police fucked up and they're gonna continue to hide that shit. That shit going because they know they can't. Well, like I said, unfortunately, there is no crime scene to investigate because it was. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05You know, there's no evidence.
SPEAKER_00Other than her wounds, exactly.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, the severity of the severed spine situation was a very good thing.
SPEAKER_00Well, and to me, the text messages that went from zero to sixty cut I mean right away.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, the weird salad in the whole like shutdown of her whole livelihood is there's just so much fucking evidence that points more than 10 fucking arrows toward him.
SPEAKER_00Her doctors did not have any reports of abuse. That doesn't mean that she felt comfortable to tell them at that stage. Yeah. There could have been this is hypothetical, don't quote me on this, but there could have been a shift immediately after that engagement that did shift right into abuse.
SPEAKER_05This is a documentary.
SPEAKER_00And it could have escalated type situation. It could have escalated quickly because sometimes at that stage in a relationship, men do become uh possessive.
SPEAKER_05Controlling, possessive, they're gonna set their fucking ways better do home to her parents. Yeah. Yep. Like I said, I'm gonna re-incantate that statement. Yes, documentation at point A. Whenever you fucking step off into a situation, male or female, both need to documentate those encounters and be like, hey, my life has changed. There's some things that are happening with me or my spouse. You know what I mean? Yeah, but she didn't write it down in a little journal, right? She didn't document it, she didn't really put it into play. She had so many avenues, but there's nothing wrong that she did. She was trying to protect decisions and stick to she was trying to fucking push the whole thing that all the weight that was put on her. She's just trying to be an amazing, beautiful ass fucking human being. Well, as well. And she had that on her and she couldn't fucking take it. And then he put it fucking sure enough, ten stab wounds behind her head and one in her heart, and all kind of other shit, I think.
SPEAKER_00I think as a person who has been abused, you're not, it takes a long time for you to get comfortable with telling other people because it's embarrassing. That is it's very embarrassing.
SPEAKER_05Not never fuck that.
SPEAKER_00It is.
SPEAKER_05I know, but I'm saying, you know, it as from this point on, if you're in that situation, fuck that. Because what do you have to balance out? Like we're all.
SPEAKER_00I was young. I was young, and this woman was still in her 20s as well. And they say that when you do go to college, and she did, like your childhood gets pushed back a little further as in somebody that goes right into a career right out of high school.
SPEAKER_05Right. You don't really solidify that part of the city.
SPEAKER_00I was, you know, 18, 19, and 21 when I was being abused, and it well, like I said, it was just something that you didn't just want to go tell people because it was embarrassing. Yeah, baby steps in society about yourself.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. And then you didn't have anything to build off from. I mean, there's so many different variables. I mean, I get it. I get it, Lindsay. I get it. Do not be scared, everybody. Do not be outspoken and document it. It's all there. The technology's there. Document this shit, man. Come on, y'all.
Band Plug Anna Hate Me
SPEAKER_00Well, Jesse, listen, it's it's at that point of the show where we need that palette cleansing. What you got for us today? What band are you gonna plug for us today?
SPEAKER_05I'm gonna do it up, Lindsay. I'm fixing to do it up big. Lindsay, I took the time to talk to Eclipse Records. Oh. Yeah. So the next four episodes is gonna be bands from Eclipse Records. Okay. Yeah. So we're gonna support them, and we're gonna talk about this first band is called Anna, and this song is called Hate Me. I love it so much.
SPEAKER_00Or it could be up there with Death Tones and in this moment, sexy metals. Sexy metal. Yeah. So that is Anna from Sydney, Australia. Not Sydney, Melbourne, Australia.
SPEAKER_05Melbourne.
SPEAKER_00And uh so you can find them, uh, Anna.bandofficial on Instagram. And they have a new album out called Motivated by Death.
SPEAKER_04Love it.
SPEAKER_00And there is a comic that it says it's comic number two that they got coming soon. So they got some comics. All the graphics, all the cool stuff. Yeah, we have to check into that.
SPEAKER_05Didn't that remind me of Timtrist that was from Australia too? Oh, they're so cool too. I bet they know them. I bet they know them.
SPEAKER_00Probably.
SPEAKER_05They need to.
SPEAKER_00That was beautiful.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and a check out Timtrist because they're making all the moves and they can help you make moves over in your area. And I'm so glad to support Eclipse Records and all their music.
SPEAKER_00Yes, thank you, Chris Poland, for helping hook this up.
SPEAKER_05For sure. For sure, bro. And I sent him emails, I sent the band some emails. We got a couple of them lined up, and we're gonna keep on doing that for the next four weeks. I am excited. Yeah, that's me too.
SPEAKER_00And we got some spooky shit coming the next few weeks because we're in October. Yeah. Yah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. All bullshit aside, fuck, Lindsay. I'm so sorry. Big fuckeroot you.
SPEAKER_00That one I've like I said, I've had that one under my wing for a minute. And I'm glad.
SPEAKER_05I'm glad. I'm drinking over here. Cheers, everybody, if you partake, you know, and uh spook. I'm getting to say spooky, but it's not. Scared eyes was a fucking hootamaroo.
SPEAKER_04It was fucked. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05If you had a chance to check that stuff out, go back and check it out. We did some lives and stuff, and you know, all
Where To Find Us And Merch
SPEAKER_05the stuff's there. We hung out with the most amazing human, Elizabeth Kalar.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, I can't wait to see her.
SPEAKER_05And her hubby and all the stuff.
SPEAKER_00So, as we're recording this, it's the day before we go, but as this comes out, we'll have already been.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, we're putting it out.
SPEAKER_00We're putting out, we're manifesting that it's a beautiful time. And we're we we we checked out Hallow Scream, and it was awesome.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah, and one of the victims were there from a pest. Podcast. Deep dive in that. Yeah, we did a whole fucking Huda Maroo last weekend. I fucking love it. Thank you guys though, honestly, for following along this long. And I mean, I really love you guys so much. And we have so many avenues you can check us out.
SPEAKER_00Yes, and say if this is your first listen, so we are on all the platforms. Our main website is drinkaboutsomething.sight, Instagram, drinkabout something. Send us an email at drinkaboutsomethingpod at gmail.com.
SPEAKER_05Where are we at on YouTube, Jess? You just type in the word Gen Z, J-N D S E Y. And I'm working out the lives now. So that's really fun.
SPEAKER_00We're figuring that out.
SPEAKER_05I don't know about new things.
SPEAKER_00Now, other lives that you can check out of ours are on drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay on TikTok. And what else? What else we got to say?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you can buy merch. If you actually type on uh drinkabout something.side, you can follow the links and we have merch and things. And I have some past contest that I'm not mentioning new contests because I need some winners from our past contests. So you can go back and check out some of the episodes, and um I will reward you. I even have this thing. I have this thing on my microphone stand that nobody's guessed yet where the fuck that came from. And I've been playing with it like for almost a year now. So it's Rockville. Yeah. I don't know. We've had to go Rockville. We got cruises coming up. We have so many things. We got months of things. Yeah, but well.
SPEAKER_00We're just always that we're already.
SPEAKER_05I'm so excited about I'm looking forward because we're old and shit flies so fast.
SPEAKER_00But we both need refills, so we're gonna sign off of here because we want to get a refill on our drink.
Refills Spooky Plans And Goodbye
SPEAKER_00We want to watch some American horror story because we are on that journey.
SPEAKER_05Finally, I know we're late.
SPEAKER_00Finally, we are so late. We're in asylum right now, yeah. So y'all, y'all know, y'all, if you know, you know.
SPEAKER_05And we're all ping-ponging right now off so many true crime things. You know, I'm glad you guys are part of this, and I have to be part of this because we're developing stories. She makes me.
unknownI do.
SPEAKER_05And maybe uh in a week or so I might tell my own story.
SPEAKER_00Yes, but we got some uh cool October uh spooky shit coming up for you in the next few weeks as well.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And we love you so much. We thank you all, all of our listeners worldwide. Yeah, Mr. Worldwide, Mr. Worldwide. We thank you so much for continuing this journey with us. And if you are new, please like, subscribe, share, comment.
SPEAKER_05I know. We thought we were like we pulled up our big girl panties today. We had 45 downloads.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's cool in one day. Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_05That's huge for us.
SPEAKER_00That is huge for us. We're just small apart-timers.
SPEAKER_054,500 downloads in one day. And then, I mean, I swear to God.
SPEAKER_00Uh I like to support small creators. Hey, we're really small creators. Support us. Hey, hey, hey, hey! Hey, hey, hey, hey, that's right, copyrighted shoe. Shut up. Okay, but it's time to do that recoil, Jesse. I'm Phil Earth.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, we're we're fucking having a great time, Lindsay. We love you so much with that horrible story. We love you so much. We love you more than much. Yes. Bye.
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