Witchy Banter To Kick Off

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Hey Jesse.

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Hello, Lindsay.

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Did you know that even though we used Game of Thrones vows for our wedding, because we're complete nerds, that the mother of the maiden in the crone is actually part of the Wicca religion?

SPEAKER_00 0:18

Yeah, it goes way back. Yeah, I kind of knew that was a kind of a thing. Yeah, hell yeah. And we did the damn thing. We did the damn thing. That's what's up. We uh must be some witches. What do you think? I think it says light as a feather, light as a feather, stiff as a board in our song, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Light as a feather, stiff as a board.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

I think so, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:04

You want to try that later?

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Yeah. I go first.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Or do we need like four? I need to call my coven. Oh, you got you do have a covenant, Lindsay's. I better not fuck up around Lindsay. She'd be working the roots on me. No, it's a good one. So Marie Laveau, I think you would be like Marie Laveau. If you were a witch, like you would kind of be like more around.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

Yeah, but anything that I want to do as far as that goes, I want it to all be like positivity, complete. I don't want to do anything dark.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Oh, okay. Yeah. All natural, sweet, earthy.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Yes. And just positive manifestation, just absolute the light. We got enough darkness. We talk about darkness every week. We got enough. But listen, hey.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Hey.

Drinks And The Day We Had

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Hey, listeners. Uh, we are Jesse and Lindsay from the Drink About Something podcast, where I tell Jesse a story, a true crime story. We have a couple of drinks, and at the end of the episode, Jesse plugs an amazing band for us to listen to. What's in your cup tonight?

SPEAKER_00 2:08

Me, I have the ginzelati.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

And what is that? For our listeners, I know what it is.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

It's pineapple Fanta and spiced rum.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Very good.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

So we came up with that when we first moved in together because it was like what we had in the house. And we had this uh, it was a smoothie maker, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Yeah. And I had a big old jug of that shit, and I just never really drank it. It was just in his house. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

And he and he likes, he always liked to drink Fanta when he would have pizza. So he had pineapple Fanta in the fridge, a jug of Jack Daniels. I mean, um, not Jack Daniels, uh, Captain Morgan spice rum. And that was our drink. We did uh, what did we used to call them? Gen Z Mondays.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Yeah. Yeah, because fuck Mondays.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

Well, and we never really we weren't really drinking on the weekends then because I was still working some weekends.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Yeah, it was wide open. Yeah, it was just yeah. And I was taking on like kids that I didn't have, and I was like raising, I was like, I'm taking on all this stuff, so I'm new dad stuff, so we're doing all that, and then then we went, we went uh kayaking and yeah, and I saved the rum that day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Oh my god, that was a day.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Yeah, it was a hoopla. The hoopla. What are you drinking?

SPEAKER_02 3:24

I have peach um vista bay. Oh, and uh some leftover tropical Celsius because I needed that shit earlier. We have had a day, you guys.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Yeah, full-on day, dude. I even went to my dermatologist today.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Yeah, and by that he means tattoo artists.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Got uh old silly goose there, a black goose from Oasis Tattoos in Gainesville. Go check him out.

SPEAKER_02 3:50

Yeah, if y'all are local to us, absolutely go to Oasis. I mean, all the artists there are talented, but goose is.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

I knew that he was feeling himself when he's all like talking about the plantains upstairs because he came in with a big old bag of food and he took it upstairs and he's all like, I got some plantains up there. I may or may not have rubbed my genitals on it. Listen, I would like the goose is goosing.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

I would give my one of my fingers right now for some plantains. That's one of my favorite things to eat.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

I must love a plantain.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Yeah. Especially with a big old plant that you're gonna get.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah, he looked like he had a whole bag.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Actually, you can just throw a plantain on any fucking thing. I don't care. Just give me some plantains.

Feeling Old With 90s TV

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Anyhow, yeah, anyhow, Lindsay, what made you feel old this time?

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Oh, you son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

I am going to be the son of a bitch today.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

When I was looking up uh when Rain Man came out today. That's kind of the same shit as me, man.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

I was looking up, uh keep going though. You got more?

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Well, it's just because you confuse Target with Kmart.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

And you were like, that's where I buy my underwear. 400 Oak Street, yeah. And I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, 400 Oak Street. I'm like, Jesse, that's Kmart.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Fuck. But that's where I get my underwear.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yeah, that's from Rain Man. And I was like, I don't think Target was around yet when Rain Man came out. And I looked up when Rain Man came out, which was 88. And then I looked up when Target was a thing, and it was like 62. And I was like, oh, never mind. I was wrong about that. But we didn't get him local to our area until like early 90s. I don't, I I do think I'm right about that.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Yeah, and I I said I said that was back when Tom Cruise didn't have a cruise ship for a nose.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

Actually, he still did.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

Yeah, he did. He didn't, but he was a heart throb still, though, right?

SPEAKER_02 5:42

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Yeah. What do you mean, still? Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

In 88, that's when his heart throbness was I mean, he still is, like all the way from then until now, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

But like I was telling you, I I prefer when he plays ugly old men. Yeah. There's something about that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Mine was basically the same thing. Like, I'm I'm I'm looking back at all of our TV shows, you know, like Randon Stampy just turned 30.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

Yeah. And then like Courage the Cowardly Dog is like 26 years old. And I'm not even gonna mention He-Man and Ninja Turtles and shit.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

No, because that shit we watched when we were little.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

They're in their 40s.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

I want a run when when we're done rewatch, when we're done with American Horror Story, when we're done re-watching Game of Thrones, I want to fucking re-watch cat dog.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Yes, and that's up there too. That's up to it.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Cat Dog, man.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Yeah, I didn't have the stats on cat dog, but I did write it down.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

Alone in a world with a little cat, though.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Me, some cat dog. Yes. Yeah, and I love courage too. We got to meet the artist, and yeah, that was really cool.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Did I ever tell you my my story about, you know, I grew up without having any kind of like cable or anything like that. So I could only watch cool cartoons like that when I was at a friend's house. So I was at a friend's house, first time I ever watched Ren and Stimpy, and it was the episode about um Stimpy. He's the big one, right? He's the chunky one.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

Yes. So he had farted and he didn't want it to leave him. And so he like married his fart and all the things. And then the next time, two years later, when I'm I think I was at my Aunt Catherine's house, and she would just let me have my little, my little time watching TV, you know, because she knew. She knew I was sheltered, all the things I was staying with her for the summer. That same episode came back on. And then a year later, I was at another friend's house. We're sitting down, Ren Stimpy's on, same episode. And Stimpy's running around with the fucking fart in a jar, right?

SPEAKER_00 7:43

Didn't he get a little bit of a few?

SPEAKER_02 7:44

I don't remember if it was in a jar. But I remember he got really depressed when it left him.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Well, yeah, and then heeped out. Yeah, the green cloud.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll have to find that episode and watch it. Because it was like, I just thought that that was wild. Three separate times. I never watched another episode before that.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

How cool were they?

SPEAKER_02 8:03

They were so cool. But then, of course, I watched many, many. When I moved out on my own, I watched Ren and Simpy continuously. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Yeah. I remember so many episodes. Like the one where you had the collection of nose goblins. Oh, yeah. The nose goblins had them under the desk. Yes. So many stories, though, Lindsay, and you got them too, though.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Oh my

Case Begins Larry Harris Sr

SPEAKER_02 8:23

god. This week. Uh so I told y'all season three. I warned you at the beginning, it's gonna be rough. We are in spooky season, and uh, we're gonna talk about a little bit of uh witchcraft today.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Ooh, crafty.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

And Jesse has my scripts. He's got to pass it back over to me.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

I'm holding it. I'm holding it like Stippy's fart.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

So the background information on our subject today. Today we're drinking about Lawrence Douglas Harris Sr. Um, it's it's limited, uh, but I do know that he was from Upland, California. He was the second of four siblings. And if you guys have multiple kids, y'all know that that second kid is the no-limit soldier. They will put you through all the hill. All the hill. And look, he and he was exactly what I just said. He was a handful. And his sister Kat says that he had to be the center of attention all the time. And he would have an absolute meltdown if it wasn't about him, period. He would yell at his mom and be completely disrespectful. And punishments did nothing. He would just start running away. We've dealt with that, haven't we, Jesse? We've had one of those. With my second child.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

I think we're experiencing that a little bit with our grands a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Not saying that we're gonna be able to do that. No, no, no. We're not gonna we're we're no. We are going to rebuke that. Yes. We're gonna invoke positivity, but she, we gotta, we're gonna get her, we're gonna get her by herself for a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

I'm gonna I'm gonna, real quick, I'm gonna go ahead and put a Al Nal Nathrach, Uthrasvethad, Donkey All Janve on that.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

You have no idea what you just said.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Well, if you know what it is, I'll give you a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

So then he would start becoming violent towards his siblings. Then he eventually became violent with his mom. And I mean, Larry's parents tried everything, and my heart just goes out to them because I have been through it. And as he got older, he would actually he became less violent, but he seemed to become more angry and somber. He went through like kind of probably like a grunge era type thing, you know.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

He uh he began to cut himself and had to spend some time in a behavioral institution because of that. So now we're gonna jump to when he meets Marla Strowman in 2005. Marla, she was a single mom who worked too hard, who loved her kids and never stopped.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Yeah, those are the moms, aren't they?

SPEAKER_02 11:01

You don't know that reference? Work too hard, love your kids, love your kids and never stopped. Oh, ooh. Who the gentle hands and the I'm gonna stop on that.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Yeah, okay, Reba.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

You did it.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

I've been re-watching Reba, so yeah. We were like pausing.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

We're like, should we sing it? Should we sing it? Did we do it? We do it. We did it.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

But you know, all jokes aside, Marla, she had one boy named Triton, and then two girls named Kendra and Alicia. I thought that was a very interesting name for a boy. Triton.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

I love it.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

Actually, King Triton from Little Mermaid.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

Absolutely. Yeah, had to do it.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Now, Marla, she was a caregiver at a group home in Alexandria, Minnesota. Larry and his son, who was just a baby at that time, were living in the group home. Larry was in the home recovering from addiction to meth, and his son's mother had abandoned the baby. Marla was a few years older than Larry, and she she had a little past too. She had been caught with marijuana possession in the past, but nothing real serious. She had no real record or anything other than that. So Larry starts talking to Marla about parenting on your own because she had experience, and they bond over that, and then a relationship starts, and they start taking their kids on walks together. And after about a month, Marla asked Larry to move in with her. But he wasn't sure he was a good enough parent to take on his boy Larry Jr. So little Larry remained in foster care for a while. But what's crazy is when he moves in with Marla, he helps take care of her kids. And what? Because she worked full-time until he found employment. And by all accounts, he was amazing with Marla's kids. He read to them, took them to the park, tucked them in at night, and it wasn't long before, like, you know, he was saying, I love you to these kids, and they were saying it back. But here's where things get complicated.

Beliefs That Start Breaking Trust

SPEAKER_02 13:09

Marla is of the Christian faith, and Larry says that he is a pagan who studies Wicca and reads Anton Levee's satanic Bible.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Oh, Anton Levee.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Yeah. Well, I mean, we did we did we did talk about the satanic. Yes, we talked about that. So they don't believe in any deities at all. They don't believe in all of that.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

No, it's more self and self. Selfish.

SPEAKER_02 13:35

Yes. They are uh they are all about themselves.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Yeah, and if you want to gain some cool points here, go to our first episode. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

Yes, and comment what you think about that one. So he tells Marla that he likes to practice casting spells. Well, that makes Marla uncomfortable. And she asks him not to do it in her house. And he had actually been like talking to the kids about it too. A little later on, Marla sees how good Larry is with her children and encourages him to get little Larry Jr. back. And when Larry finds out that it's actually possible, he tells Marla, hey, the spell worked. And she's like, Huh? And he said, Yeah, I cast a spell last night, and now I just got a call that I'm gonna get Junior back. Everything is great. What's the problem? And she was like, Well, I asked you not to do that in the house, and I definitely don't want my kids involved. But life went on, Junior comes home and they are pretty much a big happy family. And in July of 2006, Marla and Larry get married. Now, she will say later on in an interview that after their rehearsal dinner, that something inside of her was telling her not to go through with it. And that voice inside of her was saying, if you do, you're going to regret it for the rest of your life. But she didn't listen to that voice. And she was like, you know what? The children are happy. Her and Larry never fought. She thought maybe it was just a bit of cold feet, like her own. Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

You know, all the nervousness. The nervousness.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

Now I'm not sure what the details are, but there were a couple of times that the cops actually had come to the family's house, but nothing came of those incidents. Like nothing was reported. So I'm not really sure there. Now Larry tries to get Marla later on, you know, after they're married, to read the satanic Bible. But she does not like how it contradicts the Holy Bible. So after a couple of pages, she says, you know, I'm not interested. And the more invested Larry gets into the satanic Bible, the more his behavior starts to change. Which is odd to me, because the satanic Bible is not about evil or anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

So But you're using the word, so of course that's taboo, you know?

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

But that's the whole the whole reason why it's called that religion is because it was basically as a fuck you to everybody else, to all these other religions. You know what I mean? But it is literally the practice of one's selfish, like you're investing in yourself.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

It's kind of setting the premise for the people that want to be real and get away from the whole Christianity religion, period.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

Right. Like I said, it's more about just like taking care of it. It's like it's more like self-care. As far as I know, so far, we are gonna go in depth into Anton LeVay down the road. So we'll get back to you on that. But as far as I know, the things that I read in research covering Corpsewood Manor and things like that, it doesn't say anywhere that was there's anything really evil in that religion. Like I said, it's more about yourself.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

But it's not really antichrist, it's just more than a chance. But they just called it more agnostic or they just called it they say the satanic church to be.

SPEAKER_02 16:59

Because I don't know. I haven't read it.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

I'm not even interested in reading it myself.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Well, the I mean, like I said, I just I looked up, I have looked up basic, not AI overview, but Wikipedia articles and things like that about it. Yeah, a summary. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

I gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Haven't deep dived into it.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

But I think the word itself is just trying to like pronunciate the the whole grasp of this doesn't exist and we're just gonna support ourselves type and do our own things.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

Right, but like I said, they don't believe in a deity, period. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

I'm just I'm trying to hash it out with you because you know more than me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

Yeah. But like I said, the most that I have gone into it, I don't understand why his behavior would change other than there's something going on upstairs, and we're gonna get into that. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Oh man, control thing or something, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

Well, Larry, he starts bringing red, white, and black candles into the house. He draws Baphomet and Crayon on a dresser, and he starts drawing his own blood. He's practicing stuff that Marla is not okay with, and she doesn't want it in the house. So he starts doing things in the woods. He starts going to the woods to practice spells and he returns with cuts on him. And this is scaring Marla because she doesn't understand what the fuck he's doing. She doesn't get it. And that's where I would be like, all right, you need to explain this to me, or we gotta figure out our living situation.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

But we can practice like symbolic blood magic, but if you actually do blood magic, then it's anti-well, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Let me get yeah, let me get into it. Yeah, well, that's that was more of the Wicca and the pagan stuff, according to Larry. So life, you know, continues

Control Jealousy And Stopped Meds

SPEAKER_02 18:39

to go on. And in early 2007, they moved to Marla's hometown in Sioux City, Iowa. This was mostly because their rental house was put up for sale by the owner. And Marla has family in that area. Now Marla is working at another residential facility, and Larry gets a job at Walmart. Not too long after they move, Marla's son, who is just 13, gets convicted of second-degree criminal sexual conduct and becomes part of the registry at 13. It's the details could not find what exactly he did. Because there's actually not many people that have covered this. Um, I will discuss later where I got a lot of this information and where I found this. But yeah, so Marla's girls, they were in the fifth and second grade at this time. You know, she just, like I said, her 13-year-old son just got in trouble. But Kendra, she's in the fifth grade and she's super smart and she would write short stories. And she was also already learning Japanese because she loved anime so much.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Wow. Just super art, yes, artistic and just reaching out for everything to be herself.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

Right. Yeah. And she she also loved animals and you know, aspired to be a vet when she grew up. And little Alicia, she loved to draw and she wanted to be a teacher when she grew up. And she was already reading at a fifth grade level in second grade.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Both girls loved to swim and roller skate and bake, and everyone said they were super sweet girls. Like Kendra brought one of their neighbors cookies at Christmas time, like just very well-rounded girls. Now, around this time, I'm pretty sure it was uh shortly after the incident with Marla's son. Larry and Marla start to fight, and there's a lot of tension in the house. They're fighting over discipline, dishes, laundry. Now, those things seem normal at first. And it was actually Larry that was more on the clean freak side. He did not like how messy Kendra and Alicia were, and he was like, they need to have their shit spotless all the time. And Marla's like, Well, they're kind of my kids. Why don't you just kind of stay out of it? Let me deal with it if you're having an issue.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

Oh, so he's reaching for structure and home accountability.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

She's still got that mom guilt because they are from a different father, their father's not around, she's divorced. So there is, I mean, we've we've even battled that. Battle's troubles. Yes. Because I'm like, listen, we gotta pick our battles where I'm more on the clean freak side.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

But I'm just an easygoing dude. I'm just gonna go.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Yeah, I'm like, no, clean your fucking shit up.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Yeah, and I'm just like, uh, well, they'll take care of it.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

But I definitely don't want to be compared to Larry, but I understand cleanliness, and I understand that we all you also need you need to teach the kids to clean up after themselves. Yeah, and it's a battle every time. And you're yeah, you're gonna fight with them every fucking day of your life until they are grown. But then when they move out, then they keep a clean house. My mom did it with me.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Yeah, our oldest does it. You know, he is wide open keeping a nice house.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Yeah, that's then he's got an excellent work ethic. Yeah. But also, Marla had platonic male friendships, and Larry would start to get jealous of. When she would either hang out with these friends or give them these were all like co-workers, okay? And there was one guy she would give a ride home. But a lot of the times, like she would take the kids with her and so that Larry would see, hey, this is strictly friendship. Because Larry, he really didn't have any friends. He was socially awkward, which is not Marla's fault. But when he expressed his anger, she was like, All right, I won't hang out with him anymore, you know? Now Larry had also been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and was medicated for it. But then he just decides to stop taking his medicine, and that was in June of 2007.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Ooh, not good.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

Now this led to more fighting. And Marla's like, look, we need to go to counseling and you need to get back on your meds.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Yeah, you're swinging.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

Or this isn't gonna work out.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Moods are everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Moods are everywhere. She was like, the kids don't deserve to see us fighting anymore. Let's get this resolved. She says that she loved him and she was willing to do anything to make it work.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Right. She's seen the best side of him, and he's getting all the brownie points, especially at the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

In December of 2007, Larry finally agrees to go see a doctor. And the doctor wanted a second visit before prescribing medicine. But Larry doesn't schedule that second appointment. And then he says something pretty alarming to Marla in the middle of a fight. He says, I can hurt you in the worst way possible without even touching you. But like I said, this was in the middle of a fight. Right. So Marla brushed it off. She definitely should not have.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

He feels like he's got some power though.

The Fire Call And A Horrific Claim

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Because on January 6th, 2008, Marla goes to work. And she's got to pull a double. And Larry, he's at home with the kids. And I'm thinking that this was still during Christmas break time because around 1.30 p.m., Marla gets this eerie feeling like something is wrong. And she actually asks her job if she can leave because she's not hearing from Larry like she usually is. She said normally she would get 50 to 100 texts a day from him.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

That's unhealthy.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

That is unhealthy.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

I think so.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

So when you're going from getting 50 to 100 a day to nothing, she's like, what the fuck? And he's not responding to her texts that she's sending. So the job, they're like, no, we're understaffed. We really need you to stay. And then around 418, the police and the fire department were called by Larry, saying that there was a fire, but the call was made anonymously. It wasn't until later on that they figured out that it was Larry that called. When they get there, they instantly see blood on Larry's hands. And he said that Kendra and Alicia were deceased in their rooms.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Lindsay.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

He said that their death was a result of a spell gone bad. Lin Z. And the first responders, they're like, What? There was a fire in the basement, but it seemed like it caused what they said was superficial damage, and it was maybe like done on purpose, you know what I mean? But there are two girls that are dead upstairs. Larry shows them this notebook that he had of spells and drawings, and it was all references from the satanic Bible, a book called Pagan Ways, and oh my god, I can't say this word. Necronomicon? Necronomicon. Necronomicon.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Should fuck the Yeah, Ash, evil dead, Necronomicon, Lindsay. Sorry. Why did this motherfuckin' motherfucker be a motherfucker, dude? Practice your shit on something else. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Well, we're gonna get let me finish.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

Oh, this is an oh man.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Now he tells the police that he had been possessed by the Hindu goddess Callie, and she is the goddess of time, change, and destruction. Sir. What? Now I had to Google this. Callie is Hindu, but she is referred to in Wicca, but they mostly use the triple goddess, which is Mother Maiden Chrome.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Right. I mean, you're putting a fucking bad name on all this bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Exactly. We want y'all to know right now that we do not look down on any of these practices. We are, that's what I'm that's why I'm telling this story because this guy had more things wrong with him.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

Yeah, he was taking the wrong things, the negative things, and twisting them into something like that. He didn't know what the fuck he was doing either. Yeah, there you go. Failure.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Now the girls were taken by the medical examiner, and it was determined that Alicia and Kendra had died of aspitiation. Alicia had been strangled, and this was by a cloth belt that later on Marla will be like, Yeah, that came with a pair of pants that I bought, Larry. Now Marla had texted Larry at 4:15, but she got no response. Soon after, her cousin called and told her that fire trucks were at her house. So she calls Larry again and gets no answer, of course. But then she has a voicemail from Larry, like it was like a butt dial, and he's cussing up a storm. He's just flipping out on this voicemail. Then the police call Marla to let her know that there was a fire. And she calls Larry again, and this time the police answer and said that she's gotta go to the hospital, ASAP. Now, when she gets there, they won't tell her right away what has happened to the girls. I mean, she has to literally beg them. Now, when she gets there, she believes that her girls have died from the fire. The police tell her that she's gotta go to the police station for an interview. And that's where she finds out that Larry is being held responsible for the homicide for the murder of her children. And boom.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Yeah. Right, big bada boom.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

Like I said, she thought that they passed away from smoke inhalation. Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

He was holding a cloth belt over one youngin''s neck until they passed away.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Well, she, her son, Triton, he was at her mom's house. So, like, she's got all this going through her head. She's like, why didn't I just let them go over there? You know, but Yeah. All right. Oh, God.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Oh, here it comes.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

Well, she asked if she could see Larry, and they let her, but they were like, You can't, you have to hold your hands behind your back. You can't put your hands on him. And that's that's gotta be hard to do.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

Yeah, he gets fucking protection.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

She, and it's and it's all it's recorded. Like, I'm gonna plug where I got all this information here in a little bit, but you can watch it right on there what she says to him. It's it's fucking heartbreaking, man. And she immediately asks to see his hands, and they still have blood on them. And DNA results later on uh prove that some of that blood was from Alicia, the youngest one. And it was like when she saw that, she knew. So Marla completes her interview and she calls family and she moves out of that house like immediately. She's like, I can't, I can't go back there. I mean, and I can't blame her a bit. Larry is charged the next day with two counts of first-degree murder. Actually, he's officially booked the next day, and then he's charged officially on January 15th. And Larry goes for the insanity plea because he has been unmedicated. But the prosecutors are like, no, this man was practicing witchcraft, and his notebook was full of everything that he had been doing and notes he had taken, and what happened to the girls was taken from passages of the satanic Bible, which I I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Multiple counts of premeditated, right? Documented. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Yeah, Larry's defense, they did not want any of this, like any of the beliefs or practices brought up in court. Sir, what? What? Yeah. Okay, so the spell that Larry used was called invocation employed towards the conjuration of destruction. This spell talks about slashing the victim and rend that gaggling tongue and close his or her throat, O'Callie. Like that was like the notes that he took. But the satanic Bible prohibits killing children and other human sacrifices are to be made indirectly, like a hex. Like you just speak the words, you don't actually hurt them. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Well, what you're trying to do is you're trying to invoke something that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Yes, you're invoking mental or emotional destruction. That was my next word. Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

And if it doesn't work, then maybe you weren't powerful enough or it wasn't meant to be, because you still do believe in the end in some kind of higher something that makes that power.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Right. Well, more evidence came out that not only were the girls strangled, but their wrists were cut, their genitals were cut, and they had both been completely naked and sexually assaulted. Fuck. So I guess a spell did all that.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

Just straight fuck.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

A spell gone wrong did all that.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

Fucking hell. You just yeah, you got it all wrong, dude. Fry.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

Yeah. Yeah, Larry was just a jealous asshole and a pedophile and a murderer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

And it all just fucking came out right here. And he's wanting to use that for an excuse. Yeah. Fuck you, Larry.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

A psychiatrist said that he was not mentally ill and that Larry had suspected Marla of having an affair, and he didn't like how much time she spent with her kids. And he had done exactly what he said he was gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

And that's why you don't look on a book that hells for all the selfishness. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

I know. But what I was gonna say was he did exactly what he said he was gonna do. Yeah. He hurt Marla in the worst possible way without laying a hand on her.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Yeah. Selfish.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

That's more than selfish, Jesse.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Well, I mean, you took it to a whole nother level, and then you used to be.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

And then you want to bring other religions in it. Twisted.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

It's all fucking twisted. Yeah.

Trial Evidence And The Spell Defense

SPEAKER_02 32:43

Now the trial was very out of the ordinary, to say the least. Now, Larry claims the spell was cast to straighten out Marla's son, who had gotten in the trouble. 13-year-old convicted of, you know, sexual misconduct. And when he said that, you know, he was possessed by Callie and all that, he said he walked to the store. Like he said, he cast the spell. He did the thing, he blew out the candles, and he walked to the store with Larry Jr. And then when he came home, the house was filled with smoke and the girls were upstairs deceased. That was his defense. And the defense tried to use that he was unmedicated and that he was in a trance. Now, here's where their argument could have actually been valid. Larry had never been violent with any of the kids before. There wasn't a history of abuse. And Marla and childcare advocates said that he was a great father and stepfather. Even Kat, who was terrified of her brother as a kid, had moved in with Marla and Larry for a while and said that she had seen an amazing change in Larry since he met Marla. So what was the motive? Well, sometimes psychopaths are just in it for the long game. And there was red flags. So Marla says that when Kendra started her period, she was only nine years old. And Larry was pissed. And he said, She's not pure anymore. She's unclean. Now Marla, for some reason, took that as he didn't want to have to deal with her mess. And Marla's like, I'm I'm gonna take care of that. You don't have to buy her tampons, you don't have to buy her pads. I'm gonna deal with that. But if I heard that with my ears, I would have been like, what do you mean she's unpure? What do you mean she's unclean? But I'm not gonna judge Marla at all because she was she was blinded by love. And we are a lot of times, and we do push back those red flags. It doesn't register till after the fact.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

Well, it seems like she had her head down trying to be a provider and doing the best she can in the situation she was in.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

And everything that she saw was positive, you know.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

But then boom, all of a sudden you get those kind of accusations and those kind of threats and those kind of things tied into him practicing what he did, you know? So it's like, ooh, are you doing this the right way? Or are you gonna fuck all this up? And that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

Yeah, and he was a psycho. On January 29th, 2009, Larry was found guilty on two counts of first-degree murder and was given two life sentences. I watched the show Evil Lives Here, season five, episode nine, about this case. And the guilt that Marla and Kat both experience is absolutely heartwrenching. Like Kat, she was on her way to work and she like I guess she was walking, and her debit card, she had left her debit card at home and she talked herself out of turning around to give it it because she was like, I don't really need it. And she says that if she had just went back, because it was around that same time when she left to go to work that Marla was over here getting that eerie feeling and tried to leave work and go home. I just thought that that's more witchy than anything this motherfucker was doing because they both had these feelings and they ignored them. Don't ignore those feelings. I'm not victim blaming whatsoever because Kat and Marla are victims as just as much as the children. They were blinded by this man's. I mean, he was literally, in my opinion, Larry was in it for the long game. Like he was doing all the things in front as a front. He was doing all the right things to get Marla to trust him and to get his sister who hated him to trust him. Right.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

And then he played the game very well, didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 36:55

This horrific thing and tried to blame it on magic. Sir, get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

There is no kind of magic that is Well, not even magic.

SPEAKER_02 37:03

Okay, we'll call it witchcraft, piganism.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

It's an excuse, is exactly what it is, for your fucking crazy ass thoughts and shit that you could have walked away from and everybody would have been fine.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

But you used it. You used it for your debilitating, horrific fucking fantasies.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Exactly. That he he and he won't ever admit to that. I mean, like I said, the defense didn't even want him to talk about that shit. They wanted to just be like, hey, shut the fuck up. We'll try to get you, you know, less time served or whatever, because you're an unmedicated bipolar disorder diagnosis, you know, you're a person diagnosed with this disorder. But he was like, no, I'm gonna talk about this because this is what he's trying to use as his own defense.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Yeah, but there is no higher being, if it be thy will, type situation ever when it comes to somebody's own fucked up psychosis where they want to twist something and then create horrific drama or death to somebody else.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

There's no, I mean, to me, even his explanation is absolutely fucking stupid because he's trying to say that he was trying to cast a spell to straighten out Triton, but then Kendra and Alicia die in a horrific manner, and you're possessed by this goddess named Callie from Hindu. Like it's just so No, you're not, dude. No, absolutely not. No, we don't believe you, Larry. We don't believe you.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

Fuck that dude.

Aftermath Guilt And Misused Religion

SPEAKER_02 38:31

But that is the end of that coverage on that motherfucker. I don't like him. Wow. Well, yeah. I have uh actually, this was covered by True Crime All the Time, I believe is the name of the podcast. And I don't even follow them, but they just came up like one Friday when I was cleaning house and was working on, you know, I'm just I'm just listening. So I'm listening to my regular shit, and then they just come up in the algorithm, right? And that case just like it locked me in. I was like, what? So I it's actually the research on this was hard to find. I read the Sioux City Journal coverage about them, and then I found that episode on Evil Lives Here, and I had to dig, but I watched that episode, I watched it three times.

SPEAKER_00 39:19

We're bringing the light some some bullshit. Yeah, if you're not like mentally able to take on that kind of intellect of somebody twisting something into their own religion or their own writings or their own practice. No, this guy gives a bad name participate to those all those religions. Yeah, dude. No, you're not. I mean, dabble and and experiment and do whatever you want to in your own thoughts and processes, but if you're not mentally ready for this and you want to grasp this on and twist it into something else, if you're that kind of person, don't participate at all.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Exactly. Like if you don't know what you're doing and haven't studied on it, like like I said, me and a couple of my friends, we just, you know, did some positivity manifestation type things. We're not out here trying to deep dive into something we don't know about yet. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 40:13

Yeah, don't be a walking contradiction to yourself, also.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

No, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 40:18

Yeah, I'm just gonna take this and oh, this seems cool too. And it's gotta be evil because it says Satan on the book, right? Right. So we're allowed to do this, right? No, fuck no. You're not causing harm on somebody else. Ever thought you could fucking participate in some bullshit like that. Fuck, I'm pissed off already, Lindsay. Damn it. But hell, you know, I gotta do the things, and thank you for finding this one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:44

It's horrific, but it needs more attention because, like I said, people like Larry give other religions like Wicca, paganism, and even the Church of Satan a bad name. And he, I mean, I to me, he's just like doing pretty much what I did. Like looking on Wikipedia. No, I mean, he actually had the books and shit in his house. He was reading them, but I think he just took them to a level of twisted. Of twisted. And he was an unmedicated person with bipolar disorder. And he had previously, so I think it some of those symptoms can actually I'm not a doctor here, but just from things that we've talked about in the past, I think the things can actually get worse when you have been medicated and then you stop taking it.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

Well, what else are you gonna feed off from except for building on negative emotion because it makes you feel good? And that's probably what happened there. And I'm just looking for an excuse, you know?

SPEAKER_02 41:46

Right. Absolutely. But we're gonna take a big deep breath. Five sips.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

Take five sips. Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

And I'm gonna ask Jesse what I ask him every week. What band do you have for us today?

Band Spotlight Oathbound Set Adrift

SPEAKER_00 42:04

Lindsay, I'm going back to Eclipse Records.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

And I'm talking about the band called Oathbound. Oathbound, okay. Yeah, this song is called Set Adrift, and you're gonna fucking love it.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Maybe one day I'll get a reasonable That was perfect.

SPEAKER_00 46:06

Oh my God, they were amazing.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

What a good damn song. What a damn good song. I've had a couple of white claws over here. I've had this debate.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

I'm enjoying Eclipse Records music. Yes. And all the bands. Yeah. Thank you guys for letting us share your catalog. It's so good. These guys are making moves. Check out the bands, man. Always check out the bands. Always check out the bands.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

And yeah, so they are Oathbound underscore band on Instagram. And of course, they are with Eclipse Records. Go follow them right now. And follow them on Spotify or whatever music platform you listen to.

Where To Follow Us And Next Scares

SPEAKER_02 46:48

And while you're at it, if you're not already, follow us. Our main website is drinkaboutsomething.site on Instagram or DrinkaboutSomething. And then if you want to send us an email, if you want to share a story that you know about, or you want to hear something specific that you want us to cover, hit me up at drinkaboutsomethinkpod at gmail.com. Where are we at on that YouTube?

SPEAKER_00 47:17

You just type in Gen Z, J-E-N-D-S-E-Y. It's easy. Everybody has the app, and you can come and party with us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:25

And there's one. Oh, and we do sporadic lives on TikTok. Drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay. Lindsay. Yes. Yeah. So tomorrow we're going to be heading down to Sir Henry's haunted house. Is that right? Is that what it's called?

SPEAKER_00 47:40

Yeah, it's going to be the top fucking horror house in Florida, and you're going to have a blast, Lindsay. You can hang on to my shirt while we walk through it.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

Okay. Okay. Oh, that's what I do anyway. We want you to be scared.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

But um, yeah, so uh we're probably we might do a live there or on the way back.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

We'll gather some content, Matt, put it together for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

And recap uh Ellen Greenberg and uh this case right here. And then next week, we have some more spooky shit to talk about. So because it's October.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

And we're gonna hand you something on the way down because we're going to Plant City, and we already kind of been to Plant City a little bit, little bit. But there's some shit that happened in Plant City, and I might hand you something to do.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

Well, let's go live and talk about that.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

Uh just I'm just gonna hand you a script and be like, read this.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

Of some shit that happened down there. Okay. Because we're going right by that area. Oh. Yeah. But check out all the bands, dude. Like, if you're a Spotify listener, you can check out our first two seasons on Spotify. Drink About Something season one playlist, season two, two playlists. Two to them. You can have fun and check out all the music and follow them and support them.

SPEAKER_02 48:51

Because the music has been fire. Like we have, it has really been good shit.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

Yeah, I think I'm doing, you know, not not as an amazing job like you, Lindsay, but I'm doing a damn job.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

You are doing a great job because that is that's our that's the other part of our show.

SPEAKER_00 49:07

Yeah, you just stay for the story and or what are you listening to?

SPEAKER_02 49:10

Come for the story and stay for the news and have a couple of drinks in between.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

And I'm feeling tipsy. Ginzelotti's got me. We're gonna take a oh yeah, we're gonna take some time off here. We're gonna uh maybe I'll tell a story one of these days soon. Yeah. I'm excited for that. But on the way down, I think I'm gonna hand you a script. I think you already got it printed out in there.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

Okay. I was wondering what that was, but I just cleaned around it. I did not look.

SPEAKER_00 49:40

Let's do this. Yes. Yeah, we'll see you guys uh next Friday, though. And we're gonna go do things, we're gonna talk about things, we're gonna, you know, we're just doing things and let us know what you're doing too, because we all want to hang together.

SPEAKER_02 49:51

And we're almost at the most wonderful time of the year, which is Halloween.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

Right now, it started in September, Let's see.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

It did, but I'm not rushing it because time goes by fast enough.

SPEAKER_00 50:03

I th I I told her yesterday. I was like, Lizzie, let's just keep our house like this.

SPEAKER_02 50:08

Yeah, Jesse loves uh loves when I get my decorations. Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 50:13

We'll just put Christmas shit over top of the other shit.

SPEAKER_02 50:16

Halloween all the time.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

Yeah, with a Christmas Christmas feng shui. Let's do it, man. Just leave it. Just leave it. I mean, what what else do I wear but skull shirts all year long? So pretty much me too. Yeah. They were making compliments about our outfits today.

SPEAKER_02 50:34

Yeah, Jessie and I look pretty hot today. I got on my hocus pocus shirt. You have on this beautiful pink and blue skull button up. It's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_00 50:43

Gorgeous? We have some gorgeous people. Send us pictures of your gorgeousness, Halloweeness. We want to see it. Come participate with us, share, subscribe, like, follow, and all the stuff. And we love you. So my