My Chemical Romance Nostalgia

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Hey Jesse. Hey, Lindsay. So Blast from the Past, My Chemical Romance made it number one on the Billboard top 200 charts as of November the 7th this year. Can you believe that? For the Black Parade? They released a 20th anniversary reissue of the Black Parade. Holy shit. Yes. Fuck yes. Back to number one.

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When I was a young boy. And that's it.

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That's all you get. You don't get no father, no nothing.

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We should just have a little keyboard out here.

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Boom.

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That's all you have to do, just play the B. Yeah. That's all we need is the B. So our music slaps.

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Well, can we technically call that our music? It was a little later than us. It's still our music. We're okay. Yeah.

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I'm taking it.

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I mean, yeah, we were still in our what early 20s.

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Yeah, we were when MCR blew the fuck up. 20 years ago. But yeah, still, yeah, yeah. We yeah, fucking hell yeah. Yeah, 20 years ago. We were 24. Yeah. Let's do this.

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We love MCR. Yeah. And we'll carry on. All the way into Friday. What did you say last night? Gerard Way is the way.

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So I'm thinking like the Mandalorian that's walking around saying this is the way. The Gerard way.

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Gerard is the way.

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Yeah. That's what they're talking about.

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Yeah.

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The whole time. It's all one big old George Lucas spinoff. Pretty much. The black parade and the whole like whole thing. It's like it's all about dark. Umbrella Academy. All that.

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Welcome

Drinks And NIWRC Shoutout

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everyone to the Drink About Something podcast where we talk about true crime. We have a couple of drinks. And at the end of the episode, Jesse plugs an amazing band that we have permission to play. And Jesse, what's in your cup today?

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Belvidere vodka. That's what I'm doing.

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You're drinking some of my birthday present. I am.

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It wasn't even open.

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I know. Well, because we other we had other, we had to do FIFO first in, first out, you know.

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Yeah. Well, yeah, because I bought you like two bottles before that. And there's one of those we haven't drank yet. We don't really partake too much. We're just doing here and these. We do these while we do those.

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Well, I'm mostly a seltzer girl. Vodka is a treat.

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Yeah, this is a vod sod.

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Yes.

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And it's nice.

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Yes. And you're having it with some what you got in there?

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The white claw, the apple.

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Yes.

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Yeah. Love it. And some retro? Oh, that's on the side. I'm just geeking. I'm geeking on the side. Yeah, don't tell anybody. I'm geeking over here on the side. What are you drinking there, Miss Lindsay?

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Well, I have, I think this is my favorite combination. Or it's top, it's top three. The grape white claw with the grape rush Celsius. Oh my god. It's so nostalgic. It tastes like Grape Welch's soda from the 90s that you would get in a can out of the vending machine. That's what I think of every time I taste it. It's delicious.

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This shit is crispy. I'm enjoying it.

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Well, we're still in November. We said we were gonna recognize a Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women's Organization every week this month. And this week we're gonna recognize National Indigenous Women's Resource Center. And you can find them. It's NIWRC.org. And they have, I mean, they do everything. You can donate to them. You can go to them for resources. They've got careers. They, I mean, just everything. They've got events, they've got merch on Etsy that I'm gonna get for me and Jesse. Yes.

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Let's do this. I know. Let's do this. Everyone should.

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But yes, go, go if you are in need of any of those resources at all or you want to donate to their cause, go to that website once again. I'm gonna pull it back up because I closed out my phone. N-I-W-R-C.org. And yes, help out our missing and murdered indigenous women organizations because they are so important. And you know, we want to recognize them all month because this is their month. And fuck Columbus.

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Again, we're gonna say that again. Yes.

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Fuck Columbus.

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Forever and ever and ever more.

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Forevermore. Yeah. So who's

What Made Us Feel Old

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gonna do it first? You gonna do it first? What made you feel old this week? Oh love. I was just giving us that like moment here. We were just staring at each other.

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Because I mean, I uh the dance hall dance thing has been in my head all the morning.

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Yeah, so we were singing that song, you know, and I, you, and everyone. We well, anyway, we were uh we were like, is it and we danced all dance, and I was like, no, that can't be right. That can't be right. So it was Dance Hall Days, that's the name of the song, and we're stupid. I'm sure everybody that's listening already knew that, but we just didn't. We just sang what was in our heart.

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Yeah. I mean, that didn't make me feel old, but still, we're singing old ass songs, and then that's good stuff, though. It's good stuff. So, what made you feel old this week? I just uh the old Uno card on you.

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Well, hold on, let me pull up my notes because I got I had to I had to write it down. There we go. That's what made me feel old, is I gotta write notes about what made me feel old. Because there's so many things throughout the week. Okay, I listen to a lot of true crime for podcasts that I follow and for the research for this one, right? So I gotta have my wholesome ones on the side. And I've been uh so my my two go-tos were The Office Ladies and uh Amy Polar's Good Hang podcast, right? Well, then I was like, you know what? I want to listen to Pod Meets World, which is the podcast about Boy Meets World, because that was a show that I grew up with. And it literally started like me and Corey Matthews, the main character, were the same age, 11 years old. That show premiered in 1993, and I don't know why, but that just made me feel really old. I was 11 year old, 11 years old in 1993, growing right up with fucking Corey Matthew Matthews and Topanga and Sean, and yeah, like I would just I've I've been a little nostalgic this week just listening to that on the side. Like they're just breaking down, you know, all the episodes from the pilot. I went back to the pilot.

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I mean, we bask in it every turn that you've just every channel. It's like, holy shit, they're that old now. Everyone. Or then I've I've been going, I've been falling asleep, and it's just like, whoa, I can't believe we watched them grow up. Like they she still had baby teeth. We were talking about some of the things.

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Dakota Fanning, yes. Yeah, we were watching Cat in the Hat with the grandbabies, yeah, and I was like, Dakota Fanning is like 35 years old now, and she still had baby teeth in this movie, right?

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So that that's just wild.

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But I've been going to sleep watching Roseanne, and yeah, ancient history.

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So you're like Tom Arnold's in this one, they were married then. Yep. It's a million years ago.

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A million years ago. With the original Becky.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Yep. I started from episode one on that one too, rewatch. So for me, yeah. What made you feel old this week?

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It was watching TV with you again, and we've seen this 70-year-old woman, and they were like talking about her grandparents, now you're a new grandmother. And I'm like, Oh, fuck that. This woman looks old as shit. So, like, do people that are younger than us look at us and think that we're that old? No, they don't.

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When Pete when I tell people that I am a grandmother, they literally almost fall to the ground. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, what? And he and then when I'm like, well, yeah, I'm like, I'm a young grandma, but I'm still I'm still grandma age. Like, it's it's I mean, I was 18 when I had my first child, and he was 19 when he had his first child. So yeah. We were teen parents, but we were adult teen parents. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, but I mean But it's still your genes are way better than mine. Like, I do look old. Come on. They look at me like, ugh, you do look like a grandpa. I think I look like a grandpa.

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I have to tell you a secret. I'm gonna tell it on the pod. When I was about, I want to say 38, one of our friends that we don't really hang with anymore, they thought that I was older than you. And do you know though, that that kicked my ass into gear, into like eating it better, exercising more, making sure I do my skincare routine, not going to sleep with makeup on anymore. Because y'all, I was still going to sleep with makeup on at 38 because I worked nights and I would just come home and just fall asleep. Well, we closed later back then. And I was going to the gym after work at that time because I had our Silas was what, two or three? Four? Oh, yeah.

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You were doing that extra. Yeah.

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So I couldn't go do anything. But I was told that. But one of our mutual one of one of our friends that we don't hang out with anymore, and they thought that I was older than you. And I was like, Are you fucking kidding me? Like that hurt my heart. And so, but you know what?

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Did I have short facial hair then? Because I look 12 if I shave this off.

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I don't know, but uh no, you still had I mean 38, that was six years ago.

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No, yeah. I had the the beard thing kicking still. Yeah. Wow.

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And I was also drinking like more sugary alcohol drinks back then too, which can age you a little more as well. Like I was drinking wine or whatever we found in the pantry and just mixed together. But yeah, so sometimes what you're consuming can make you look older, and sometimes what you're thinking isn't really what is true. I know. Well, I mean, for somebody that is younger than me, that looks older than me, to tell me that I looked older than you, I was like, God damn, you know? Yeah, I need to take care of myself, I need to do some self-care, and I've been making sure I do it. What you mean?

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You've always you're top 10, dude. I'm telling you, you're always amazing. You're always looking so fabulous all the time.

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Thank you.

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I roll over and I'm still like, damn. In the morning, still.

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Oh, thank you.

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Yeah, this is my jam. That's what I'm talking about.

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We are stalling because we got fucking. Where's my script just? I just I'm hiding it from you because I don't want to talk about it. I want to talk about it.

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I was like it was here. Talking about number one, oh my.

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Are you ready for part two?

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And if you haven't heard part one, stop here and go back.

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Yeah, stop, go back. We'll we'll be right here waiting.

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Leave some reviews.

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We'll be right here waiting.

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Because I've been dreading this all week long.

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But you were also last night was like, I'm excited.

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Is that fucked up? Yeah, yeah, it is. It is fucked up.

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Uh, okay.

Pickton Farm Parties Turn Threatening

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In the 80s, down at the Pictin farm, there were a lot of parties almost every single night, right? And Dave had a couple of long-term relationships that didn't work out, and he ended up having a couple of kids. Two more women were always seen at the farm for a while. One who Dave was in a relationship with, and her name was Kathy Weinberg, and she had two kids, and there was another one who was just a friend named Karen Kaufman. Well, there was one night when Dave brought them both down to Willie's room. Remember how said in last episode he didn't like that shit. And if you looked at our Instagram, I showed you, but that horse head was insane. Did you see it?

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The whole yard, everything was just whoa. I know.

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It gave it it gives you a yeah, a so they go down to Willie's room, and Willie lost his fucking shit and told Dave that if he ever did that again, he would kill both of those women. Like, not Dave, who brought him down to come make fun of him.

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Right. Just all out seriousness. If you get in this fucking spot, I'm gonna take you out.

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And later on that night, they were like all eating dinner, and Willie just throws a glass of milk in Karen's face. And Karen didn't hang around the Picton Farm no more.

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Ooh.

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So I was trying to sing that in the Maggie's farm. I don't know if that delivered, but yeah, that's why I was singing it. It did. But yeah, she was like, you know what? Fuck all y'all. I'm out, I'm out, okay. Then Willie actually meets a friend. This woman he had actually met several years before when they were kids at the Pictons old farm. And her name was Lisa Yelts. Lisa had been buying meat with her grandparents, and when she was younger, Willie gave her a free bag of hot dogs. It's like, here you go. Nice, here's your bag of winas. Well, they were, you know, he was a kid too, just working in his parents' store. And now as adults, they meet again and they become best friends. I don't know how anybody could be friends with somebody so stinky, but you know what? I'm trying not to judge. Now, Lisa's son, she was actually hanging out with Dave's son, and um she called to look for him one night, and Willie answered the phone, and that's how all that got started. So Lisa ends up working at the farm and she tries to keep Willie clean. And I don't mean off drugs, like actually, like go take a bath, bitch. Okay. And she would try to keep him organized and he would actually listen to her. Lisa later on, she would say that she was never afraid of Willie. But he did remind her of Ed Gean, and he thought that he could be a serial killer. Like, I don't do have you ever had a friend that you thought could be a serial killer?

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But you like in in just regular casual conversation, you're just like, oh yeah, he reminds me of Ed Gean. Is that yeah? Ah. Or is this after the fact? This is after the fact. Oh.

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But have you ever had a friend? I need to know this because I have not. Have you ever had a friend that you thought could be a serial killer?

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No, nothing that I kept around. I mean, creep bags, yes, but we've we've ousted those as well, you know? If it was just like super creepy, but not serious. I mean, no, no serial killer vibes around me that I've noticed.

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Now I've had some crazy bitch friends, you know what I mean? Like that would go, they would stalk a guy, they would beat a bitch's ass, but no serial killer vibes. Okay, so that's just something that I don't think that should you should never think that your friend could be a serial killer.

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Yeah. You know what I mean? No, they're not they're not allowed in the circle.

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Yeah, and not that desperate for people. No, no, no.

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If you don't make the cut, you don't make the cut. Like, that's just all there is to it. Now, Dave, he didn't really like Lisa, and he would call her a loser often. Like he would be like, hey, loser, you know? Yeah. Was mean as fuck to Lisa. This is Dave. Dave's an asshole. Now, and I'm not sure when it started, but the Picton boys would start having cock fights on Sundays. And this was a huge event. You had to pay admissions, of course, place your bets, and there would be barbecue and beer for sale, and of course, lots of drugs. And a lot, this was a lot of the Asian or um, more specifically, the Vietnamese mafia that was involved. And I didn't even know that was a thing. Researching this case, I'm and I'm gonna go ahead and plug my re uh my resource right now. It's called On the Farm by Stevie Cameron. It's one of the best books and most detailed, other than uh the ones written about Jim Jones and Jonestown. This is one of the most detailed-oriented books that I have listed. Like I'm like on the edge of my seat.

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Completely captivated.

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Even though I know the whole fucking story.

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That's wild.

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But she goes on to she really took it peak journalism.

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Go get that book. That's amazing. When somebody gives you that much information and it's captivating too. Right.

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I mean, so I'm listening on audiobook, of course. It's a 25-hour audiobook. I'm only halfway through. Um and I'm this I'm on part two, and I'm only halfway through.

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You know, the cock fights down here, I don't think they were mafia related though. But they did tie like knives and shit to the chicken's feet. That shit's not.

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I've never understood a cock fight. I've never understood that. What's the point? I've never understood any kind of animal fighting. I don't like it. No, I don't like it.

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Dog fight all of it straight to jail.

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All of you. Fuck off. Every single one of you.

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No, but if they mean if dudes want to square up in a cul-de-sac out here and bare. Human fighting, do it. You made your choice, but don't use animals.

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Don't use animals. They did not ask for that. They did not give their consent or permission, period.

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Bare knuckle fighting is just like it's what, like a minute max. Somebody's knocked out by then. It's crazy.

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Well, with all the sex workers in and out of the farm that like everybody noticed, there were also rumors of snuff films being made by the Picton boys, like through both of them. But I don't know. That was just rumors, okay? Now, at one point, Willie and Dave got into a huge fight. And I mean, they fought all the time, but this fight resulted in Dave kicking Willie out of the house. And Willie, he had money. These people have fucking money. It that makes no sense to me. Willie slept on a mattress on top of a freezer in the barn for months.

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Wait a minute. You just said a mattress on a freezer?

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A mattress on a freezer.

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Oh my god.

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Right.

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Wait a minute. Oh, this is gonna be Lindsay.

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And then they made up, and Dave got Willie a motorhome, and he would either keep it on the property or drive it to various job sites for Dave's demolition business. He would also drive it down to East Hastings Street, where there was a bar, a hotel called the Astoria that had a lot of sex workers uh that would they would work there and live at that bar hotel. There was another one, I rem I forgot the street. Oh, oh there was another one, they literally called it the Hoden. And it was like these, the people that live there, they had to, I didn't put this in my notes because it's completely off the dome. They had to pay the owners the rent, and they were required to set to go do sex work as part of their living arrangements. Wow, indentured servants kind of pretty much, yeah, because they knew that they were addicts and they knew that they were going to need to feed their addiction. So, and they also made sure that the amount because most of these people were on some kind of welfare, they made sure the rent was exactly the amount of the welfare check.

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Never got ahead, never got ahead. So they had to see a lot of those type movies in in history too. Like I'm taking another sip.

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I'm probably gonna be drunk by the end of this one.

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You should be. Last time she got sloth, we're day drinking today.

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We're day drinking today because we gotta be so melee.

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So grubby to support that lifestyle, and then it's just like it's a the fucking place was called the Hoden.

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Like, fuck off.

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Well, it just keeps people into that mentality and mindset and all. So there's a lot of awareness that I mean it it has changed in certain areas in society, but a lot of it is still very rampant, and it it stems off everything we're talking about.

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I want to say it was on Vernon Street. I want to, but I'll I'll I'll I'll have that for sure next time. Oh, and the Casanova guy that I was telling talking about, his name was Dave Casanova, and he was Willie's butcher friend, and he will later be uh not considered, but like rumored to be an accomplice. So yeah. Dave Casanova's gonna come up one more time next month.

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Yeah, from our previous episode. Yeah, and I was uh I was distraught after what you dumped on me, and now you're starting to dump more.

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Oh, it's oh honey. Oh, God. So at the Astoria, he would buy everyone drinks and of course pay for the company of women and support their drug habits by 1989. So

Missing Women And Police Inaction

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many sex workers had gone missing that the working girls would start their own teamwork because the police weren't doing anything about it. They had okay, so they it seems like this is what I have gathered from my research. It seems like there were some that were concerned and wanted to investigate, like some of the police department, but the more higher-ups kept shooting down the investigation.

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Oh, they were on the take, probably.

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So, like they had this initial um task force called Project Amelia to look into it. But like I said, the higher ups weren't giving a fuck because they considered these women less than because of their, they had what is what they called a higher rate. Risk lifestyle.

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Yeah, and they thought that they were just throwaway people.

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Exactly.

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Fuck that.

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So the girls, they start like a buddy system and they write down license plates and they remember the names of Johns because you know a lot of times they don't. They don't get their names. Or even if they do get a name, it's probably not the real one. And they made um a bad date list. And of course, Willie Picton was on that list. Now, two reporters, uh, police reporters for the Vancouver Sun, they would interview the families of these missing women and print them to put more pressure on the police. But it it takes a long time.

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It takes a long time.

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I'm just gonna put that here right now. In 1991, there was a Valentine's Day walk in remembrance and recognition of the missing women. And most of them had been indigenous at this point. Okay now, another point in Willie's direction was one of the employees from the rendering plant said that he started noticing meat in Willie's buckets. Now, if you don't from the last episode, we said a rendering plant that's mostly the bones, the leftover part.

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The stuff you can't process.

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You don't see actual meat in these. And this guy said that the meat that was in these buckets was black. Like the meat itself, not like a person of color, but the meat had turned black. But everybody was fucking scared of the Pictons. It's crazy. Now, David fucking Francis Picton. Yeah, I forgot to mention his middle name last time. France. David Francis. I'm named as Francis man. He gets a sexual assault, assault charge pinned on him, to which he just gets a slap on the wrist. And like I said, it's crazy because even though these men are gross, they got money and they're popular. And it's said that off-duty cops were partying with them on the farm, and Dave had all these businesses. So it's really no wonder why. You know, it's a good old boy type shit. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So Dave's just out here getting away with shit. Willie's doing all kinds of shit that nobody's looking into.

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And Johnny Law is on the take. Yeah. Or the the Mountie or whoever it is. Uh yeah, the mounty.

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The Royal Crown Mounted Pulleys.

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Yeah. On the take.

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Yeah.

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Because they didn't give a shit about the women that were just trying to survive.

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Right. Now, throughout the 90s, more and more women are coming up missing. And another task force does form. And this one is called Project Even Handed. But progress and investigation was slow as fuck. Like they're just literally dragging their feet. Like they're putting, like, I don't even know if it's the required amount of effort putting into it because I'm gonna give y'all a list here in a minute.

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Well, it's baby steps to try to keep everything under the wraps. They didn't want anything to get blown out of the cover, I think.

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I just don't think they cared. I don't think that the police cared about these women. There was a few. There's a few that Stevie Cameron mentions in her book that really did care. But as a whole, nobody really gave a fuck.

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Right. I mean, just enough though to have a press conference every once in a while. That's what I'm saying.

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When I tell you next week what actually brings Willie down later on, it has nothing to do with the women. And it's really disheartening. But okay, so we're gonna we're gonna move forward. Now Willie

Piggy’s Palace And Louder Rumors

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and Dave, they end up opening up a bar called Piggy's Palace. Oh shit. And it was registered as a charity organization called Piggy's Palace Good Time Society. And the party is on. They were public and loud. Yes, they were very public and very loud.

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There's the point of interest that could come out now, huh?

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Well, they would have enormous parties with live performers, and these were all under the guise of raising money for other organizations. You know, for that tax break, they were listed as a charity. And it's even rumored, Jesse, that a young Nickelback performs at Piggy Palace. Ooh. Yeah. Dang. It's rumored. I can't. I've heard that in several resources, but they did have a lot of live performers. That is a Canadian band.

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And they all just want to be big rock stars. Yeah. That's what they want to do.

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I mean, they wouldn't have known.

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They got paid. Fucking.

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Absolutely not. I just thought that that was funny.

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If you did it, nickelback, let us know. We want to know for sure. They'll let us know.

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They will. Oh, Chad. Yeah, he's gonna holler at us. Chad will hit uh email. Holler at you boy! Email us at drinkaboutsomethingpod at gmail.com. Okay. Yeah. And as the 90s went on, Willie was no longer just a quiet weirdo anymore. You know, now he was more scary. And the farm became louder and a whole lot more smelly as the years went by. Neighbors were complaining that Willie was running loud equipment long into the night, and the smell from the farm was seeping into their houses. Ooh. Yeah. So they're complaining. I mean, it's like I could not imagine. Well, I mean, I can because I grew up on a stinky farm, but ours was stinky for different reasons. Ours was stinky from chicken fertilizer and cow poop. This was this is a whole different stink.

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I'm watching you just roll it, dude. Roll it.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

That's a whole different stink. Ah, there's a whole lot of fuck that's uh you're gonna you're gonna tell me. Now, Willie, he actually gains two more female friends. So Lisa, Lisa Yelds after a while, she moved on from the area, and Willie became friends with a woman named Gina Houston and another woman named Dina Taylor. These women would work on the farm. Well, they would do some work and they they were basically using Willie for money because I think by this time he has now come into that inheritance. Now, Gina, she actually told people she was engaged to Willie at one point and called herself Gina Picton.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

How do you find love in all this? How do you find she was looking for love in all the wrong places?

SPEAKER_01 28:56

I wouldn't want to hang around here even if the parties were that badass. I wouldn't want to be there. Check this out. What these women would do, they would be in the vehicle when Willie would go and pick up sex workers. So instead of him just getting a quickie in the truck, the sex workers would come back to the farm with him because these women in the vehicle with him made them more comfortable. And that just makes this makes me so fucking sad. Like it really does. Like they trusted the women. They're like, oh, there's women here. It's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay for me to go back to this farm and party. And he's paying for other drug habits, and it was like heroin, crack, I mean, all the things, all the things that you can fucking imagine that they were, you know, they were partying together.

SPEAKER_03 29:42

And they thought they hit gold. They were like, I don't give a damn about the smell or whatever this creep bag is doing. I'm here to do what I'm addicted to.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Right. Well, some of those sex workers would never be seen again. And now Gina and Dinah were also added to the bad date list because they were basically Willie's henchmen.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

Yeah, part of the bait. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Right. Now, I don't know. I haven't I haven't finished. I haven't got on to part three. I don't think they knew what Willie was doing, but I haven't got there yet. So we'll we'll find out in part three, okay?

SPEAKER_03 30:20

God, it's a huge machine of nasty debacley. And I don't even know yet.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Here's where it's about to get okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:31

Yeah.

Survivors Describe Violence Up Close

SPEAKER_03 30:32

So what that signal is up. It is up in the air right now, flashing. No, the Batman's not coming.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

One night, uh, Willie picked up a woman named Tracy Bain from the Astoria Hotel, and he took her back to the farm. Now she will later say, so she survived, okay? She will later say that Willie's trailer was absolutely disgusting. And she said she refused to go past his kitchen. So they made their transactional exchange in the kitchen. And then Willie pulled a knife on her and accused her of stealing his wallet and cut two buttons off of her shirt. She's trying to run, she's trying to get the fuck out. And she said he then he just like turned nice again and said, It's all good. I'll drive you back. And on the way back, he tells her that he liked to help working girls get off drugs. You know, and what's crazy is like all these parties and everything that he and Dave are having, will they don't drink and they don't do drugs. There were very few times that they would get really shitty drunk, but they didn't do drugs. It's weird, but they like to hang out with people who did. I don't know if that was like a control thing. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 31:47

Yeah, they're addicted to the whole social thing and then the whole salad of the growing up.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

At the same time, they get these people to work for them. You're like, you work today, I'll pay for your habit later, you know, type thing. That's what I'm thinking. Because they've got the clarity to see.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

Yeah, I'm just trying to analyze it right now, too. I'm I'm I'm I know.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

I'm I'm just thinking, I'm like, it is nasty. Because I mean, if you're not a person that participates in that, it's just weird for you to hang around people who do.

unknown 32:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

You know what I mean? Because that usually addicts, you know, you tend to hang together and not a lot of non-addicts. I don't know. It's just a weird thing.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

But they were in control too. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. They were addicted to that as well.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

And then he tells Tracy on this drive back, and he's taking her back down to the low tracks, that if they slip up once, they don't deserve to live. He tells that to Tracy.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

I'm giving you life. I control you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Now, when a woman named Kara Ellis disappeared, she had been living in what I said earlier, uh, was at the Ho Den, okay? And she had a friend who was trying to help her get clean. And her family reported her missing right away. And the missing persons report, it wasn't treated as important at all. But her friend and her family knew that she was trying to get clean. So we'll come back to her pretty much next episode, okay? So now another sex worker that was um she's named, but there was like a publication ban on it, so I'm not gonna say it. She was down on her luck, and she was picked up by Willie and goes back to the farm with him, and she notices plastic sheeting in Willie's room, like Dexter type shit, okay? So she panicked and she asked to use Willie's phone to call her boyfriend, and her boyfriend was basically her pimp, and he was abusive. Like she was just all around, bad situation, okay? And he, yeah, and Willie was like, No, you can't use the phone. But he did let her look up the phone number in the phone book, children gather round back in the day. We had these books, we had these large books, they had addresses in them, addresses and phone numbers, and she was like, All right, I'm gonna look up the phone number so I can call it from a payphone later. And then Willie grabs her from behind and he handcuffs one of her hands, but she starts swinging, like she's fighting for her fucking life. And then Willie, he starts beating the shit out of her right back, okay? Now she remembers when she first got to the trailer where there was a big knife. So she literally lets Willie beat her into the area of where this knife was so she could pull it on him. She grabs the knife and she cuts his cheek and his neck, and then she blacks out, okay? Then she comes to again outside the trailer, and she's still fighting this fucking pig, and he's losing blood as well, and he's like blacking out. Then she realizes that she has also been stabbed in the hand and in the abdomen. Her intestines were hanging out. Oh, whoo, feel a little woozy here. Right. Well, so Willie, he's passing out from blood loss, and she gets the knife away from him and makes it to another house. Shit falling out. She makes it to another house and just banging on the door for some help, but nobody comes to. But then this elderly couple drives by and they stop.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

This is a fucking horror movie.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

Yeah. The man saw her in Testants hanging out, so he stops. He gets her in the car, okay? And she tells them that if she does die, there's a man that lives in a trailer on that farm. Like she points towards a Picton farm. He did it. So the couple, they called 911. I'm guessing there might have been so I think there was bag phones around this time, okay? And the ambulance like met them. And the sex worker tells the police that she had also stabbed her almost killer. And she now she had to have emergency surgery because, like I said, her intestines are hanging out, but also her lung has been punctured. Wow. Yeah. Now, guess who is admitted into the same hospital that very night? Oh, the room next door. Willie fucking Picton. And he ended up having to have 150 stitches. And some of his teeth got knocked out. And what's crazy is as nasty as he was, Willie loved his teeth. And in fact, it was the only hygiene that he practiced was oral hygiene. It was all that he cared about. That was the only hygiene. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 37:03

So I smell like shit, but I got a nice mile.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

Right. I mean, I posted pictures. Follow us. Drink about something uh at Instagram, okay? It just so happened that on Willie's person, he happened to have the key to the handcuff that was still on the sex worker's wrist.

SPEAKER_03 37:24

Wow. So now that we're blowed out, here we are, right? No? You're looking at me. No, what? Come on now. I have a part three, Jessica. Oh, goddamn. Yeah. Damn it. But okay, but this is awareness, right? This is like it's documented everything. Uh uh.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

So Willie, his story was, because she was a sex worker, Willie said that some druggie bitch had just stabbed him, and she tried to demand $200 from him and attacked him. So he was let go. Oh man. In the room next door. Now Dave calls Lisa Yelds, the friend, his best friend who had moved away, who actually Dave hated. Dave calls Lisa to come help. To come help clean up all the blood in his house and to take care of Willie while he's down with all these stitches, right? And Willie was begging Lisa to find out the name of the girl so that he could quote take care of her. But Lisa did not do that. Now Willie would be charged with attempted murder. But because of who this woman was and her way of life, the charges were dropped.

SPEAKER_03 38:41

Again.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Fuck. And more women would continue to go missing in years to come. And this incident happened in 1997, by the way.

Reading The Names We Know

SPEAKER_01 38:55

And I'm going to list, I'm going to show Jesse the list real quick of missing women that's going to happen.

SPEAKER_03 39:03

So we're going to take a moment here, right? Right.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

But I'm going to just name the ones. Lindsay, you're going to name the case. I'm going to name the ones up to 1997, okay?

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:15

Okay, this is chronological order. 1991, Nancy Clark. Jane Doe in 1995. Also in 1999, uh December 27th, 1995 was Deanna Melnick. On October 29th, 1996, we have Tanya Holyoke. I want to say so it's H-O-L-Y-K. January 1997, Stephanie Lane and Kara Louise Ellis. June 15th, 1997, Helen May Hallmark. August 13th, 1997, Jacqueline Murdoch. August 1997, Andrea Faye. Oh, reading these names. Oh, give me a second. Okay. Andrea Fay Boerhaven. August 29th, 1997, Marnie Lee Frey. November 26th, 1997, Cynthia Filex. I want to say it's like that. It's F-E-L-I-K-S. And that is where we're going to leave off for today because I'm going to cry.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

I am over here. And I have a no.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

This is I'm showing Jesse the list.

SPEAKER_03 40:40

We're burning sage during this.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

Yes. Yeah. We should do it outside. We should do it outside, Jesse, and just let the sage burn.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

While we're riding on my table, my circle of friends.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

Okay. Oh, okay, okay. That hit me really hard. Just reading the names. Like I wrote them down, but reading them.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

That's where it hits hard, didn't it? It really does hit hard. When you really put all this together and there's just so much. And people that do this shit.

SPEAKER_01 41:07

Fuck. And this is far from over. And even though what just happened, the story that this woman almost died, it should have been the end. But almost this was almost just the beginning.

SPEAKER_03 41:20

It's gaining steam now.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

It's going to gain a lot. I just showed you the list. Yeah. You guys don't see it, but it's very long. And um, so yeah, we're gonna end there for today. And I'm not gonna cry because Jesse is gonna plug an amazing band, and I'm gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

So

Band Feature Dr. Fubbs

SPEAKER_03 41:41

it is band time.

SPEAKER_01 41:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

Time to feature another amazing artist, and I'm happy. I'm I'm just so fortunate and blessed. We had to take a moment right there, though. We did.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

We did it. We took a break and we cried for a minute.

SPEAKER_03 41:55

Yeah, we really did. I just I had to, I mean, you really put it together. I mean, I am fucking horrified right now. So big. This is huge, huge. But I got a cool band, y'all. Let's just cleanse the palette. Let's reset a little bit. I got Dr. Fubbs over here. This song is called Nobody. Dr. Lone.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

That is a cool name.

SPEAKER_03 42:20

Yeah, it's so cool. Let's jam it.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

Smackheads don't look bad at crackheads. Things you think about when you rack it. See it long and ramble. That's how many catholes been in a manhole gave it a thought. I'm afraid to get caught. Let's fix them a cop because my clutch is trunk. Telling me old Nintendo, I'm afraid to a fight like the graphics, mess microphones. Airwild, air by staying out. Assume relaxed positions in real time lagoons, prepare to beat mind. Come into my colonized mind on the sea line with qi, my Kung Fuji just fine. So real that you'll be moving your hand away. So real that I could watch it on anime from Vegas to Santa Fe. A Black bill with camera. rays. Dr. Manhattan. Better stand away. I'm a sacred space, transcending time and space. Lead you on the chase for your tangible taste. Bad breath with toothpaste. Knock the taste off your washmosh. For meeting Joe, Roland Josh, or I be the Bosh. I'm the black and posh. Vaporwave, venture Macintosh. Vec Troid said, gosh, gosh. You can screw Diana Ross if I banking boss. The salad gets toss, fishy smell, tartar sauce. Better call the Red Cross. Black dicks and white thoughts. And I'm waiting to do the Folks right back at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_01 45:13

And what do we think about that one? Loved it. So I just looked him up on Instagram. So he's Dr. underscore Fubs on Instagram. He's with Death Row Records. And guess who follows him? Other than you.

SPEAKER_02 45:27

I mean, well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

Um, DJ Roller, who we've featured on here, and Teddy Swims. Both them. Teddy Swims followed him. Yeah, that's really fucking cool. So in his bio, he says, stop debating and start creating. And that he is a composer, a musician, and an artist. So make sure you go and follow Dr. Fubbs on Instagram and guess who else you need to follow if you don't already.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

Us.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

Us. Yeah. Absolutely. So we're Drink About Something on Instagram. Uh, if you want to send us an email, like if you have a story to share, if you have a case that may not be on our list that you think we should move to the top, hit us up at drinkabout something pod at gmail.com. Our main website is drinkaboutsomething.sight. Where are we at on YouTube, Justin?

SPEAKER_03 46:16

Just type in Gen Z, J-E-N-D-S-E-Y. And that song actually was featured uh it had Pan Amsterdam on it too. Oh that's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Yeah, I didn't go to Spotify too.

SPEAKER_03 46:26

I reach out to and we don't make any money doing this. So if they give us permission, whatever. I am loving finding all this amazing music and sharing it. So nobody may have heard that, right? But nobody wants to be alone.

SPEAKER_01 46:40

Nobody wants to be alone.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

And these guys deserve to be heard.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

Loving it. Lindsay, your story. I fucking

Horror Talk Holiday Decor Farewell

SPEAKER_03 46:49

hate you.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

We got one more part. One more part to close out our Willie Picton chapter. Um like I said, those of you guys who have been with us for a while, I did tell you that season three is going to be rough.

SPEAKER_03 47:02

Do check out their whole catalog, though. Dr. Foggs' catalog is a good thing. I didn't know they were on a record label. I just hit them up and he's like, Yeah, sure, play yourself. You know, I'm like, fuck yeah, dude. Don't we have to line it up? Didn't we feature somebody else from Death Row? Probably. And I didn't even yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

DJ Roller.

SPEAKER_03 47:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Duh. That's right. Yes. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

Yeah, there's been some, and we're not trying to get into some crazy contractual whatever, but we don't make any money doing this.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:30

Yeah. Yeah. I guess if that everything is a good idea. If we ever do, we would have to restructure.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Yeah, we would have to restructure. But as for now, our vision was I wanted to tell my husband the T on shit that I hear about every week. And now it has actually brought a lot more awareness to myself researching these cases. I am supporting authors of amazing. Like, I cannot stress to you enough how great this book is. I mean, it's horrible, but it's great. Like the journalism is impressive.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

As a true crime enthusiast, it's perfect.

SPEAKER_01 48:06

It's perfect. It's great.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

And I am not a true crime enthusiast, by the way. I'm just riding this fucking wave with my wife. I love this conversation. I love this awareness.

SPEAKER_01 48:17

You're a horror fan. And Jesse needed a.

SPEAKER_03 48:20

always tie a movie into this 'cause this is would be a fucked up movie. Did they make a movie after this? They didn't.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

It was shit. Somebody needs to really make a movie about this or a series because the series is where it's at right now.

SPEAKER_03 48:34

We need a huge caliber bracket. Somebody's gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

Crystal Lake is fucking insane. Carrie was great. Yeah. We're like, what are we, four episodes in on Crystal Lake right now?

SPEAKER_03 48:43

What's putting out now is just gold. And I I I I'm an old boomer ass staple when I I'm kind of conservative when it comes to movies. I want to keep things and hold on to.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

When he was enthused about Carrie and could wait for the next episode, I was like, okay, I got him. I got him. Because I will watch anything Carrie related. I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_03 49:01

Yeah, but I just don't want to I don't want a fucked up version because we have had fucked up versions, remakes and things.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

I'd just I just like any remake of Carrie.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

No, I'm just saying, no, a pastor. But of other movies, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 49:12

I understand what you're saying there. But as far as Carrie goes, because that's my favorite, she's my girl. I have enjoyed every remake. I enjoyed Carrie part two, and I really enjoyed the series. Mike Flanagan, you did that shit. Good job. Reach out if you want to like sponsor us. Because we're watching your shit. I've been watching your shit for years, all the way back to no, that was Ryan Murphy. I'm thinking of Ryan Murphy shows now. But Mike Flanagan, I've been supporting you too. I was gonna say Niptuck.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Somebody caught it.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

Was Niptuck Mike Flanagan or Ryan Murphy? Help me out. Help me out.

SPEAKER_03 49:45

There's a lot coming out that it's changed into something that's really fucking tasty when it comes into like horror films right now. I'm loving it.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

Absolutely. I'm yeah, because it's like now our Halloween never ends.

SPEAKER_03 49:59

It should not. I told her to leave this shit up, and our room is our living room right now, it's still decorated, and we're gonna leave it up.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

I know.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

I wish I'm just gonna put the Christmas shit in front of it and still leave it up. I swear to God.

SPEAKER_01 50:11

Swear to God, fuck do it, Lancy. I know. He will. He absolutely will. We'll just put some Santa hats on all the pumpkins. We can do that.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

Let's do that and get the black Christmas tree that we've always wanted.

SPEAKER_01 50:24

I know. Literally always wanted. But at the same time I love the way that we do our Christmas tree because most of it is handmade ornaments from all the children. Yeah. And now we need to start collecting them from the grandchildren.

SPEAKER_03 50:35

And they'll go on that black Christmas tree. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Let us know about your uh holiday season and how you decorate.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

Because we literally go for Halloween. Our decor starts uh early September and we don't switch over until um after Thanksgiving to Christmas.

SPEAKER_03 50:51

Send us the picks.

SPEAKER_01 50:52

We want to see send us picks. Um and yeah, so we need you to like, share, subscribe.

SPEAKER_03 51:00

You know, do the things.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

Do yeah the thumbs up. The thumbs up.

SPEAKER_03 51:04

Yeah. All the coolness.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

We enjoy all the time.

SPEAKER_01 51:07

Like I said, it's a hobby right now. We're having a blast, but we would love, you know, to make a little, a little pocket change here and there. I don't know. Get an ad or two.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

I kind of don't want to restructure. We're having fun.

SPEAKER_01 51:16

No, no, no. Yeah, we're having fun and we have our fans and we love you guys so much. And I mean, just to know that our voices are being listened to around the world is really cool. Uh and it blows my mind all the time.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

I think they're number two in our continent.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

Yeah, they're number two when we're and we were just looking at one of their little animals last night, a fairy armadilla. If you guys have not seen a fairy armadilla. Oh my god, I want look it up right now. I want four of them. It's the size of your hand. They have an armadilla shell and they're furry on the bottom, and they have a little scrub brush booty. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:55

Fuck Arumba. Get four of those. Just let them run around your house. They'll clean. I swear to God, they would have to, right?

SPEAKER_01 52:03

It's so cute. So, I mean, and we geeked over them so much that our granddaughter wanted to take home the book that we were reading to her about the different animals and where they were from last night. She took that one home. She was like, I want to take the song because this is your favorite animal now. So cute, yeah. We geeked the fuck out of it.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

They're small, like the size of like a dollar, like your hand, like a dollar bill or something. Yeah. I want four of them. Even if one goes missing.

SPEAKER_01 52:27

You could get a whole fairy armadilla farm. The heat in Florida is close enough to South America. I think they would be okay.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

It'll happen.

SPEAKER_01 52:34

It'll happen.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

Yeah. I'm going to get you one for Christmas.

SPEAKER_01 52:37

Oh my god. And I want a jumping spider now.

SPEAKER_03 52:41

I want four of those fucking. I want four of those. I'm still hanging on.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

I have four armadillas. I want one jumping spider.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

Fuck.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

They're so cute.

SPEAKER_03 52:49

Yeah, you better get two cages for them. Have you seen those? Because I don't want them on my face when I'm asleep, though. No, they don't have cage for certain. The armadillas are crawling around everywhere, though.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

They like to be underground, subterranean. Remember?

SPEAKER_03 53:04

We'll keep our house subterranean. And let them clean it.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

Release the fairy armadillas.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

Oh my god. Jesse, why are you digging a whole bunch of things?

SPEAKER_01 53:14

And we could put little tutus on them too because they're called fairy armadillas and wings. Yes. I'm done.

SPEAKER_03 53:21

I want to put one on a unicorn right now.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Jesse and I are clocking out. We're going to the pet store. Love you bye.

SPEAKER_03 53:25

Yes. We do love you so much. Thank you for all the stuff. Follow us. Share.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

We got one more part. Stay tuned.

SPEAKER_03 53:33

Yes. I'm going to get the hell out of here though, for real. I'm fixing to leave, Lindsay. I'm fixing to walk away.

SPEAKER_01 53:38

I know. We're going to go to the fair tonight.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

Oh, yeah. We got things to do.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

We're just going to, I mean, we don't do shit at the fair, but watch our kids and grandkids ride rice.

SPEAKER_03 53:46

No, we do what old people do. We go and eat.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Well, I don't even want to eat. I want to talk about.

SPEAKER_03 53:50

I really don't. Yeah. I want to do the fair, starve myself, and then get a shitload of Taco Bill. Come back here. Watch some more fucking Crystal Lake. Crystal Lake. Let's do that. It's the plan. Yeah. We love you so much, though.

SPEAKER_01 54:05

We'll see you next Friday. Yes. Bye. Bye.